Stopping Thinking in Meditation is Not the Goal
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- Stopping thinking in meditation or controlling thoughts is not the goal, Rupert explains, when a man asks him if he has many thoughts when he meditates or is he pure awareness. In many traditional spiritual practices, 'thought' is something to be got rid of, to be denied.
In non-duality the approach to thinking is different. This is not a way of discipline, practice, effort, suppression. It's a way of understanding, a way of recognition.
The goal is not getting rid of thoughts or the ego. Nor are we trying to control, still or stop the mind, sometimes referred to as calming the monkey mind. Thoughts come and we have no desire to stop them or change them. The goal is to recognise our true nature and the nature of reality, then to express that understanding in our activity in the world.
A path of discipline, effort or practice would be a path of the separate self. This is a way of understanding that that separate self does not exist - we can't change or discipline what does not exist. There is not awareness and a separate self. There is only awareness or being, plus thoughts and feelings that make it seem as though awareness is limited. Therefore, the separate self is an imaginary limit of awareness. An imaginary limit awareness has of itself.
God's being clothes itself in thoughts and perceiving, but ultimately there are no independent beings or selves. There is only one being, clothed in human or limited experience.
So this is a way of recognising who we are, not disciplining who we are not.
Thinking can be a beautiful tool, a beautiful activity. Our thoughts and feelings and in time our activities and relationships will all change as our understanding changes, but that is a by-product of this understanding, not the goal.
This clip was taken from one of Rupert's in-person retreats at Froyle Park in the UK (14 - 18 January, 2022).
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Can we for a moment admire the utmost truth, innocence and purity in Rupert's answers. He gives away everything in the blink of an eye. Not a trace of manipulation. I'm happy to have come across these purest teachings with such true intentions to disseminate each fragment of truth. Thank you Rupert for being so pure, careful, respectful and humble and for guiding us with such sagacity.
Very Well Said!! And I Totally Agree!!! Thank U Aditi For This Acknowledgement… 🙏🏽
@@artofunk Thank you :)
I came a few days across this wonderful teacher, I think he is a true master !!
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What I have learned from Rupert is that meditation is to stay willingly in this “infinite space” of consciousness in which all thoughts arises and disappear, in which all thoughts are known and out of it all thoughts are made. I don’t need any other teaching than that !
God is the Greatest, I testify that there is no god but God, the most Beautiful and Glorious!
The goal of meditation is to realize and experience God. God-Consciousness is what should be strived to be permanently hold, which is to be 24/7 conscious of God and God's isness and be-ing.
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The questioner clearly meant the form of compulsive thinking that creates all the struggles in one's life and not a formulation of intentions as thoughts, what Rupert was talking about. I have been with Rupert for the last 2 years but times like these it shows, at least for me, that he either hasn't suffered deeply from the former or he has forgotten about it.
Oh interesting. Yes, I was reflecting on this in my own experience recently. How my thoughts used to feel so consuming and tormenting. My experience of thoughts was so different to what ir is now. Like a nightmare.
I was considering recently how our way of approaching these kind of thoughts may have to be a little different. For me, more harmonious thinking came about as a byproduct of finding within myself a sense of safety, and learning that there is nothing wrong with me. Learning to let myself be. Less fixing, picking and prodding. Maybe it's more of a person-based nervous system approach.
Trauma is real until it isn’t. I have benefited from Rupert’s teaching immensely and I have been involved wholeheartedly with Hakomi ( the hakomi education network ) and somatic experience.( Peter Levin’s approach).Non violent communication also makes sense. There were no shortcuts for me. I had to dive deep and understand it all.
This combo has been transformative.
@@deborab4762 What is the best channel or channels on youtube to learn somatic experience? Or do you have to go to Peter Levin's website? Or do you have to see a practitioner in person?
@@ericafrances7110 Did you find this sense of safety within yourself and learning there is nothing wrong with you through meditation practice or did you experience this by consciously deciding to think new thoughts about yourself? Or a mixture of the two?
@@brianlittrell797 I can share my experience. I googled and learned about somatic experience , read articles and books and I worked with a certified practitioner.
Also googling the Hakomi educational network site there are several therapists who have also studied somatic experience.
I did everything online and it has worked for me very well.
I am so happy for having more time now to listen to Rupert. He is such a beautiful example of the recognition of our true nature. Thank you!
