.357 Magnum Ammo Test Episode 1. Remington HTP 125 gr
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 เม.ย. 2019
- Testing out what the difference is in a 4.0" barrel vs a 2.0" barrel in .357 Magnum for velocity, accuracy, and terminal ballistics. My test medium is 4 layers of denim followed by 1.75" of bologna followed by 3/8" particle board and into water jugs.
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Hydrostatic shock is no baloney!
I realize this video is 3 years old, but after watching it about 3 weeks ago I ordered two 20-round boxes of the HTP 125 gr SJHP’s for my .357 Mag, a S&W Mod 66 Combat Magnum with 2.5” barrel and Pachmayr grips I bought new in the early 80’s for my father for Christmas. It came back to me when he passed away back in 2000, and I haven’t used it much since. But seeing this video reminded me of how absotively wicked of a man stopper the 125gr HP rounds are out of a .357, so I have retired my .45 ACP w/230 gr hardball that I’ve kept for home defense for 40 years and brought the .357 back into the game for this critical role. I have lots of guns that will stop bad people, but nothing compares to the lethality that a 125gr .357 Magnum brings to the fight. Thanks for yet another excellent video Sam, keep up the good work! 👍
Yeah, "experts" can deny hydrostatic shock all they want but 357 magnum isn't listening.
A full loaded 357 at 1600 fps, let’s just say in 125g it does explode unlike any 9mm or 45 I’ve ever seen ,
To my understanding, the purpose of the lighter/hotter 125 gr magnum is to NOT over-penetrate on a man sized bad guy and was designed with a 4 inch in mind. Therefore, while it doesn’t penetrate as much and explodes things with the shock and high velocity, all that energy is released into the intended target and not traveling on through releasing much of it’s energy into the wall beyond (or worse). That’s why this round is still considered a top notch if not THE top notch man-stopper
you know sam when it come to the .357 magnum cartridge whether in a 2" 4" or 6" the high velocity of these cartridges are enough to make thoses barrel lengths result in good terminal performance on soft targets for close or long range, the 357 just has the power behind it to complete the task, granted the recoil will be determined by the weight of the bullet and the charge loaded in the cartridge, weight of the revolver and such but for a defensive stand point as one old school law enforcement officer said when working in the 80's it only took one or two shots from a 357 magnum revolver vs 15 shots to stop a hostile situation from a 9mm service side arm. excellent .357 magnum demo to the point and i must say the 357 didnt give any mercy to the bologna pack.
Thank you. I always hear the old cops say this, and we have all these charts showing this round as well as the Federal 357B being extremely potent with a 96% one shot stop in a 4" barrel. People say these charts are not real, but then where did they come from and why does my common sense tend to believe the charts?
@@GunSam Because Lucky Gunner Ammo says that caliber wars are stupid and ballistics gel works! OK, I half agree with him. Caliber wars are stupid. But AFAIC, ballistics gel only provides you with a constant medium over time. Science is about controlling all the variables you can. Also the expensive ammo all seems to perform very specifically to FBI specifications. IMO, they are gaming the system. If I am going to be rounds limited by a small gun or even the far easier to shoot K frame, I want a round that is as powerful as I can handle in terms of terminal performance. Remington G&W and HTP seems to fill the bill and be cheap enough to practice with, which will make me more effective with it. So I'm inclined to run with it.
I buy the 100 rd value pack of these at Walmart whenever I see it in stock. These fly at around 1,630fps through my Ruger GP100 6" stainless.
Best 357 man stopper out there !
That round right there that you are testing today and also the federal 125 grain semi jacketed hollow point 357 magnum are the two most devastating rounds recorded over 625 shootings 96% of those shootings were one shot so yeah when everyone's talking about these Hi-Tech Bullets nowadays and all of this other stuff the street talks my friend that's where the true testing is out on the street nice video
Thank you. I tested the Underwood 125 gr .357 yesterday and it uses the Gold Dot deep curl HP bullet. I was getting 1,475 FPS average and the bullet expansion was great and no fragmentation.
@@GunSam I must have missed that video I have to go back and watch it because I really like Bullet especially in the 357 Magnum and the 357 Sig configuration it's a lot different than the standard of gold. I'm going to go back and watch that video
Man I love 357mag... I grew up on an old farm and my dad was a big fan of the cartridge. I grew up shooting all types of guns but distinctly remember shooting his 357's. He still has them and we would shoot his Colt king cobra and Trooper mk3 ALL the time mostly the mk3 with his 38spl reloads and his hot ass handloads. This cartridge will forever be special to me. Thanks for all you do brother and I want that same Taurus you just bought!.. Congrats man!!👍✌🇺🇸
Thank you. The Taurus is pretty impressive for what it is. When it's all assembled I almost cannot tell the difference between it and a S&W. Maybe i'll buy more Taurus from now on.
