LeBron's 4th title w/ Lakers keeps him in GOAT race vs Jordan - Broussard | NBA | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Chris Broussard joins the show to continue the LeBron James versus Michael Jordan greatest of all time debate. Broussard feels LeBron's 4th title with the Los Angeles Lakers keeps him in the GOAT race versus Jordan, while Jordan remains #1.
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Who do you think is the GOAT: LeBron James or Michael Jordan?
Caruso
Jordan is the best offensive player and best defensive player in nba history! Is this really even a question? 😂🤷♂️
right NOW, it's m.j., but it WILL be lebron by the time lbj LEAVES the game
LeBron for me
Jordan
Broussard why r u yelling at me
had to low my volume all the way down
LEBRAWWWNNN
He aint da same when he THOUGHT he had the scoops on Leonard.
Nick be spitting straight indisputable facts and everybody act like what he says is outlandish 🙄
@nabil chowdhury explain how anything he said is rewriting history? please explain
@nabil chowdhury misuses stats? Wtf are you talking about
Nick Wright is about to shed tears 😂😂Straight facts u say.. MJ is the only person to ever win DPOY and the scoring title in the same season. And he led the league in steals that same season. Led league in steals 3x, won DPOY, 5 MVPs. And nvr winning against Larry Bird... sure but that was a team with at least 5 HoFers and MJ was alone. And Larry Bird himself after playing against MJ said that he saw *God disguised as Michael Jordan* . MJ didn’t lose for lack of effort. This the same dude who questioned his own coaches and upper management for trying to tank and lose to get good draft picks. He said winning is the point of every game, if we’re not trying to win then why are we playing basketball... he gave everything every single game. LeBron and his ‘load management’ would never fly with MJ.. ever. He nvr cheated the fans out of seeing him play and his greatness. The figure and aura that was Michael Jordan was unlike anything we’ve witnessed. LeBron will never be able to top that
@@Ttcw89 Jordan retired twice so clearly he cheated the fans. Cmon bud do you even think before typing
100% MJ stans are ridiculous. No point in arguing with them. They're like the old drunks at the pub telling you how great 1955 was
Chris Broussard and Nick wright have so much chemistry, they need a show permanently
Its an absolute TRAVESTY they put Marshall in over Broussard man smh
@@NiccFurious facts
Definitely drop rob parker and Brandon Marshall and let him do the show / radio
They definitely do! Would love to see it always!
I miss C.C tho. This pairing is still nice.
Let’s just be honest. Jordan never faced a team better than his in the finals. 6-0 is incredible but his opponents were not.
Yeah, it’s called having the better team. You go to the Finals to WIN, not beat difficult opponents.
Gabriel Mambo ... 😂 bro what?
the fact that the Jazz scored like 54 points in a game is just laughable ... watch the game its not even like the defense was that great they were jagging layups and wide open shots
@@kbwoo8871 Are you seriously laughing at my comment? One based on common sense and obvious facts? Seriously, these types of mindsets ruin basketball debates. If you have facts to prove things, cool, we can agree to disagree but bro...you play to win, regardless of the challenge. Maybe the 90s teams should have been better...you know, since you’re trying to get a title.
You jump right to the Finals and talk about competition lmao 🤦🏽♂️ there’s something called the first second and third rounds you need to go thru to get there. LeBron has NVR aced the same competition level that MJ had to face to even get to the Finals. So chalk up LeBrons Finals opponents but skip over the path to get there.. MJ had to face far superior competition to make the Finals. And MJ kept how many All time great players top 50 players from winning a Ring?? Everyone won on LeBron’s watch as CB said.. against LeBron they won, they ate. If you’re going to proclaim yourself as GOAT (which no real superstar would do and they haven’t other than LeBron) then someone of your stature needs to at least win s couple games vs those KD Warriors, don’t get swept twice in the Finals. You don’t lose with that Miami heat team 4-1 to the Spurs in 2014. And you definitely don’t leave and manufacture a big 3 to win rings only to have a historic meltdown to the Mavericks in 2011, probably the worst we’ve seen from a Superstar of his caliber ever.. in his 8th year
“I agree, the years Jordan won championships nobody else won championships” 😂😂😂
Lmao he missed the point cuz it didn’t fit his narrative. He was saying wen Jordan hit his peak nobody was winning anything
@@Shad43 except the years he didn’t win lmao
Nick vs skip would be ultimate
@@BatmanvsJesus but what Chris was saying was, once Jordan figured out everything he needed he was never losing again nobody in the east or west won. Bron got to the finals but other players still rings lmao not the case for mj
@@Shad43 MJ was the favorite every single year. He never faced adversity once we had a super team. Before that, he never accomplished a single thing.
nick wright's board of FIVE cases against m.j. is ALL FACTS. lol LOVE this guy, he keeps it a BUCK
it really aint but ok
I mean, what’s not true?
All facts? All of these but one are either taken completely out of context or are outright wrong
I mean Jordan’s career before Pippin wasn’t great. He kept getting wrecked in the early rounds of the playoffs. I’ll take loses in the finals over loses in the first and second rounds. And I’d bet you a lot of people would agree.
