Worlds Largest OpenRC F1 Car - Phase 2 // Gluing The Parts w/ Bill from Punished Props Academy
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 มี.ค. 2018
- I needed to get some of the OpenRC parts glued, and I knew Bill Doran of Punished Props Academy would be the best person to help out with this.
Bill and I used a urethane adhesive from BJB Enterprises, as well as 5 minute epoxy and superglue.
Yes, the video is LONG, but, anytime Bill and I get together, it is hard to cut out much since most anything Bill says is incredibly good information to know. The video is easy to put on and listen to as background, much like a podcast.
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at 33:30 or so, I say "In it's current incarnation, the car won't be radio controlled". By that I meant THIS SPECIFIC CONFIG OF THE CAR. Once it's assembled, I'll have to test if the plastic can withstand the stress of driving it around. Before I make it RC, I may need to change a few things on the car so it holds up to being driven. THAT is what I meant. I hope that makes sense.
THIS WILL BE RADIO CONTROLLED.
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31:31
Imagine if:
"Thanks Bill"
*glues hands together*
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Also i wonder if it would help if instead of "butt joints" you could use something like a step so the pieces would overlap when using epoxy/glue, although the upside down step for the other piece would be a little harder to 3d print. Another idea would be making them basically have it as puzzle pieces at the joints. If you need me to elaborate more on what I mean just let me know.
Glad you clarified that. I was wondering why the sudden change of mind.....
Easy stress test is just hand it to your son and let him play with it! Not that he would be intentionally rough on it just that he is a boy and by nature they can stress test things to destruction.
Kids make great stress testers :)
"Lets go to my buddy who has a lot of experience with glues"
then:
"Lets try this new glue i just got, which I have zero experience with so far."
lol
We have done extensive testing on 3D Printed parts using the adhesive and they wanted to test for themselves. If the adhesive was not appropriate, we would not have recommended it. There are 2 other styles of adhesives for Cosplay Armor and a variety of other uses as well. th-cam.com/video/5pFydbe5T9s/w-d-xo.html
exacly my thoughts. basically the whole video is an advertisement :/
True. We tried to be sneaky about it, but, it was nothing but an advertisement for Bill's hat
Mr 3d printing nerd. Perfect voice for radio. Deep resonance and inflection. Always fun to you two crazies working together
The timelapses withe the edited audio are awesome
hansdietrich83 thanks! Glad you enjoy them. :)
Sean Connelly are you the editor?
hansdietrich83 yup! :)
Awesome work :)
hansdietrich83 thank you!
I would be deathly afraid of:
"Whoops, I made a mistake!"
"Ready to try again!"
Thank you so much Bill & Joel for the feedback on the Armor-Bond adhesive!! To clarify a few things; BJB has done a lot of testing on 3D Printed parts and have many customers currently using the product on their own with very positive results. The Armor-Bond Rigid has been working great for common filaments like PLA, ABS, and others. These are two-part 1:1 adhesives (not single component as shown in the blue dialogue box) so they mix and cure by "exothermic" reaction (you were right Joel!).
Also, the work-time is a general rule of thumb for when the product will start to thicken and becomes less spreadable, but you can still re-position parts and clamp together even after 1.5-2 minutes. The material starts to firm up after about 5 minutes and the handling time for the parts is typically 10-20 minutes depending on the thickness of the bond line (thicker cures faster, thinner cures slower). This allows you to build an assembly of many parts quickly without waiting for hours to remove the clamps. The cured urethane adhesive is rigid, but super tough (not brittle like CA/cyanoacrylate & other adhesives).
The mix tubes hold roughly 3 grams of material so they are not using up much adhesive. For larger bonds, you can't beat the efficiency of the applicator mix tube. For smaller batches, hand mixing on a separate surface and applying like Bill and Joel did works great! You can purchase additional mix tubes for a reasonable cost and use as needed.
You can learn more about BJB's Armor-Bond adhesives at this link: th-cam.com/video/5pFydbe5T9s/w-d-xo.html
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Many of the filiments I was going to order are back in stock, I suppose I can forgive you Mr burning up all the filiment in the land.
My OCD would never have let me print that in so many colors unless I was going to paint the whole car when done . I would have probably had to order a pallet of the 2 colors for the whole car . :)
This has been such an awesome project to follow. Can't wait to see the finished project.
