I love Chris but Nick is just making his arguments look silly ! LBJ = GOAT. Chris trying to make it interesting he knows the true ! Keep preaching, nick !
NICK GETS SMOKED AGAIN LMAOOOOOOOO imagine thinking totals is greater than averages In that case the rebound champ scoring champ assist champ steals champ and blocks champ each season should go the totals and not the per game lmaooooooooo bron sycophants are so weird weak and wack Still love the guy though. Bron was the true genius child who exceeded expectations and is a good dude, period.
Nick - “The body of work is so much better…” MJ - 6chip, 6FMVP, 5MVP, x10scoring, x3 steals, DPOY, x10 All- NBA first, x9 defensive 1st in less than 15 seasons LBJ - 4chips, 4FMVP, 4MVP, x1 scoring, x1 assist, x5 defensive 1st x13 all-NBA 1st in OVER 20 seasons??? C’mon, the body of work from MJ far surpasses that of LBJ.
Nick's entire bron premise begins with knowing any objective criteria has Jordan as no. 1 so he made a career creating nonsense arguments. No one says Kareem was the greatest scorer of all time; he wasn't. It's always been Jordan vs Wilt. We go by averages and between Jordan and wilt Jordan had the highest scoring averages on the highest efficiency ( per ). Where nick turned into skip Bayless was when he started deciding he would use half truths and outright lies to create an argument where there was none. The extent it's gotten at this point is pretty pathetic; he picks arguments he can't win and thinks whining and arrogance will help.
Not only was LeBron the most hyped athlete ever coming out of high school he also had to prove himself in front of the world with the social media era. Bron didn’t have the luxury of hiding mistakes. If he did it we saw it. So to achieve what he has achieved is absolutely remarkable.
Exactly the media will let you think mj had a perfect career. He played more than 6 seasons right? The pistons owned him in the 2nd round till they was old and beat up right? They say Jordan will be the best forever that's biased what if someone not even Bron come in and lead they team to 7 chips or more then what.they gone go off a stats like Bron. Oh wait bill Russell got 11 he's the undisputed goat then. This argument is so biased 🤦🏾♀️
Not really. He skipped college and had extra years that the greats of the past didn't have. Also, he played against soft defense where fouls are called if someone breathes on you too hard. He would have failed against the defenses of the past when flopping wasn't accepted as much.
They have to so they can keep their ridiculous jobs that they are paid way too much money for. I mean all they do is talk about games that other athletes play...games people, games.
I'm a Jordan fan boy and it kills me how much time we waste comparing him and LeBron James. They're both great. We got to enjoy Jordan in the 90s and we got LeBron for the last 20 years. We're just lucky to get to witness these players but people get too caught up in the comparison.
Absolutely, no one has dominated so many aspects of the game like LBJ. Its why you could place him in any team and immediately become serious championship contenders. I mean I still remember to this day those playoffs finals during his peak when he would lead BOTH teams in ALL the major STATS, win or lose jus herculean! But because the game at the end of the day is best described as putting the ball in the basket, so MJ will remain the GOAT since he was most efficient at that and did it in volumes.
@@nashyhabibu4881 I feel Lebron would have benefitted either going all in as a PG or all in as a scoring wing. He isn’t the “best” at anything. If he put up 24-25 a game and elevated those assists to 10-11 a game or just went all out on scoring putting up 30 a game and lowered his assists, it would help him as wild as that seems.
@ShemShakur Well, it's not like he's Jordan, but that was unrealistic. Michael was 1/1. Bron is a different kind of 1/1. If he didn't push the MJ comparisons from the jump most would just enjoy his greatness.
At 17:25 Seeing Chris’s facial reactions trying to keep a straight face when hearing Lebron played most his games with Ilgauskas, Varejao, and Mike Brown was great lol
@@CoachVFitness do you even watch the sport? varejo, and ilgauskas good really? They were mediocre. Mike brown a good coach he drew up great plays despite the lack of talent. lebron ran pick and roll action the whole game.
@@Eric-cb9tz I knew they were all-stars but dont watch NBA lol...fact are facts...At one point those two were amongst the 24 best players in the league...and neither got voted by the fans
@@CoachVFitnessvarejo was never an all star clown and big Z was an all star once truth is LeBron didn't have close to another star player on those early Cavs teams and if you think he did ur delusional
Wildes just gave one of the greatest descriptions of LeBron as a human, basketball player, dad, role model and as the Man in the Arena ive ever heard. Someone out there please transcribe it so i dont have to. Hopefully someone sends it to LeBron so it can be immortalized along with this great accomplishment. it was probably off the cuff with not a lot of thought to it, but its worthy of his hall of fame induction speech. WELL DONE WILDES!!
The only problem I really had with James is he is all for social justice, except in China because that would hurt his pocketbook. Now for that part a lot of people would go that route and if he would have just remained quiet and kept his pockets, but he shouldn't have chimed in about Daryl Morey. Now for 20 years in the league and that is all i got (well maybe the self promotion stuff but that is the way it is today) that is an amazingly short list. Big MJ fan but if social media was around in his day, well lets just say he would have had to adapt his life a whole bunch, because I can only imagine what might have came out.
This is when you know niqqa doesn't care about winning lmfao. Down by only a few points but aight, I broke the record already I'm done for the night and the season 🤣. 13th seed. 2 game losing streak. Below .500. Bronsexuals funny asf. Luckily most are still sane since they still have MJ, Magic, Bird, or Kareem ahead of Lefraud. 😂😂
Both are fun analysts, but their opposing positions in this debate are a clear example of why Broussard is, and has been for a long time, the best basketball analyst of entertainment news.
@@thejuniors5345 Yeah buddy, you love a bit of Brou, don't you! Quick side note, Nick Wright started using the nickname "Brou" on his show the EXACT SAME DAY as he... (you try to work out the rest)
There's a chemistry to these three, and I think without one of them the magic is gone. Wildes is not just quiet for long periods, he has his facial expressions, and then with great wit and brevity, the punch lines. I love this show.
@@RL-ww5ev He played 11 HEALTHY SEASONS and won 6 💍 that were over 50% and being 6/6 in the Finals is UNDEFEATED and UNDISPUTED wether it hurt ur feelings or not. ♟️
the real reason that the NBA scoring record hasn't been pedastalized like other sports records is simply the fact that its seemed unobtainable so we put it out of our minds
The reason why that record seemed less than the other records is because nobody thought it would ever be broken! It was so far out of peoples mind. It will mean more now that he has broken it.
@@ShemShakurfirst of all 50,000 would mean he averages 48 pts those three years that he was in college. Not happening. Lebron still has 5 good years in him. He could very well get to 50,000 if he keeps averaging 30 like he is now.
I don't know why but I've really always loved Wildes' takes. Feel like someone who has greater depth than even displayed on the show. "It's hard to get stuff done" that's just a true and on point observation.
He took the most shots in the league every year he won the scoring title. The guy who shot the most, scored the most. That's not as impressive to me. Don't come at me with, LeBron could do the same cause I'll come at you with, Jordan could've played more.
@@John-yt8cl Lebron currently leads the league in taken shots - only 7th in points... Lead the league last year in attempts, no scoring title. So, if a guy shooting the most - scoring the most isnt impressive to you, how about a guy shooting the most and not scoring the most?
And still won championships and raised nba ratings when no one could even watch the nba in 1999-2000.. Jordan literally grew and saved the nba from demise
I am constantly amazed that nobody punches Nick in the face when he says that. Describing retiring as quitting is bad enough, but when talking about the first retirement, ya know the one that came very shortly after his father being murdered, is quite possibly the most despicable thing anyone says in these debates. Like I get it, Nick has to try to perform his mental gymnastics, but the fact he is willing to sink that low makes him pretty much the worst human being currently working on these sports talk shows.
Making this moment into MJ vs LeBron takes away from one of the greatest moments of LeBron’s career. That being said, I’ll always love watching these two have it out.
He's not Jordan. Nice job though bron. Jordan would have destroyed that record if he cared about it. Yes, I bring up Jordan every day!! I mean, it's Jordan. He's every top athlete's favorite athlete!!! #23
The only thing Jordan accomplished before Pippen got there was a Rookie of the year award and 1 Playoff win in 3 series. LeBron won a Scoring Title, 2 MVP's, Rookie of the Year, 4 1st Team ALL NBA, 2 1st Team All DT, 2 All Star Game MVP's and a trip to the Finals without a player of Pippens' caliber.
@@RL-ww5ev Jordan only played 2 full seasons without Pippen. Is that a fair argument to hold against him? LeBron could not make the playoffs until he got Larry Hughes... this is a true statement, but is it fair?
Bron def was the most hyped player ever and he has actually lived up to the hype. That alone is impressive. Cus most hyped players never live up to it.
The only issue i have against that is, I don't feel like he lived up to it. For me him teaming up with and not competing against his competition means he didn't live up to the hype, more like he shortcut-ted his way to it.
@@strmshadow8411 He's in a league where there's always been super teams compared to Kobe, Jordan, and Kareem's time. Stop this nonsense of "he should've competed against instead of teaming with."
This was an absolutely astonishing performance by Lebron which solidified an already extraordinary career. Even though I still firmly think MJ is the goat, to take anything else away from Lebron’s all time legacy is 100% disrespectful. Lebron has and continues to redefine longevity. Truely remarkable.
@BuzzinFromda4z does Lebron get a pass against the stacked teams he faced in the finals when it was him against 2-4 other all stars or no? Because if he does, y’all Lebron nut huggers shouldn’t count it against Jordan when it was him again Bird, parish and mchale.
I'm just glad that compelling arguments can be made for both players, because they're both phenomenal athletes/humans that did things for the game of basketball that no one else ever has. Whether you're a die hard Jordan lover or team LeBron, just recognise greatness in both
Yea unfortunately it's a fabricated debate that we have too listen too everyday, that's the issue we have, he's great but he's not comparable too Jordan in nothing, if you notice the nba players says Jordan and kobe, but the media says lebron, I'll rather listen too the people who played the game
Technishon. Well put! I tell people that the GOAT thing is opinion..They say, "oh, I have facts." Everyone has facts. Just a matter of what facts you want to use. I'm with you, appreciate greatness. They both gave us plenty to appreciate!
HOW CAN NICK KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THESE TOXIC LIES?????? WHY DOESNT ANYONE STOP HIM? A whole hall of fame career still separates Lebron from Michael Jordan. THE GAP: 2 rings, 2 finals mvp, 1 mvp, 9 scoring titles, 1 DPOY, 3 Steals titles, highest career PPG in NBA history, most points scored in a NBA playoff game in NBA history, 4 1st team all defense, etc etc) and all done in 14 seasons vs lebrons 20 and going.
