@@alvinmiller6675 No he didn't lol. You would like it he did that. But what's been removed from these talks of longevity always matters how long can you sustain greatness and play at a high level. And even people hate LeBron for various reasons like, he's out spoken, he's the most talked about player probably ever, people want him to retire, but he seems to not be slowing down, people hating the records that he's breaking because their favorite player once owned them whatever the case. Bron is one of one, he's one of those rare athletes and he probably won't start really slowing down till about 43-45. It's some guys that's just that gifted. He will be at the top of all most everything considered with basketball in the history of a professional league. That's points, rebounds, assist, steals and blocks. I mean he's already l the only player EVER to be top 10 in the 5 mayor statical categories in playoffs and he's not the only great that's played 19 years. He leads all time in two categories (points and steals) and is second in all time in playoffs assist and he will add to all that before he's done. The points that he's responsible for from scoring and assisting it's easy to say no one in the history of the league is remotely close. And that's just the short of many things.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 There's a bunch of players with 14 Achievements. Stephen Curry has 13 Achievements. At the age of 27, Giannis has the best shot to make it into the Top 10...he already has 12 Achievements.
Think of the numbers if Kareem didn’t stay in college for 4-years. What happens if he leaves after two years at UCLA? Two more years of Kareem in the NBA? The numbers would be insane.
Putting aside GOAT debates and who should be ahead of who and who's better then who, this series is truly an informative basketball analysis about 50 players that across will give you understanding on how the game was played during different eras. I don't agree with some of the placements, but this was a fun watch.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 There's a bunch of players with 14 Achievements. Stephen Curry has 13 Achievements. At the age of 27, Giannis has the best shot to make it into the Top 10...he already has 12 Achievements.
@@jasondaley718 he also doesn’t own the rights to the highlights whereas everything he has posted is his intellectual property. Definitely harder to monetize if highlights are included.
@@bluewhale2846 There's substantial commentary and the content is transformative and educational, so any use of game footage would fall under fair use.
@@donaldlouwe3939 yeah but fox doesn’t like to take the risk so I’m not surpsrised Nick doesn’t as well. Fox Sports always remove the highlights when posting TH-cam clips
FYI = Kareem did win the FMVP in 1980 AFTER Magic's great game 6 but because Kareem was not present, CBS did not want to present the award to an empty chair, so the voters were asked to change their votes so Magic would win the award. This is all covered in the book titled "Kareem" pages 140-141. Kareem really does have a legit case for the #1 place. Thank you for the work you have put into this series. Kareem in the 85 Finals - after his terrible game 1, was incredible!!
I 100% Agree! KAJ is my #1 as well. You can debate who is 1 thru 3 in the NBA, but from High School, to College to the Pros, there is one Man....Kareem! Best BB career ever! I would put him up there with Bill Russell and Ali for off the court as well!
“Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!” Nick, I felt like I was sitting on a jury and you were Kareem’s high priced attorney. I must admit, your argument is EXTREMELY compelling. In fact, as an admitted Jordan or bust guy, I am in deliberations over an issue that I felt was settled. Great job!
Well. Let's put it like this bc people tend to look at Kareem but don't fully grasp how old he was.. Nick used a lot of Kareem's college numbers. Now.. What would Jordan (and any other top 10 player) college numbers look like if they had played in college from 1966-1969??.. Think Jordan or any of the others would've won a few rings throughout the 70s??... Kareem was great. For sure. But the stats do not tell the whole story. Kareem was in the same position as Wilt and Bill.. His younger years were def in an different era..and any top 20 player would've dominated had they played in the same era as well. Most....MOST... GMs are drafting Jordan before they draft Kareem.. And that's the way I look at "GOAT Lists" bc it's all subjective.. But. Who would get drafted first most often?.. This "debate" will never go away.
I'm just thankful I don't have that "must rank!" Mindset. I love watching all the great players. My GOAT is Jordan. But. Hey.. LeBron is pretty fkn good, too.
Kareem was ELITE for 20yrs ppl. Longevity, durability, & productivity at THAT high of a level DOES make this a valid argument. I bet he avg atleast 5-7 blocks per game those 1st 4yrs too
This was a very informative series. You learned the individual greatness of each player he talked about in each episode. A lot of them you probably didn't realize accomplished as much as they did.
@@terricarter9435 We all knew Nick was gonna have Bron #1. But honestly, every argument for Lebron at #1, Kareem has a better case unless you just prefer one play style over the other. I, for one, can't see any legit argument for the best player in NBA history having a losing finals record when no one else in the conversation has a losing finals record. It means from the jump you have to make excuses for him. He didn't dominate his era (based on wins), his stats aren't so far above his competition to give him an edge (like Wilt), he doesn't have the most accolades in NBA history by a long shot, he didn't have the highest peak, and his longevity stats are all trumped by Kareem. Nick should start his #1 ranking by just saying he loves Lebron and that's why he has him #1.
@@gumballwaterson1957 I agree with this take…after listening to this video having Lebron over Kareem is extremely egregious especially when you have to make so many excuses for his finals record.. Kareem’s numbers are ridiculous I’ve seen Lebron’s whole career which was impressive but the Kareem numbers are an encyclopedia itself.
While a lot of people disagree with Nick, I feel like he provides more actual facts and evidence when presenting his case than the vast majority of sports media/fans. People often back up their takes with feelings; he breaks down the history.
I completely agree. However, using Nick's facts and evidence against him Magic is Kareems best argument for not being number 2. I actually didn't realize just how great Magic was until I watched this series. Now I think Kareem is bit overrated.
Thank you so much Nick Wright for such amazing breakdown of 50 of the greatest players in NBA history. I don't agree with all orders but doesn't matter because it was so much fun to watch/listen to for months.
I think a playlist would suit you better. They might do that if they haven't already. But all episodes in ONE video? You know how long that will be right? That's well over 10 hours. Maybe even over 20 hours. So a playlist of the episodes is just smarter overall from all angles.
My dad was Mr. Basketball, George Mikan's "#1 Fan". Then, multiple times, I got to see Wilt LIVE with the Harlem Globetrotters. I "followed" Wilt into the NBA, for the (1959-)1960 season and have been a "rabid" NBA/ABA/NBL fan for SIXTY THREE YEARS. I've been making NBA/ABA/NBL GOAT lists FOR DECADES (mostly based on the ALL-LEAGUE yearly selections. "TOUGHER ERAS"VS MAJOR EXPANSION: Over recent years we see this type of comment, " THE CAPTAIN KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR and then Micheal Jordan and it was during tougher eras than LeBron eras and yes that does matter a lot !" BUT, during KAJ's career, 7 years of the ABA (during the last 6 of which, the ABA's level was ON PAR with that of the NBA; and during the last 3 years of which, a legit argument could be made that the ABA was (slightly) better. This is PROVEN by the fact that former ABA teams played better than 50% ball (despite the ABA getting raped during the "Merger"); AND former-ABA players filled the post-merger ALL-NBA 1st-Teams and 2nd-Teams. Then during MJ's career, the NBA ADDED SIX TEAMS IN JUST 8 YEARS! Tremendously watering down the average level of play/player/team; INEVITABLY leading to the best teams having incredible Won-Loss records (which makes MJ's team, the Bulls, AND their top opposition SEEM to be historically great teams). Since 1996, the NBA has added ONE TEAM (in 26 YEARS!; including during LBJ's (so far) 20-year career) AND training and coaching methods have continued to improve AND INTERNATIONAL PLAY has exploded - the League has NEVER been more loaded with talent. N.B. It's no coincidence that, prior to recent years, the NBA top records for most-wins-in-a-season happened in EXPANSION YEARS: 1969, 1972, 1996 etc.
