*Nick Really just made us all want to put Kareem now ahead of LeBron!* 😂😂😂 Congrats Nick you played yourself! Jordan is 🐐 followed by 2.Kareem and 3.J 😂 Nicky really didn’t think this one through
Nick has to b like the most delusional LeBron fan ever.. Like Kareem played more games than any player that has ever played.. Kareem won 5 rings with Magic leading the way.. Got sweep twice with Worthy n Magic..his last few years..he couldn't run down the floor..it's was like watching your grandpa trying play gym ball with 25 year old in their prime..n lebron so overrated..like ray Allen said..he not the most complete player Jordan, Kobe, Bird or Hakeem were in they prime.. Individual he light a torch wit Mj or Wilt.. He never seen a 3 peat in his life..he depends to much on other players to finish the job for him..When Magic, Kareem, Mj, Kobe, Bird, n others where known to do alone when it was time.. Lebron hasn't pass Kobe n Duncan in my eyes..he not even a top 5 Goat yet.. 1.Mj 2.Kobe 3.Magic 4.Kareem 5. Bill Russell 6.Duncan 7.Lebron 8.Bird 9.Shaq 10.Steph
@@jaygreen2726 that’s all your opinion was worth since there was no real facts to be argued. The emojis I sent are equal to your paragraph about basically nothing. You could’ve wrote down, "I don’t like Jordan" and I would’ve learned just as much
no, nick made this list so that when LBJ passes KAJ, he could go on a rant that LBJ is the GOAT - Whats hilarious is that nick puts KAJ at one, even though ALL THIS TIME he has been saying LBJ is number 1.....shows his idiotic stance.
Nick Wrong slamming on MJ for winning 37 games with the Wizards at age 38. Mr. Wrong forgot to mention this fact. In the 2021-2022 NBA season, a 37-year old LeBron James led the LA Lakers to a 33-win season.
@@errrjuny I agree the Wizards team was complete but the level of of players are not the same. Do you take Kwame over Dwight? Ty Lue over Westbrook? Injuries are part of the game and Lebron still has Westbrook for the full season. Lebron himself was doing load management and didn't care about winning except gunning for the scoring title.
@@Black_Elmer_Fudd yeah how come you weren’t saying the season. Oh that’s right because he had a bunch of All-Stars on his team and he was like the third option or at least the second one. I love how Nick is trying to act like Kareem was the number one option and the reason that they made the finals 😂😂😂😂😂
@@DuckFanDane Kareem averaged 23.4, 6.1, 3.5, 1.6 bpg, 0.8 stls. Which is more pts, rbs, blks than Jordan averaged his age 38 season. Which he was fresh off of retirement. As you were saying...
@@bretditty858 He is, 6 chips in 10 tries, 6x MVP, all time points leader, 10X all-NBA first team, 11x All-NBA first or 2nd defensive team. He is by far qualified to be in that discussion of the greatest ever regarding being a valuable 2 way player.
@@bretditty858 I dont like the argument of having or not having someone on their team, if Jordan does not got Pippen, Lebrón Kyrie / Wade or bosh, and se can continue, it Is not an individual sport
Kareem wasn’t even the best player on 4 or his 6 rings that alone takes him out the goat conversation not to mention he got swept with Magic another top 5 player of all time
@@TheRadFactor im Brazilian and the best soccer player I actually watch play was Maradona and Ronaldo The phenomenon but if I had to rank players all-time for their accomplishments, accolades and individual success to me Pelé is the G.O.A.T with almost 1600 goal, 3 WC and only player in history to win back to back WORLD CUPS, case closed.
Yes he is under rated but extremely overrated in his list he is thought of as rightfully the third best player of all time. You can make an argument to go lower because for arguably four of his championships he was not the best player on the team
Well, his point is valid. Are we talking about his skills, his career (his total body of work), or are we talking about 6 specific seasons in someone's career? I actually love MJ, and I'm with you on skills and efficiency, but it is true that he abandoned arguably the best team ever for personal reasons. We give Kyrie heat for wat he's done his past few years, well MJ did the same thing guys. It matters, and I'm not saying yall are wrong. But it matters. If I get to draft a guy for 1 year, I pick MJ. BUT IF ITS HIS WHOLE CAREER, 20 YEARS LONG, ITS LEBRON AND KAREEM. Basketball matters to those two, and they did everything they could to win EVERY SINGLE YEAR. That's not only inspiring, it's wat makes a man a GOAT at his craft. Agree or not, it's the truth and you can do wat you will.
The GOAT question should not even be any form of debate Lebron had everything to over achieve Jordan but he stumbled and fell because he just lacked the extra spoon of special sauce.For Lebron Pride simply came before the fall. The moment Lebron felt in his heart he was the Goat is where he fell. Now hes going to end his career with less chips and a points record and the bitter taste that its quite possible in the next 5 years Little Steph Curry will likley eclipse his legacy at this rate.
Give me a freakin' break!! Jordan retired the first time because HIS FATHER WAS MURDERED!! His father wanted Micheal to play baseball. MJ retired so that he could please his father. I hate people who have opinions based on hearsay and not have the where-with-all to do some research!! Anybody who does ANY research would know that MJ blows away LBJ in almost every category except longevity. Let's not forget that LBJ has the most turnovers in a career... by a wide margin. And, he's also fourth all-time in average turnovers per game. Hang your hat on THAT LBJ!!
You're missing his point. I watched his 45 minute video explaining it. The point was he still has a playoff stat sheet when his team made the playoffs with 30 wins. The bulls made the playoffs 3 straight years without being 500° either. Took him till 90 to get out of the east and win anything. And the 12 year argument for Jordan also helps Nick's case, longevity matters.
@@OfficerJakeyPoo What ultimately matters is Winning and 6-0 beats every players record out there except for Bill Russell. Michael Jordan never had the luxury of playing with another top 20 player of all time and yet, he won two 3 peats. Longevity isn’t as important as Peak Value and Jordan had the highest peak of all time from 88-98, excluding the retirement break in-between. He was dominant individually and won at a historic pace.
@@OfficerJakeyPoo longevity only matters for total stats unless both guys win more than MJ did which they didn’t so in that case it actually hurts them not helps them…..if I told you right now I’ll give you this player and you’ll win 6 rings in 15 years or you can have this other player for 20 years but only win 4 anybody in their right mind is going with option A lmao
@@OfficerJakeyPoo and btw it took Lebron teaming up with wade and Bosh and still losing in the finals before he won his first ring so what’s your point about MJ not winning until 1990 smh
@@tomfassel6563 doesn't hurt them when I understand each of their situations. I agree with MJ being above Kareem personally, however with lebron longevity cannot go against him. Being able to play at this high of a level so long is simply something MJ could not physically do. Dude literally retired three times and was talking about retirement In 93. The physical toll of 10 finals while from 2003-2010 being the entire engine of a team whose organization couldn't get you any decent help while u actually made deep runs is something u must consider when talking about longevity. Longevity does not "only matter" for stats, that's simply an ignorant statement. Being able to be great in 3 different eras is a feat literally nobody has ever done. While consistently winning and performing at peak level, not just about stats. Context matters.
Nick Wrong just cannot get it right! His entire take is that Lebron played longer than Jordan. So what. Even after playing 3 or 4 more seasons than Jordan, Lebron still has not accomplished as much as the real GOAT.
People like Nick love to leave out the fact that LeBron played longer because he didn’t go to college, unlike MJ. That’s 4 extra years to accumulate stats.
@@_YourFlyIsOpen This is a great point. Lebron came into the league right from high school. Jordan missed three seasons BEFORE his NBA career even started, plus retired TWICE in his prime. The longevity arguments just aren't even remotely convincing to me, even if you grant every longevity point, it's not remotely enough to put Lebron above Jordan.
If you're an owner or GM you take 20 Yeats of greatness over 12 every day. I don't disagree than Michael's the GOAT but I don't blame people choosing longevity over peak.
In the 1975 season (38-44), the Bucks were 9th in offense, 8th in defense, 8th in net rating, 13th in points scored per game & 5th in points allowed per game. Kareem only played the last 65 of 82 games where they were 35-30 with him & 3-14 without him in the first 17 games of the season. They finished 4th in the Midwest Division & tied for 6th in the conference. It should be noted that the DET Pistons in their division @40-42 & NYK in the Atlantic Division in the East @40-42 both made the playoffs as the final seed (5th). Kareem averaged 30/14/4/1/3 in 42 MPG on 51% FG (13/24 per game) & 76% FT (5/7 per game) coming in 5th in MVP Kareem was 3rd in PPG, 5th in RPG, 1st in BPG, T-18th in APG, T-16th in SPG, 3rd in BLK%, 9th in TREB%, 4th in DREB%, 4th in EFG%, T-11th in TS%, 2nd in MPG, 2nd in WS (6th in OWS-8th in DWS), & T-5th in Defensive Rating that season. 🤷🏾♂️ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In the 1976 season (40-42), the Lakers were 7th of 18 in offense & 13th of 18 in defense; scoring the 3rd most PPG while giving up the 17th most. However, this team had a better record than 2 West teams in the Midwest Division-38-44 Bucks & 36-46 Pistons who made the playoffs as they were the top 2 in that division. The Suns in comparison were 42-40; 3rd in the Pacific Division and the 3rd seed in the West. Kareem also averaged 28/17/5/2/4 in 41 MPG on 53% FG (11/21 per game) & 70% FT (6/8 per game) with no All Star help that season 🤫 Taking home the MVP that year Kareem was ranked 2nd in PPG, *1st in RPG* , 11th in APG, T-11th in SPG, *1st in BPG* , 2nd in BLK%, 3rd in TREB%, 2nd in DREB%, 5th in EFG%, 8th in TS%, *1st in MPG* , *1st in OWS & DWS* , & T-2nd in Defensive Rating. ******************************** Firstly there was 18 teams-not 16 which is the reason why the 1st seeds in each conference had a bye to the ECSF & WCSF respectively to face the winner of the 4/5 matchup. 5 teams each make the playoffs in each conference-so 10/18 teams make the playoffs. 10 of 18 teams in 1976 were under .500, ranging from 40-42 LA Lakers & *Eastern Conference* HOU Rockets to Western Conference Chicago Bulls @ 24-58. At the time both conferences were separated by 2 divisions. In the West, all the 4 Midwest Division teams had a worst record than the Lakers. The Lakers *(4th in Pacific, 4th in West)* had a better record than 2 West teams in the Midwest Division- 38-44 Bucks *(1st in Midwest, 5th in West)* & 36-46 Pistons *(2nd in Midwest, 7th in West)* who made the playoffs as they were the top 2 in that division--but were the 4th & 5th seeds in the West First Round Playoff facing against each other 🤔 The Suns in comparison were 42-40 *(3rd in Pacific, 3rd in West)* Prior to 2005, NBA division champions were seeded higher than the other teams in their conference, regardless of their record. Prior to 2004, when the NBA was aligned into two conferences with two divisions each, the division champions were guaranteed the top two seeds. This meant that top two teams in a conference (by record) would be seeded either first and second (if they were in opposite divisions) or first and third (if they were in the same division). Because of the NBA playoffs' preset matchups in the second round, this meant that the top two teams in a conference could never meet until the conference finals, assuming they both made it to that round. ******************************** First off the NBA went to 4 divisions across 2 conferences for the first time in 1971 with an increased number of teams. In 1970, there was 14 teams separated by 2 conferences *(East & West)* In 1971, there was 17 teams separated by 4 divisions into 2 conferences *(East: Atlantic & Central, West: Midwest & Pacific)* Eight teams still qualified, four from each conference. Hence, the division semifinals and division finals came to be known as conference semifinals and conference finals, respectively. The top two teams in each division qualified as the Eastern Conference, comprising the Atlantic and Central divisions, while the Western Conference consisted of the Midwest and Pacific divisions. The first place team from one division would face the second place team of the other division within their conference. In the conference playoffs, a division winner always held home-court advantage over a second place team regardless of record. *71’ BOS (44-38): 3rd in Atlantic; 3rd in EAST* *71’ PHO (48-34): 3rd in Midwest; T-3rd in WEST* *71’ DET (45-37): 4th in Midwest; 4th in WEST* All due to an outdated rule missing out on playoff basketball. Instead in the East, You had a *42-40 Bullets team (1971 Eastern Conference Champs; 1st in Central & 4th in East)* make it *(Central Div. Weakest That Season)* alongside a *36-46 Hawks team (2nd in Central, 5th in East)* ____________________ In the West, you had a *48-34 Lakers team (1st in Pacific, T-3rd in West)* and a *41-41 Warriors team (2nd in Pacific, 6th in West)* *The only two years where this “problem occurs” since the expanding into 4 divisions separated by 2 conferences is 1971 & 1976-the year before the merger that added a 6th seed 🤔*
@@dimitrythomas4158 We don’t know that for sure nor do we know how those players would last in that hypothetical timeline of the NBA. No factor of injury or teammate presented by you.
My favorite MJ fact that not many ppl know: Jordan was age 38 turning 39 during his 1st year with the Wizards. A year older than current Lebron. During that 1st year with the Wizards Jordan averaged : 22.9 PPG 5.7 RPG 5.2 APG .416 FG% .790 FT% However, for his first 46 (pre-injury) games, he averaged: 25.1 PPG 6.2 RPG 5.3 APG .420 FG% .790 FT% in 36.8 MPG And his last 14 (post-injury) games, he averaged: 15.7 PPG 3.8 RPG 4.8 APG .391 FG% .787 FT% in 28.4 MPG What I found most interesting though is that as the season progressed and MJ played himself into shape and shook off the 3 year retirement rust - he was playing better and better. For his last 20 games pre-injury he averaged : 27.5 PPG 6.4 RPG 5.2 APG .440 FG% And for his last 10 games pre-injury he averaged a blistering : 29.7 PPG 6.6 RPG 6.1 APG .470 FG% Those are some crazy, crazy numbers for a dude who at this point was a month or two away from being 39 years old and coming back after three years removed from the game of basketball - and during early 2000s when it was a much slower pace than today's NBA.
Awesome research my man a lot of LeBron fans are going to hate seeing someone dominate the game at that age before LeBron did it but these are the facts. Throw in another caveat of modern medicine and therapy vs that time In sports too
Kareem is a top 3 player all time but he is not better than MJ who is the GOAT or Lebron. Broussard explained the reason, the NBA was not expanded and half of the good players played in the ABA back in the day.
Actually Lebron number 1 he is the 🐐 it seems that everyone is mad just because he picks MJ at number 3 now people think that is disrespectful just MJ fanboys
@@ΚώσταςΠαππάς-φ7ζ NBA>ABA why Kareem is top 3 if he play in a weak era like you said you are just contradicting yourself also Nick Wright was telling facts about Kareem while Chris Broussard really never give an argument just screaming to him saying he was wrong but never explained why
I absolutely think Jordan should be #1 and Nick is just being petty because he wants to make it seem like there is a gap between Lebron and Jordan. But my god some people take these GOAT discussions too seriously.
Kareem and Magic. The only top 5 players that gets a pass for playing for each other for the majority of the careers, But MJ doesnt get a pass from haters for havng Pippen who's ranked outside the top 30 for many including Nick Wright. lol.
@Eternal Boss Rules i agree. never said they were worse. But we never hear " magic had kareem or vise versa " . They should keep the same energy with Jordan.