He always does. People that hate on Nick Wrights opinions are more often than not Jordansexuals. The worst fans in Basketball. Lol
“The year Jordan won championships no one else won championships. I don’t think that’s a compelling point.” 🤣🤣
lmao!!!! a lot of people didnt catch that. nick murdered his lebron argument today. no cap
@AnObviousUsername the reason Lebron's trophycase is much lighter compared to MJ is because of excuses. Valid excuses, but still, same can be applied to almost any player. No I'm not blaming Bron one but for anything besides 2011 (maybe a few other minor instances), but that's just how it is. Let's not forget that Bron also has the luxury to handpick players to play on his team, and very few stars get to do so. Bron's a top 2 player ever undoubtedly but like you said, they worship Jordan but those people like Nick who think Bron is the GOAT do the exact same thing if not even more than those who believe it's Jordan
@@JohnJones-fn9df bruh the 2014 spurs are one of the best teams of the 2010's
@@johnnybaxter1953 They were a very good team, but with the exception of Kawhi they were very old.
"The points weren't powerful" LMAO Broussard has lost it. Nick said nothing but facts! He has been owning every single argument on this show for a while now!"
Yup
But these are the things Chris loves to ignore.
Those so called facts are misleading. Jordan got out of the first round after Scottie was drafted but Scottie barely played his first couple of years and averaged around 8 points. Duncan won his first title after Jordan retired so did hakeem.
Jordan is the GOAT
@@tchallal6684 Duncan got drafted in 97 nice try he was a rookie.😂😂😂
Nick Wright does have a great point every one just counts Jordan's 6 ring years.
MJ even in the series he’s lost was still the BEST players. Nick pointed out that Bron brought a team with no All Stars to the Finals. Bron got swept by that team and he wasn’t the best player on the floor. The difference is Bron didn’t have to face the Spurs in the first round.
MJ faced the Celtics twice in the first round whose won the chip those years and than faced the Pistons in the first round whose won the chip.
Imagine if Bron would have faced the Warriors and the Spurs in the first round during his first 7 years with the Cavs. MJ faced these teams his first 3 seasons and still was the BEST player on the court.
That's all they got left. LBJ has destroyed their childhood fantasy and they hate him for it
@@richardnewsome2324 sounds like to me mJ gets passes and and LBJ Don't. So what. He played who was there to play whenever he played them. He lost. He lost. If you're not gonna give exemption to LeBron about whom he faced then Mike gets none either
Vincent Jackson yeah but MJ never lost a final to a team he was better than, LBJ lost to Dallas in 2011, even though he had 2 all stars, he got outplayed by a 33 year old bench player, which was Jason Terry and lost to the spurs in 5 games, with a 15 point record margin, MJ has never lost a final to a team the bull were better than.
dude ask all the superstars including Lebron who played in the NBA how hard it is to win a championship when your are the leader of the team. That's why titles matter in the GOAT debate.
Chris, so we can assume the stage was too big for LeBron but when MJ performs worse we can't assume???
Right
@@jimmyb4361 lol excatly wtf
It never happened
Darrell Wilkins Jordan scored 18 points in a first round playoff game against the Celtics. He lost. Jordan went 9-25 in game 7 against the pacers in 1998. Kukoc bailed him out with 7-11 in that game. Pippen also bailed him out a bunch of times.
@@firstlast9916 then what is scoring 8 points vs a team in the finals against a team that shouldn't have even been there? Bron's is no doubt on NBA's Mt Rushmore but he's far from passing Jordan imo
Wow, I'm quite impressed by Nick Wright. He's well-prepared.
But he was inaccurate lol
He said that Robinson, Duncan, Shaq, and Kobe won on Jordan's watch. That is a straight up lie
He's not well prepared he's just not being challenged Correctly!
Man's is 1 v 4
@@Juice-Mayne Jordan was in the league in 02 and 03
@@dedricklane4899 he was old lmao
This has the potential to become an all-time rant. Nick completely dismantled these skewed Jordan talking points that never really get challenged in the media.
Bro please make more vids 🙏
He said all that about MJ but he’s still 6-0 in the finals...think about that. Still have more rings than Bron....Never lost a finals, never been to a game 7, always been the best player on the court OFFENSIVELY & DEFENSIVELY...
@@jamesmurphy4089 And Robert Horry is still 7-0 in the Finals. Horry has more rings than Jordan. Championships are team accomplishments. How many rings you have isn't indicative of how good or bad a player you are in a team sport.
@@TheRiggedBA was Robert Horry the number 1 scoring option on any championship team?...
@@jamesmurphy4089 Not at all, and he still got more rings. Which, again, shows how meaningless rings are in a player comparison.
As a Lakers fan and a Jordan fan, Nick brought some serious heat to Chris and Chris responded poorly. I’m all for this debate. Honestly, idk who’s goat. Nick presented great points, what it comes down to is really preference.
It was lot of waffling Nick made that and u are a LBJ choke fan and not a MJ fan or let alone even an NBA FAN!
So let me rebuttal some of them "great points" u thought Nick W did ....
1. MJ a loser without Scottie?
MJ played ALONE with 🗑️ teams vs HOF TEAMS that won Championships during the BEAST EAST in the 80's and yet MJ was the best player in the league!
2. Ate at MJ watch?
NOBODY ate at MJ watch as that starts with ur 1st Finals apparences until ur last and MJ was from 91-93 (retired in between) 96-98 so thats 2 different 3PEATS!