@@tyjohnson3111 Their games could NOT have been that different - the two leagues played each other in many, many exhibition games (iirc, over a hundred games). EARLY ON, the NBA won most of them; but the ABA caught up and won so many games that overall they overcame that early deficit and ended up winning the majority of the games. There WERE some significant differences (only the ABA had the 3-ball then) and the ABA was called a "Forwards' League" - especially because of Dr J, Rick Barry and a number of other greats at that position. They DID play a little more open, run-and-gun style. Personally, I liked that style better, btw.
Jordan fans will tell you the watering down is actually a good thing because it made the league more fair, even though everybody knows that at least 5 of the teams Jordan beat in the finals had no chance in any other era.
Thinkin about it, Nicks list wouldve been anti climatic if he ranked Bron number 2. .. Nobody wouldve listened to his final episode ranking Kareem 1. This way, everyone tunes into next week to see how he validates Bron as his GOAT
Solid case, Nick. Add Outlawed dunking in college because of his raw ability. So he perfects the sky hook, the most unstoppable, dependable, assist friendly posture ever in any era. ( including Wilt and Russell)
I feel like some of Kareem’s success has to be attributed to the fact he had “the 4th best player of all time” on his team…. For the majority of their success the number 4 and number two best players all time were on the same team??? That has to matter when looking at their accomplishments in comparison with Jordan and Lebron
The fact he had an all time great on his team and still did the damage he does just reemphasizes his substantial greatness cause he shared the floor with a GOAT and still gave you 30-15-5 on most nights and won all those chips and records, people act like just cause Magic was there that he wasn’t given them that work, and even the game 6 performance by Magic, a case could be made that Kareem still deserved finals MVP because he averaged 30-10-5 in those finals
@@blackwonderandre nonsense lol. Magic was a point guard the GOAT PG. his job was to MAKE SURE things were EASY for Kareem. Y'all gonna stop holding on to these fairy tales as arguments.
The argument for Kareem as the GOAT instead of Jordan makes sense. However, I don't see how the argument for Lebron as the GOAT instead of Kareem or Jordan can measure up.
Nick's a bit too cocky. Skip, SAS, all paid their dues by being journalists then take artist. Nick started in radio as an option guy. On TV he acts like he's the only one to discovered Basketball Ref and Wiki lol.
Jordan won as a many Finals mvps as Lebron and Kareem combined, as many 1st team all defense selections as both of them combined, while winning more scoring titles and Dpoy than both of them combined, winning more Threepeats than both of them combined, and dominates in all advanced stats.. and he did all of that while playing less seasons than both of them and retiring in his prime... and Jordan also didn’t have a size advantage like both of them had... Jordan is the Goat
Ps: Micheal Cooper there, great call and great player. Not many guy won 6th man and DPOY, and not many guy can say "I'm the only guy who can guard the MVP", but he did. I think that if we make a list of the greatest role player of the last 50 years, he's in top 10.
I feel like Kareems argument for being higher than Jordan is the same one for being higher than LeBron so I have no earthly idea what argument he's gonna make for LeBron at 1 lol
I love that this list can’t make me mad lol I feel bron, kareem, and jordan all have good arguments for goat so I’m never mad at the order anyone puts them… I didn’t like Iverson high 20 placements and luka being 20 but other than that I love the list Idc what order you put the top 3
I can make an argument against lebron. You need stats and rings to be towards the top of these lists and lebron would have one maybe two if he didn’t team hop and ring chase. Kareem had magic but he joined before they even drafted him so he wouldn’t know. Jordan had pippen but again, Jordan was there first and they drafted pippen. I don’t reward ring chasers who join teams force them to spend every drop of capital they have to trade for all Star buddies then leave once they’re dried up or his hall of fame teammates show any sign of decline in their game.
@@limitedbom2206 none of this is a good argument to me … 1. He’s a free agent and can go to where ever he wants . 2. He wasn’t fortunate enough to get a magic or pippen drafted to the cavs but I guess that’s his fault for keeping them out of the lottery and they don’t land kyrie if he doesn’t win 3. He was leader on all 3 of those teams never played robin 4. Most stars ring chase but y’all don’t count the unsuccessful attempts 5. Nothing you said had to do with actual game …players can put themselves i positions to win if the franchise won’t All of that is excuses because we see teams before Lebron and after levron come together to win and it doesn’t happen Y’all will say Lebron had superteams then say 2012 heat can’t beat 96 bulls Then I say well if that’s the case that would make the bulls a superteam then y’all screaming no lol this my only response
Luka being 20 is less egregious than Kareem over Jordan, Luka is already 2nd(at worst 4th) best player in the game, unless he gets hurt or fall off a cliff he's going to be top 15 without trying. Kareem can't dribble shoot or pass, lets not forget nicks arguments for reem on first take were: highschool, college, what he did with magic and the media doesn't like him. Not many basketball things in there, other than longevity stats.
@@MoXy33 why y’all tryna convince me lol Idgaf who ppl have as the goat lol like idc if you wanna put jordan 1 or kareem 1 they all have an argument… and longevity is a good thing no clue why y’all try and act like it’s not but you got it
Given the research that Nick had to perform to do this series, this was an amazing effort. I totally agree with his final three but IMO....the order is wrong. Still.......great job of work!!!
Next weeks video going to be nuts. I’m a huge Bron fan and just can’t make any argument that he’s the 🐐. Legit only Nick Wright can make the argument and make it make sense
I think nick is right about his points about how mostly the media does this by using an argument to protect Jordan’s legacy and then the same argument to hurt Lebron or Kareem’s legacy
@@joequinones7763 alright …. they both have fmvps for every single win , lebron is more all around and more versatile all while being top 5 scorer and top 10 assist ( unheard of ) plus in a harder league 🤷🏼♂️
Why is it never taken into consideration that for most of Kareem's career, half of the best players in the world were in the ABA. That's gotta be taken into account in my opinion.
@@sgprince06 because it’s not smart to just assume someone would dominate in sports in a whole different era. I’d like to think coaches and schemes got a lot smart over the years and knew how to stop certain players more so the in the past. Besides the evolution factor.
Little known fact is that Dr J was drafted to the Bucks in 1972. Because of rights disputes and a judge ruling, he ended up in the ABA. If he had stayed with the Bucks, Kareem would've easily been the consensus greatest ever.
That’s not little known. That’s for the casuals who don’t know the history of the game. That’s for the people who discredit the levels of competition in eras as if the players are in control of it. You don’t seem to be one of those though. If Dr.J signs with the Bucks, does Kareem go to LAL?
@@tyjohnson3111 Most people are casuals but I get your point. And no, I don't think so. At least not that early. The Dr J thing is probably the single biggest "What If?" in NBA history.
