🥇What's the Best .357 Magnum Load❓ Critical Defense VS Gold Dot VS UMC VS Black Talon - Gel Test
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- Doing an informal bare gel test between the Remington UMC 125 gr SJHP, the Hornady Critical Defense 125 gr FTX and the Speer Gold Dot 125 gr JHP, and comparing them to the Winchester SXT (Black Talon) 180 gr JHP. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co... Also a new part of info always shared, is that if you're wondering why I lean back when I shoot, I am not. www.youtube.co....
The problem with comparing .357 ammo is that your worst performer is probably better than your best round of any other caliber.
True that. Haha
I agree.
I love my S&W 686 w/4" barrel. And all that "knock down" power.
Meh, 45 ACP can usually outdo it fairly often. But those Black Talons are a force to be reckoned with.
@@vlogfriendsutopia In your dreams.
I would feel great carrying any of these rounds. The advantage of the Remington is you can get 100 round boxes: Use half for training and half for carry.
Yeah, and I said the same thing sort of in another test I filmed today. HTP Remington 110 gr .357 Mag. Low recoil, cheap enough for targets.
@@GunSam I haven't been unable to find the HTP in 110. I also haven't been able to find primers. I wonder how well small rifle primers would work (CCI 450). I have no misgivings about using CCI 550, but I have fewer of them.
@@Fudmottin they work I used the CCI military #41 when I couldn’t find anything in my Ruger Security Six worked fine. Will suggest working your ways up as always or just use 10% less powder. But like I said I noticed 0 difference between the small pistol and the CCI military #41 small rifle primers. In my 357 loads
I roate my rounds. The newest stuff is my carry. The older stock is for training. Just my routine.
Huge advantage
I love the Speer Gold Dot. But my nostalgic heart picks the old school Remington 125 gr scalloped semi jacketed HP.
Great video!
If nothing else, it looks like the 357 Magnum will take the wind out of you! It's really hard to make a bad 357 load, IMO. You would have to use the absolute worst possible bullet for the intended target.
Awesome video. My personal favorite 357 carry load is Remington UMC 125 grain semi jacketed hollow point. I use it in a Ruger SP-101 3”. Thank you for once again showing the wonder 9 crowd why some of us still prefer wheel guns sometimes.
I had a Taurus Model 66, 4inch .357 Magnum explode with the barrell blasting outwards when I shot a Corbon 125 grain .357 bullet. I then bought a Ruger GP100 4 inch barrel and have shot a hundred rounds of the same Corbon load. The GP 100 is still intact and working fine. Beware of revolvers other than S&W and Rugers in Magnum loads. I now shoot only Corbon bullets.
Amen to that
@@nicholasroberts9618 Can't beat them deadly rounds for stopping a thug or two.
The 125 Federal JHP used to be the best “one shot stopper” out of a handgun. Probably wouldn’t pass the FBI standards today due to fragmentation and being a little short on penetration in 2 legged critters but it worked. Thanks for the video Sam!
357B The most documented round because it was used by so many Police departments throughout the U.S. and the round I use in all my .357 revolvers including my 340PD (ouch)!
My #1 carry load in .357M is the Gold Dot. My #2 is 158 grain Rem UMC SJHP because that was all I could find, and I got it at a decent price in a 100 round box. The recoil will cross your eyes. I'm still looking for the 125 grain JHP for my #2. Thanks for this comparison test.
The gold dot hit that gel with some authority. Picked it up higher than the others. Wow
I think you need to remember that the pressure specs for the .357 Magnum was dropped in 1995(?) from 43500 PSI to 35000 PSI. That most certainly had an impact on effectiveness.
.357 in the Ellifritz study did about as well as shotguns. That's absolutely insane. If somebody invented a gun that can't miss, that's .357 Magnum.
Yeah, .357 is something special. About maxed out in shootability for a handgun, bottom rung rifle effect.
The longer the barrel, the better it gets. Even up to 20".
@@rangefinderz5135 Trouble with buckshot is it doesn't penetrate the same. Sectional density in round ball is not very good.
@@rangefinderz5135 Sam has demonstrated 410 buckshot in former videos, but that was with the Governor, not a shotgun barrel length.
