It is downright stunning for me how Rupert Spira walks the razor sharp blade of words to express that which cannot be expressed. I feel as if he had disected my brain atom by atom and then put it back together like pieces of lego. “….a thought that has naturally come to its end” Wow, just wow ❤❤❤
But we DO conceptualize them, so the Path is to work from here 🙏🏾🌎💯😎. One could easily say, “If I had no arms and legs, and were just one cosmic eyeball 👁️… it would all look, or appear much different 🤷🏾♂️.
"As soon as you see something, you already start to intellectualize it. As soon as you intellectualize something, it is no longer what you saw.” - Shunryu Suzuki
There are no things, I.e objects, there is only the experience of things seeming to be objects within the field of awareness itself and since we are aware of this experience, we are awareness itself witnessing this unfolding.
I think and beleive it is like this: God (or the source of everything if you will) creates the sun when your apparent ”YOU” looks at the sun. The sun is just a reflection of your mind in exakt the moment the ”God” will show you the sun. When two apparent people is in exact the same place and looks at the sun... then this source (or God if you want) creates the sun for both to show the beauty. When then these people talks to each other about the beautiful sun... that discussion is also a reflection from this source. ”The source at the moment divided into two people talking”, but in the reality ALL is ONE and this ONE seems to be dualistic. Informed by the source, but just appeared as a false thing (the sun) in the separate mind!! What do you think? Or in other words: There is only ”a sun” when the source appear as ”a sun” to the apparent mind... but in reality there is no sun, just a thougt of a sun in a human mind, that takes that form from an energy and the energy is only the informativ tool from the source👍🙏! Namaste, and keep shining😃🕉
@@steffehjertquist So much for me to learn (comprehend). Here's one, I'm sitting at my computer not looking at The Milky Way. Is The M W there? Not for me (my perception) but IS it THERE? I say yes. Is it there when a million people look at it? Yes. So what is it when no one LOOKS at it?? An object? Suspended in space (universe). Olowly R does it belong to a collective consciousness THAT created it eons ago? Or at some point. By relative gods. Other words before this Universe existed IT was slowly (evolving) by minds previous to ours. In eternity it can be this way. And when we came onto earth and look UP we see what was created from SOURCE and is somehow suspended there. ?? for its illusion that lasts with change ETC?
@@steffehjertquist: The sun warms us and makes things grow. It’s reality may be different than the way we understand it but…it’s mind-blowing really. I would never call the sun “a false thing.”
I know that relying upon substances for spiritual revelation is frowned upon, but I absolutely love listening to Rupert while stoned. My whole being is just like, "Yes, of course."
I struggled for many years trying to understand this fundamental concept of non duality until I heard a video of Rupert saying that this world is a dream In God’s mind. As long we considere that we are a separate self The world will seem to be real. No logical explanation You will not realize you were dreaming until you awake.
So many concepts we wrestle with. What helped me is getting past the ideas that consciousness is something “I” possess. Well, I say getting past is but that’s not really true. The sense of the separate self is still very strong. Great comment!
Dear Rupert, I share completely your appreciation of western culture, something is so wrong with it and this is alone proof for what you teach us. Thank you so much for your videos.
Yes. The second time I felt the vertigo, I laid down and let go of all resistance. As soon as I did, I became one with the abyss. It was more blissful than anything I've ever known. No drugs involved, either!
Are we all living in mass delusion, if reality for everyone the same? If I see the ocean, and the others who are looking the the same ocean seeing the same, is it means that our conception of reality the same and I mean humans only?
It's nice to see this man has so much patience and is able to work with so many different minds these are the pointing out instructions to awaken to reality
oh my! 15:26 "the ego is a natural stage that we pass through" !! such a light view of the egoic status: we don't have to destroy it, only leave it behind...
"Nothing is form, and form is nothingness." This reminds me of an old zen koan. I am sure many of you have heard it. "Two hands clap and there is a sound. What is the sound of one hand?" Victor Hori offered this insight: "in the beginning a monk first thinks a kōan is an inert object upon which to focus attention; after a long period of consecutive repetition, one realizes that the kōan is also a dynamic activity, the very activity of seeking an answer to the kōan. The kōan is both the object being sought and the relentless seeking itself. In a kōan, the self sees the self not directly but under the guise of the kōan ... When one realizes ("makes real") this identity, then two hands have become one. The practitioner becomes the kōan that he or she is trying to understand. That is the sound of one hand." Apply this to the notion of consciousness. Understand that we are all a beautiful paradox. Everything is awareness.
Also, when the questioner says, "My mind," (over and over), that is also a problem. The mind is NOT personal. It is NOT "MY." The mind is impersonal. When we make our mind personal, we throw a huge monkey wrench into everything. I am NOT my mind. I am NOT my body. I am only "I." The mind is just a tool so that we don't crash and burn in a linear circumstance. When we identify with our mind (make it a "Me") then we become attached to it and cannot go beyond it, to where the understanding that we are seeking, IS.
4:58 RS says show us the evidence. Reminds me of the story about Dr Samuel Johnson kicking the stone and saying I refute it thus. In other words, try putting your hand in the fire or try to walk through a wall... That demonstrates that there is reality as well as consciousness.
These modern day terms such as downloading and virtual reality always seem to be a metaphor for consciousness and awareness, I would be interested how somebody like Rupert would be able to describe before we had this computer age we now live in.
I struggle as this woman does. If all experience is already in "one" awareness, how is it that ideas discussed are new to my experience? Why aren't they already known to me, already familiar to me? That is what makes me have the perception of a new object that is outside of my awareness.
Well, they are familiar to the undivided You (aka Infinite Consciousness), but once the undivided You divides Itself into separate selves (like you and me here behind these computer screens), It ceases to possess Its Infinite Omniscience.
This guy’s making it up as he goes along! LOL He starts out with the question ‘what is your experience’, and goes on to ask does she experience anything of the outside world (basically to support or prove that it’s really there) then he says: than seeing? He then pauses - like he’s almost forgotten to add; touching? (then another pause, lest he forgets totally about ‘hearing’!) So his arguments, beliefs whatever for me, are simply unfolding whilst he talks and thinks of them, which gives no substance or fact to what he is actually saying for anything he puts forward - let alone evidence of it... There’s nothing wrong with that, but when he puts HIS questions to others, he’s asking/saying, other than what they are explaining, do they have any real evidence - well, no more perhaps than he himself does!
Your mind is in every cell of your body. Your mind is a conditioning of what you have been taught. The mind become a conditioning of beliefs and the beliefs are NOT who you are!!
Here is my thing. All brains are actually antennas to perceive the what we call "Reality". Every brain has this capability. Even from animals. But what we receive as antennas? We receive consciousness. :) therefore we all come from this universal consciousness and what we call I is actually just this "downloaded Consciousness" going through the filters of our brain cells and interpreted by it, adding all flavours of experiences and social constructed ideas we have throughout our life. :)
Fair enough, that works on a secondary level. (But on a primary level it doesn't, because primarily nothing actually exists; all of material existence is Infinite Consciousness's hallucination/dream/thought form. 'Our' belief that 'it' exists is just an interpretation.)
Since everything appears in and td me, I-aeareness, I and the so-called world are One. No world separate from me. I-awareness comes first. Without Me there is no word.
The debate between the notion of an outside objective world or a world inside your awareness has been the subject of debate in Zen monasteries for centuries, It is not "Western versus non-dual". Long time ago this discussion became the subject of a deep and profound Zen koan which leads the seeker to the realization that neither interpretation is correct. The answer is not knowable, in fact no one knows if we're not in fact all just plugged into a simulation. The good news is that true freedom is found in being at peace with not knowing. It seems that the non-dual path in Zen is slightly different than what Rupert teaches. It's about taking up residence in that place of not knowing and not needing to know. Suzuki Roshi once responded to a question about consciousness in this way: "I don't know anything about consciousness, I just try to teach my students how to hear the birds sing." The universe is a place of grand mystery, it's not necessary to have it all figured out to find peace.