Quality over Quantity: Mike in 11 full seasons with the Bulls accomplished more in half the time as Kareem and LeBron. Plus Mike was never out played in the playoffs and won 6 Finals MVPs (greatest record in the NBA)
@@coreythomas3633 Who is Pippen in your eyes? Dude was a 19ppg player in the finals. Lebron had Dwade with 21 Kyrie with 27, and AD with 25. (these are just the won finals, averages go higher if you include the lost ones) You act like he was on par with Jordan.
@@arguseyed9982 He’s not supposed to be his equal. He was supposed to supplement him as a #2 option on offense and PRIMARY PLAYMAKER. You keep harping on the Finals averages but not the playoff ones…I wonder why.
@@arguseyed9982 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 that’s the ultimate casual take. Do the games to get to the championship matter less? So you literally must be one of the people who rather lose in the 1st Round than lose in the Finals. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 With that logic
@@aswanwilliam He was apart of 3 60+ Win Teams & 3 50-59 Win Teams in the decade of parity that wouldn’t be matched until the late 2000s/early 2010s. 2 Finals Appearances & 6 Conference Finals Appearances. Didn’t play on a super team outside of 71’ Bucks. Faced off agaisnt 70’s Knicks, 72’ Lakers, 73’ Knicks, 74’ Celtics, 76’ Celtics & 77’ Blazers--all considered “superteams”; and their records would hold suit to that.
All he’s done is promote Kareem over lebron for 2nd all time. Jordan is a hall of fame career above Kareem and Kareem is way above lebron. It’s not Jordan’s fault he played to max out. He should be applauded for accomplishing that much in 13 full seasons. (Really, 11).
Great series Nick. I've only really been watching the NBA for the last decade, and whilst I had some knowledge of the big names from the past the detail of the information youve given has been outstanding, I've really learned so much - Magic's numbers were a real stand out, knowing he was all-time great but the numbers blew me away. Great stuff, really enjoyable series.
@@Chronz thanks for the clarification, I really thought Nick had memorised all of these statistics and wasn't reading them throughout. The way he presented the information was clearly what I enjoyed. But yeah, thanks for your input.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles) 1) Jordan = 46 2) LeBron = 31 2) Kareem = 31 4) Kobe = 30 5) Duncan = 28 6) Wilt = 23 7) Magic = 20 8) Russell = 19 9) Shaq = 18 10) Bird = 17 11) Hakeem = 16 12) Durant = 15 There's a bunch of players with 14 Achievements. Stephen Curry has 13 Achievements. At the age of 27, Giannis has the best shot to make it into the Top 10...he already has 12 Achievements.
I have loved this series and list so I am not a hater here. But to say that Luka is at 20 because of a precedent you have set but then not include Giannis in the top ten when you have said you believe hes going to finish in the top ten shows a lack of consistency. Thats why people are mad about the Luka ranking, it doesnt make sense.
Bingo. And while Shaq was listed in the top 50 (his argument) Shaq was also not ranked. It was just a grouping for Shaq. He specifically has Luka at 20, and yet somehow doesn't have Jokic on the list AT ALL? It's inconsistent......
It doesn't need to make sense. Because this series is a personal ranking. Personal ideas, personal takes. Every single personal list, take or opinion in sport context is fanatical and cannot be considered objective. I kept an open mind to watch this as if I was watching a history documentary about ancient Egypt or something
@@jujutaco8487 He says that he put Luka there because of a precedent he had set about projecting their ranking. Hes said on First things first and his podcast he believes Giannis will be top ten yet didnt put him there? He’s contradicting himself which doesn’t make sense. And saying a list doesn’t need to make sense is just a silly argument lol
Does it not matter at all, that among the three supposed GOAT candidates, one of them was sort of... a normal-sized human being (hands not included)? Isn't it way more impressive to completely dominate the league as a player who's traditionally the fourth smallest guy on a team? If a few extra years of peak productivity matter, then surely the added challenge of not being gigantic should matter as well.
The only significant player with a comparable career in length is lebron but Kareem has more post season and regular season success besides finals mvps which he should have more of picking hairs bw him and lebron and I would argue if you switch their situations for their careers lebron would have just as much success but I would say that’s on lebron for not only empowering himself to win chips but in doing that he empowered every other top 5 player. I cut him no slack for facing those warriors teams because who set the precedent for those teams being formed
How a G.O.A.T can have a losing record, is beyond my intelligence. That aside, you did a very good job with this. Thanks for taking the time to give us an indepth look at history. 👌🏾💯
How can a GOAT only go to 6 finals and play overmatched teams none of which were better than the San Antonio Spurs or Golden State Warrior teams. Tough for Kareem since he had Magic and tough for Magic since he had Kareem.
@@bgood4449 How can a goat hand pick his teams and still have a losing record in the finals...cp3 beatin the warriors and spurs with less talent on his team so they not unbeatable
The block situation is pretty easy: top rebounder of the 60s/early 70s averaged 7-8bpg. Philly tracked (unofficially, but it's the same guy who then lead the NBA official stat team for years, so it's reliable) Wilt's number from 65 to 68, and he averaged 9.2bpg. We have data from a few of Russell's (RIP legend) best game, and he averaged 8+bpg in those games. And mind that for both guys, grabbing a shot mid air and coming down with the ball was considered a steal, not a block in 60s. So I think it's fair to say that probably Kareem had something between 5 and 8 bpg in those years, and so he should be rightfully third all time, behind Wilt and Bill. It's not official, it's a rough estimation, but I think it's a fair one.
Nick made his list specifically to insult Wilt and especially Russell. Why the greatest of the last 50yrs? Why not since Bird and Magic got drafted or since the '77 merger? Oh that's right Kareem was draft 50yrs ago so..... RIP King Bill Russell.
You can argue that he's not number two all time. You can't deny that there is at least a case to be made that he's number two all time. Kareem is an all time great and if he's not at least in your top ten then you probably don't know much about basketball.
So the second greatest player has more rings and mvps than the "#1 player Lebron", and less finals mvp, less scoring titles, less all defensive teams than the "3rd best ever", Jordan. In fact, both #1 and #2 on the list accomplished less than #3 while playing much longer. What a joke of a list. 🤣
Jordan having more finals mvps doesn't make him better than lebron or having more rings. He played way weaker competition. Yall love throwing team dominance into individual accomplishments and lebron and kareem played at a high level for 2 decades.
Nick: Great series. On this one especially, it would have been a far better video if you made 3 arguments why he's better than Jordan and then supported that with numbers. The avalanche of data is mind-numbing.
This would be a wild concept...have people like Nick, Broussard, Stephen A, & Skip sit in a film session with someone like JJ Reddick, Richard Jefferson, and/or Grant Hill and have them (the "analysts") tell the former players what they see on the tape. Then let the players explain what is actually happening on the play and why things are important. Would be very insightful.
@@Joes35 you got alot of hate in your heart homie…. And luka being at 20 is crazy, however my post said nothing about luka, good job grasping for straws tho
@@demetrius2607 lol hate in your heart? Some of y’all soft af. Anytime you hear something you don’t like, “you’re a hater”. Lol good comeback. I’m just laughing at you thinking this list is relevant to anyone except Nicks chorus of lebron fan boys. Literally no one cares about this list. Even FS1 didn’t discuss it except FTF. Nicks show. Everyone else taking it for the joke it is. Everyone talked about bill Simmons book of basketball when it came out. Because it was an actual objective look at the nba. Not some fan boys home made list.