I have to point out that Zen meditation is also the direct path. The short introduction was, imagine you are the mountain and the passing clouds are the thoughts. So when sitting and noticing that you are flying with the clouds through breath or sensing into the body or concentrating on the wall before me or the sounds you notice the eternal moment. The mind chatter becomes more quiet and the final outcome is that you are the mountain who does not have to get involved with clouds. You are more and more in control of what thoughts to follow or not. It is effortless and direct approach. If it takes long for people then only because what has been described here is to apply artificial discipline and whatever the mind's approach is to obscure the real seeing. The introduction has not been understood. Simple. Thank you Rupert, love your pointings as to me it is the same than Zen.
Liberation is the DESTRUCTION of mind and the world. zen and nonduality don't go there and are watered-down versions of the true path of Liberation
@@Nonconceptuality then I am wondering why my mind stopped totally in one Zen session? ...and my Zen master witnessing the change later on whispering into my ear "it is all an illusion" :-) no joke
Good observation, I don’t see any difference between what he is saying and what zen is saying!
I wish more yoga teachers would take a leaf out of Rupert's book. Yoga āsana practice should also be more about introspection and self-discovery, but so many yoga "teachers" incessantly tell practioners what to feel, what to think... Reams of physical checks and cues to the point where there's no space for the physical meditation that yoga āsana practice can be
My very dear Rupert; thank you for such rare and simple way of understanding your knowledge , I appreciate everyone of your lectures and everyone of them are so refreshing, I have listened and read and study some of the well known teachers none spoke as clear as you.
Thank you
Thoughts are fine, it's rumination that should be eliminated.
Spent two years in an ashram, complete with guru and about 12 permanent live in followers......since leaving it 14 years ago, my real journey of discovery began and continues... Rupert's words are experienced as congruent to, and inclusive of that journey...great clarity and authenticity emanating from Rupert.....
Rupert is great teacher.
Dear Robert, I’ve only just come across your videos and talks on TH-cam having enjoyed many hours in the company of teachers such as Tolle, Watts, Moodie and others and I just want to thank you for taking a simple and direct approach in your choice of speech.
I get the impression that many who consider themselves to be a spiritual guide have a habit of using quite embellished language that while lyrical can create a barrier to anyone who doesn’t consider themselves of a ‘spiritual bent’.
Jargon that keeps the uninitiated outside.
These ideas and teachings are so important and it’s sad to reflect that it may well be the majority who would benefit more so even than those already attuned to seek such wisdom, and that is why plain language is so important.
So thank you and I shall certainly be tuning in for more.
On the question of 'stopping thinking during meditation' I have come to feel that most goals or striving are counter productive to learning to simply 'be', and that indeed without thoughts arising quite naturally when we are trying to place our attention at a single place it is these interruptions that afford us the opportunity to witness our thoughts as 'other' and therefore achieve some freedom from their lure.
I used to feel quite frustrated when my mind wandered until this actual benefit dawned and became an opportunity to feel grateful instead of angry.
Beautiful statement: "WE ARE BEINGS CLOTHED IN HUMAN EXPERIENCE---The SEPARATE SELF/EGO is the INFINITE BEING CLOTHED in the LIMITED HUMAN EXPERIENCE"!!!!! Focus on the values of the INFINITE BEING, not the LIMITED, CORRUPT HUMAN!!!!
I believe Rupert said "We are Being clothed in human experience." NOT beings (plural). Unless I heard Rupert wrong. I think he was referring to the One Consciousness expressing as many different things. That One Consciousness is sometimes described as Being. Not that your statement is wrong since Being is expressing Itself as an infinite number of beings. And each of those beings is choosing to experience what it is like to be human.
I like your statement of focus on the values of The Infinite Being. Those would be love, honesty, truthfulness, transparency, integrity, forgiveness, non-judgementalness, friendliness, kindness, affection, appreciation, compassion, gentleness, strength, joy, gratitude, freedom, creativity, passion, peace, harmony, balance, respect, reverence and more.
@@brianlittrell797 I'd even add: Being clothed in human experiences (plural), as we are the many ways by which God / Truth / Reality expresses Himself / Itself in this dimension.