6yrs now and still see it as a bad sales job, at least in the first have. You can’t force it or argue like a litigator to have someone ‘see’. All you get is acquiescence of the will. I mostly enjoy Rupert as he does fulfill a certain part of spirituality that no one else can do, this one just isn’t his best.
You trying to figure it out pick it apart is all ego. There are no questions to be answered. Pure current experience is all we have everything else is of mind end of story enjoy.
'Nothing is form, and form is nothingness' is a concession to the belief that there are things (9:00-10:00). Then, there is the realisation that this belief, produced by consciousness, can be replaced by the realisation that colours, sounds etc are appearing out of consciousness. Consciousness would not be be able to come up with colours, sounds, etc without employing thoughts, necessary to design the mechanics of perceiving colours, sounds etc. Driving a car is most enjoyable without identifying with it or believing in it as a separate entity. However, the designers of the car had to invest a lot of thinking into the functioning of that car. Realising the formless does not invalidate thinking as a tool to maintain the mechanics (vibrations) of perceiving colours and sounds for the sake of entertaining consciousness. Luckily, there is no need for consciousness to forget itself to perceive colours and sounds, but it has to forget itself as soon as it assumes beliefs in separation.
If our perception of the physical reality is mental why cant we change it? Like you would just imagine a different face and you'd see it then. But no matter how much you try to reinvent it mentally it just stays the same. Perception does occur in mind but the way structures are being percieved remain inert, repetitive and predictable. Why is that?
Spoiler alert - No there isn't an outside world. It feels like there is due to the human sense of seperation. In actuality you are everything you experience. The inner and outer are one indivisible whole 🤯🙏🏽
I know the outside world is there because it reciprocates seamlessly and appropriately, my actions upon it. For example my mother fed my hunger, even when I could not communicate it. Compare this with no evidence that the outside world is not there.
It's simpler to say that our life is just a dream, it's easier to understand the truth he is talking about when you know this. Don't let you be deceived from the extreme coherence, lenght and realistic quality of this dream but observe the synchronicity, the law of attraction, the deja-vu and the paranormal phenomena: they can all be explained if we admit it's just our shared dream. And when we fall asleep, we have dreams inside this longer dream. Who is the dreamer? Pure awareness...the void, there is NOTHING when the dream is over, just your/our awareness in peace and presence
"Just a dream": Such a demotion of being alive seems designed to satisfy some sort of dissatisfaction with being finite, ie. smacks of ego. Reality has meaning. Life is real. Life has meaning. Life can't be life without being finite. Thus the satisfaction of the one great desire to be is to be finite, for only then can meaning be manifest. There seems to be no universal dreamer, but we many selves do dream. But that our lives may be full of meaning, let us dream in a way consistent with the nature of what we are at every level of being which we can extend our awareness to. That is the discipline toward happiness, toward life as real and undemoted.
@@osvaldovaldes10009 , no, it is awareness imaging of being a separate self that is asleep and having a dream. What we call the mind, is just a collection of thoughts that are happening right now. 😘
"the program is downloaded from the sane source" mandela effect, shows that, the world is not concrete and actually changes "retroactivey" because is just a "program".
I'll admit; I don't know matter outside of my perception of matter through my senses. I can't possible argue with that. But what if both things are going on? My awareness only perceives matter AND that matter objectively exists? Why can't it be both?
in other words: 1) it’s all in you head, there is no world out there, 2) there IS a world out there but we can never know it, only our perceptions. Is that it? You really are saying #2....no?
Of course there is an outside world. We might not experience it in the same way but it's still there. We are in it, part of it. Nothing does not exist. All is connected. Everything matters. You matter. Never forget that. Nobody knows all. Don't put people on a pedestal. Don't detach too much. Next thing you know you'll become this person who acts like he's detached from all having left family and friends to persue his absolute and selfish detachment. Balance is important. We all need to be loved and touched. If not, big problems will occur. Don't make things more complex but instead make them clearer.
Ra Ma: You missed the major part of the teaching and you put again the teaching into duality as if There is conflict between world and awareness World and awareness are the same. You have to go outwards again.
It seems that the lady has not yet experienced the subtle sense of "being aware of being aware". Not yet realizing "awareness" presents itself as an intimate all-embracing presence and aliveness that can not be conceptualized. It's as if she is trying to fit conscious-awareness into an idea, or into an object. Immediately once the space of awareness is seen it's obvious it is beyond the minds comprehension. It's too present; too alive; too silent; too close; too non-objective; too open; too wondrous.... I have noticed with friends that when the question "are you aware of being aware?" is mentioned they instantly answer yes; but in any further discussion always seem to focus only on what they are aware of, and can not sense the awareness itself. It's like an alien concept. I'm not trying to preach here. just clarifying things for myself. :-)
Yes, and in meditation practice being aware of just being aware (Pure awareness) is ideal... and then thoughts, moods, stressful ones, etc come and go. This is when we go back to a SILENCE of just being aware, of being aware, and simply KNOWING this AS my true essence (I AM).
Also, "I am confused," is NOT a good place to be in when we are trying to understand something. Letting Go of every form of negativity and resistance is the ONLY way to understand anything. Confusion is resistance. Let It Go.
how did I create this? and why? falling for a man: obsessed with health and fitness. and me? diabetic. fat. overweight: my whole life. he's vegan. I love meat. he's a fitness trainer. leisure walks are the only exercise I get. I have a bad back, I can't do much. fitness is far from my thing. why would I do this to myself? fall for a man that would/could never fall for me back?
I love all of Rupert Spira’s videos, yet often struggle with the volume. So many are difficult to hear. My numerical volumes on all devices are always at maximum. Is it actually part of the teaching that it be difficult to hear?
Hey Pedro, maybe it's time to get better earbuds....what do you say? Pedro: I did get better earbuds!... Okay... and how is the sound now? Uhh,, much better, I can hear him now!
Fact : we only know the world through perception. so that leaves 2 possibilities. 1. The world does not exist (only the perception of it). 2. The world does exist but we can only experience it through sense perceptions. Because we only know the world via perception means it’s valid either way, but it does not prove anything. How do you know it? He says it’s conditioning vs experience. But the experience does not make it so, it just allows the possibility of it. Can you reach a place in experience that proves or strongly hints the truth? If so how? Will self enquiry bring you to that place? Can anyone help answer this?
Slow Seeker You can never be sure but lets say option 2 is right. There actually exists an outside world and all of the world beings perceive this world through our perception - then the fact that the "observer" in all of these people, the "I" is exactly the same - should give you pause and should let you consider very strongly the first option
Simon Levy I disagree. The repeatable experience of the same physical world (geography) through seven billion finite minds confirm the existence of the material world in a very real sense in a way that the subjective dream world never can. To equate the two is disingenuous at best. No one has perceived the dream world which my subconscious creates (towards ends that strongly correlate with experiences in my waking state). Yet, many people have experienced driving on the same road in the same direction to get to the same supermarket. You cannot brush this under the rug. When one chalks up existence to subjective experience, they must embrace the baggage that follows. The universe is underpinned by objectivity at the most fundamental *metaphysical* level. The only subjective experience is that of the objective world.
@@jeffrourke2322 yet in the dream world, the dream characters have all experienced the same dream world analogous to the real characters all experiencing the same real world
According to Yogacara Buddhism, when the Heart or 8th Consciousness, which is M-theory in string theory, arises in a new cycle (new life) it projects what seems to be an internal body and at the same time an external world or universe which is AdS/CFT in string theory where AdS is a contracting space or universe (for example our body's ability to heal and to grow by food intake) and CFT looks like the expanding universe we see in the cosmo. The reality is there's no inside and outside.