@@GunSam Someone else told me that exact same thing... Taurus has finally been able to produce very reliable and accurate pistols that are very affordable. Thank you for confirming what I was told, now I will be getting me one for sure!! Happy Easter to you and yours and God bless!✌🇺🇸
I am 1 for 2. My 605 has been at Taurus for over half the time I have owned it and parts on back order. I has just past 3 months in Miami! Although, I still miss it and want it back. Bought a Model 60 after it left and after quick visit to S&W it is awesome. Think someone cowboyed it up numerous times and tweaked the yoke before it was sent to me. Now it is sweet.
If I ever hear anyone say a 2” magnum isn’t effective I’m going to refer him or her to this video!
(Not that I want one for myself. I’m perfectly fine with my .38 snubby guns.)
I have .38 and .357 snubs, they are little peace of mind packages.
Thanks! I personally feel like the .357 Magnum is fine in a 4" barrel with a 125 gr as it recoils about the same as a .38 Special in an alloy J-frame. But even at 24 OZ I feel like the Magnum is a bit much for the 2" barrel, however if you can land shots you're probably 20-25% better off than the 9mm guy that can land accurate shots.
@@GunSam My 649 is about 22oz depending on which grips are installed. I have to be honest and say that high traction rubber grips are absolutely the wrong grips for a J-Frame sized revolver with this ammo. I still have a mark from when I tested it at the range through the 649. The Monarch 158gr 357 Magnum is noticeably softer shooting. I can only assume the Monarch is no where near its listed velocity. The Monarch also seemed to be a tad more accurate, but probably not enough to matter. The Monarch had other issues which will prevent me from buying any more of it.
That 2" 357 magnum was still more powerful than 9mm 40s&w & 45acp.
@@willknowdoggs9595 I just purchased the Taurus 605 .357 magnum 2” barrel. I did not like the small grips that come on any Taurus revolver. So I ordered some bigger Hogue grips off of Amazon & I replaced them. I must say the Hogue grips are a lot more comfortable and I can actually get a really good all finger grip & much better control of the revolver. I have not shot .357 ammo through it yet but I feel a lot more comfortable now with bigger better grips in shooting the .357 ammo. I’m going to try the .38+p ammo as well.
For years I carried a 640 in 357, with Winchester 125's. Kicked like a mule, wish these had been on the market in the 80's. Like dang...
Been around since the 70's unchanged. Early HP police round. It is the beast! Blow a guys peck with one of those he won't want another instantly. Hate to see a gut shot. Someone I know put an armed robber with 1 to the pelvis and the sound made was apparently enough put a rabbit in a python cage to shame! Yikes!
Cool demonstration. I'd like to see this test again with the 158 gr Remington HTP SJHP. In other videos I have watched with the 158 the bullet held together quite well and the penetration was really good out of a 4" revolver and a carbine into the standard gel test..average of 20" with both guns...thanks for the video. Love my GP100 6"!
Hot puppies, that was fun. If deli meats could run they would run from you.
Will knowdoggs 😄😂🤣
Thank you again so much for all that you do for us !!! Greatest gunner on the TUBE !!!
Thank you much! I try to do the best that I can.
Good stuff, ought to work great out of my sp101 3'' barrel.
Yes. Probably 1,350 fps average.
Wow I'm impressed, I'd say that in the 2 inch Taurus will work lol👍thanks Sam!!
I just love this round! This is my EDC round in the Ruger LCR.
thank you for the info. your work is always very informative and useful.
Thanks, and thanks for watching!
Great stuff, makes me laugh every time that bologna flies back on you. I start chuckling and my wife looks at me funny. Good job keep it up.
It's ground meat airborn. Comedy every time!
Wow. Both are devastating and seem effective. I’m liking the Taurus. Snappy little hand cannon.
I like it. It feels pretty good and of good quality, I hope it keeps running good because it's always a good feeling to have a great low cost gun. I don't get those feelings about a $800 686 because you pay for it. But if this Taurus keeps working great it will BE great.
Love this test! I carry a Smith and Wesson 7 shot 3 inch 686 off duty. I also have a 686 4 inch. Love the bologna pack :-) You should bring it back ;-)
OG man stopper. Love the .357 mag 💪💪
Good video Sam. That looks like a viable round. Good stuff.
Thank you. I can't wait to test more.
357 POWAH! lol, beyond lethal in either barrel no doubt. Great stuff keep em coming!
Oh yeah!
Great video.
Sometimes, you just can't beat the green and yellow box.
Especially for the price!
Went out and got this as my carry ammo immediately after seeing what it did to the bologna 😂
I picked up a box of this today at a gun show ..I bet this thing will really cook out of my 5 inch GP 100 😎😁 long live the king ... #ThatMagnumLife
Thanks....I have some Remington HTP like that i had not tried out at the range yet. Looks like as others have commented that both are adequate even with the reduction in velocity.