MJ at 38 going on 39 years old with a terrible roster led the Wizards to 37 wins. Lebron at 37 with Westbrook and AD led the Lakers to less wins this past season
The gave up their bench for what ever reason, Russ wasn’t horrible but overall bad, AD was injured and Franky V who won a championship with them got fired. Lebron at least Offensively played well. Probably motivated by that all time scoring record. He still looks like a top 5 player even tho they didn’t make the playoffs.
@@jon401 MJ is better at any age than LeBron. The only reason LeBron is in the conversation is because he got 3 extra years of youth and prime by not going to college, while MJ wasn't allowed to do that. Also, I think it's hilarious that James a guy who's taller, bigger, and is a small forward playing out of position as a guard is still trying to catch up to MJ, a true shooting guard who didn't rely on 3s or bully ball. In fact, he's the one who got smacked around. It's too bad these young folks didn't get a good look at Jordan. They'd realize what a weak replacement James is.
@@Tojohiruma Really dude? Lebron had a super team and were the odds fav. to win. Lebron felt out give up on the series. Losing happens but it's the way he lost is why people get on him. Jordan might have not gotten out the 1st round but he never quit like Lebron. Go look at Jordan's number, he never scored no 8 pts in a finals like Lebron.
That's Finals was an Epic collapse by Bron and that's with his superteam he created to try and win an easy ring. Disgraceful and disqualified from any Goat conversation.
*Nick Really just made us all want to put Kareem now ahead of LeBron!* 😂😂😂 Congrats Nick you played yourself! Jordan is 🐐 followed by 2.Kareem and 3.LeBron 😂 Nicky really didn’t think this one through
Kareem has same amount of rings and number one in points in nba history, also he has 10 final appearances to Jordan’s 6, Jordan isn’t the GOAT, why couldn’t jordan be number one in points? Just wasn’t good enough I guess lol
@@matthewm6123 Jordan’s peak was better than anything lebron and Kareem did let’s not act like Kareem wasn’t winning most of that with another Top 5 player of all time and the best PG of all time. Kareem has same amount of rings 4 less FMVP 1 more MVP 1 less DPOY in a league that was built for big men. MJ was by far the best player on his team each title he won Kareem can’t say that. Mj really had 11 FULL prime seasons and look what he did.
Nick made LITERALLY the exact opposite case for why Magic Johnson is clearly the greatest Laker ever over Kobe, as well as Duncan on his list. It was all about the finals he got in such few seasons, and because he’s trying to make finals appearances a thing, how many finals appearances he had in so few seasons. He talked about per game stats over the accumulation of them is why clearly Magic was a better passer than Stockton, (which btw I’m from Utah and was at Michael’s final ring where he broke my heart). Anyway, I just think it’s funny once he gets to where Lebron obviously should and would land on his list, he switches it to the accumulation of stats over per game one’s, and rings won where you weren’t the main reason behind those rings are equivalent to, well for example all six of Jordan’s.. It was all about how much he did in such a short career, now it’s been switched cause Lebron got to come first and to do that accumulation of stats and how many times you came in second place (or in Nick terms “finals appearances”) is what you have to make your case, and if your going to do that then you gotta consider Kareem..
Magic did almost as much as Micheal in a shorter time, magic is the definition of ultimate winning in a short time not MJ, the reason he's higher than Kobe is because he was a better player than Kobe, but he's not a better player than Michael Keeram or Lebron, and because he didn't play as long as those guys he's not better than, he can't be ranked higher, if you want to understand people's thoughts and opinions, you have to actually listen
@@samuelgaona7196 Magic almost did as much as Michael did in a shorter time!?!?!?? Magic 13 years 5 titles 8 loses Jordan 15 years 6 titles 9 loses There you are correct HOWEVER Leading the league in any category Magic 6 Jordan 13 MVPs Magic 3 Jordan 5 Final MVPs Magic 3 Jordan 6 DPOY Magic 0 Jordan 1 All defensive team Magic 0 Jordan 9 So no Magic did not almost do everything Jordan did 🤷🏾♂️
@@Tonio5100 fair enough and that's why Micheal is ahead of magic, but my point was mainly about the winning, won just as much as MJ in less time, good points tho
@Tong Zou I listen to all type of basketball podcasts ALL THE TIME and I've never heard anyone say Stockton is better than Isiah.... Link me to some videos of people saying this and the argument they using 🤔
Nah it's just a bunch of out of context cherry picking like Nick normally does. Kareem is the only supposed GOAT candidate to miss the playoffs twice in his prime, and wasn't even the best player on half his championships. That alone excludes him from being in Jordan's league.
nah, nick is being disingenuous. he’s made and shown us countless list before ab his top players ever, and literally every time he has jordan ahead of kareem but now suddenly doesn’t 🙄
Yeah I rate Kareem that high but I rate Lebron real low like number 9. If you are giving Kareem all this praise, then what the heck type of argument will you have for Lebron's weaker GOAT resume???
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar played 16,436 minutes more than MJ did and had 6,095 more points than MJ. That scoring record would've been shattered if MJ had played half that minutes in his prime.
And how many attempt do u think MJ have to do in order to get that 30ppg. Now compare it to Kareem and u will see who is more effective and efficient if u dare to honest to urself. You really disrespect Kareem make it seems everyone can play for 20years. Longevity is different level Kid, u will understand this when u get older later. U need a lot of sacrifice, persistent, patience and ton of hardwork. Thats why when u talk about best scorer, people not gonna undisputed MJ cz his 10times scoring champions. People are gonna say Kareem(skyhook) or Kevin Durant (versatility to score from anywhere). And also consider someone like Lebron James what can he do on court with ball on his hand. He know how to convert ball to assist or score it himself..
This is what I dislike about Nick. He’s so biased and it’s crazy that he doesn’t see it. Kareem at 37 and 40, had Magic Johnson and James Worthy, guys that are HOF in their primes. Then guys like Bob McAdoo, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, etc, as role players. That’s not what MJ had in the Wizards
NBA HISTORY most ring - bill russell - 11 most points - kareem - 38,387 most dominant - wilt (hold most nba individual titles) most accomplished basket baller ever - kareem ( won in high school / college / pros
@@OfficerJakeyPoo they all have those in their respective eras. It was Wilt then Kareem came in a younger version of wilt. He was the eye test in the league back then
since the 2011 Lebron has been on the best run this league has ever seen he’s had 9 finals appearances in 10yrs u have to go back to bill russel back in the 50s, 60’s whose team had 8 HOF and the league had 8 teams to see such dominance lol, LBJ is doin with the toughest competition ever the league has 30 teams and basketball is more globalized than ever so the pool of talent in the nba is the best ever filled with the best athletes in the world so yeah what LBJ has done is second to none. how is LBJ not the goat that’s the question, makin 6 finals in 15years in a watered down era when nba had 6 expansion teamsisnt that impressive, mj needed Phil Jackson and pippen and he understood that too cuz as soon as his coach got fired in 98 and he had a chance to play for a new coach, what did mj do ? He quit and retired ʟɪᴋᴇ ᴀ ᴡᴇᴀᴋ sᴀᴜᴄᴇ while LBJ has taken 5 head coaches to the nba finals 4 of them rookies ffs and has won with 3 different franchises. By the way b4 Phil and pippen mj was 1-9 in the playoffs and couldn’t get out the 1st round😂🤣 while LBJ was gettin to the finals as a 3rd year player ❗️ sᴋɪᴘ and rob talks about LBJ finals losses but lemme ask u since when gettin swept in the first round became better than losing in the finals so this notion that LBJ havin 6 losses is the worst thing in the world is a false narrative , when u’re able to take a bunch of cadaver to the finals,(LBJ did it 2007,2018) as an underdog and lose its an accomplishment , just gettin to the finals is an accomplishment all itself, it means u are a division champion which u get a trophy for and get to represent ur conference in the finals so yea LBJ still got 2 or 3 prime years ᴜ left the way he played his 19th season by the time its all said and done LBJ’s career is gonna be miles upon miles better than Jordan cuz LBJ actually never quit the sport twice like MJ , LBJ has been 19 years of greatness and counting enjoy haters❗️
We need to find a way to get this guy off the air ways talking basketball. Theres absolutely no situation where I find anything he says credible at all
Guy played 12-13 seasons but somehow only 6 count. Kareem dominated in high school college and pro yet MJ’s 6 yrs of winning trumps all that. It’s BS and a Jordan bulls fan
@king cat!!!!!! "don't know basketball" is an overused statement with no real argument being made. The fact is Luka haven't done anything of significance in the NBA. Maybe he's better but hasn't proven anything.
He's not, that chart was garbage. Like Nick said. He talks about winning and Kareem has the same number of rings as Jordan and more appearances in the Finals. Like I've always said MJ didn't play just 6yrs he played 15yrs, so what happened the other 9yrs?
Jordan had Pippen and Rodman Kareem had Oscar Magic Worthy Lebron had Wade Bosh Davis Kyrie Westbrook as HOF teammates OTHER all star teammates Jordan had............ Kareem had Norm Nixon Jamaal Wilkes Lebron had Big Z Mo Williams Kevin Love How does Jordan receive the LEAST amount of "help" but achieve MORE than Kareem and LeBron but somehow he's considered the 3rd best of the bunch 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@dannyfonseca07 So was Rodman but since Jordan STILL WON people NEVER bring it up he was 37 and lost his starting job at one point during the season by 98 🤷🏾♂️
How does Jordan achieve more than Lebron and Kareem with less help? Jordan’s competition in the finals wasn’t all that great tbh. But I still have him #1.
It’s funny how Nick uses this argument for Kareem over jordan but if you use it for Kareem over LeBron it’s not even close but Nick won’t do that obviously bc then it really wouldn’t be close
I thought Kareem got unfairly fouled out in that 76ers series. After watching the game, I thought the refs were highly critical of Kareem and some foul calls seemed wrong. Holding that series over Kareem negatively is wrong.
Kareem is my goat! Dude was a record six-time NBA Most Valuable Player (MVP), a record 19-time NBA All-Star, a 15-time All-NBA Team member, and an 11-time NBA All-Defensive Team member. He was a member of six NBA championship teams as a player and two more as an assistant coach, and was twice voted NBA Finals MVP. He was named to three NBA anniversary teams (35th, 50th, and 75th).[1] Widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time,[2][3][4] often named a top 3 player in NBA history,[5][6] he was called the greatest basketball player of all time by Pat Riley, Isiah Thomas, and Julius Erving.[7][8][9]
He's my goat too. He had the best career from high school through the NBA. The never say kareem vs Jordan but I make the argument for that debate all of the time.
As a 38 year old man to me MJ is the greatest basketball player ever. HOWEVER KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR IS GROSSLY DISRESPECTED I actually have him 2nd in my top 20 list and lebron 3rd... So I'm not tripping on Nick with this I respect it 🤷🏿♂️ Chris tripping a little with his take on this (my opinion)
Yeah Chris Broussard really never had an argument only that graphic Nick Wright tell a lot of facts about Kareem i was surprised about Chris Broussard actitud since he was screaming saying how Nick Wright was so wrong without telling an argument
@@THE1BELOWANDABOVEALL Another MJ fanboy did you are mad just because your lover is 3rd all time 😂😂😂 even if your argument is that Broussard brings that graphic that was his only argument he was really screaming and crying to Nick Wright saying he was wrong without telling an argument at least Nick Wright brings a graphic plus spoke a lot of facts about Kareem being over Jordan he also brings something else and was SportsCenter picking MJ as the greatest college basketball player of all time over legends like Kareem and Bill Russell and Wilt and Magic and even Bird all this 5 players are over MJ as a college basketball player this just proves how MJ fanboys are the most stupid and bias of all time that is exactly what SportsCenter is and also how ESPN for the most part is and much others that is how the media influence and brainwashed a lot of people always talking about MJ being the best when he is not
1:45 "Michael Jordan did not play 15 complete seasons". What? So in Nick Wright's criteria for a GOAT, the player must play more than 15? Bill Russell, Magic, and Bird didn't do so either and they are GOATs. I'd think a player must play more than 10 years, win 3 or more titles while staying above .500 in the Finals, and create dynasty in that span. But heck, that's what LeBron failed to do.
Nick’s argument actually puts LeBron in 3rd place. Broussard got him on the ropes as always when the argument comes to Jordan. There is no question that MJ is 1. LeBron’s achievements don’t rank higher than Jordan’s and neither does his prime. Kareem’s prime isn’t even comparable to Jordan’s when he missed the playoffs as Broussard mentioned. The only thing Nick has as an argument is longevity and that is definitely not good enough to put Jordan number 3.
and jordan quit on his teammates during his prime after winning, id understand after a loss, but mans so weak, he couldnt handle the grind, hes a quitter, his own words was close to a burn out
Longevity must be a big part of the equation. Wilt Chamberlain was the most dominant player ever for one season, but that does not mean he is the best overall. If Michael Jordan was by far and away the best ever, then he would be the career points leader, and he is not. Michael Jordan is popular, rich, and has a "cool" factor, but that does not mean he is the best ever.
@@youraverage90sguys7 but yet ppl just add that to the fairy tale like quitting for 2 yrs dont count. They can say he was on the greatest team of all time but everyone else got more help than mj. Ppl so delusional
@@youraverage90sguys7 man’s weak? His father died that summer and his father always wanted him to play baseball so he left basketball to give his father’s wish a try. You really should do your research before you judge someone.
@@deanalbertson7203 Wilt’s dominance lasted for multiple seasons and if you don’t think playing at a historical level for 12 years is longevity after going to college, you really have some problems. The man walked into the league as one of, if not the best player. Averaged over 30 for 8 years, including 3 season over 33 a game. He has the highest player efficiency rating ever despite his “weak years” in Washington dropping that average. Karl Malone is 3rd all-time in points and never led the league in scoring. So according to you he is not only in the argument for being the GOAT but he is also a better scorer than Jordan. And with that argument Larry Bird and Magic Johnson might not even be hall of fame worthy.
I am a huge Kareem fan I think he never gets enough credit these days. That being said I would take MJ over him every time. In their primes MJ was better. A lot of Kareem accomplishments are because of his longevity not necessarily because he was a better player.
@@asieduy that’s a poor analogy and you know it. Greatest is about peak. Longevity brings in a whole hosts of outside factors that don’t indicate skills, or impact on winning. No one says I wanna be second. No one tells their boss no to a promotion because they prefer getting paid less. No one strives for their kids to be a follower. You don’t tell your daughter to date lower than the best she can.
First of all, calling someone the second or third best person in HISTORY at a thing is not an insult. Kareem was absolutely a monster. I have no problem with anyone bigging up their guy but if you’re going to say “x is better than Kareem because Y,” it’s wrong. It’s got to be a judgement call because there’s nothing he didn’t accomplish.
@@fundy023 It was no big deal for Kareem to have been outplayed by Moses Malone in 1983 because he was 28 years old and in his prime Kareem was 36 years old and to add to that 3 tears later he was outplayed by Olajuwan at 39 just shows your how lame Brousard is He refers to himself as the elderly wise one but really I think not
@@albertparson5097 Right? And the reason I think it’s an insult isn’t because it is to everyone. But Kareem was without a doubt the goat before MJ and Lebron so for him to see himself go from #1 no doubt to never being higher than 3 by most analysts has got to feel like trash. And then these Michael Jordan apologists making it seem like he was perfect. He’s allowed to miss seasons and do this and that but nobody holds it against him. In every other sport longevity is one of the key factors. Nobody calls Tyson the greatest boxer of all time even though he had probably the best/most exciting prime. They’re all beyond amazing but when it’s this close it’s fair to nitpick every little thing but when only lebron and Kareem get any criticism how can you call that a fair argument?