U welcome and stay out of basketball 🏀
Nick was just nit picking. The Eastern Conference was very tough in the 80s, Jordan didn't have the team around him to compete yet. That is what people forget about in these debates; it is a team game.
Jordan's ascension to the top was much tougher than what Lebron had to go through. That is another reason why MJ is the GOAT.
No. Lebron is the GOAT. Doesn’t matter what anyone prefers
Nah because you could butcher the argument that lebron is the goat. It fs is a preference.@@jrsmith1998
when brandon said "make the numbers look how you want to" as a comeback at nick, he was blatantly projecting: HE is the one making the numbers look how he wants them to; 1-9 is indisputably bad in itself, he's the one re-contextualizing it to gas Jordan (it's so obvious it's hilarious)
Yep 100%
Masterful work from my man nick today this was well played 💯
"played" indeed.
Nick told a bunch of half truths
Nick Wrong lol
I am a HUGE MJ fan. Huge. But let's face it, LBJ will have all personal records when it's all said and done
Kareem already had the stats whats your point bro? MJ is the GOAT and after LBJ retires this debate will go away just like it did with Kobe and the media will hype the next person to take their shot at MJ.
@@rolent23 lol who’s taking shots at mj?
Do you really think if Jordan didn't want all the records he would have them he didn't care
@@mikep1379 It was Kobe first getting his shot, next Lebron and after him we will see who the media wants to give the next shot to.
Lebron had stats to shoot for and he has been aiming and jordan stats so he can be the goat Jordan just got bored and retired and unretired
Nick the truth, omg! Dude a boss on the low!
LeBron's weakness is passing it to an open all-time great 3 point shooter
Sorry had to pause it after Jordan was called a total loser without Pippen. Nick Wright makes no sense. I'm out.
His regular season and playoff record in the years without Pippen is below 500. It sucks that your feelings got hurt by a fact.
@@omieg89 Pippen had nothing to do with scoring titles, defensive player of the year, pushing his team to win (while Pippen sits out of games throwing fits). Yet he doesn't apply that same logic to LeBron.
@@rodrigobarba930when has Lebron ever sat out because he was unhappy? 😂 It’s just fact that Jordan didn’t win until they were able to put the proper pieces around him. If Cleveland was able to do the same like Chicago Lebron probrbaly never leaves for Miami
Nick Wright just killed it!
Nick Wrong is a pathetic excuse for an analyst
this session will forever be known as Nick wright's greatest show ever. He absolutely torched Chris 'LEBRAWN' Broussard
My man Nick with The SMACK DOWN !!!!
Jordan also had a really good team that stayed together for all those years
98'finals pippen scored 8 points. Jordan put up 45 points, stole the ball, hit the game winner. Seems to me he did it without him.
Rewind back to the 98' regular season Pippen was injured for 48 games, MJ led the bulls to the playoffs by going 36-12 without him.
Rewind back to pippens 1st two seasons where he averaged 8 points per game and was a bench warmer.
Yes MJ was 1-9 "without pippen", but a solo MJ went against the 67 win celtics and the bad boy pistons.
Lebron couldn't even make the playoffs his first two years.
But he won more games
Lack context again. Jordan’s Bulls were under 500 when they made the playoffs both his first two years. Lebron got the Cavs over 500 by year 2. He missed the playoffs because it was a little tougher to make the playoffs in those years than it was in Jordan’s first two years.
Nick being outnumbered just like the rest of the world are in favor of MJ as the GOAT.
Yep
"They weren't wrong but they weren't strong." 🤦♂️
I swear even THE BIG IF Lebron ended his career with 7 rings.
MJ fans will say Lebron got it easy and MJ is the GOAT. I can see this is happening after they were bashing Lebron for having lesser rings in the past lmao
For someone being the goat and couldn’t win a playoff game against bird doesn’t look good to me. Not game not a game maybe he needed more practice.
Exactly
yeah, good argument. but once he got his first chip, he couldn't LOSE in the NBA FINALS. it wasn't bron's fault he had loses in the NBA FINALS. losing in the finals doesn't look good too.
@@ianneelcamel5954 LBJ got BRONZE at the world stage with our BEST. His whole career was always about teaming up and quitting and bailing, like AD did to the Pelicans.
mogtrader8 he has two gold medals with that bronze medal🤣🤣🤣
@@thedailyidiot4817 Exactly, he making excuses about team mates and he got Bronze at international play. He aint win no dunk contest, nor hit any big time game winners. People just delusional to even compare. Been on record that MJ saw challengers at his time and went out and beat them.
Why blaming Lebron only when he lost to Dallas, he was one of big 3 with Dwain Wade and Chris Bosh, Clippers meltdown PG is being blamed and not Kawhi
Nick wright bodied them lol
1. Other than his rookie year he lost to dynasties in the first round. When did Lebron ever beat a dynasty without another star?
2. When did lebron once beat duncan before getting another star?
3. He beat a two time champions in the pistons. But only valid point, no superteams but very good teams..
4. Thats just nonsense.. Shaq and penny, morning and timmy, indiana had a few all stars. Maybe they werent superteams but mike wasnt always paired with two all stars like LeBron was most of the time..