In my opinion the .38 Special HTP that uses the same 125 gr bullet actually performs better than the .357 Magnum HTP. I get adequate penetration and over .60 cal expansion even in a snub nose.
Thank you, Sam. Most impressive test results. I agree, 357 Magnum from a 4" barrel produces hydrostatic shock. The 2" was more impressive than expected. My EAA Windicator 2.25" 357 snubby is a bit more manageable at almost 29 oz. Can't deny it. The 357 Magnum is an incredible handgun round.
Thanks for watching. The .357 magnum was the chambering of my first handgun. It will always be a great round!
@@GunSam Same here. My first handgun was a Colt Trooper 357 Magnum with a 6" barrel.
@@Me2Lancer If you don't have that one anymore i'll bet you wish you still did!
@@GunSam You're right about that Sam.
EAA ,ok pretty neat gun.
Excellent video and thank you for doing this. I love seeing "duty" sized vs. "ccw" sized comparisons insofar as external and terminal ballistics. I feel much better with my 2 1/2" S&W M66 (not that I ever didn't feel good with it, but now I feel even better). ;)
I remember gun rags back in the '80s and '90s made it sound like if you shot a .357 from a snubby you might as well just shoot .38 special because you lost all of your power. For that matter, I remember reading in older mags that if you used a 4" .357 in lieu of a 6" then you were just handicapping the round. I guess, maybe, like any media, they have to start controversy to sell ad space? So-and-so would cut barrels showing you lost so much velocity for ever inch shorter barrel. They even had me believing it for a time (until I tested a few ... nothing as fancy as your tests, but water jugs and pine boards were involved). Heck, this makes me feel even better about my 3" .44 magnum (which pundits say is basically giving me .44 spl power with brutal recoil). Even metal targets I've hit (same ones I shoot with a 4 3/4" .44 mag) have suggested short barrels really don't rob all that much power. So, again, thanks for this test. As always, great information and fun to watch!
Thank you. A lot of the talk on barrel length is all over the place and the data don't always line up. One thing that is for certain though, is typically heavier bullets lose less of their maximum potential as obviously there's less powder to lose. So something like 110 gr .357's that actually are loaded hot will lose a lot of energy dropping barrel length, but 158 gr loses a lot less.
They said a short barreled 44 magnum was just a 44 special with brutal recoil? Seems to me that if the power was the same then the recoil would be the same. Therefore, if the magnum out of a short barrel has brutal recoil, then it also has more power.
@@mmabagain It does lose some power from a shorter barrel but not nearly as much (apparently) as some would have us believe. I can remember gun gurus bemoaning anyone carrying less than a 6" barrel because, even with magnums, they said you just wouldn't much from a 4" tube. Yeah, that was a real thing, and so, so wrong. From what I've cobbled together, it seems like a 3" .44 mag doesn't lose a whole lot to a 4". This seems to hold true for .357 and such as well.
One shot stops are a real thing!😂😂😂
Hopefully!
They were when your pectoral muscle just exploded or a arm or leg. Buddy dropped an armed robber snap shot blew his pelvis apart and will never walk again or breed! He did not want anything to do with guns after that moment. G&W box 125 SJHP Remington. Oh and numerous state cops and several county guys have told me since switching back to 9mm they have had several shot in then head only to have the bullet slide around the skills and they still shoot back. Never had that with 40, 357 Sig or Mag. And the report that they FBI used to declare 9mm just as effective also states the 9mm has never ever been as effective as the 40,45, or 357sig or Mag. EVER. Guy I shoot with retire letter agent senior Firearms instructor called a buddy in the FBI and they said 1 could not give women inferior gun (politically not feasible) and qualifications doubled up front. Not a better more effective gun, but one that was easier to shoot with less training. And they found women physiologically differentl from men in a way that made it hard if not impossible for a lot of women to even be able to shoot and qualify with the 40 and 45. So they needed and excuse to go back to the ineffective round.
Nice video always wondered what my carry rounds do out of the same 605 in a ballistic test. Ive used it on varmints and feel recoil isnt very bad but that said only gun i can say really hurts my hand is my Blackhawk 45 colt with HOT loads and i have 357s 44mags 10mms and others i load for. But again thanks for the video great results out of a 2" very fast and hard hitting in a small easy to carry package!
Thank you. I expected about 1,250 FPS in a 2" with a round rated at 1,500 FPS in a 4", so I would say I far exceeded that expectation.
Yeah faster then i thought the american gunner is 125grains at 1500 so i would say close to the same never chronoed any but that is impressive i must say.
Great video again
Thank you.
As always wonderful video !!! Really thinking about getting that exact same snubby
Thank you. It seems pretty good so far.