@@Joes35 It's his opinion at the end of the day. If you think Jordan is #1 then cool! If you think Bron is the Goat, also cool! Tho these debates are fun at times, but people's opinions aren't up for debate.......my opinion! 🤣
@@Joes35 hypocrisy is real, you out here typing a whole book and trying to invalidate a sports commentator knowledge because he’s saying stuff YOU DONT WANT TO HEAR. If you truly don’t like something, don’t consume the product old man🤷🏾♂️ business class 101
LeBron could actually break Kareem's FGM record with three or four more solid years which I think is feasible because he's shown no signs of slowing down.
LeBron easily the greatest ever, but the media has brainwashed mf’s 😂 those 80’s, and 90’s watchers have nostalgia watching Jordan and the bulls , and that’s facts
Thank you so much for this series Nick. I don’t agree with everything, but you are so informative and I learned a lot watching this.
Facts dudes a straight up historian of the game even if everyone doesn’t agree w everything he says he does back it up
He is a complete fool and so are you
What? You don't have access to Basketball Ref? He's just reading off stats, bro. This ain't physics.
LMao this guy just reading stat lines. Some of y’all must really be 14 years old.
@@GIGAFAT3 he’s mad bc of his husband Jordan being 3rd..
Regardless of rankings, this series is a great resource for fans who enjoy learning more about the history of basketball.
He got #2 All Time correct..he just totally screwed up # 3 and #1🧹
@@alvinmiller6675 No he didn't lol. You would like it he did that. But what's been removed from these talks of longevity always matters how long can you sustain greatness and play at a high level. And even people hate LeBron for various reasons like, he's out spoken, he's the most talked about player probably ever, people want him to retire, but he seems to not be slowing down, people hating the records that he's breaking because their favorite player once owned them whatever the case.
Bron is one of one, he's one of those rare athletes and he probably won't start really slowing down till about 43-45. It's some guys that's just that gifted. He will be at the top of all most everything considered with basketball in the history of a professional league. That's points, rebounds, assist, steals and blocks. I mean he's already l the only player EVER to be top 10 in the 5 mayor statical categories in playoffs and he's not the only great that's played 19 years.
He leads all time in two categories (points and steals) and is second in all time in playoffs assist and he will add to all that before he's done.
The points that he's responsible for from scoring and assisting it's easy to say no one in the history of the league is remotely close. And that's just the short of many things.
I always thought Lebron is number 2 but thanks to this video Kareem is number 2 and Lebron is number 3. Of course Jordan is number 1.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
There's a bunch of players with 14 Achievements.
Stephen Curry has 13 Achievements.
At the age of 27, Giannis has the best shot to make it into the Top 10...he already has 12 Achievements.
Think of the numbers if Kareem didn’t stay in college for 4-years.
What happens if he leaves after two years at UCLA?
Two more years of Kareem in the NBA?
The numbers would be insane.
Wilt tried the same and it backfired on him.
Two years of a young kareem btw
@@sambafarl700
Would have been interesting where he would have gotten drafted
@@tyjohnson3111 laker
@@sambafarl700 🤔 how come?
Putting aside GOAT debates and who should be ahead of who and who's better then who, this series is truly an informative basketball analysis about 50 players that across will give you understanding on how the game was played during different eras. I don't agree with some of the placements, but this was a fun watch.
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
There's a bunch of players with 14 Achievements.
Stephen Curry has 13 Achievements.
At the age of 27, Giannis has the best shot to make it into the Top 10...he already has 12 Achievements.
@@FreedomFighter2112 Delete this
@@tyjohnson3111 Why? The facts hurt that much?! lol
@@FreedomFighter2112
What facts? The fact is that you can’t prove to me a scoring title is equal to an All Defensive Appearance.
Bro, even is you take away scoring titles, Jordan is still the tops on the list. BTW, who are your Top 5? Can't wait to see your list
The old 40 19 3 3 and 9 stat line. That's awesome and hilarious. Man he was so dominant for so long. Don't be sleeping on the Capt.
If he’s your GOAT I ain’t mad but LeBron that’s a different story
@@jerryjackson9148yea that's a different story cuz lebron is
If only this series had gameplay highlights to go along with Nick's monologue.
I think he really wanted ppl to listen to why he has them there then get distracted by highlights
@@jasondaley718 he also didn't want people to see the vast difference in skills between his top 3 picks.
@@jasondaley718 he also doesn’t own the rights to the highlights whereas everything he has posted is his intellectual property. Definitely harder to monetize if highlights are included.
@@bluewhale2846 There's substantial commentary and the content is transformative and educational, so any use of game footage would fall under fair use.
@@donaldlouwe3939 yeah but fox doesn’t like to take the risk so I’m not surpsrised Nick doesn’t as well. Fox Sports always remove the highlights when posting TH-cam clips
FYI = Kareem did win the FMVP in 1980 AFTER Magic's great game 6 but because Kareem was not present, CBS did not want to present the award to an empty chair, so the voters were asked to change their votes so Magic would win the award. This is all covered in the book titled "Kareem" pages 140-141. Kareem really does have a legit case for the #1 place. Thank you for the work you have put into this series. Kareem in the 85 Finals - after his terrible game 1, was incredible!!
Kareem is #1 on my list.
The most highly decorated player in the history of the sport of Basketball.
I 100% Agree! KAJ is my #1 as well. You can debate who is 1 thru 3 in the NBA, but from High School, to College to the Pros, there is one Man....Kareem! Best BB career ever! I would put him up there with Bill Russell and Ali for off the court as well!
R.I.P. the GREAT William Felton Russell ☘️
Nick is 100% spot on the last 5 minutes of this show, especially the Gold/Silver medal analogy.
If this actually LeBron then Nick might have pulled the plot twist of the century 😳
Right he played it up till the very last second like there wasn’t a sole who didn’t know hed have LeBron no.1
nah bron has nick crossdressing photo montage in a hard drive. he would put bron as woman of the year if he could
@@steve13191 Jordan Stan detected
@@DWADEDABEST243 *jordan stan deleted*
@@steve13191 imagine saying nothing about basketball in a basketball discussion
“Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!” Nick, I felt like I was sitting on a jury and you were Kareem’s high priced attorney. I must admit, your argument is EXTREMELY compelling. In fact, as an admitted Jordan or bust guy, I am in deliberations over an issue that I felt was settled. Great job!
Well.
Let's put it like this bc people tend to look at Kareem but don't fully grasp how old he was.. Nick used a lot of Kareem's college numbers.
Now.. What would Jordan (and any other top 10 player) college numbers look like if they had played in college from 1966-1969??..
Think Jordan or any of the others would've won a few rings throughout the 70s??...
Kareem was great. For sure. But the stats do not tell the whole story.
Kareem was in the same position as Wilt and Bill.. His younger years were def in an different era..and any top 20 player would've dominated had they played in the same era as well.
Most....MOST... GMs are drafting Jordan before they draft Kareem.. And that's the way I look at "GOAT Lists" bc it's all subjective.. But. Who would get drafted first most often?..