5. Naming Bird as someone who won on MJs watch?? So should we put down Billups as a star that won on LeBrons watch in his rookie year??
You are making his point. He doesn't even say these things. He is calling out a double standard. Praise mj in losses and pretend his shortcomings don't exist. Focus on lebron's failures and make excuses for his success.
2013
Bro what dynasties did Jordan beat. Lebron been destroying dynasties from the 11’ Celtics to the 13’ Spurs Jordan never beat a dynasty team he went against were average teams in the finals and won, he gets credit for that but stop acting like Jordan beat the warriors every year. And When has Jordan won a playoff game without an all star? shut up.
@@emmanueltafari8809 Jordan beat the teams that were in his era. Lebron didn't play the warriors every year. His team got dismantled by the 2010-2011 Dallas Mavericks. He was outscored by Jason Terry ( a bench warmer) in that series. He was the 3rd best scorer on his team. He also had a game in that series where he scored 8 points. Also, against those same Spurs dynasty you said he beat, they were beaten by a record margin in 2014.
Jordan fans always sound dumb
“No one won on jordans watch” what about 85-90?
“I meant starting in 91!” Didn’t he lose in 95 02 03
“
“Stop being a bronsexusal and jordan hater”
😂🤣🤣
Did Broussard just say Jordan kept Olajuwon from winning? Pretty sure that dude won 2 rings when MJ was busy quitting and then losing to the Magic that the dream swept in the finals...
I think the biggest thing that these debates need to have is context. Especially when talking about the rings.
Salute To Nick!!!
The Celtics ate, The Lakers ate, the pistons ate, Houston ate, he couldn't even beat Celtics even a single game in the playoffs, maybe Chris doesn't remember that 😂
Nick is absolutely right though
"Everyone ate on Michael's watch"
*Me: Excuse me ?*
Nick really used Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Robinson, Drexler to try and make it seem like MJ was getting schooled. Please none of those dudes beat MJ for a chip so no one ate against him when it come to the finals 😂😂😂.
Cause he couldn’t get there 😂😂
Everyone DID eat on Jordan's watch. Bird and Isiah would say so. So would Hakeem.
this is simple:Jordan's prime was higher than any player ever but Lebron is the best complete player
PHIL JACKSON. before MJ couldn’t win and after Phil. same thing for Kobe. Phil in the #1 common denominator. LBJ never had a Phil Jackson won with three different head coaches who don’t even have a fraction on the reassume that Phil Jackson had. Haters gone hate. They always find a way.
Hahahaha the East was weak😂😂😂. My goodness. I am sure that New York Knicks team which won 50 odd games in 92 and 60 games in 93 got their wins accidentally. I am sure that Orlando Magic team with Penny Hardaway and Shaquille O Neal which won 57 in 1995 and 60 in 1996 were weak. I am sure the Indiana Pacers were weak as well according to Nick. And then we don't even have to mention that 4 out of 6 of Jordan's final opponents was 60+ win teams. But who won rings when Jordan started winning in 1991? Only Hakeem right? When LeBron started winning, Durant won, Steph won, Kawhi won, Duncan won, etc.
And then he shamelessly shows 2pt % and did not show the distance from the basket ad well. Slick Wright as always
Yeah I am pretty sure Scottie Pippen being a bench player in 1988 averagin 7.9 PPG was the reason Michael Jordan went to the second round in 1988 and the ECF in 1989 where Pippen averaged 13.1 PPG in the playoffs. Sure.
But that is why LeBron wont get any respect because of guys like Nick Wright who always discredits other to give his choice the praise.
@@JohnJones-fn9df this is what the LeBron fans do. They just want to discredit other players because they know their man is not gonna eclipse them them with accomplishments, so lets just attack some other categories
@@JohnJones-fn9df imagine if Michael lost to the Pistons and called Magic and said I would go to the Lakers. And then they will talk about injuries to their team. Does Larry Bird and Kevin McHale complain that they were injured during the 1987 finals? Do Magic complain that the tore his hamstring in the 1989 finals?
Chris ain't been the same since he dropped the ball on Leonard's destination. He thought he was insiders, but he ditched the size 15 neck shirts and looks heated every time he speaks. With that said, this LBJ talk is pure nonsense and baloney.
Chris just owned him in these debates haha 😆. Refuted all his points
8:30 nah got me weak😭😂
If Lebron goes 7-6 then he’s above Jordan for me because that longevity for Bron will beat Jordan’s case. It is not Bron’s fault that Jordan didn’t take care of his body and wasn’t that great anymore when he got to Washington.
Also if Lebron gets up to Kareem as the highest point scorer of all time, this will extremely help his case too alongside with 7-6.
Top 5 for now still:
1.) Jordan
2.) Bron
3.) Kareem
4.) Magic
5.) Russel
GETTING TO THE FINALS AND LOSING IS BETTER THAN NOT GETTING TO THE FINALS
Nick ate him up on this one im not gunna lie
Nick is an intelligent man facts are facts
Two threepeats in eight years Broussard
he is out in the league for a year and a half and yet after he came back, he avg 31 ppg.
with all due respect, if all Bron had to worry about was Ewing, Drexler, and Chuck Barkley, he'd have about a bazillion rings by now.
So Broussard said MJ has two three-peats in 7 years.
