Everyone knows Steve Nash robbed Kobe back to back.. Shaq was in Miami playing backup behind Wade. Stop lying on national TV. But Shaq got Robbed and Kobe was what# Westbrook MVP
I think its safe to say now, the coast is clear.... I think. Skip may have touched on this previously. Many people don't realise how bad of a player Kobe was as no 8. Meaning one dimensional, little to no defensive effort, immature court vision, non existent passing and NO intangibles. Shaq was a phenom, but Shaq also outweighed his opponent by 60+ pounds. As good as he was. Shannon sees the game only on face value without realising the depths of the game and what really wins games and championships. Like when Skip says that Giniobili was a generational innovator that Kobe learned from. Real 5 on 5 basketball. Not dribble/dribble.......... fade away- drive to the net(oh he fouled me) type of play. Kobe I am sure was a Manchurian candidate in this regard. You see his play(awful) as no 8 and you must think a high scorer on a three peat team is the best guard ever. Yet, Skip may order me to do 8 count push ups if I said this. I don't think Jordan was the goat either because he played in an era where this evolved play was less frequent. Before Manu, how many players utilised the hammer pass for instance. Or elite passing at all? Manu wasn't the best passer ever, but he was an OG in this regard because the game evolved from that style. A style that LeBron even had to learn and has become quite adept at. Scoring is scoring, but it is that it is one aspect of the game. A great scorer is a play finisher, not a playmaker per say.
Shaq last to 3peat, his average in the NBA finals during the 3peat: 38.0, 33.0 and then his third 36.3. Shaq in his day absolutely unstoppable, commands a doubleteam every posession, and a lot of opposite defenders are in foul trouble. Shaq killed Tim Duncan on multiple occasions, and Duncan is a top6 player in my books. Curry is top ten player, but Shaq is not the guy you bump out.
No one wants to say it but tbh the guy who should get bumped is Bird. His injuries ruined his longevity which has to come into play in the all-time lists and between him and Magic I have Magic still there.
@@logandraper6271 Bird’s prime was enough to keep him on the list. 3 straight MVPs, for those years it was undisputed who the best player in the world was
@@logandraper6271 If anyons bumped its between Bird and Wilt. Wilt only has 2 chips and 4 mvps and Bird has 3 chips and 3 mvps, so it's between those two. And id personally take off Wilt before Bird cause of time Bird played in. Wilt dominated cause of his size and height but Bill was 3 inches shorter playing the same position with more rings obviously and mvps. So it really should be Wilt.
Brah Wilt Chamberlain caused the mt.everest shift in the 🏀 world. Rules change x5 to limit his dominance. He didnt dominate based off his size. He limited based on his size. He couldn't bulldoze like Shaq or Lebron. It was a charge back then. Dude athleticism is greatest prolly ever. Bill Russell/Wilt won the same mvps when both of them were in the league. Wilt owns the record book for Playoffs and regular season. Let not even get into who Did Shaq play in the finals when he won. Washed up players who were bums. Teams was bums. Refs handed them titles. Wilt Chamberlain is top 2 With Michael. The 🏀 world goes out of it way to suppress the real GOAT. In Wilt. The debate in the 90s and 80s was who the GOAT. WILT OR JORDAN. Even those two among all of thr players argued about it. Everyone else was bystanders
Instead of attacking who is and isn't top 10, we need to increase the value and emphasize the importance of the top 15 or 20, the difference between 4-15 is often where the debate lies because the passage of time will add more and more great players of comparable success and talent. Everyone top 10 order is different but 90% of everyone's top 15 have the same players which is actually where the value lies.
You're completely right. It's so subjective between 4-15. Do you value longevity? Higher peak? Do you value defense and rebounding? Or the ability to make teammates better? The ability to orchestrate an offense? Do you value athleticism or sheer physical dominance? The ability to switch 1-5? Do you value having the clutch gene? Accolades? There are so many factors, it comes down to personal preference. I personally don't have Curry top 10. 3 of his 4 rings were easy and heavily favored to win, and he also didn't peak until around age 26 so he doesn't have a crazy long peak compared to a lot of other players. He's also lacking athleticism and strength so he can't defend or dunk at an elite level. There is nothing wrong with saying Curry is top 12-14 and still going, that's still an unbelievable feat but ppl act like it's slandering him. He made it to top 15 while being serviceable on defense at best and peaking late, which just goes to show great his offense is. You're right that most ppl have the same top 15 and it's like splitting hairs trying to make a top 10. A lot of ppl underrate Oscar, Hakeem, Russell, Jerry West (30ppg player with elite defense), even KD could be argued considering he was superstar by age 19 so he has longevity on his side.
My Picks.. 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 4. Wilt Chamberlain 5. Bill Russell 6. Magic Johnson 7. Larry Bird 8. Kobe Bryant 9. Tim Duncan 10. Hakeem Olajuwon 11. Shaquille O’Neal 12. Stephen Curry
Unc too funny “Now run tell that, you see that list, look list right there” 😂.. He makes tha show better frfr, whether it’s a serious segment/topic or a comical one, Unc always got that edge.
I disagree a lot with both of their lists. As for Shannon, I didn’t rl hear an argument as to why he had Steph over shaq, he jus said shaq underachieved. And skip having Bron at 9…
Agreed. Shaq shouldn't be punished for underachieving. His resume is great. 3 fmvps, 1 mvp, scoring title. 8th all time in blocks. Top 10 in scoring and per. He should be a mainstay.
@@Jeazzy24 Kobe ahead of lebron is a insult to common sense. The only reason he has so many finals elimination is that he can carry trash teams to the finals unlike Kobe or Jordan.
@@DestroyerOff trash teams. Lebron has played with more Hof and all stars then anyone. Get out the comment section with the nonsense cuz u don't like facts. 6 Ls eliminate u from top 3 PERIOD
@Trendy way Idc if he only had 1 mvp, Guy has 15 all nba selections, 9 of em being first team, and was also 9 times first team all defense, 12 selections. He above bird and Duncan.
@Trendy way nah it had everything to do with that case and everyone knows Nash didnt deserve those. Kobe and Shaq should've got 1 each of those. This is also why you can't go by stats alone to know who was actually nice like that on the court. One of those seasons Kobe avg like 35 a game and had an insane run of like a month plus of scoring 60 and 50 every damn game! Insane numbers that Nash didnt even come close to.
there’s a lot of bias on who they’d have in there top 10, but shannon gave a clear and real explanation as to why his list is the way it is, i respect his decisions in putting players in the spots he did even if i don’t 100% agree with them
I agree with both of them. Shaq is fosho higher than 10 just not quite 3 and like Shannon said, Lebron is 3 at worst. Its always interesting to see where people put Wilt and Russell. Plus personally, if Curry wins another championship he goes from 11 to 7 on my list. If he wins two more it really starts to get interesting. And I think he’ll play another 6-8 years and the Warriors have a smart front office, definitely possible.
So are you judging by the amount of championships players have,well if so Bill is number 1.Everyone has their own list so its all about opinions.I would say Wilt is most underrated and so is Dr.J and Karl Malone
@@glenroybrathwaite1531 Rings have like 50% influence in rankings. So Steph's ranking will always rise every time he wins a championship. But rings arent everything that's why no one thinks Robert horry was one of the greatest. Also Bill Russel's championships should be valued less since it was in an 8 team league.
We're in that dreaded time of year when the first block of the show for the next two months are going to be some version of Jordan versus Lebron. Where we hear the same stories and arguments over who is better.
Can we keep it real here? As a Lakers fan during the Kobe-Shaq run, and as someone who had to sit through the loss in 2004, I am 100% with Shannon about Shaq. Was Shaq all-time TALENTED? Of course! We haven't seen anybody like him since Wilt, and they dominated in different ways. But let's not forget, Shaq was a massive liability at the free throw line. They even named a strategy after him, "hack-a-Shaq". You COULD NOT HAVE HIM ON THE FLOOR IN THE 4TH QUARTER OF CLOSE GAMES IF YOU WANTED TO WIN. Come on, do we say that about Curry? We can argue defense all day but it's clear (to me at least) that Steph has become a credible enough defender so that teams can't blatantly exploit him on that end of the floor like they exploited Shaq's weakness. Steph is still a bad individual defender but you have to worry about him in the passing lanes and he picks people's pocket on a regular basis (highest steals average per game in the 2022 Finals). On top of that, Shannon's absolutely right. Shaq's ability fell off a cliff after he left the Lakers. Shaq did NOT have Kobe's work ethic and was famously quoted saying stupid (for a pro athlete) things like "I got hurt on company time, I'll get better on company time." OK, maybe if you want to be mediocre this makes sense, but if you want to be AMONG THE BEST IN THE WORLD this isn't quite a killer mentality. And yeah, we can argue they should have given the regular season MVP to Shaq instead of Steve Nash, but we also argue that Steph should have gotten the Finals MVP the year Iggy won it. Overall, I think Steph has had a bigger impact on the game, was the first unanimous regular season MVP, and has shown he can win without a top tier superstar next to him. Shaq never won anything without Kobe or D Wade, both all-time great shooting guards. And Steph did this not ONCE, but TWICE without KD. So let's not pretend it's all about Shaq being bad or anything like that. No, Shaq is an all-time great player. But like Shannon said, it gets ticky-tacky as time goes on for a top 10 because there are always going to be new great players in the game, and therefore it gets more and more crowded on these all-time lists when it comes to making a case for different players. But I think Curry over Shaq isn't that hard. Yes, they couldn't stop Shaq in his era, but can anybody stop Curry in this one? In Game 6 of the Finals, wasn't Steph stepping on the logo draining 3's to close out the series? To my eyes, the only one that stops Steph on any given night is Steph (because he's cold shooting). And oh right, to stop Shaq all we have to do is foul him.
Shaq is the youngest player ever to make NBA top 50 greatest players that saying alot about Shaq how great he really was Kobe even said out his own mouth that Shaq was the most dominant player he's ever seen and played with facts
You said you were a lakers fan during their run but you say all you have to do to stop Shaq is to foul him? Obviously you weren’t really a fan if thats what you really think….
@@vinnyl264 I'm being facetious to some degree, but obviously I mean "stop him in the 4th quarter". You can't keep Shaq on the floor late in games because he's going to be fouled repeatedly and the other team will just keep taking free throws. OBVIOUSLY Shaq is one of the all-time greats, a force of nature, and nobody could keep Shaq from going where he wanted to go on the court, including the rim. (Well, a couple of guys gave Shaq some trouble, like Yao Ming for example)
@@Qichar it’s become more and more obvious you never watched the lakers lol. They were never pulling Shaq in the 4th quarter of big time games… especially on the lakers. If you didn’t watch, just say it.
@Qichar you should have this comment published as a book. It's certainly long enough. And it's accurate. Some of the things you mentioned I had totally forgotten about. Shaq was a monster but it didn't last long enough for him to be top 10 all time. Shannons argument is well thought out while skip is using shock value. The debate is not even close.
The arguments Shannon is saying for Kareem and Wilt over Shaq is the same for Jordan over Lebronm more MVPs, Finals MVPs, scoring titles, steals titles, memorable moments, etc. Lebron only has MJ in longevity stats like Mailman.
I’ve read every 1 of ur comments and all of them are spot on. At this point skip is just a biased current superstar hater he doesn’t like players who are still in the league being in the top 10
And here's what I'm thinking: what's skip gonna say if Steph gets number 5? If Steph has 5, with the MVPs, the scoring titles, all that, I mean, there's gonna be talks that he'll surpass Magic. Then what? Also, you watch Steph Curry live, and let me tell you, Steph hits threes that make you feel just as helpless as shaq's physicality. I saw a game in Oracle against the sixers where Steph had 45, and deadass, he would hit a three over a double team, and both the guys guarding him would turn to their coach FURIOUS. Like, "what are we supposed to do with this? How could we possibly stop THAT?" I mean, c'mon, this is ridiculous. Steph literally just destroyed the Celtics! And he destroyed the Mavericks before that! I mean, heck, he swept the blazers in 2019 WITHOUT Kevin Durant!