@@MM-oj2pf Broussard lied when he said that Lebron started the super team. Baylor joined Wilt and West. Barcley I Hakeem n Clyde. Malone n Payton I Shaq n Kobe. Garnet n Allen j Pierce. ...what a big lie!
It's not about the record, it's about overall achievements in basketball LBJ is everywhere. He litterally checks all boxes in basketball. Him getting this one is crazy
@@randylouissaint1636 Are you in the habit of asking dumb rhetorical questions?! Context was MJ vs LBJ because that's who the GOAT debate is between! Right?! 🤔 Or are you one of those disingenuous guys that likes to mention Bill Russell's prehistoric title from the era of 6-10 teams, one round of playoffs, & mostly short white guys in the league?! Modern era of the NBA wasn't until after the merger with the ABA in 1976 when the talent was no longer diluted! You're welcome for the history lesson! ✌️
@@dienauto4087 Scottie FLIP FLOPPED throughout the years and especially since he got BUTTHURT of The Last Dance he been licking LeBron bum just like u did now 🤷🏾♂️
Of course Nick omits the fact that during that 3-18 game 1. MJ has an injured wrist 2. In that game he had 22 points 11 assists and 9 rebounds because he put his head down and went to the basket, got fouled and hit his free throws.
@@darrylneiltanyag2487 yeah because kyrie didn’t avg 30 on 50/45/96 shooting splits for the last 5 games of the series which they went 4-1. He Outplayed the unanimous mvp. Closed the deal in game 5 on the road down 3-1, dropping 12 of his 41 in the 4th while lebron only had 5. Also hitting the 2nd biggest shot in finals history & the biggest shot in Cleveland history !! Now please tell me what superstar player has had a co star avg 30 ppg for 5 games after going down 2-0 in the finals? Don’t worry I’ll wait…
Yeah but since when did losing in the finals become a bad thing? It's a good thing to win your conference final oh, it's a good thing to make it to the last series of the year!!!
It's crazy that 10 years ago everybody said there's that there's only a few records in basketball that will never be broken and that's 100 points in a game Stockton's all-time assist record and the all-time scoring record now Broussard gets on there and because LeBron broke the record it doesn't matter as much it's just the media trying to diminish LeBrons light to make Jordans look brighter
I’m 24 and I believe this record will not be broken in my lifetime and Nick is absolutely right, if Kobe or MJ broke this record everyone would be meat riding
Nobody is discrediting Bron, they just don't think he's the GOAT. PEOPLE are nuts saying they're discrediting Bron, because they think he's 2nd or 3rd best all time.
@@Jaypharoah06 We would all have the same opinion if Kobe broke it as we all do now the reality is MJ has a better average and would have the record if he played the same amount of games that's why it's a hollow record John Stockton getting more assists then Magic means absolutely nothing it's a longevity award.
Nick bringing up Jordan’s 3-for-18 playoff game against NY - a game in which MJ also was 16-for-17 from the line, and put up a stat line of 22/11/8/2/2 and the Bulls won by 20 - as the “worst” moment of Jordan’s career, pretty much makes Broussard’s point for him.
He had shot in the 30%s in the prior two losses to the Knicks, and game three back at Chicago was a must. 17% shooting isn't a good look, regardless. I think Pippen bailed the team out with 29 points.
Nice, thank you so much filling out the picture and for supplying needed context. Something cool i just realized, I noticed your Danger Productions I.D. sign and wondered is that the same guy that made the most awesome Jordan vs LeBron debate video I've ever seen a few years ago, Yep!!! ( I've watched it at least 20 - 30 times). Recommend it to everyone I come across. I've been waiting on your update...please say its in the works cause we both know there all gonna try to make a major push again that that LeBron is the goat somehow with this. Anyways, major compliments on that video you made!!!
Fair enough, but the point is if that’s the game Nick cites as the worst playoff moment of MJ’s career, then it says a lot. Also, for what it’s worth, Jordan was also a beast on defense in that game, got multiple players in foul trouble and held Starks to 8 pts and 6 TOs. Was it a bad shooting game? Of course. But he still did a LOT of other things that day to help the team win. Pippen played great as well, in that game and the series.
No problem you deserve the props times 10 as far as I'm concerned and fantastic, woooo hoooo, can't wait for it to drop! I'll be looking for it! Your probably gonna hate me but i gotta ask - over a year/ under a year for the release of it do u think, any idea? Oh, and of course thanks for replying... so kind of you. :)
It really sux that we can’t just for one segment not have a debate about who the goat is and just appreciate what LB has achieved. Congratulations LB 🎉
Even after everything I just wrote, I still had a smile on my face at the end of this clip. This was probably the best debate I’ve seen between these two.
HOW CAN NICK KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THESE TOXIC LIES?????? WHY DOESNT ANYONE STOP HIM? A whole hall of fame career still separates Lebron from Michael Jordan. THE GAP: 2 rings, 2 finals mvp, 1 mvp, 9 scoring titles, 1 DPOY, 3 Steals titles, highest career PPG in NBA history, most points scored in a NBA playoff game in NBA history, 4 1st team all defense, etc etc) and all done in 14 seasons vs lebrons 20 and going.
It doesn't matter why he MJ left twice. The point is all the pressure on greatness going deep into the playoffs take tolls on people. The GSW players talk about this all the time. Of course MJ who I really like never had a bad moment because he was allowed to leave and and recalibrate and those other greats did not get to do that. So, yes. I definitely think this shod be considered when comparing legacies just like I think playing under the social media microscope that today's players are should be considered. LBJ is not the only player who doesn't get in trouble off the court. Steph and a bunch of other players don't either and they deserve credit for that.
It doesn't matter how long you play if your not an elite player that can score points at will your not going to break that record , Kareem played 21 seasons in the NBA this is lebron James 20th season an he broke the record, kobe played 20 seasons didn't break the record, Vince Carter played 22 seasons didnt break the record, so your just being a hater, lebron broke the record in less time than Kareem got the record so what are you talking about longevity Kareem played longer in the NBA than lebron has so far.
Vince Carter, Robert Parrish, Jamal Crawford, Udonis Haslem, etc all played 20+ years. Where are their "longevity" stats? Where do they rank on the all time list? They don't! So stop with the tired longevity nonsense. He averaged 27/7/7 for an entire 20+ year career. You have to SUSTAIN greatness for 20 years to achieve a record like this. You don't get the luxury of quitting twice! Not just 6 years of off the charts success and greatness.
@@lifebybill1326 but yet Jordan still won more than lebron even when he did quit twice. I wonder how that is. Lebron is literally 40% in the finals. That’s atrocious dude.
Those stats lack context completely. Even when Jordan left, the Bulls almost made the east finals. When LeBron left, the teams are always trash. Wade and Bosh where injured or shelves of themselves in those finals runs.
@@zk430 2 years after Lebron left when Heat were healthy, they were 1 game away from East Finals too. Wade was without Bosh and Whiteside. Two years after MJ left, Bulls were 36-33 before MJ came back. Wade already was a champion without MJ and is the reason Lebron finally won. Pippin was ringless (even on stacked Rockets and Blazers teams) without Jordan and never won an MVP
@@ricardolozano5356 obscure records. It’s like saying lebron has the most 25 5 5 games by a landslide. He does. But who cares😭 regardless it’s close enough that if u have either as the goat and someone gets mad at ur opinion then they don’t know ball
Its not that complicated. The reason these records are not held in high esteem is because of media's inability to be interested in numbers about digits. Once a record begins to get into the thousands they seem to ignore it until someone gets close to breaking it.
Exactly! The records that hold weight are numbers that people know off the top of their heads. But anyone who cared about records knew Kareem was the leader. The same will go with LeBron going forward.
@@k_dinero7965 Nick Wright is the one wanting to find out why Jordan wasn’t in LA when he’s a team owner. Jordan Fans have other fish to fry . LOL 🤷🏾♂️
The fact that he's a pass 1st kinda guy, as opposed to guys who were considered ballhogs, and yet he still broke this, shows just how great a scorer he actually is.
why do you guys continues to spread this lie? lebron is not a “pass 1st kinda guy” that has never been the case. lmfao. you don’t break the all time scoring record by being a pass first player
@@leftbenchplayaa its ok man, its just word semantics. I think u may be missing whats being said by being over technical about your specific use of thr term without considering the specific context the term is being used in, but it doesn't matter. You're absolutely correct, lebron is not a pass 1st guy. Its just entertainment man, dont stress out over it
Bron is a bigger ball hog than what we consider iso players. The offense has to run through him often to the detriment of his teammates and success. He chooses his stats, and who feasts or starves. Creating offensive identity crisis when he isn't in the court. Dismissing the talent around him more often than not. Him being a passer first is a fabrication. He is a stat padded first. As evidenced with his shirt saying check my stats too protect him in another finals loss
Fact!... I've watched almost every game Lebron has played over 20 yrs in the NBA. This is the only game I have seen him come out with a score first mentality.
I like how Nick holds it against Jordan for playing well and succeeding with a guy that was drafted by his team.😭 You can use another boxing analogy to describe that “iron sharpens iron” same for Phil, buddy was coaching down in Boca Raton some where before he coached Jordan.
I don't think it's "holding it against him" per se, just more so combatting this false narrative that Lebron had all this overwhelming help while Jordan did everything by himself...
Who was way more fun to watch? Who had people around the world glued to a TV, because any night that man might make one of the most amazingly athletic plays we have ever seen? The 🐐 #23.
