This battery seems to solve the range problem for most riders. At $5099 it's an insanely expensive upgrade (which doesn't include the cost of the controller), but it's good to see the range limitations being solved. Hopefully the price will come down over time on these batteries. I'm hoping to buy one of these within the next 6 months :)) can't wait for more content.
@@barrontrump3943 lol. When the cost of a battery and controller is nearly the same as the cost of a new Ultra bee, you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone
I just want to add as well that the aftermarket support for the Ultra Bee is way better, plus they offer a street legal version. If Stark has these two things going for it when the next update rolls out, I would be very tempted to get one.
@@ricardolourizela5961 the ultra bee. You can take out the battery. The stark. You have to take apart the bike to do so. So it's not hot swappable. The ultra is
The ultrabee stock has 17 hp....no chance at all...the Stark is foster than 450...the Ultrabee is a like 80 cc.....or less..and spend this money for modify the ultrabee it makes non sense ...it's always cinese bike...
I race moto and have been looking at one of these to cruise from the house as well as rip around the pits. At 6’3 the regular surron feels incredibly small, this thing seems perfect.
Tucker thanks for all this. I would like to hear more about the fork and shock upgrades as handling is what makes a bike most enjoyable even more than good power.
I would like to see a comparison between your stage 2 Ultra bee and your KTM e-xc. With both now on 21"/18" and the modified suspension, they may be simaliar. Curious about the effects of weight, suspension and power differences.
Looking at the prices this looks like it's north of $14k for the bike + the parts! That's more than a stark varg! Is there any point going this route compared to just getting a varg? Still lighter & bit more range? What's the total weight at with the different wheels, suspension and battery? Thanks!
Another fantastic video...the bike looks awesome if we had terrain and areas to ride in the North West of England I would buy it in a heart beat...but unfortunately we don't...so I would be using it mainly for Road and a little bit of green lanes...in the UK you can now get 2nd hand Zero DS for a similar price which seems to offer much more range and is suited more to Road, so I will probably go for that...but this bike with your upgrades looks incredible, so fast and whips round those trails. Gutted we don't have these on our backdoor! Your a lucky man! Thanks for updating
My 7.2 which is really a 6.3 nominal (real kwh per Zero) gets about 45-50 ridden easy off-road forest service roads (it's a DS) or 45-60mph HWY mileage.
I was on the original list for the Varg but cancelled it after too many delays. My local dealer has one of these in stock and I'm pretty sure this is my next bike.
Has anyone seen the new 2023 Ultra Bees? Saw one in a shop with an all black frame and plastics. Looked way better than the green color, apparently the new ones are blacked out minus the stickers which are still white/yellow. Manufacture date on the bike was 6/2023.
On stock battery ultra bee and surron x if you travel going 20-25mph pace you will make it 30-40 miles. All depends on the conditions and speed. Tested it my self on both bikes.
Torque-ee Boi... looks fun af ... would love to see a motard street version ... super light carbon fiber wheel with larger traction patch ... a nice smooth relaxed long range mode and an "I think this might be dangerous" mode 😂
You the Man Tucker, I'd like 1 of each of the bikes you've tested in 2023.....Very disappointed in the GAS GAS Mountain bike....great Bike not enough speed
Is it possible, and easy, to setup custom power output settings with the EBMX X-9000 Controller & EBMX 80.5v 73Ah battery? In the vid it sounds like the lowest 15kw setting is too much for the single track you're riding. If you can change the power output levels, to say 10, 12, 15kw, can that be done on the bike through the display? Or do you have to connect to a computer? Hopefully not by directly editing text/data files. And great vid, thanks!
i dont know why do offroad evs tend to give less mileage comparing road ones or kind of same ??? never had a electric ..riding my klx 230r ..thinking about buying one
Going far at highspeed(ie. On the road) uses a lot more power. My street bike battery is about 4x more capacity than my Ultra, but I get about the same riding time cause I'm not pushing the wind the whole time off road.
So the total cost of parts and bike is what? 15K? If Surron would build a bike like that they would probably sell it around 9-10k. 15K is an incredible amount of money.