A half an hour video with zero mid roll ads? Joel you legend dude
"I wish this was a Gun-shaped Applicator"- 3D PRINT IT!!!!!!
wow! looking forward to see it finished
Always the same fun to see you together... !
This here is a testament to thinking about what you are doing when slicing your print into smaller parts. Take the time to think about how to put it back together and make adjustments to the file and everything becomes so much easier.
nice series joel. i like the idea of a larger project that lets you talk about differant things each episode and at the same time haveing the audience invested in the final product. thanks for the entertainment
Followed for this! looking forward to the finished product!
I was a little worried that this was going to be the enclosure video all over again. However, I learned a lot this time around. I've never used my calipers as a method of scoring a part (makes perfect sense now) and the hint about watching your mixed epoxy as a gauge when your glued parts are cured is golden. Thanks guys for a very informative video...
Nice job. Learned a lot of different options of attaching 3d printed parts together.
Awesome Video Joel. That collaboration was perfect, Loved every second. Keep cool.
Can't wait to see the final product! Looking good so far.
My filthy mind had a great time giggling at this. Awesome work too
I think at least the semi-flex may have been a better Idea in some if not most areas as it would allow the body to adsorb vibration more efficiently.
The sound editing and timing for this video was great.
The Semi-Flex also does a great job bonding and absorbing shock like you say. In fact, we found it bonded to glass better than the other 2 versions. The Armor-Bond Rigid version comes in at a 70 Shore D Durometer (similar to polypropylene) so it still has a fair amount of elongation and shock resistance compared to common rigid adhesives.
Great insight. thanks
Hi Joel, the next time you cut up big parts just so they will fit on your printer, you could add some registration pins and holes to the mating surfaces. Then those great big parts could be more easily put together. Thanks for the video, I can't wait to see the RC complete and speeding down the road!
Great video. I look forward to the next one.
Joel (& Bill) - sorry for swearing a little bit - but what a bloody AWESOME project - fascinating and what a great 3D Print model commitment !!!!!! Can't wait to see the finished product - Dale, Kora 3D
Nice video, those are most awesome clamps I've seen, I'm so goin to pick me up a few of them. Thanks for sharing & have a great day. God bless
Great video, love seeing you two work together. And always love to see the northwest represent.
Thank you for every second of every video you guys make,better than any television program.
Brandon Newell I agree! Love it when these two get together.
Cant wait to see this thing operational!
Man! I was really looking forward to seeing that thing drive down the street!
I work at Jefferson Laboratory (DOE Accelerator in Virginia) as a Mechanical Technician. We use a whole array of epoxies to hold together fittings and other assorted things. When using epoxy it is most effective under compression even after it has been cured. A good example is a Female NPT (National Pipe Teard) Fitting to a Male NPT Fitting. The expoy is used on the treads to prevent helium from leaking through and it holds them together preventing them from backing out or it some was walking by and accidentally hits it wont move. Using some kind of bolts to hold the pieces together would of ensured security. Just a suggestion.
its great you guys doing collabs more. good thing you guys live like across from each other
Rasta-Bill killed me lol! I can't get over how huge this thing is.
The Futurama reference that he snuck in there was pretty nice.
I liked this video alot. Better then the one where they make and enclosure together.
I love these collaborations Joel and Bill! I also love the Bill Dreads! And, the editing. Heck, I love it all. Can't wait to see the finished car. I used those mixing nozzles back in the '90s - so they've been around quite a while. Great for large surfaces that need lots of adhesive. Thanks, as always. #Highfive
Bill Doran has great bonding knowledge, I truly feel this was a great goto source, Joel that OpenRC is beyond Epic !!! - Happy Extruding !
Great video Joel. With the RC Land Rover I’m printing and building I used a 3d pen, loaded with the same PLA, to ‘weld’ all the joints on the inside. Works really well and added strength to the glued joints.....hope that helps 🖖
I’m not Into rc’s but Im into 3D printing this video process intrigued me so I’m now following
So awesome, you also seem to have had great fun building it. Please, please make sure the tarmac is smooth😉
I get some serious bench-envy every time I see Bill's workspace. Glad to see the joining turned out well, btw.