I believe Nick just does this because he has been so invested on James being the goat, so he sticks with his take. But it’s okay, people already know who is the real goat.
Last time I checked, Kareem was asked if he was better than Jordan, he answered, no but I am effective as him. Nick and his fans cover their ears and eyes conveniently
Mj went to the Bulls and made them a dynasty. End of story. 2 3peats, 10 scoring titles, 5 MVPS, 6 Finals MVPS, DPOY, 9 time all defencive team, 2 times steals title.Highest scoring average. Total points says nothing. All time most efficient player. The scoring average and efficiency matters
@@kanestra8upmenace251 Not truth Bulls are considered the greatest team of all time for a reason Jordan never won without Pippen at least Kareem won in Bucks without Magic also MJ had Pippen and Phil Jackson and great shooters and clutch players around him like Kukoc and Kerr and also the greatest rebounder in the last 40 years at least named Rodman so yes he had much more help than Kareem had in his career
@@paulrodriguez2337 ok let’s start 6 championships Kareem to 6 championships MJ (Mj never lost a final and never went to game seven). In all 6 Finals MJ got the MVP and was the best player of his time. On the other side Kareem was only 2 times MVP. . This alone says it all . Kareem was not even the best player of his team. I don’t have to go to the 10 scoring titles of MJ versus 2 of Kareem and other individual accolades that MJ is better than Kareem, Kareem is totally overrated. He should be outside the Top 5. In his peak Shaq was WAY BETTER than Kareem. Not to forget that Kareem was ridiculed 2 times by other centers. In 1983 Finals where the lakers lost 4-0 from the sixes and Moses Malone made fun of him - go check the stats and in 1986 western conference finals against the Houston Rockets from Hakeem the dream
@@georgekontogouris6618 Ok You are again ignoring all the facts that Nick Wright said about Kareem you are just going by whatever you like i will not debate with you about Kareem stats and accomplishments just go to watch the video and see Kareem accomplishments and what he do in his career only thing i will said in response of your thing about Shaq you need to be a dumb person to put Shaq over Kareem everyones know that Kareem is much greater Shaq really didn’t do much in his career what he do without Kobe just tell me he never accomplished a lot also in response to what you said about Kareem getting swept and dominate by Moses Malone like common MJ got swept in the 1st round thrice 😂😂😂 he got dominated by Larry Bird he was just a loser before Pippen came there and before he had a great team he also retired twice so he quit from basketball since he had no longevity Kareem just play and dominate for his whole 20 years career he was the best player for over a decade i am talking about from the 70s to starting at the 80s he also won 6 MVP and could won DPOY multiple times but the award didn’t exist in that time also remember MJ miss playoffs with Wizards and the best prove about he doing nothing without a great team is first years with Bulls he never make the Finals and win championship until the Pistons got old also with Wizards he miss playoffs and got bad games and i don’t want excuses of him being 38 years old because at that age Kareem became the oldest FMVP in history and at 40 years old he was competing in the Finals while MJ was missing playoffs and getting forget by people 😂😂😂😂
@@paulrodriguez2337 it’s the only thing you have to say because you have no arguments. stupid facts of Nick. Always avoids mentioning the serious facts that separate the Goat from the Greats . Keep listening and o stupid Nick
Greatness is making the play when it counts Greatness is Winning 🏆 Greatness is leadership Greatness is dominating the league Greatness is never being dominated Greatness is making jaw-dropping plays in the heat of big games Greatness is Michael Jordan
that's not an argument, it's a bad love poem to Michael Jordan. Here's some questions why is he better than Kareem, who has the same number of rings, more league MVPs, scored more points, at a higher shooting percentage, pulled down more rebounds, more blocks, only averaged a little than one fewer assists per game. Or why is Jordan better than Chamberlain, who one year averaged 50pts and 20rbs per game, who once averaged 48.1 minutes per game, who one year lead the lead in assists. Or why is he better than Russell who had 11 rings in 13 years, and 8 in a row?
@@robotclark I can answer that: propaganda. Jordan's biggest fear is being forgotten and these people don't even know what came before him. Let Kareem get a documentary on Netflix. Let people see what wilt did.
And this is why I consider Nick to be slippery and disingenuous. He is just blindly biased for Lebron, the shepherd of the "blind witnesses" to reluctantly use a Skip reference.
@@kybernetic8 but what he said still is a fact you can’t counter the argument that kareem had a better carrier than MJ kareem is like Duncan Kobe comparison Duncan is better than Bryant but a lot of people take Kobe because he was electrifying
@Tong Zou he picks and chooses when the Lebron is goat narrative suits his conversation. In this one I don’t think the year after missing the playoffs he could convince everyone Lebron is #1, but saying Kareem instead of Jordan is better makes him seem “less” biased, knowing the second Lebron passes Kareem in scoring Nick will elevate him to goat. He’s essentially reinventing the goat argument by throwing Kareem in there to make it seem like Jordan and Lebron fans can meet in the middle knowing when Lebron passes him it’ll be easier to convince people Lebron is the goat
Jordan haters (like Nick) only ever have one thing to fall back on to take Jordan off their #1 spot, and it's always about total stats. That's all it ever is. Can't be about winning: Jordan has won more and in less chances. Can't be about per game stats, especially on scoring: Jordan the most. Can't be about all around game: Jordan 10 scoring titles, 9 all defense in basically 11 full seasons of his prime (Kareen only 2 scoring titles, Lebron 1). Can't be about advanced stats: Jordan 28 PER vs Kareen 24 PER, Kareen .224 WS/48 vs Jordan's .250. There's just nothing to the arguments to have Kareen or Lebron above Jordan other than that they played 20+ seasons. That's it. That's the only thing you can say to rank them above Jordan, and I'm sorry, it just doesn't do it for me. At all. Not even factoring in the fact that Jordan retired TWICE in his prime.
against worn out teams? Not to mention having all time great teammates? Didnt he get bounced off 1st round everytime scottie wasnt there? but yea stay delusional.
@@pepegachamp684 What worn out teams? Jordan played with one franchise player in his career. Jordan led the Bulls out of the 1st round with a rookie 8th man Pippen, rookie Pippen started zero games, no All-Rookie team and wasn't even the best rookie on the Bulls. How many 1st round exits does Pippen have without Jordan despite joining Hakeem and Barkley and a stacked Portland team?
Nick kinda presents too much evidence and NOW LeBron looking like he doesn't belong 2nd all time either as REAL FANS already knew he wasn't better than Jordan or Kareem and LeBron actually belongs in the crowd with Magic Duncan and Kobe 🤷🏾♂️
@@romondoellison1332 The man just had HOFer as teammates and had a WORSE record than Jordan on the Wizards with Kwame Brown & Tyrone Lue 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@romondoellison1332 Jordan only needed ONE star teammate to win SIX titles Lebron played with like 8-12 stars in his career and only won 4 GTFOH 🤦🏾♂️
The case for Kareem ahead of Jordan is one of longevity and availability. The guy was available for 20 years and was dominant in about 15 of those. I can see why someone would take that over Jordan's dominant 10 years. Afterall the best ability is availability.
10 years???? Jordan was dominate over 13 years. All 13 with the bulls. Unless you don’t want to count the year he got hurt and the year he missed half with retirement
with age I definitely have more respect for this angle....Kareem, Rose, Ripken, Lebron....guys who played a ton of games at an uber high level. Respect.
He has Kareem #2 & Magic #4. How does he explain how Jordan has as many rings as Kareem with Scottie being so much lower than Magic? And James Worthy is on his list too. And if longevity is such a big factor, how in the world is Luka on this list, let alone in the top 20?! Nick should've titled this his "Favorites of the last 50 years" list.
Wildes didn’t have to even say much … but he smoked Nick with that final scenario 😂 pick one player to start ya franchise with , I pick Lebron , u got MJ & Kareem left who ya taking ? 🤣😂
MJ 6 finals MVP . That means everytime you win a championship, you are the main reason your team won . End of the debate . Kareem did not win with the Lakers until he had Migic Johnson .
I can honestly see how Kareem could be considered the best NBA player of all time. The thing that everybody is seeing right now is that if Kareem is considered the greatest NBA player of all time then that would totally move LeBron to being #3 at most because Jordan accomplished more in a shorter period of time.
Yeah he's annoying AF, constantly trying to cut in and interrupt the other two even though he's already dominated the first 5 minutes of the segment...and the segments only go 10 mins on average.
This is a perfect example of how you can't compare players from different eras, positions, etc. All of us stat nerds (and I did say 'us' lol) can manipulate the numbers to influence the opinions of others, but it's really subjective and what you like at the end of the day. With that said, Michael Jeffrey Jordan.
@@norwoodhammond650 my man Jordan averaged 30 ppg for a career shooting an average of 1 3-pointer per game. Jordan has the most players defeated on his list that NEVER got a Win on Jordan.
not only that, the margin in which he lost the 4 times he went 7 games against russel series was 9 points over 4 game 7s, bascially 2 points per game, thats a single possession game, couldve easily been a toss up, russel never dominated even with a loaded team when things were equal
@@Playboyy1985 yes he did, but never nowhere near to how loaded russels team was. its exactly like lebron and kd, yes cavs was loaded, but gsw with kd was not getting beat by anybody, same with celtics in 60s
@@youraverage90sguys7 nooo not even close. Russell did not have a dynasty type team that also added another top 20 player of all time. The three years After Cousy retired: 64, ‘65, and especially ‘66 Wilt had easily the better cast and still lost to Russell. His numbers drop drastically from regular season to playoffs as well.
First round sweeps should be countered with missing the playoffs. - Jordan swept 3 times (and missed it 2x with wizards) vs Lebron didnt even make it 4times
Jordan never played with a TOP 20 player all time. Kareem played with 2 Top 20 players all time. Lebron, arguably played with 1 top 20 player all time in Wade. It’s ridiculous to have Kareem over Jordan.
And? I mean, I don't see why that's in the discussion: it's not a bad thing to be tall, and it's not more important for a basketball team of you are effective because you are smart, tall, athletic or whatever. This thing that "skill" is more important is such a fake argument: would rather have Kyrie or Giannis? Kyrie's way more skilled, but Giannis is the better player and that's it.
You're absolutely right, being tall is awesome. I myself I am 6'8 and I absolutely love it. I wouldn't trade it for the world, so you are preaching to the choir but my point was back in the NBA at that time, players could easily pad their stats if they were that height. Kareem was amazing but the idea that he was better than Michael Jordan is just crazy. That's just my opinion
And I'm not saying that it's not valuable to be tall. It's one of the most valuable assets a player can have. What I meant was back when Kareem was playing, there were way less 7-footers in the league. Now every team has two or three, back then some of the post players were 6'9.
If you want to argue MJ as no. 1, fine go ahead. But I don't want to hear anyone try to tear down KAJ in order to prop up MJ. KAJ is a GOAT tier player who has a legitimate argument as no. 1
I love his longevity arguments. LeBron has played an average of 56/year with the Lakers, and Magic was dragging Kareem along for the ride towards the end. Meanwhile, the infamous Wizards version of Michael played 82 games at the age of 40. In fact, LeBron has played 82 games ONCE in his career, Kareem did it 5 times and MJ did it 9 times
This is spoken like a true basketball novice Magic Johnson was not dragging Kareem alone Magic Johnson only made one finals when he wasn't playing with Kareem at least know your history before you open your mouth
With all those nine times he played 82 games he still didn't play more years more games for more points get more rebounds more assists more blocks than Kareem
@@Tojohiruma I was mostly speaking of the last couple of years where they lost to Detroit, beat Detroit and beat Boston. I think there's a legitimate case that Magic should have won both of those Finals MVPs instead of just the one
Peewee Bell If your Goat is based on stats, lthen it’s LeBron. If you want rings, look at Russell. If you want MVPs and Lifetime Achievements look for Kareem. If you want records, look for Wilt. If you want impact, look for Steph. If you want dominance, look for Shaq. If you want defense, Rodman If you want athletics, find Kemp, Giannis If you want game changers, Bird or Magic. If you want dunks that wow you, look for Carter, Dr. J or Wilkins. If you want someone that messes with the opponent mind with trash talk, look for Garnett. If you want on and off the court influence, look for Iverson. If you want a great scoring skill set, look for Durant. If you want competitiveness, look for Kobe. If you want Clutch moment, look for Jerry West. If you want a Iron man that never missed games, then A C Green But if you want it all - then it’s Jordan.
If you guys are millenials, I don't blame you, lol. Let's go ahead and rank Steven Seagal over Bruce cause he was a box office king too. 😅When I say " overall " , i include impact.
I'm not going to take into consideration the 5 foot 8 white guys he played against in the PAC-12 for 3 years whatsoever, he's still top 3 of course on NBA career alone.
@@dakotabrewer3930 That's the problem with the GOAT discussion. It's never really defined because the hall of fame takes pre nba basketball into account.
OK, listen, I'm 5 sec into the video n it's already apparent that nick is just being skip. Not being realistic or objective whatsoever, n pushing his own narrative. In no REAL, respected list is MJ anywhere lower than 2nd. That's not even a debate. It's honestly not even a debate between him n Bron, MJ is clearly ahead of him, but putting him 3rd completely discredits nick n his list.
Sorry but you HAVE to include Wilt Chamberlain in this discussion. The NBA literally changed rules to stop him - they widened the lane to stop him. What rules were change to stop Jabbar? Jordan? LeBron?
Something important was brought up in this video. When you look at the BIG picture, things become a lot more clear. Kareem was great, but he had the Showtime Lakers. His team was stacked, and you could argue that he wasn't even the greatest LAKER of all time. LeBron and Wilt have AMAZING career stats, but neither one of them played for a dynastic team, or ruled an era. Magic and LeBron could guard 1-5, and MJ really couldn't do that. So props to them. Russell was the greatest WINNER of of his generation, but his individual stats were not otherworldly like Wilt who played in the same era, so let's break this down. 1. Jordan Played for a dynastic team that not only ruled an era, but never lost or even allowed a game seven in the finals. He also never lost in the Olympics or world championships. Jordan, and a group of college kids beat an all star pro team, every time they played them. (So much for "he couldn't beat Bird or Magic in their prime"). This was the ONLY time in Jordan's career, other than in international play, that he got to play with an elite level center. Keep in mind that this is when the big men in the league were dominant, and they hadn't taken time off how long they could be in the lane. 2. Jordan played with ONE consistent all star. 3. Jordan has amazing career stats, and his per game stats are even better. Advanced analytics has him at the top of the list. 4. Jordan made the game a global phenomenon. He is by far the most influential player of all time. Everyone wanted to "be like Mike." 5. Little known fact, Jordan went almost eight seasons without a three game loss streak. Thats 626 games! Second place? Steph Curry, with 314! Jordan literally has 312 more than second place! 6. Speaking of Steph. He has been the most influential player of his generation, has a 3-1 record against LeBron, has won four chips on LeBron's watch, and his Warriors, not any of Lebron's teams, have been the dynasty of the last decade. LeBron has played in the era of two dynasties. The Spurs and Warriors, but has never had one of his own. 7. Jordan had the highest peak of any player ever. LeBron has had the longest. Jordan won six chips in the 90's and was retired for four years out of that decade. Nobody ever singlehandedly ruled the NBA like Jordan. 8. Jordan was NEVER outplayed in the finals. LeBron is on my Mount Rushmore, but 2011 HAPPENED. It was one of the worst performances by an all time great player that I've ever seen. That isn't hate. Thats real talk. He shrunk. 9. Awards and accolades. I don't really need to go into this. 10. Jordan's biggest "weakness" was being a SLIGHTLY below average 3 point shooter for his career, and he improved as his career went on. When someone dared him to shoot 3's he went 6-6 in a playoff game. He could also do anything he wanted. As a point guard, he averaged a triple double. 11. My last point, and this is slightly subjective. None of us really gets to decide who the G.O.A.T is. That is a matter settled in the court of public opinion. I personally believe that Willie Mays is the greatest baseball player of all time, but he isn't, at least not in the eyes of the public. That honor belongs to George Herman Ruth. MJ, in fan polls, media polls, and polls involving other players, beats everyone soundly. All the other players I mentioned are all time greats. They all deserve respect, and LeBron deserves respect for his on and off the court ventures, but MJ had it all. If you don't agree, that's fine. But thats my case, and I'll die on that hill.