Dear Rupert, A Course in Miracles says that God did not create the world. So how is it possible that being in the midst of nature makes it easier for us to feel God?
I wish Rupert would elaborate on this concept more rigorously. The Titanic is at the bottom of the ocean whether or not anyone experiences it. How do we know this? Through geographical coordinates. It’s existence in a particular location has been confirmed empirically by individualized finite minds over and over again. If there is no one to experience the ship, am I to believe that it’s existence in that location is manifested through the observance of infinite consciousness? Of course not, for the emergent material world can only be observed through the finite mind; Rupert’s words, not mine. Therefore, there must be a reconciliation between the reality (in a literal definition of the word) of the material world and the existence of an infinite consciousness. It isn’t enough to say that the world does not exist but through the experience of said world. This would be to say that infinite consciousness has no awareness whatsoever of the vast majority of the physical universe, for 99.99% of it is unobserved. How does one account for this enigma? If a world is only manifest through a finite mind, than the entirety of the cosmos is completely superfluous. I find that too hard a pill to swallow. Either infinite consciousness has an agency that Rupert does not concede (yet must because finite minds exist: who purposed their existence?), or the relationship between consciousness and the material world is as of yet not understood properly. I’m on board with awareness as a fundamental underpinning of the material body, and the material world. But the existence of the world is not properly explained through these same means.
So if everything we know or experience of the outside world comes from awareness then awareness still has to conjure the object of awareness to be aware of it. Question is once we are aware that the objects are all in awareness can we change what we perceive as objects and can we change it not just for ourself but the 75 other people in the same room? I am not questioning awareness or the need for awareness to experience any object, but where the disconnect is that while I can change the feelings or even hallucinate to change what I see, I can’t seem to change what the other person with me sees, feels or experiences. For example a mirage, once a group of people in a desert walk to the area of the mirage all realize at the same time there was nothing there. Why does that not happen with the world we experience?
Anyone had apeirophobia. all the talks about eternal bliss/Self is scary, something which never ends and just exist there forever and ever ? I'm so fearful to be forced to exist in this world with its suffering for endless rebirth and just to enlightened and live forever and ever ?
Lots of good comments here!.....so, why do we see seven billion similar daytime worlds but seven billion different night time dreams? It should be the same since it is the same consciousness, no?
Rupert has great insights and is very eloquent, and he's helped me to better understand our experience and consciousness as human beings. However, I find that dismissing the notion of a materialistic framework that defines our common world is somewhat misguided.
When a dear friend of Ruper dies, I imagine Rupert has a way of honoring that event, but I'd love to know how he would describe "what" it is he is honoring: the feelings/thoughts/sensations that he imagined were his friend...?
But Rupert would see the "was" as no different than all other tricks of ignorance. I'd assume. When he thinks of having coffee with his friend, would he really think that he was no longer in direct touch with that Essence of Love, always, now?
The Lost Scrapbook we live in a paradox of being pure awareness but responding with a bodymind called ego that senses loss. Pure awareness resides in the sheer bliss of the love light it arises out of and gadly returns to.
i Sensuality Sublimely and/or Crudely exigency to the exclusion of all else want, shapes patterns and forms, scaled measured and labeled experience. I feel the fearful-pain of wanting painless pleasure experience.
So, if the whole human kind disappears now ( with our feelings, perception and awareness) then, will the universe stop existing at the same time? I am just asking, cause this is hard to understand for me
Solipsism is extreme egocentrism…which I believe stops, developing with the Ego. Spira elicits that the ego is a continuous pathway in gaining total awareness(?) I hope that illustrates a sound theory to your query.
Please edit the Transcript at 13:58 - Kindly clarify what is "shanku quoted the shank area saying real..." etc. I am afraid it is the name of the great seer
So it's all in my experience, everything. There is nothing outside of my experience. But what does it mean that other people are around and are they a product of my experience? I don't thinks so. They must have their own experience and they are experiencing me whenever I'm around. Does their experience make me up? No, I'm here and so are they. Each and everyone of them and so are all the other creatures like animals and also trees and flowers. What does this mean?
Everything is energy. You are an energy field so when you are vibrating at a specific frequency, you draw people, things, situations which are a match to that. Which is why when you want something good in your experience, you gotta do energy work to attract better.
The Best Tina Turner I call you when I need you, my heart's on fire You come to me, come to me wild and wired Oh, you come to me, give me everything I need Give me a life time of promises and a world of dreams Speak the language of love like you know what it means Mm, and it can't be wrong, take my heart and make it strong, babe You're simply the best, better than all the rest Better than anyone, anyone I ever met I'm stuck on your heart, I hang on every word you say Tear us apart, baby, I would rather be dead In your heart I see the start of every night and every day In your eyes I get lost, I get washed away Just as long here in your arms I could be in no better place You're simply the best, better than all the rest Better than anyone, anyone I ever met I'm stuck on your heart, I hang on every word you say Tear us apart, baby, I would rather be dead Each time you leave me I start losing control You're walking away with my heart and my soul I can feel you even when I'm alone Oh, baby, don't let go You're the best, better than all the rest Better than anyone, anyone I ever met I'm stuck on your heart I hang on every word you say Tear us apart Baby I would rather be dead Oh you're the best
I appreciate the talks of Rupert Spira. Sadly he makes the same mistake as many before him have by trying to hard to derive everything from awareness. When I am thirsty I prefer my real glass of water above Ruperts illusion of it. The water may be different from how I see it but the life saving effect it has on me is very real. Just one of the many examples I can give.
Jan Verhoeven: I did not understand what mistake you are talking about. Water is a life saving source. I do not see any contradiction what Rupert is saying. You can drink Your water. Water is a given name
@@terefefeyssa877 May be you can follow the advice that Rupert is given in most of his talks: look at your own experience. But really look without being influenced by what he or anyone else is saying. You will find you as a feeling, thinking and acting subject and also you will find the outside world of objects, plants, animals and fellow human beings. Ignoring any part of it is, is my humble understanding, a false simplification that does not solve any real life problems.
@@JanVerhoeven-uit-gilze: You better step back and look carefully before You impose Your own belief. The direct path different form what you know so far. Just explore it with out unnecessary interpretation. Do you understand what "direct" means in this teaching?
I agree that we are aware of the world only through our experiences of senses and not in reality. But then how do you conclude that world and things do not exist in reality, based on what experience??? at best we can only say I dont know if the world exists or not since I can only see through my experiences, we cant conclude. I am not getting this point, can someone clarify???
Sound logic I must say.I have no concrete answer.Perhaps ' I expierence therefore I am' But then what happens to me during deep sleep? Maybe as humans we can't know and just have to function in the shadow....maybe? maybe not🧐
So if the world doesn’t exist, how come we then can influence what happens in it, after we touched something and then let go of it, like throwing a ball and hitting a target, that then gives off sound, that we receive afterwards, without us actually touching it, how come the Ball doesn’t just disappear as soon as we let go of it?
If three are other entities and not just simulations .... there is a definitely an outside world otherwise these individuals wouldn't be having the same world. It's all happening through our perceptions sure but there's a constant of all of us seeing the same thing... Something is grounding us and that's the outside world and our limited perception of it.