This "debate" will never go away.
I'm just thankful I don't have that "must rank!" Mindset.
I love watching all the great players. My GOAT is Jordan. But. Hey.. LeBron is pretty fkn good, too.
Kareems 6 titles Kareem won 2 finals mvps
Here’s the episode with highlights
th-cam.com/video/Lg5nHTnXEJU/w-d-xo.html
Kareem was ELITE for 20yrs ppl. Longevity, durability, & productivity at THAT high of a level DOES make this a valid argument. I bet he avg atleast 5-7 blocks per game those 1st 4yrs too
It does if he achieved more 🤷🏻♂️ but he did not lol
Your argument is dumb
Maybe 1-3 steals per hame
Thank you Nick for the tremendous list and weekly episode of the 50 best players in the last 52 years
Why the last 52yrs? So he could overrate Kareem and cut Russell (RIP) and Wilt.
This was a very informative series. You learned the individual greatness of each player he talked about in each episode. A lot of them you probably didn't realize accomplished as much as they did.
Imagine Kareem vs Lebron in the Finals for 10 years straight if Kareem played in this era. Both never slowing down approaching their 40s.
No beef having Kareem ranked over “your favorite” player. Kareem was that great and his total numbers makes him a true Legend in Basketball History.
Not too big of a deal to hav him over Jordan but it's blasphemy to have Bron above either of them
@@terricarter9435 it's all demographics/identity politics to you
@@terricarter9435 We all knew Nick was gonna have Bron #1. But honestly, every argument for Lebron at #1, Kareem has a better case unless you just prefer one play style over the other. I, for one, can't see any legit argument for the best player in NBA history having a losing finals record when no one else in the conversation has a losing finals record. It means from the jump you have to make excuses for him. He didn't dominate his era (based on wins), his stats aren't so far above his competition to give him an edge (like Wilt), he doesn't have the most accolades in NBA history by a long shot, he didn't have the highest peak, and his longevity stats are all trumped by Kareem. Nick should start his #1 ranking by just saying he loves Lebron and that's why he has him #1.
@@gumballwaterson1957 I agree with this take…after listening to this video having Lebron over Kareem is extremely egregious especially when you have to make so many excuses for his finals record.. Kareem’s numbers are ridiculous I’ve seen Lebron’s whole career which was impressive but the Kareem numbers are an encyclopedia itself.
While a lot of people disagree with Nick, I feel like he provides more actual facts and evidence when presenting his case than the vast majority of sports media/fans. People often back up their takes with feelings; he breaks down the history.
I completely agree. However, using Nick's facts and evidence against him Magic is Kareems best argument for not being number 2. I actually didn't realize just how great Magic was until I watched this series. Now I think Kareem is bit overrated.
Lots of emphasis on numbers, with quiet tone, "but they lose". Opposite was done on Jordan video.
@@chickhearn4ever779 couldn’t agree more
@@chickhearn4ever779 he's setting the stage to make lebron number 1 with all the losing
@@chickhearn4ever779 huh. Lose lose where
Thank you so much Nick Wright for such amazing breakdown of 50 of the greatest players in NBA history. I don't agree with all orders but doesn't matter because it was so much fun to watch/listen to for months.
Kareem's the basketball goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
Bro, your case proved that Kareem is ahead of LeBron man
I know
nick is a fool
I thought the same
He is
If we can get all of these episodes put together into a long video I would very much sit and listen to it again.
I think a playlist would suit you better. They might do that if they haven't already.
But all episodes in ONE video? You know how long that will be right? That's well over 10 hours. Maybe even over 20 hours. So a playlist of the episodes is just smarter overall from all angles.
@@diegobromfield well said
My dad was Mr. Basketball, George Mikan's "#1 Fan". Then, multiple times, I got to see Wilt LIVE with the Harlem Globetrotters. I "followed" Wilt into the NBA, for the (1959-)1960 season and have been a "rabid" NBA/ABA/NBL fan for SIXTY THREE YEARS. I've been making NBA/ABA/NBL GOAT lists FOR DECADES (mostly based on the ALL-LEAGUE yearly selections.
"TOUGHER ERAS"VS MAJOR EXPANSION: Over recent years we see this type of comment, " THE CAPTAIN KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR and then Micheal Jordan and it was during tougher eras than LeBron eras and yes that does matter a lot !" BUT, during KAJ's career, 7 years of the ABA (during the last 6 of which, the ABA's level was ON PAR with that of the NBA; and during the last 3 years of which, a legit argument could be made that the ABA was (slightly) better. This is PROVEN by the fact that former ABA teams played better than 50% ball (despite the ABA getting raped during the "Merger"); AND former-ABA players filled the post-merger ALL-NBA 1st-Teams and 2nd-Teams.
Then during MJ's career, the NBA ADDED SIX TEAMS IN JUST 8 YEARS! Tremendously watering down the average level of play/player/team; INEVITABLY leading to the best teams having incredible Won-Loss records (which makes MJ's team, the Bulls, AND their top opposition SEEM to be historically great teams).
Since 1996, the NBA has added ONE TEAM (in 26 YEARS!; including during LBJ's (so far) 20-year career) AND training and coaching methods have continued to improve AND INTERNATIONAL PLAY has exploded - the League has NEVER been more loaded with talent.
N.B. It's no coincidence that, prior to recent years, the NBA top records for most-wins-in-a-season happened in EXPANSION YEARS: 1969, 1972, 1996 etc.
That was actually a really interesting comment to read. Thanks for taking the time to write it.
Isn’t the ABA & NBA game played totally different?
@@jamespuso1627 You're most welcome! Thanx for the comment.
@@tyjohnson3111 Their games could NOT have been that different - the two leagues played each other in many, many exhibition games (iirc, over a hundred games). EARLY ON, the NBA won most of them; but the ABA caught up and won so many games that overall they overcame that early deficit and ended up winning the majority of the games.
There WERE some significant differences (only the ABA had the 3-ball then) and the ABA was called a "Forwards' League" - especially because of Dr J, Rick Barry and a number of other greats at that position. They DID play a little more open, run-and-gun style. Personally, I liked that style better, btw.
Jordan fans will tell you the watering down is actually a good thing because it made the league more fair, even though everybody knows that at least 5 of the teams Jordan beat in the finals had no chance in any other era.
Amazing series I look forward to this every Sunday! Then the debate Monday with Broussard lol
Thinkin about it, Nicks list wouldve been anti climatic if he ranked Bron number 2. .. Nobody wouldve listened to his final episode ranking Kareem 1. This way, everyone tunes into next week to see how he validates Bron as his GOAT
Wow, how perspicacious of you! Lol.
He's been talking about LeBron being the greatest of all time for 6 years, he's not going to convince anybody who doesn't already think it lol
Emphasis on “HIS” GOAT
Point well made, but "climaCtic."
It’s not strange to rank bron 1. I would have tuned in more to see him try and validate Kareem 1 lol
The infomation you provided was second to none. The Rankings are very debatable
Would love to hear a series like this for the greatest sports franchises of all time
It’s gotta be lakers at number 1
@@mistaincredible2573 NYY
Of course it is America’s team, the Dallas Cowboys, the only football team that God himself watches on Sundays, Mondays and Fridays.