Tha whole video is interesting! Skiped school becuse of this great video! A+
love the glove dreads Bill
I'm printing the front part of the f1 while watching your video, i'm feeling my ego crushed by the hugeness of this car... :-D
Awesomely Awesome!! Does Bill do anything about managing the glue fumes? Prolonged breathing of the fumes doesn't seem healthy. I use a soldering fume extractor with a charcoal filter if I am doing a lot of gluing.
i love to watch videos of people gluing plastic together
Well the you are in luck!
Cant wait for the next parts :P
I love this video. My two favorite TH-cam people at the same time. =)
Yay it’s finally here!
Very nice video 👍🏼 But I have a small tip for you. That kind of mixing „gun“ system is also used for dental materials that work with two components where one of the ingredients acts as a catalyst. They always include lots of those application mixing nozzles. That gives you the possibility to split up the job in lots of different sessions. Squeezing the material out of the cartridge directly working without such a mixing tip isn’t good at all if you want to store it in order to use it again later on. There is always the risk of cross contamination of those two materials. That means that the material will start curing inside the cartridge. After the session is finished and the material starts setting please do not take off the mixing tip in order to put back the lid that it was shipped with. Simply leave the used mixing tip on there until you want to exchange it to a new one. Taking it off and wiping the cartridge with a cloth will also lead to that cross contamination.
You are correct. We show storing with the mix tube in our video: th-cam.com/video/5pFydbe5T9s/w-d-xo.html
oh come on it needs to be rc! seeing that 3d printed monster zooming around would be epic!
Great! I really like Bill's GloveStafari look! :D
I am looking forward to take this for a ride outside with RC
Love this it great
Question when you sliced the car to printable sizes why didn't you put dove tails to make the parts easier to line up and glue with probably more strength ?
Holy crap! I got some of that flexible sandpaper and it is seriously magical!
AWESOME!!! So cool!
Who knew gluing could be fun to watch!!!! ;-)
I was so hoping for the worlds largest Kreg Jig ! Darn! But seriously this will be an excellent test of the glue. I cant wait to see the huge outrunner and esc/battery that this thing will take. My largest LiPo is a 6000 and It wouldnt last a minute on this I bet . Nice job as always Joel
Keep up the good work!
16:50 what's the title of that song? I can't remember it!
At 17:30 you talk about the silicon left over as the mixing surface. You can use silicon cooking mats also. they sell them every place that sells cooking stuff. silicon liners for cookie sheets and so on. But like you I have always saved my old silicone scraps for just this use.
Silicone cake pans would be a good glue mixing surface.
Or a Silicone baking sheet.. Couple of bucks from China/eBay...
I have a silicon sheet, maybe 14"x18", I use to work smaller epoxy projects over. Definitely great, and yes couple bucks direct from China.
I have to work with adhesives all the time in my work. Lol. Those adhesive guns are a godsend! We call the one-time use mixer nozzles twizzle sticks. Cause the pattern looks a bit like a twizzler lol.
Twizzle sticks!
3D Printing Nerd Yep! Hahaha! I work F-35s in the Air Force. A lot of stuff has to be electrolytically sealed to the aircraft with specific adhesives. It's pretty cool!
P.S. Love the channel! I've been saving for a printer. Even considering building my own DIY style!
Great name, Twizzle Sticks! Much better than "Static Mix Tube"
Nice to see Bill and Joel in a video together.. Bill and Joel? Billy Joel!
for the silicone mat i use a mouse pad that is made of silicone, it is textured on one side, smooth on the other
Did Bill release the STLs for those bases he put on his accelerant/CA glue bottles? They look really useful!
Sil-Pads used for baking are also good to mix body filler or epoxy on
The 3m sanding sponges work awesome for this application and would by what I can tell last whole project
What's the song from around 16:30-20:00? It's one of those tracks that I've heard on a number of different channels because it's from one of those sites that has like royalty free music or something. I went to the sites they list in the description, but there's too many to comb through.
Joel, will Meshmixer allow you to use a textured pattern as the "slicig" plane to cleave the model bits? If so, that might give you a registration interface to glue up the parts. It'd also increase the surface area. I couldn't find anything in the help section . Love the channel!!!
That thing is going to be ridiculous. I love it.
You should see if you can find one of those kids ride on RC cars for cheap and take the motor and stuff out of it to get this working.
im getting a 3d printer soon, im in my 2nd year of app development and want it for peripherals, what 3d printer would you recommend please mate.