You might be able to achieve comparable performance from a 20ga or so loaded with 000 buckshot, with full length shotgun barrel. Trouble with that is we are comparing a full length shotgun (or defense length shotgun) with a snubby revolver that can be carried in your pocket. It's just not in the same camp of use. .357mag also doubles its power in a 20" carbine. So if we much compare a defensive shotgun vs. a snubby to achieve similar performance, then we're taking the best of what the shotgun world has to offer compared to the most diminished version of what the revolver world has to offer. Seems very unfair.
@@rangefinderz5135 No arguing with a good 00 buck 12ga load for stopping a threat. But it's just not the same weapons platform as a snubby. Really hard to compare.
Think about it - fragmenting rounds like the fed & rem worked better Because of those fragments going out and making a larger radius of damage. Then, IF that person gets to the doctor... think of all the MORE damage done on the table as they slice after every little fragment! I am sure the doctors like the NON fragmenting boolitz lots better, just a clean hole to patch. Jerry
I have believed this as well. That's why I think the 125 gr .357 Sig, while it might hit 1,400 FPS, the XTP, Gold Dot or whatever other bullet it needs to feed will not compare to the classic .357 Magnum.
Interesting comparison. Thanks! The 125 JHP has had a great rep for years. When my ex-cop wife had to use her .357 in the mid 90’s it was a 125 JHP that did the job. But the newest ones are clearly improved. A comparison that might be interesting to folks in New Jersey and any other crazy places that ban hollow points, could be the 125 JSP compared to the JHP. I know we have other alternatives to hollow points these days, but it would be interesting to know if a 4” magnum has enough velocity to reliably expand a 125 JSP like it does JHP.
@@jorgesolis9468 I don't think so because even FMJ and RNL will expand in some circumstances. I think the NJ law references Hollow Points.
@@jorgesolis9468 don’t know. I’m in Washington, which is bad enough. If so, that would limit you to those “Phillips screwdriver” non-expanding rounds like Lehigh Defense and their Xtreme Defense Fluid Transfer Monolithic 120 grain copper in .357. Frankly, if I was stuck in a place like that I’d want the biggest possible bullets in a hard cast wadcutter, maybe trade my .45 for a .50 or something.
@@jorgesolis9468 I traveled to NJ ten years ago and at that time I understood that the Pow`Rball, a plugged FMJ hybrid-round, was legal in NJ and a couple other states who outlawed or regulated JHP. That was then but that is my understanding of that law. But it's NJ; it doesn't have to make sense, it's just their law.
The joys of Mississippi. The only ammo restrictions are, what can you afford, and how much can you personally carry. And "constitutional carry" is the icing on that cake. Good luck in Jersey.
@@mattbrown5511 I viisited Mississippi around 2017, enjoyed taking my sidearm and carrying. 👍
Ok now I am sure Sam has access to my google searches .... How did he know I was looking for the best .357 magnum load . Man this guy is good .
All seem effective. Go Gold Dot overall.
One of your best videos IMHO: quick and to the point. I carry Critical Defense in my LCR .357 Magnum snub. One cylinder at the range is all my 66 year-old hands want to deal with. The rest of the day is spent w/148 gr wadcutters and 158 gr JHP in .38 Special. Would carry Gold Dot if I could find some around here. Always look forward to getting your notifications. Thanks!
Those Remingtons UMC are almost explosive out of a 8in barrel. Good for fleshy targets.
I see no reason not to use the legendary 125gr SJHP mady by Federal, Remington or Winchester.
I Love the old school sjhp rounds but the exposed lead is why I don't use it in speed strip or speed loaders. Still good stuff though 👌!
@@lukedemello2077 Modern Hornady critical defense rounds are certainly an excellent option, as are Gold dots.
@@rangefinderz5135 I've never seen those. That's an unusual and nteresting weight for a 357 mag.
@@rangefinderz5135 Honestly you probably have to look far and wide for a genuinely bad 357 magnum defensive hollowpoint round.
@@rangefinderz5135 I agree.