@@StLloyd and they have been the 3rd worst franchise since they last won 💀
If we only look at a 6 year period the SFG 2010-2014
lol
Would love to have nick do one about greatest quarterbacks list
Great idea, so many people are asking for more lists , another great addition
He's waiting for mahomes to potentially be number 1 before he ranks him
Solid case, Nick.
Add Outlawed dunking in college because of his raw ability. So he perfects the sky hook, the most unstoppable, dependable, assist friendly posture ever in any era. ( including Wilt and Russell)
Its nba players. Not basketball but good point
Thank you for this series Nick. Looking forward to the GOAT's episode.
That was the previous ep man
Name it Kareem already
I feel like some of Kareem’s success has to be attributed to the fact he had “the 4th best player of all time” on his team…. For the majority of their success the number 4 and number two best players all time were on the same team??? That has to matter when looking at their accomplishments in comparison with Jordan and Lebron
The fact he had an all time great on his team and still did the damage he does just reemphasizes his substantial greatness cause he shared the floor with a GOAT and still gave you 30-15-5 on most nights and won all those chips and records, people act like just cause Magic was there that he wasn’t given them that work, and even the game 6 performance by Magic, a case could be made that Kareem still deserved finals MVP because he averaged 30-10-5 in those finals
Kareem is also a HUGE reason why Magic is number 4.
@@blackwonderandre nonsense lol. Magic was a point guard the GOAT PG. his job was to MAKE SURE things were EASY for Kareem. Y'all gonna stop holding on to these fairy tales as arguments.
@@IknowMoreThanYou so Kareem wasn’t balling before magic?
@@tommyg421 He didn't win consistently without Magic. Pippen was great, but certainly not top 10, and probably not top 20 either. Probably top 30.
Nick is the best speaker of any type and in any era to be this successful without looking at the camera. 😂
We all know it's Kareem 2, Swaggy P at 1. LeBron unranked.
Eish; bet Lebron James just missed out!!
😂😂😂
The argument for Kareem as the GOAT instead of Jordan makes sense. However, I don't see how the argument for Lebron as the GOAT instead of Kareem or Jordan can measure up.
lebron and his 2011 finals meltdown
We can start with him not losing in the 1st round in the playoffs until 2021
Guess you'll have to watch next week and see the case he makes. I think LeBron will have a stronger case than people think
@@JayDaMan420 while playing garbage Teams in the first round prior to that year
@@JayDaMan420 that's a silly stat. You're ignoring the seasons LBJ didn't make the playoffs at all.
My man Nick Right again with the correct top 2 players of all time.
I LOVE THIS!!!
By the way, great series, don't agree with some rankings, but that's subjective. Great work either way.
The longevity aspect is very valid! The best ability is availability!!!
Sure, its like saying: Size doesnt matter. Its the how you use it.
the best part about this series is saying why the player deserves the spot rather than saying they don't deserve a better spot.
Keep up the good work Nick. Jenna, Wilds, Bru and yourself have a great show. I'd love to see a weekly podcast with the whole crew.
They should do that
The show is a podcast mon to Friday what more do u want lol
Nick's a bit too cocky. Skip, SAS, all paid their dues by being journalists then take artist. Nick started in radio as an option guy. On TV he acts like he's the only one to discovered Basketball Ref and Wiki lol.
@@kishonesnard8195 that’s true
Very informative Nick.
46-25 as a rookie to win your first playoff series ever just ridiculous
Jordan won as a many Finals mvps as Lebron and Kareem combined, as many 1st team all defense selections as both of them combined, while winning more scoring titles and Dpoy than both of them combined, winning more Threepeats than both of them combined, and dominates in all advanced stats.. and he did all of that while playing less seasons than both of them and retiring in his prime... and Jordan also didn’t have a size advantage like both of them had...
Jordan is the Goat
Does he dominate in Win Shares?
@@tyjohnson3111 yes, he’s 1st in Win Shares per 48
@@2682shark 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@2682shark
Wait did I just read you’re blaming players for their size 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@tyjohnson3111 no you read that Jordan dominated the league while not having a size advantage
Ps: Micheal Cooper there, great call and great player. Not many guy won 6th man and DPOY, and not many guy can say "I'm the only guy who can guard the MVP", but he did. I think that if we make a list of the greatest role player of the last 50 years, he's in top 10.
Nick is right
THANK YOU NICK WRIGHT FOR TELLING US THE TRUTH ABOUT BASKETBALL PLAYERS HISTORY AND STATISTIC
“Truth” lol
Who's been lying to you?
Nick RIGHT!!
I feel like Kareems argument for being higher than Jordan is the same one for being higher than LeBron so I have no earthly idea what argument he's gonna make for LeBron at 1 lol
Nick is the best
I love that this list can’t make me mad lol
I feel bron, kareem, and jordan all have good arguments for goat so I’m never mad at the order anyone puts them…
I didn’t like Iverson high 20 placements and luka being 20 but other than that I love the list
Idc what order you put the top 3
I can make an argument against lebron. You need stats and rings to be towards the top of these lists and lebron would have one maybe two if he didn’t team hop and ring chase. Kareem had magic but he joined before they even drafted him so he wouldn’t know. Jordan had pippen but again, Jordan was there first and they drafted pippen. I don’t reward ring chasers who join teams force them to spend every drop of capital they have to trade for all Star buddies then leave once they’re dried up or his hall of fame teammates show any sign of decline in their game.
Here’s the episode with highlights
th-cam.com/video/Lg5nHTnXEJU/w-d-xo.html
@@limitedbom2206 none of this is a good argument to me …
1. He’s a free agent and can go to where ever he wants .
2. He wasn’t fortunate enough to get a magic or pippen drafted to the cavs but I guess that’s his fault for keeping them out of the lottery and they don’t land kyrie if he doesn’t win
3. He was leader on all 3 of those teams never played robin
4. Most stars ring chase but y’all don’t count the unsuccessful attempts
5. Nothing you said had to do with actual game …players can put themselves i positions to win if the franchise won’t
All of that is excuses because we see teams before Lebron and after levron come together to win and it doesn’t happen
Y’all will say Lebron had superteams then say 2012 heat can’t beat 96 bulls
Then I say well if that’s the case that would make the bulls a superteam then y’all screaming no lol this my only response
Luka being 20 is less egregious than Kareem over Jordan, Luka is already 2nd(at worst 4th) best player in the game, unless he gets hurt or fall off a cliff he's going to be top 15 without trying. Kareem can't dribble shoot or pass, lets not forget nicks arguments for reem on first take were: highschool, college, what he did with magic and the media doesn't like him. Not many basketball things in there, other than longevity stats.
@@MoXy33 why y’all tryna convince me lol Idgaf who ppl have as the goat lol like idc if you wanna put jordan 1 or kareem 1 they all have an argument… and longevity is a good thing no clue why y’all try and act like it’s not but you got it
Nick is always Wright
Given the research that Nick had to perform to do this series, this was an amazing effort. I totally agree with his final three but IMO....the order is wrong. Still.......great job of work!!!