@@tintin6291 There ain’t no way. My buddies ultra bee is 225lbs and all it has is the upgraded wheel set an a bigger sprocket plus a 520 chain. That’s with the stock controller and stock battery. This bike has to be at least 240 pounds. That battery is extremely heavy being 5.9 kWh.
So I’m about to buy my first e-bike. I’m after genuine advice please. I’ve got the funds for a ultra bee but it’s there anything better than it for what I need. I’m a single father and want to be able to make memories with my son on his Stomp EBox 2. I’ll mainly be using it on fields, green lane and have the option to go on MX Tracks if needed. Do you think I’m being stupid spending this amount of money on a bike when another one would do the job? For example, should I buy the LBX or the Sting R or XXX?
A shame the large battery is so expensive, hopefully they will be more affordable in the future so electric can go further without costing as much as two good gas bikes
Thanks that’s the first I’ve heard on that battery /controller,, I would obviously have liked to see if just the controller uograde with stock eng/batt is sufficient or even beneficial and also one with the upgraded engine , and stage three combo, though to be completely honest the fact that everything in Australia has an extra 20-25% tax cause i things cost them that much more to import . So at the cost of all the upgraded battery controller engine , 6K actually 6600 with tax plus shipping and the 6500 for the bike and then uograde wheels Shocks and handlebars and hey look at me and my neon glowing lifted truck transformed into an ebike graffix package that’s at or close to the cost of an 80hp slackrg, but I guess purchasing a light bee frame and abs frankenbuilding an ultra light bee might bee cool se you’ll have all those extra parts sitting on the garage collecting dust cause there’s no market need for them at all. The issue might also be warrantee or customer support issue when building a bike with several different companies that prolly cancel each other’s warrantees out, while stark is well supported, and that’s 100 of the bike that you prolly couldn’t uograde less you wanted ohline shocks or a newer pair of super light Wp air shocks, for preference,, oh well prolly some actual graffix for the starks borin graffix dept. but Heyy they’re rollin of the production line and not from china so that info itself is impressive. Also both bikes use Panasonic batteries though ebmx should promote who they use cause that matters. Weather the batteries gonna go up in flames at some point cause they got their lithium batteries off of the wish app. From a company called Panasonik made from 20 random different makers from unknown sources thatvare relabeled. Cause they charge an extreme margin for their batterie so they should be warrenteed and built with name brand batteries that have a known successful track record. Otherwise just go to eBay and buy a batterry building kit with Surron parts like interfaces and converters from luna cycle , cause the it’s not like building a controller. Basically after all the aftermarket parts and costs is it at ir around the cost of a stark varg? And if so is it better. Or is it close enough but so much cheaper that the uktra bee stage three is a better buy? Or is stark that much better even if it’s still a few thousand more the difference is worth it for the snark barg, it’s name so weird that’s the best I can come up with.. but really their decals are limp dik style.. maybe they don’t need ktm raging in your facial intensity but somethihg more than just writing stark varg like your autographing your name which can have its place in the corner or afterthought or straight up front and center but in a style. Thats screaming who you are while moving fast and makes the bike look like it’s moving faster then our eyes can keep up with while stopped. Plastic in red or plastic in white with aftermarket part style and size stickers if your brand doesn’t cut it,, not for the most powerful most expensive supa duos cross ever.. Being minimalistic and Sheekblike the ceo should not be exorsssed in the bike in anyway, that’s the last thing that’ll attract mx riders to wqnna try a spin on the varg.they’ll look at it like a slick way of them trying to kill their 2 stroke!!
What is the point of these parts for a newly purchased e-moto? I would only do this if the entire bike is worn out after a few years and needs a new controller/battery and other parts to keep it running.
The Ultra doesn't NEED anything. People doing 100ft jumps completely stock. 21" front wheel is the only mod I think most people should do, it's fine as is.
Impressive that you can get so much range from such a small package! My Storm Bee can do close to that - around 60km (37 miles) on the stock battery while beating it off road (less mountainous), but it is way heavier. Since I can do 100km (60 miles) in the city, I expect this could do even more 👏 Unfortunately in EU, I am not sure if you would pass the tech expertise without the main display working, so all of these mods make the bike non road-legal and also a bit too expensive. But at 90kg it will stay at the top for certain applications for a long while.