But the other team was Kobe AND Shaq.
Amazing.
PIPPEN is ignored in those three-peats....it was just MJ.
For any other...it's a COMBO situation.
Hmmm.
Nick Wright gave Broussard that ether.
Actually there have been plenty more three-peats in NBA history. Bill Russell has 6 different 3 consecutive year spans where he won the championship each of those 3 years. Take your pick. They're all 3-peats. It doesn't become not a 3-peat just because he won more before or after
'59, '60, '61
'60, '61, '62
'61, '62, '63
'62, '63, '64
'63, '64, '65
'64, '65, '66
How many teams were in the NBA at that time?
ALL FACTS. IRREFUTABLE POINTS MADE BY NICK
Added facts: 1. Jordan and Kobe won titles only with Phil Jackson. Without him, they didn't even make it to the finals. Lebron got to the finals with 5 different coaches - none of them got to the finals without him (except for Spoelstra this year).
2. None of the teams beaten by Jordan in the Finals was a dynasty. None of them managed to win their conference more than once (except for the Jazz). So he didn't face the Shaq and Kobe Lakers or Duncan-Popovic Spurs, or even Hakeem's Rockets.
Was the Heat team LeBron just beat a dynasty, what about the Thunder in 2012. LeBron beat the warriors in 2016 before they were even a dynasty and he beat the 2013 spurs when they were in the back end of there dynasty.
@@BetterDeath Most players on the Lakers are out of their primes. Also, 2016 GS went 73-9
Nick with the facts of life
So Nick's newest way of propping up LeBron over Jordan means bringing Jordan down. Just accept that Jordan was the better and more successful player already. Lebron will end up with all of the all-time stats as an individual due to how long he'll play (he's the most durable player ever with a bullet), but he's not the better player and I side with Broussard like I tend to do.
The exact same thing yall do to lebron when arguing for jordan. Just undermine his accomplishments.
Man, Nick is salty and whining and crying while Chris and the others were calm and just watched Nick go on his childish soliloquy, once Nick was screaming he already showed he lost and couldn’t take it
I personally think, this 4th nba title run put lebron over jordan in for the goat debate but that's just my opinion.
4 rings and 4 fmvp's don't forget !!
Im a diehard lebron fan but I still dont think hes past Jordan. I think a 2nd title would put him right there with Jordan. IMO, a 3rd title/3 peat would put him OVER Jordan since he has better stats and a tie in championships.
What really hurt Lebron being the goat were his 2011 mavs loss and 2014 spurs loss since they were legitimate losses as they were favored to win. All the other losses are excused for (2007 he was a baby against Spurs, 2015 injuries, and 2017 and 2018 were impossible to win - no team was gonna beat the kd warriors).
Omg lebron james really isn't in the goat debate hes a over hyped diva on roids who the media makes him out to be a god the goat debate is between jordan vs Kareem
Chris really said those points are not powerful lmao 🤦🏾♂️
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦🏾♂️ Jenna's all like "LA' ???
Nick Wright gets mad if you use the same points against LeBron
Wow I forgot Brandon Marshall was on this show hahahaha
Nick and LeBron stans are so emotionally tight
He was boutta cry no cap
You can really tell nick lost this debate 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nick will go to his grave losing this debate,he is trying to over come perfection, in his mind Lebron winning 4 championships plus 6 loses is equal to two wins give Lebron 6 rings but oops what about the 6 finals mvps, 9 scoring titles,3 steal titles,4 first team all defense etc to over come
Lebron locked down the east for 8 years but Jordan did that to the entire NBA? What? Jordan won those 6 with the bulls so he stayed in 1 conference. Lol
Nick stay killing them with facts. They keep coming with fandom. No one could provide any facts to destroy Nick points. To any Jordan fans, Who did Jordan beat during those title runs? Also outside the 6 season he won a championship how did MJ do? 1-9 in the post season barely over .500 in the regular season.
Hmm also is 10 more than 6? How many super team did Lebron face? Hmm 5 and beat all of them outside the warriors when they got KD. He beat KD too when he was on the super teams of OKC when they had 3 future MVPs on the roster. Soo if there’s a goat then it’s LEBRON JAMES. I said.
Facts
6 is more than 0, which is how many Finals Ls
@@tammaralsadkhan6739 hmm so the other years are meaningless then huh? Also you didn’t answer who did MJ beat?
1-9 in the playoffs but not in the finals no in the first and second round. You know Lebron has NEVER lost in the first round.
You don’t know basketball at all! OKC not a super team... the only super team he beat maybe the warriors? But they weren’t that super until K.D.... uh Spurs? Talking about the old Spurs that are older than the Pistons team that Jordan beat. Jordan also beat Isiah Thomas, Magic, Worthy, Clyde, Payton, Kemp, Shaq, Ewing, Hardaway, Reggie, Karl, Stockton
@@dannysanchez4383 lmao soo a team with 3 future mvps on it is not a super team. A team that was in the finals with those players against Lebron hmm. No I don’t know basketball like you I see that is sooo smart.
You didn’t answer my question though I see. Who did MJ beat?