Rip Bill Russel
Nick keep up the good work
Next weeks video going to be nuts. I’m a huge Bron fan and just can’t make any argument that he’s the 🐐. Legit only Nick Wright can make the argument and make it make sense
If you can’t make any argument then you don’t know basketball lol
I can make a argument that no one can debate me on. But most ppl don’t have any set criteria 🤷♂️
@@MLEMOBLIFEENTERTAINMENT make it
Haha Nick Wright only makes to people who need to study the games history. Nick lies and omits context A LOT to suit his narrative
LeGreatest is obviously number 1. Great list Nick
Cringe. No.
🐐👑
Goat JAMES.
Yeah obvs has to be Bron at #1 unless…… it’s Jason Terry 🤔
I think nick is right about his points about how mostly the media does this by using an argument to protect Jordan’s legacy and then the same argument to hurt Lebron or Kareem’s legacy
How is Kareem better than Jordan? If Jordan had Oscar, Magic, Scott, Worthy, we wouldn’t hear the end from it from nut riders like you. 🤔🤫
Jordan’s legacy does not need protection.
The only argument people use against Lebron, is losing.
You can’t be #1 at any sport and be a loser
@@Norel_Nieves right right …. Um remind me how many seasons did jordan play and how many rings oh right so he lost to thanks .
@@soulzy3596 Jordan won 6 championships in 15 seasons. LeBron won 4 in 19.
@@joequinones7763 alright …. they both have fmvps for every single win , lebron is more all around and more versatile all while being top 5 scorer and top 10 assist ( unheard of ) plus in a harder league 🤷🏼♂️
Why is it never taken into consideration that for most of Kareem's career, half of the best players in the world were in the ABA. That's gotta be taken into account in my opinion.
still woulda been the top dog in the league otherwise
@@sgprince06 we don’t know that do we?
@@tomstorm7926 i dont see why he wouldnt be
@@sgprince06 because it’s not smart to just assume someone would dominate in sports in a whole different era. I’d like to think coaches and schemes got a lot smart over the years and knew how to stop certain players more so the in the past. Besides the evolution factor.
@@tomstorm7926 im saying who in the ABA was better than Kareem?
Little known fact is that Dr J was drafted to the Bucks in 1972. Because of rights disputes and a judge ruling, he ended up in the ABA. If he had stayed with the Bucks, Kareem would've easily been the consensus greatest ever.
That’s not little known. That’s for the casuals who don’t know the history of the game. That’s for the people who discredit the levels of competition in eras as if the players are in control of it.
You don’t seem to be one of those though.
If Dr.J signs with the Bucks, does Kareem go to LAL?
@@tyjohnson3111 Most people are casuals but I get your point. And no, I don't think so. At least not that early. The Dr J thing is probably the single biggest "What If?" in NBA history.
@@fnjigsaw I think eventually they would have separated and Bob’s value could have caused him to get traded before 77’.
The description gives it away, it's Kareem
Lol wow you're right
Awesome personal researcher, I can see your heart and soul in each video.
If this is lebRon so Nick can say he’s unbiased ill be in awe
Or delusional. Anyone that thought lebron would be 2 is
Folks need to stop getting upset over others opinions on the goat topic..
Quality over Quantity: Mike in 11 full seasons with the Bulls accomplished more in half the time as Kareem and LeBron. Plus Mike was never out played in the playoffs and won 6 Finals MVPs (greatest record in the NBA)
BRO STOP IT MIKE HAD GOAT HEAD COACH AND SCOTTIE PIPPEN. Without those two he a CHOKE IN THE PLAYOFFS.
@@coreythomas3633
Who is Pippen in your eyes? Dude was a 19ppg player in the finals. Lebron had Dwade with 21 Kyrie with 27, and AD with 25. (these are just the won finals, averages go higher if you include the lost ones)
You act like he was on par with Jordan.
@@arguseyed9982
He’s not supposed to be his equal. He was supposed to supplement him as a #2 option on offense and PRIMARY PLAYMAKER.
You keep harping on the Finals averages but not the playoff ones…I wonder why.
@@tyjohnson3111 Cuz thats what matters most?
@@arguseyed9982
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 that’s the ultimate casual take. Do the games to get to the championship matter less?
So you literally must be one of the people who rather lose in the 1st Round than lose in the Finals. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 With that logic
This is probably the best break down I’ve ever heard.
I really sat here, like the undertaker streak was broken (in disbelief), thinking he had Kareem number 1 up til he finally said it 😅😅
I personally have Kareem at 1. Unguardable,6 MVPs,6 Rings. Crazy longevity.
I got Kareem 3rd. His teams basically disappeared in a watered down ‘70s. And in most of the 80s Magic was the better player.
@@aswanwilliam
This isn’t true.
@@aswanwilliam
He was apart of 3 60+ Win Teams & 3 50-59 Win Teams in the decade of parity that wouldn’t be matched until the late 2000s/early 2010s.
2 Finals Appearances & 6 Conference Finals Appearances.
Didn’t play on a super team outside of 71’ Bucks.
Faced off agaisnt 70’s Knicks, 72’ Lakers, 73’ Knicks, 74’ Celtics, 76’ Celtics & 77’ Blazers--all considered “superteams”; and their records would hold suit to that.
All he’s done is promote Kareem over lebron for 2nd all time. Jordan is a hall of fame career above Kareem and Kareem is way above lebron. It’s not Jordan’s fault he played to max out. He should be applauded for accomplishing that much in 13 full seasons. (Really, 11).
Thank you!
Thanks Nick. I agree with your top 3. A very informative and entertaining series thank you!
Facts bro
Lol reading stat lines for an hour is entertaining?
@@Joes35 why not try watching the series?
@@GIGAFAT3 I do. Did he not recite stat line for 40 of the 50 mins?
no
Great series Nick. I've only really been watching the NBA for the last decade, and whilst I had some knowledge of the big names from the past the detail of the information youve given has been outstanding, I've really learned so much - Magic's numbers were a real stand out, knowing he was all-time great but the numbers blew me away. Great stuff, really enjoyable series.
Bbref has everything he cited. Nick doesn't know stats
@@Chronz thanks for the clarification, I really thought Nick had memorised all of these statistics and wasn't reading them throughout. The way he presented the information was clearly what I enjoyed. But yeah, thanks for your input.
@@Chronz bitter. Lol
Total Achievements: (Titles / MVPs / Finals MVPs / 1st All-NBA / 1st All-DEF / Scoring Titles)
1) Jordan = 46
2) LeBron = 31
2) Kareem = 31
4) Kobe = 30
5) Duncan = 28
6) Wilt = 23
7) Magic = 20
8) Russell = 19
9) Shaq = 18
10) Bird = 17
11) Hakeem = 16
12) Durant = 15
There's a bunch of players with 14 Achievements.
Stephen Curry has 13 Achievements.
At the age of 27, Giannis has the best shot to make it into the Top 10...he already has 12 Achievements.
I have loved this series and list so I am not a hater here. But to say that Luka is at 20 because of a precedent you have set but then not include Giannis in the top ten when you have said you believe hes going to finish in the top ten shows a lack of consistency. Thats why people are mad about the Luka ranking, it doesnt make sense.
Bingo. And while Shaq was listed in the top 50 (his argument) Shaq was also not ranked. It was just a grouping for Shaq. He specifically has Luka at 20, and yet somehow doesn't have Jokic on the list AT ALL? It's inconsistent......