Would be really interested to see what an Ultra Bee looks like with 16”/19” setup and no bodywork. Like a hot rod Light Bee? Would the forks be too long for the proportions to work? Or would the forks actually be better suited to that wheel set up with them being similar to forks from an 85?
Excellent video ECR! Impressive range for sure. My question is. - Is this only the beginning for battery support for the ultra bee? What I mean by that is, is 30kw 81v just the tip of the ice berg..? Given ultra be is a new bike to the market. Will we be seeing even better batteries given the R&D just needs time. Example: 90+v batteries pushing 35-45KW, of course a new motor will need to be fitted.. but would love to know because $5k on a battery I would spend it but would be upset to see even better one released down the line, with that amount of change out of my pocket I would want the best battery out there haha!
best battery range... They're the first, but the value for money is very poor. The interior is fine, but not incredible. And the price is way too high.
A bigger fuel tank for my 300xcw is 200-400 dollars. Stock tank gets 50+ miles. I get that electric bikes are fun toys but geez so expensive for a bigger "fuel tank"
electric bikes will be much better by 2025- 6, still too pricey, lacking in range and -top speed for me. But defo gonna get an E bike.. for now still enjoy my 2 stroke 300...with a big smile
40 miles on a good day while conserving energy after spending 5k on a battery?!? I hope you like walking your bike in the woods after the battery is flat! Or maybe your wood is a lot smaller than the one I ride in?
See the ECR Surron Ultra Bee Build Stages Here: bit.ly/ECRUltraBee
This battery seems to solve the range problem for most riders. At $5099 it's an insanely expensive upgrade (which doesn't include the cost of the controller), but it's good to see the range limitations being solved. Hopefully the price will come down over time on these batteries. I'm hoping to buy one of these within the next 6 months :)) can't wait for more content.
Also factor in the price you can sell the stock battery for. Plenty of people would rather have 2 stock batteries and swap. Sell to those people 😅
@@Sailorjeffy101 still doesn't seem worth it
@@ridgeridermotodudes coping hard
@@barrontrump3943 lol. When the cost of a battery and controller is nearly the same as the cost of a new Ultra bee, you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone
@@Sailorjeffy101 Great point. I wish ECR would just tally up net total for the bike. Any idea what used stock batteries are selling for?
5000+ dollars for the battery. Crazy!
So, with this set up, you’ve basically spent more than the stark Varg.
Alot of people sell the stock battery and controller to help cover costs
You can hot swappable the battery tho. On the stark u can't do that
I just want to add as well that the aftermarket support for the Ultra Bee is way better, plus they offer a street legal version. If Stark has these two things going for it when the next update rolls out, I would be very tempted to get one.
@@tintin6291What do you mean by "hot swappable"?
@@ricardolourizela5961 the ultra bee. You can take out the battery. The stark. You have to take apart the bike to do so. So it's not hot swappable. The ultra is
We want to see a drag race! Varg vs. Ultra
He did say in the video it’s not stark Varg fast. But yeah, I would love to see the drag race 🤠
😂
On street no comparison. 30kW (ultra bee) = 40hp. Varg has 80 and gobs more torque.
The ultrabee stock has 17 hp....no chance at all...the Stark is foster than 450...the Ultrabee is a like 80 cc.....or less..and spend this money for modify the ultrabee it makes non sense ...it's always cinese bike...
Varg smokes the bee bro
I race moto and have been looking at one of these to cruise from the house as well as rip around the pits. At 6’3 the regular surron feels incredibly small, this thing seems perfect.
Get on man
Get a stark varg instead
Tucker thanks for all this. I would like to hear more about the fork and shock upgrades as handling is what makes a bike most enjoyable even more than good power.
mine is fully upgraded minus the battery, love it. thanks for the testing!
I would like to see a comparison between your stage 2 Ultra bee and your KTM e-xc. With both now on 21"/18" and the modified suspension, they may be simaliar. Curious about the effects of weight, suspension and power differences.