@@Misslotusification That's true. God is choosing to express in an infinite number of different ways. An infinite variety of forms. I love the part in Conversations with God when God says to Neale something like: "I will always choose to return to my Original Form, all else is a fiction."
@@aedadlan5134 Saying God is the greatest doesn't mean much given that God is the only one. It's not like God has any competition. Only Itself exists.
@@aedadlan5134 I don't think that's a paradox my friend.
God bless you Rupert 🙏🏻 , your words are always felt from that place of a knowing that seems to have its own lil corner . I do do my best to go there often . ♥️🙏🏻
Nice and clear as usual
So good. So direct and truthful. We are blessed to have a Soul like Rupert comminicating Divine knowledge to us in simple easy terms. Saves years of frustration of the spiritual path.
Hmmm...Robert Adams says stop thinking but don't try to get rid of them but become the witness of the thoughts...all teachers have different approaches etc...but he clearly says stop thinking and be free...
Thank you Rupert
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*Always love ruperts talks, so much truth and insight. We should all contribute to a more peaceful world and i think meditation is one of the best ways to achieve that. Much love from Switzerland:)*
Greetings Switzerland...
Much love to you from Sweden! ;)
Much love from Hungary :-)
intention. Some folk "meditate" on evil.
Fellow Swiss Rupert Spira listener! Where are you from in Switzerland?
Crystal clarity.
Get rid of the ‘I-thought’. So long as ‘I’ is alive, there is grief. When ‘I’ ceases to exist, there is no grief. Consider the state of sleep -Ramana Maharshi
The degree of the absence of thoughts is the measure of your progress towards Self-realization. But Self-realization itself does not admit of progress, it is ever the same. The Self remains always in realization. The obstacles are thoughts. Progress is measured by the degree of removal of the obstacles to understanding that the Self is always realized. So thoughts must be checked by seeking to whom they arise. So you go to their source, where they do not arise. -Ramana Maharshi
Though Rupert means well and also explains it simply, however, to say that getting rid of thought is unnecessary is incorrect and does not lead to true realization. Thoughts conceal your nature, they tie you to thinking that you are an individual connected to a body. Even if you can recognize that you are Consciousness but still have thought appearing to you you are only going half-way. This becomes only conceptual and does not change your state of being, as you are still thinking that you are Consciousness. Instead of of thinking I'am this body, you are thinking I'am consciousness. Consciousness is being, it does not think, thinking is the mind or Ego. The Ego is now just playing another game of identity, it is another mask that John smith wears. This Ego or I is built of thoughts, and the only way to get rid of it is by getting rid of thoughts.
In Self-enquiry you do not need to forcefully get rid of thoughts as the practice is to get rid of the thinker by focusing on the I or awareness. You attention or concentration should be placed on Awareness, doing so helps stop thoughts from rising. Though at the beginning thoughts will rise, but as you practice, thoughts will become less and less in which they will stop all together. Once thoughts ceases and you no longer have to concentrate in which the no-thought state becomes as natural as breathing, your true nature will shine through as being-Consciousness. You will know this is your true nature as it's obvious. It is even obvious now, but it is the thinking apparatus that makes you believe otherwise and this belief makes you feel that you are this entity inside a body looking out at the world, instead of being consciousness with the body and world inside of it. I understand that Rupert says that his approach is different than that of traditional Advaita, and that there is no need to get rid of thoughts or the Ego as they are an illusion., but this practice is conceptual only, and will only take you half-way. Recognizing you are Awareness is a part of the practice, but the other part is to sink the mind into awareness in which all thoughts cease. When one can relax in a state of no-thought or no mental activity, then this is true silence and bliss. You do this all the time in deep sleep, only that you are not aware of it. Do it in waking and you will see.
Wow your comment was really thought provoking. Can you tell if I am doing this right
So I when meditating I think of what Im seeing(eyes closed or open) as just a screen which Im aware of, The screen exists inside me and it is present because I'm aware of the senses, and think of thoughts arising as the mind . So I take thoughts as something that arises in the mind and ends in it and myself as observing all of the process.
But Im afraid that this might just be me thinking or imagining this and not really being at a distance from the mind and body.
Can you suggest if this is the right approach or not.
I've also tried doing the who is observing the ' I ' thing during meditation but it just turns into an intellectual exercise where I'm trying to find something. And one of Ramana Maharishi's quote said to find 'who you are' rather than where you are.