It doesn't need to make sense. Because this series is a personal ranking. Personal ideas, personal takes. Every single personal list, take or opinion in sport context is fanatical and cannot be considered objective. I kept an open mind to watch this as if I was watching a history documentary about ancient Egypt or something
@@jujutaco8487 He says that he put Luka there because of a precedent he had set about projecting their ranking. Hes said on First things first and his podcast he believes Giannis will be top ten yet didnt put him there? He’s contradicting himself which doesn’t make sense. And saying a list doesn’t need to make sense is just a silly argument lol
I scream when i seen this idk how to feel lol 😂 But i respect it 🔥🔥💯💯💯💯
Does it not matter at all, that among the three supposed GOAT candidates, one of them was sort of... a normal-sized human being (hands not included)? Isn't it way more impressive to completely dominate the league as a player who's traditionally the fourth smallest guy on a team? If a few extra years of peak productivity matter, then surely the added challenge of not being gigantic should matter as well.
Kareem the 🐐 imo
Nobody will ever consistently dominate that position like him ever again closest was shaq but Kareem did it for almost twice as long
The only significant player with a comparable career in length is lebron but Kareem has more post season and regular season success besides finals mvps which he should have more of
picking hairs bw him and lebron and I would argue if you switch their situations for their careers lebron would have just as much success but I would say that’s on lebron for not only empowering himself to win chips but in doing that he empowered every other top 5 player. I cut him no slack for facing those warriors teams because who set the precedent for those teams being formed
How a G.O.A.T can have a losing record, is beyond my intelligence. That aside, you did a very good job with this. Thanks for taking the time to give us an indepth look at history. 👌🏾💯
Because goat is individual. Championships are a team accomplishment
How can a GOAT only go to 6 finals and play overmatched teams none of which were better than the San Antonio Spurs or Golden State Warrior teams. Tough for Kareem since he had Magic and tough for Magic since he had Kareem.
Same thing like people calling Messi or Ronaldo the goat. But they never even reached the Fifa world cup final
@@bgood4449 How can a goat hand pick his teams and still have a losing record in the finals...cp3 beatin the warriors and spurs with less talent on his team so they not unbeatable
since when is not making to the finals is better then losing in the finals, y’all act like jordan only played 6 seasons🤦🏽♂️
The block situation is pretty easy: top rebounder of the 60s/early 70s averaged 7-8bpg. Philly tracked (unofficially, but it's the same guy who then lead the NBA official stat team for years, so it's reliable) Wilt's number from 65 to 68, and he averaged 9.2bpg. We have data from a few of Russell's (RIP legend) best game, and he averaged 8+bpg in those games. And mind that for both guys, grabbing a shot mid air and coming down with the ball was considered a steal, not a block in 60s.
So I think it's fair to say that probably Kareem had something between 5 and 8 bpg in those years, and so he should be rightfully third all time, behind Wilt and Bill. It's not official, it's a rough estimation, but I think it's a fair one.
With Russels passing I hope Nick makes a honorable mentions list abt older guys like Bill and Wilt 🙏 rip to the legends
Nick made his list specifically to insult Wilt and especially Russell. Why the greatest of the last 50yrs? Why not since Bird and Magic got drafted or since the '77 merger? Oh that's right Kareem was draft 50yrs ago so..... RIP King Bill Russell.
R.I.P. Bill Russell.
Over under on how many times little Nicky fixes his hair. 38x
Over😂
You can argue that he's not number two all time. You can't deny that there is at least a case to be made that he's number two all time. Kareem is an all time great and if he's not at least in your top ten then you probably don't know much about basketball.
So the second greatest player has more rings and mvps than the "#1 player Lebron", and less finals mvp, less scoring titles, less all defensive teams than the "3rd best ever", Jordan. In fact, both #1 and #2 on the list accomplished less than #3 while playing much longer. What a joke of a list. 🤣
Jordan having more finals mvps doesn't make him better than lebron or having more rings. He played way weaker competition. Yall love throwing team dominance into individual accomplishments and lebron and kareem played at a high level for 2 decades.
@@sportstalkonly1442 Lebron loss against the Dallas Maverick because he underperformed.
@@markthompson8246 and your point is?
Kareem was a monster
Excellent list! Eager to hear LeBron's episode!
TH-cam doesn't allow explicit homosexual acts on its platform. He'll make an "OnlyStan" for that.
@nickwright, I officially think you are the best in your profession! Keep up the great analysis and content
Wtf 😳
Nick: Great series. On this one especially, it would have been a far better video if you made 3 arguments why he's better than Jordan and then supported that with numbers. The avalanche of data is mind-numbing.
I'm not upset about this
This would be a wild concept...have people like Nick, Broussard, Stephen A, & Skip sit in a film session with someone like JJ Reddick, Richard Jefferson, and/or Grant Hill and have them (the "analysts") tell the former players what they see on the tape. Then let the players explain what is actually happening on the play and why things are important. Would be very insightful.
Skip would never lol, but agreed
Kareem statistically was a better basketball player than Michael Jordan. So I agree with this ranking
The way he set it up I knew there was no chance it was Lebron
You really just found out who`s gonna be number 1? When he announced this series was my final clue.
Nich the goat wright. Still write the book my guy!
Nick keep putting pressure on Jordan fanboys✊🏿 plz let bru have it
Lol literally nobody discussed nicks list last week. Luka at 20 alone makes this list a complete joke. But keep thinking y’all making a point
@@Joes35 you got alot of hate in your heart homie…. And luka being at 20 is crazy, however my post said nothing about luka, good job grasping for straws tho
@@demetrius2607 lol hate in your heart? Some of y’all soft af. Anytime you hear something you don’t like, “you’re a hater”. Lol good comeback.
I’m just laughing at you thinking this list is relevant to anyone except Nicks chorus of lebron fan boys. Literally no one cares about this list. Even FS1 didn’t discuss it except FTF. Nicks show. Everyone else taking it for the joke it is. Everyone talked about bill Simmons book of basketball when it came out. Because it was an actual objective look at the nba. Not some fan boys home made list.
@@Joes35 It's his opinion at the end of the day. If you think Jordan is #1 then cool! If you think Bron is the Goat, also cool! Tho these debates are fun at times, but people's opinions aren't up for debate.......my opinion! 🤣
@@Joes35 hypocrisy is real, you out here typing a whole book and trying to invalidate a sports commentator knowledge because he’s saying stuff YOU DONT WANT TO HEAR. If you truly don’t like something, don’t consume the product old man🤷🏾♂️ business class 101
you almost had me there nick😂 legoat!
LeBron could actually break Kareem's FGM record with three or four more solid years which I think is feasible because he's shown no signs of slowing down.
No.1 to me
It’s Kareem says it in the description
You’re so smart 😅
I love how calling the guy with the most rings,points and MVPs of the 3 is a “hot take”
It just shows how easily people can eat up a narrative.
LeBron easily the greatest ever, but the media has brainwashed mf’s 😂 those 80’s, and 90’s watchers have nostalgia watching Jordan and the bulls , and that’s facts
I've loved this series so far and I can't wait for the #1 video.