Looking at the prices this looks like it's north of $14k for the bike + the parts! That's more than a stark varg! Is there any point going this route compared to just getting a varg? Still lighter & bit more range? What's the total weight at with the different wheels, suspension and battery? Thanks!
Varg is a bigger heavier bike not as good on trail but best on the mx track so I hear.
Incredible! I really like it. Ordering a set of wheels and tires right now and I don't even have the bike in the garage yet.
Could you run this battery with the stock controller to just take advantage of the range increase?
Want to know as well
The 72v one yes. The 80v one no
Another fantastic video...the bike looks awesome if we had terrain and areas to ride in the North West of England I would buy it in a heart beat...but unfortunately we don't...so I would be using it mainly for Road and a little bit of green lanes...in the UK you can now get 2nd hand Zero DS for a similar price which seems to offer much more range and is suited more to Road, so I will probably go for that...but this bike with your upgrades looks incredible, so fast and whips round those trails. Gutted we don't have these on our backdoor! Your a lucky man! Thanks for updating
My Zero FX 7.2 gets about 35 miles when beating it hard off road. I'm surprised the bigger battery on the Ultra Bee doesn't get much more than that
My 7.2 which is really a 6.3 nominal (real kwh per Zero) gets about 45-50 ridden easy off-road forest service roads (it's a DS) or 45-60mph HWY mileage.
@@shredmas Yes, there isn't much difference between riding easy on a gravel road vs riding easy on the street.
I was on the original list for the Varg but cancelled it after too many delays. My local dealer has one of these in stock and I'm pretty sure this is my next bike.
Just curious, you said 20(?) miles with 50% so high 30miles till 10%. What was the total ride time did you get. 1-2 hours?
Great job on the video! Thanks for making it.
Has anyone seen the new 2023 Ultra Bees? Saw one in a shop with an all black frame and plastics. Looked way better than the green color, apparently the new ones are blacked out minus the stickers which are still white/yellow. Manufacture date on the bike was 6/2023.
I have one. So pretty in black
On stock battery ultra bee and surron x if you travel going 20-25mph pace you will make it 30-40 miles. All depends on the conditions and speed. Tested it my self on both bikes.
wheelset on order, now I need a second Ultra
I hope 🤞🏾 the new Surron has some of this power
Torque-ee Boi... looks fun af ... would love to see a motard street version ... super light carbon fiber wheel with larger traction patch ... a nice smooth relaxed long range mode and an "I think this might be dangerous" mode 😂
You the Man Tucker, I'd like 1 of each of the bikes you've tested in 2023.....Very disappointed in the GAS GAS Mountain bike....great Bike not enough speed
Thanks for the video!
Is it possible, and easy, to setup custom power output settings with the EBMX X-9000 Controller & EBMX 80.5v 73Ah battery? In the vid it sounds like the lowest 15kw setting is too much for the single track you're riding. If you can change the power output levels, to say 10, 12, 15kw, can that be done on the bike through the display? Or do you have to connect to a computer? Hopefully not by directly editing text/data files. And great vid, thanks!
i dont know why do offroad evs tend to give less mileage comparing road ones or kind of same ??? never had a electric ..riding my klx 230r ..thinking about buying one
Off road is high rolling resistance and lots of WOT, it is equivalent to riding at 70 mph as far as power consumption per mile.
Going far at highspeed(ie. On the road) uses a lot more power. My street bike battery is about 4x more capacity than my Ultra, but I get about the same riding time cause I'm not pushing the wind the whole time off road.
So the total cost of parts and bike is what? 15K? If Surron would build a bike like that they would probably sell it around 9-10k. 15K is an incredible amount of money.
Paid $15300 for my specialized emtb lol.
What is the total bike weight with all the upgrades?
220
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There ain’t no way. My buddies ultra bee is 225lbs and all it has is the upgraded wheel set an a bigger sprocket plus a 520 chain. That’s with the stock controller and stock battery.
This bike has to be at least 240 pounds. That battery is extremely heavy being 5.9 kWh.