If this questioner would just LET GO of Wanting to Understand these things, the understanding would just flood in. When we think, "I want to understand," it's a condition of "wanting," or scarcity, of the understanding. Just say, 'I Let Go of wanting to understand xyz. I allow the understanding to come to me." This really really works. We can't understand this concept with the logical mind. We must stop trying to do it. Because, like Rupert says, this subject is beyond the mind. We have to Let Go of the mind to understand this. "I have no access to ..." We are all omniscient beings, capable of accessing every form of knowledge and understanding. We must stop denying it. Just accept this about ourselves, and the understanding of this subject will automatically come to us. When we are resisting the very thing we say we want to have, we are resisting the understanding. If we would STOP wanting to understand things, the understanding will automatically come because we have removed the resistance to it. We must stop trying to create an argument. That we consider understanding something is just so important... Understanding itself is NOT important. When we stop thinking that it IS important, the understanding will just come. Understanding will NOT come to the place where it's resisted. There are NO dilemmas, except the ones we create. Sit quietly on the couch and stay there until we can Let Go of all our dilemmas and mis-understandings. Just let go of all the resistance. All of the argumentitiveness. Then the understanding will come. Also, Let Go of everything that we believe. Then understanding will come automatically. Truth comes where it is NOT resisted. It really is so fun to let go of our reasoning mind for awhile to allow spiritual understanding to come. But, we humans, must always have a bone to pick :)))) Unless we don't (as Neale Donald Walsch would say). We are all on the same journey together. Thank you, questioner and Rupert, for all of this amazing conversation!
How can one say there is no world out there?, if you really think so, touch a red hot iron rod and i would like to know there is no world out there !!!. Though what we experience in the dream is not real when we wake up, it is completely understandable, but the world i experience is real as i can touch, feel, eat, though it is ultimately experienced by consciousness/awareness. If i can touch an object and experience it, then there must be something other than me which i'm experiencing !!!!
Channaveera Swamy hes just saying that there is no objective world. This world we are experiencing is experienced through our human senses. A snake would experience the world differently just as a cat would experience the world differently. When youre in a dream you experience a world created by your subconcious yet its as real as the world we are in. This is what nondualists mean when they talk about maya; illusionary world. So really all there is consciousness, the world isnt really real.
Thanks when "The world is an illusion" is explained through an analogy like dream world it make sense, but the awake world looks so real, so as the dream world, but the awake world is very real, i can touch, i can feel, it so real.
We all do share the same consciousness! I prefer to call it essence, awareness, or emptiness though, it is that which experience is projected upon. Kinda like how rupert once used the analogy of the TV screen and tv show to point at the awareness-experience connection. The analogy goes something like this: The TV screen is in stillness, unaffected by whatever contents that are displayed on it. Our awareness is like that, it is the still essence that observes this world (or experience for a better word) we are experiencing. everything is projected upon this nothingness. When you realize this and stabilize in that nondual state, life becomes pretty much like a movie unfolding (with varying intensities) , and you're watching this character play along the game of life. How i see it is that consciousness is god itself experiencing itself through the eyes of a human, living beings share that same consciousness aswell. God likes to play with himself it seems haha :) Although many teachers say this isnt the end all be all, this realization is just a half truth of the big picture which i think it is the experience of god consciousness (knowing that everything is god in varying forms, including you and your consciousness, aswell as realizing her infinite nature). I only reside in the basic nondual state, which is pretty awesome by itself! nothing magical about it though, just a general contentness even when "I" am not content if that makes sense haha
Channaveera Swamy you are confused with senses and I . You are not your senses. If you stop sensing like become blind deaf or all five senses shut down then will you still be there? Without your senses there will not be any world but you will still be there as pure awareness. So when you talk as if you are senses or body then of course world is real and if you have realised your true self then there is no world.
I'm still trying to decide if this is really profound teaching or just very clever sophistry. Some of the things he says resonate with me but with a lot of it I'm just like "what?"
Nitephall It's not sophistry. Follow the things you resonate with and you will eventually resonate with everything he says. He is crystal clear. I was also once in your position and I eventually came to see the truth he is pointing to. Good luck! :)
Rupert, you can't tell people to choose when their experience tells them otherwise. You have to "show" then. It's not a game of logic or convincing....and you of course know better
@@deanmccrorie3461 he really doesn’t. He’s just bad at selling the idea. My take is you can’t argue it like a litigator and get someone to shift their perspective.
"Why do you believe what Western culture tells you to believe about your experience?" -Rupert says through a microphone based entirely on a western culture's experience that relies on things to exist outside of our perception
*It's so unfair to say "western culture" is the blame for materialism and poor treatement of animals.* Arabic countries still have huge slave trades. Africa is a living nightmare and all attempts to lift it up have failed. Asian countries treat humans like animals, and China executes hundreds of thousands of people every year. This whol schtick about the west being so evil is wrong. Materialism is evil. This fantasy about india being this spiritual heaven is also wrong, much of it is very superficial. I wish people like this would aknowledge all the good they've received from being born in the west.
@@ferdinandocoluccelli9574 and I am Indian yet I agree with his/her comment 😅 it's all about being fair and seeing things in a fair way I suppose...for we all are no different from one another. Our skin/hair colours, cultures, languages, etc. might be different but in actuality we all are human being residing on Earth which is supposed to be round/spherical. Then where is this so-called East/West we talk about. Moreover in duality, everything has its good as well as bad. None is perfect in its entirety. Oftentimes many places are projected in a certain way which may not, rather ARE NOT the truth completely....as he/she rightly points about the so-called western culture and also about India. I can confirm that because I stay here. Have been born and brought up here. I too did not agree with Rupert what he said about the projected image of the western world. Sometimes I wonder how can these so-called awakened beings talk in this manner when they know it all ? 🤔
@@swetabhushan798 because they see better than you and me. what really happen from a non-dual viewpoint is a bunch of vibrations of the primordial energy: no judgement is applicable to it, so this conversation is totally inconsistent. From the point of view of our human experience, it seems that words and ideas are relevant; in this perspective a thing is viewed as good or bad, and in this perspective I agree with Rupert in judging the western culture as an obstacle for people searching for truth, imho this is undeniable.
It is downright stunning for me how Rupert Spira walks the razor sharp blade of words to express that which cannot be expressed. I feel as if he had disected my brain atom by atom and then put it back together like pieces of lego. “….a thought that has naturally come to its end” Wow, just wow ❤❤❤
"If we did not conceptualize objects in the first place, we would not have to conceptualize awareness" Ground breaking statement!
Good pick up
But we DO conceptualize them, so the Path is to work from here 🙏🏾🌎💯😎. One could easily say, “If I had no arms and legs, and were just one cosmic eyeball 👁️… it would all look, or appear much different 🤷🏾♂️.
"As soon as you see something, you already start to intellectualize it. As soon as you intellectualize something, it is no longer what you saw.”
- Shunryu Suzuki
“I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I’ve been knocking from the inside.” - Rumi
Rumi was incredible. I wonder how many people we have had on Earth like him since his time.
@@oscar3490 I believe way more than we can ever imagine.
This is great!
There is no door to knock! Because there is no inside or outside🤗🙏
@@ozgursenturk11-11 right
There are no things, I.e objects, there is only the experience of things seeming to be objects within the field of awareness itself and since we are aware of this experience, we are awareness itself witnessing this unfolding.
so clear, thank you Phillip :)
I think and beleive it is like this: God (or the source of everything if you will) creates the sun when your apparent ”YOU” looks at the sun. The sun is just a reflection of your mind in exakt the moment the ”God” will show you the sun. When two apparent people is in exact the same place and looks at the sun... then this source (or God if you want) creates the sun for both to show the beauty. When then these people talks to each other about the beautiful sun... that discussion is also a reflection from this source. ”The source at the moment divided into two people talking”, but in the reality ALL is ONE and this ONE seems to be dualistic. Informed by the source, but just appeared as a false thing (the sun) in the separate mind!! What do you think? Or in other words: There is only ”a sun” when the source appear as ”a sun” to the apparent mind... but in reality there is no sun, just a thougt of a sun in a human mind, that takes that form from an energy and the energy is only the informativ tool from the source👍🙏! Namaste, and keep shining😃🕉
@@steffehjertquist So much for me to learn (comprehend). Here's one, I'm sitting at my computer not looking at The Milky Way. Is The M W there? Not for me (my perception) but IS it THERE? I say yes.