I disagree. The ego or self is like a dragon. You can try to kill it(which you never will) or you can tame it. Without thought at all you would be like an animal relying solely on instinct. Thought is a tool and was meant to be useful or we wouldn’t have it in the first place. Without thought you could not design, build, communicate, plan for the future, write, or function as a human being. Also, you would be easy to control by people in power who are seeking to create submissive thoughtless zombies. The predatory type would love pushing the idea of “don’t think”.
@@skyre2039 Don’t worry about observe thoughts, or figuring out who or what is looking or is observing. You are always The Self. You are the I, however the I mistakes itself for the process of thinking. Just hold onto your sense of I, if you have thoughts, and need to direct your attention back at the I, just say I, or who am I. These questions aren’t for you to find yourself, but it is to help get rid of the thinker by focusing attention on I instead of thoughts. This and being still is all that is needed, the rest is up to grace.
@@danielnicholson25 Of course it would appear to be that way if you were always looking from within the box. Thoughts are necessary for one’s who need them, if you can see beyond them you will find that they aren’t necessary.
@@ananda224did you think to type that? If so, then thought is necessary. Perhaps, not discursive thought, but thought in general to live is not bad
Thank you ❤️
I love thinking. Balance in many instances is required through a mediation of intuition and a preferred approach.
I love Rupert and his teachings, and have been to several of his retreats. It is my experience, however, that he takes an intellectual approach to the nondual understanding; which I've come to view as of limited benefit (personally speaking). There is a place to investigate the human experience, which for most of us is deeply rooted in non-productive thinking. As I've delved deeper into the nondual teachings, I've gotten tremendous benefit from the teachings that help you see that you are indeed NOT your thoughts, and to cultivate a deeper sense of being that is largely quiet and peaceful. I've found the teachings of Nisargadatta, Ramana Maharshi and Eckhart Tolle to be very helpful in this regard.
Trust me, stick with Ramana.
Rupert really doesn't even belong in this list.
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“Personally speaking.....”
that says it all.
@@geofseacat indeed. Really, we're just talking semantics here, because all of these teachers are pointing to the same understanding.. that we are consciousness, and not the dream of our body/minds. Whatever gets you there, is the way to go!
I honor your knowing. Your truth is beautiful. The nondual way, of course, is that you are your thoughts, you are not your thoughts, you are both, and you are neither 😁❤️💐🌼🙃🥰
I see you. But majority of population would laugh hysterically listening to Ramana, They are not even ready to listen such things, not to mention even the possibilty to reflect on them. I think just a basic observation of our daily life, indicates the truth of this statement.
People like Watts, Rupert and many more are more approachable and easier to digest for the "mainstream" folk. Even then people who are way too unconscious tend to defend their current state, despite the fact it's a pain in the as@ for them and they know it. Go figure....
I know for sure everyone has their own pace and not everyone is nessecary to have deeper realisations, like many people in this community.
My gratitude to you Rupert on this Platform. My journey started 2002 and deepen gradually, my path was supported by an Indian organization remote from and I fortunate to visit Maduban in Northern Rajastan.I found peacefulness at work and home, but was unable to inspire those in my community. Discovering your Platform I am hopeful that meditation can become a way of living for family life. You are a world teacher Thank you which we can meet soon.
This was very helpful. I too have mostly looked at meditation as a discipline, so having this shift will be helpful.
First time i see a video of this man. I really Love him already… i will see much more for sure 😍
Ohhh thank you Rupert!! I've had to listen to this over and over, and suddenly something clicked and all makes sense! I feel joyful ! 🙏
This was very helpful. Thank you!
That was really well put !! I understood every word 😁😁
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Perfect 👍🏽
Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled about many things. 42But one thing is needed, and Mary has chosen that good part, which will not be taken away from her. “The direct way”
Brilliant, thankyou Rupert. I wish I could cut to the chase and hit my core directly too. But we are creatures of stone set mentalities and it takes tact and effort to dodge that....over lifetimes.
Thankyou for acknowledging that the summum bonum of all ancient eastern traditions point to the highest truth of all of us being that One Supreme Reality.
It is the path and interpretation of the prescription by various minds to reach there that makes the it loopy and windy....and quite understandanly confuses for the western mind.