Great test! The .357 Mag continues to amaze. What a great, effective & classic round. That Gold Dot rocked the block! I just had to say that... 😏
the rem sjhp with its 1970's tech and gold got are the best. The rem sjhp has explosive, guarenteed expansion and awesome penetration. Too much emphasis is given on wieght retention. If it expands and penetrates as you want, it could have 5 grains left and it wouldnt matter. Probably one of the best round ever created, equal with the GD.
Great video (as always)!
My .357s (2 1/2" and 4") are loaded with Remington 125 gr SJHPs ... mainly because that's what I have the most of, .357 wise. Looks like of the four that Gold Dot hit the hardest (unless it was just where it hit .. but either way ... wow). For sure, though, if any of those four center punch a bad guy, he's had a very bad day. Back when wheel guns ruled the day, I used either Remington or Winchester ammo for mine. Crazily, I know now, I often had 110 gr Winchesters in my snubby ... not the deepest penetrating round, LOL.
That's what's in my .357's too. One of the few rounds to be manageable in a snub but still full power. Seems like even Federal's version is more wrist snapping.
That is why I went with a 4" barrel 686. that extra weight really helps tame recoil. And yes, it is my every day carry handgun. I can't afford to buy anything else. "Beware the man that trains with one gun." I've had mine for a long time.
@@mattbrown5511 -Nothing wrong with that. The extra 1.5" of barrel really don't make the my Dan Wesson 4" harder to hide than my 2.5" S&W. At least not for IWB carry. Long ago, my only center fire handgun was a 4" S&W model 19. Kinda ragged out when I got it, but I wish I still had it. If it's what ya got, you learn to make do, right? Nothing in the world wrong with a good K-frame or L-frame .357.
@@CeltKnight Due to my injuries from my time in the US Army (grunt), I carry in a shoulder rig. In my area and with my age, etc., Wearing a plaid button up is perfectly normal (grey man idea). Under my circumstances, hiding that 3 pound monster is fairly easy. I try not to poo-poo any shooter. I wish more people would exercise the 2ND. Be well and shoot straight friend.
@@mattbrown5511 Thank you for your service and sacrifice. I love shoulder rigs and have several but here on the Gulf Coast I can only get away with adequate cover for one maybe 3 or 4 months a year. Then I stick out. Cargo vests come and go in popularity here and I have a couple that work. :)
I have pretty much permanent sciatica in my left hip from toting there for so many years as a LEO. Too tight a belt, falls, etc. didn't help. Nothing compared to your situation but enough to make me really appreciate a good shoulder rig. For my last few years as a detective I used a Miami Classic, but we open carried our service guns.
Anyway, well met, my friend!
My favorite 357 magnum load for defense is Remington 125 grain semi jacketed hollow point. My favorite 357 revolver for defense is my Ruger SP-101 3”
Yes sir, I enjoyed this presentation! Especially since you confirmed that my EDC Speer Gold Dot is a top performer.
Hey, what about another presentation that’s very similar? Sep’ add the Speer Gold Dot short barrel projectile to the mix and maybe a cast lead hollow point projectile?
Anyway, love the bare gelatin slow motion right beside the expansion pic. Very cool.
I have tested the short barrel version before. While it's a good round, it's pretty low on power. It works well in a snub but in a 4" barrel it just fragments.
Black Talon, hands down. They look truly wicked.
Buffalo Bore makes some 357 Mag 125 grain JHP rated at 1700 FPS as you know and will do well over 1600 FPS in a 4-inch barrel. Buffalo Bore also makes a low recoil/Low Flash 125 grain JHP 357 Mag round that moves at 1445 FPS in a 4-inch barrel. Great and very effective options also. That Speer Gold Dot looked like it packed the biggest punch in this video, but all of those are some pretty nasty rounds.
BB does not make a low recoil 357. They make a "lower" recoil 357. As in less recoil than their hot 357 loads! LOL.
@@Fudmottin You are right, but I do like the low flash powder they use for those loads so you don't get blinded by muzzle flash when pulling the trigger on a bad guy in low light situations.
@@MAG-li5jo I bet the bad guy gets the worst end of that deal. I can understand not wanting to deal with a huge fireball though.
The older white box on the far right was the best box.
I love the white box Winchester, they are HOT!
I find that the 125 grain projectile is great for a 2 inch or 3 inch barrel.