@@IceMicko my god that was in 2016 the man just redeemed himself this year proving he could be the lead guy and you’re still bringing this up. Every great player besides Jordan has had a disappointing finals performance but the great ones always bounce back and that’s what Steph did, give him some credit.
He need to take Kobe off. I love Kobe but man is top 15 at best. Kobe wasn’t even the best when he played. In the early 2000s it was Shaq, mid 2000s it was Tim Duncan, and late 2000 it was a Lebron James. Ima get hate for this but it’s true
Every all-time great has always had other great players with them. To win rings you have to have some serious talent on the roster. Jordan had Rodman/Pippen, Lebron had Wade/Kyrie/Davis, Shaq had Kobe, Kobe had Shaq/Gasol, Curry had Klay/Green/KD. Everyone has talent with them, but the only difference now is that players have way more of a say in team building. The problem is the ever-shifting criteria. If its rings, its Russell not Jordan.
This is the worst team curry has ever been on talent based tho. Klay wasn’t even on the team for most of the year injured. But they fit together so they worked
Shaq stats 92- 23.4pts 13.9 rbs 93- 29.3pts 13.2 rbs 94- 29.3pts 11.4 rbs 95- 26.6pts 11.0 rbs 96- 26.2pts 12.5 rbs 97- 28.3pts 11.4 rbs Those are his 1st 6yrs Shaq came into the league top 5
@@HolyRan187 12?? Nah he cant shoot and he would be put in pick n rolls all game on defense and hed have to guard on the perimeter with he wouldnt be geat at! Mayb his first 5 years hed be good but not them LA years
Shaq was rookie of the year, 7th, not top 5 in mvp voting and dint even make All NBA 3rd team, made 3rd team his second year.. Tim Duncan was rookie of the year, top in 5 mvp voting, top 5 all defense voting and All NBA first team since he was a rookie. There are levels to this... I know Shaq was a beast, but he was only all defense 3 times compared to Duncans 15x... If anything Shaq underperformed based on his size and physical ability. Shaq is still in my top 10 though...
Nah...Duncan higher. He would have 6 is ray didn't make a prayer. Bill Russell is out...only avg 16 and played with all Allstars with only 8 league team.
Shaq is the greatest football player/tank the NBA has ever seen. Basketball player to me means elite skills in passing, shooting, dribbling, movement without the ball, court vision, leadership to make others better and determination to get the W. Steph took his pound for pound greatness and surpassed the heavyweights. Did what Iverson couldn't and won 4 rings while changing the game. Steph belongs in the top 10. Some may need time and distance to see his greatness, but we are witnessing it first hand and close up. Period.
@@aaronuthayakumar1967 preach, I’m the biggest curry fan and putting magic ahead of him although I wouldn’t, it’s a respectable take but saying curry didn’t change the game it’s just hate for no reason.
When Shannon is talking about Kobe only having one MVP everybody knows that he got robbed for about two other ones because of what happened in colorado! Let's be clear one of Steve Nash's MVPs belongs to Kobe and one of Steve Nash's MVP's belongs to Shaq
@@RKO859You need to share whatever you're smoking with everyone else. Nash had no business winning either of those two MVPs. Most NBA historians even say it was a fallacy for Nash to win those two.
@@RKO859 there is no way you can be more valuable if you weren't the better player that year. By a mile. For instance you can legitimately make a case that Michael Jordan should have won MVP every year in Chicago with the exception of his second year. When he broke his damn foot. Another example... Joel embiid was clearly the MVP of the League this past year and Nikola jokic got it. The years that they gave a 16 point average player the MVP was clearly a popularity contest. The year that Shaq won MVP everybody knows that he should have been the unanimous MVP and one reporter just didn't like Shaq.
Shannon’s list most resembles mine and makes most sense to me. Skip with having LeBron in 9th is OUTRAGEOUS! This man is on his way to having the most points ever in NBA history and he’s got him 9 and Shaq 3rd? Skip, stop this!
Lol got ‘em. These bronsexuals don’t know what to say anymore. Remember when LeBron only had 2 rings and they were saying “if Lebron James wins one more ring then he’s already better then Jordan” 5 mins later…rings don’t matter, it’s a team achievement lmao
@@leultrainstinct406 better ball handler, better shooter, better passer. Steph just wasnt born as a 7ft and 280lbs player, if that what you means "better", then yeah.
@@tigera6 don’t respond he’s always everywhere in the comments hating on curry as soon as they lose a regular seasson game starts spammming and then when they win he stays quite
If he was a dominant player, how come he had to go team to teams to join good players to get him JUST four rings. If he was that a dominant player then he should have at least ten rings lmao
bron bron ditched his own city to pair up with a league top 3 NBA finals MVP to finally get his ring. This cowardly move alone excludes him from being on mt. rushmore. An opportunist should never be celebrated, it's bad for the sport
@@quiara25 ye I feel like even if they got an all time great pg in Steph they need another great playmaker. Undoubtedly MJ is a decent passer but I don't wanna leave it up to chance. LeBron's gravity gon be better than KD
I have him top 5 center all time. I just think the way those 5 would play together would be unbeatable, not necessarily who's better then the other but how team ball would be played.
Shannon was a workout warrior. The fact that Shaq was the most physically dominant player ever and was as great as he was considering his poor work ethic (relative to other nba legends) bothers him. Edit: now that I think about it, if we’re penalizing players for not maximizing their careers, logically we have to give players who did maximize their careers more credit. So is Steve Nash now a borderline top 10 player because he was a massive overachiever?
surely that should make his goat argument stronger because unlike everyone else on that list, he was no where near his potential greatness. prime universe shaq would be undisputed 10 ring winner
@@karaokekingskingdom I think it hurts it cause you think "what could've been" instead of what actually happened. Looking back and being like "Shaq could've done more" makes me feel less about him
It should bother everyone. It’s heart breaking that everyone saw that him and Kobe if they both were at their physical peaks could’ve and should’ve won double MJ’s ring count. No one expected Shaq to be as obsessively dedicated to training as Kobe (because no one was and ever will be that obsessed. Not even Jordan) but if he cared a bit more about his training, his breakup with the lakers might’ve never happened.
@@vinnythewebsurfer I guarantee you no matter how great Shaq took care of himself, they wouldn’t “double MJs ring count” with Shaq being in his late 20s by the time they 3 peated.
That logic doesn’t actually track. Something being true doesn’t the reverse of it is also true. That’s a logical fallacy. For example, “you can’t be a good NBA player without natural talent,” using your thought process every player who has natural talent should be a good NBA player. I also wouldn’t call Steve Nash an overachiever. He was just really smart. He wasn’t the most skilled and it wasn’t about his talent. He was good at running an offense because of how he studied the game.
It's only disrespectufl because Curry doesn't feel like a top 10 player for many people. We WANT him to be there. But he only has 4 all nba first teams. Only 2 MVPs and only 1 finals MVP. Mediocre career stats and poor defense. Putting him in the top 10 just feels unright unless he changes that.
@@marcuscarpenter7230 I mean; in the Finals had a 4-point game, 2 5-point games; 2 8-point games; 3 12-point games and 2 13-point games. Imagine if there was First Take; Undisputed or even First things First back then and he just scored 5 in the Finals. 😂😂
If Kobe was still here, Shannon would of taken Kobe out the top 10 instead of Shaq for Steph & said more Kobe slander... Most LeBron fans/ Bronsexuals (not all but most) rank Kobe as low as possible or not on the list at all to make LeBron look good smh
@@MrGenexxx nah i think most lebron fans don’t really care about kobe it’s lebron vs mj kobe is mj but inefficient kobe is not top 5 meanwhile lebron is either 1st or 2nd the advanced stats show it mj is first in almost everything and lebron is right behind and the margin is not that much meanwhile kobe is way down the list
Bro I don’t understand the logic, for me Mj is #1 and Kobe is the closest thing to him so that’ll make him #2 all time that’s how my list start they wanna award Lebron for all them finals trip but don’t bring up jerry west with the same argument every one who I have before bron won more with less and in less time
@@raymondvankenie3106 he pass Kobe coming back 3-1 against a 73 win team you causal ,Kobe had a dominant Shaq in his prime on his team Lebron carry bums /old people yall looking like haters
Bruh the league had to change the way the entire nba is played AND changed 3 point foul rules mainly bc of him. Stack that with all his awards/his leadership and he’s top 10 easily
Might get a lot of Heat for this list but....... 1. Jordan ( 6 chips, 6 fmvps, 5 mvps ) 2. Lebron ( 4 mvps, 4 fmvps, 2013 season ) 3. Kareem ( skyhook unstoppable ) 4. Bill Russell ( 11 chips, defensive king ) 5. Magic ( greatest player of the 80s ) 6. Wilt ( records will never EVER be broken ) 7. Bird ( 3 straight mvps, also 3 chips ) 8. Shaq ( 3 straight chips and 3 finals mvps ) 9. Kobe ( 5 chips, killer will, hardest worker ) 10. Duncan ( 5 chips, 3 mvps, 3 finals mvps ) Nothing against Steph, he changed the game and is the 2nd greatest point guard of all time. Kobe Shaq Bird and Ducan placement can be rotated amongst the 4 and I wouldn't judge you BUT the top 6 as of right now can't be replaced
Very accurate list, only thing i will change is take out wilt, mover everyone up and put steph curry at 10, reason being steph has shootings records that are extremely impressive( not as impressive as wilt) but the 2 chips from wilt compared to 4 from curry, plus unanimous mvp, best shooter ever, its close but i give steph the edge and i cant see curry knocking anyone else out from the list that isnt wilt, plus when wilt was on the floor his team only won 7 percent more(lowest on the top 10 list) currys team won 33% more when he is on the floor( highest out of all on the list, yes higher then lebron at 31% and higher than jordan at 25%) for those reason curry over wilt
Great list, they are just trying to force Steph into the top 10. 1 finals mvp out of 4 finals victories is something he’ll need to sort out moving forward. He’s in the 11-16 range imo, Hakeem deserves some love too. Hakeem was back to back champ and finals mvp as the clear leader and the undisputed best player on his team.
You know what….I think I agree with Shannon on getting Shaq out of the top 10. Makes sense to me. He had amazing potential but he didn’t keep up sadly. At his apex nobody could beat him but maaan that decline wasn’t supposed to be THAT bad😬
Yeah he’s decline was bad. Shaq got way too comfortable making all that money, eating way too much. Man physique was scary when he was in Orlando, then when he got to the lakers it all went downhill.
I'll take Shaq at his peak vs Steph at his. Shaq didn't have the longevity but during his prime he was unstoppable. His Laker teams were the last to 3-peat in large part because of him.