@@GunSam Just for fun sometime, you should load up some 38 spl super hot for that snubby. in the 1200-1300fps range for 125gr. technically it would be a touch easier to extract. but obviously make sure its clearly labeled for a .357 only . if you do. it might make a nice video idea :)
@@masongates246 I think those would technically be .38/44's :)
@@GunSamtrue. but if kept in the 1200fps range the cup pressure should not be near max .357. just a fun thought that us reloaders have.
@@masongates246 To push a 125 gr at lets say 1,250 FPS in a snub nose, that would take some serious load data as I can barely do that velocity with .357 magnum load data in a 4" barrel. I personally believe to get that kind of speed in a snub nose you would be at the max pressure for a .357 magnum and even then i'd be skeptical. Now if you used a lead bullet maybe, but then you would have a lot of smoke, like too much. I think realistically a 125 gr loaded in a .38 Special case with the right powder hitting the 25,000 PSI( I don't know the conversion for CUP) would push it in a 2" barrel at 1,050 FPS, maybe 1,100. That's just my take on it, but I could be wrong.
Good stuff. For some reason i thought the bullets had been improved so they don't fragment much, if at all. For example, i don't remember them fragmenting in Paul Harrell's meat target. But sone fragmenting is ok. A very positive energy dump. And real world results have told us that this style of load works very well. Go be happy.
Water will cause more upset and fragmentation than Paul's meat target.
Can't track down fragments in meat as good as you can in gel/water.
I opened up YT and this old video was at the top of my recommended list. I had forgotten about it. This is my baseline for 357 Magnum. One cylinder's worth in my M&P340 causes injury. Not much, but some. It's the load I compare all other 357 to like BB 19H which is ever so slightly less hot. And over to the right, I see the Corbon 110gr JHP. I'll watch that video next.
I still don't know if hydrostatic shock is a real thing in pistols or not. I've heard it said both ways. It really comes down to the elasticity of the tissue in question. Bologna is not very elastic. Neither are milk jugs.
This matches well with what I've read about hydrostatic shock. 500 ft-lbs seems to be a threshold for causing enough shock to damage organs.
So says a lot of hunting data
@@ewetho I figure that's why people commonly use .357 Magnum for deer, but nothing less potent like 9mm or .45 acp.
You IMO are better than TN outdoors who I liked, but your testing and overall approach is better!
Thanks!
Looking forward to your videos. Please do an update on the Taurus after you get some good rounds through it
I plan to. I'm not giving it any slack and i'll try to keep a round count estimate. I feel like exact round counts are in some regards silly as dry firing can put as much wear on a transfer bar and .38 Special vs .357 Magnum in it are going to affect it differently. Overall, the way the gun is built it's more of a gun to run a lot of .38's through it with occasional magnum's.
@@GunSam I agree.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ awesome!!
The 357 is just an amazing cartridge honesty 1 shot will turn a bud guy into a suit and tie guy
I’m praying for Kimber to make a K6 revolver with a 4” barrel. As much as I like my 4” GP-100, it’s more suited for the having fun at the range than for carry. A 4” Kimber K6 loaded with a good 125 grain defensive round (that gets 1400+ fps without too much recoil) would be perfect.
First Name Last Name I know they’ve got a 3” now I believe. 👍🏻
Haven’t bought one(cause of the prices I just end up buying a S&W Performance center) but I really like that K6S, that thing is alittle tank! It feels very well made. I don’t have a 357 Snubbie but I may get one one day if I decide I wanna conceal carry .357mag....🤔
A 3" barrel is a good compromise. Longer sight radius, more weight out front to help with recoil, and not all that much velocity loss. And not really any harder to conceal. The K6 is very nice with a good trigger. I have been wanting a 3" one myself. About the same weight as my 2.25" SP-101, a better trigger, and a full 6 rounds. Don't really "need" another 357 snubby, but gun owning and collecting is not about need.
Yes and a full loaded 357 125g does 1450 out of the snubby , devestating
Pretty solid round! I don't feel underarmed with this in my revolver that's for sure. The shock from that 4" barrel was wicked... Makes me want to load some of these really hot to try and get velocities approaching 1,400.
I have shot Hodgdon Reloading Data max load of H110 behind those Remington 125 SJHP in both my Taurus 605 and S&W 60 and while they pack a wallop they can be shot even at a defensive pace. Out of my Taurus 66 4" they are just sweet! But the concussion on all of them require double ears at the range. No one will wonder if your shooting Magnum loads... Just ask how big! In fact my order of 2K of those recently arrived. Now my 44 that is another discussion!
@@ewetho sweet! Do you know what kind of velocity you got out of the 605?
@@Lakikano just saw this response sorry, but no personal Chronograph for revolver.
Wow, moral of the story, don't get hit by any .357 :)
But people say you lose most of your power out of a snub nose...MOST of it lol
@@GunSam I think we just witnessed otherwise!!!!!!🤣🤣
This will work, I'm sure of this! Be on the lookout for stray wolfs following you around. Have fun and stay safe.