If people like me, fortunate enough to be born and exposed to Indian tradition, get lost in the churning of info, then I can very well understand the confusion of others.
But its not honey's fault if one doesn't know how to squeeze the honeycomb. It is irrefutable that the ancient eastern wisdom and its systematisation is gold.
One adept in the deep, authentic knowledge plus an expert in juicung it out for the masses via easy interpretation can transfer the real essence to all easily.
IMHO, one major reason why we become averse such eastern electics is, that pseudo lilttle gurus men and women.. have cropped up with their lil YT channels trying guide others the way while still searching for their own truth. That is why they cannot clearly relay, reflect the original jnana. But again, why blame them? We need to ask ourselves.....what am I after? What do I want? Someone else's truth or someone who nudges me to trust my own truth?
Love the background. So cool
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This has just made perfect sense 😊 why spend time focusing on the ego which isn't real when that energy can be better spent in growing in awareness of what is, consciousness. Thank you
"I love thinking." 😎🙂
Thank you so much
The best explain ever!!!
Rupert has an amazing way of teaching and I'm thankful for his guidance. Thoughts are the clouds and thinking has purpose. 6.12.23
Dear group,
By reading the comments I truly see that "realisation" or recognition of the Self is an individual and very personal experience.
We are One, but yet unique in our own ways of interpret, assimilate and digest the path that is given here.
Therefore, instead of resist different opinions and views let's embrace it with aceptance as it is for each of us.
I was very keen on joining the weekend retreat, however after reading the comments it really put me off...
I am not looking for debate, fight for concepts nor defend anything nor anybody, but evolve in a positive and supportive environment.
Well...., not here, or at least, not yet for now.
I stay in my inner silence and mental quietness.
Thank you for attention.
Hi Isabel
Thank you for your comment.
The TH-cam comments page is an independent platform and is separate from Rupert's events.
The Retreat at Home events are supportive meetings for those interested in delving deeper into the teachings together, and exploring the sense of the separate self.
I hope that's of help to know.
If you would like further information about the Retreat at Home, please don't hesitate to contact me through the contacts page of the website.
Warmly,
Niya
I suspect it is not a good idea to judge what a weekend retreat will be like from a youtube comments section. TH-cam comments tend to be full of debate and sometimes fights. I imagine retreats are often a very positive experience - including I imagine Rupert's retreats. Whenever you have the time check out Michael Beckwith's and Christina Lopes's channels. Perhaps you will like their teachings and their unique energy. Bless you.
@@niya-rsteam1870 many thanks Niya for your kind clarification, best wishes
@@brianlittrell797 thank you Brian for your suggestion, my regards!
@@isabelcosta2009 You're welcome Isabel. 💜
Very good thank you so much
Very good
Very helpful ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks Rupert. Yes I agree thinking/ thoughts are great; but not thoughts that divert you from the productive ones. For instance while listening to you thoughts about someone's facial expressions, lunch, self, ...these sorts of thoughts seem unnecessary and destructive.
@David Bee -- through experimentation, I see the truth in what you describe in your comment -- intellectual rationalisation does appear to impose a hard limit. I have only listened to a handful of Ruperts talks and your description resonates with my experience thus far. There is also much to be understood between thinking vs compulsive thinking. Meditation can alleviate the effects of compulsive thinking and allow space for simply being, which does include (non-compulsive) thinking. Simply "being" is a state of true peace. Thought/thinking in the peaceful state of being is where joy, inspiration and enthusiasm is experienced.
Beautiful
Maybe someone can clarify: Why we have only a glimpse of the infinite intelligence but at the same time we have access to all the infinite stupidity? Thank you.
From my perspective "infinite stupidity" exists because we have chosen to undergo forgetfulness. A temporary amnesia. Our soul/higher self wants to experience growing, evolving, unity, oneness. The only way for us to experience growing in our awareness of our divine nature and who we are is for us to experientially forget our divine nature, our divine attributes, qualities, abilities. We forget who we are so that we may grow in our experience of who we are. The growing is sometimes painful and involves suffering but as we continue to grow the pain and suffering becomes less and less and the joy and enjoyment of the process of remembering becomes greater and greater. The suffering and stupidity is temporary then and unfortunately unavoidable at the lower levels of awareness/remembering.