Agree. Not to disrespect any of our greats, but there is nothing that compares to what it felt like when Jordan was dominating not only the NBA, but the sporting world, the headlines, and media outlets around the world. There's nothing I have seen like that before or since. That actually felt more like someone bending the universe, imo. Add the unreal list of accomplishments and it would be hard to believe without seeing it, live or on video. What could 'bend the universe' more than 6 Championships in 8 years, TWO 3peats, 6-0 in the finals, never taken to a game 7, six finals MVPs, 5 regular season MVPs, 14-time all-star in 15 seasons, 3 all-star game MVPs (could easily have been more if he had chosen to be selfish), 9 all-defensive teams while ALSO leading the league in scoring, led the league in steals 3 times, had 200 steals and 100 blocks TWICE as a 6'6 GUARD, had 10 scoring titles-- one of those at 35 yrs old, led his team to an insane nearly decade long stretch when they never lost more than 3 games in a row-- and as Chris B pointed out, all without ever having 2 all-star teammates and with only 9 top 5 picks. Unbelievable. Not to mention, all this while skyrocketing Nike's sales and popularity and NBA TV ratings, and having people try to emulate your style to the point of shaving their heads bald even. That's crazy. Don't know how the universe could bend any further than that. Nick is on point a lot of times but I personally have to disagree on this one. I'm genuinely happy that Lebron broke this record, not trying to throw shade at him in any way. Definitely one of the greatest to ever do it. But honestly have to factor in longevity when talking total stats like all-time points, assists, rebounds, etc. These are great records and stats do count in some ways. But I don't understand how Kareem has held this record all this time and has 2 more Championships than Lebron, but the vast majority of people think Jordan has been the goat all this time. How does now someone breaking the record with 2 less rings than Kareem now leapfrog over Jordan? Personally I'd take accomplishments-- like Jordan's insane list-- over having all-time stat records. Even though on a deeper level Jordan has dominated a lot of stat categories as well. He's the most dominant team-sport athlete I've ever seen. Unlike football, individual players have to play both offense AND defense in the NBA. And MJ dominated on both ends. Just my honest opinion.
Just wanna add: I'm in no way disrespecting our NFL greats. It's an awesome and great league with super talented, all-world athletes as well. Love it wholeheartedly. Obviously, the NFL game is way too physical for players to spend a significant amount of time playing both offense and defense if they want a prolonged career. Just saying it's a factor that NBA players are largely judged on both, (not that they all excel at both), and when someone dominated at both as MJ did you have to take that into account in terms of overall greatness by sport. That in no way takes from the greatness of the amazing NFL athletes. Just wanted to make that clear.
i don't find it surprising for a player to accumulate more points to his record, for playing more games... what's great about that? average points per game (total points scored/total games played) would be more significant to a player's greatness IMO.
@@jon401 Isaiah larry and magic are the only legit ones on there. Hakeem got his when he jordan wasn't there i think and anything after 98 seems like a stretch.
Nick's got a point...before there even was a Jordan vs Lebron debate... when we talked about Kareem's GOAT-level status..it was always the scoring record
Lebron is phenomenal, I’m not a Jordan fan who uses the finals record losses as an argument because it’s stupid. Lebron and MJ both dominated their eras and put up amazing stats and accomplishments. It’s pointless comparing those between both players because they played in different eras. I give MJ the goat status because the eye test, we’ve never seen a more aesthetic and graceful player than MJ. He inspired and bamboozled fans every night, no player played harder every night. The blend of skill athleticism and finesse has never been replicated since. No player has more iconic plays, and there’s never been a more recognizable face in the history of the league.
idk about iconic plays..bron has more buzzer beaters + the chase downs. I wouldn't even say either of them are the most fun or exciting to watch. I'd give that to steph. Alot of your points are subjective about you just liking his playstyle which is fine, but you can argue a lot of players by their combination of skill/aesthetic/athleticism & awe inspiring moments like kyrie, KD, steph. Problem with the eye test is you can compare it to girls for example. I might like latinas, you might like asians. They can both be hot, nice girls, and have good jobs but we just prefer different people because of how they look even if one isn't any better than the other.
While I agree holding LeBron's Finals losses against him isn't a great argument because his 7th, 8th, 9th and tenth best seasons ended in the Finals while Jordan's 7-10 didn't get that far, you can't discount Jordan's post season success either in the GOAT argument. Once he punched through, no one could stop him. He 3-peated, retired for a year and half, came back, lost one playoff series, then 3-peated again. Do the math. In an 8 year span, he won 25 of 26 playoff series. 25-1 and 6 titles in 8 years is the greatest dynasty in the last 50 years of any American sport. I just don't see anything on LeBron's resume that compares to that.
@@ayyyman3 Lebron's wow factor in his game is underwhelming compared to Jordan's, its pure brute force driving to the rim and tomahawk slams. His game lacks finesse and grace. He has developed a nice outside game but he looks like he has ankle weights when he shoots jumpshots. He hardly ever does circus type shots.
I did notice when the GOAT was at the Staple center for Kobe Memorial that LBJ was missing. And he was a Lakers player at that point. Imagine that. It is said Kobe kind of was more friendly with LBJ before he had passed. LBJ had been there two years at that point.
Nick is completely wrong. Lebron didn't do everything he said. He already forgot lebron said not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6. Where's all the chips in Miami?
@@Bruno2777 the argument with Jordan is always there but everyone who says Kobe is better is out of their mind. He has absolutely nothing on LeBron except one more Finals trophy and even that might not last long!
by only measuring peak performance, we are ignoring all of the hard work off the court that allows someone to be great for so long, which is a major part of what makes someone great.
@@mikepanton Funny how they never mention when Lebron "allegedly" got caught using PEDS in Florida when He played for the heat. Maybe that has something to do with his longevity. He got caught that time with other athletes like Alex Rodriguez, Evander Holyfield, Jameer Nelson. Funny how a lot of those articles have been scrubbed from the internet.
Ppl on purposely not mentioning the competitors of MJ. In that era, even Dennis Johnson, Danny Ainge, Mark Price were all-stars. Comparing to LeBron, averagely Jordan played against players who had less athleticism, less size, less strength, in his era only a few can shoot 3s, big man couldn’t run the floor, no one doing handles like shammgod, no eurosteps, no zone defense. They played hustle , but were 20～40-lbs lighter than today. When Jordan left bulls they went from 57 wins to 55 and Bulls almost entered 3rd round. And Kobe said hand check is nothing big comparing to zone defense. LeBron played in a way better era. LeBron >Jordan
@@alejandroabreha4516 All of Nick's arguments are rooted in career longevity whereas Brousarrd arguments are performance based. Do you know how hard it is to 3peat? Jordan did it twice with the same team and despite Labron team jumping he failed to do it even once. Labron joined top competition to avoid competing against it. Jordan more titles in fewer seasons. Played in a tougher era. 100 percent in finals. The intangibles, the way he played the game, took everything personal and addressed challenges to his supremacy on the court. Lebron isn't close to MJ as a basketball player.
@@orionsimerl6539 "Lebron isn't close to MJ as a basketball player." *You're right LeBron is way better than Jordan.* All-time scorer, the only player to be top 100 in 5 categories: points, rebounds, assists, steals, *AND* blocks. LeBron is more durable than Jordan ever dreamed. Jordan did not play in the toughest era, he is 0-6 against Larry Bird in the playoffs and lost several series to the Pistons. Jordan didn't win until Scottie came: just facts. Nobody does it alone, but without Scottie and Big Phil Jackson, there would be no mythology of Jordan. Jordan is greatness, but much of his mystique is marketing and subjectivity. Like Nick said, Jordan holds very few records, and because of this it always comes down to your opinion.
@@reverendblue7338 LOL.. 1 is longevity not peak performance which doesn't translate to more durable. Jordan with the Bulls played 82 games 9x out of 11 seasons, most in league history. Labron played 82 games 1x in 20 seasons. Nobody comes into the league winning chips. Once Jordan had a team he never essentially never lost. 2 3 peats and out.
@@whocareswhatelithinksthis wasn’t about who the goat and best winner is. The scoring record was the most important record in sports history that every sports fan knew. Lebron broke it and now it’s not that important?? Stop it
Jordan made Phil Jackson, Scottie, Tim Grover etc hall of famers/legendary. Even Jordan’s security team was legendary. Everybody who was affiliated with Jordan became a legend
@@thomasgroh3276because MJ was face of the Nba and Phil was a nobody before Krause brought hin to the Bulls? Watch the Last Dance so you don’t sound stupid
@krump 7 they were one bad call away from the conference finals. Then Phil went and won rings with Shaq and Kobe. Without Phil what did Jordan accomplish?
Can I just say? I love this debate. I've been going at it with family, friends and others for so long. It's cool to see that it's still going and even becoming more and more a debate as it went on. Just love it. The passion from both sides!
Since when did losing in the finals become a bad thing? It's a good thing to win your conference final oh, it's a good thing to make it to the last series of the year!!!
@Casey Ray Harris. Esquire absolutely. Getting Silver is better than not getting a medal at all. Which is why I'll never get why it's a knock for LBJ in the finals. Especially with the necessary context about the teams he faced in the finals. All time teams. Especially compared to who the Bulls faced.
@@caseyrayharris.esquire489because if you had the talent to get there and then fail at the most important part is not what greates do. If anything, lebron gets a pass for most of his failures in the finals and still gets ranked pretty high all time. He had the famous melt down vs the mavs, faced an old spurs team, definitely two championships he should have won, the only ones he had excuses for was the two vs GS with Durant. Other than those, every finals he’s lost was winnable. And that’s embarrassing. He got to the finals so many times because the leastern conference was so bad. He ran around the league creating super teams and still you fail that much? I mean it’s just a bad look.
OMG Why can't someone be congratulated for their achievement without being compared to others. Celebrate the person and give them their flowers while they are here.
You gotta take the good with the bad... LeBron's contributions/impact include players "load managing" and skipping every 3rd or 4th game... or just acting like Kyrie.
He can't bend it any more, and get calls from the refs these last few years.I think he fell out of favor with the NBA , in his words, there is a conspiracy to keep the Lakers down. But they added the play in game as a last rope to get him into the playoffs? I don't understand. They even give you a last chance to get into the playoffs.
Ironic statement. Nick wright "Lebron was better at 20 and 38 therefore he's the goat", and then proceeded to use Jay-Z as his argument. Lmao what a trash argument. Nick Wright's career is styled off debating like a twitter debater. Chris is actually a reputable reporter who's been in the industry forever. Nick is a clever stat nerd who doesn't love and watch games, he uses basketball reference to support his crazy basketball narratives.
I'd love to know where Kareem and MJ would be if they went pro straight from high school. Also if MJ didn't take a 2 year break and Bulls owner wasn't an idiot running everyone off his team.
@@stevengordon3271So if bron did it in 1k less shots and a hundred and something less games than kareem, what do u think bron gonna do to the record in 4 years? U and ole boy slow 😂
@@emericas9 Kareem made 1 3pt shot. Bron made over 2000 so he got extra points from that. Reason Kareem and Lebron are at 1 and 2 is they both played longer than most. Bron has a 27 point career average, MJ had 30. If he played the same amount of time he'd be thousands of points ahead.