The era MJ ruled was due to good timing. He couldn't win during peak Celtics/Lakers (but Isiah did) and when he started winning there were all young teams or teams in their 1st year together. MJ beat the old Lakers. Only Portland and Utah weren't either young or 1st year teams
I can't wait to see the Kareem at #2 podcast. After watching the podcast of MJ at #3, I felt even more convinced that MJ was the GOAT. I've seen only parts of MJ's Final two seasons, in particular the Finals against Utah. I wasn't really watching the NBA seriously until around 2003-04 when I became a Dallas fan. But hearing about everything MJ did, and Nick breaking everything down, my thoughts were, "Wow. This is better than anything I've seen LeBron do." And I've watch LeBron's entire career. After hearing him break down Kareem's career, I might be inclined to put Kareem over LeBron. Right now I have LeBron as 2nd, behind only MJ. But the way he's hyping Kareem, I might have to change my mind and put Kareem at #2. I'm already on the fence about putting Magic at #2 because his break down of Magic made me think that Magic may be better than LeBron, too.
@@DEPORTKYLE lmao this guy is literally disagreeing with Nick here and if watched his podcast where he goes over MJ's career it's nothing but praise throughout and I actually found out one or two things I didn't already know. Probably should read the whole comment before replying
I had the exact same thoughts but I think you'll be even more impressed with LeBron's career breakdown if you value longevity. Jordan had the best peak no doubt, but LeBron and Kareem's peaks were sustained for a far longer period.
@@asieduy But I've watched LeBron his entire career. I know what LeBron has done, and I know his accomplishments like the back of my hand. I've followed his accolades, triumphs, and failures. So, I don't actually need a break down of what he's done. I already know it. Based on what I know and seen of LeBron, it doesn't stack up to MJ. Longevity matters to an extent, yes. But I value how dominant a player was over simply longevity. MJ's 12 seasons with Chicago was so dominant, he accomplished more in those 12 seasons than LeBron has accomplished in 19 seasons.
@@DEPORTKYLE Yea, you should read the whole comment. MJ is the GOAT. But still, as wrong as Nick is about MJ being #3, this series is very well done. His break down of each player is impressive. You can tell he spent years researching all of these players. It's worth a listen, even if he is dead wrong about MJ.
Not really Lebron is going to pass Kareem in points, and also has 10k assist and rebounds and unlike Kareem he was the best player on all his championship teams, Lebrons longevity is already better than kareems too, the only thing mj has is 2more rings which is because mj didn’t have to play the warriors with kD back to back years and 1 more mvp
@@randygoku4055 so as per Nick, 6 out of 10 is better than 6 out of 6, what do you say for 4 out of 10. Is that better? Most rings of the era, most mvps of the era... Isn't that more than LBJ too? More rebounds than MJ he said. LBJ? Most unstoppable shot. Does LBJ even have one? I think he spoke about two way player. Has LBJ been a better 2 way player than KAJ? I think KAJ is third or fourth in blocks all-time. Listen, LeBron gets a lifetime achievement award. He deserves it. One of the greatest. Definitively. But stop with the GOAT stuff now. He's not even better than KAJ on the lifetime basis, much less on a GOAT status.
@@randygoku4055 also, MJ made the Bulls his era's Warriors. Unstoppable. And that was literally unstoppable. We always try to use the Warriors argument against MJs teams without realizing that it is the most nonsensical thing to do. MJ WAS the big bad wolf. And nobody, Magic, Isiah, Drexler, Hakeem, Shaq, Stockton and Malone, Payton and Kemp, Ewing and the Knicks, Reggie and the Pacers, Zo and Miami, Barkley and his Suns..., NOBODY was gonna get past him. Of course he didn't have the Warriors to play. He was THAT guy... His team was a better Warriors
Nick Wrong caught a little too much sun. He did not witness MJ's athletic peak years, he's too young, the man could fly, he really transcended the game before the first retirement. He keeps mentioning Wizards' MJ cause that's all he saw smh. Kareem was the best player of the 70's and only had one ring to show for it before Magic came along. As Brou said, he was a starter/complimentary player for the last ring. LeBron can only dream of getting anywhere near MJ's level.
I been watching NBA basketball since LITERALLY the early 80s.. I say that to say this,>> Jordan is the most exiting player I've ever seen with my own 2 eyes,. And LeBron is the best overall player I've seen with my own 2 eyes . DONE !
Nick Constantly mentions FINAL APPEARANCES! Buffalo Bills have 4 consecutive Super Bowl Appearances! Appearances don't matter WINNING MATTERS! Nick is ridiculous.
he's done plenty to surpass magic.... Bron is almost inarguably a better all-around and more individually impactful player than Magic, and is just as accomplished for his career. he's still not better than Jordan tho
Nah he just used Kareem as cover for his LeBron case. Smart but not missed Nick. LeBron still is not better than Jordan, and the case you made for Kareeem can be used to put LeBron at 3. Usually great but this segment was a miss.
Anyone wanna tell Chris that Pippen lead the bulls in every single statistical category over those 6 finals besides scoring? Or does that only count against Kareem?
That graphic was so biased 😂 someone could easily do that to favor LeBron or Kareem as well. Dude put all-defense selections but not all-nba selections, 3-peats instead of finals appearances, and dedicated two whole categories to meaningless single season statistical 'championships'.
@@matthasahand5495 Well I'd argue that WINNING 3-peats and doing it TWICE is more impressive than going to the finals and losing. Many players have done that. But I agree, take that out, you still have MJ over all of them. Additionally all-nba selections again, is a longevity stat. The fact that Jordan as a shooting guard who everyone remembers as a scorer was all defense MORE times in LESS years than the others is astounding. Again LeBron and Kareem have the longevity stats. That's it.
@@mak23997 having 3 peats and rings as two categories is redundant. It doesn't matter how close the chips are together, just that they exist. At a certain point longevity matters, otherwise we would only judge guys by their very best season. And all NBA 1st teams is not a longevity stat. Only 3 guys ever have more than 10.
@@mak23997 Didn’t his 3Peats come through a year & half’s worth of rest away from the NBA grind? Isn’t MJ solely responsible for the length of his career?
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*Nick Really just made us all want to put Kareem now ahead of LeBron!* 😂😂😂 Congrats Nick you played yourself! Jordan is 🐐 followed by 2.Kareem and 3.J 😂 Nicky really didn’t think this one through
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Nick has to b like the most delusional LeBron fan ever..
Like Kareem played more games than any player that has ever played..
Kareem won 5 rings with Magic leading the way..
Got sweep twice with Worthy n Magic..his last few years..he couldn't run down the floor..it's was like watching your grandpa trying play gym ball with 25 year old in their prime..n lebron so overrated..like ray Allen said..he not the most complete player Jordan, Kobe, Bird or Hakeem were in they prime..
Individual he light a torch wit Mj or Wilt..
He never seen a 3 peat in his life..he depends to much on other players to finish the job for him..When Magic, Kareem, Mj, Kobe, Bird, n others where known to do alone when it was time..
Lebron hasn't pass Kobe n Duncan in my eyes..he not even a top 5 Goat yet..
1.Mj
2.Kobe
3.Magic
4.Kareem
5. Bill Russell
6.Duncan
7.Lebron
8.Bird
9.Shaq
10.Steph
@@jaygreen2726 that’s all your opinion was worth since there was no real facts to be argued. The emojis I sent are equal to your paragraph about basically nothing. You could’ve wrote down, "I don’t like Jordan" and I would’ve learned just as much
Im convinced Nick made this list just to NOT put Jordan at one.
no, nick made this list so that when LBJ passes KAJ, he could go on a rant that LBJ is the GOAT - Whats hilarious is that nick puts KAJ at one, even though ALL THIS TIME he has been saying LBJ is number 1.....shows his idiotic stance.
Im convinced he made it to overhype the scoring record, preparing the field for Lebron.
Nick said that Jordan wasn’t always best player on his team and 3rd best defender, on the same level as Ron Harper…
I had LeBron 2nd all time but after Nick's argument I'm putting Kareem ahead of him. Thanks Nick!
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I also now have Lebron 3rd after Kareem lol
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Nick gets destroyed every time with this debate..bruh just leave it alone Smfh
Nick Wrong slamming on MJ for winning 37 games with the Wizards at age 38. Mr. Wrong forgot to mention this fact. In the 2021-2022 NBA season, a 37-year old LeBron James led the LA Lakers to a 33-win season.
Well at 38 Kareem was doing that in the finals. So your point is still off
Those wizards teams were COMPLETE!!! THIS LAKER team were injured most of the yr stop🧢
@@errrjuny I agree the Wizards team was complete but the level of of players are not the same. Do you take Kwame over Dwight? Ty Lue over Westbrook? Injuries are part of the game and Lebron still has Westbrook for the full season. Lebron himself was doing load management and didn't care about winning except gunning for the scoring title.
@@Black_Elmer_Fudd yeah how come you weren’t saying the season. Oh that’s right because he had a bunch of All-Stars on his team and he was like the third option or at least the second one. I love how Nick is trying to act like Kareem was the number one option and the reason that they made the finals 😂😂😂😂😂
@@DuckFanDane Kareem averaged 23.4, 6.1, 3.5, 1.6 bpg, 0.8 stls. Which is more pts, rbs, blks than Jordan averaged his age 38 season. Which he was fresh off of retirement. As you were saying...
All Nick did is make a stronger case for Lebron to be 3rd all time 😂
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Lol that's what I was thinking this whole time
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His video made me realise Jordan is the GOAT. MJ's scoring numbers are astronomical and i knew everything else was already insane
Kareem is always arguably the best ever, if anyone puts him at 1, there’s always an open debate but he deserves to be in that talk.
He really isn’t though. He’s arguably third, but he has maybe two rings without Magic.
@@bretditty858 He is, 6 chips in 10 tries, 6x MVP, all time points leader, 10X all-NBA first team, 11x All-NBA first or 2nd defensive team. He is by far qualified to be in that discussion of the greatest ever regarding being a valuable 2 way player.
@@bretditty858 I dont like the argument of having or not having someone on their team, if Jordan does not got Pippen, Lebrón Kyrie / Wade or bosh, and se can continue, it Is not an individual sport
Kareem wasn’t even the best player on 4 or his 6 rings that alone takes him out the goat conversation not to mention he got swept with Magic another top 5 player of all time
@UCoLwBPnGoBqNv2DP7LqyLXw u sound like a russ fan
Kareem is very under rated in my opinion. Young Kareem in Milwaukee was power and grace personified. Laker era also extremely impressive.
People tend to discard those whom they did not watch playing. Most of us put Maradona ahead of Pele and youngsters put Messi ahead of both.
@@TheRadFactor im Brazilian and the best soccer player I actually watch play was Maradona and Ronaldo The phenomenon but if I had to rank players all-time for their accomplishments, accolades and individual success to me Pelé is the G.O.A.T with almost 1600 goal, 3 WC and only player in history to win back to back WORLD CUPS, case closed.
Yes he is under rated but extremely overrated in his list he is thought of as rightfully the third best player of all time. You can make an argument to go lower because for arguably four of his championships he was not the best player on the team
@@TheRadFactor Messi over Maradona is right tho, Pelé over both
literally had multiple seasons with a losing record.
Putting the GOAT at 3rd is a clever way of generating views & ratings.
He put the 🐐 at first…get your eyes checked
@@unionash1 You mean the guy who called himself the goat or the guy who's universally regarded as the GOAT???
@@udinelumbu2351 he NEVER called himself the GOAT go clean your ears
Yeah I don’t think if he put Jordan at 2 most people would care
Picking Kareem isn’t really that crazy he is arguably the best player ever amongst others
I can always rely on Broussard to make me feel better that not all analysts are mental. Disrespecting the double 3 Peat is just horrific
Only gripe is he had a retirement in the middle of that 3 peat. Other than that, its still too impressive to not have him as the GOAT.
Well, his point is valid. Are we talking about his skills, his career (his total body of work), or are we talking about 6 specific seasons in someone's career? I actually love MJ, and I'm with you on skills and efficiency, but it is true that he abandoned arguably the best team ever for personal reasons. We give Kyrie heat for wat he's done his past few years, well MJ did the same thing guys. It matters, and I'm not saying yall are wrong. But it matters. If I get to draft a guy for 1 year, I pick MJ. BUT IF ITS HIS WHOLE CAREER, 20 YEARS LONG, ITS LEBRON AND KAREEM. Basketball matters to those two, and they did everything they could to win EVERY SINGLE YEAR. That's not only inspiring, it's wat makes a man a GOAT at his craft. Agree or not, it's the truth and you can do wat you will.
The GOAT question should not even be any form of debate Lebron had everything to over achieve Jordan but he stumbled and fell because he just lacked the extra spoon of special sauce.For Lebron Pride simply came before the fall.
The moment Lebron felt in his heart he was the Goat is where he fell. Now hes going to end his career with less chips and a points record and the bitter taste that its quite possible in the next 5 years Little Steph Curry will likley eclipse his legacy at this rate.
He didn't disrespect it at all tho, did u watch his 45 minute vid?
Give me a freakin' break!! Jordan retired the first time because HIS FATHER WAS MURDERED!! His father wanted Micheal to play baseball. MJ retired so that he could please his father. I hate people who have opinions based on hearsay and not have the where-with-all to do some research!! Anybody who does ANY research would know that MJ blows away LBJ in almost every category except longevity. Let's not forget that LBJ has the most turnovers in a career... by a wide margin. And, he's also fourth all-time in average turnovers per game. Hang your hat on THAT LBJ!!
Nick is still bringing up the Bulls winning only 30 games when MJ was injured for 80% OF HIS 2nd SEASON. My god, he's pathetic.
You're missing his point. I watched his 45 minute video explaining it. The point was he still has a playoff stat sheet when his team made the playoffs with 30 wins. The bulls made the playoffs 3 straight years without being 500° either. Took him till 90 to get out of the east and win anything. And the 12 year argument for Jordan also helps Nick's case, longevity matters.
@@OfficerJakeyPoo What ultimately matters is Winning and 6-0 beats every players record out there except for Bill Russell.