A high level of experiential awareness of our divine nature/divine essence is the experience of tremendous peace, joy, love, wisdom, harmony, power, abundance, beauty, creativity, passion - and all the other many things that God is. God being the Infinite Intelligence that is expressing Itself as all that exists. As we grow the glimpses become infinite access to the infinite intelligence.
Therefore the key is to grow. Meditation and self-less service are two of the best ways to grow and be very happy and fulfilled. Selfless service is giving to others/being of service to others without wanting anything in return from them - not even their gratitude, respect or acknowledgement. Expressing gratitude/appreciation for anything good about your life or about yourself is another great way to grow. And loving yourself, self love, is very important in healing, growth and happiness.
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Hi Stuart
First can you tell me by term infinite stupidity and infinite intelligence what do mean or what you are considering under each term.
So it will be easy for me to clarify you in detail.
Because only the intelligence itself is infinite - the 'stupidity' (or ignorance) is finite. Clearly therefore, one can only 'glimpse' the infinite intelligence, whereas the ignorance, which by nature is limited, will naturally seem more common and accessible. In other words, anything which is _not_ the infinite intelligence is, by definition, limited - effectively the 'background of ignorance' from which the 'glimpse' appears to arise.
@@_TB808 I'd say there is only infinite intelligence _attempting_ to know itself. Of course, this attempt is ultimately futile, since the infinite can never be known or understood - even by itself! But, at the same time, the amazing result of this divine attempt at self realisation _is_ life itself and the awe inspiring universe we see and experience around us in this human form. So don't 'knock' finitude - it's an indispensable part of God's [our] purpose!
Rupert speaks Truth here, however in the relative "world" it is important not to spiritually bypass the shadow.
"relax back to its source" a true relief thankfuly
there is a certain type of meditation that requires the absence of thought and internal dialogue in order to experience the inner self that is filled with the divine light....and consequently the nature of ones thoughts change to become more alligned to ones higher nature. The discipline is simply to avoid the internal dialogue that springs from the mind in order to discover the source of energy that is behind the creation of everything and including the mind.
You are correct, getting rid of thought is not goal... It is the first step. If you cannot stop thinking at will then you are not on the spiritual path yet
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Doesn’t awareness imply separation? After a certain point it’s just everything happening, no distance
Incredible.
I wonder what the reason is, the consciousness just decide to localise and leave? What cause this?
Gratitude exploded into love...
...at some point...
...as these words unraveled something...
...uncovering in a way...
...of what is already there...
...love
...deep gratitude
...exploding into love
Which traditions try and deny thinking? I have come across everyone only saying watch the thought and gently bring back the focus to the breath to focus on the now.
7:40 we are interested in who we are rather than separate self. Wow.
Aum
What happens when the separate self is all I feel and have gone numb and want to be dead all the time? Is there a path to experience the true nature in that space?
I've had nightmares as well as suicidal thoughts, I now realise both were by-products of my ignorance (self-centredness). Keep digging...
"In the ultimate analysis there aren't even human beings, there is being clothed in human experience"
So, do you claim ownership of the thoughts that come to you?
We are meditation ✊
Nobody needs to be a virtuoso to love music.
❤🙏🏽
when you need the mind for something than by all means think, but when you don't need it for thought, then shut it down
Sorry I disagree with his perspective. There is a vast body of spiritual record that guides the spiritual aspirant to discipline the mind through the stilling of thoughts.
This is in fact what a mantra is for and or the counting of ones breath, Slow breathing lowers the brainwaves and assists in quieting of the mind, ie. the thoughts.
The very nature of the mind in it's linear thought process is a function of lower consciousness. You can not gain a greater awareness if you remain bound to the thinking mind. It is like looking through the key hole of the door handle and seeing one object at a time, one word at a time, rather than opening the door and seeing or becoming aware of the full nature. It is like swishing a stick back and forth, the oscillating of the mind, in a pond of water and stirring up the mud. As long as you are swishing the stick back and forth the water will remain muddy and only become clear when the stick stops disturbing the water. And it is the same with the mind, stop thinking and the darkness will settle and then clarity will arise and then you will be fit to travel into the Astral realm because you can not enter there if you do not have control over your mind. Surely that makes some sense. Greater self-control is a function of greater awareness.
We are all the manifestation of God, everyone, every quark, in the micro and the macro. Vipassana Meditation brings this into focus so well.