We have coyotes...I actually strip the packs and leave the meat, it's always gone when I come back another day.
Have you thought of setting up a cam after you're there? Be great video. @@GunSam
@@JohnDoe-vq8bg haven't really thought of it. I have a trail cam out there but I have no idea if it even works anymore.
I own a model 19 snubby and it has rubber grips. The gun is steel and is heavy enough for 125 grain ammo. Gun show had an odd box of Buffalo Bore 200 grain hard cast and I bought them. I had a shooter next to me he said even if you miss you will be able to set somebody on fire. I don’t recommend any ammo heavyer than 125’s in any snubby. This is just my opinion but bologna don’t lie. Thank you for your videos and stay safe.
I try to explain that to people a lot but they don't get it, I hear "158, 158, 158 GR!!!!! for .357 Magnum", but in reality 110 gr which are loaded light, 125 gr and other short barrel or known light loads are the way to go. If I went from my experience there's only 3 Magnum rounds i'd ever recommend for a snubby and those are American Gunner 125 gr, Golden Saber 125 gr and Gold Dot short barrel .357 as these are manageable. I have not tested the lighter 110 gr loads that Winchester and others make, but I bet those would be good loads. The 110 gr Winchester look like they are loaded low enough to avoid flame cutting.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Gun Sam in my experience I have found that there is a bullet weight that hits the sweet spot. And I think it also applies to rifle cartridges by design. Thank you for your reply I hope that I am right just once in awhile or close. As you I try to prove my opinions and it’s a lot of fun to be right.
So I finally got around to shooting some of this stuff out of my 66-8 with 2.75" barrel. HOLLY F@CKING RECOIL, BATMAN!!! I really need to get the tang packed better into the web of my hand because just six rounds gave me a blister! Also my ear pro was strained to the limit and I was shooting at an outdoor range! It shoots to a way different point of impact at 12 yards than UMC 130gr 38Spl.
Haha, I didn't find it that bad, maybe I don't recall. It was similar to the 158 gr version. I had the original grips on it and remember snappiness and the knurling on the grip printing on my skin.
@@GunSam I think I just didn't pack the tang into the web of my hand enough. Also I don't have much meat there.
Effectively a snubby so grab tight and hang on! I shoot these out of my Taurus 66, 605, and S&W 60. Snubs are a handful but manageable even in defensive shooting class and the 4" 66 is definitely fun!
Hey GunSam try Reloading with 125 Remington SJHP over max load of H110 and run those, probably not much different than Remington Factory loads but also try the Hornady 180XTP out of a 44 on top of a max load of the same H110/W296. That is a Handful with the 31.5gr of powder.
His velocity for the Remington 125 is near identical to my 38 Super handload with 124 XTP. I gotta try this test to compare. I think the XTP is a harder bullet than most, being rated for for velocities to 1500. 9x23 should also do about the same as this 357. The 2" was very impressive. I consider the 158 gr a hunting weight bullet though for hunting anything larger than WT deer a hard cast SWC is the better choice. 357 mag has been the champ for 1 shot stops on people for a very long time. I am not a strong believer in "shock" unless its very close to the CNS or its transmitted by bone or a large blood vessel. Based on a lot of hunting with a very wide variety of calibers and guiding hunters for a time when younger.
Guess I'm old school but I prefer 3 or 4 inch bore. That being said im in the woods a lot but if I lived in a big city I would probably have a 357 2 inch sp101. They can handle the hot ammo like Underwood and buffalo bore.
There comes Sam again, going to raid the baloney shelf and head across the street to Lowe's to buy another roll of tape, and sheet of particle board.
Next in the grocery, Paul Harrell. Now we're fresh out of watermelon, oranges, and pork ribs.
Joann Fabrics is running low on denim and leather, Kohl's is running out of t-shirts, but the ammo companies are doing better than ever. In other news, Culligan inexplicably fills only half as much water jugs as they buy from the molding company.
Haha. I actually use old jeans and khaki's, and it's surprising how long a pair lasts when using it for denim patches. The wood is scrap from my kitchen floor, it's actually more compressed and tougher than the normal thought of what particle board is. I have family members save their drinking water jugs for me and I save and wash all my milk jugs. Once in awhile I have to supplement my water jugs by putting out the .82 cents for a filled jug, but that's rare. Believe it or not the bologna saves me money and supplies. Before the bologna/wood each bullet would penetrate through 3-5 jugs, now it's rarely more than 2. The bologna I buy is the cheapest one can find, rather than the "real" $2 brands in the resealable tub, I buy the $1.09 cheap plastic wrapped kind. That's just a look into some of my preparation. Thanks for watching!