Is it there when a million people look at it? Yes. So what is it when no one LOOKS at it?? An object? Suspended in space (universe). Olowly R does it belong to a collective consciousness THAT created it eons ago? Or at some point. By relative gods. Other words before this Universe existed IT was slowly (evolving) by minds previous to ours. In eternity it can be this way. And when we came onto earth and look UP we see what was created from SOURCE and is somehow suspended there. ?? for its illusion that lasts with change ETC?
Beautiful. “Seeming”is tricky eh? Becuz of its vivid appearances? Thank you.
@@steffehjertquist: The sun warms us and makes things grow. It’s reality may be different than the way we understand it but…it’s mind-blowing really. I would never call the sun “a false thing.”
I know that relying upon substances for spiritual revelation is frowned upon, but I absolutely love listening to Rupert while stoned. My whole being is just like, "Yes, of course."
‘Reality is neither something nor nothing. Our finite mind can only think within opposites.’ 🙏
Your mind, if you have one, is not in your head. Your head is in your mind. Alan Watts.
Both, your head & mind, are in the Pure Awareness that You Are
'If you have one' 🤣🤣
Best part was the beginning where he's basically saying,..."where's the dividing line between here and there?"...
Johnny Little the distance between here and there is the letter T
I struggled for many years trying to understand this fundamental concept of non duality until I heard a video of Rupert saying that this world is a dream In God’s mind. As long we considere that we are a separate self The world will seem to be real. No logical explanation You will not realize you were dreaming until you awake.
So many concepts we wrestle with. What helped me is getting past the ideas that consciousness is something “I” possess. Well, I say getting past is but that’s not really true. The sense of the separate self is still very strong.
Great comment!
God's consciousness is such a creative imagination that it becomes so called the physical reality in our terms.
Dear Rupert, I share completely your appreciation of western culture, something is so wrong with it and this is alone proof for what you teach us. Thank you so much for your videos.
How could you not love Rupert!❤️. His lucidity is wonderful!👍.
Absolute legend. The Truth of our true essence is spoken here. Thank you for ripping apart the ego delusions for us all.
Does anyone else gets a kind of vertigo when momentarily glimpsing truth? It’s like standing next to an abyss and yet its here and now.
Yes. The second time I felt the vertigo, I laid down and let go of all resistance. As soon as I did, I became one with the abyss. It was more blissful than anything I've ever known. No drugs involved, either!
I also have this , not quite vertigo but very similar
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Yes. As the story goes, when the Buddha realised the truth, he reached down to touch the ground to steady himself.
"Reality cannot be conceptualized. This is the ending of thought."
Rupert Spira can do it though. Can he really ? Or is he imagining it ? I'm not sure. ^^
@@moonglow6639 he doesn’t conceptuliaze reality, he experience reality and then shares his experience with us
Are we all living in mass delusion, if reality for everyone the same? If I see the ocean, and the others who are looking the the same ocean seeing the same, is it means that our conception of reality the same and I mean humans only?
It's nice to see this man has so much patience and is able to work with so many different minds these are the pointing out instructions to awaken to reality
oh my! 15:26 "the ego is a natural stage that we pass through" !! such a light view of the egoic status: we don't have to destroy it, only leave it behind...
Yes Retire it.
@@peterscherba4138 exact! :)
"Nothing is form, and form is nothingness."
This reminds me of an old zen koan. I am sure many of you have heard it. "Two hands clap and there is a sound. What is the sound of one hand?"
Victor Hori offered this insight: "in the beginning a monk first thinks a kōan is an inert object upon which to focus attention; after a long period of consecutive repetition, one realizes that the kōan is also a dynamic activity, the very activity of seeking an answer to the kōan. The kōan is both the object being sought and the relentless seeking itself. In a kōan, the self sees the self not directly but under the guise of the kōan ... When one realizes ("makes real") this identity, then two hands have become one.
The practitioner becomes the kōan that he or she is trying to understand. That is the sound of one hand."
Apply this to the notion of consciousness. Understand that we are all a beautiful paradox. Everything is awareness.
His examples are brilliant!
Thank you!
Rupert spira is one of the best teacher
Absolutely loved this video. Thank you so much for this valuable information. Lots of love from an Australian 🇦🇺❤
The object world seems real when you leave your house and are challenged by the objects, often in form of difficult people.
Also, when the questioner says, "My mind," (over and over), that is also a problem.
The mind is NOT personal. It is NOT "MY." The mind is impersonal. When we make our mind personal, we throw a huge monkey wrench into everything. I am NOT my mind. I am NOT my body. I am only "I."
The mind is just a tool so that we don't crash and burn in a linear circumstance.
When we identify with our mind (make it a "Me") then we become attached to it and cannot go beyond it, to where the understanding that we are seeking, IS.
Rupert,thank you a million times.
Thank you, Rupert. ❤❤
Profound explanation of conceptual thought in the domain of awareness.
Thank you, this is a crucial piece of the puzzle for me.
4:58 RS says show us the evidence. Reminds me of the story about Dr Samuel Johnson kicking the stone and saying I refute it thus. In other words, try putting your hand in the fire or try to walk through a wall... That demonstrates that there is reality as well as consciousness.
Simple words revealing deep truth
These modern day terms such as downloading and virtual reality always seem to be a metaphor for consciousness and awareness, I would be interested how somebody like Rupert would be able to describe before we had this computer age we now live in.
Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile.
I struggle as this woman does. If all experience is already in "one" awareness, how is it that ideas discussed are new to my experience? Why aren't they already known to me, already familiar to me? That is what makes me have the perception of a new object that is outside of my awareness.
Well, they are familiar to the undivided You (aka Infinite Consciousness), but once the undivided You divides Itself into separate selves (like you and me here behind these computer screens), It ceases to possess Its Infinite Omniscience.
I love where you take me Rupert.
This guy’s making it up as he goes along! LOL He starts out with the question ‘what is your experience’, and goes on to ask does she experience anything of the outside world (basically to support or prove that it’s really there) then he says: than seeing? He then pauses - like he’s almost forgotten to add; touching? (then another pause, lest he forgets totally about ‘hearing’!) So his arguments, beliefs whatever for me, are simply unfolding whilst he talks and thinks of them, which gives no substance or fact to what he is actually saying for anything he puts forward - let alone evidence of it... There’s nothing wrong with that, but when he puts HIS questions to others, he’s asking/saying, other than what they are explaining, do they have any real evidence - well, no more perhaps than he himself does!
Your mind is in every cell of your body. Your mind is a conditioning of what you have been taught. The mind become a conditioning of beliefs and the beliefs are NOT who you are!!
Here is my thing. All brains are actually antennas to perceive the what we call "Reality". Every brain has this capability. Even from animals. But what we receive as antennas? We receive consciousness. :) therefore we all come from this universal consciousness and what we call I is actually just this "downloaded Consciousness" going through the filters of our brain cells and interpreted by it, adding all flavours of experiences and social constructed ideas we have throughout our life. :)
Fair enough, that works on a secondary level.
(But on a primary level it doesn't, because primarily nothing actually exists; all of material existence is Infinite Consciousness's hallucination/dream/thought form. 'Our' belief that 'it' exists is just an interpretation.)
Since everything appears in and td me, I-aeareness, I and the so-called world are One. No world separate from me. I-awareness comes first. Without Me there is no word.
Thank you💛🙏
The debate between the notion of an outside objective world or a world inside your awareness has been the subject of debate in Zen monasteries for centuries, It is not "Western versus non-dual". Long time ago this discussion became the subject of a deep and profound Zen koan which leads the seeker to the realization that neither interpretation is correct. The answer is not knowable, in fact no one knows if we're not in fact all just plugged into a simulation. The good news is that true freedom is found in being at peace with not knowing. It seems that the non-dual path in Zen is slightly different than what Rupert teaches. It's about taking up residence in that place of not knowing and not needing to know. Suzuki Roshi once responded to a question about consciousness in this way: "I don't know anything about consciousness, I just try to teach my students how to hear the birds sing." The universe is a place of grand mystery, it's not necessary to have it all figured out to find peace.