Michael Jordan never had the luxury of playing with another top 20 player of all time and yet, he won two 3 peats. Longevity isn’t as important as Peak Value and Jordan had the highest peak of all time from 88-98, excluding the retirement break in-between. He was dominant individually and won at a historic pace.
@@OfficerJakeyPoo longevity only matters for total stats unless both guys win more than MJ did which they didn’t so in that case it actually hurts them not helps them…..if I told you right now I’ll give you this player and you’ll win 6 rings in 15 years or you can have this other player for 20 years but only win 4 anybody in their right mind is going with option A lmao
@@OfficerJakeyPoo and btw it took Lebron teaming up with wade and Bosh and still losing in the finals before he won his first ring so what’s your point about MJ not winning until 1990 smh
@@tomfassel6563 doesn't hurt them when I understand each of their situations. I agree with MJ being above Kareem personally, however with lebron longevity cannot go against him. Being able to play at this high of a level so long is simply something MJ could not physically do. Dude literally retired three times and was talking about retirement In 93. The physical toll of 10 finals while from 2003-2010 being the entire engine of a team whose organization couldn't get you any decent help while u actually made deep runs is something u must consider when talking about longevity. Longevity does not "only matter" for stats, that's simply an ignorant statement. Being able to be great in 3 different eras is a feat literally nobody has ever done. While consistently winning and performing at peak level, not just about stats. Context matters.
Nick Wrong just cannot get it right! His entire take is that Lebron played longer than Jordan. So what. Even after playing 3 or 4 more seasons than Jordan, Lebron still has not accomplished as much as the real GOAT.
People like Nick love to leave out the fact that LeBron played longer because he didn’t go to college, unlike MJ. That’s 4 extra years to accumulate stats.
@@_YourFlyIsOpen This is a great point. Lebron came into the league right from high school. Jordan missed three seasons BEFORE his NBA career even started, plus retired TWICE in his prime. The longevity arguments just aren't even remotely convincing to me, even if you grant every longevity point, it's not remotely enough to put Lebron above Jordan.
If you're an owner or GM you take 20 Yeats of greatness over 12 every day. I don't disagree than Michael's the GOAT but I don't blame people choosing longevity over peak.
Kareem also spent 3 years playing in college. Kareem won 3 National Champions and MJ played 3 years in college and won 1 National Championship.
The debate is between MJ and Kareem as the GOAT. Period. Sorry, Lebron.
Kareem won an MVP when he didn’t make the playoffs because the players voted. So there’s that
In the 1975 season (38-44), the Bucks were 9th in offense, 8th in defense, 8th in net rating, 13th in points scored per game & 5th in points allowed per game.
Kareem only played the last 65 of 82 games where they were 35-30 with him & 3-14 without him in the first 17 games of the season.
They finished 4th in the Midwest Division & tied for 6th in the conference. It should be noted that the DET Pistons in their division @40-42 & NYK in the Atlantic Division in the East @40-42 both made the playoffs as the final seed (5th).
Kareem averaged 30/14/4/1/3 in 42 MPG on
51% FG (13/24 per game) & 76% FT (5/7 per game) coming in 5th in MVP
Kareem was 3rd in PPG, 5th in RPG, 1st in BPG, T-18th in APG, T-16th in SPG, 3rd in BLK%, 9th in TREB%, 4th in DREB%, 4th in EFG%, T-11th in TS%, 2nd in MPG, 2nd in WS (6th in OWS-8th in DWS), & T-5th in Defensive Rating that season. 🤷🏾♂️
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In the 1976 season (40-42), the Lakers were 7th of 18 in offense & 13th of 18 in defense; scoring the 3rd most PPG while giving up the 17th most.
However, this team had a better record than 2 West teams in the Midwest Division-38-44 Bucks & 36-46 Pistons who made the playoffs as they were the top 2 in that division. The Suns in comparison were 42-40; 3rd in the Pacific Division and the 3rd seed in the West.
Kareem also averaged 28/17/5/2/4 in 41 MPG on 53% FG (11/21 per game) & 70% FT (6/8 per game) with no All Star help that season 🤫
Taking home the MVP that year
Kareem was ranked 2nd in PPG, *1st in RPG* , 11th in APG, T-11th in SPG, *1st in BPG* , 2nd in BLK%, 3rd in TREB%, 2nd in DREB%, 5th in EFG%, 8th in TS%, *1st in MPG* , *1st in OWS & DWS* , & T-2nd in Defensive Rating.
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Firstly there was 18 teams-not 16 which is the reason why the 1st seeds in each conference had a bye to the ECSF & WCSF respectively to face the winner of the 4/5 matchup.
5 teams each make the playoffs in each conference-so 10/18 teams make the playoffs.
10 of 18 teams in 1976 were under .500, ranging from 40-42 LA Lakers & *Eastern Conference* HOU Rockets to Western Conference Chicago Bulls @ 24-58.
At the time both conferences were separated by 2 divisions.
In the West, all the 4 Midwest Division teams had a worst record than the Lakers.
The Lakers *(4th in Pacific, 4th in West)*
had a better record than 2 West teams in the Midwest Division-
38-44 Bucks *(1st in Midwest, 5th in West)* &
36-46 Pistons *(2nd in Midwest, 7th in West)* who made the playoffs as they were the top 2 in that division--but were the 4th & 5th seeds in the West First Round Playoff facing against each other 🤔
The Suns in comparison were 42-40 *(3rd in Pacific, 3rd in West)*
Prior to 2005, NBA division champions were seeded higher than the other teams in their conference, regardless of their record.
Prior to 2004, when the NBA was aligned into two conferences with two divisions each, the division champions were guaranteed the top two seeds.
This meant that top two teams in a conference (by record) would be seeded either first and second (if they were in opposite divisions) or first and third (if they were in the same division).
Because of the NBA playoffs' preset matchups in the second round, this meant that the top two teams in a conference could never meet until the conference finals, assuming they both made it to that round.
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First off the NBA went to 4 divisions across 2 conferences for the first time in 1971 with an increased number of teams.
In 1970, there was 14 teams separated by 2 conferences *(East & West)*
In 1971, there was 17 teams separated by 4 divisions into 2 conferences
*(East: Atlantic & Central, West: Midwest & Pacific)*
Eight teams still qualified, four from each conference. Hence, the division semifinals and division finals came to be known as conference semifinals and conference finals, respectively.
The top two teams in each division qualified as the Eastern Conference, comprising the Atlantic and Central divisions, while the Western Conference consisted of the Midwest and Pacific divisions.
The first place team from one division would face the second place team of the other division within their conference.
In the conference playoffs, a division winner always held home-court advantage over a second place team regardless of record.
*71’ BOS (44-38): 3rd in Atlantic; 3rd in EAST*
*71’ PHO (48-34): 3rd in Midwest; T-3rd in WEST*
*71’ DET (45-37): 4th in Midwest; 4th in WEST*
All due to an outdated rule missing out on playoff basketball.
Instead in the East,
You had a
*42-40 Bullets team (1971 Eastern Conference Champs; 1st in Central & 4th in East)* make it *(Central Div. Weakest That Season)*
alongside a
*36-46 Hawks team (2nd in Central, 5th in East)*
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In the West, you had a
*48-34 Lakers team (1st in Pacific, T-3rd in West)* and a
*41-41 Warriors team (2nd in Pacific, 6th in West)*
*The only two years where this “problem occurs” since the expanding into 4 divisions separated by 2 conferences is 1971 & 1976-the year before the merger that added a 6th seed 🤔*
That only adds to his goat argument
@@BlackGeniusGod nah, cause Players would have voted Lebron, Jordan, and Kobe way more times they got MVP.
@@dimitrythomas4158 We don’t know that for sure nor do we know how those players would last in that hypothetical timeline of the NBA. No factor of injury or teammate presented by you.
@@BlackGeniusGod no it doesn't, you're slow. Players are notorious for being the most biased votets.
My favorite MJ fact that not many ppl know:
Jordan was age 38 turning 39 during his 1st year with the Wizards. A year older than current Lebron.
During that 1st year with the Wizards Jordan averaged :
22.9 PPG 5.7 RPG 5.2 APG .416 FG% .790 FT%
However, for his first 46 (pre-injury) games, he averaged:
25.1 PPG 6.2 RPG 5.3 APG .420 FG% .790 FT% in 36.8 MPG
And his last 14 (post-injury) games, he averaged:
15.7 PPG 3.8 RPG 4.8 APG .391 FG% .787 FT% in 28.4 MPG
What I found most interesting though is that as the season progressed and MJ played himself into shape and shook off the 3 year retirement rust - he was playing better and better.
For his last 20 games pre-injury he averaged :
27.5 PPG 6.4 RPG 5.2 APG .440 FG%
And for his last 10 games pre-injury he averaged a blistering :
29.7 PPG 6.6 RPG 6.1 APG .470 FG%
Those are some crazy, crazy numbers for a dude who at this point was a month or two away from being 39 years old and coming back after three years removed from the game of basketball - and during early 2000s when it was a much slower pace than today's NBA.
Yeah and Nick's response would be: Yeah but how many total points did he score that year? LOL
The thing is tho he retired 2 times in between that. But regardless he still a goat and is head and shoulders above 98% of all NBA players
He rested during took that he time off 🥴
How many shots pet game?
Awesome research my man a lot of LeBron fans are going to hate seeing someone dominate the game at that age before LeBron did it but these are the facts. Throw in another caveat of modern medicine and therapy vs that time In sports too
The list was invalidated when he put Luka at 20
Especially without even giving jokic a spot at all 😂
For real. If he wanted to add Luka because he will eventually make it, he should have put him 50 and the dickriding wouldn't have been so outrageous.
Yes that's ridiculous. Put as you like, Luka has not done enough to be there yet.
@@changethechannel7225 he did give jokic a spot lol
f'in Harden at 25. Lmao
I can be convinced that Kareem has been underrated. So then it should be 1. MJ, 2. Kareem, 3. LeBron.
Kareem is a top 3 player all time but he is not better than MJ who is the GOAT or Lebron. Broussard explained the reason, the NBA was not expanded and half of the good players played in the ABA back in the day.
Actually Lebron number 1 he is the 🐐 it seems that everyone is mad just because he picks MJ at number 3 now people think that is disrespectful just MJ fanboys
@@ΚώσταςΠαππάς-φ7ζ NBA>ABA why Kareem is top 3 if he play in a weak era like you said you are just contradicting yourself also Nick Wright was telling facts about Kareem while Chris Broussard really never give an argument just screaming to him saying he was wrong but never explained why
@@paulrodriguez2337 ΑΒΑ = ΝΒΑ half the good players played in ABA and talent was split, get ur facts right
I knew I could count on Broussard to break it down. Kareem does have a case for GOAT but just because you have a case don’t mean you win.
Nick Wright wins this debate since Chris Broussard never tell an argument
I absolutely think Jordan should be #1 and Nick is just being petty because he wants to make it seem like there is a gap between Lebron and Jordan. But my god some people take these GOAT discussions too seriously.
how is mj in ur top 3, hes so overrated
Wayyyyy too serious
@@windowpainzplays8601 because you don't know how to rate
It’s really not hard to go over it’s always a rite or wrong no matter how emotional we get involved
That's exactly what it is
Kareem and Magic. The only top 5 players that gets a pass for playing for each other for the majority of the careers, But MJ doesnt get a pass from haters for havng Pippen who's ranked outside the top 30 for many including Nick Wright. lol.
Kareem won a title without Magic
@@dimitrythomas4158 and how many did he win with Magic?
Jordan had a HOF coach, arguably the best coach ever, Rodman, Toni, Harper, Pippen, people act like Jordan won with scrubs or something.
@Eternal Boss Rules i agree. never said they were worse. But we never hear " magic had kareem or vise versa " . They should keep the same energy with Jordan.
@@osufan77 great, now mention kareem's teammates and coach.
MJ at 38 going on 39 years old with a terrible roster led the Wizards to 37 wins. Lebron at 37 with Westbrook and AD led the Lakers to less wins this past season
The gave up their bench for what ever reason, Russ wasn’t horrible but overall bad, AD was injured and Franky V who won a championship with them got fired.
Lebron at least Offensively played well. Probably motivated by that all time scoring record. He still looks like a top 5 player even tho they didn’t make the playoffs.
Injuries
If you think MJ at that age is anywhere close to current lebron log off.
@@jon401 MJ is better at any age than LeBron. The only reason LeBron is in the conversation is because he got 3 extra years of youth and prime by not going to college, while MJ wasn't allowed to do that. Also, I think it's hilarious that James a guy who's taller, bigger, and is a small forward playing out of position as a guard is still trying to catch up to MJ, a true shooting guard who didn't rely on 3s or bully ball. In fact, he's the one who got smacked around. It's too bad these young folks didn't get a good look at Jordan. They'd realize what a weak replacement James is.
How many mj averaged that year if you don’t mind
low-key nick made argument that Lebron should be third and Jordan and Kareem 1 and 2. Bruh that 2011 NBA finals cannot be forgiven at all
But getting out of the playoffs in the FIRST ROUND 3 years in a row is ??
@@Tojohiruma Really dude? Lebron had a super team and were the odds fav. to win. Lebron felt out give up on the series. Losing happens but it's the way he lost is why people get on him. Jordan might have not gotten out the 1st round but he never quit like Lebron. Go look at Jordan's number, he never scored no 8 pts in a finals like Lebron.
@@Tojohiruma those were MJs first few seasons playing with cokeheads lol
@@Tojohiruma and missing the playoffs entirely with other HOFer is cool 👌🏻
That's Finals was an Epic collapse by Bron and that's with his superteam he created to try and win an easy ring. Disgraceful and disqualified from any Goat conversation.
*Nick Really just made us all want to put Kareem now ahead of LeBron!* 😂😂😂 Congrats Nick you played yourself! Jordan is 🐐 followed by 2.Kareem and 3.LeBron 😂 Nicky really didn’t think this one through
Kareem has same amount of rings and number one in points in nba history, also he has 10 final appearances to Jordan’s 6, Jordan isn’t the GOAT, why couldn’t jordan be number one in points? Just wasn’t good enough I guess lol
If he puts LeBron ahead of Kareem he will look like a hypocrite
No it didn't lol if anything it just mover Kareem back lol to like 5 🤣🤣
I actually wouldn't be surprised if he has Kareem 1 and Lebron 2. It's entirely possible following his logic with his list so far
@@matthewm6123 Jordan’s peak was better than anything lebron and Kareem did let’s not act like Kareem wasn’t winning most of that with another Top 5 player of all time and the best PG of all time. Kareem has same amount of rings 4 less FMVP 1 more MVP 1 less DPOY in a league that was built for big men. MJ was by far the best player on his team each title he won Kareem can’t say that. Mj really had 11 FULL prime seasons and look what he did.
Would love to see prime MJ, Bron, and Kareem go head to head in their prime. 90's Bulls, 2016 Cavaliers, and 70's Kareem.