If Chris B. was saying that LBJ had more star players etc..... why then was his team the underdogs in the 2012 finals & the HEAVY underdogs in 2016 finals? And even in the bubble, his team wasn't the favored team to win it all because LAC were the clear favorites to win it all. I don't recall who was the favored team to win it the 2013 finals, but as we all saw it, the 2 teams were evenly matched & went the full 7. That game was only decided like in the last 20 secs or less of the game. That's the only finals that the Spurs have lost in a c'ship series. I would have thought that coming into the 2013 finals that the SAS had the advantage because they swept the Grizz in 4 while the Heat had to go through the full 7 to be the Pacers.
He wasn’t downplaying it. He spoke facts. This record is very similar to the rushing record. He congratulated it. Nick tried to make it seem like it makes him the greatest scorer ever and it doesn’t.
@@dominiquewilson And just like Emmitt passing chicago legend Walter Payton, Lebron basically is playing simply to own this record. Both Emmitt and James were well past their primes when they got to it and a shadow of themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if James plays until he is 40 to put distance on the record but he's still play purely because he wanted this record and nothing else.
The truth is that it was never a thing until it was evident that Lebron could never reach Jordan's status as the GOAT so it is just used for that debate and is blown out of proportion. Good for him for scoring all those points, but let's be honest it all has to do with playing for 20+ years. Game to game dominance is what greatness is. Records are just records. Jordan scored more points per season than Lebron. So this is just a record of longevity. Period.
@@casual35 He's 20 plus years because he's tougher and a better athlete than Jordan ever was or will be. The all-time scoring doesn't matter because it's LeBron and Jordan. Jordan has better marketing: shoes, commercials etc. But Jordan isn't better than LeBron.
Congratulations to LeBron but… y’all lost. I mean come on. LeBron has had: Wade, Bosh, Shaq, Ben Wallace, Kyrie, Kevin Love, AD, Alonzo Mourning and a host of other good players and has four rings. Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, maybe Horace Grant and won more.
A lot of people dont understand how much Scottie was a big piece of Jordan's success. Jordan was 3 of 22 shots in the finals but they won because Scottie carried the Bulls that night. But no one brings that game up aside from Nick because he's not blinded bu the narrative.
@@youtuber_00786 nick would be the kinda dad to give his kids participation awards and a pat on the back and say "look son, you lost and u didnt play well, but u got there and thats all that counts"
I never understood the whole idea of winning rings being the measuring stick with MJ, teams and coaching are half of it and in this context you know both of these two can will a whole team of they have to. That mf MJ averaged 30 has the ppg record, and played 15 years on top of being one of the best wing defenders ever. Bron averaged 27 7 and 7 while playing 20 years, and has the all time scoring record. Eras aside, rings aside, these two are clearly the best to ever do it and in reality they are probably neck in neck.
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I love Chris but Nick is just making his arguments look silly ! LBJ = GOAT. Chris trying to make it interesting he knows the true ! Keep preaching, nick !
NICK GETS SMOKED AGAIN LMAOOOOOOOO
imagine thinking totals is greater than averages
In that case the rebound champ
scoring champ
assist champ
steals champ
and blocks champ each season should go the totals and not the per game lmaooooooooo
bron sycophants are so weird weak and wack
Still love the guy though. Bron was the true genius child who exceeded expectations and is a good dude, period.
So where is Chris from? I googled him and didn’t see Ohio
Nick - “The body of work is so much better…”
MJ - 6chip, 6FMVP, 5MVP, x10scoring, x3 steals, DPOY, x10 All- NBA first, x9 defensive 1st in less than 15 seasons
LBJ - 4chips, 4FMVP, 4MVP, x1 scoring, x1 assist, x5 defensive 1st x13 all-NBA 1st in OVER 20 seasons???
C’mon, the body of work from MJ far surpasses that of LBJ.
Nick's entire bron premise begins with knowing any objective criteria has Jordan as no. 1 so he made a career creating nonsense arguments.
No one says Kareem was the greatest scorer of all time; he wasn't. It's always been Jordan vs Wilt. We go by averages and between Jordan and wilt Jordan had the highest scoring averages on the highest efficiency ( per ).
Where nick turned into skip Bayless was when he started deciding he would use half truths and outright lies to create an argument where there was none.
The extent it's gotten at this point is pretty pathetic; he picks arguments he can't win and thinks whining and arrogance will help.
Not only was LeBron the most hyped athlete ever coming out of high school he also had to prove himself in front of the world with the social media era. Bron didn’t have the luxury of hiding mistakes. If he did it we saw it. So to achieve what he has achieved is absolutely remarkable.
Exactly the media will let you think mj had a perfect career. He played more than 6 seasons right? The pistons owned him in the 2nd round till they was old and beat up right? They say Jordan will be the best forever that's biased what if someone not even Bron come in and lead they team to 7 chips or more then what.they gone go off a stats like Bron. Oh wait bill Russell got 11 he's the undisputed goat then. This argument is so biased 🤦🏾♀️
He also had a $100000000 shoe deal from Nike before stepping on an NBA court. That sir in reality is the ultimate pressure relief.
Absolutely!! That's what I've been saying. Guy over delivered!!
Not really. He skipped college and had extra years that the greats of the past didn't have. Also, he played against soft defense where fouls are called if someone breathes on you too hard. He would have failed against the defenses of the past when flopping wasn't accepted as much.
@@l_2126 King Flopper will NEVER be the GOAT. FACTS.
I hate that we can’t celebrate greatness from a player without tearing another great player down.
They have to so they can keep their ridiculous jobs that they are paid way too much money for. I mean all they do is talk about games that other athletes play...games people, games.
I completely agree. Why do people have to step on somebody else so they can shine?
Those jordan dudes yah know….
because ratings
LeFraud
I'm a Jordan fan boy and it kills me how much time we waste comparing him and LeBron James. They're both great. We got to enjoy Jordan in the 90s and we got LeBron for the last 20 years. We're just lucky to get to witness these players but people get too caught up in the comparison.
Hard agree
Bron Mid.
Comparison is the thief of joy
Facts man facts !!!
The real shame is the need to belittle one player to make your case for the other
Wildes: "It's hard to get stuff done."
Wisest thing he ever said! 😂
Wildes is an idiot 😂😂😂🤣I really thought he was going to say something wise and intelligent🤦♂️😂
😂😭
if jordan had this record oh my goodness we would never hear the end of it
I swear to god 😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️
If Lebron had 6 rings oh my goodness, we would never hear the end of it.
@@johnhancock1362 😂😂facts
@@johnhancock1362 if Curry played defense, we would never heard the end of it.
You act like we never gonna hear the end of it now
The fact that he'll very likely finish beyond 40k 10k 10k is more absurd to me. Its the combination that's insane
Exactly!!! 👊👊✊✊👏👏
44-45K
Absolutely, no one has dominated so many aspects of the game like LBJ. Its why you could place him in any team and immediately become serious championship contenders. I mean I still remember to this day those playoffs finals during his peak when he would lead BOTH teams in ALL the major STATS, win or lose jus herculean!
But because the game at the end of the day is best described as putting the ball in the basket, so MJ will remain the GOAT since he was most efficient at that and did it in volumes.
The NBA has made it easier .
@@nashyhabibu4881 I feel Lebron would have benefitted either going all in as a PG or all in as a scoring wing. He isn’t the “best” at anything. If he put up 24-25 a game and elevated those assists to 10-11 a game or just went all out on scoring putting up 30 a game and lowered his assists, it would help him as wild as that seems.
No matter what you think of Bron,
rare is the child prodigy who exceeds every expectation.
The Genius Child realized.
@ShemShakur Well, it's not like he's Jordan, but that was unrealistic. Michael was 1/1.
Bron is a different kind of 1/1.
If he didn't push the MJ comparisons from the jump most would just enjoy his greatness.
@@IknowMoreThanYou he didn’t push them. The media did.
@@ShemShakur he was talking about straight finals appearances 😂
He is greater than Jesus
Dude am in high school i wish it was legal for me to get drafted so I get the record but I got to wait 2 more years
At 17:25 Seeing Chris’s facial reactions trying to keep a straight face when hearing Lebron played most his games with Ilgauskas, Varejao, and Mike Brown was great lol
Chris a idiot because he did 😂 lebron the goat.
Mike brown won coach of the year.....big z was an allstar...varejo was an allstar lol Stop and think b4 you type
@@CoachVFitness do you even watch the sport? varejo, and ilgauskas good really? They were mediocre. Mike brown a good coach he drew up great plays despite the lack of talent. lebron ran pick and roll action the whole game.
@@Eric-cb9tz I knew they were all-stars but dont watch NBA lol...fact are facts...At one point those two were amongst the 24 best players in the league...and neither got voted by the fans
@@CoachVFitnessvarejo was never an all star clown and big Z was an all star once truth is LeBron didn't have close to another star player on those early Cavs teams and if you think he did ur delusional
Wildes just gave one of the greatest descriptions of LeBron as a human, basketball player, dad, role model and as the Man in the Arena ive ever heard. Someone out there please transcribe it so i dont have to. Hopefully someone sends it to LeBron so it can be immortalized along with this great accomplishment. it was probably off the cuff with not a lot of thought to it, but its worthy of his hall of fame induction speech. WELL DONE WILDES!!
The only problem I really had with James is he is all for social justice, except in China because that would hurt his pocketbook. Now for that part a lot of people would go that route and if he would have just remained quiet and kept his pockets, but he shouldn't have chimed in about Daryl Morey. Now for 20 years in the league and that is all i got (well maybe the self promotion stuff but that is the way it is today) that is an amazingly short list. Big MJ fan but if social media was around in his day, well lets just say he would have had to adapt his life a whole bunch, because I can only imagine what might have came out.
This is when you know niqqa doesn't care about winning lmfao. Down by only a few points but aight, I broke the record already I'm done for the night and the season 🤣. 13th seed. 2 game losing streak. Below .500. Bronsexuals funny asf. Luckily most are still sane since they still have MJ, Magic, Bird, or Kareem ahead of Lefraud. 😂😂
He forgot to mention that LeBron spread a race hoax
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby dude shutup
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby He didn't call himself Jesus.
@18:43 Nicks frustration and Broussards laugh @18:53 at the end 🤣🤣🤣
Gold 😂🤌🏾
Both are fun analysts, but their opposing positions in this debate are a clear example of why Broussard is, and has been for a long time, the best basketball analyst of entertainment news.
@@dunningkruger5823 😂😂😂
Lol on a real note this is probably the best most thought out lebron Jordan debate I’ve heard
@@thejuniors5345 Yeah buddy, you love a bit of Brou, don't you! Quick side note, Nick Wright started using the nickname "Brou" on his show the EXACT SAME DAY as he... (you try to work out the rest)
There's a chemistry to these three, and I think without one of them the magic is gone. Wildes is not just quiet for long periods, he has his facial expressions, and then with great wit and brevity, the punch lines. I love this show.