6yrs now and still see it as a bad sales job, at least in the first have. You can’t force it or argue like a litigator to have someone ‘see’. All you get is acquiescence of the will. I mostly enjoy Rupert as he does fulfill a certain part of spirituality that no one else can do, this one just isn’t his best.
Appreciate this
You trying to figure it out pick it apart is all ego. There are no questions to be answered. Pure current experience is all we have everything else is of mind end of story enjoy.
Wow this one really helped my understanding
If you say it's "your" understanding then you need more help🤗🙏
'Nothing is form, and form is nothingness' is a concession to the belief that there are things (9:00-10:00). Then, there is the realisation that this belief, produced by consciousness, can be replaced by the realisation that colours, sounds etc are appearing out of consciousness.
Consciousness would not be be able to come up with colours, sounds, etc without employing thoughts, necessary to design the mechanics of perceiving colours, sounds etc.
Driving a car is most enjoyable without identifying with it or believing in it as a separate entity. However, the designers of the car had to invest a lot of thinking into the functioning of that car. Realising the formless does not invalidate thinking as a tool to maintain the mechanics (vibrations) of perceiving colours and sounds for the sake of entertaining consciousness. Luckily, there is no need for consciousness to forget itself to perceive colours and sounds, but it has to forget itself as soon as it assumes beliefs in separation.
+Dietrich Lasa Wow! that's deep very insightful!
Dietrich Lasa lmm
If our perception of the physical reality is mental why cant we change it? Like you would just imagine a different face and you'd see it then. But no matter how much you try to reinvent it mentally it just stays the same. Perception does occur in mind but the way structures are being percieved remain inert, repetitive and predictable. Why is that?
Spoiler alert - No there isn't an outside world. It feels like there is due to the human sense of seperation. In actuality you are everything you experience. The inner and outer are one indivisible whole 🤯🙏🏽
The outer is a reflection of the inner. Mirror.
My goodness, you said so simply and beautifully.
Deze is wel heel erg goed !
I know the outside world is there because it reciprocates seamlessly and appropriately, my actions upon it. For example my mother fed my hunger, even when I could not communicate it. Compare this with no evidence that the outside world is not there.
It's simpler to say that our life is just a dream, it's easier to understand the truth he is talking about when you know this. Don't let you be deceived from the extreme coherence, lenght and realistic quality of this dream but observe the synchronicity, the law of attraction, the deja-vu and the paranormal phenomena: they can all be explained if we admit it's just our shared dream. And when we fall asleep, we have dreams inside this longer dream. Who is the dreamer? Pure awareness...the void, there is NOTHING when the dream is over, just your/our awareness in peace and presence
"Just a dream": Such a demotion of being alive seems designed to satisfy some sort of dissatisfaction with being finite, ie. smacks of ego. Reality has meaning. Life is real. Life has meaning. Life can't be life without being finite. Thus the satisfaction of the one great desire to be is to be finite, for only then can meaning be manifest. There seems to be no universal dreamer, but we many selves do dream. But that our lives may be full of meaning, let us dream in a way consistent with the nature of what we are at every level of being which we can extend our awareness to. That is the discipline toward happiness, toward life as real and undemoted.
“It is the mind that dreams”
@@osvaldovaldes10009 , no, it is awareness imaging of being a separate self that is asleep and having a dream. What we call the mind, is just a collection of thoughts that are happening right now. 😘
good one :) thanks
"the program is downloaded from the sane source" mandela effect, shows that, the world is not concrete and actually changes "retroactivey" because is just a "program".
I'll admit; I don't know matter outside of my perception of matter through my senses. I can't possible argue with that. But what if both things are going on? My awareness only perceives matter AND that matter objectively exists? Why can't it be both?
in other words: 1) it’s all in you head, there is no world out there, 2) there IS a world out there but we can never know it, only our perceptions. Is that it? You really are saying #2....no?
Of course there is an outside world. We might not experience it in the same way but it's still there. We are in it, part of it.
Nothing does not exist. All is connected. Everything matters.
You matter. Never forget that.
Nobody knows all. Don't put people on a pedestal.
Don't detach too much. Next thing you know you'll become this person who acts like he's detached from all having left family and friends to persue his absolute and selfish detachment.
Balance is important. We all need to be loved and touched. If not, big problems will occur.
Don't make things more complex but instead make them clearer.
Good point! Good advice! Good is Balance and balance is good. Unless you're writing a book about going deeper down a rabbit hole...
Sound!
Nothing matters and everything matters
I like having family and friends but I also like being alone sometime.Probably wouldn't like either ALL the time
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Ra Ma: You missed the major part of the teaching and you put again the teaching into duality as if There is conflict between world and awareness
World and awareness are the same. You have to go outwards again.
It seems that the lady has not yet experienced the subtle sense of "being aware of being aware". Not yet realizing "awareness" presents itself as an intimate all-embracing presence and aliveness that can not be conceptualized. It's as if she is trying to fit conscious-awareness into an idea, or into an object. Immediately once the space of awareness is seen it's obvious it is beyond the minds comprehension. It's too present; too alive; too silent; too close; too non-objective; too open; too wondrous....
I have noticed with friends that when the question "are you aware of being aware?" is mentioned they instantly answer yes; but in any further discussion always seem to focus only on what they are aware of, and can not sense the awareness itself. It's like an alien concept.
I'm not trying to preach here. just clarifying things for myself. :-)
This is it.
I think knowledge of one’s awareness is a different thing to being aware of awareness.
Yes, and in meditation practice being aware of just being aware (Pure awareness) is ideal... and then thoughts, moods, stressful ones, etc come and go. This is when we go back to a SILENCE of just being aware, of being aware, and simply KNOWING this AS my true essence (I AM).
Excellent.
Thank you... ❤️🙏❤️
great teachings messages
Also, "I am confused," is NOT a good place to be in when we are trying to understand something. Letting Go of every form of negativity and resistance is the ONLY way to understand anything. Confusion is resistance. Let It Go.
how did I create this? and why?
falling for a man: obsessed with health and fitness.
and me? diabetic. fat. overweight: my whole life.
he's vegan.
I love meat.
he's a fitness trainer.
leisure walks are the only exercise I get.
I have a bad back, I can't do much.
fitness is far from my thing.
why would I do this to myself?
fall for a man that would/could never fall for me back?
I love all of Rupert Spira’s videos, yet often struggle with the volume. So many are difficult to hear. My numerical volumes on all devices are always at maximum. Is it actually part of the teaching that it be difficult to hear?
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The truth can be heard is not the eternal truth🤗🙏
Hey Pedro, maybe it's time to get better earbuds....what do you say? Pedro: I did get better earbuds!... Okay... and how is the sound now? Uhh,, much better, I can hear him now!
Fact : we only know the world through perception.
so that leaves 2 possibilities.
1. The world does not exist (only the perception of it).
2. The world does exist but we can only experience it through sense perceptions.
Because we only know the world via perception means it’s valid either way, but it does not prove anything. How do you know it? He says it’s conditioning vs experience. But the experience does not make it so, it just allows the possibility of it. Can you reach a place in experience that proves or strongly hints the truth? If so how? Will self enquiry bring you to that place? Can anyone help answer this?