2013 lebron violates
And the 2017 Warriors as well as Garnett Celtics, Shaq & Kobe Lakers, 2004 Pistons and the Spurs dynasty
2016 Cavs would get humiliated by the 90s bulls
@@soleil3gs boy stop
There is simulation if that in 2k and shaq kobe won the bracket
Nick made LITERALLY the exact opposite case for why Magic Johnson is clearly the greatest Laker ever over Kobe, as well as Duncan on his list. It was all about the finals he got in such few seasons, and because he’s trying to make finals appearances a thing, how many finals appearances he had in so few seasons. He talked about per game stats over the accumulation of them is why clearly Magic was a better passer than Stockton, (which btw I’m from Utah and was at Michael’s final ring where he broke my heart). Anyway, I just think it’s funny once he gets to where Lebron obviously should and would land on his list, he switches it to the accumulation of stats over per game one’s, and rings won where you weren’t the main reason behind those rings are equivalent to, well for example all six of Jordan’s.. It was all about how much he did in such a short career, now it’s been switched cause Lebron got to come first and to do that accumulation of stats and how many times you came in second place (or in Nick terms “finals appearances”) is what you have to make your case, and if your going to do that then you gotta consider Kareem..
Magic did almost as much as Micheal in a shorter time, magic is the definition of ultimate winning in a short time not MJ, the reason he's higher than Kobe is because he was a better player than Kobe, but he's not a better player than Michael Keeram or Lebron, and because he didn't play as long as those guys he's not better than, he can't be ranked higher, if you want to understand people's thoughts and opinions, you have to actually listen
@@samuelgaona7196 Magic almost did as much as Michael did in a shorter time!?!?!??
Magic 13 years 5 titles 8 loses
Jordan 15 years 6 titles 9 loses
There you are correct HOWEVER
Leading the league in any category
Magic 6 Jordan 13
MVPs Magic 3 Jordan 5
Final MVPs Magic 3 Jordan 6
DPOY Magic 0 Jordan 1
All defensive team Magic 0 Jordan 9
So no Magic did not almost do everything Jordan did 🤷🏾♂️
@@Tonio5100 fair enough and that's why Micheal is ahead of magic, but my point was mainly about the winning, won just as much as MJ in less time, good points tho
@Tong Zou NOBODY says Stockton better than Isiah tho
@Tong Zou I listen to all type of basketball podcasts ALL THE TIME and I've never heard anyone say Stockton is better than Isiah.... Link me to some videos of people saying this and the argument they using 🤔
This is actually the best Kareem take I have ever heard. It's solid you got to give him that.
Nah it's just a bunch of out of context cherry picking like Nick normally does. Kareem is the only supposed GOAT candidate to miss the playoffs twice in his prime, and wasn't even the best player on half his championships. That alone excludes him from being in Jordan's league.
@@scoop2448 same with Kobe lol
nah, nick is being disingenuous. he’s made and shown us countless list before ab his top players ever, and literally every time he has jordan ahead of kareem but now suddenly doesn’t 🙄
Yeah I rate Kareem that high but I rate Lebron real low like number 9. If you are giving Kareem all this praise, then what the heck type of argument will you have for Lebron's weaker GOAT resume???
@@TH-camPremiumDude Yeah it was unstoppable shot in the regular season, but not so much in the Finals.. and that's the point.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar played 16,436 minutes more than MJ did and had 6,095 more points than MJ. That scoring record would've been shattered if MJ had played half that minutes in his prime.
Jordan got the highest average ppg 30.12 and Wilt is 30.07
and thats kareems fault mj retired twice and fell off faster towards the end of his career?
But he didn’t play more there’s no what ifs lol
And how many attempt do u think MJ have to do in order to get that 30ppg. Now compare it to Kareem and u will see who is more effective and efficient if u dare to honest to urself. You really disrespect Kareem make it seems everyone can play for 20years. Longevity is different level Kid, u will understand this when u get older later. U need a lot of sacrifice, persistent, patience and ton of hardwork. Thats why when u talk about best scorer, people not gonna undisputed MJ cz his 10times scoring champions. People are gonna say Kareem(skyhook) or Kevin Durant (versatility to score from anywhere). And also consider someone like Lebron James what can he do on court with ball on his hand. He know how to convert ball to assist or score it himself..
But he didn't lmao. Being an all-time great isn't about peaking for 6 years then being completely washed up after that 💀
This is what I dislike about Nick.
He’s so biased and it’s crazy that he doesn’t see it.
Kareem at 37 and 40, had Magic Johnson and James Worthy, guys that are HOF in their primes. Then guys like Bob McAdoo, Byron Scott, Michael Cooper, etc, as role players.
That’s not what MJ had in the Wizards
NBA HISTORY
most ring - bill russell - 11
most points - kareem - 38,387
most dominant - wilt (hold most nba individual titles)
most accomplished basket baller ever - kareem ( won in high school / college / pros
you should know people dont like to use context. If we did lebrons finals loses wouldn't matter as much when he was undermanned.
The problem isn’t the Kareem love. The problem is stating everything those two have accomplished while putting LeBron 1st
Man if that ain't the truth!
Bingo
It's a combination of accomplishments, stats, records, context and eye test.
@@OfficerJakeyPoo they all have those in their respective eras. It was Wilt then Kareem came in a younger version of wilt. He was the eye test in the league back then
since the 2011 Lebron has been on the best run this league has ever seen he’s had 9 finals appearances in 10yrs u have to go back to bill russel back in the 50s, 60’s whose team had 8 HOF and the league had 8 teams to see such dominance lol, LBJ is doin with the toughest competition ever the league has 30 teams and basketball is more globalized than ever so the pool of talent in the nba is the best ever filled with the best athletes in the world so yeah what LBJ has done is second to none.
how is LBJ not the goat that’s the question, makin 6 finals in 15years in a watered down era when nba had 6 expansion teamsisnt that impressive, mj needed Phil Jackson and pippen and he understood that too cuz as soon as his coach got fired in 98 and he had a chance to play for a new coach, what did mj do ? He quit and retired ʟɪᴋᴇ ᴀ ᴡᴇᴀᴋ sᴀᴜᴄᴇ while LBJ has taken 5 head coaches to the nba finals 4 of them rookies ffs and has won with 3 different franchises. By the way b4 Phil and pippen mj was 1-9 in the playoffs and couldn’t get out the 1st round😂🤣 while LBJ was gettin to the finals as a 3rd year player ❗️
sᴋɪᴘ and rob talks about LBJ finals losses but lemme ask u since when gettin swept in the first round became better than losing in the finals so this notion that LBJ havin 6 losses is the worst thing in the world is a false narrative , when u’re able to take a bunch of cadaver to the finals,(LBJ did it 2007,2018) as an underdog and lose its an accomplishment , just gettin to the finals is an accomplishment all itself, it means u are a division champion which u get a trophy for and get to represent ur conference in the finals so yea LBJ still got 2 or 3 prime years ᴜ left the way he played his 19th season by the time its all said and done LBJ’s career is gonna be miles upon miles better than Jordan cuz LBJ actually never quit the sport twice like MJ , LBJ has been 19 years of greatness and counting enjoy haters❗️
We need to find a way to get this guy off the air ways talking basketball. Theres absolutely no situation where I find anything he says credible at all
Chris Broussard realest statement ever made. Jordan has never been outplayed by another individual in a playoff series… Win, Lose or Draw…
shawn kemp 96, casual
This is a lie. It says a lot about your ability to grasp reality
Ppl really just think his career was a movie fairytale n nothing went wrong.
@@Spacetech3000 i swear 😂
Guy played 12-13 seasons but somehow only 6 count. Kareem dominated in high school college and pro yet MJ’s 6 yrs of winning trumps all that. It’s BS and a Jordan bulls fan
EVERYONE THIS IS THE SAME GUY THAT HAS LUKA IN HIS TOP 20
And cp0 is ranked too close to luka
No he doesn’t not all time lmaoo
@king cat!!!!!! "don't know basketball" is an overused statement with no real argument being made. The fact is Luka haven't done anything of significance in the NBA. Maybe he's better but hasn't proven anything.
I love how Broussard is a great Analyst. He is very objective...
He's not, that chart was garbage. Like Nick said. He talks about winning and Kareem has the same number of rings as Jordan and more appearances in the Finals. Like I've always said MJ didn't play just 6yrs he played 15yrs, so what happened the other 9yrs?
@@tankwhite.7036 Kareem wasn't the leader of 5 of his 6 chips. So saying "he has 6 like Jordan" is disengenous.
@@x-man9473 yeah like comparing Bill Russell 11 to Jordan 6!
@@tankwhite.7036 In that case are you willing to put Horry over Lebron. Lmao
@@Lovechie4life Are you willing to put Horry over Barkley?
Jordan had Pippen and Rodman
Kareem had Oscar Magic Worthy
Lebron had Wade Bosh Davis Kyrie Westbrook as HOF teammates
OTHER all star teammates
Jordan had............
Kareem had Norm Nixon Jamaal Wilkes
Lebron had Big Z Mo Williams Kevin Love
How does Jordan receive the LEAST amount of "help" but achieve MORE than Kareem and LeBron but somehow he's considered the 3rd best of the bunch 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Westbrook is past his prime with bron
@@dannyfonseca07 So was Rodman but since Jordan STILL WON people NEVER bring it up he was 37 and lost his starting job at one point during the season by 98 🤷🏾♂️
Facts!!!
How does Jordan achieve more than Lebron and Kareem with less help? Jordan’s competition in the finals wasn’t all that great tbh. But I still have him #1.
@@dannyfonseca07 he was still averaging a tripple double the season before and AD is in his prime. LeExcuses going wild
It’s funny how Nick uses this argument for Kareem over jordan but if you use it for Kareem over LeBron it’s not even close but Nick won’t do that obviously bc then it really wouldn’t be close
Bro it’s simple lebron has played 19 years at level no one including Kareem has.
@@Heavenlygmc Jordan’s peak was definitely higher than LeBrons peak
Somehow going 6/10 in finals is better than going 6/6....6 in a row....according to nick 😳😑 wtf am I watching? 😆
@@artur583 it wasn’t 6 in a row he fumbled the bag against Orlando
@@Heavenlygmc then he came back and swept em
I thought Kareem got unfairly fouled out in that 76ers series. After watching the game, I thought the refs were highly critical of Kareem and some foul calls seemed wrong. Holding that series over Kareem negatively is wrong.
Kareem is my goat! Dude was a record six-time NBA Most Valuable Player (MVP), a record 19-time NBA All-Star, a 15-time All-NBA Team member, and an 11-time NBA All-Defensive Team member. He was a member of six NBA championship teams as a player and two more as an assistant coach, and was twice voted NBA Finals MVP. He was named to three NBA anniversary teams (35th, 50th, and 75th).[1] Widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time,[2][3][4] often named a top 3 player in NBA history,[5][6] he was called the greatest basketball player of all time by Pat Riley, Isiah Thomas, and Julius Erving.[7][8][9]
He's so overlooked it's disgusting.
Agreed but Bron isn't 2
He played with so many Hall of Famers that I can’t give it to him
@@missrachel2 I agree, he is number 3.
He's my goat too. He had the best career from high school through the NBA. The never say kareem vs Jordan but I make the argument for that debate all of the time.
As a 38 year old man to me MJ is the greatest basketball player ever.
HOWEVER KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR IS GROSSLY DISRESPECTED I actually have him 2nd in my top 20 list and lebron 3rd...
So I'm not tripping on Nick with this I respect it 🤷🏿♂️
Chris tripping a little with his take on this (my opinion)
That’s subjective you could never say whose the greatest because it’s all opinion based
@@PatriccSellapound372 I can do what I want because it's MY LIST lol but I understand what your saying
Respect
Yeah Chris Broussard really never had an argument only that graphic Nick Wright tell a lot of facts about Kareem i was surprised about Chris Broussard actitud since he was screaming saying how Nick Wright was so wrong without telling an argument
I would say kareem is the greatest basketball player ever and Jordan is the greatest NBA player
@@THE1BELOWANDABOVEALL Another MJ fanboy did you are mad just because your lover is 3rd all time 😂😂😂 even if your argument is that Broussard brings that graphic that was his only argument he was really screaming and crying to Nick Wright saying he was wrong without telling an argument at least Nick Wright brings a graphic plus spoke a lot of facts about Kareem being over Jordan he also brings something else and was SportsCenter picking MJ as the greatest college basketball player of all time over legends like Kareem and Bill Russell and Wilt and Magic and even Bird all this 5 players are over MJ as a college basketball player this just proves how MJ fanboys are the most stupid and bias of all time that is exactly what SportsCenter is and also how ESPN for the most part is and much others that is how the media influence and brainwashed a lot of people always talking about MJ being the best when he is not
1:45 "Michael Jordan did not play 15 complete seasons".
What? So in Nick Wright's criteria for a GOAT, the player must play more than 15? Bill Russell, Magic, and Bird didn't do so either and they are GOATs. I'd think a player must play more than 10 years, win 3 or more titles while staying above .500 in the Finals, and create dynasty in that span. But heck, that's what LeBron failed to do.
Nick’s argument actually puts LeBron in 3rd place. Broussard got him on the ropes as always when the argument comes to Jordan. There is no question that MJ is 1. LeBron’s achievements don’t rank higher than Jordan’s and neither does his prime. Kareem’s prime isn’t even comparable to Jordan’s when he missed the playoffs as Broussard mentioned. The only thing Nick has as an argument is longevity and that is definitely not good enough to put Jordan number 3.
and jordan quit on his teammates during his prime after winning, id understand after a loss, but mans so weak, he couldnt handle the grind, hes a quitter, his own words was close to a burn out
Longevity must be a big part of the equation. Wilt Chamberlain was the most dominant player ever for one season, but that does not mean he is the best overall. If Michael Jordan was by far and away the best ever, then he would be the career points leader, and he is not. Michael Jordan is popular, rich, and has a "cool" factor, but that does not mean he is the best ever.
@@youraverage90sguys7 but yet ppl just add that to the fairy tale like quitting for 2 yrs dont count. They can say he was on the greatest team of all time but everyone else got more help than mj. Ppl so delusional
@@youraverage90sguys7 man’s weak? His father died that summer and his father always wanted him to play baseball so he left basketball to give his father’s wish a try. You really should do your research before you judge someone.
@@deanalbertson7203 Wilt’s dominance lasted for multiple seasons and if you don’t think playing at a historical level for 12 years is longevity after going to college, you really have some problems. The man walked into the league as one of, if not the best player. Averaged over 30 for 8 years, including 3 season over 33 a game. He has the highest player efficiency rating ever despite his “weak years” in Washington dropping that average. Karl Malone is 3rd all-time in points and never led the league in scoring. So according to you he is not only in the argument for being the GOAT but he is also a better scorer than Jordan. And with that argument Larry Bird and Magic Johnson might not even be hall of fame worthy.
I am a huge Kareem fan I think he never gets enough credit these days. That being said I would take MJ over him every time. In their primes MJ was better. A lot of Kareem accomplishments are because of his longevity not necessarily because he was a better player.
Alot of his Postseason accomplishments were due to Magic joining the team as well.
Would you rather be with a girl who's a 10 for 10 years or would you take a 9 for 15 years?
That’s BS argument because ppl call Brady the GOAT cause of longevity when it’s other players who can match his prime
@@asieduy that’s a poor analogy and you know it. Greatest is about peak. Longevity brings in a whole hosts of outside factors that don’t indicate skills, or impact on winning.
No one says I wanna be second. No one tells their boss no to a promotion because they prefer getting paid less. No one strives for their kids to be a follower. You don’t tell your daughter to date lower than the best she can.
Longevity isn't the reason. You have to be good for a long time to do what Kareem has
First of all, calling someone the second or third best person in HISTORY at a thing is not an insult.
Kareem was absolutely a monster. I have no problem with anyone bigging up their guy but if you’re going to say “x is better than Kareem because Y,” it’s wrong.