They missing Wolfe tho
It could survive wildes leaving. He's super cringe at times.
I 100% totally agree with Nick. If MJ had the record for the most points ever, this feat would be more historic that it current is.
Well yeah cause jordan had 6 championships and like 10 scoring titles so it would elevate him higher then what he already was
True bec Mike is FOREVER the UNDEFEATED and UNDISPUTED GOAT ever 🤷🏽♂️
@@Mercurial.He's not undefeated. He played 13 season and only won 6 titles
@@RL-ww5ev
He played 11 HEALTHY SEASONS and won 6 💍 that were over 50% and being 6/6 in the Finals is UNDEFEATED and UNDISPUTED wether it hurt ur feelings or not.
♟️
the real reason that the NBA scoring record hasn't been pedastalized like other sports records is simply the fact that its seemed unobtainable so we put it out of our minds
Wilts 100 points per game is viewed as unobtainable, and is one of the most valued records
@@AmirKhan-rh6jj
Wrong
Like Stockton's assist record lol just didn't seem possible
Stockton's assists leader is way harder to pass
Already forgot Lebron broke that record
The reason why that record seemed less than the other records is because nobody thought it would ever be broken! It was so far out of peoples mind. It will mean more now that he has broken it.
@@ShemShakur So Kobe could had that as well. Smh
@ShemShakur no
@@ShemShakur but i assure you Lebron is a better player at 38 than KJB.
@@ShemShakurfirst of all 50,000 would mean he averages 48 pts those three years that he was in college. Not happening. Lebron still has 5 good years in him. He could very well get to 50,000 if he keeps averaging 30 like he is now.
What about the points Kareem scored in 3 years thru college while lebron went straight to the pros
Wildes had the best take on this historic accomplishment. Just wow.
Watching two passionate fans debate the goat will never get old 😌
I don't know why but I've really always loved Wildes' takes. Feel like someone who has greater depth than even displayed on the show. "It's hard to get stuff done" that's just a true and on point observation.
He's great as the Consciences Observer when Nick and Brou going at it. Just sitting, listening waiting for the perfect time to comment. Hahaha
He goes outside of the game on occasion. It's necessary sometime
Age 38 scores 38 on the 38th day of the year this is crazy 👑💪🏽
But still number 2
To break a record that lasted 38 years 😮
Thats an astute “hood report” 😂
He end Kobe for all of this
@@Zaferino1 *39 years
Jordan being on that list is crazy!.. Considering he retired twice, and only played like 13 seasons.
That's why PPG > overall Points
Per game wins, titles/champs, for assists, scoring, etc., every season. That’s what the nba has done forever. That’s why totals matter less.
He took the most shots in the league every year he won the scoring title. The guy who shot the most, scored the most. That's not as impressive to me.
Don't come at me with, LeBron could do the same cause I'll come at you with, Jordan could've played more.
Scottie Pippen said MJ only played 13 years, if so that's amazing considering he finished with 32,292 points...
@@John-yt8cl
Lebron currently leads the league in taken shots - only 7th in points...
Lead the league last year in attempts, no scoring title.
So, if a guy shooting the most - scoring the most isnt impressive to you, how about a guy shooting the most and not scoring the most?
“He quit the sport twice”
Got me 😂😂
Which has it's pros and cons. Same thing with LeBron playing 20 yrs so far. It has it's pros and cons on both side of the coin.
And still won championships and raised nba ratings when no one could even watch the nba in 1999-2000.. Jordan literally grew and saved the nba from demise
I am constantly amazed that nobody punches Nick in the face when he says that. Describing retiring as quitting is bad enough, but when talking about the first retirement, ya know the one that came very shortly after his father being murdered, is quite possibly the most despicable thing anyone says in these debates. Like I get it, Nick has to try to perform his mental gymnastics, but the fact he is willing to sink that low makes him pretty much the worst human being currently working on these sports talk shows.
@@nj3041 THATS A LIE!!!
Yeah took 2 years off and came back and dominated……As per usual
What an incredible moment!! Year 20 and he has broken the record and is now the NBA All-Time Scoring Leader!! Congrats Lebron!! 👑👑
Making this moment into MJ vs LeBron takes away from one of the greatest moments of LeBron’s career.
That being said, I’ll always love watching these two have it out.
@@smalways2651 actually nothing takes away from it actually he’s set if he never dribbles another ball for all of days
It was Nick Wrong who brought it up as he always does trying BRAINWASH these new age modern kids on social media 🤷🏾♂️
That’s lebron Stans for ya. They want forced validation.
Nah, Bron calling himself the goat again does
He's not Jordan. Nice job though bron. Jordan would have destroyed that record if he cared about it. Yes, I bring up Jordan every day!! I mean, it's Jordan. He's every top athlete's favorite athlete!!! #23
Nick is the King of "What Ifs" when he gets frustrated.
The only thing Jordan accomplished before Pippen got there was a Rookie of the year award and 1 Playoff win in 3 series. LeBron won a Scoring Title, 2 MVP's, Rookie of the Year, 4 1st Team ALL NBA, 2 1st Team All DT, 2 All Star Game MVP's and a trip to the Finals without a player of Pippens' caliber.
@@cashmerej9665 What a pathetic argument lol.
@@QuestionEverything562 is what he said not true?
@@RL-ww5ev Jordan only played 2 full seasons without Pippen. Is that a fair argument to hold against him? LeBron could not make the playoffs until he got Larry Hughes... this is a true statement, but is it fair?
14:20 “but thats what we pretend” well said nick
This is the best take on this monumental event… kudos to these guys!
Amazing people amazing take. GiVE Culture
Bron def was the most hyped player ever and he has actually lived up to the hype. That alone is impressive. Cus most hyped players never live up to it.
Pssh 6 losses isn't exceeding anything wtf. Boy you fools are as delusional as they come 😂
@Dillon Kirk great comparison…accumulated a bunch of stats and didn’t win as much as he should have like manning.
The only issue i have against that is, I don't feel like he lived up to it. For me him teaming up with and not competing against his competition means he didn't live up to the hype, more like he shortcut-ted his way to it.
@@strmshadow8411 He's in a league where there's always been super teams compared to Kobe, Jordan, and Kareem's time. Stop this nonsense of "he should've competed against instead of teaming with."
@@Nimodog19 He’s really faced 2 superteams, stop it. 2017 and 2018 warriors. Every other team was a beatable team.
This was an absolutely astonishing performance by Lebron which solidified an already extraordinary career. Even though I still firmly think MJ is the goat, to take anything else away from Lebron’s all time legacy is 100% disrespectful. Lebron has and continues to redefine longevity. Truely remarkable.
@BuzzinFromda4z LEBRON = GOAT
@BuzzinFromda4z so you thought he was the goat as soon as he entered the league? Whatever you say.
@BuzzinFromda4z does Lebron get a pass against the stacked teams he faced in the finals when it was him against 2-4 other all stars or no? Because if he does, y’all Lebron nut huggers shouldn’t count it against Jordan when it was him again Bird, parish and mchale.
@BuzzinFromda4z oh brother, are you 12.
Mj is still 🐐
I'm just glad that compelling arguments can be made for both players, because they're both phenomenal athletes/humans that did things for the game of basketball that no one else ever has. Whether you're a die hard Jordan lover or team LeBron, just recognise greatness in both
Yea unfortunately it's a fabricated debate that we have too listen too everyday, that's the issue we have, he's great but he's not comparable too Jordan in nothing, if you notice the nba players says Jordan and kobe, but the media says lebron, I'll rather listen too the people who played the game
Technishon. Well put! I tell people that the GOAT thing is opinion..They say, "oh, I have facts." Everyone has facts. Just a matter of what facts you want to use.
I'm with you, appreciate greatness. They both gave us plenty to appreciate!
HOW CAN NICK KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THESE TOXIC LIES?????? WHY DOESNT ANYONE STOP HIM? A whole hall of fame career still separates Lebron from Michael Jordan. THE GAP: 2 rings, 2 finals mvp, 1 mvp, 9 scoring titles, 1 DPOY, 3 Steals titles, highest career PPG in NBA history, most points scored in a NBA playoff game in NBA history, 4 1st team all defense, etc etc) and all done in 14 seasons vs lebrons 20 and going.
@@MM-oj2pf what did nick lie about??
@@MM-oj2pf Broussard lied when he said that Lebron started the super team. Baylor joined Wilt and West.
Barcley I Hakeem n Clyde. Malone n Payton I Shaq n Kobe. Garnet n Allen j Pierce.
...what a big lie!
That Jordan-Lebron debate at the end was pure content
It's not about the record, it's about overall achievements in basketball LBJ is everywhere. He litterally checks all boxes in basketball. Him getting this one is crazy
You literally contradicted yourself, the most achievements, championships, awards, accolades that's MJ not LBJ! Google him! 🤦♂️🤷♂️
@@ATS21198421 Scottie Pippen knows MJ more than you and myself, the most complete player ever is LBJ, NO Debate on that
@@ATS21198421Jordan had the most championships? Most MVPs? Most anything?
@@randylouissaint1636 Are you in the habit of asking dumb rhetorical questions?! Context was MJ vs LBJ because that's who the GOAT debate is between! Right?! 🤔 Or are you one of those disingenuous guys that likes to mention Bill Russell's prehistoric title from the era of 6-10 teams, one round of playoffs, & mostly short white guys in the league?! Modern era of the NBA wasn't until after the merger with the ABA in 1976 when the talent was no longer diluted! You're welcome for the history lesson! ✌️
@@dienauto4087
Scottie FLIP FLOPPED throughout the years and especially since he got BUTTHURT of The Last Dance he been licking LeBron bum just like u did now 🤷🏾♂️
Of course Nick omits the fact that during that 3-18 game 1. MJ has an injured wrist 2. In that game he had 22 points 11 assists and 9 rebounds because he put his head down and went to the basket, got fouled and hit his free throws.
Nick habitually leaves out facts to fit his narrative. Clever but no integrity
Nothing could even compared to dropping 8 points at your peak in a finals game while being the staggering favorites lol
@@MR.__G And nothing could even compare to defeating the 73-9 Warriors as the lone All-Star on his team that season.