@@GunSam I figured you were doing it all right. I was merely painting a comical meme. hahaha
@@lifted_above I know. And I believe that Paul once mentioned that people stare at him when he has like 20 watermelons in his cart lol. Someone needs to call his range there and work out a deal in the back and we can chip in and send him a million watermelon seeds.
@@GunSam How does that man stay so healthy eating as much pork and drinking as much soda as he does?!!
Yeah, baloney is only good for shooting at anyway. Gross so-called meat product.
@@lifted_above My kids eat that junk on toasted bagels. I have no idea where they came up with that idea, but teenage girls be hungry for some weird shtuff.
You ought to see what 357 does to hard salami and Swiss cheese, unbelievable!
"For those who haven't seen it before, this is the Jug or Not target"
Another great and very informative video! Gonna show it to my neighbor. He thinks the .357 has approximately 70% loss in performance when fired from a 2" barrel. Was wondering if you have ever weighed your model 605 to see if it actually weighs 24 ounces. My model 605 with the matte stainless finish that I purchased new about 18 months ago only weighs 21.8 ounces, going to call Taurus and ask them why.
Thank you, and yes I weighed mine on a dietary scale as that's all I have, and it showed 21 oz. I wondered why its mislabeled as well, possibly 24 oz is its loaded weight?
@@GunSam that's what I was thinking Sam. I did put 5 round's in it and it weighed it again and it weighed almost exactly 24 ounces loaded. The little digital scale I have is very accurate
You can see why this round is number one in stopping power in actual shootings. A fragmentation grenade is the only adequate description for this. I love how people try and say the 9mm is the same. Get real.
Yes, and this is why the stopping power charts list 96% one shot stop and lists Winchester, Remington and Federal SJHP as basically the same. Even if a 9mm were capable of getting to 1,450 FPS with a 124 gr bullet, it still would not be as effective as a SJHP 125 gr at 1,450 FPS.
It appears that your not giving a lot, of performance going to the 2 inch, .357 has so much power, where a smaller caliber might be more affected . I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end from either revolver. Another informative video.
I think about 150 FPS loss. It's something, but that something is 110 ft lbs or a .22 LR worth of energy lost. That being said the 2" still delivers about 90 to 130 ft lbs more than MOST of the 9mm I test in a 4" barrel.
Great video... will you ever test 357 ammo that is heavier than 158?? Such as180 gr??
Thank you. I did test one once in an older video before I tested with bologna packs, but it was strictly with a 4" barrel. I will have to keep it in mind as I have had a few different comments about 180 gr. It's an interesting concept in a snub nose because theoretically it should be very efficient with a lot less wasted powder, which makes a lot of sense for a short barrel. I have a feeling the muzzle rise would be high though. th-cam.com/video/qbwvNiAGBhM/w-d-xo.html
@@GunSam awesome... but that would be a great test with the snub nose and 180...
Only Gun Sam can pull off snubbie 357 ... the groups amazing ... man stopper no doubt.. but try that on an Brown Bear??? Would you just make him mad?
Thanks. I think typically you want a high sectional density for bear, so 180 gr or at a minimum 158 gr as the deflection of the bullet off a rib is less likely. Not to say a 125 gr wouldn't do the job, but there's not a lot of bullet there, so if it flattens like a pancake on the rib cage, there might be some trouble for you. Something like a 180 gr won't totally flatten, and there's a lot of bullet to keep pushing forward after a bone hit.
I'm debating on 38 or 357. Little worried about the noise if I had to use 357 indoors
In self defense with Adrenalin the ears will not notice the sound as the reduction in audible db drops to something like 40 db to you, when in reality .357 Mag close to 150 db. The ears can still be damaged, but your efficiency should not be effected in the moment.
It’s my go to in 6” Python, and if you think 6” is not as lethal with this round don’t be in front of it when it goes off.
How does the htp 125 gr perform through barriers?
Would this be good for the Smith and Wesson 327 2”?
Are you going to try and pocket carry the two in 357 Magnum for a while? Or maybe iwb?
I probably won't carry it much, but it fits my pocket holster well but requires a belt for sure!
@@GunSam I'm thinking you should be able to carry it just like your 642 put a set of hogue tamer grips on there for a better grip and you should be good to go
I really like your videos. You need to be doing dry practice drill every night with your snubby if your “not used to the pull.” 😉🖖🏼
It wasn't a matter of anything anyone could practice. Normal revolvers have a small gap between the rear of the trigger and the trigger guard, so if your skin gets in there a little bit, no problem. With the 605 the rear of the trigger touches the trigger guard on a full pull, so the skin on my finger would literally prevent the trigger from being pulled, so to fire it you have to completely modify the trigger squeeze and grip to actually fire it. Now days it's fine, I have learned to basically pull the trigger on my second joint, it's just weird though because I have never had another revolver do that the way the Taurus does.