Slow Seeker You can never be sure but lets say option 2 is right. There actually exists an outside world and all of the world beings perceive this world through our perception - then the fact that the "observer" in all of these people, the "I" is exactly the same - should give you pause and should let you consider very strongly the first option
Simon Levy I disagree. The repeatable experience of the same physical world (geography) through seven billion finite minds confirm the existence of the material world in a very real sense in a way that the subjective dream world never can. To equate the two is disingenuous at best. No one has perceived the dream world which my subconscious creates (towards ends that strongly correlate with experiences in my waking state). Yet, many people have experienced driving on the same road in the same direction to get to the same supermarket. You cannot brush this under the rug. When one chalks up existence to subjective experience, they must embrace the baggage that follows. The universe is underpinned by objectivity at the most fundamental *metaphysical* level. The only subjective experience is that of the objective world.
Well said, Slow Seeker , I'm with you.....either possibility could be true and to blame conditioning is just too simplistic to my way of thinking.
@@jeffrourke2322 yet in the dream world, the dream characters have all experienced the same dream world analogous to the real characters all experiencing the same real world
According to Yogacara Buddhism, when the Heart or 8th Consciousness, which is M-theory in string theory, arises in a new cycle (new life) it projects what seems to be an internal body and at the same time an external world or universe which is AdS/CFT in string theory where AdS is a contracting space or universe (for example our body's ability to heal and to grow by food intake) and CFT looks like the expanding universe we see in the cosmo. The reality is there's no inside and outside.
anyone know what breed Ruperts dog is?
Remind me to be careful when I step into traffic...
Dear Rupert,
A Course in Miracles says that God did not create the world. So how is it possible that being in the midst of nature makes it easier for us to feel God?
I wish Rupert would elaborate on this concept more rigorously. The Titanic is at the bottom of the ocean whether or not anyone experiences it. How do we know this? Through geographical coordinates. It’s existence in a particular location has been confirmed empirically by individualized finite minds over and over again. If there is no one to experience the ship, am I to believe that it’s existence in that location is manifested through the observance of infinite consciousness? Of course not, for the emergent material world can only be observed through the finite mind; Rupert’s words, not mine.
Therefore, there must be a reconciliation between the reality (in a literal definition of the word) of the material world and the existence of an infinite consciousness. It isn’t enough to say that the world does not exist but through the experience of said world. This would be to say that infinite consciousness has no awareness whatsoever of the vast majority of the physical universe, for 99.99% of it is unobserved. How does one account for this enigma? If a world is only manifest through a finite mind, than the entirety of the cosmos is completely superfluous. I find that too hard a pill to swallow. Either infinite consciousness has an agency that Rupert does not concede (yet must because finite minds exist: who purposed their existence?), or the relationship between consciousness and the material world is as of yet not understood properly.
I’m on board with awareness as a fundamental underpinning of the material body, and the material world. But the existence of the world is not properly explained through these same means.
It is not something or nothing just pure being. Just is.
This is a good one. :)
So if everything we know or experience of the outside world comes from awareness then awareness still has to conjure the object of awareness to be aware of it. Question is once we are aware that the objects are all in awareness can we change what we perceive as objects and can we change it not just for ourself but the 75 other people in the same room?
I am not questioning awareness or the need for awareness to experience any object, but where the disconnect is that while I can change the feelings or even hallucinate to change what I see, I can’t seem to change what the other person with me sees, feels or experiences. For example a mirage, once a group of people in a desert walk to the area of the mirage all realize at the same time there was nothing there. Why does that not happen with the world we experience?
Anyone had apeirophobia. all the talks about eternal bliss/Self is scary, something which never ends and just exist there forever and ever ?
I'm so fearful to be forced to exist in this world with its suffering for endless rebirth and just to enlightened and live forever and ever ?
Divine Being
Blessings
Lots of good comments here!.....so, why do we see seven billion similar daytime worlds but seven billion different night time dreams? It should be the same since it is the same consciousness, no?
nope...
Daytime the source to experience is same ...in dreams source to experience is created
It is the same. our finite minds think it's different.
Rupert has great insights and is very eloquent, and he's helped me to better understand our experience and consciousness as human beings. However, I find that dismissing the notion of a materialistic framework that defines our common world is somewhat misguided.
Interesting thought. Do go on.
Why do you think it's misguided?
interesting.. yet again
Oh damn I haven't thought of animals like that, that is such a pure experience exactly, and very similar to realisation but just well they are being
When a dear friend of Ruper dies, I imagine Rupert has a way of honoring that event, but I'd love to know how he would describe "what" it is he is honoring: the feelings/thoughts/sensations that he imagined were his friend...?
the Essence of Love that was his friend?
But Rupert would see the "was" as no different than all other tricks of ignorance. I'd assume. When he thinks of having coffee with his friend, would he really think that he was no longer in direct touch with that Essence of Love, always, now?
and I thought I was "deep", LOL :~)
I can't tell if your poking fun at me. But that's okay! :)
The Lost Scrapbook we live in a paradox of being pure awareness but responding with a bodymind called ego that senses loss.
Pure awareness resides in the sheer bliss of the love light it arises out of and gadly returns to.
i Sensuality Sublimely and/or Crudely exigency to the exclusion of all else want, shapes patterns and forms, scaled measured and labeled experience.
I feel the fearful-pain of wanting painless pleasure experience.
So, if the whole human kind disappears now ( with our feelings, perception and awareness) then, will the universe stop existing at the same time? I am just asking, cause this is hard to understand for me
Fascinating stuff! Isn't this Solipsism? I could be misunderstanding.
Solipsism is extreme egocentrism…which I believe stops, developing with the Ego. Spira elicits that the ego is a continuous pathway in gaining total awareness(?)
I hope that illustrates a sound theory to your query.
@@BushyHairedStranger definitely does thanks!
if awareness is all that is then where from does this conditioning that is apparently "a problem" come from?
Please edit the Transcript at 13:58 - Kindly clarify what is "shanku quoted the shank area saying real..." etc. I am afraid it is the name of the great seer
shankracharya
So it's all in my experience, everything. There is nothing outside of my experience. But what does it mean that other people are around and are they a product of my experience? I don't thinks so. They must have their own experience and they are experiencing me whenever I'm around. Does their experience make me up? No, I'm here and so are they. Each and everyone of them and so are all the other creatures like animals and also trees and flowers.
What does this mean?
Everything is energy. You are an energy field so when you are vibrating at a specific frequency, you draw people, things, situations which are a match to that. Which is why when you want something good in your experience, you gotta do energy work to attract better.
If everything is in our mind then why do we have eyes?👀
Brilliant
Ohhhh.. This guy is good!!!
The truth is that we do not know about the consciousness of animals. Maybe they attending closer than human to a state of awareness of being 16:15
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I hang on every word you say
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Baby I would rather be dead
Oh you're the best
I appreciate the talks of Rupert Spira. Sadly he makes the same mistake as many before him have by trying to hard to derive everything from awareness. When I am thirsty I prefer my real glass of water above Ruperts illusion of it. The water may be different from how I see it but the life saving effect it has on me is very real. Just one of the many examples I can give.
Jan Verhoeven: I did not understand what mistake you are talking about. Water is a life saving source. I do not see any contradiction what Rupert is saying. You can drink Your water.
Water is a given name
@@terefefeyssa877 May be you can follow the advice that Rupert is given in most of his talks: look at your own experience. But really look without being influenced by what he or anyone else is saying. You will find you as a feeling, thinking and acting subject and also you will find the outside world of objects, plants, animals and fellow human beings. Ignoring any part of it is, is my humble understanding, a false simplification that does not solve any real life problems.
@@JanVerhoeven-uit-gilze: You better step back and look carefully before You impose Your own belief. The direct path different form what you know so far. Just explore it with out unnecessary interpretation.
Do you understand what "direct" means in this teaching?
I agree that we are aware of the world only through our experiences of senses and not in reality. But then how do you conclude that world and things do not exist in reality, based on what experience??? at best we can only say I dont know if the world exists or not since I can only see through my experiences, we cant conclude. I am not getting this point, can someone clarify???