I just purchased a Taurus 605 .357 magnum can’t wait to shoot it
Buffalo Bore 180 XTP’s is a freaking beast of a round.
This is a trick question.... It depends on what you want the round to do. 357mag is probably the most versatile caliber there is out there. Its probably my favorite caliber
The only revolver I have is a very old 38spl, I think my next tool to add to my collection will be the 357mag. Nice video, nice comparison👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
And you can still run the .38 SPL if you wish. Nice bonus in my opinion. I sometimes use .38 for training.
You gotta have at least 3 revolvers and 2 have got to be Smith and Wessons! I'm pulling for you to meet the standard. Let us know what happens next Amigo!
@@lukedemello2077 i have 3 revolvers and 2 are rugers. the smith is my fathers 1955 model 10.
@@carlschumacher3257 rules are made to be broken. Another Smith and your all evened out though...
@@lukedemello2077 okie doke, good excuse as any to buy a modern era Smith!!
Great video Sam ! My favorite is the UMC 125 SJHP , for price ,performance & reputation
That gold hit the gel way harder than the rest it was pretty impressive. The black talon was also impressive I would not enjoy being shot by that. The biggest surprise for was that they all expanded very well. Great video thanks dude
I don't know about your area, Sam. Where I live, the "old school" rounds are 10-25% cheaper than the newer designs. I live on a very tight budget, so a round like the UMC (which I run) is inexpensive enough that I can train with live ammo at least once a month. Budget in the coming years will become a huge factor in ammo choice. Just my 2 cents, for what they are worth. Be well and thank you for every video.
I keep my home defense .357 Mod 66 loaded with Rem 125gr SJHP HTP’s, same load as the UMC as I understand it, after watching one of Sam’s videos. Hard to argue with a king who’s been on the throne for 5 decades and has a 96% approval rating.
God help your hearing if you ever have to touch them off in your house....
@@robwilson3749 Yessir, you’re right. About 40 yrs ago I popped off one of these Rem 125 SJHP rounds from a 6” Dan Wesson from inside a car. Bad move! My ears rang for two full days. Never did that again. But I figure if I ever need to turn 1 or 6 loose in my house, ringing ears is a small trade off for ultimate stopping power. 😊
What's that you say? Say again? Lol. PS, I have a Dan Wesson 15 with the 4" barrel on it that I took off of a guy for $250 about 10 years ago. He'd bought it new outside of Chicago in 1981. Monson factory production. I don't shoot it often but it shoots great when it gets out.
@@robwilson3749 Not 100% sure but I think mine was a Mod 15, early 80’s production. Loved the Python-esque full underlug and the shine of that deep bluing was a sight to behold. One of those guns I wish I’d hung on to, for sure. 👍
@@davehoward2791 Yeah, that's the one. That ribbed top and the ridiculous blue job. The double action trigger? Wowsa.
One thing most people don't know about Black Talon: they consistently outperform modern defensive HPs in both penetration and expansion, retain near 100 perfect of their weight, plus those nasty points...
I carry a Glock 19 with a trigger job and golddots and a Ruger sp101 with 357 hollow points Hornady critical defense.
I run the umc 125s they have done the trick on deer as my cheap factory rounds when out of my 140 xtp. 125s are effective well over 100 yards with my 6"
Remington 125 grain scallop Jacket
I like the Black Talon!! Makes a nice little "death star". Great for when an aggressor gets up close & personal. Not great for target shooting.
Federal hst is good and basically is black talon rebranded and different color. They tend to be the cheaper choice out of the high end defense stuff at least my exsperiances.. back in the day you had 2 choices 158 grain semi jacketed flat nose and hp.
Then winchester silver tip hit the scene every one mainly switched to far as law enforcement goes around same 158 grain everyone started to use alot of and then federal came out with the hydra shock.. after that is when the glock caught on and everyone went to 9mm 40cal. And 45acp
I mean, I heard HST was supposed to come out in .357 Mag this year. No one I know has tested it.
@@GunSam it's out in 357 mag. Would be a good test hst vs talons. Maybe 9mm or another caliber as well in both.