Dying of thirst. need that stage 4…
So I’m about to buy my first e-bike. I’m after genuine advice please. I’ve got the funds for a ultra bee but it’s there anything better than it for what I need. I’m a single father and want to be able to make memories with my son on his Stomp EBox 2. I’ll mainly be using it on fields, green lane and have the option to go on MX Tracks if needed. Do you think I’m being stupid spending this amount of money on a bike when another one would do the job? For example, should I buy the LBX or the Sting R or XXX?
Consider the arctic leopard models!!
A shame the large battery is so expensive, hopefully they will be more affordable in the future so electric can go further without costing as much as two good gas bikes
Thanks that’s the first I’ve heard on that battery /controller,, I would obviously have liked to see if just the controller uograde with stock eng/batt is sufficient or even beneficial and also one with the upgraded engine , and stage three combo, though to be completely honest the fact that everything in Australia has an extra 20-25% tax cause i things cost them that much more to import . So at the cost of all the upgraded battery controller engine , 6K actually 6600 with tax plus shipping and the 6500 for the bike and then uograde wheels Shocks and handlebars and hey look at me and my neon glowing lifted truck transformed into an ebike graffix package that’s at or close to the cost of an 80hp slackrg, but I guess purchasing a light bee frame and abs frankenbuilding an ultra light bee might bee cool se you’ll have all those extra parts sitting on the garage collecting dust cause there’s no market need for them at all.
The issue might also be warrantee or customer support issue when building a bike with several different companies that prolly cancel each other’s warrantees out, while stark is well supported, and that’s 100 of the bike that you prolly couldn’t uograde less you wanted ohline shocks or a newer pair of super light Wp air shocks, for preference,, oh well prolly some actual graffix for the starks borin graffix dept. but Heyy they’re rollin of the production line and not from china so that info itself is impressive.
Also both bikes use Panasonic batteries though ebmx should promote who they use cause that matters. Weather the batteries gonna go up in flames at some point cause they got their lithium batteries off of the wish app. From a company called Panasonik made from 20 random different makers from unknown sources thatvare relabeled. Cause they charge an extreme margin for their batterie so they should be warrenteed and built with name brand batteries that have a known successful track record. Otherwise just go to eBay and buy a batterry building kit with Surron parts like interfaces and converters from luna cycle , cause the it’s not like building a controller.
Basically after all the aftermarket parts and costs is it at ir around the cost of a stark varg? And if so is it better. Or is it close enough but so much cheaper that the uktra bee stage three is a better buy? Or is stark that much better even if it’s still a few thousand more the difference is worth it for the snark barg, it’s name so weird that’s the best I can come up with.. but really their decals are limp dik style..
maybe they don’t need ktm raging in your facial intensity but somethihg more than just writing stark varg like your autographing your name which can have its place in the corner or afterthought or straight up front and center but in a style. Thats screaming who you are while moving fast and makes the bike look like it’s moving faster then our eyes can keep up with while stopped. Plastic in red or plastic in white with aftermarket part style and size stickers if your brand doesn’t cut it,, not for the most powerful most expensive supa duos cross ever..
Being minimalistic and Sheekblike the ceo should not be exorsssed in the bike in anyway, that’s the last thing that’ll attract mx riders to wqnna try a spin on the varg.they’ll look at it like a slick way of them trying to kill their 2 stroke!!
Stock engine with new controller - see Stage 2 build !
What is the point of these parts for a newly purchased e-moto? I would only do this if the entire bike is worn out after a few years and needs a new controller/battery and other parts to keep it running.
More power. Better realiablibity. More features.
the bars are KTM bend, not the high bend?
Id be happy just pure stock. I dont do all that motocross track stuff anymore. I love just trail riding and climbing hills.
honestly before i buy a ultra bee with knowing im gonna upgrade it , just buy the varg less money better everything …
The Ultra doesn't NEED anything. People doing 100ft jumps completely stock. 21" front wheel is the only mod I think most people should do, it's fine as is.
Varg is crazy expensive.. you could buy 2 UB with 21/18 for varg..