Nick Wrong at it again. Let me debunk Nick’s point in about 3-5 minutes. First of all, never beat a contending team in the East post Pistons? Ummm he SWEPT the Magic in 1996, the year after he got a non-playoff Bulls team to the 2nd round against them and pushed them to 6 games. Also, the 1998 Indiana Pacers and the 1993 New York Knicks were absolute contenders in the East. And Jordan beat them both. On the other hand, LeBron has faced zero competition in the East from 2011-2018. “How about the Celtics!?” Nope. Pierce and KG and Ray were all past their primes while LeBron was in his and he had Wade and Bosh on his side. “The Bulls and Pacers Matt!!” Lmao. 22 year old Derrick Rose and a bunch of scrubs and young Paul George and no other all-stars? Like I said, zero competition. From 91-98, Jordan’s peak, NOBODY ATE. I challenge Nick Wright to comment back to me since he reads all the comments. I pray that he reads this one because I know for a fact he’ll have nothing to say. He can’t tell me I’m wrong because I’m not. Also, Hakeem won a title in ‘94, the year Jordan didn’t play, and ‘95, the year Jordan returned with a quarter of the season left and SOMEHOW TOOK THE BEST TEAM IN THE EAST TO 6 GAMES THAT YEAR. “MATT JORDAN WAS 1-9 WITHOUT PIPPEN.” Look at the teammates he had. Zero help, and he went against an all time great Celtics team twice. If you switch year 1-3 LeBron and put him with those Bulls teammates that Jordan had in year 1-3, LeBron is 0-10. NICK CHALLENGE ME. RESPOND BACK TO ME. Or anyone else who thinks I’m wrong let me know! Stop playing with the true goat MJ23
On Top Of the face MJ teamates were DRUG ADDICTS in MJ first couple of years.
@@primetimecollective exactly man! Year 1-3 LeBron would be 1-9 or 0-10 if you replaced him with Jordan. LeBron fans don’t want to have that conversation though. Neither does Nick Wright
@@JohnJones-fn9df thank you bro! You’re absolutely right
Rookie MJ has better stats than MVP Lebron, check it Nick, and cry
Which mvp? He won 4 mvps. He was one vote off of unanimous mvp in 2013, dpoy and shot 40 percent from 3 and over 50 from the field. Lebron and mj are the top ten playoff runs ever. Lebron has 5, mj has 5. Lebron tops the list and that was over mj's 1991 season as well.
yea idk wtf u talkin bout
he was 21 lmao
What “superteam” did LeBron beat
Wiles is there to fill up space in your television
So I guess Rodman and pippin and Phil Jackson aren’t HALL OF FAMERS LOL 😂
Nick Wright gobbles lebron, and is his side chick. Period!
Nick points makes no sense.
Lol.
😂😂 making points for his own narrative 😂
All facts
That’s like saying skip bayless says all facts. Doesn’t mean it’s good facts
Man, this show is much better now. Nick is a lot better and the chemistry is awesome.
NICK WRONG AT IT AGAIN
1. MJ was without Pippen for a grand total of 3 years before MJ won rings. His rookie sophomore (only played 18 games) and Junior year… Wooptie doo. And Bulls were arguably worse than the Cavs before both joined their teams. At least LeBron had a Z in his prime, Larry Hughes an all defensive player and stealing champ, Eric Snow all defensive player, Drew Gooden all Rookie, Donyell Marshall all rookie, Varajeo would be all defensive in a couple years too. Meanwhile MJ had Oakley who barely played year 1 and wasn’t great until the mid 90s on the Knicks, old af Gervin who also barely played for 1 season then retired, and 2 all rookie players… LeBron had 6 competent teammates, MJ had 3.
2. Correction. Never beat one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history Larry Bird, Parish, McHale, and Bill Walton in MJs 2nd year when he only played 18 regular season games or 3rd year and had no help.
3. This argument is just tacking on to point 2 adding another stacked GOAT dynasty the Pistons and then trying to throw in losing to the Bulls when he only played 17 games.
4. This one is just false. Celtics still had Bird, Parish, and McHale, Bulls beat Heat Mourning and Hardaway, Bulls beat Hornets Mourning and Parish, Bulls beat Washington CWebb and Ben Wallace, Bulls beat Pacers Reggie Miller and Chris Mullin, Pistons had Grant Hill and Joe Dumars
5. ON HIS WATCH. Meaning his PRIME! Nick Wrong is seriously going to count MJs first 3 years and his time on the Wizards?! Wtf 😂
Nick lost his argument the moment he put Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and Robinson considering they won once jordan left
Shaq beat mj
Exactly. Nick was being disingenuous when he put those players on his list.
Shaq and Kobe won while Jordan was on the wizards!!!
Robinson and Duncan won while Jordan was on the wizards....
Really going to count the wizards years when jordan was 3 years out and practically 40
Yeah these MJ fan boys think his career lasted 6 years
Why does Chris Broussard have to yell everything?
Thats cuz jordan was always on the best TEAM!! BEST COACH! who was he without the best team or Phil? He was NOTHING! WINNING NOTHING! Jordan only won with good players around him... lebron has won with nobody's lol
Jordan was retired when Olajuwan won his first ring. It was Jordan second year when he played Bird with no other all star. The Pistons were tough but as soon as pippen became a all star they destroyed them. Kobe and Shaq won when he was a old Wizard player also Tim Duncan won after Jordan retired in 98 and his last year in 03. Lebron got to the finals in 07 mainly because Wade and Shaq were hurt throughout that season so he never had to face the defending champions. I give him credit for beating the Pistons. But Lebron has lost too many times to be put over someone with more rings and no losses with the stats to back it up sorry.