This is my carry round in my 4" GP100. I just acquired an SP101 and would like to carry it in that as well, but the Lucky Gunner gel test shows it penetrating 14.2" from the 4" barrel (perfect) but only 11" out of a 2" barrel (not quite enough, right?). Your results, which may be more realistic, show the 2" penetrating deeper than the 4"... so I'm not sure. What are your thoughts on that?
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sent link for gel test of my own, the UMC I test is the same thing as the HTP, just different box.
@@GunSam You are the best! Thank you! It seems to expand well and do a lot of damage out of both barrels but I'm not sure if it penetrates enough out of a snubnose or not. I don't know if it's true but I'm reading that the FBI uses 12-18" as the desired distance from shooting through an arm into the middle of the torso. So 10-11" penetration could be quite good for a citizen defender if that's the case. Am I off base with that?
I always felt the Remington 125gr 357 loads were pretty hot. This seems to back that up.
I’ve shot this stuff in 3 different snubs (649 Smith, LCRx Ruger, and K6S Kimber 3” barrel) and I can 100% say the easiest to shoot is the Ruger in-spite of it being considerably lighter.
The Hogue Tamer grips that come on the LCRs make all the difference.
@@brianblackburn-author7531 yeah my 649 will work with a speed loader. I have rosewood combat grips on it though. That’s part of my recoil problem with it though lol. They look good however.
The LCR will work with a speed loader too. I don’t have one for the Kimber because it holds 6.
I do love the 649 though. Very good pocket gun.
@@brianblackburn-author7531 my 649 doesn’t actually have hogue grips. I did change them to a rosewood boot grip to help with putting it in my pocket.
My Ruger now came factory with Hogue tamer grips. They definitely tame recoil but they are a little bigger than even what comes on the J frame from the factory.
I don’t have a part number but just look up grips for a J frame with a round butt and they will work with your 649.
I miss the jugornot test .
That honestly looks better out of the 2 inch. Seems that bullet design isn't up to snuff about 1400 fps. 125 gr xtp and some h110 sometime in the future.....??
I think you're right. I tested the .38 Special version of HTP which uses essentially the same 125 gr bullet, and it did well and expanded to over .60 cal. The .357 sheds some lead along the way. I can't wait to test the Federal Hydrashok 158 and 130 gr and Speer Gold dot 125 gr in magnums, as I believe they will do much better.
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Looking forward to that man! Can you HST bullets to reload? I've never found them. I dont buy ammo anymore lol. Keep it up bud! I've almost watched all your videos!
@@dannyshearman7068 thanks. I actually find great deals on the HTP, probably same price as ammo as what just the bullets would cost if anyone could find them.
Different design philosophy. The 125 SJHP from Remington is an old round from the 70's and they let it go in an explode which may suck for hunting but does a number on stopping or convincing someone to stop. 1/2" wound track my back side. Those are devastating. Think about the area of that baloney somewhere in the body and that area getting damaged like that. And the sub-surface tissue too... Ouch. Plus the core does meet FBI spec for penetration so OUCH! My favorite round short of full house 110/296 loads with those bullets.. someone did a gel shot ant the petals peeled off in a starburst pattern about 4" in diameter...this is not a hunting bullets where you are trying to save meat and have a non closable would channel for good blood trail... This just provides maximum damage near the entrance and still penetrates per FBI.
@@ewetho From what I understand, and have heard about the 125's@ 1,450 FPS which show 96% one shot stop on stopping power charts, is that even though these are just numbers and other cartridges might show similar numbers, the .357 Mag was never in question as people who have shot someone with a 4" Magnum with a 125 gr describe the situation as "lights out". Some say this is from the sound as well causing greater psychological effect, but either way it's effective.
You should do different wts out of a four inch 357 mag. See what the velocity is and water or gel test that i dont really like because of no bone or orher tissue thats in the way or path of the bullets. I dont thinks its an accurately results. Just shows penetration.
I have tried many weights out of .357 Mag 4" in my other tests. Pretty much between 125 gr and 158 gr are what perform best. The 125's have less felt recoil but bullet fragmentation, the 158's are a better choice for 4" barrel overall as they expand, don't fragment and penetrate well. Now if we are talking either a snub or a lighter alloy 4" barrel, than 125 gr are better because the recoil is manageable.
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Thank for that info, but no short barrel do i own.
The box should advise you to wear a poncho before shooting someone with that stuff. Bad Guy everywhere!!! LOL.
I like this ammunition. And it's cheap enough to practice with, so you can learn to manage the recoil rather than mucking about with girlie 38 Spl range ammo loads.
Possibly. I may need to change my grip first :) I'm starting to understand why so much light magnum ammo is out there, essentially to make the .38 a tad hotter but label it .357 mag just to sell it to MAC lololol
@@GunSam LOL! Yeah, I can show exactly where the rubber grip tore my skin open. Counterintuitive as it may seem, the wood grips work better. So long as the force goes into the heal of your hand, you should be able to deal with it. But having rubber stick to your hand and literally tear at it hurts! Now I'm not saying I am immune to recoil. Not at all. For a day of plinking, I'll go with the girlie loads! Look at the grips on a Bisley and consider what that bad boy is meant to shoot. You get a lot of muzzle rise with that. That means the grips are sliding along your skin. I think those old single action folks learned something when it comes to big bore shooting.