Thanks (Y)
Did you design the blue holders for the super glue and 3D print them? If you did could I possibly get the files, or how you designed them?
Seems like a center finder would be the perfect thing to 3D print!
EDIT: I hand-sand my mating surface every day.
Awesome project! You could use motors what are used on electric longboards if you wanna make it working RC :)
Joel you should make an Rc Delorean from Back to the Future and scale it up! Keep making those great vids!
Hey Joel - they sell silicone mats/sheets for craft making as a glue catcher. I have one for hot glue/scrapbooking/etc.
Should have made some little ridges/grids so they can lock together neatly
i have been wondering, is there a reason you didnt print small dowels, drilled some holes, have a slip fit for perfect alignment after gluing, and some more structural rigidity? i really wanna see this work lol, would be awesome.. guess you could try the dowel still if parts crack at the seam i guess.
0:41 give 'em the CLAMPS!!
silicone baking sheets can be bought in grocery stores or other places. This will replace having silicone molds etc
You really should make it RC, it would be awesome
Hi Joel. Just a question. Can't you use a dovetail system when connecting to halves. Ie on the wings, one side female and the other side male.
Although butt joints are simple they're the weakest type of connection and don't maintain geometry. Another option would be to add bosses to one side and recesses in the other to increase the surface area being glued as well as locating the parts. Dovetails would be better, but may need experimentation to get the optimum clearances.
yea a dovetail slot would offer way more support and if you do it on the right axis you could probably get away from glue all together
Nothing like watching two grown men working on a rc car. Anyway cool video.
0:30 - Joel's face when bill says "I've never tried anything like this" XD
Your both wonderful mad scientists!
THAT IS A COMPLIMENT!
Had to watch this 3 times just to take it all in...
What layer height was used for those parts? could we see some close ups ?
Just my two cents but I would have taken the sliced pieces and given them some dowel pins or tongue and groove joints in the model before printing. Would have given strength and alignment points for all your joints.
so many questions I got... isn't there a way for you to increase the strength of the pieces by building them with tongue/grooves or other similar concepts to allow you to basically slide them into each other as well as gluing them together? Or is that not really something that can be done because of the 3d printing material? Would you be able to get over that issue by printing it fully and than adding those grooves/slide locations post print? Just add a little extra length in the areas that you are going to be gluing them together so when you remove the material it'll be the correct length/size.
I don't have a 3d printer so i'm curious about the capabilities and using concepts of increasing strength from other materials such as wood bonding.
Hey dude! Great video! I love it! :D
THANK YOU!
Very welcome! I know you work hard on your videos and could use the feedback every once in a while. Here's another piece of feedback (and I mean it in a very neutral sense), I wouldn't mind watching the whole unedited video without the sped up edit. But either way, it's great! :)
Bill is doing so many guest appearances, he's like the Fonzie of makers.
Hey, he even did the thumbs!
So no comments about 24:45? Your hand talking and a knife moving are an intresting combo. But epic project now lets see if you are willing to try RC air planes with Flight Test.
I'd like that glue gun from BJB, esp the kit.
Tose mixing nozzles are like the best thing ever for mixing the epoxy. And those handles from bjb which other applicators are available... but yeah, those are great. use those.
What are those blue things on the super glue bottles? 3d printed holders?
As for bearings, what size are you looking for? Have you checked Grainger?
Why didn't you make the 2017 car? I might try and do something like you but with that version of the car. Awesome video by the way.
Adhesives? ABS, PLA, PETG all solvent weld very well and the resulting bond is stronger than inter-layer adhesion in the 3D printed part. Plus there is never any goo oozing out that needs to be cleaned up. Just hold the parts together and trickle in the solvent. In less than a minute the weld is strong enough to let go. The solvents used for acrylic assemblies also work for most 3D FDM feedstocks. Plastruct or IPS brand solvents are very good and a needle applicator will ensure you wick the solvent right where it is needed without marring the finish of the part. Adhesives are best reserved for when the parts don't fit together well and have gaps that need to be filled.
You guys look like professionals... ... ...
22:03 Again ... Joel thinking ... Ha! again :/ Good video!
Bill setting the new fashion standard with gloves over his ears.