@@jerrybutler4460 that’s my thing. Stephs Longevity is still going Shaq made the conscious decision to not take care of himself this shortening his NBA lifespan significantly. Shaq realistically has GOAT potential but at least for me I can’t go off what you COULDVE been otherwise people like (RIP) Len Bias should be Top 10 cause people said he was essentially better than Jordan and was going to be someone to rival him potentially it’s not the same as actually having done it. Shaqs peak was scary but you only get 3-4 years of that or 8-9 maybe 10 or more of Steph? I’ll take Steph
Honestly, in any order Shaq can never ranked higher than Kobe when he proved two without him, with him leaving getting one. Plus, how Shaq got Robbed of the MVP when Miami was wade team. Everyone knows Kobe got Robbed twice and the one he got he had to finish first in team winning in both east and west. Media always been a Kobe killer
I think they peaked at different times, Kobe wasn't as good in the first three chips as he was in the last two he won, Shaq was absolutely dominant in those three chips, and obviously Wade was the man on Shaqs fourth ring, but I think they are neck and neck on the all time list and probably towards nine and ten
Iverson was a better guard that year, he carried his no name team to the finals against Kobe, he didn't have Shaq on his team, in fact he had a bunch of mediocre talent, Iverson was straight fire that year
Kobe Bryant beat more 50+ Win Teams in the Playoffs than any player in NBA HISTORY and went to 3 straight finals TWICE while winning at least 2 rings each time (only MJ has done that). 1. MJ 2. Kobe 3. Kareem 4. Magic 5. Russell 6. Duncan 7. Shaq 8. Bird 9. Lebron 10. Curry
How the non player media always puts Kobe Bryant outside the top 5 is beyond me. Most who played the game give him proper respect, especially those who played against him.
@@quintaviousanderson2897 an obvious troll, why even give him acknowledgment? His parents obviously did a terrible job raising him to have a brain wave above the level of a potato
1. MJ 2. Bron 3. Kareem 4. Magic 5. Duncan 6. Bird 7. Kobe 8. Shaq 9. Wilt 10. Steph 11. Russel 12. Hakeem 13. KD 14. Big O 15. West Would be my top 15, but honestly at this point so long as you have MJ/Bron at 1~2, Kareem/Magic/Bird/Duncan somewhere in there your list is gucchi in my book. Not everyone values the same things in a player but I believe those 6 I mentioned shouldn't be left out no matter what, currently. As for Steph, I think he earned the right to at least be in the conversation for Top 10, as in some people will put him in there, some people won't, but definitely an improvement because I don't think anyone but his most fanatic supporters put him in there before. And Skip having Bron at 9 still gives me mild stomach pain.
@@TheMplsboy The way I see it, MJ Bron and Kareem are a notch above the rest and you'd need a serious argument not to have them as your top 3, but it's a lot more lax/interchangeable and up to personal bias for the rest, so I can't get mad at putting Kobe in the top 5, it's fair enough. What your list look like man ?
I love you UNC but I got to agree with “LET ME FINISH!!” here 😂 Shaq has to be on that top 10 list. I’m sorry I’m not putting Bird ahead of Shaq. So if one got to go for me it would be Larry legend
I feel like the top 10 should’ve been cemented already I feel chef curry is top 11 at least because yes he had some help but come he is 6’3 going up against giants and it’s hard so I feel like skip bayless is right and a again when chef is on the court the rivals gotta eyes on him at all time I feel like if steph curry wins one more than lebron I ll take lebron off
Steph has accomplishments over Shaq offensively such as breaking the record for most 3s in his career. You can consistently stop Shaq offensively with fouls forcing free throws for example or late in his career due to his out of shape state he was less effective; but Curry offensively is much more difficult to consistently stop considering he can launch a 3 from half court and nail it. Shaq has the defense over curry. Something to consider too is what Shannon said curry has changed overall how basketball is looked at 3s are far more valuable younger players are becoming sharpshooters as good as having a big man is 3 points > 2 points. Curry will always be the better offensive asset but Shaq will give more defensive value; due to Currys influence on basketball overall with pure skill not being born a 7ft1 beast like Shaq that's enough to make him worth the top 10 spot over Shaq. My opinion feel free to disagree
I disagree respectfully, people can say whatever they want about Steph he is the best shooter of all time, however he didn’t change the game how people claim at least in my eyes, when Shaq started in this league there weren’t any 3-second violations offenses didn’t really “space” the floor the way modern offenses do on every set therefore big men weren’t aloud to shoot within the offense they played down low and since there weren’t any violations for being in the paint guys like Shaq Ewing Hakeem. Could defend the basket and never be forced away from the rim and same thing offenseively. The game was CATERED to a big man post style of basketball… the biggest difference is the change of rules big guys are no longer aloud to stand right under the rim therefore it’s more be focal for them to shoot and that mixed with the fact 3’s are worth more than 2s changed the league into a more shooter centric let if fly league, if you shot a 32 foot jumper in the 90s you weren’t gonna leave the bench for a couple weeks now it’s par for the course to pull up from anywhere becuase the LEAUGE and OFFENSES changed guys are now told they need to work on their jumper regardless of size and they are taught if you have a good look let it fly now I’m not trying to diminish curry this was the perfect time in history for his skill set to be highlighted and he took every bit of that advantage the greatest shooter I’ve seen but I don’t think he changed the game other then to casual fans who began rooting for the Dubs just becuase it was “trendy”
I'll put him over Shaq but I wouldn't take Shaq out I really believe Steph got a goat argument Shaq also too I would've took out Russell 8 other hof's wilt gotta be over Russell he only had Jerry west with him going against 9 hof's all together they couldn't win that team vs 2 players
I agree with Skip… honestly Shaq would’ve hurt all the big guys on that list! His Size, Weight and Power would’ve dominated Kareem, Wilt and Russell! Shaq was straight up scary! All those Big men on the list were honestly too light to control Shaquille O’Neil. 💯
My top 10 I got 1. LeBron James 2. Michael Jordan 3. Kobe Bryant 4. Magic Johnson 5. Tim Duncan 6. Bill Russell 7. Larry Bird 8. Kareem Abdul Jabbar 9. Shaquille O'Neal 10 Stephen Curry
@Beery Shaq won 3 straight finals mvps. Only other player to do that was Jordan. Shaq has double curry’s all nba appearances and more all defense teams on top of it. Better defensive and offensive player than Steph
@@saucykb4758 Kobe is the closest we got to MJ, so that makes him 2. No need to overcomplicate things. Steph is the greatest PG and the greatest shooter of all time. That alone with a 4/8 dynasty clearly puts him Top 5.
skip go look at stats, shaq was good but its actually kobe who killed spurs in 2001. he kept dunking over twin towers. If spurs was the finals, then kobe would have got the MVP imo. Next year in 2002 spurs series, shaq only averaged 21 points as well. Skip is so delusional
Yes because they won .. if wilt had won they would be hof too. Wilt had plenty of help lol jerry west is a top 20 player. What top 20 player did russell play with
@@Ratchetface yet he didnt win those 2 years... when he did have help he wasnt winning lol jerry west and gail goodrich are comparable to havlicek and cousy. Doesnt matter if he was alone or not, he was the reason his team lost almost every year
In B4 ignorant younglings begin slandering Wilt and Russell because of the era they played in. They are easily top 10 players of all time and would dominate in any era. The detractors of the 60’s need to stop spouting off nonsense.
I will say this about their lists. Shannon’s values a players career dominance as well as a players impact, as well as stats. Skips list is about accomplishments with a hint of eye test. Unless it’s Jordan, shaq or lebron which he lets his extreme bias kick in.I personally prefer Shannon’s list with 1 or 2 minor changes steph curry at 10 is not one of them though.
@@jimmyb4361 Im swapping wilt with magic and bird with TD. I feel like wilt is so disrespected for how great he was had his career started 5 years later than when he did he would be two all time and TD is essentially the big man version of Jordan one super close series loss off of also being at perfection.
Kobe was even top 10 bruh, sorry. Kobe wasn’t even the best player when he played. Early 2000s it was Shaq, mid was Tim Duncan and late 2000s was Lebron. You fanboys are in your feelings way too much and when people are not they’re called haters. I love Kobe as much as the next guy, but man wasn’t top 10, definitely 15 tho for sure
@@POKEFAN023 There’s a reason why so many NBA legends and player all rank Kobe in their top three best basketball players. For you to say Kobe was never the best basketball player in the NBA is crazy because from 2006-2010 he was better than Duncan and definitely better than Lebron.
@@kylekatjomuise6259 everyone puts Kobe up their list cause of their feelings and also because they also know that Kobe has a crazy fan base. Sure Kobe had a run where he had great games and put numbers, but nope sorry he’s just not in the top 10. If you want to put on him your list and let your personal feelings get in the way then that’s fine. But if you have any respect for the sport and think with logic then you’ll know Kobe is not top 10
I love shaq but putting shaq 3rd is absolutely crazy 1. Michael Jordan 2. Lebron 3.kareem 4.magic Johnson 5.Tim Duncan 6. Bill Russell 7.Larry Bird 8.Kobe Bryant 9. Shaq 10. Steph curry I know its blasphemous not to have wilt in the top 10 but bill won 11 championships in wilts era wilt barely won any.
Finally someone that has the same top 5 the top 5 is basically the greatest at every position 1. MJ (Greatest SG) 2. LeBron (Greatest SF) 3. Kareem (Greatest C) 4. Magic (Greatest PG) 5. Duncan (Greatest PF)
I personally don’t like trying to rank Wilt and Russell because of how long ago they played and how different the game was…but these two are heavily slighting Hakeem for the top 10
Yes I got Russell over Shaq.yes Shaq may more skill but when comes to winning idc how much skill you have Russell got it done when it counts and put the stats up while doing it playing wholes games sometimes just to win
Lebron james 1, Bill russell 2 , Michael jordan 3, Kareem abdul-jabbar4 , Magic Johnson 5, kobe bryant 6, Wilt Chamberlain 7, Larry bird 8, Tim Duncan 9, and Steph curry 10
I’m with Steph going on the list but taking Wilt out??? U are insane! who else scored 100pts tell me.. wilt career average is inhuman. I feel like top 10 can no longer be top 10. It has far out grown it’s capacity of 10 with more legends and HOF players leveling up every season. Just wait til Steph gets the 5th.
@@214-v4g thank you. Been saying this for years. I think lakers missed playoffs and finished 7th seed or something. Mvp usually goes to team with one of the best records. If he researches a bit, he will see 1 is valid
I like Shannon’s list more, I’d just flip his 1 and 2. And as athletic as Shaq was, Wilt was even more of a freak. Wilt‘s accolades were absurd, his 100 m dash, his high jump, his bench press…unheard of for someone of his frame.
1.Jordan 2.Kareem 3.Kobe 4.Lebron 5.Magic 6.Bird 7.Shaq 8.Bill 9.Wilt 10.Duncan It’s not just all about stats. If it was Lebron would be number 1. Kobe would have more regular season MVP’s if it wasn’t for the case but I find it funny that nobody cares for the regular season until we’re talking about the quote on quote goat conversation. The regular season MVP narrative is only pushed to make Lebron sound greater than Kobe but it wasn’t until Kobe retired that it was Lebron said he was the best in the league. How many all time defensive teams has Kobe made again when you compare him to Lebron??? Look at the full body of work and not just the offensive.
Facts. Ppl always dismiss Kobe cuz he was so great. They hate because nobody could emulate mj like Kobe and if mj the goat then how come Kobe not top 5 when he's 1 ring short of 6. They just haters
@@reppintime3890 bos and magic beat lechock's 60+ win teams in the playoff while kobe beat them in the finals without any top 75 player on his team. lechock had to team hop to avoid rebuilds and 09 and 10 reg season mvp should have been kobe's not lechock. lechock can't even make the playoffs in the west lmao if anything MJ Magic Kobe Kareem Tim Shaq. they are all better. you can't build team around lechock because he will team hop before they develop lmao
Ideally most like to have it as top 5 with positions in mind, dominance etc. With Shaq being the better player and finals mvp 3x, that hurts Kobe's ranking, and on top of that, he's not the best SG ever.
@@Chr1ShawnKPD Kobe carried Shaq several times throughout that time. He gets worst schtick for the lack of FMVP than Curry has ever got and he arguably deserved to have 3 fMVP because imo he was the best player in the NJ Nets Finals Series.