Sound logic I must say.I have no concrete answer.Perhaps ' I expierence therefore I am' But then what happens to me during deep sleep? Maybe as humans we can't know and just have to function in the shadow....maybe? maybe not🧐
Soundgarden, anyone?❤💥
Living a mind wake consciousness worldbeing itself.
So if the world doesn’t exist, how come we then can influence what happens in it, after we touched something and then let go of it, like throwing a ball and hitting a target, that then gives off sound, that we receive afterwards, without us actually touching it, how come the Ball doesn’t just disappear as soon as we let go of it?
If three are other entities and not just simulations .... there is a definitely an outside world otherwise these individuals wouldn't be having the same world. It's all happening through our perceptions sure but there's a constant of all of us seeing the same thing... Something is grounding us and that's the outside world and our limited perception of it.
Is our awareness like downloading the internet? awareness is like the empty space that we download from...and our bodies are like the computer?
*4:25** why don't we see the same night time dream?*
Ugh 😑 I feel like I’m hallucinating lol what a trip!!!
If this questioner would just LET GO of Wanting to Understand these things, the understanding would just flood in. When we think, "I want to understand," it's a condition of "wanting," or scarcity, of the understanding.
Just say, 'I Let Go of wanting to understand xyz. I allow the understanding to come to me."
This really really works.
We can't understand this concept with the logical mind. We must stop trying to do it. Because, like Rupert says, this subject is beyond the mind. We have to Let Go of the mind to understand this.
"I have no access to ..."
We are all omniscient beings, capable of accessing every form of knowledge and understanding. We must stop denying it. Just accept this about ourselves, and the understanding of this subject will automatically come to us.
When we are resisting the very thing we say we want to have, we are resisting the understanding.
If we would STOP wanting to understand things, the understanding will automatically come because we have removed the resistance to it.
We must stop trying to create an argument. That we consider understanding something is just so important... Understanding itself is NOT important. When we stop thinking that it IS important, the understanding will just come. Understanding will NOT come to the place where it's resisted.
There are NO dilemmas, except the ones we create.
Sit quietly on the couch and stay there until we can Let Go of all our dilemmas and mis-understandings. Just let go of all the resistance. All of the argumentitiveness. Then the understanding will come.
Also, Let Go of everything that we believe. Then understanding will come automatically. Truth comes where it is NOT resisted.
It really is so fun to let go of our reasoning mind for awhile to allow spiritual understanding to come. But, we humans, must always have a bone to pick :))))
Unless we don't (as Neale Donald Walsch would say).
We are all on the same journey together. Thank you, questioner and Rupert, for all of this amazing conversation!
How can one say there is no world out there?, if you really think so, touch a red hot iron rod and i would like to know there is no world out there !!!. Though what we experience in the dream is not real when we wake up, it is completely understandable, but the world i experience is real as i can touch, feel, eat, though it is ultimately experienced by consciousness/awareness. If i can touch an object and experience it, then there must be something other than me which i'm experiencing !!!!
Channaveera Swamy hes just saying that there is no objective world. This world we are experiencing is experienced through our human senses. A snake would experience the world differently just as a cat would experience the world differently. When youre in a dream you experience a world created by your subconcious yet its as real as the world we are in. This is what nondualists mean when they talk about maya; illusionary world. So really all there is consciousness, the world isnt really real.
Thanks when "The world is an illusion" is explained through an analogy like dream world it make sense, but the awake world looks so real, so as the dream world, but the awake world is very real, i can touch, i can feel, it so real.
I believe the other animals should also see the same world as we do, as we all share the same consciousness !
We all do share the same consciousness! I prefer to call it essence, awareness, or emptiness though, it is that which experience is projected upon. Kinda like how rupert once used the analogy of the TV screen and tv show to point at the awareness-experience connection. The analogy goes something like this: The TV screen is in stillness, unaffected by whatever contents that are displayed on it. Our awareness is like that, it is the still essence that observes this world (or experience for a better word) we are experiencing. everything is projected upon this nothingness. When you realize this and stabilize in that nondual state, life becomes pretty much like a movie unfolding (with varying intensities) , and you're watching this character play along the game of life.
How i see it is that consciousness is god itself experiencing itself through the eyes of a human, living beings share that same consciousness aswell. God likes to play with himself it seems haha :) Although many teachers say this isnt the end all be all, this realization is just a half truth of the big picture which i think it is the experience of god consciousness (knowing that everything is god in varying forms, including you and your consciousness, aswell as realizing her infinite nature). I only reside in the basic nondual state, which is pretty awesome by itself! nothing magical about it though, just a general contentness even when "I" am not content if that makes sense haha
Channaveera Swamy you are confused with senses and I . You are not your senses. If you stop sensing like become blind deaf or all five senses shut down then will you still be there? Without your senses there will not be any world but you will still be there as pure awareness.
So when you talk as if you are senses or body then of course world is real and if you have realised your true self then there is no world.
Oh, sure on some quantum level a chair isn't shaped AS a physical chair but we are in this POV...
what is the "outside world" ?
is what you're part of.
This is an illusion that arises spontaneously when we think that we are a separate self living inside this body mind complex
I'm still trying to decide if this is really profound teaching or just very clever sophistry. Some of the things he says resonate with me but with a lot of it I'm just like "what?"
Nitephall It's not sophistry. Follow the things you resonate with and you will eventually resonate with everything he says. He is crystal clear. I was also once in your position and I eventually came to see the truth he is pointing to. Good luck! :)
Rupert, you can't tell people to choose when their experience tells them otherwise. You have to "show" then. It's not a game of logic or convincing....and you of course know better
So his mind is at Rupert’s mercy?
The man does not posses free will?
@@deanmccrorie3461 he really doesn’t.
He’s just bad at selling the idea. My take is you can’t argue it like a litigator and get someone to shift their perspective.
"Why do you believe what Western culture tells you to believe about your experience?"
-Rupert says through a microphone based entirely on a western culture's experience that relies on things to exist outside of our perception
Because it was a cheeky bit of pure ideology
*It's so unfair to say "western culture" is the blame for materialism and poor treatement of animals.* Arabic countries still have huge slave trades. Africa is a living nightmare and all attempts to lift it up have failed. Asian countries treat humans like animals, and China executes hundreds of thousands of people every year.
This whol schtick about the west being so evil is wrong. Materialism is evil. This fantasy about india being this spiritual heaven is also wrong, much of it is very superficial. I wish people like this would aknowledge all the good they've received from being born in the west.
western people seems to be very touchy ;) (I'm italian ...)
@@ferdinandocoluccelli9574 and I am Indian yet I agree with his/her comment 😅 it's all about being fair and seeing things in a fair way I suppose...for we all are no different from one another. Our skin/hair colours, cultures, languages, etc. might be different but in actuality we all are human being residing on Earth which is supposed to be round/spherical. Then where is this so-called East/West we talk about. Moreover in duality, everything has its good as well as bad. None is perfect in its entirety. Oftentimes many places are projected in a certain way which may not, rather ARE NOT the truth completely....as he/she rightly points about the so-called western culture and also about India. I can confirm that because I stay here. Have been born and brought up here.
I too did not agree with Rupert what he said about the projected image of the western world. Sometimes I wonder how can these so-called awakened beings talk in this manner when they know it all ? 🤔
@@swetabhushan798 because they see better than you and me. what really happen from a non-dual viewpoint is a bunch of vibrations of the primordial energy: no judgement is applicable to it, so this conversation is totally inconsistent. From the point of view of our human experience, it seems that words and ideas are relevant; in this perspective a thing is viewed as good or bad, and in this perspective I agree with Rupert in judging the western culture as an obstacle for people searching for truth, imho this is undeniable.
Rupert. Don't Break the game ! :)
hahah
It's not a game because game implies rules, so it's just a play🤗🙏
Yes I get dizzy a little