Good luck getting your 265 lb Varg delivered. And it's 265 lbs! 265!!! Lol. Ultra Bee, sub 200 lbs.
People have some complaints with the Varg though and not sure its as good a trail bike more a mx bike.
Can you take it on a real MX track now with the new power? Maybe compare it to the stark and a gas bike.
20 kwh is about 25-27 hp.. Not even close to a varg or alta
@@philmoiz still be a cool video 🤷🏻♂️
Very cool
Upgrades are cool but $6500 bike with a $5000 battery is Stark
Varg Money.
Impressive that you can get so much range from such a small package! My Storm Bee can do close to that - around 60km (37 miles) on the stock battery while beating it off road (less mountainous), but it is way heavier. Since I can do 100km (60 miles) in the city, I expect this could do even more 👏
Unfortunately in EU, I am not sure if you would pass the tech expertise without the main display working, so all of these mods make the bike non road-legal and also a bit too expensive. But at 90kg it will stay at the top for certain applications for a long while.
It's not really meant for road riding. Not for urban cowboy 🤠🌇
You have Torp 1000 controller which supports all the stock features including the display if this is the main problem.
Would be really interested to see what an Ultra Bee looks like with 16”/19” setup and no bodywork. Like a hot rod Light Bee? Would the forks be too long for the proportions to work? Or would the forks actually be better suited to that wheel set up with them being similar to forks from an 85?
Excellent video ECR! Impressive range for sure. My question is. - Is this only the beginning for battery support for the ultra bee? What I mean by that is, is 30kw 81v just the tip of the ice berg..? Given ultra be is a new bike to the market. Will we be seeing even better batteries given the R&D just needs time. Example: 90+v batteries pushing 35-45KW, of course a new motor will need to be fitted.. but would love to know because $5k on a battery I would spend it but would be upset to see even better one released down the line, with that amount of change out of my pocket I would want the best battery out there haha!
Anddd a new helmet! Carmbrom fiberrrree
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Nothing but issues with the EBMX batteries online , maybe ok for the first month but don’t count on EBMX to help when it fails
Really? I haven't seen that, I have 2 I run the piss out of. They're from ewatt, it's the same battery charged cycleworks sells.
this is the minimum amount of battery this bike should have from factory
We are the manufacturer for E-Bikes in China
How much would it cost to replicate this thing?
Around 13k bike included
@@tintin6291 thanks so much. sorry if my question was answered in the video and i missed it!
U would have got better rage on flat ground (the road )
best battery range... They're the first, but the value for money is very poor. The interior is fine, but not incredible. And the price is way too high.
It's still new. Wait 2 years and this will be half the price
no, ewatt batteries are just expensive, whether lbx or tl or ub. EBMX same@@barrontrump3943
A bigger fuel tank for my 300xcw is 200-400 dollars. Stock tank gets 50+ miles. I get that electric bikes are fun toys but geez so expensive for a bigger "fuel tank"
It's hip and new. That's the appeal to it. Once it catches up in efficiency it will be cheaper
it needs clutch
electric bikes will be much better by 2025- 6, still too pricey, lacking in range and -top speed for me. But defo gonna get an E bike.. for now still enjoy my 2 stroke 300...with a big smile
It's for sure expensive but that bike will do 75mph. Fast enough for anything I'm going to do with it.
For that kind of money
Gas bike all day…
What happens in a year or two this battery is toast???
40 miles on a good day while conserving energy after spending 5k on a battery?!? I hope you like walking your bike in the woods after the battery is flat! Or maybe your wood is a lot smaller than the one I ride in?
60 miles. If you tune it right. You don't need much power for the stuff he's riding
@@tintin6291 wounder what you get at 10 or 12kw
@mountaingoat8788 that was what I was referring to. I only ride at 10kws. Ridng at full power only gets you 20 miles at best
waaaay to expensive
$5k for a fkn battery? Dumb.
Jesus Christ. You could get a regular gas bike for the price of just that battery, and not have range or weight issues,
There are no weight issues,alot lighter than a gasser,you obviously haven't priced a gasser or an electric.