Shannon’s argument about Shaq, is my point about LeBorin James, he was up against McGrady, billups, Anthony, Yao,dirk, Kidd, pierce, wade, rose, Duncan, Kobe, James is literally the bigger than Tim Duncan body wise, and the media makes him bigger in all time list which I disagree.
Nah bump out bill Russell and Shaq should be top 5. Also skip trolling LeBron at 9 is just hating theirs no way he should be anything less than top 3-5 in anyones list.
Yeah... Shannon list is laughable but also skips. I really hate lebron but I have him top 3 behind Kareem. Shaqs top 10 for sure. My fav is Kobe but I have him at 6 or 7 with Duncan.
Skip Bayless having Lebron at number 9 is everything you need to know about that list. I literally LMAO when I seen that. Now his commentary makes sense to me when I understand how he sees him amongst the all time greats.
Bill Russell shouldn't be top 10, and Wilt should be like #10. Wilt COULD HAVE been the greatest basketball player EVER, but he was the Russell Westbrook of his time. He was a stat padder who put personal accomplishment above winning. personally I think Jordan - Lebron - Kareem - Magic - Shaq - Kobe - Bird - Duncan - Wilt - Steph makes way more sense than either shannon or skip's list.
@@saradaharunoofthesharingan3564 not really. Kobe was good but only managed 2 FMVP and 1 MVP. If he was higher he should have more. His finals record of 5-2 is good but he had PRIME Shaq to carry the load. He’s placed right. I love Kobe, but be realistic.
@@deathstrokear1483 "Kobe was good" lol Kobe was nothing short of amazing and legendary if we're being "realistic" that is. Funny how you say he had Prime Shaq to carry the load yet Prime Shaq needed young Kobe to carry the load when hack a Shaq came into play. Funny how Shaq never won before Kobe arrived and he only won one ring without Kobe.(which Wade won FMVP). Funny how Kobe has more rings than Shaq and went to 3 finals without Shaq and won 2 of them without him. Lebron being at #9 is placed right if we're being realistic. Afterall let's not forget he has more finals losses than wins(4-6) and has played with the most superstars/all stars than anyone.
@@saradaharunoofthesharingan3564 player skill.. kobe is top 3 . career wise? kobe is 5-10 player.. 1 MVP 2 FMVP had 3 rings with the most dominant player of all time in 8 years (3 in 8 years just to remind you) he has the mentality of a winner/ a champion but his career wasnt better than any 5 players... Kobe's career went down after his injury. he couldnt even make playoffs... they even got swept against the spurs with howard and nash as his teammates.. (1st round) Kobe is among the greatests.. hes among the best winners and champions.
Classic Skip. 2004 was not The Biggest Upset in NBA history. One of the best defensive teams of all time (regularly kept teams to 70 points or less) went up against a beefing Shaq and Kobe, true, but the rest of the team was a bunch of ring chasers who weren't even healthy enough to play. And Ben Wallace was one of the few players who could keep Shaq around 25 points instead of 35.
I can’t put Shaq in my top 10 simply because i watched how he got regularly destroyed by Hakeem..and he could win anything until DRob and Hakeem and Pat Ewing got old and hobbled. Bonus fact: he used to get destroyed by Rik Smits and Big Country Reeves. That puts him top 15 at best.
@@irnotu9993 Rik Smits barely played in the finals due to a foot injury, which is why he retired right after that finals. You’d know that if you actually watched. Lol nice try tho
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Jordan or LeBron in their prime? Case closed! MJ’s the GOAT.
Top 10 of the Modern Era (creation of 3pt shot, expansion of teams) 1979-Current
Jordan
Lebron
Kareem
Magic
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Curry
Bird
Hakeem
MICHAEL JORDAN NUMBER 1 KOBE NUMBER 2 FACTS
@@Orlando1106 is still
Everyone knows Steve Nash robbed Kobe back to back.. Shaq was in Miami playing backup behind Wade. Stop lying on national TV. But Shaq got Robbed and Kobe was what# Westbrook MVP
Shannon’s face when Skip said he had Shaq at 3rd 😭
I felt the same frfr
he had him at 2 a couple of years ago
😂 I love skip hilarious way of saying things
I think its safe to say now, the coast is clear.... I think.
Skip may have touched on this previously. Many people don't realise how bad of a player Kobe was as no 8. Meaning one dimensional, little to no defensive effort, immature court vision, non existent passing and NO intangibles. Shaq was a phenom, but Shaq also outweighed his opponent by 60+ pounds. As good as he was. Shannon sees the game only on face value without realising the depths of the game and what really wins games and championships. Like when Skip says that Giniobili was a generational innovator that Kobe learned from. Real 5 on 5 basketball. Not dribble/dribble.......... fade away- drive to the net(oh he fouled me) type of play. Kobe I am sure was a Manchurian candidate in this regard. You see his play(awful) as no 8 and you must think a high scorer on a three peat team is the best guard ever. Yet, Skip may order me to do 8 count push ups if I said this. I don't think Jordan was the goat either because he played in an era where this evolved play was less frequent.
Before Manu, how many players utilised the hammer pass for instance. Or elite passing at all? Manu wasn't the best passer ever, but he was an OG in this regard because the game evolved from that style. A style that LeBron even had to learn and has become quite adept at. Scoring is scoring, but it is that it is one aspect of the game. A great scorer is a play finisher, not a playmaker per say.
Shaq last to 3peat, his average in the NBA finals during the 3peat: 38.0, 33.0 and then his third 36.3. Shaq in his day absolutely unstoppable, commands a doubleteam every posession, and a lot of opposite defenders are in foul trouble. Shaq killed Tim Duncan on multiple occasions, and Duncan is a top6 player in my books. Curry is top ten player, but Shaq is not the guy you bump out.
Finally someone with SENSE. Shaq is undisputed Top 5 and he isn’t 5
No one wants to say it but tbh the guy who should get bumped is Bird. His injuries ruined his longevity which has to come into play in the all-time lists and between him and Magic I have Magic still there.
@@logandraper6271 Bird’s prime was enough to keep him on the list. 3 straight MVPs, for those years it was undisputed who the best player in the world was
@@logandraper6271 If anyons bumped its between Bird and Wilt. Wilt only has 2 chips and 4 mvps and Bird has 3 chips and 3 mvps, so it's between those two. And id personally take off Wilt before Bird cause of time Bird played in. Wilt dominated cause of his size and height but Bill was 3 inches shorter playing the same position with more rings obviously and mvps. So it really should be Wilt.
Brah Wilt Chamberlain caused the mt.everest shift in the 🏀 world. Rules change x5 to limit his dominance. He didnt dominate based off his size. He limited based on his size. He couldn't bulldoze like Shaq or Lebron. It was a charge back then. Dude athleticism is greatest prolly ever.
Bill Russell/Wilt won the same mvps when both of them were in the league. Wilt owns the record book for Playoffs and regular season. Let not even get into who Did Shaq play in the finals when he won. Washed up players who were bums. Teams was bums. Refs handed them titles.
Wilt Chamberlain is top 2
With Michael. The 🏀 world goes out of it way to suppress the real GOAT. In Wilt. The debate in the 90s and 80s was who the GOAT. WILT OR JORDAN. Even those two among all of thr players argued about it. Everyone else was bystanders
Skip casually says Steph “underperformed in games 3, 4, 5, 6” when he played a 47 8 7 gem of a game 3 and a great game 5 where he forced a game 6
A game 6 were he played like absolute trash
Because Klay went down. It was his game. Obviously Steph had nothing left after that catastrophe.
@@beastmry injuries part of the game
If a 47 8 7 game is underperforming for a player with more than 1 mvp they’re UNARGUABLY top 10 😂
@@beastmry he had like 14 points before klay went down
anytime skip talks about steph they should just cut his mic
Lmao 🤣 Fr though
stephs garabge
@@TheTonytone77 nice english
Bruh Shannon’s face at 3:26 killed me 😂😂😂
😂 🤣
😂😂😂😂
😭😭😭😭 Skip hit him with some nonsense
@@buddyjaydubb you mean knowledge 😆
Shannon sharpe just stupid
Instead of attacking who is and isn't top 10, we need to increase the value and emphasize the importance of the top 15 or 20, the difference between 4-15 is often where the debate lies because the passage of time will add more and more great players of comparable success and talent. Everyone top 10 order is different but 90% of everyone's top 15 have the same players which is actually where the value lies.
There's ZERO consensus on 1 - 4.
ACTUAL players don't rate Lebron as highly as fans do.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 and who are the many players who have backed up your claim?
You're completely right. It's so subjective between 4-15. Do you value longevity? Higher peak? Do you value defense and rebounding? Or the ability to make teammates better? The ability to orchestrate an offense? Do you value athleticism or sheer physical dominance? The ability to switch 1-5? Do you value having the clutch gene? Accolades? There are so many factors, it comes down to personal preference.
I personally don't have Curry top 10. 3 of his 4 rings were easy and heavily favored to win, and he also didn't peak until around age 26 so he doesn't have a crazy long peak compared to a lot of other players. He's also lacking athleticism and strength so he can't defend or dunk at an elite level. There is nothing wrong with saying Curry is top 12-14 and still going, that's still an unbelievable feat but ppl act like it's slandering him. He made it to top 15 while being serviceable on defense at best and peaking late, which just goes to show great his offense is. You're right that most ppl have the same top 15 and it's like splitting hairs trying to make a top 10. A lot of ppl underrate Oscar, Hakeem, Russell, Jerry West (30ppg player with elite defense), even KD could be argued considering he was superstar by age 19 so he has longevity on his side.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 LeBron has a rep not easy to work with. However, LeBron can pretty much win with any very good team.
Thats why Im beginning to hate Mount Rushmores because it becomes a discussion of Who are you leaving off of it
My Picks..
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Bill Russell
6. Magic Johnson
7. Larry Bird
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Shaquille O’Neal
12. Stephen Curry
Just list is pretty accurate 👌
List solid asf
Shaq and steph should be in the 10
Excellent list
Bruhh how you got Bill at 5?💀💀💀
Unc too funny “Now run tell that, you see that list, look list right there” 😂.. He makes tha show better frfr, whether it’s a serious segment/topic or a comical one, Unc always got that edge.
that's a fact
@@mybrotha8144 RIGHT? Unc too much fr lol.. Thanks Unc, a much needed laugh!! @mybrotha81 have a great day, God Bless 🙏🏽
I disagree a lot with both of their lists. As for Shannon, I didn’t rl hear an argument as to why he had Steph over shaq, he jus said shaq underachieved. And skip having Bron at 9…
Agreed. Shaq shouldn't be punished for underachieving. His resume is great. 3 fmvps, 1 mvp, scoring title. 8th all time in blocks. Top 10 in scoring and per. He should be a mainstay.
Shaq got sweep ALOT with penny hardway explain to me how is that possible?
@@Hi-vh5oj and Curry choked a 3-1 lead, Choked in 2018 what’s your point?
Thank God he rode on kobe and d wayde
@@somregularguy and Lebron chocked against Dirk when he had bosh and wade Ur Point?
Shaq at 3? LeBron at 9?….Skips list makes me have a near heart attack every time he reads it.
Shaq at 3 is too much but lebron at 5 is a good spot behind mj and Kobe. 6 final losses eliminate him from top 3
@@Jeazzy24 Kobe ahead of lebron is a insult to common sense. The only reason he has so many finals elimination is that he can carry trash teams to the finals unlike Kobe or Jordan.