Cool test! I have never been as addicted to the 4 layers of denim as many are. Makes sense for the FBI, but I live in Florida. We might have 10 days a year where more than a t-shirt is worn.
Better to see it perform in denim and not need it, than to see it not perform in denim, then see it do well with just a T-shirt, then need it on the coldest day there.
@Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ I would say why not both. Some of the fails the 4 layer bullets make an excellent choice 11 months out of the year. There is also the lets see what happens in the most likely conditions curiosity.
Hydra Shok is old school but one of the best.
It definitely is. I have tested that one more than any others. Even at a higher number of variable tests, the Hydrashok still remains most consistent.
I carry Buffalo bore 180 xtp in my 686. But those black talons look just as good.
For CC, Barnes XPD 125gr copper hollowpoint here....clean, hard hitting and accurate
Since I primarily use my 6-inch 357 magnum S&W revolver for protection from black bears, feral hogs, and wild dogs, the best ammo for me is 180 grain hard-cast lead.
Ammo manufacture?
@@SoWavvyy probably Buffalo bore those fuckers are HOT!!!! I can shoot fireball rings out my .357 Ruger GP100
@@rangefinderz5135 second that, Buffalo bore.
Whats your opinion on the old Winchester 110 grain JHP?
Not enough mass and too much flash?
Or like a light 9mm on roids?
I run it and have for a long time. Good power less blast and recoil from my snubby k frame
I have never ran it, however today I tested the Remington HTP 110 gr. Was supposed to be 1,295 FPS from a 4" barrel. I got 1,500 FPS in mine, I was like whoah. Recoil was low and it did pretty well in the ballistic test.
@@GunSam Wow, now that's some serious speed!
The Critical Defense is good for the speed loader because of the shape of the bullet.
Really its what you have confidence in my 101 won't shoot anything good but heavy rounds .American eagles 158 man I put a whole lot of hurt on a deer this yr but ifound some German stuff 148 jhp lol wow what a thump
Have you used the American Eagles to take deer?
This was very well done.
My 686-6 likes CD and rem-HTP’s 125g. Good shooting sir.
Thanks. But lets be honest, all ammo in a 686 seems pretty good lol
@@GunSam you got that right lol.
Good old classic Smith 686 in 357mag. Very versatile handgun😎
Love these tests.
The one that kills bears...why ????
Old tech doesn’t become less effective when the new stuff comes out. It was effective then it will be effective now. The benefit is you can buy 100 round packs for the price a 20-25 round box
I carry Hornady Critical Defense because I feel with its design it will have a less chance to fail to expand or Remington SJHP it just has street history…best way to predict the outcome is look at history..
Your editing is superb. Well done
Have you ever had a 158 grain vs 125 grain in 357 mag. In ballistic gel.
The gold dots looked good, but those black talons interest me. Wish I could find some.
Looking to buy a Taurus M66 357. I have a bunch of different brands of ammo for it. But, I'll use most of it at the range. I'll have to pick a good defensive round to carry in it.
I carry and train with the UMC 125 SJHP in the video. It is affordable and effective. Just my 2 cents worth. Shoot straight partner.
This may be a dumb question but why 75 yards?
Because why not lol. More or less, 75 yards is about as far as I can still see the target and have the target larger than my sights. So it's my maximum practical distance I shoot from and could possibly hit. Sort of like a test of if I could hit either a deer while hunting or a mass shooter across a parking lot.
Great Video as usual, but I have a question, why wouldn't you consider Black talon as a self-defense round because I have some.?
Thanks. Because where you going to get enough to really practice with? Like the average joe might be like, okay let me grab some Critical Defense, then more to get the feel for. Also there's other more in depth reasons why I wouldn't that take too long to explain here. I just feel like what is currently made is better as you can always acquire more.
They are all good in their own way the Winchester wins the best one for hunting & around cars
The Ranger T is the same for the most part & they come in lighter weights , +P & standard
You can't go wrong with 357mag or Speer Gold dot, i can't decide if my favorite round is 357mag or 357sig 🔫
.357 is the stuff of legends :-)
Could you do this same ammo comparison in a 2” revolver?