What about '95? 😏😏
@@UnexpectedWonder he slipped up and Nick Andersen stole the ball and they lost to Shaq and Penny. Then the very next year he swept Shaq and Penny and won 3 straight championships.
@@DeadPoolLilCuzin1567 yeah and Hakeem and Drexler won a title at that expense sweeping Magics
@@gregoryemeagwara5933 that was 95 Jordan swept Orlando in 96 and won the championship
Just facts🙌 jordan get kicked off 6 times in playoffs(and was not even able to win a conference chip knowing that te east was weak too back in days) till pippen bicame allstar and The greatest coach of all time(🙌)took the command of his team. He never won when his team was not the best time in the league. But he was still the best player on the league all those years. That show you that if you want to win a chip u have to built the better team out of all the league. So why when its come to lebron u talking about all the finals he loose knowing evrytime his team get kicked off the playoffs(including finals) his team wasnt the better team(except in 2011, the only time it happen) but he was putting great number in all other time he gets kicked off(The same with MJ).
MJ never chocked statistically while having a good team. Lebron does, one time only.
But considering the facts lebron does exactly what jordan did back in day(dominate evry year and win the year his team is the best) longer than MJ prove that we can put him above MJ🤔
Why everyone laughs when Nick is telling the truth? cmon man
he isn't, he misconstrues evidence for his agenda. He also states facts that have no correlation to the topic, but presents them in a way to make you think they're relevant
@@skipbayless4375 you are doing the best Ryan Hollins impersonation good job
Cuz those that “truth” is incredibly misleading with no context. How can you criticize Mike for losing to the Bird Celtics when they are universally regarded as one of the best teams of all time with 5 HOF and then give LeBron a pass for losing to the Warriors superteam? Be consistent. Nick doesn’t hold LeBron to the same standard that he criticizes Mike for
@@skipbayless4375 What did nick say that was wrong or irrelevant to the discussion at hand?
@@skipbayless4375 Everything he said was facts not opinions
thank god Chris Brussard is on the show to talk some sence into the panel 😂
Jordan got drafted in 84 right?
He won 6 titles and played till what 98
…. Do the math
I. Thomas ate
Larry bird ate
Magic Johnson ate
The dream ate
2 3peats in 7 years, case closed.
If a good debate is going just let it go. We don't really care about everyone getting a turn. Should've let Chris and Nick keep going
Nick your crying 😂😂😂 your inlove with lebron
Chris in my opinion won this one...once again Nick lies to the public and if you not research or know your history, we just enjoy the entertainment shock value as truth...Jordan defeated multiple teams with two HOF players after getting past the Pistons...If Jordan retired in 98 and Robinson and Duncan won titles in 99 and 03; Shaq and Kobe 3 peated 2000-02...Hakeem won the 2 seasons Jordan took off... I don’t understand this Nick 🐈...SMH
Well, lets compare aaron rodgers vs tom brady.
Lets juxtapose some of these all time NFL qb's for heavens sake.
Joe montana vs tom brady.
Johnny unitas vs john elway.
Dan marino vs drew brees...etc.
Lol Nick destroyed Chris’s argument
I mean it seems like everything Nick said was true. And he didn’t even mention that during Micheal’s “Dominant Years” when he finally became the legend people believe he is, he DID allow another team to win the finals, unlike what Chris said.
@steven richter Youre an idiot. if you disagree with nick thats fine but to say he had no facts is truly moronic
@nabil chowdhury explain how nick wright is rewriting history? or you just saying the same thing BM said at the end??
"Destroyed" lmao no. His stats were misrepresented asf
@steven richter ok and bill Russell if he had a 3rd hand would have to hold up 3 hands so wtf is ur point kid😂 it’s not all about rings
Been my argument forever. Jordan played 15 years. They only count 6.
Facts
So Jordan has 6 rings in 15 years. LeBron got 4 in 17 years. Something to think about.
@@yourebreakingmyballs4787 how many hall of famers Jordan faces in the finals ? How many super teams did he face in the finals ?
@@txrns-7990 that’s what I’m saying people don’t take into consideration the teams lebron had to face in the finals. Lebron in the 🐐 to me
@@yourebreakingmyballs4787 lebron went against a dynasty in the Spurs 4 times & a 73 win team in the warriors who added Kd the top 2 best player who didn’t even have to play in the playoffs for them to make the finals & the first year the warriors won the cavs stars all was injured
When Jordan gets the Lebron treatment he don’t look so shiny. I mean his head still glistens but that’s about it
Fax
He looks shiny not winning without pippen is stupid
1. MJ only played 2 seasons without Pippen so pippen was part of the losing
2.the bulls were rebuilding new teammates and coach and new system takes time but after 2 seasons with new roster they never lost again
Jacob Wiley - Exactly.
@G-man I have a few videos in mind. I'm not sure which ones I'm going to do first yet though.
Wat treatment jordan getting that lbj is.