@@DestroyerOff trash teams. Lebron has played with more Hof and all stars then anyone. Get out the comment section with the nonsense cuz u don't like facts. 6 Ls eliminate u from top 3 PERIOD
@@Jeazzy24 bruh kobe wasn’t even the best performer on his team 😂😂😂dude had shaq
@@gerry9773 yet Kobe got more rings 😂😂😂😂 make it make sense. How many rings Shaq had before he got Kobe. Don't worry I'll wait 😂😂😂😂😂
Kobe at 9 is crazy, no bias
@Trendy way Because of those **** allegations lol
@Trendy way Idc if he only had 1 mvp, Guy has 15 all nba selections, 9 of em being first team, and was also 9 times first team all defense, 12 selections. He above bird and Duncan.
@Trendy way nah it had everything to do with that case and everyone knows Nash didnt deserve those. Kobe and Shaq should've got 1 each of those. This is also why you can't go by stats alone to know who was actually nice like that on the court. One of those seasons Kobe avg like 35 a game and had an insane run of like a month plus of scoring 60 and 50 every damn game! Insane numbers that Nash didnt even come close to.
@@ilyasaden2900 he's definitely above bird but Duncan? Nah
@Trendy way Why you talking to me about curry, I said kobe over duncan my guy.
there’s a lot of bias on who they’d have in there top 10, but shannon gave a clear and real explanation as to why his list is the way it is, i respect his decisions in putting players in the spots he did even if i don’t 100% agree with them
Exactly like Shannon’s top 10 was more understandable than Skips 💯
true but shaq not bein top 10 is still insane
@@kiddtiko yea but skip had em 3rd based on 4 years😂😂😂.
I agree with both of them. Shaq is fosho higher than 10 just not quite 3 and like Shannon said, Lebron is 3 at worst. Its always interesting to see where people put Wilt and Russell. Plus personally, if Curry wins another championship he goes from 11 to 7 on my list. If he wins two more it really starts to get interesting. And I think he’ll play another 6-8 years and the Warriors have a smart front office, definitely possible.
So are you judging by the amount of championships players have,well if so Bill is number 1.Everyone has their own list so its all about opinions.I would say Wilt is most underrated and so is Dr.J and Karl Malone
@@glenroybrathwaite1531 Rings have like 50% influence in rankings. So Steph's ranking will always rise every time he wins a championship. But rings arent everything that's why no one thinks Robert horry was one of the greatest. Also Bill Russel's championships should be valued less since it was in an 8 team league.
I'd say Hakeem is top 10. His back to back chips with a lackluster supporting cast is too underrated
I love the dream but we all know that if Michael wasn't forced into retirement Houston would have gotten denied
1995 Rockets had Drexler, who was 2nd in MVP voting in 1992
@@Stevenirons lol then he would never have won 8 straight. I can guarantee you that
@@Stevenirons that's not something completely certain. Besides if you quit/retire than that's on you.
@@vincetaliaferro2777 he didn't quite or retire he was forced out because of his gambling problem
We're in that dreaded time of year when the first block of the show for the next two months are going to be some version of Jordan versus Lebron. Where we hear the same stories and arguments over who is better.
Yea because headasses like Shannon putting Bron over the GOAT
Can we keep it real here? As a Lakers fan during the Kobe-Shaq run, and as someone who had to sit through the loss in 2004, I am 100% with Shannon about Shaq. Was Shaq all-time TALENTED? Of course! We haven't seen anybody like him since Wilt, and they dominated in different ways. But let's not forget, Shaq was a massive liability at the free throw line. They even named a strategy after him, "hack-a-Shaq". You COULD NOT HAVE HIM ON THE FLOOR IN THE 4TH QUARTER OF CLOSE GAMES IF YOU WANTED TO WIN. Come on, do we say that about Curry? We can argue defense all day but it's clear (to me at least) that Steph has become a credible enough defender so that teams can't blatantly exploit him on that end of the floor like they exploited Shaq's weakness. Steph is still a bad individual defender but you have to worry about him in the passing lanes and he picks people's pocket on a regular basis (highest steals average per game in the 2022 Finals).
On top of that, Shannon's absolutely right. Shaq's ability fell off a cliff after he left the Lakers. Shaq did NOT have Kobe's work ethic and was famously quoted saying stupid (for a pro athlete) things like "I got hurt on company time, I'll get better on company time." OK, maybe if you want to be mediocre this makes sense, but if you want to be AMONG THE BEST IN THE WORLD this isn't quite a killer mentality. And yeah, we can argue they should have given the regular season MVP to Shaq instead of Steve Nash, but we also argue that Steph should have gotten the Finals MVP the year Iggy won it.
Overall, I think Steph has had a bigger impact on the game, was the first unanimous regular season MVP, and has shown he can win without a top tier superstar next to him. Shaq never won anything without Kobe or D Wade, both all-time great shooting guards. And Steph did this not ONCE, but TWICE without KD. So let's not pretend it's all about Shaq being bad or anything like that. No, Shaq is an all-time great player. But like Shannon said, it gets ticky-tacky as time goes on for a top 10 because there are always going to be new great players in the game, and therefore it gets more and more crowded on these all-time lists when it comes to making a case for different players. But I think Curry over Shaq isn't that hard. Yes, they couldn't stop Shaq in his era, but can anybody stop Curry in this one? In Game 6 of the Finals, wasn't Steph stepping on the logo draining 3's to close out the series? To my eyes, the only one that stops Steph on any given night is Steph (because he's cold shooting). And oh right, to stop Shaq all we have to do is foul him.
Shaq is the youngest player ever to make NBA top 50 greatest players that saying alot about Shaq how great he really was Kobe even said out his own mouth that Shaq was the most dominant player he's ever seen and played with facts
You said you were a lakers fan during their run but you say all you have to do to stop Shaq is to foul him? Obviously you weren’t really a fan if thats what you really think….
@@vinnyl264 I'm being facetious to some degree, but obviously I mean "stop him in the 4th quarter". You can't keep Shaq on the floor late in games because he's going to be fouled repeatedly and the other team will just keep taking free throws.
OBVIOUSLY Shaq is one of the all-time greats, a force of nature, and nobody could keep Shaq from going where he wanted to go on the court, including the rim. (Well, a couple of guys gave Shaq some trouble, like Yao Ming for example)
@@Qichar it’s become more and more obvious you never watched the lakers lol. They were never pulling Shaq in the 4th quarter of big time games… especially on the lakers. If you didn’t watch, just say it.
@Qichar you should have this comment published as a book. It's certainly long enough. And it's accurate. Some of the things you mentioned I had totally forgotten about. Shaq was a monster but it didn't last long enough for him to be top 10 all time. Shannons argument is well thought out while skip is using shock value. The debate is not even close.
The arguments Shannon is saying for Kareem and Wilt over Shaq is the same for Jordan over Lebronm more MVPs, Finals MVPs, scoring titles, steals titles, memorable moments, etc. Lebron only has MJ in longevity stats like Mailman.
I’ve read every 1 of ur comments and all of them are spot on. At this point skip is just a biased current superstar hater he doesn’t like players who are still in the league being in the top 10
Shannon really the only 1 who makes sense on this show
Not when it comes to his Brady hate or Jordan hate
James has more RPG, more APG, more BPG, higher 3P%, etc
@@SagaTheFunniest You mean you read him spamming for likes?
Give Kobe some damn respect
Top 5. He’s better than magic, bird and Duncan.
@@thegreat195kobe is not better then Tim Duncan or Bird
@@tayshaunmoney4621 he is absolutely better than both of them.
@@thegreat195 no he's not not all time
yes he is. Kobe used to destroy Duncan in the playoffs.@@tayshaunmoney4621
And here's what I'm thinking: what's skip gonna say if Steph gets number 5? If Steph has 5, with the MVPs, the scoring titles, all that, I mean, there's gonna be talks that he'll surpass Magic. Then what?
Also, you watch Steph Curry live, and let me tell you, Steph hits threes that make you feel just as helpless as shaq's physicality. I saw a game in Oracle against the sixers where Steph had 45, and deadass, he would hit a three over a double team, and both the guys guarding him would turn to their coach FURIOUS. Like, "what are we supposed to do with this? How could we possibly stop THAT?" I mean, c'mon, this is ridiculous. Steph literally just destroyed the Celtics! And he destroyed the Mavericks before that! I mean, heck, he swept the blazers in 2019 WITHOUT Kevin Durant!
Steph still get no love. They just turn a blind eye to greatness
And he managed to drop 3:1 lead while playing in the team that went 73:9 in RS.
KD joined a team that was already gonna win the finals facts
@@IceMicko my god that was in 2016 the man just redeemed himself this year proving he could be the lead guy and you’re still bringing this up. Every great player besides Jordan has had a disappointing finals performance but the great ones always bounce back and that’s what Steph did, give him some credit.
@@bjrowland25 MJ never hat that bad performance in 3 consecutive games at all, let alone 3 consecutive games in finals
I get why Shannon puts Lebron at #1. That's his guy, but bumping Shaq out of the top 10 is blasphemous
Who are you taking out of Shannon's top 10?
I would take Larry bird out for shaq
@@MrDetectiveCraig what….
@@MrDetectiveCraig the disrespect continues smh
He need to take Kobe off. I love Kobe but man is top 15 at best. Kobe wasn’t even the best when he played. In the early 2000s it was Shaq, mid 2000s it was Tim Duncan, and late 2000 it was a Lebron James. Ima get hate for this but it’s true
Every all-time great has always had other great players with them. To win rings you have to have some serious talent on the roster. Jordan had Rodman/Pippen, Lebron had Wade/Kyrie/Davis, Shaq had Kobe, Kobe had Shaq/Gasol, Curry had Klay/Green/KD. Everyone has talent with them, but the only difference now is that players have way more of a say in team building.
The problem is the ever-shifting criteria. If its rings, its Russell not Jordan.
No one ever said it was rings. It’s a balance of everything and Jordan had the best balance.
Those are the only star players LeBron had? 😂😂😂
@@lordaizen2192 just about unless you trying to mention Bosh. I dont consider Kevin Love a real star tbh
This is the worst team curry has ever been on talent based tho. Klay wasn’t even on the team for most of the year injured. But they fit together so they worked
@@elijahsimms2992 I feel like this was the year where the future was on display while Curry still lead the team.
Shannon: "You a hater."
Lmaoooo the way he just stops trying to reason with Skip has me rolling.
That’s what I’ve been trying to tell people Shannon sharpe is crazy
Shaq stats
92- 23.4pts 13.9 rbs
93- 29.3pts 13.2 rbs
94- 29.3pts 11.4 rbs
95- 26.6pts 11.0 rbs
96- 26.2pts 12.5 rbs
97- 28.3pts 11.4 rbs
Those are his 1st 6yrs
Shaq came into the league top 5
If he played in todays game you can add 12 more points for every year
Hakeem still gave him them buckets
But he folded against the rockets when Jordan left
@@HolyRan187 12?? Nah he cant shoot and he would be put in pick n rolls all game on defense and hed have to guard on the perimeter with he wouldnt be geat at! Mayb his first 5 years hed be good but not them LA years
Shaq was rookie of the year, 7th, not top 5 in mvp voting and dint even make All NBA 3rd team, made 3rd team his second year..
Tim Duncan was rookie of the year, top in 5 mvp voting, top 5 all defense voting and All NBA first team since he was a rookie. There are levels to this... I know Shaq was a beast, but he was only all defense 3 times compared to Duncans 15x... If anything Shaq underperformed based on his size and physical ability. Shaq is still in my top 10 though...
My top 10
1 MJ
2 Lebron
3 Kareem
4 Wilt
5 Magic
6 Kobe
7 Curry
8 Russell
9 Duncan
10 Bird
Nah...Duncan higher. He would have 6 is ray didn't make a prayer. Bill Russell is out...only avg 16 and played with all Allstars with only 8 league team.