It’s got to be a judgement call because there’s nothing he didn’t accomplish.
Broussard explanation defending Jordan is so lame
@@albertparson5097 How so?
@@fundy023 To say because
@@fundy023 It was no big deal for Kareem to have been outplayed by Moses Malone in 1983 because he was 28 years old and in his prime Kareem was 36 years old and to add to that 3 tears later he was outplayed by Olajuwan at 39 just shows your how lame Brousard is He refers to himself as the elderly wise one but really I think not
@@albertparson5097 Right? And the reason I think it’s an insult isn’t because it is to everyone. But Kareem was without a doubt the goat before MJ and Lebron so for him to see himself go from #1 no doubt to never being higher than 3 by most analysts has got to feel like trash. And then these Michael Jordan apologists making it seem like he was perfect. He’s allowed to miss seasons and do this and that but nobody holds it against him. In every other sport longevity is one of the key factors. Nobody calls Tyson the greatest boxer of all time even though he had probably the best/most exciting prime. They’re all beyond amazing but when it’s this close it’s fair to nitpick every little thing but when only lebron and Kareem get any criticism how can you call that a fair argument?
I believe Nick just does this because he has been so invested on James being the goat, so he sticks with his take. But it’s okay, people already know who is the real goat.
Last time I checked, Kareem was asked if he was better than Jordan, he answered, no but I am effective as him. Nick and his fans cover their ears and eyes conveniently
Liar🤭
@@CreativeBigL you or Kareem?
Mj went to the Bulls and made them a dynasty. End of story. 2 3peats, 10 scoring titles, 5 MVPS, 6 Finals MVPS, DPOY, 9 time all defencive team, 2 times steals title.Highest scoring average. Total points says nothing. All time most efficient player. The scoring average and efficiency matters
@@kanestra8upmenace251 Not truth Bulls are considered the greatest team of all time for a reason Jordan never won without Pippen at least Kareem won in Bucks without Magic also MJ had Pippen and Phil Jackson and great shooters and clutch players around him like Kukoc and Kerr and also the greatest rebounder in the last 40 years at least named Rodman so yes he had much more help than Kareem had in his career
And you are now ignoring everything and all facts that Nock Wright said about Kareem
@@paulrodriguez2337 ok let’s start 6 championships Kareem to 6 championships MJ (Mj never lost a final and never went to game seven). In all 6 Finals MJ got the MVP and was the best player of his time. On the other side Kareem was only 2 times MVP. . This alone says it all . Kareem was not even the best player of his team. I don’t have to go to the 10 scoring titles of MJ versus 2 of Kareem and other individual accolades that MJ is better than Kareem, Kareem is totally overrated. He should be outside the Top 5. In his peak Shaq was WAY BETTER than Kareem. Not to forget that Kareem was ridiculed 2 times by other centers. In 1983 Finals where the lakers lost 4-0 from the sixes and Moses Malone made fun of him - go check the stats and in 1986 western conference finals against the Houston Rockets from Hakeem the dream
@@georgekontogouris6618 Ok You are again ignoring all the facts that Nick Wright said about Kareem you are just going by whatever you like i will not debate with you about Kareem stats and accomplishments just go to watch the video and see Kareem accomplishments and what he do in his career only thing i will said in response of your thing about Shaq you need to be a dumb person to put Shaq over Kareem everyones know that Kareem is much greater Shaq really didn’t do much in his career what he do without Kobe just tell me he never accomplished a lot also in response to what you said about Kareem getting swept and dominate by Moses Malone like common MJ got swept in the 1st round thrice 😂😂😂 he got dominated by Larry Bird he was just a loser before Pippen came there and before he had a great team he also retired twice so he quit from basketball since he had no longevity Kareem just play and dominate for his whole 20 years career he was the best player for over a decade i am talking about from the 70s to starting at the 80s he also won 6 MVP and could won DPOY multiple times but the award didn’t exist in that time also remember MJ miss playoffs with Wizards and the best prove about he doing nothing without a great team is first years with Bulls he never make the Finals and win championship until the Pistons got old also with Wizards he miss playoffs and got bad games and i don’t want excuses of him being 38 years old because at that age Kareem became the oldest FMVP in history and at 40 years old he was competing in the Finals while MJ was missing playoffs and getting forget by people 😂😂😂😂
@@paulrodriguez2337 it’s the only thing you have to say because you have no arguments. stupid facts of Nick. Always avoids mentioning the serious facts that separate the Goat from the Greats . Keep listening and o stupid Nick
Greatness is making the play when it counts
Greatness is Winning 🏆
Greatness is leadership
Greatness is dominating the league
Greatness is never being dominated
Greatness is making jaw-dropping plays in the heat of big games
Greatness is Michael Jordan
Greatness ain’t quitting on your team twice
Never being dominated? Let’s not forget him losing to Detroit 3 years in a row in the playoffs.
@@joshuadean525 losing to the defending champions isn’t the same as choking away a title to Dirk.
that's not an argument, it's a bad love poem to Michael Jordan. Here's some questions why is he better than Kareem, who has the same number of rings, more league MVPs, scored more points, at a higher shooting percentage, pulled down more rebounds, more blocks, only averaged a little than one fewer assists per game. Or why is Jordan better than Chamberlain, who one year averaged 50pts and 20rbs per game, who once averaged 48.1 minutes per game, who one year lead the lead in assists. Or why is he better than Russell who had 11 rings in 13 years, and 8 in a row?
@@robotclark I can answer that: propaganda. Jordan's biggest fear is being forgotten and these people don't even know what came before him. Let Kareem get a documentary on Netflix. Let people see what wilt did.
Not a longevity award nick wrong
Lefraud is still 4 and 6 . Period . With several choke disappearing acts in finals . Can't change that .
He put Kareem at number 1 so when Lebron passes Kareem’s scoring record next year, he can put Lebron number 1
This comment is exactly how Nick is setting it up
And this is why I consider Nick to be slippery and disingenuous. He is just blindly biased for Lebron, the shepherd of the "blind witnesses" to reluctantly use a Skip reference.
Nick think he smart lol
@@kybernetic8 but what he said still is a fact you can’t counter the argument that kareem had a better carrier than MJ kareem is like Duncan Kobe comparison Duncan is better than Bryant but a lot of people take Kobe because he was electrifying
@Tong Zou he picks and chooses when the Lebron is goat narrative suits his conversation. In this one I don’t think the year after missing the playoffs he could convince everyone Lebron is #1, but saying Kareem instead of Jordan is better makes him seem “less” biased, knowing the second Lebron passes Kareem in scoring Nick will elevate him to goat. He’s essentially reinventing the goat argument by throwing Kareem in there to make it seem like Jordan and Lebron fans can meet in the middle knowing when Lebron passes him it’ll be easier to convince people Lebron is the goat
Jordan haters (like Nick) only ever have one thing to fall back on to take Jordan off their #1 spot, and it's always about total stats. That's all it ever is. Can't be about winning: Jordan has won more and in less chances. Can't be about per game stats, especially on scoring: Jordan the most. Can't be about all around game: Jordan 10 scoring titles, 9 all defense in basically 11 full seasons of his prime (Kareen only 2 scoring titles, Lebron 1). Can't be about advanced stats: Jordan 28 PER vs Kareen 24 PER, Kareen .224 WS/48 vs Jordan's .250.
There's just nothing to the arguments to have Kareen or Lebron above Jordan other than that they played 20+ seasons. That's it. That's the only thing you can say to rank them above Jordan, and I'm sorry, it just doesn't do it for me. At all. Not even factoring in the fact that Jordan retired TWICE in his prime.
Wow Nick Is so right about this it’s scary!
100% true and so many arguments that are in favour of MJ that will take hours to write them
You hit it on the money
No one who says “it’s about winning” then says any name other than Russell has any credibility.
Dude won 3 championships in a row, twice!!! SAY LESS. Jordan is the GOAT.
MJ By far the goat. not even close
against worn out teams? Not to mention having all time great teammates? Didnt he get bounced off 1st round everytime scottie wasnt there? but yea stay delusional.
Last time i remember twas the Bulls led by Mj and Phil not only Jordan but yeah go ahead casual lmao
@@pepegachamp684 What worn out teams? Jordan played with one franchise player in his career. Jordan led the Bulls out of the 1st round with a rookie 8th man Pippen, rookie Pippen started zero games, no All-Rookie team and wasn't even the best rookie on the Bulls. How many 1st round exits does Pippen have without Jordan despite joining Hakeem and Barkley and a stacked Portland team?
@@pepegachamp684 Stay indignant with your worn out excuses.
Nick kinda presents too much evidence and NOW LeBron looking like he doesn't belong 2nd all time either as REAL FANS already knew he wasn't better than Jordan or Kareem and LeBron actually belongs in the crowd with Magic Duncan and Kobe 🤷🏾♂️
Imma big lebron fan and the case that he made for kareem def changed my mind on lebron being second lol but I’m ok with him being 3rd
what?! lol lebron does more on the court than mike, kobe, duncan, etc. bron has scored, rebounded, and gotten assists his whole career.
@@Tonio5100 i actually watch the games and now lebron still dominated when he didnt have a star teammates unlike jordan,
@@romondoellison1332 The man just had HOFer as teammates and had a WORSE record than Jordan on the Wizards with Kwame Brown & Tyrone Lue 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@romondoellison1332 Jordan only needed ONE star teammate to win SIX titles Lebron played with like 8-12 stars in his career and only won 4 GTFOH 🤦🏾♂️
This chiberish from nick is not debatable Mr Wright is Wrong ! Mj all the way
Dr. J Julius Erving said that Kareem in his opinion was the greatest player to ever play the game of professional basketball!
MJ is #1 and I hate when people pencil Lebron in at 2. Kareem is my 2
MJ 3rd all time actually 😂😂😂
@@paulrodriguez2337 🤡🤡🤡
@@andrerandall7873 The only clown 🤡🤡🤡 on here is you
The case for Kareem ahead of Jordan is one of longevity and availability. The guy was available for 20 years and was dominant in about 15 of those. I can see why someone would take that over Jordan's dominant 10 years. Afterall the best ability is availability.
Yep , Kareem was insane , the top three guys all have cases people get too irrational
10 years???? Jordan was dominate over 13 years. All 13 with the bulls. Unless you don’t want to count the year he got hurt and the year he missed half with retirement
This is very true
Leave NW alone...he's going to die on this hill. NW is one of those you just agree to disagree with...he's a troll 😄. He knows it
with age I definitely have more respect for this angle....Kareem, Rose, Ripken, Lebron....guys who played a ton of games at an uber high level. Respect.
If Nick can convince you that the greatest car of all time is a Fiat... stop. Get some help.
He has Kareem #2 & Magic #4. How does he explain how Jordan has as many rings as Kareem with Scottie being so much lower than Magic? And James Worthy is on his list too.
And if longevity is such a big factor, how in the world is Luka on this list, let alone in the top 20?!
Nick should've titled this his "Favorites of the last 50 years" list.
I don't think Jordan or Durant would be on his favorites list though lol!
1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. Kareem
It's just that simple
1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Lebron
Now that’s what u call simple.
Kareem should be #1
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Kobe
4. Lebron
5. Magic
@@soleil3gs Kareem should be #1
Nick Wright should never, ever be allowed to talk basketball ever again.
When the debate is about the GOAT NBA player and you start listing guys’ achievements in high school and college…THAT’s desperation.
Wildes didn’t have to even say much … but he smoked Nick with that final scenario 😂 pick one player to start ya franchise with , I pick Lebron , u got MJ & Kareem left who ya taking ? 🤣😂
MJ 6 finals MVP . That means everytime you win a championship, you are the main reason your team won .
End of the debate .
Kareem did not win with the Lakers until he had Migic Johnson .
I can honestly see how Kareem could be considered the best NBA player of all time. The thing that everybody is seeing right now is that if Kareem is considered the greatest NBA player of all time then that would totally move LeBron to being #3 at most because Jordan accomplished more in a shorter period of time.
Nick can’t help but CONSTANTLY chirp when others are speaking.
Yeah he's annoying AF, constantly trying to cut in and interrupt the other two even though he's already dominated the first 5 minutes of the segment...and the segments only go 10 mins on average.
This is a perfect example of how you can't compare players from different eras, positions, etc. All of us stat nerds (and I did say 'us' lol) can manipulate the numbers to influence the opinions of others, but it's really subjective and what you like at the end of the day. With that said, Michael Jeffrey Jordan.
That's where analytics comes into play. And Jordan is still #1 PER of all time🤷🏾♂️he's just the GOAT
@@norwoodhammond650 my man Jordan averaged 30 ppg for a career shooting an average of 1 3-pointer per game. Jordan has the most players defeated on his list that NEVER got a Win on Jordan.
@@norwoodhammond650 PER such a bad stat it’s creator knows
@@tyjohnson3111 right, unless it's your guy who had the highest PER of all time.
@@norwoodhammond650 PER doesn’t even weigh defense properly
Chris, Wilt was having to face a LOADED Celtics team year after year. You know that.
Load with trash bags who could barely dribble
not only that, the margin in which he lost the 4 times he went 7 games against russel series was 9 points over 4 game 7s, bascially 2 points per game, thats a single possession game, couldve easily been a toss up, russel never dominated even with a loaded team when things were equal
Wilt had loaded teams too don’t forget that
@@Playboyy1985 yes he did, but never nowhere near to how loaded russels team was.
its exactly like lebron and kd, yes cavs was loaded, but gsw with kd was not getting beat by anybody, same with celtics in 60s
@@youraverage90sguys7 nooo not even close. Russell did not have a dynasty type team that also added another top 20 player of all time. The three years After Cousy retired: 64, ‘65, and especially ‘66 Wilt had easily the better cast and still lost to Russell. His numbers drop drastically from regular season to playoffs as well.
Funny how nick wright, always mentions jordan swept in the first round, but lebron getting swept in the finals twice,and chocking in 2011
First round sweeps should be countered with missing the playoffs. - Jordan swept 3 times (and missed it 2x with wizards) vs Lebron didnt even make it 4times
Would you rather a silver medal or not even making the podium ?
@@Black_Elmer_Fudd lebron year 1 missed playoffs Year 2 missed playoffs Year 3 finally made playoffs in a weaker eastern conference.
first roun is more e,barrassing
The boy did not do his homework! He says any of those three has a legitimate case GOAT. Only one has it and that is Michael Jordan.
Jordan never played with a TOP 20 player all time.
Kareem played with 2 Top 20 players all time.
Lebron, arguably played with 1 top 20 player all time in Wade.
It’s ridiculous to have Kareem over Jordan.
thank you.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only reason Kareem was so good at age 40 was because he was 7' and back then that meant so much more than it does today
7 foot 2*
It's still valuable in the modern game. See KD, Giannis and Shaq. Sure they may not be 7,2 but they may as well be 7 footers.
And? I mean, I don't see why that's in the discussion: it's not a bad thing to be tall, and it's not more important for a basketball team of you are effective because you are smart, tall, athletic or whatever. This thing that "skill" is more important is such a fake argument: would rather have Kyrie or Giannis? Kyrie's way more skilled, but Giannis is the better player and that's it.