What is the process or approach or 'way' of stabilizing the recognition, once it has taken place?
Courage and determination.
My brethren, do all that is in your power not to fall, for the strong athlete should not fall, but, if you do fall, get up again at once, and continue the contest. Even if you fall a thousand times, because of the withdrawal of God’s grace, rise up again at each time, and keep on doing so until the day of your death.
@@mikefoster5277 Those are qualities, abstract qualities of action, I was hoping for something concrete in terms of action or approach.
@@sugarfree1894 Yes, the 'qualities of action' precede the 'concrete actions'. In other words, one's attitude is more important than one's mechanical mode of approach. Develop the right mental attitude first and the right actions will follow naturally.
Remain present to senses objects including thoughts
It seems as if following the progressive path for a (good) while makes those teachings clearer thus available, able to get through our thick skulls. Jung said "One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious." and that if you don't make the unconscious conscious, it will lead your life from behind the scene, unknowingly.
Usually our conscious minds are so clouded with uncontrollable judgements and limiters, that bringing things up from the unconscious has little long-lasting effect. The thoughts reinforce the feelings and we rapidly fall back into out emotional habits.
If your mind in quiet, you can bring up things from the darkness “why does that noise make me angry?”, “why do i feel sad?”, “why am I jealous?”… and just look at them in the light without judging. Under such insistent exposure they quickly fall apart, because they are just illogical knots caused by trauma. You have to do it several times, but eventually the source of suffering is unraveled.
This is my experience: when I'm meditating, naturally thoughts come through my mind..however the moment I consciously try to witness the thoughts I'm having, I can't help but stop those thoughts. Is that alright?
@@_TB808 I do understand what you mean. Thank you :)
Do you mean that you stop the thoughts, once you witness them, or that they stop by themselves once you witness them? Is it 'you' who stops them or do they, once witnessed, simply stop/go away/dissolve?
In your conscious recognition that you are the one witnessing the thought, you then have the choice to continue giving that thought your attention or not. Most will then choose to not give the thought attention because the recognition that you are not the one thinking results in the thought losing its meaning. Subtly and over time, the awareness shifts from witnessing the thoughts to witnessing the field from which the thoughts arise.
Hi freedom breather
When you start meditation naturally thought comes. Then these thoughts comes which you are unable to see 🙈 I'll list it for you..
Thought number 1 "iam witnessing thoughts" this is also thought
Thought number 2 "No thoughts are coming " this is also thought
Thought number 3 " great iam doing great meditation as no thought are coming" this is also thought
Thought number 4 "office thought comes" this is also thought
Thought number 5 "oh ho again thought started" this is also thought
Thought number 6 "again iam witnessing " this is also thought
Thought number 7 " wow there I no thought again, great witnessing help" this is also thought
Hope it helps. All the best
@@anamika9126 That's not everyone's experience. You can be aware of something without thinking about it. You can notice something without thinking about it. The awareness that you have no thoughts going through your mind is not a thought in itself. Being aware of something is not the same thing as thinking about it.
0:55 Rupert confirms that he loves thinking. "I love thinking, I think thinking is a beautiful tool and activity."
2:25 How Rupert uses thinking process to guide meditations
Thinking is fine.
That’s what I thought
Was the questioner asking about silent sitting meditation, or about one of the narrated mediations that Rupert does?
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recognizing your true nature means going beyond the body/mind space/time/causation complexes, beyond waking dreaming and deep sleep states to where you realize that your Self/Atman/I principle (john smith not king lear) is God...
Yes, what I intuitively know to be true is that fully experiencing our true nature involves the crown chakra. Which is why in kundalini yoga they raise the kundalini up to the crown chakra to dissolve the ego and experience the Unified Self - samadhi. The third eye chakra also works too because it is a portal to the center of our soul, our higher self. And our soul/higher self is always experiencing the Unified Self which is God whenever it wishes to. Therefore the HEART chakra, third eye chakra and the crown chakra can be used as portals to fully experience The Unified Self - the totality of our consciousness and being. But it is important to be grounded and to make sure ALL 7 chakras are in a healthy and balanced state.
I believe either the heart or the root chakra is the best place to start in terms of healing and harmonizing for most persons.
God is the Highest, I testify that there is no god but God, the most Amazing, the most Praiseworthy.