@@darrylneiltanyag2487 yeah because kyrie didn’t avg 30 on 50/45/96 shooting splits for the last 5 games of the series which they went 4-1. He Outplayed the unanimous mvp. Closed the deal in game 5 on the road down 3-1, dropping 12 of his 41 in the 4th while lebron only had 5. Also hitting the 2nd biggest shot in finals history & the biggest shot in Cleveland history !! Now please tell me what superstar player has had a co star avg 30 ppg for 5 games after going down 2-0 in the finals? Don’t worry I’ll wait…
Yeah but since when did losing in the finals become a bad thing? It's a good thing to win your conference final oh, it's a good thing to make it to the last series of the year!!!
It's crazy that 10 years ago everybody said there's that there's only a few records in basketball that will never be broken and that's 100 points in a game Stockton's all-time assist record and the all-time scoring record now Broussard gets on there and because LeBron broke the record it doesn't matter as much it's just the media trying to diminish LeBrons light to make Jordans look brighter
I’m 24 and I believe this record will not be broken in my lifetime and Nick is absolutely right, if Kobe or MJ broke this record everyone would be meat riding
Nah it's just you meat riding right now 🤣
Everyone is meat riding rn I don’t understand what more LeBron fans want
@@shouryasangam7956 not Lebron fan the point I’m making is NOBODY would be trying to discredit this if it was Mike or Kobe
Nobody is discrediting Bron, they just don't think he's the GOAT. PEOPLE are nuts saying they're discrediting Bron, because they think he's 2nd or 3rd best all time.
@@Jaypharoah06 We would all have the same opinion if Kobe broke it as we all do now the reality is MJ has a better average and would have the record if he played the same amount of games that's why it's a hollow record John Stockton getting more assists then Magic means absolutely nothing it's a longevity award.
Nick Wright is a treasure!!
Yeah a treasure troll
You need a father figure
😂😂😂😂
Yeah biggest casual treasure ever
of being delusional
Nick bringing up Jordan’s 3-for-18 playoff game against NY - a game in which MJ also was 16-for-17 from the line, and put up a stat line of 22/11/8/2/2 and the Bulls won by 20 - as the “worst” moment of Jordan’s career, pretty much makes Broussard’s point for him.
He had shot in the 30%s in the prior two losses to the Knicks, and game three back at Chicago was a must. 17% shooting isn't a good look, regardless.
I think Pippen bailed the team out with 29 points.
Nice, thank you so much filling out the picture and for supplying needed context. Something cool i just realized, I noticed your Danger Productions I.D. sign and wondered is that the same guy that made the most awesome Jordan vs LeBron debate video I've ever seen a few years ago, Yep!!! ( I've watched it at least 20 - 30 times). Recommend it to everyone I come across. I've been waiting on your update...please say its in the works cause we both know there all gonna try to make a major push again that that LeBron is the goat somehow with this. Anyways, major compliments on that video you made!!!
Fair enough, but the point is if that’s the game Nick cites as the worst playoff moment of MJ’s career, then it says a lot. Also, for what it’s worth, Jordan was also a beast on defense in that game, got multiple players in foul trouble and held Starks to 8 pts and 6 TOs. Was it a bad shooting game? Of course. But he still did a LOT of other things that day to help the team win. Pippen played great as well, in that game and the series.
Thanks. Appreciate the kind words. Yes, there’s something in the works.
No problem you deserve the props times 10 as far as I'm concerned and fantastic, woooo hoooo, can't wait for it to drop! I'll be looking for it! Your probably gonna hate me but i gotta ask - over a year/ under a year for the release of it do u think, any idea? Oh, and of course thanks for replying... so kind of you. :)
It really sux that we can’t just for one segment not have a debate about who the goat is and just appreciate what LB has achieved. Congratulations LB 🎉
Facts
Congratulations to a really gifted athlete 👏
Nick Wright's spirit is CRUSHED. He has no valid arguments and always tryna interrupt when the truth comes out. I LOVE IT!!! Lmao
The only crew that is worth listening to for this historic moment and analysis.
Even after everything I just wrote, I still had a smile on my face at the end of this clip. This was probably the best debate I’ve seen between these two.
HOW CAN NICK KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THESE TOXIC LIES?????? WHY DOESNT ANYONE STOP HIM? A whole hall of fame career still separates Lebron from Michael Jordan. THE GAP: 2 rings, 2 finals mvp, 1 mvp, 9 scoring titles, 1 DPOY, 3 Steals titles, highest career PPG in NBA history, most points scored in a NBA playoff game in NBA history, 4 1st team all defense, etc etc) and all done in 14 seasons vs lebrons 20 and going.
@@MM-oj2pf What lies did Nick say?
@@MM-oj2pfyou are what they call a spiteful mj fan. Anything dealing with LeBron you get furious about.
"HE QUIT THE SPORT TWICE!!!!" is why this show is the best 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Does anyone know why he quit? 🤷🏻♂️
It doesn't matter why he MJ left twice. The point is all the pressure on greatness going deep into the playoffs take tolls on people. The GSW players talk about this all the time. Of course MJ who I really like never had a bad moment because he was allowed to leave and and recalibrate and those other greats did not get to do that. So, yes. I definitely think this shod be considered when comparing legacies just like I think playing under the social media microscope that today's players are should be considered.
LBJ is not the only player who doesn't get in trouble off the court. Steph and a bunch of other players don't either and they deserve credit for that.
@@tayinap4269 His bad moment is when he lost to Nick Anderson and the Orlando magic in the semifinals
@@tayinap4269 When you win 3 straight you can do whatever you want.
@@tayinap4269 He quit after he got his teams a 3 peat. How is that an indictment on MJ lol he did everything for his teammates
All Nick stated was LONGEVITY STATS THAT YOU GET FOR PLAYING LONGER 🤣🤣🤣
It doesn't matter how long you play if your not an elite player that can score points at will your not going to break that record , Kareem played 21 seasons in the NBA this is lebron James 20th season an he broke the record, kobe played 20 seasons didn't break the record, Vince Carter played 22 seasons didnt break the record, so your just being a hater, lebron broke the record in less time than Kareem got the record so what are you talking about longevity Kareem played longer in the NBA than lebron has so far.
I love how you weirdos make longevity a negative, ya cuck
Vince Carter, Robert Parrish, Jamal Crawford, Udonis Haslem, etc all played 20+ years. Where are their "longevity" stats? Where do they rank on the all time list? They don't! So stop with the tired longevity nonsense. He averaged 27/7/7 for an entire 20+ year career. You have to SUSTAIN greatness for 20 years to achieve a record like this. You don't get the luxury of quitting twice! Not just 6 years of off the charts success and greatness.
@@lifebybill1326 facts
@@lifebybill1326 but yet Jordan still won more than lebron even when he did quit twice. I wonder how that is. Lebron is literally 40% in the finals. That’s atrocious dude.
It wasn’t “that big” because no one ever thought it would be broken…give the 🐐👑 credit
Facts💯
Oh it was massive. He’s still not the goat but he’s absolutely number 2
Absolutely!!! 👊👊✊✊👏👏
^^
I guess Kareem was the goat and Malone was number 2 until Lebron broke the record right 😅
I love when CB makes Nick Wrong flustered and crushes his argument!
"He quit the sport twice"😂😂😂
2 3peats like it was nothing.
@@keithlee_
Sonics 64-18
Jazz 62-20
2018 Warriors 57-25 😬
@@keithlee_ now name how many all stars jordan needed to win a chip? If jordans comp was weaker then why ignore lebron has way more help
SOO. HE QUIT came back and won 3 more ??? Hahaha. THATS RIDICULOUS.
@@keithlee_ that's a lie
The face of Nick Wright when slapped with facts is just priceless
jordan has 56 postseason records ignored by nick Wright
nick would discredit kobe having the scoring record he's delusional and horrible
Those stats lack context completely. Even when Jordan left, the Bulls almost made the east finals. When LeBron left, the teams are always trash. Wade and Bosh where injured or shelves of themselves in those finals runs.
@@zk430 2 years after Lebron left when Heat were healthy, they were 1 game away from East Finals too. Wade was without Bosh and Whiteside. Two years after MJ left, Bulls were 36-33 before MJ came back. Wade already was a champion without MJ and is the reason Lebron finally won. Pippin was ringless (even on stacked Rockets and Blazers teams) without Jordan and never won an MVP
@@ricardolozano5356 obscure records. It’s like saying lebron has the most 25 5 5 games by a landslide. He does. But who cares😭 regardless it’s close enough that if u have either as the goat and someone gets mad at ur opinion then they don’t know ball
Its not that complicated. The reason these records are not held in high esteem is because of media's inability to be interested in numbers about digits. Once a record begins to get into the thousands they seem to ignore it until someone gets close to breaking it.
Exactly! The records that hold weight are numbers that people know off the top of their heads.
But anyone who cared about records knew Kareem was the leader. The same will go with LeBron going forward.
YUP exactly and both football and basketball are thousands sports lol
NICK, I APPRECIATED MUCH OF YOUR COMMENTS, IT'S WELL EXPLAINED AND LOTS OF POINTS.
Nick gets emotional, Chris was giving him facts!
It was the opposite
@@paulrodriguez2337 lol hilarious
Lol Brou coming with the Cleveland stories was heartwarming 🔥🔥💚💚
It’s crazy how Nick always brings Kobe & Jordan into everything lol
He had to do it because he knew they would.
Crazy how YALL bring Jordan in everything 💀
It's called being insecure. LOL
@@Gus-xw9yn So that’s what y’all is when YALL bring up Jordan every time somebody say bron? Okay got you. Your the first to admit it 💯
@@k_dinero7965 Nick Wright is the one wanting to find out why Jordan wasn’t in LA when he’s a team owner. Jordan Fans have other fish to fry . LOL 🤷🏾♂️
Thank you Brousard for being an actual NBA analyst that's objective instead of a paid fanboy!
The fact that he's a pass 1st kinda guy, as opposed to guys who were considered ballhogs, and yet he still broke this, shows just how great a scorer he actually is.
Any player that ball hogs as much as lebron and dribbles as much will compile stats over 25 seasons. He's Drew Brees.
why do you guys continues to spread this lie? lebron is not a “pass 1st kinda guy” that has never been the case. lmfao. you don’t break the all time scoring record by being a pass first player
@@leftbenchplayaa its ok man, its just word semantics. I think u may be missing whats being said by being over technical about your specific use of thr term without considering the specific context the term is being used in, but it doesn't matter. You're absolutely correct, lebron is not a pass 1st guy. Its just entertainment man, dont stress out over it
Bron is a bigger ball hog than what we consider iso players. The offense has to run through him often to the detriment of his teammates and success. He chooses his stats, and who feasts or starves. Creating offensive identity crisis when he isn't in the court. Dismissing the talent around him more often than not. Him being a passer first is a fabrication. He is a stat padded first. As evidenced with his shirt saying check my stats too protect him in another finals loss
Fact!... I've watched almost every game Lebron has played over 20 yrs in the NBA. This is the only game I have seen him come out with a score first mentality.