You're absolutely right, being tall is awesome. I myself I am 6'8 and I absolutely love it. I wouldn't trade it for the world, so you are preaching to the choir but my point was back in the NBA at that time, players could easily pad their stats if they were that height. Kareem was amazing but the idea that he was better than Michael Jordan is just crazy. That's just my opinion
And I'm not saying that it's not valuable to be tall. It's one of the most valuable assets a player can have. What I meant was back when Kareem was playing, there were way less 7-footers in the league. Now every team has two or three, back then some of the post players were 6'9.
He bought up Kareem breaking his hand but not Jordan breaking his foot in his 2nd season 😂
If you want to argue MJ as no. 1, fine go ahead. But I don't want to hear anyone try to tear down KAJ in order to prop up MJ. KAJ is a GOAT tier player who has a legitimate argument as no. 1
I love his longevity arguments. LeBron has played an average of 56/year with the Lakers, and Magic was dragging Kareem along for the ride towards the end. Meanwhile, the infamous Wizards version of Michael played 82 games at the age of 40. In fact, LeBron has played 82 games ONCE in his career, Kareem did it 5 times and MJ did it 9 times
How was magic dragging kareem when Kareem won finals mvp playing with magic 🤨
This is spoken like a true basketball novice Magic Johnson was not dragging Kareem alone Magic Johnson only made one finals when he wasn't playing with Kareem at least know your history before you open your mouth
With all those nine times he played 82 games he still didn't play more years more games for more points get more rebounds more assists more blocks than Kareem
@@Tojohiruma I was mostly speaking of the last couple of years where they lost to Detroit, beat Detroit and beat Boston. I think there's a legitimate case that Magic should have won both of those Finals MVPs instead of just the one
Jordan couldn't keep it up tho. He literally quit the league for years at a time in between.
Peewee Bell
If your Goat is based on stats, lthen it’s LeBron.
If you want rings, look at Russell.
If you want MVPs and Lifetime Achievements look for Kareem.
If you want records, look for Wilt.
If you want impact, look for Steph.
If you want dominance, look for Shaq.
If you want defense, Rodman
If you want athletics, find Kemp, Giannis
If you want game changers, Bird or Magic.
If you want dunks that wow you, look for Carter, Dr. J or Wilkins.
If you want someone that messes with the opponent mind with trash talk, look for Garnett.
If you want on and off the court influence, look for Iverson.
If you want a great scoring skill set, look for Durant.
If you want competitiveness, look for Kobe.
If you want Clutch moment, look for Jerry West.
If you want a Iron man that never missed games, then A C Green
But if you want it all - then it’s Jordan.
Nick makes a list to hide all of Lebrons failures, which is a whole lot of them. What a disgrace.
Losing in the finals is a failure?
@@dparks2856 yes
As usual nick gets it wrong again and who cares about your list anyway
Apparently according to Nick you can’t even make the case for Wilt being the GOAT. Only MJ, Kareem, and LeBron.
Nick tripping. At least put MJ at 2 if you're to have Kareem at 1 then Lebron 3rd.
Debates would be no fun if everyone thought the same way
It's not always about longevity. With Nick Wright's logic, Jackie Chan is ranked over Bruce Lee.
Jackie Chan is a better action star
@@DannyDoGood overall, nobody ranks Jackie Chan over Bruce Lee. Jackie would would slap you in the face if you do. 😅
Jackie Chan has smashed Bruce Lee in box office revenue like a hundred times over, so yeah, that actually is a factor.
@@onidtubes The legend of Bruce Lee is big, but Rush Hour beats every movie he's ever made, in the box office. Chan is a bigger action star.
If you guys are millenials, I don't blame you, lol. Let's go ahead and rank Steven Seagal over Bruce cause he was a box office king too. 😅When I say " overall " , i include impact.
No real problem with Kareem being top . That still doesn't make Lefraud top 5 or 10 .
Finally some respect for my GOAT, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar! If you take into account his college career, it's not even close.
I'm not going to take into consideration the 5 foot 8 white guys he played against in the PAC-12 for 3 years whatsoever, he's still top 3 of course on NBA career alone.
His college career has nothing to do with nba career.
Lmao
only a mfing casual thinks college career matters
@@dakotabrewer3930 That's the problem with the GOAT discussion. It's never really defined because the hall of fame takes pre nba basketball into account.
OK, listen, I'm 5 sec into the video n it's already apparent that nick is just being skip. Not being realistic or objective whatsoever, n pushing his own narrative. In no REAL, respected list is MJ anywhere lower than 2nd. That's not even a debate. It's honestly not even a debate between him n Bron, MJ is clearly ahead of him, but putting him 3rd completely discredits nick n his list.
You’re not being objective yourself by saying that Jordan can be no lower than 2
@@kaelinjefferies9267 huh? How? Lol. Like there's absolutely no scenario where he can b considered worse than BOTH lebron AND Kareem.
KAJ and LBJ actually have the most comparable careers. Noone thinks KAJ is the GOAT over MJ.
Sorry but you HAVE to include Wilt Chamberlain in this discussion. The NBA literally changed rules to stop him - they widened the lane to stop him. What rules were change to stop Jabbar? Jordan? LeBron?
It's of the last 50 years. We arent including anyone before
Come on Nick… you can’t be doing the 🐐 like that. MJ > Lebron
Lebron>MJ
Nick is too disrespectful he didn't act like that when Chris Carter was on the show CC always made him tuck his tail
Something important was brought up in this video. When you look at the BIG picture, things become a lot more clear. Kareem was great, but he had the Showtime Lakers. His team was stacked, and you could argue that he wasn't even the greatest LAKER of all time. LeBron and Wilt have AMAZING career stats, but neither one of them played for a dynastic team, or ruled an era. Magic and LeBron could guard 1-5, and MJ really couldn't do that. So props to them. Russell was the greatest WINNER of of his generation, but his individual stats were not otherworldly like Wilt who played in the same era, so let's break this down.
1. Jordan Played for a dynastic team that not only ruled an era, but never lost or even allowed a game seven in the finals. He also never lost in the Olympics or world championships. Jordan, and a group of college kids beat an all star pro team, every time they played them. (So much for "he couldn't beat Bird or Magic in their prime"). This was the ONLY time in Jordan's career, other than in international play, that he got to play with an elite level center. Keep in mind that this is when the big men in the league were dominant, and they hadn't taken time off how long they could be in the lane.
2. Jordan played with ONE consistent all star.
3. Jordan has amazing career stats, and his per game stats are even better. Advanced analytics has him at the top of the list.
4. Jordan made the game a global phenomenon. He is by far the most influential player of all time. Everyone wanted to "be like Mike."
5. Little known fact, Jordan went almost eight seasons without a three game loss streak. Thats 626 games! Second place? Steph Curry, with 314! Jordan literally has 312 more than second place!
6. Speaking of Steph. He has been the most influential player of his generation, has a 3-1 record against LeBron, has won four chips on LeBron's watch, and his Warriors, not any of Lebron's teams, have been the dynasty of the last decade. LeBron has played in the era of two dynasties. The Spurs and Warriors, but has never had one of his own.
7. Jordan had the highest peak of any player ever. LeBron has had the longest. Jordan won six chips in the 90's and was retired for four years out of that decade. Nobody ever singlehandedly ruled the NBA like Jordan.
8. Jordan was NEVER outplayed in the finals. LeBron is on my Mount Rushmore, but 2011 HAPPENED. It was one of the worst performances by an all time great player that I've ever seen. That isn't hate. Thats real talk. He shrunk.
9. Awards and accolades. I don't really need to go into this.
10. Jordan's biggest "weakness" was being a SLIGHTLY below average 3 point shooter for his career, and he improved as his career went on. When someone dared him to shoot 3's he went 6-6 in a playoff game. He could also do anything he wanted. As a point guard, he averaged a triple double.
11. My last point, and this is slightly subjective. None of us really gets to decide who the G.O.A.T is. That is a matter settled in the court of public opinion. I personally believe that Willie Mays is the greatest baseball player of all time, but he isn't, at least not in the eyes of the public. That honor belongs to George Herman Ruth. MJ, in fan polls, media polls, and polls involving other players, beats everyone soundly.
All the other players I mentioned are all time greats. They all deserve respect, and LeBron deserves respect for his on and off the court ventures, but MJ had it all. If you don't agree, that's fine. But thats my case, and I'll die on that hill.
I'm Sharing That Hill With U
Well said. No objections, your honor.
The era MJ ruled was due to good timing. He couldn't win during peak Celtics/Lakers (but Isiah did) and when he started winning there were all young teams or teams in their 1st year together. MJ beat the old Lakers. Only Portland and Utah weren't either young or 1st year teams
@@MrMDMPOfficial check mate! And that's the beginning.
I can't wait to see the Kareem at #2 podcast. After watching the podcast of MJ at #3, I felt even more convinced that MJ was the GOAT. I've seen only parts of MJ's Final two seasons, in particular the Finals against Utah. I wasn't really watching the NBA seriously until around 2003-04 when I became a Dallas fan. But hearing about everything MJ did, and Nick breaking everything down, my thoughts were, "Wow. This is better than anything I've seen LeBron do." And I've watch LeBron's entire career.
After hearing him break down Kareem's career, I might be inclined to put Kareem over LeBron. Right now I have LeBron as 2nd, behind only MJ. But the way he's hyping Kareem, I might have to change my mind and put Kareem at #2. I'm already on the fence about putting Magic at #2 because his break down of Magic made me think that Magic may be better than LeBron, too.
I stopped when you said you listening to nick he wrong by a mile and his stats dont hold up in a real debate, dont get lost.
@@DEPORTKYLE lmao this guy is literally disagreeing with Nick here and if watched his podcast where he goes over MJ's career it's nothing but praise throughout and I actually found out one or two things I didn't already know. Probably should read the whole comment before replying
I had the exact same thoughts but I think you'll be even more impressed with LeBron's career breakdown if you value longevity. Jordan had the best peak no doubt, but LeBron and Kareem's peaks were sustained for a far longer period.
@@asieduy But I've watched LeBron his entire career. I know what LeBron has done, and I know his accomplishments like the back of my hand. I've followed his accolades, triumphs, and failures. So, I don't actually need a break down of what he's done. I already know it. Based on what I know and seen of LeBron, it doesn't stack up to MJ. Longevity matters to an extent, yes. But I value how dominant a player was over simply longevity.
MJ's 12 seasons with Chicago was so dominant, he accomplished more in those 12 seasons than LeBron has accomplished in 19 seasons.
@@DEPORTKYLE Yea, you should read the whole comment. MJ is the GOAT.
But still, as wrong as Nick is about MJ being #3, this series is very well done. His break down of each player is impressive. You can tell he spent years researching all of these players. It's worth a listen, even if he is dead wrong about MJ.
Nick wright is a known Jordan hater idk why his Jordan analyst is taken seriously
Thanks nick u got me evaluating bron differently.. Now I got him 7th
Hes 10th on my list
The funniest thing for Nick's argument is that the same comparisons he's making for MJ to KAJ, KAJ beats out Lebron by a mile 🤣, but yet LBJ is #1???
Hes a utter fool. Jordan must have not gave him an autograph when he was a kid or something
Easier to just call Nick stupid
Not really Lebron is going to pass Kareem in points, and also has 10k assist and rebounds and unlike Kareem he was the best player on all his championship teams, Lebrons longevity is already better than kareems too, the only thing mj has is 2more rings which is because mj didn’t have to play the warriors with kD back to back years and 1 more mvp
@@randygoku4055 so as per Nick, 6 out of 10 is better than 6 out of 6, what do you say for 4 out of 10. Is that better?
Most rings of the era, most mvps of the era... Isn't that more than LBJ too?
More rebounds than MJ he said. LBJ?
Most unstoppable shot. Does LBJ even have one?
I think he spoke about two way player. Has LBJ been a better 2 way player than KAJ? I think KAJ is third or fourth in blocks all-time.
Listen, LeBron gets a lifetime achievement award. He deserves it. One of the greatest. Definitively. But stop with the GOAT stuff now. He's not even better than KAJ on the lifetime basis, much less on a GOAT status.
@@randygoku4055 also, MJ made the Bulls his era's Warriors. Unstoppable. And that was literally unstoppable. We always try to use the Warriors argument against MJs teams without realizing that it is the most nonsensical thing to do. MJ WAS the big bad wolf. And nobody, Magic, Isiah, Drexler, Hakeem, Shaq, Stockton and Malone, Payton and Kemp, Ewing and the Knicks, Reggie and the Pacers, Zo and Miami, Barkley and his Suns..., NOBODY was gonna get past him. Of course he didn't have the Warriors to play. He was THAT guy... His team was a better Warriors
Nick Wrong caught a little too much sun. He did not witness MJ's athletic peak years, he's too young, the man could fly, he really transcended the game before the first retirement. He keeps mentioning Wizards' MJ cause that's all he saw smh.
Kareem was the best player of the 70's and only had one ring to show for it before Magic came along. As Brou said, he was a starter/complimentary player for the last ring.
LeBron can only dream of getting anywhere near MJ's level.
I been watching NBA basketball since LITERALLY the early 80s.. I say that to say this,>> Jordan is the most exiting player I've ever seen with my own 2 eyes,. And LeBron is the best overall player I've seen with my own 2 eyes . DONE !
Nick Constantly mentions FINAL APPEARANCES! Buffalo Bills have 4 consecutive Super Bowl Appearances! Appearances don't matter WINNING MATTERS! Nick is ridiculous.
MJ is the GOAT, nick. Just accept it. What has Lebron done to even surpass Magic, let alone MJ?
Agreed
he's done plenty to surpass magic.... Bron is almost inarguably a better all-around and more individually impactful player than Magic, and is just as accomplished for his career. he's still not better than Jordan tho
Nah he just used Kareem as cover for his LeBron case. Smart but not missed Nick. LeBron still is not better than Jordan, and the case you made for Kareeem can be used to put LeBron at 3. Usually great but this segment was a miss.
Nick has gone from the guy everyone loves to hate to being Broussard's punching bag.
Facts 😂😂😂
And yet Nick stupidly thinks he’s winning the debate.
Nick we have missed you man 😅
Anyone wanna tell Chris that Pippen lead the bulls in every single statistical category over those 6 finals besides scoring? Or does that only count against Kareem?
Nick argues with emotion and pretends he is being objective. Chris smashed him with that graphic showing MJ did more in fewer seasons.
That graphic was so biased 😂 someone could easily do that to favor LeBron or Kareem as well. Dude put all-defense selections but not all-nba selections, 3-peats instead of finals appearances, and dedicated two whole categories to meaningless single season statistical 'championships'.
@@matthasahand5495 Well I'd argue that WINNING 3-peats and doing it TWICE is more impressive than going to the finals and losing. Many players have done that. But I agree, take that out, you still have MJ over all of them. Additionally all-nba selections again, is a longevity stat. The fact that Jordan as a shooting guard who everyone remembers as a scorer was all defense MORE times in LESS years than the others is astounding. Again LeBron and Kareem have the longevity stats. That's it.
@@mak23997 having 3 peats and rings as two categories is redundant. It doesn't matter how close the chips are together, just that they exist. At a certain point longevity matters, otherwise we would only judge guys by their very best season. And all NBA 1st teams is not a longevity stat. Only 3 guys ever have more than 10.
@@mak23997
Didn’t his 3Peats come through a year & half’s worth of rest away from the NBA grind?
Isn’t MJ solely responsible for the length of his career?
No one alone did more for the league than MJ. Nick Wrong should be released
As has been obvious for some time, this is why Nick Wrong as an “analyst” is the Worst Of All Time (WOAT).