My top 10
1 MJ
2 Lebron
3 Kareem
4 Duncan
5 Kobe
6 Bird
7 Curry
8 Magic
9 Russell
10 Shaq
Timmy gotta be higher then Kobe and Curry fs
Horrible list😂
U have wilt over magic kobe curry shaq duncan lmao
Looking back I find it kinda ironic how the best 1-2 combo are really maybe the only 2 you have to choose from to take out of the top 10.
Lebron at #9 is incomprehensible. There's no way he's anything but top 2-3.
has that Peyton Manning syndrome
He has 2 chip
He is more like between 3 and 6
#4 for me
2nd
Let's get top 25 from now on. Its too many great players.
Shaq is the greatest football player/tank the NBA has ever seen. Basketball player to me means elite skills in passing, shooting, dribbling, movement without the ball, court vision, leadership to make others better and determination to get the W. Steph took his pound for pound greatness and surpassed the heavyweights. Did what Iverson couldn't and won 4 rings while changing the game. Steph belongs in the top 10. Some may need time and distance to see his greatness, but we are witnessing it first hand and close up. Period.
Did Iverson have KD, Iggy and Klay?
Really interesting take on Shaq by Shannon. But it's funny how Steph not only changed the game, he's changing the requirements to be in the Top 10.
Funny how steph hasnt actually done any of those things
No hes not.. meat licker
@@deangeloj4349 you dont think he changed the game? just say you dont know ball
@@aaronuthayakumar1967 preach, I’m the biggest curry fan and putting magic ahead of him although I wouldn’t, it’s a respectable take but saying curry didn’t change the game it’s just hate for no reason.
3:26 Shannon's face 😭😭
2 small mistakes by Shannon- Steph is 34, not 32 and Curry is II not Jr
Wait. There’s a difference between the ll and a Jr.?
@@kev792 yep, Gary Payton II is on the warriors whereas Gary Payton jr isn’t
@@hr5935 feel good schooling dummies huh ?
@@kev792 it means exactly the same thing, exactly. It's a matter of preference
Jr means the second .
When Shannon is talking about Kobe only having one MVP everybody knows that he got robbed for about two other ones because of what happened in colorado! Let's be clear one of Steve Nash's MVPs belongs to Kobe and one of Steve Nash's MVP's belongs to Shaq
Cry more. Should of would of. Nash was clearly more valuable to his team than Shaq and Kobe.
@@RKO859You need to share whatever you're smoking with everyone else. Nash had no business winning either of those two MVPs. Most NBA historians even say it was a fallacy for Nash to win those two.
@@RKO859 cry more lebron has 6 finals losses. 😂💀
@@RKO859 🤡
@@RKO859 there is no way you can be more valuable if you weren't the better player that year. By a mile. For instance you can legitimately make a case that Michael Jordan should have won MVP every year in Chicago with the exception of his second year. When he broke his damn foot. Another example... Joel embiid was clearly the MVP of the League this past year and Nikola jokic got it. The years that they gave a 16 point average player the MVP was clearly a popularity contest. The year that Shaq won MVP everybody knows that he should have been the unanimous MVP and one reporter just didn't like Shaq.
Shannon’s list most resembles mine and makes most sense to me. Skip with having LeBron in 9th is OUTRAGEOUS! This man is on his way to having the most points ever in NBA history and he’s got him 9 and Shaq 3rd? Skip, stop this!
Going off of shannon's logic, jordan should be 1. He has more awards
Lol got ‘em. These bronsexuals don’t know what to say anymore. Remember when LeBron only had 2 rings and they were saying “if Lebron James wins one more ring then he’s already better then Jordan” 5 mins later…rings don’t matter, it’s a team achievement lmao
@@ramonfernandez9902 keep crying lmao
@@POKEFAN023 what’s your top 10
@@POKEFAN023 your a causal Lebron carry bums and broken/olds people
@@LYDD. my list
MJ
Lebron
Kareem
Magic
Kobe
Russell
Wilt
Bird
Duncan
Steph
Shaq got bump off my list
This is one of the only sports talk shows I still watch. Love these two.
They are horrendous. Kobe Bryant #10 and Shaq not even top 10? What a joke!
@@nighthawk9915 it’s accurate tbh
@@virokami5469 guess that 3peat they had means nothing
Really hard for me to compare Steph to Hakeem/Shaq, just totally different positions and players
Ain’t no way curry is better than either💀💀
@@leultrainstinct406 better ball handler, better shooter, better passer. Steph just wasnt born as a 7ft and 280lbs player, if that what you means "better", then yeah.
@@tigera6 don’t respond he’s always everywhere in the comments hating on curry as soon as they lose a regular seasson game starts spammming and then when they win he stays quite
@@cursin he’s been doing this for awhile now huhh still doing it these playoffs 🤣🤣
@@willjohnwick6911he a Steph hater
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. LeBron
4. Kobe
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Shaq
8. Wilt
9. Bill Russell
10. Curry
I don’t have a problem with Kareem above LeBron. I like your top 3.
I respect this list
Yo list trash. Kobe and Tim Duncan not in no top 5 stop it
@@TheCliqueAMIL my list is pretty accurate. Who would you replace for both of them? I’m curious on your take 🤨
Bird over Shaq
Who wants to bet in this segment skip will say "It's unlike anything I've seen before"
This one of them segments we’ll be seeing in our recommendations for years to come
Steph knocking Shaq out the top 10 is ridiculous. 3 FMVPS and 4 Rings, most dominant big man ever.
Facts
Wilt Chamberlain was the most dominant big man ever, the numbers tell you that. Shaq was great, but not as dominant as Wilt.
@@jlv3x Wilt did this in an era where he had no equal though. But one could say the same during his dominant run in the early 2000s
@@jlv3x The higher wilt scored the worse his team performed the less shot volume he had the more team success he had that should say enough
If he was a dominant player, how come he had to go team to teams to join good players to get him JUST four rings. If he was that a dominant player then he should have at least ten rings lmao
Lbj at 9th is crazy 🤣
He is nr 1
bron bron ditched his own city to pair up with a league top 3 NBA finals MVP to finally get his ring. This cowardly move alone excludes him from being on mt. rushmore. An opportunist should never be celebrated, it's bad for the sport
Steph is 34, not 32 - that's a big difference in terms of what he might accomplish in the future.
Huge fan of Shannon but sometimes I’m embarrassed for him when it comes to his Lebron bias. 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
FACTS 💯 Bro
💯💯💯💯
Bro he’s just a fan of him lol.
Better to have Lebron at 1 than at 9
Lebron at 1 isn’t crazy he has a legit case he’s at 2 for me but 9 is even crazier
If anything Curry should replace Bird on that list, but also be at #10. How do you leave out Shaq from the top 10 Shannon? Wtf 😑
Wilt
Regular season player
Are you dumb? Bird was an alpha dog. Curry is a wimp compared to Larry. Larry is curry if he had a killer mentality
Bird is not coming out anytime soon. The 9-season stretch he was healthy was better than the careers of 99.9999% of players including Hall of Famers.
Best starting five ever, would never lose
Steph
Mj
Kd
Duncan
Hakeem
Imagine steph getting picked up at half court leaving KD and MJ to roam free
KD over Bron? This sounds emotional…
@Jajajaja Jajajaja Then won 3 NBA championships and won finals MVP
Say you just started watching the NBA without saying it 😂
@@quiara25 ye I feel like even if they got an all time great pg in Steph they need another great playmaker. Undoubtedly MJ is a decent passer but I don't wanna leave it up to chance. LeBron's gravity gon be better than KD
I have him top 5 center all time. I just think the way those 5 would play together would be unbeatable, not necessarily who's better then the other but how team ball would be played.
Shaq was dominant player for 10 years, from 1993 to 2003 he was a superstar
Shannon was a workout warrior. The fact that Shaq was the most physically dominant player ever and was as great as he was considering his poor work ethic (relative to other nba legends) bothers him.
Edit: now that I think about it, if we’re penalizing players for not maximizing their careers, logically we have to give players who did maximize their careers more credit. So is Steve Nash now a borderline top 10 player because he was a massive overachiever?
surely that should make his goat argument stronger because unlike everyone else on that list, he was no where near his potential greatness. prime universe shaq would be undisputed 10 ring winner
@@karaokekingskingdom I think it hurts it cause you think "what could've been" instead of what actually happened. Looking back and being like "Shaq could've done more" makes me feel less about him
It should bother everyone. It’s heart breaking that everyone saw that him and Kobe if they both were at their physical peaks could’ve and should’ve won double MJ’s ring count. No one expected Shaq to be as obsessively dedicated to training as Kobe (because no one was and ever will be that obsessed. Not even Jordan) but if he cared a bit more about his training, his breakup with the lakers might’ve never happened.
@@vinnythewebsurfer I guarantee you no matter how great Shaq took care of himself, they wouldn’t “double MJs ring count” with Shaq being in his late 20s by the time they 3 peated.
That logic doesn’t actually track. Something being true doesn’t the reverse of it is also true. That’s a logical fallacy.
For example, “you can’t be a good NBA player without natural talent,” using your thought process every player who has natural talent should be a good NBA player.
I also wouldn’t call Steve Nash an overachiever. He was just really smart. He wasn’t the most skilled and it wasn’t about his talent. He was good at running an offense because of how he studied the game.
At the end of the day no matter who gets moved out the top 10 someone is getting disrespected. That’s why it’s hard to do these list.
It's only disrespectufl because Curry doesn't feel like a top 10 player for many people. We WANT him to be there. But he only has 4 all nba first teams. Only 2 MVPs and only 1 finals MVP. Mediocre career stats and poor defense. Putting him in the top 10 just feels unright unless he changes that.
@@x-man9473 cap
@@jcupgif You clearly don't even know what the definition of cap is. lol
Shannon’s list is pretty fair imo. Only thing i’d change is swapping MJ and Lebron for 1 and 2 and Bill and Wilt for 5 and 8.
Yeah... about right
I agree tho you but I don’t think wilt top 10 he not a good finals performer
And move up Steph to 9 and Kobe to 10.
Prime Hakeem Olajuwon gets no respect.
@@marcuscarpenter7230 I mean; in the Finals had a 4-point game, 2 5-point games; 2 8-point games; 3 12-point games and 2 13-point games. Imagine if there was First Take; Undisputed or even First things First back then and he just scored 5 in the Finals. 😂😂
If Kobe was still here, Shannon would of taken Kobe out the top 10 instead of Shaq for Steph & said more Kobe slander...
Most LeBron fans/ Bronsexuals (not all but most) rank Kobe as low as possible or not on the list at all to make LeBron look good smh
They insecure cause deep down they know Kobe better than Lebron.
@@MrGenexxx nah i think most lebron fans don’t really care about kobe it’s lebron vs mj kobe is mj but inefficient kobe is not top 5 meanwhile lebron is either 1st or 2nd the advanced stats show it mj is first in almost everything and lebron is right behind and the margin is not that much meanwhile kobe is way down the list
Bro I don’t understand the logic, for me Mj is #1 and Kobe is the closest thing to him so that’ll make him #2 all time that’s how my list start they wanna award Lebron for all them finals trip but don’t bring up jerry west with the same argument every one who I have before bron won more with less and in less time
Bruh the media leapfrogged Lebron over kobe to boost the mj debate when in fact he ain’t past kobe yet all time
@@raymondvankenie3106 he pass Kobe coming back 3-1 against a 73 win team you causal ,Kobe had a dominant Shaq in his prime on his team Lebron carry bums /old people yall looking like haters
One of the greatest segments ever😭😭
Steph being in the top 10 is a matter of opinion. Top 12-15 definitely.
Bruh the league had to change the way the entire nba is played AND changed 3 point foul rules mainly bc of him. Stack that with all his awards/his leadership and he’s top 10 easily
Might get a lot of Heat for this list but.......