God is you, but you are not God. Let him who doesn't understand this be recognized as deluded.
@@aed1905 Every soul is God consciously and deliberately choosing to express Itself as that soul. So to say you are God is accurate. Everything that exists is God. The ant, the mosquito, the atoms, the universes. It is all The One choosing to express Itself. But a part of God is not equal to the Whole/Totality of God if that is what you mean.
@@brianlittrell797 Only God exists. God Alone exists.
@@aed1905 That is correct. God is the only presence and power. Which means you are God. And God is you.
Rupert's clarity is just mesmerizing. 💕🙏
Once (AGAIN!), Rupert Spira goes to bat and, on the very first pitch, knocks it over the scoreboard, outta the park, across the street and onto the rooftops...with all the spectators scrambling for it (as he rounds the bases and shaking hands)...!!!
Where are these names coming from ?? Jon smith and the other names he mentions, is it from a movie or ??
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Yes it actually is the goal otherwise it would be called "contemplating".
All is one thing. One thing experiencing itself. One thing with many heads. The heads come and go, but the thing that each of those heads is continues. Continues to experience itself. Continues to create new heads. The key is to realise that we are that one thing. Not this seemingly separate head. We are the one thing viewing ourself from the viewpoint of this head. Whether the primary substance of the one thing that we are is made of consciousness that can appear as matter in order to experience itself or whether it is made of matter that possesses the potential to create consciousness from within itself in order to experience itself, it makes no difference. It’s still all one thing. We are all one thing, always have been and always will be. There is nothing else that anything can be except the one thing that is. So have fun experiencing yourself as this head, meditate to drop the mind of this head and chill as yourself (the one thing that all is), love all as it’s all part of you and always will be. When you talk to others you’re literally talking to another part of yourself. The one thing that all is will continue to make new heads to keep on experiencing itself. We are that one thing.
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This is a very interesting thing that to some people still and peaceful mind IS the goal so for them the direct path would be to still the mind without waiting to recognize their oneness, which comes slowly and naturally to them through the consistent stillness of their mind 😊
hmm... if you feel you dont think. feel your self. by and by an energy is created which becomes a greater Center of your focus then mundane thoughts... than that energy will. transform you... it will suck you in. And when you know... when you really know then... if someone asks you. what is the truth you will. look at that energy.. being it instead of giving a discurse... you. Will remain silent but spread a peaceful Atmosphare around you which ca be clearly felt... so dont be deceived by advaita
Sit 20 minutes for meditation every day unless you are too busy, then sit one hour.
Time is a concept of the mind. Our awareness does not need 20 minutes or one hour. We are infinite beings having a human experience.
@@jessieong7066 this is what your brain is telling itself.
Im only finding Rupert now 😢 . Oh well,,, ehen the student is ready ❤
Having the ability to stop thoughts and not think is a powerful state of awareness if you can do it
How did Rupert came to knowing it all?
He didn’t
It's very exciting to try to wake someone up.
Whisper their name, or gently shake them by the shoulders, works fine for me 🙂
@@ithurtsmuch even better when you bring them a cup of tea.
@@sugarfree1894 I´m not very well know to traditional british Sadhana, but it sounds interesting 😄
@@ithurtsmuch A good cuppa is always interesting. Fragrant.
@@_TB808 Really? No one is asleep? Have you looked around at the way the world is lately? Would you say that most people are awakened? Self realized? Are free of their ego and experiencing their true self? Would you say that peace, joy, complete fulfillment, perfect harmony, prosperity, abundance and most importantly perfect love is being consciously expressed and consciously experienced by most people in the world the vast majority of the time?
Ramana Maharshi "Be rid of current thoughts, that is all."
This is where Nonduality separates from Advaita Vedanta. N.D and Rupert teaches a watered-down, bastardized version of Ramana's teaching. It is for those who are not ready for liberation
haven played with vr-glasses, i like to compare it to our experience. vr-world even thou it is still its beginnings can still easily fool our senses to believe it's real. Wearing glasses, you have to remind yourself it's not real and remember what's real or you'll be easily sucked back in. I think our body is like those vr-glasses.
Christs prayer in the garden was that of Oneness.
Uh oh, Jane and Mary are back.
Jane will be getting a bad reputation if she keeps walking the streets of Paris!
Communion
There is very little humane in the ego