Nick Wright been winning this debate for years now idc how you feel about the GOAT discussion, he’s just a better debater😂
@nabil chowdhury
No all he said was facts, consider 15 years not 6, consider a great team jordan has really superteam in an era with no super teams, in my opinion if we replaced barkley or malone with mj, the bulls at least will get 4 chips
The EAST was so weak during Lebrons time-they had to change the All Star Game format.They were going to change the playoff format too but Lebron begged to Adam Silver not to.Adam had the plan in place.Just couldnt execute it cause Lebron wanted to not have a playoff conferences shuffle.
erik puka as was the east during jordans run. If you ever actually listen
@@sabryspot youre saying the bulls were a superteam with jordan and scottie. Then what about lebron dwade and bosh or lebron kyrie and love. And now Lebron and AD.
@@ramseytomo123 your missing the point
Jordan had a breakdown moment, against the magic when they stole the ball from him and they were saying "45 isn't 23", it wasn't in the finals so it doesn't get attention
agreed, but it ain't quite 8 points, then 17 points, then 21 points in game 4 5 and 6, while scoring an average of 2 points in the 4th quarter. MJ still averaged 31 pts on 48% shooting, that series. Nowhere near as bad as lebron's meltdown. If that's a meltdown for jordan, you just proved why hes the goat. Jordan came back with 17 games left in that season, and was out of shape. Those mistakes he made down the stretch were due to his lack of basketball fitness. Even Nick Anderson said "no 45 ain't no 23, i coudlnt have done that to no 23". Jordan came back the next year 72-10 and three peated
In that "breakdown momente" he averaged 31p - 6r - 4a on 48%fg, is not like he averaged 17ppg or shot 35%fg like lebron did in 2007 and 2011.
@@skipbayless4375 but he still failed. And you offering explanation is the same thing that Bron critics would say is "jsut an excuse". Rational fans understand things like that but still....if Bron gets a "no excuses" clause then so does MJ.
Lebron played like a role player in the 2011 finals for the entire series and especially in the fourth quarters. Not the same pal
@@skipbayless4375 i'm not saying it was as bad as lebron, but Jordan had a moment too. It's true that the media will always treat jordan like royalty and act like he played only 6 years, i have him as the goat but it's not unachievable for lebron. You said that he came back and three peated, lebron came back from 2011 and won 2 in a row. Also Jordan in the finals when he won he always had a better team, apart from 2011 lebron wasn't supposed to win and surely jordan hasn't faced the competition that lebron faced in the finals.
GET BRANDON OFF THE SHOW!!!! HES ABSOLUTELY USELESS TO THE DEBATES AND HAS BEEN FOR MONTHS
lmaooooooooooo
i agree his takes are boring..he struggles to get a sentence out smoothly and his face is just very punchable to make things worse
I agree with you. He literally adds nothing to the show.
Lol, true! Wildes might be worse tho 😂
😂😂😂😂
I think everyone who has their opinion of who the GOAT is isn’t changing their mind, whether it’s Lebron or Jordan. At this point, everything Lebron does is just gonna make it harder for anyone else to join the discussion.
Same goes for nick wright. He mind was already made up
@nabil chowdhury and mj fans do the exact same thing
IMO, if LeBron gets a fifth ring, they’re dead even
@nabil chowdhury yea but what nick is saying and doing is only because mj fans do that with LeBron but I get what you're saying. Nick has never said those things up until now. Maybe except for the pippen thing. He was just pointing out the double standard.
Everything nick said was facts.
Chris literally acts like MJ career didn't start until '91. Why does he ignore everything before that?
the same reason Bron is GOAT people ignore the fact that he wasn't winning all those years in Cleveland or all those years vs golden state
Bron took 9 years to win a chip. Jordan took 6. Remember he was out most of his 2nd season with broken foot. Also bron has to join a super team to break through, mj never did that. Look up the stats all you want all they say is mj was better.
@@futurekillerful Bro nobody ignores that, people always bring up how lebron was 3-6 in the finals and how he had to go to miami to win
@@kevinodonnell230 Jordan never needed to change teams because they actually knew how to build a team around him. The bulls gave Jordan HOF'ers, the cavs gave lebron Mo Williams.
@@ragejohnson1567 nothing wrong with leaving clev it’s how he did it and why join two other superstars why chase a player who already won Atleast go to another team with another superstar who’s never won either cheap ring
Lebron: there is no jealousy on this team.
Kyrie: 😭
Kyrie thinks the earth is flat
Kyrie 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 drama queen
LeBron James didn't win a championship until Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami Heat and Ray Allen .he didn't win one in Cleveland to he got Kyrie Irving and Calvin love. on the team he didn't win another championship until they create the bubble. He hand-picked ad and some of the other players so you see he hand pick recruit all these players on his own and he still not better than Michael. Jordan.
I'm with Nick but man he looked like he was about to cry LMAO this debate was hilarious
All facts💯
Im not with nick but these arguments get him in his feelings like nothing else and I’m here for it tbh lol
Lol, dude looked like he was gonna burst into tears. He’s too attached to Lebron
@@jalensmith6127 he passionate about his job that’s all.
@@jimmyb4361 I think he’s more “passionate” about Lebron. I guess you’re right because obsessing over and defending Lebron is his job.
Right, cause Twitter polls and barbershop talks are the epitome of high IQ LMFAO