1. Jordan ( 6 chips, 6 fmvps, 5 mvps )
2. Lebron ( 4 mvps, 4 fmvps, 2013 season )
3. Kareem ( skyhook unstoppable )
4. Bill Russell ( 11 chips, defensive king )
5. Magic ( greatest player of the 80s )
6. Wilt ( records will never EVER be broken )
7. Bird ( 3 straight mvps, also 3 chips )
8. Shaq ( 3 straight chips and 3 finals mvps )
9. Kobe ( 5 chips, killer will, hardest worker )
10. Duncan ( 5 chips, 3 mvps, 3 finals mvps )
Nothing against Steph, he changed the game and is the 2nd greatest point guard of all time.
Kobe Shaq Bird and Ducan placement can be rotated amongst the 4 and I wouldn't judge you BUT the top 6 as of right now can't be replaced
Good list, brother.
Very accurate list, only thing i will change is take out wilt, mover everyone up and put steph curry at 10, reason being steph has shootings records that are extremely impressive( not as impressive as wilt) but the 2 chips from wilt compared to 4 from curry, plus unanimous mvp, best shooter ever, its close but i give steph the edge and i cant see curry knocking anyone else out from the list that isnt wilt, plus when wilt was on the floor his team only won 7 percent more(lowest on the top 10 list) currys team won 33% more when he is on the floor( highest out of all on the list, yes higher then lebron at 31% and higher than jordan at 25%) for those reason curry over wilt
Great list, they are just trying to force Steph into the top 10. 1 finals mvp out of 4 finals victories is something he’ll need to sort out moving forward. He’s in the 11-16 range imo, Hakeem deserves some love too.
Hakeem was back to back champ and finals mvp as the clear leader and the undisputed best player on his team.
Bro these lists be killing me with Kobe anything above 3 , did y’all forget that soon?
You know what….I think I agree with Shannon on getting Shaq out of the top 10. Makes sense to me. He had amazing potential but he didn’t keep up sadly. At his apex nobody could beat him but maaan that decline wasn’t supposed to be THAT bad😬
Yeah he’s decline was bad. Shaq got way too comfortable making all that money, eating way too much. Man physique was scary when he was in Orlando, then when he got to the lakers it all went downhill.
I'll take Shaq at his peak vs Steph at his. Shaq didn't have the longevity but during his prime he was unstoppable. His Laker teams were the last to 3-peat in large part because of him.
@@jerrybutler4460 that’s my thing. Stephs Longevity is still going Shaq made the conscious decision to not take care of himself this shortening his NBA lifespan significantly. Shaq realistically has GOAT potential but at least for me I can’t go off what you COULDVE been otherwise people like (RIP) Len Bias should be Top 10 cause people said he was essentially better than Jordan and was going to be someone to rival him potentially it’s not the same as actually having done it. Shaqs peak was scary but you only get 3-4 years of that or 8-9 maybe 10 or more of Steph? I’ll take Steph
He 3 peated with Kobe. No way he should ever be out of the top 10.
Shaq is the most dominate player of the modern era. He's top ten easy.
Steph pushes Shaq out🤣🤣🤣Love you Unc, but you tweekin with that one😂
Honestly, in any order Shaq can never ranked higher than Kobe when he proved two without him, with him leaving getting one. Plus, how Shaq got Robbed of the MVP when Miami was wade team. Everyone knows Kobe got Robbed twice and the one he got he had to finish first in team winning in both east and west. Media always been a Kobe killer
True
I think they peaked at different times, Kobe wasn't as good in the first three chips as he was in the last two he won, Shaq was absolutely dominant in those three chips, and obviously Wade was the man on Shaqs fourth ring, but I think they are neck and neck on the all time list and probably towards nine and ten
@@jweezy5490 during his first thee chips, in the NBA name a better 2 guard. Plus during the hack a Shaq, who kept the team a float.
@@jasoncollie1731 Shaq was the best player on that team, Kobe was good but so was their entire bench
Iverson was a better guard that year, he carried his no name team to the finals against Kobe, he didn't have Shaq on his team, in fact he had a bunch of mediocre talent, Iverson was straight fire that year
Kobe Bryant beat more 50+ Win Teams in the Playoffs than any player in NBA HISTORY and went to 3 straight finals TWICE while winning at least 2 rings each time (only MJ has done that).
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Russell
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Bird
9. Lebron
10. Curry
They don’t know wanna talk about Kobe like that. They have to have have their own narrative for their golden boy
I second It
Your list sucks and it's in q ridiculous order
Skip must be paid to troll, he is outrageous
All time greats for both lists and at the end of the day two of the GREATEST at the desk that are truly UNDISPUTED, big love skip and Shannon 👑
How the non player media always puts Kobe Bryant outside the top 5 is beyond me. Most who played the game give him proper respect, especially those who played against him.
He’s #4 on my list.
Hes not evem top 20 stop talking
@@alexmotts Who not top 20
@@quintaviousanderson2897 an obvious troll, why even give him acknowledgment? His parents obviously did a terrible job raising him to have a brain wave above the level of a potato
@@quintaviousanderson2897
His mom clearly 😂
1. MJ
2. Bron
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Bird
7. Kobe
8. Shaq
9. Wilt
10. Steph
11. Russel
12. Hakeem
13. KD
14. Big O
15. West
Would be my top 15, but honestly at this point so long as you have MJ/Bron at 1~2, Kareem/Magic/Bird/Duncan somewhere in there your list is gucchi in my book. Not everyone values the same things in a player but I believe those 6 I mentioned shouldn't be left out no matter what, currently.
As for Steph, I think he earned the right to at least be in the conversation for Top 10, as in some people will put him in there, some people won't, but definitely an improvement because I don't think anyone but his most fanatic supporters put him in there before.
And Skip having Bron at 9 still gives me mild stomach pain.
I agree with your list slightly but u gotta have Kobe at least in the top 5 man
@@TheMplsboy The way I see it, MJ Bron and Kareem are a notch above the rest and you'd need a serious argument not to have them as your top 3, but it's a lot more lax/interchangeable and up to personal bias for the rest, so I can't get mad at putting Kobe in the top 5, it's fair enough.
What your list look like man ?
I love you UNC but I got to agree with “LET ME FINISH!!” here 😂 Shaq has to be on that top 10 list. I’m sorry I’m not putting Bird ahead of Shaq. So if one got to go for me it would be Larry legend
I feel like the top 10 should’ve been cemented already I feel chef curry is top 11 at least because yes he had some help but come he is 6’3 going up against giants and it’s hard so I feel like skip bayless is right and a again when chef is on the court the rivals gotta eyes on him at all time I feel like if steph curry wins one more than lebron I ll take lebron off
Steph has accomplishments over Shaq offensively such as breaking the record for most 3s in his career. You can consistently stop Shaq offensively with fouls forcing free throws for example or late in his career due to his out of shape state he was less effective; but Curry offensively is much more difficult to consistently stop considering he can launch a 3 from half court and nail it. Shaq has the defense over curry.
Something to consider too is what Shannon said curry has changed overall how basketball is looked at 3s are far more valuable younger players are becoming sharpshooters as good as having a big man is 3 points > 2 points. Curry will always be the better offensive asset but Shaq will give more defensive value; due to Currys influence on basketball overall with pure skill not being born a 7ft1 beast like Shaq that's enough to make him worth the top 10 spot over Shaq. My opinion feel free to disagree
I disagree respectfully, people can say whatever they want about Steph he is the best shooter of all time, however he didn’t change the game how people claim at least in my eyes, when Shaq started in this league there weren’t any 3-second violations offenses didn’t really “space” the floor the way modern offenses do on every set therefore big men weren’t aloud to shoot within the offense they played down low and since there weren’t any violations for being in the paint guys like Shaq Ewing Hakeem. Could defend the basket and never be forced away from the rim and same thing offenseively. The game was CATERED to a big man post style of basketball… the biggest difference is the change of rules big guys are no longer aloud to stand right under the rim therefore it’s more be focal for them to shoot and that mixed with the fact 3’s are worth more than 2s changed the league into a more shooter centric let if fly league, if you shot a 32 foot jumper in the 90s you weren’t gonna leave the bench for a couple weeks now it’s par for the course to pull up from anywhere becuase the LEAUGE and OFFENSES changed guys are now told they need to work on their jumper regardless of size and they are taught if you have a good look let it fly now I’m not trying to diminish curry this was the perfect time in history for his skill set to be highlighted and he took every bit of that advantage the greatest shooter I’ve seen but I don’t think he changed the game other then to casual fans who began rooting for the Dubs just becuase it was “trendy”
I'll put him over Shaq but I wouldn't take Shaq out I really believe Steph got a goat argument Shaq also too I would've took out Russell 8 other hof's wilt gotta be over Russell he only had Jerry west with him going against 9 hof's all together they couldn't win that team vs 2 players
I disagree
You weird
@@bryceferguson8409 for me I would put curry in the top 10 to remove wilt or rusewl
Shaq was the first unanimous MVP, stop it, he got robbed because of some reporter he had beef w who had a vote
1.Kobe Bryant
2.Michael Jordan
3.Magic Johnson
4.Kareem Abdul Jabar
5.Tim Duncan
6.Shaquille O’Neal
7.Lebron James
8.Steph Curry
9.Larry Bird
10.Wilt Chamberlain
Tim Duncan isn’t Better than Lebron… neither is magic smh
I agree with Skip… honestly Shaq would’ve hurt all the big guys on that list!
His Size, Weight and Power would’ve dominated Kareem, Wilt and Russell!
Shaq was straight up scary! All those Big men on the list were honestly too light to control Shaquille O’Neil.
💯
Yup! Except Wilt was strong AF
My top 10 I got
1. LeBron James
2. Michael Jordan
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Magic Johnson
5. Tim Duncan
6. Bill Russell
7. Larry Bird
8. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10 Stephen Curry
Steph over Shaq is laughable 🤣
Why? even shaq will tell you he put curry above him
Shannon hates that Shaq was as great as he was while having as poor a work drive as he did.
@Beery both have 4 rings one has 3 fmvps the other has 1 yeah I’d go with Shaq
@Beery Shaq won 3 straight finals mvps. Only other player to do that was Jordan. Shaq has double curry’s all nba appearances and more all defense teams on top of it. Better defensive and offensive player than Steph
@@MrJonnyl123 Ik I’m taking shaq over curry
The Real Top 10 All Time:
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Steph
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Shaq
9. Duncan
10. Lebron
You gotta be trolling Steph at 5 he should barely be in top 10 and Kareem is better than Kobe so is lebron.
Steph better than lebron?
This is def a warriors fans list 🤣🤣🤣
@@saucykb4758 Kobe is the closest we got to MJ, so that makes him 2. No need to overcomplicate things. Steph is the greatest PG and the greatest shooter of all time. That alone with a 4/8 dynasty clearly puts him Top 5.
U have Steph over lebron..explain that
Yeah u trippin hard
1. MJ 2. Kareem 3. Magic. 4. Kobe 5. Duncan 6. Shaq 7. Lebron 8. Wilt 9. Bird 10. Steph/Hakeem/Russell depending on preference
skip go look at stats, shaq was good but its actually kobe who killed spurs in 2001. he kept dunking over twin towers. If spurs was the finals, then kobe would have got the MVP imo. Next year in 2002 spurs series, shaq only averaged 21 points as well. Skip is so delusional
Wilt dominated bill everytime 😂😂😂 he just ain’t have 6 other hall of famers on his team
Yes because they won .. if wilt had won they would be hof too. Wilt had plenty of help lol jerry west is a top 20 player. What top 20 player did russell play with
@@bboywolf facts bro wilt had jerey west and E Baylor
@@bboywolf that’s dumb asf to say the least 🤣🤣
@@DB-cg4vs Elgin Baylor came at the end of his career and was older than wilt 😂
@@Ratchetface yet he didnt win those 2 years... when he did have help he wasnt winning lol jerry west and gail goodrich are comparable to havlicek and cousy. Doesnt matter if he was alone or not, he was the reason his team lost almost every year
Sheesh! Wilt's 55 REBOUNDS are more impressive than that 100 point game. I never knew that one.