I like how Nick holds it against Jordan for playing well and succeeding with a guy that was drafted by his team.😭 You can use another boxing analogy to describe that “iron sharpens iron” same for Phil, buddy was coaching down in Boca Raton some where before he coached Jordan.
I don't think it's "holding it against him" per se, just more so combatting this false narrative that Lebron had all this overwhelming help while Jordan did everything by himself...
@@amac9044Right! This goofball slowl
Who was way more fun to watch? Who had people around the world glued to a TV, because any night that man might make one of the most amazingly athletic plays we have ever seen? The 🐐 #23.
I bet you watched last night though
Agree. Not to disrespect any of our greats, but there is nothing that compares to what it felt like when Jordan was dominating not only the NBA, but the sporting world, the headlines, and media outlets around the world. There's nothing I have seen like that before or since. That actually felt more like someone bending the universe, imo. Add the unreal list of accomplishments and it would be hard to believe without seeing it, live or on video. What could 'bend the universe' more than 6 Championships in 8 years, TWO 3peats, 6-0 in the finals, never taken to a game 7, six finals MVPs, 5 regular season MVPs, 14-time all-star in 15 seasons, 3 all-star game MVPs (could easily have been more if he had chosen to be selfish), 9 all-defensive teams while ALSO leading the league in scoring, led the league in steals 3 times, had 200 steals and 100 blocks TWICE as a 6'6 GUARD, had 10 scoring titles-- one of those at 35 yrs old, led his team to an insane nearly decade long stretch when they never lost more than 3 games in a row-- and as Chris B pointed out, all without ever having 2 all-star teammates and with only 9 top 5 picks. Unbelievable. Not to mention, all this while skyrocketing Nike's sales and popularity and NBA TV ratings, and having people try to emulate your style to the point of shaving their heads bald even. That's crazy. Don't know how the universe could bend any further than that. Nick is on point a lot of times but I personally have to disagree on this one. I'm genuinely happy that Lebron broke this record, not trying to throw shade at him in any way. Definitely one of the greatest to ever do it. But honestly have to factor in longevity when talking total stats like all-time points, assists, rebounds, etc. These are great records and stats do count in some ways. But I don't understand how Kareem has held this record all this time and has 2 more Championships than Lebron, but the vast majority of people think Jordan has been the goat all this time. How does now someone breaking the record with 2 less rings than Kareem now leapfrog over Jordan? Personally I'd take accomplishments-- like Jordan's insane list-- over having all-time stat records. Even though on a deeper level Jordan has dominated a lot of stat categories as well. He's the most dominant team-sport athlete I've ever seen. Unlike football, individual players have to play both offense AND defense in the NBA. And MJ dominated on both ends. Just my honest opinion.
Just wanna add: I'm in no way disrespecting our NFL greats. It's an awesome and great league with super talented, all-world athletes as well. Love it wholeheartedly. Obviously, the NFL game is way too physical for players to spend a significant amount of time playing both offense and defense if they want a prolonged career. Just saying it's a factor that NBA players are largely judged on both, (not that they all excel at both), and when someone dominated at both as MJ did you have to take that into account in terms of overall greatness by sport. That in no way takes from the greatness of the amazing NFL athletes. Just wanted to make that clear.
i don't find it surprising for a player to accumulate more points to his record, for playing more games... what's great about that?
average points per game (total points scored/total games played) would be more significant to a player's greatness IMO.
Nick: “If you say he locked down the era…”
😂
He was gonna go off on that one lmao.
He did.
Yeah he locked downed💩Everyone won during Lebron😂Even team with solo superstar
@@upfront2375 Do you think Jordan only played 6 years? isaiah, larry, magic, hakeem, kobe, shaq, tim, robinson all won when MJ was active also....
@@jon401 Isaiah larry and magic are the only legit ones on there. Hakeem got his when he jordan wasn't there i think and anything after 98 seems like a stretch.
Nick's got a point...before there even was a Jordan vs Lebron debate... when we talked about Kareem's GOAT-level status..it was always the scoring record
Bru came with it for mike🔥🔥🔥
I like how you did that Nick! 💪🏼👑
Broussard at the end gave a mic drop comparison case close end of discussion, he blew him up like spontaneous human combustion
FACTS!
No not really.
not really.
Lebron is phenomenal, I’m not a Jordan fan who uses the finals record losses as an argument because it’s stupid. Lebron and MJ both dominated their eras and put up amazing stats and accomplishments. It’s pointless comparing those between both players because they played in different eras. I give MJ the goat status because the eye test, we’ve never seen a more aesthetic and graceful player than MJ. He inspired and bamboozled fans every night, no player played harder every night. The blend of skill athleticism and finesse has never been replicated since. No player has more iconic plays, and there’s never been a more recognizable face in the history of the league.
LeBron hasn't even Dominated his own Era haha think Curry is doing that
idk about iconic plays..bron has more buzzer beaters + the chase downs. I wouldn't even say either of them are the most fun or exciting to watch. I'd give that to steph. Alot of your points are subjective about you just liking his playstyle which is fine, but you can argue a lot of players by their combination of skill/aesthetic/athleticism & awe inspiring moments like kyrie, KD, steph. Problem with the eye test is you can compare it to girls for example. I might like latinas, you might like asians. They can both be hot, nice girls, and have good jobs but we just prefer different people because of how they look even if one isn't any better than the other.
While I agree holding LeBron's Finals losses against him isn't a great argument because his 7th, 8th, 9th and tenth best seasons ended in the Finals while Jordan's 7-10 didn't get that far, you can't discount Jordan's post season success either in the GOAT argument. Once he punched through, no one could stop him. He 3-peated, retired for a year and half, came back, lost one playoff series, then 3-peated again. Do the math. In an 8 year span, he won 25 of 26 playoff series. 25-1 and 6 titles in 8 years is the greatest dynasty in the last 50 years of any American sport. I just don't see anything on LeBron's resume that compares to that.
Btw the same exact arguments you just laid out for Jordan can be said in favor of Lebron and in fact, they have been.
@@ayyyman3 Lebron's wow factor in his game is underwhelming compared to Jordan's, its pure brute force driving to the rim and tomahawk slams. His game lacks finesse and grace. He has developed a nice outside game but he looks like he has ankle weights when he shoots jumpshots. He hardly ever does circus type shots.
I HONESTLY didn't noticed the absent of Michael Jordan😂😂👑💪💯
I did notice when the GOAT was at the Staple center for Kobe Memorial that LBJ was missing. And he was a Lakers player at that point. Imagine that. It is said Kobe kind of was more friendly with LBJ before he had passed. LBJ had been there two years at that point.
Because you were not born yet!! Lol😂lol😂
@@franciscoarroyo9402 Just say "No"..
Nick is completely wrong. Lebron didn't do everything he said. He already forgot lebron said not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6. Where's all the chips in Miami?
Nick is spot-on as he has been saying. If Kobe or Jordan had done this, people would treat it with reverence.
Cause they were actually better players than Lebron maybe lol
@@Bruno2777 the argument with Jordan is always there but everyone who says Kobe is better is out of their mind. He has absolutely nothing on LeBron except one more Finals trophy and even that might not last long!
by only measuring peak performance, we are ignoring all of the hard work off the court that allows someone to be great for so long, which is a major part of what makes someone great.
Great indeed just not the equivalent of the GREATEST...
@@Mercurial. so if we measure the greatest by the greatest peak, can someone become the greatest ever if they have say...4 great years?
@@mikepanton Diego Maradona in soccer he didn't last very long but many say he is the GOAT because of his peak years
@@patcisz3474 I've literally never heard of that guy but I'm not a soccer guy, so I'll take your word for it
@@mikepanton Funny how they never mention when Lebron "allegedly" got caught using PEDS in Florida when He played for the heat. Maybe that has something to do with his longevity. He got caught that time with other athletes like Alex Rodriguez, Evander Holyfield, Jameer Nelson. Funny how a lot of those articles have been scrubbed from the internet.
Doesn’t matter Records are always meant to be broken so that’s that. Legacy’s is a whole different story though MJ 🐐
For me.. LeBron is the Goat
@@millennial4840 troll
Jabbar had only ONE 3-pointer in his whole career score though.
he did everything he said he would except wining 6 rings
He’ll have 4 after 25 seasons.
“He’s done everything he set out to do!”
I remember “Not two, not three, not four, not five, not six.”
LOL 🤣
Is he still playing Miami?
@@gutikonga7161 nope he in La fighting for a play in spot
@@gutikonga7161 No. He decided to leave the most competent franchise he’s ever been with
He got 4 rings. He A Billionaire homie. Keep Hating
Nick you’re the best. Much appreciated ❤
He's the worst. His defense is horrible.
Ppl on purposely not mentioning the competitors of MJ.
In that era, even Dennis Johnson, Danny Ainge, Mark Price were all-stars.
Comparing to LeBron, averagely Jordan played against players who had less athleticism, less size, less strength, in his era only a few can shoot 3s, big man couldn’t run the floor, no one doing handles like shammgod, no eurosteps, no zone defense. They played hustle , but were 20～40-lbs lighter than today.
When Jordan left bulls they went from 57 wins to 55 and Bulls almost entered 3rd round.
And Kobe said hand check is nothing big comparing to zone defense.
LeBron played in a way better era.
LeBron >Jordan
It wasn’t just hand checks, it was the Jordan rules, I wonder what Kobe thought about that 🤔
Brou always kills Nick on MJ versus Labron.
No lies detected
Nah he don’t
@@alejandroabreha4516 All of Nick's arguments are rooted in career longevity whereas Brousarrd arguments are performance based. Do you know how hard it is to 3peat? Jordan did it twice with the same team and despite Labron team jumping he failed to do it even once. Labron joined top competition to avoid competing against it. Jordan more titles in fewer seasons. Played in a tougher era. 100 percent in finals. The intangibles, the way he played the game, took everything personal and addressed challenges to his supremacy on the court. Lebron isn't close to MJ as a basketball player.
@@orionsimerl6539
"Lebron isn't close to MJ as a basketball player."
*You're right LeBron is way better than Jordan.* All-time scorer, the only player to be top 100 in 5 categories: points, rebounds, assists, steals, *AND* blocks.
LeBron is more durable than Jordan ever dreamed.
Jordan did not play in the toughest era, he is 0-6 against Larry Bird in the playoffs and lost several series to the Pistons.