@@Fudmottin just put wood Hogue grips on my 610 & 629 and now get a blister on my thumb knuckle. Ops. Might go back to rubber version. I shot my 605 & 66 in a defensive class without issue. Ok it hurts shooting both my Taurus 605 and S&W 60 but not enough to not keep shooting.
@@ewetho I'm not sure why, but my 629 is more comfortable to shoot than my 66-8. I think fit is a big part of the picture.
I split the difference in my 686+ 3”!?! 🤔👍🏻
110 gr perfect for the 2 inch
I got the 2 inch polymer....
Do you like the 605?
I like it so far. It's very much like a S&W. The trigger is a little grittier than the 686 and heavier than it, but similar in trigger pull weight to my 342 .38 snubby but again just a little grittier. With time this should smooth out.
Mine the trigger is fine. Not S&W fine but close and stages well. The problem I had is could not eject rounds like those. Bad cylinder I am afraid. It is currently at Taurus awaiting resolution. From all the reviews and responses mine seams like an aberration not the rule. My M60 S&W is a cleaner but slightly heavier trigger pull. No trouble shooting either.
Great video. You should wear a wetsuit when your testing magnum loads.
Someone else mentioned a poncho earlier lol
Thats better for a 125 grain in A 357. 38 sp was a bit anemic in the last vid
Still like a 158 grain jhp. With appropriate ammo. At least 1200.fps +.
Imagine a human skull is the jug with the bones blown apart into several big pieces, but loose and movable inside the skin bag of your scalp. With blood, bone fragments, and pinkish grey mush (brain tissue) coming out of the exit wound. I've seen that several times with plain old 38 Special. Police, the US Government, and many military units used 38 for a really long damn time. It wasn't because they were stupid.
You need a new grip for that Taurus. MY hand hurt watching this video. :)
The thing that's not great is that the grip has a roll pin, so at this point I have not figured out how to remove it.
@@GunSam Sam, th-cam.com/video/Y4rj42sC7L8e/w-d-xo.htmlre is how to remove it. Steve
People who dismiss FPE/hydrostatic shock have never handgun hunted for pigs or black bear. Ive shot both with .357 Mag, .45 ACP, and .44 Mag. You'll NEVER see anyone thats got a single ounce of common sense hunting either of these critters with a 9mm anything. And if the 357 and 45 are fully capable of taking these animals cleanly, yet the 9mm isnt, HOW can anyone argue that theres no difference in performance between the 9mm and 45 on a human target?? They like to quote that FBI report, but IMHO, that particular entity has list all credibility a long time ago, in all respects. If one cartridge can take a 250-350 lb boar or bear but another cant, how can you argue the one that can isnt superior?? Im not saying that a 9mm isnt ENOUGH gun for self defense. 9mm ammo has came a long way in the last 30 years. BUT theres no way it does the same or similar damage as the 45, and if that were true, WHICH IT ISNT, then why do so many people still carry it?? Are they all stupid, every one of them? I doubt it.
Personal opinion, I think the FBI put that info out there as false information to keep its own agents from facing more lethal threats. After all, NATO 9mm ball ammo is +p rated so it wont cause FTF/FTE problems in military 9mm sub machine guns. If thats the case, it being a +p round, why so many complaints from troops in Iraq and Afghanistan about the lack of stopping power in their ammo? Yes, its ball ammo. But Im a Veteran of both the USMC and the US Army, and Ive never in my entire life heard an older Vet (WW2,Korea, or Vietnam talk about the .45 ACP ball not doing its job. Great video, and this is just one Grunt speaking from the masses.
Hahaha - that .357 is NASTY!... Even out of a 2" barrel! 😄
Why 125 grain?
What do you mean? That's the way 125 gr ammo comes, in 125 gr LOL
So, maybe a 3" barrel.
haha. Once money grown on trees :)
Yeah, a 2 vs a3 vs a4 would be sweet.
@@NEPAGUNTALK I think that the only 3" that comes to mind is the SP101 and those are not cheap. Ugh, long story short I owned a 3" SP101 for ONE day in 2016 but it was given to me specifically to be traded in. I wish I would have kept it.
No worries man.
@@NEPAGUNTALK And that's where the model 66 steps in. 😎
To bad its 35bucks for a box of twenty now days
Nothing to see here it is no different than a 9mm. What are you thinking...
Oh wait the baloney did not explode with a 9mm??? Say it ain't so....
So this ammo would be great in a 3 inch Ruger sp101?