In B4 ignorant younglings begin slandering Wilt and Russell because of the era they played in. They are easily top 10 players of all time and would dominate in any era. The detractors of the 60’s need to stop spouting off nonsense.
skips list is fine if he moves lebron up to 2 and everyone else down 1, im a lebron hater, and even I know hes top 2 all time
You’re right, I only have a problem with his order not the players in it.
I’m a huge Lebron fan and he’s not top 5 yet.
@@MrGenexxx interesting take
@@makaiwinchester9582 hes obviously trolling he’s a well known TH-cam lebron hater
@@MrGenexxx that mean y’all don’t watch basketball y’all causals
Lmao geez. Shaq at 11 would make sense for Shannon. I want to see this take today after lebron's scoring title and everything else that has happened
I will say this about their lists. Shannon’s values a players career dominance as well as a players impact, as well as stats. Skips list is about accomplishments with a hint of eye test. Unless it’s Jordan, shaq or lebron which he lets his extreme bias kick in.I personally prefer Shannon’s list with 1 or 2 minor changes steph curry at 10 is not one of them though.
So what do u have a problem with when it comes to Shannon list.
@@jimmyb4361 Im swapping wilt with magic and bird with TD. I feel like wilt is so disrespected for how great he was had his career started 5 years later than when he did he would be two all time and TD is essentially the big man version of Jordan one super close series loss off of also being at perfection.
Shannon’s list lost all credibility with his first pick. Fangirling over Lebron has clouded his judgment.
Lebron has a legitimate case as being the goat, skip having Lebron at 9th is way worse
The disrespect that Kobe Bryant gets, man. Smh
Hes not top 10. At allm its disrespect to several player even trying to put kobe top 10
Kobe was even top 10 bruh, sorry. Kobe wasn’t even the best player when he played. Early 2000s it was Shaq, mid was Tim Duncan and late 2000s was Lebron. You fanboys are in your feelings way too much and when people are not they’re called haters. I love Kobe as much as the next guy, but man wasn’t top 10, definitely 15 tho for sure
@@alexmotts Kobe is top 5.
@@POKEFAN023 There’s a reason why so many NBA legends and player all rank Kobe in their top three best basketball players. For you to say Kobe was never the best basketball player in the NBA is crazy because from 2006-2010 he was better than Duncan and definitely better than Lebron.
@@kylekatjomuise6259 everyone puts Kobe up their list cause of their feelings and also because they also know that Kobe has a crazy fan base. Sure Kobe had a run where he had great games and put numbers, but nope sorry he’s just not in the top 10. If you want to put on him your list and let your personal feelings get in the way then that’s fine. But if you have any respect for the sport and think with logic then you’ll know Kobe is not top 10
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Kobe
5. LeBron
6. Bill
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Bird
10. Wilt
I love shaq but putting shaq 3rd is absolutely crazy
1. Michael Jordan
2. Lebron
3.kareem
4.magic Johnson
5.Tim Duncan
6. Bill Russell
7.Larry Bird
8.Kobe Bryant
9. Shaq
10. Steph curry
I know its blasphemous not to have wilt in the top 10 but bill won 11 championships in wilts era wilt barely won any.
man stop it nobody ever said tim over kobe when they were playing and bill on 6 is just to high
@@umitkose5043 because everyone loved kobes game more if u look at the stats Duncan is way better and more efficient tho
Finally someone that has the same top 5 the top 5 is basically the greatest at every position
1. MJ (Greatest SG)
2. LeBron (Greatest SF)
3. Kareem (Greatest C)
4. Magic (Greatest PG)
5. Duncan (Greatest PF)
I personally don’t like trying to rank Wilt and Russell because of how long ago they played and how different the game was…but these two are heavily slighting Hakeem for the top 10
Exactly players were barely over 6'5 at the time
Yes I got Russell over Shaq.yes Shaq may more skill but when comes to winning idc how much skill you have Russell got it done when it counts and put the stats up while doing it playing wholes games sometimes just to win
Lebron james 1, Bill russell 2 , Michael jordan 3, Kareem abdul-jabbar4 , Magic Johnson 5, kobe bryant 6, Wilt Chamberlain 7, Larry bird 8, Tim Duncan 9, and Steph curry 10
Personally I removed Wilt for Steph, regardless of the records he simply didn't win when it mattered.
I’m with Steph going on the list but taking Wilt out??? U are insane! who else scored 100pts tell me.. wilt career average is inhuman. I feel like top 10 can no longer be top 10. It has far out grown it’s capacity of 10 with more legends and HOF players leveling up every season. Just wait til Steph gets the 5th.
Same
Kobe deserved more than just one MVP.
Bron deserve more than four
No he didn’t. Which year?
@@214-v4g all the years Nash won it
@@Slootbanger What were the Lakers records in both of those seasons compared to the Suns?
@@214-v4g thank you. Been saying this for years. I think lakers missed playoffs and finished 7th seed or something. Mvp usually goes to team with one of the best records. If he researches a bit, he will see 1 is valid
I like Shannon’s list more, I’d just flip his 1 and 2. And as athletic as Shaq was, Wilt was even more of a freak. Wilt‘s accolades were absurd, his 100 m dash, his high jump, his bench press…unheard of for someone of his frame.
Kobe being ranked behind Tim Duncan and magic is a joke
Shannon is tripping with Curry over Shaq and Skip is tripping with Shaq over Kareem
1.Jordan
2.Kareem
3.Kobe
4.Lebron
5.Magic
6.Bird
7.Shaq
8.Bill
9.Wilt
10.Duncan
It’s not just all about stats. If it was Lebron would be number 1. Kobe would have more regular season MVP’s if it wasn’t for the case but I find it funny that nobody cares for the regular season until we’re talking about the quote on quote goat conversation. The regular season MVP narrative is only pushed to make Lebron sound greater than Kobe but it wasn’t until Kobe retired that it was Lebron said he was the best in the league. How many all time defensive teams has Kobe made again when you compare him to Lebron??? Look at the full body of work and not just the offensive.
KOBE HAVE 1 MVP NO WAY…. BRON HAVE 4 MVPS 4 FINAL MVPS
Facts. Ppl always dismiss Kobe cuz he was so great. They hate because nobody could emulate mj like Kobe and if mj the goat then how come Kobe not top 5 when he's 1 ring short of 6. They just haters
@@reppintime3890 bos and magic beat lechock's 60+ win teams in the playoff while kobe beat them in the finals without any top 75 player on his team. lechock had to team hop to avoid rebuilds and 09 and 10 reg season mvp should have been kobe's not lechock. lechock can't even make the playoffs in the west lmao if anything MJ Magic Kobe Kareem Tim Shaq. they are all better. you can't build team around lechock because he will team hop before they develop lmao
I just don’t get how Kobe is the closest thing we have seen to Michael Jordan but one get is at 9 and the other is at 1. Please explain
Ideally most like to have it as top 5 with positions in mind, dominance etc. With Shaq being the better player and finals mvp 3x, that hurts Kobe's ranking, and on top of that, he's not the best SG ever.
Facts
@@Chr1ShawnKPD Kobe carried Shaq several times throughout that time. He gets worst schtick for the lack of FMVP than Curry has ever got and he arguably deserved to have 3 fMVP because imo he was the best player in the NJ Nets Finals Series.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 Yes, the Net series was definitely interesting to watch. You could see Kobes disappointment when he didnt win that award
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 I understand that but, 3x finals, and Shaqs dominance and winning all 3 finals mvp, is the deciding factor
Shannon’s argument about Shaq, is my point about LeBorin James, he was up against McGrady, billups, Anthony, Yao,dirk, Kidd, pierce, wade, rose, Duncan, Kobe, James is literally the bigger than Tim Duncan body wise, and the media makes him bigger in all time list which I disagree.
Nah bump out bill Russell and Shaq should be top 5. Also skip trolling LeBron at 9 is just hating theirs no way he should be anything less than top 3-5 in anyones list.
Yeah... Shannon list is laughable but also skips. I really hate lebron but I have him top 3 behind Kareem. Shaqs top 10 for sure. My fav is Kobe but I have him at 6 or 7 with Duncan.
We gotta stop this narrative that Wilt n Bird better than Kobe 🤦🏾♂️
Skip is pure comedy. His face when he said "you bumped Shaquille O'Neal out of your top 10" LMFAOOOO
Skip Bayless having Lebron at number 9 is everything you need to know about that list.
I literally LMAO when I seen that. Now his commentary makes sense to me when I understand how he sees him amongst the all time greats.
Not as crazy as Shannon having Kobe at 9
Bill Russell shouldn't be top 10, and Wilt should be like #10. Wilt COULD HAVE been the greatest basketball player EVER, but he was the Russell Westbrook of his time. He was a stat padder who put personal accomplishment above winning.
personally I think Jordan - Lebron - Kareem - Magic - Shaq - Kobe - Bird - Duncan - Wilt - Steph makes way more sense than either shannon or skip's list.
@@saradaharunoofthesharingan3564 not really. Kobe was good but only managed 2 FMVP and 1 MVP. If he was higher he should have more. His finals record of 5-2 is good but he had PRIME Shaq to carry the load. He’s placed right. I love Kobe, but be realistic.
@@deathstrokear1483
"Kobe was good" lol Kobe was nothing short of amazing and legendary if we're being "realistic" that is. Funny how you say he had Prime Shaq to carry the load yet Prime Shaq needed young Kobe to carry the load when hack a Shaq came into play. Funny how Shaq never won before Kobe arrived and he only won one ring without Kobe.(which Wade won FMVP). Funny how Kobe has more rings than Shaq and went to 3 finals without Shaq and won 2 of them without him.
Lebron being at #9 is placed right if we're being realistic. Afterall let's not forget he has more finals losses than wins(4-6) and has played with the most superstars/all stars than anyone.
@@saradaharunoofthesharingan3564 player skill.. kobe is top 3 . career wise? kobe is 5-10 player..
1 MVP 2 FMVP had 3 rings with the most dominant player of all time in 8 years (3 in 8 years just to remind you)
he has the mentality of a winner/ a champion but his career wasnt better than any 5 players...
Kobe's career went down after his injury. he couldnt even make playoffs... they even got swept against the spurs with howard and nash as his teammates.. (1st round)
Kobe is among the greatests.. hes among the best winners and champions.
Classic Skip. 2004 was not The Biggest Upset in NBA history. One of the best defensive teams of all time (regularly kept teams to 70 points or less) went up against a beefing Shaq and Kobe, true, but the rest of the team was a bunch of ring chasers who weren't even healthy enough to play. And Ben Wallace was one of the few players who could keep Shaq around 25 points instead of 35.
I can’t put Shaq in my top 10 simply because i watched how he got regularly destroyed by Hakeem..and he could win anything until DRob and Hakeem and Pat Ewing got old and hobbled. Bonus fact: he used to get destroyed by Rik Smits and Big Country Reeves. That puts him top 15 at best.
He literally destroyed everybody you named except Hakeem and he was a baby doin it too...
Did he get destroyed by Rik Smits in the finals lmao??
@@irnotu9993 Rik Smits barely played in the finals due to a foot injury, which is why he retired right after that finals. You’d know that if you actually watched. Lol nice try tho
1. LeBron
2. MJ
3. Kareem
4. Wilt
5. Bird/ Magic
7. Shaq
8. Tim Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. Bill Russell
11. Steph curry
12. Kobe Bryant / Dwyane Wade
14. Giannis
15. Dirk