Jordan didn't win until Scottie came: just facts. Nobody does it alone, but without Scottie and Big Phil Jackson, there would be no mythology of Jordan.
Jordan is greatness, but much of his mystique is marketing and subjectivity. Like Nick said, Jordan holds very few records, and because of this it always comes down to your opinion.
@@reverendblue7338 LOL.. 1 is longevity not peak performance which doesn't translate to more durable. Jordan with the Bulls played 82 games 9x out of 11 seasons, most in league history. Labron played 82 games 1x in 20 seasons.
Nobody comes into the league winning chips. Once Jordan had a team he never essentially never lost. 2 3 peats and out.
He did everything he said, except all the chips he promised Miami, not three not four not five not six not seven 😂😂
So he did not do everything he said he would do?
@@martinvasquez9888 he talked more than he did.
I agree with Nick on the fact that if this isn’t one of the most important records than what is. Idk what Chris was talking about
You could score a ton of points and still not win as much as someone else. Idk I think winning is better than scoring
@@whocareswhatelithinks Winning isn't a record. It's the entire point of every sport.
@@connor_phillipz5689 bron has done both
@@connor_phillipz5689 how is winning not a record? Someone has won the most. I’ve never thought of Kareem as the best basketball player.
@@whocareswhatelithinksthis wasn’t about who the goat and best winner is. The scoring record was the most important record in sports history that every sports fan knew. Lebron broke it and now it’s not that important?? Stop it
Jordan made Phil Jackson, Scottie, Tim Grover etc hall of famers/legendary. Even Jordan’s security team was legendary. Everybody who was affiliated with Jordan became a legend
How did Jordan make Phil legendary....??? MJ had no rings until Phil. 🤡💩
@@thomasgroh3276 how did the bulls go with out jordan but with scottie and phil.... penny is not so wise now is he 🤡
@@thomasgroh3276because MJ was face of the Nba and Phil was a nobody before Krause brought hin to the Bulls? Watch the Last Dance so you don’t sound stupid
@krump 7 they were one bad call away from the conference finals. Then Phil went and won rings with Shaq and Kobe. Without Phil what did Jordan accomplish?
@@snarf0596 facts.....👍
Man! 11:11 till the end. Nick vs Chris made my day. Best LB MJ debate 😆 🔥 🔥 🔥
It’s kind of telling that the game that Nick brought up as Jordan’s “bad moment” they ended up winning lol
he’s freaking out that “Scottie saved Jordan” when Ray Allen *literally* saved LeBron in 2013 and arguably Kyrie did the same in 2016 lmfao
@@joshplatanitis1774 So you not going to bring up the last two mins of that game to you to that point where he “saved” him?
@@anthonyauthentic7934 Nick doesn’t add any context in Jordan’s favor so why would he lol
@@johnhancock1362 so it’s a battle of misinformation? Lol anywho , I’m speaking of the one in the comments.
@@anthonyauthentic7934 Because the only thing that matters is the final 2 minutes. The other 46 are irrelevant
Been waiting for this all week
Because you can’t spell GOAT without “all time” I am here for the MJ SLANDER! I love the MJ banter!!!
Can I just say? I love this debate. I've been going at it with family, friends and others for so long. It's cool to see that it's still going and even becoming more and more a debate as it went on. Just love it. The passion from both sides!
Since when did losing in the finals become a bad thing? It's a good thing to win your conference final oh, it's a good thing to make it to the last series of the year!!!
@Casey Ray Harris. Esquire absolutely. Getting Silver is better than not getting a medal at all. Which is why I'll never get why it's a knock for LBJ in the finals. Especially with the necessary context about the teams he faced in the finals. All time teams. Especially compared to who the Bulls faced.
@@caseyrayharris.esquire489because if you had the talent to get there and then fail at the most important part is not what greates do. If anything, lebron gets a pass for most of his failures in the finals and still gets ranked pretty high all time. He had the famous melt down vs the mavs, faced an old spurs team, definitely two championships he should have won, the only ones he had excuses for was the two vs GS with Durant. Other than those, every finals he’s lost was winnable. And that’s embarrassing. He got to the finals so many times because the leastern conference was so bad. He ran around the league creating super teams and still you fail that much? I mean it’s just a bad look.
OMG Why can't someone be congratulated for their achievement without being compared to others. Celebrate the person and give them their flowers while they are here.
Thank you
The hate is real
They are congratulated and given flowers.
It's the fans that's determined to comapare LBJ to someone.
I love Lebron, but the fact that Karl Malone almost had the record minimizes the importance of it imho
Thank you, Chris.
Well said. Amazing. LeBron bends the NBA universe to his will. Appreciate this greatness. Night after night. Year after year.
You gotta take the good with the bad... LeBron's contributions/impact include players "load managing" and skipping every 3rd or 4th game... or just acting like Kyrie.
Couldnt bend the universe into a win against the tanking thunder though
He can't bend it any more, and get calls from the refs these last few years.I think he fell out of favor with the NBA , in his words, there is a conspiracy to keep the Lakers down. But they added the play in game as a last rope to get him into the playoffs? I don't understand. They even give you a last chance to get into the playoffs.
@@sensiblyhonest695 at 35 - 38... the man had more miles on his body in year 15 than Kobe or MJ
@@Bobbleheads56 when you've scored 38pts. You've done your job... it's like you nimwits act as if if only player is on the court
Chris gets his talking points from Twitter
Ironic statement. Nick wright "Lebron was better at 20 and 38 therefore he's the goat", and then proceeded to use Jay-Z as his argument. Lmao what a trash argument. Nick Wright's career is styled off debating like a twitter debater. Chris is actually a reputable reporter who's been in the industry forever. Nick is a clever stat nerd who doesn't love and watch games, he uses basketball reference to support his crazy basketball narratives.
Nick bringing up Chris's Jay-Z argument is perfection
The nitpicking on lebron is so ridiculous.
I think Nick needs to understand the difference between quit and retirement…
Man what a game to get there as well...shot out to my Ohio Brethren Bron Bron...wow...we're very proud of you!
I'd love to know where Kareem and MJ would be if they went pro straight from high school. Also if MJ didn't take a 2 year break and Bulls owner wasn't an idiot running everyone off his team.
Another what ifs. Stop dreaming and Stay in reality
Particularly, Kareem who lost 4 very productive years to college.
MJ did not take a break. He was banned for gambling on the NBA and lying to the league and to the authorities. Stern did MJ the solid of a lifetime.
@@stevengordon3271So if bron did it in 1k less shots and a hundred and something less games than kareem, what do u think bron gonna do to the record in 4 years? U and ole boy slow 😂
@@emericas9 Kareem made 1 3pt shot. Bron made over 2000 so he got extra points from that. Reason Kareem and Lebron are at 1 and 2 is they both played longer than most. Bron has a 27 point career average, MJ had 30. If he played the same amount of time he'd be thousands of points ahead.
If Chris B. was saying that LBJ had more star players etc..... why then was his team the underdogs in the 2012 finals & the HEAVY underdogs in 2016 finals? And even in the bubble, his team wasn't the favored team to win it all because LAC were the clear favorites to win it all. I don't recall who was the favored team to win it the 2013 finals, but as we all saw it, the 2 teams were evenly matched & went the full 7. That game was only decided like in the last 20 secs or less of the game. That's the only finals that the Spurs have lost in a c'ship series. I would have thought that coming into the 2013 finals that the SAS had the advantage because they swept the Grizz in 4 while the Heat had to go through the full 7 to be the Pacers.
Chris Brussard downplaying this achievement just makes my heart hurt man.
He wasn’t downplaying it. He spoke facts. This record is very similar to the rushing record. He congratulated it. Nick tried to make it seem like it makes him the greatest scorer ever and it doesn’t.
@@dominiquewilson And just like Emmitt passing chicago legend Walter Payton, Lebron basically is playing simply to own this record. Both Emmitt and James were well past their primes when they got to it and a shadow of themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if James plays until he is 40 to put distance on the record but he's still play purely because he wanted this record and nothing else.
@The Bean Chris always does stuff like that. They hate Lebron man. It’s sickening!
The truth is that it was never a thing until it was evident that Lebron could never reach Jordan's status as the GOAT so it is just used for that debate and is blown out of proportion. Good for him for scoring all those points, but let's be honest it all has to do with playing for 20+ years. Game to game dominance is what greatness is. Records are just records. Jordan scored more points per season than Lebron. So this is just a record of longevity. Period.
@@casual35
He's 20 plus years because he's tougher and a better athlete than Jordan ever was or will be.
The all-time scoring doesn't matter because it's LeBron and Jordan. Jordan has better marketing: shoes, commercials etc. But Jordan isn't better than LeBron.
Nick wright punching air as usual
Congratulations to LeBron but… y’all lost. I mean come on. LeBron has had: Wade, Bosh, Shaq, Ben Wallace, Kyrie, Kevin Love, AD, Alonzo Mourning and a host of other good players and has four rings. Jordan had Pippen and Rodman, maybe Horace Grant and won more.
A lot of people dont understand how much Scottie was a big piece of Jordan's success. Jordan was 3 of 22 shots in the finals but they won because Scottie carried the Bulls that night. But no one brings that game up aside from Nick because he's not blinded bu the narrative.
That wasn't even the Finals, and it was one game, a game 3. What other games do you have where MJ completely shat the bed?
Watching Nick Wright lose the GOAT debate never gets old.
It stupid considering lebron is the goat
@@Nobodyespeacialjustaburner 😂
Say it again Nick never stands a chance
@@Nobodyespeacialjustaburner the goat of 2nd place
Um I'm not so sure he lost that debate tho. He made one of the best arguments for LBJ being GOAT.
Nick has to be crazy he said he would take four chips over 6 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That just shows he doesn't value winning rings and how bias he is
Nick is such a dweeb. His measure of greatness is so low. Total delusional LeChoke fan boy
@@youtuber_00786 nick would be the kinda dad to give his kids participation awards and a pat on the back and say "look son, you lost and u didnt play well, but u got there and thats all that counts"
True
I never understood the whole idea of winning rings being the measuring stick with MJ, teams and coaching are half of it and in this context you know both of these two can will a whole team of they have to. That mf MJ averaged 30 has the ppg record, and played 15 years on top of being one of the best wing defenders ever. Bron averaged 27 7 and 7 while playing 20 years, and has the all time scoring record. Eras aside, rings aside, these two are clearly the best to ever do it and in reality they are probably neck in neck.
That was Jordan's choice to walk away from the game for.whatever reason.