I don't think he would look forward to shooting that many rounds of .357 through a lightweight snubbie
I would love to see this same test but with a 3” barrel. Let’s see what that drop in velocity will do with these or similar rounds.
I watched a video with a 3in an the out come was the same, it changes below 3in. I have a 3in tauras an I wondered the same thing till I saw that video.
I been trying to acquire a 3" .357 for several years. No one in my area has them. I don't shop for guns online so I just have to wait until one comes up.
I'm a fan of 3" 357 magnum revolvers. I carry appendix and they fit well and are slightly quicker to draw without losing power or accuracy at close range, compared to 4" barrels.
The federal scalloped semi jacketed hollow point is king. At the speeds it goes the unjacketed portion acts as a fragmenting hollowpoint, while keeping the remaining portion of the bullet past the fragmentation onward. Fragmenting ammo usually has a base which continues onwards as well but usually it is a smaller weight portion than what the sjhp from federal has at the end of travel.
Great testing man! Earned yourself another follower!
Mountain City Supply makes bullets right near Denver. .38s are 20 bucks for 50, .357 are 32 bucks for 50. They have stock, and they ship.
missing the corbon and hi-vel rounds. .357 because sometimes you hate the truck they drove up in too.
All good rounds, thanks for the test 👍👍
Chrono on the gel block shot? Love to see the speed of all 4. Great video. Enjoy your content.
I still think you need a 629 instead of the combat magnum .44.
The problem is that it rarely works. Every time I have tried it I get a failure to read.
I also have owned a model 629. I wasn't too impressed. Not really carry-able. More fun to shoot, but less useful for defense.
Thanks, another good and interesting video. Nice hoodie. I'm guessing there are some of the younger folks who may not know who Paul Kersey was? He didn't get mad, or he probably did get mad, but he for sure got even! Take care.
Thanks for watching. He's sort of before my time as is Dirty Harry, but I always gravitated to older movies. I was 5 years old when Death Wish 3 came out lol.
@@GunSam Those Death Wish movies were some pretty heavy duty movies back in the day! Thanks.
Yes, saw that t-shirt right away, & recalled that movie. One of the better ones, on the get even topic. 👍
Hey man! Another great video. I just love this stuff. I'm going to try and find some of these rounds and try myself. If I can actually find them! Thanks brother.
Great video...thanks. The 357 magnum is a great caliber for defense.
Like the little guy used to say on Laugh In...
Very Interesting!
Good testing Sam. Ill take one of those if you can find them in stock. They will work on the business end, but just dont be on it. 🎩♠🏁🎯🏵😎😒💙💛🌻
Thank you.
For a .357 I don't feel the 125 grain bullet is the best no matter what barrel length you have. I've reloaded and hunted with .357 for a lot of years and have a lot of experience. I will not tell someone what is best for them but can say what has been best for me. I use both rifle and pistol in .357. For the rifle I like 140 grain bullets because I get a good combination of velocity and mass. For the handguns I prefer 158 grain bullets because they have lower velocity but more mass for better penetration. This works well for me.
Mine is still loaded with Federal no. 9s. 125 grain SJHP, nickel case.
Sam, where are you finding that Remington Green and White box .357 100-pack ammo? I used to buy it at Walmart, but they pussed out and quit selling pistol ammo. I haven’t seen any in a couple of years. That’s some nice hot magnum ammo. Ah, the good old days when it was $50/100 rds. And I thought it was expensive then lol
Local small sporting goods store. I paid $69 for the 100 pack, I think it was maybe October last year I bought it.
@@GunSam Thanks. Not a bad price either. That’s a great round.
Same test short barrel would be super 👍👍👍😃✌️🇺🇸!
Gun Sam - have you ever tested Underwood Xtreme Penetrator solid copper rounds in .357 Magnum?
I think I have, but not in gel. I think it was in water jugs.
I carry a Taurus model 605 357 Magnum, 2.0 barrel, loaded with Buffalo Bore 180 Grain Jacketed Hydra Shock hollow point rounds. Just want to make sure it gets done.
If I do carry my 605 I prefer light copper rounds like Buffalo Bore .38+P's. They get near typical .357 Mag power but less recoil.
@@GunSam little story, me and my girlfriend stayed in a cabin way up in the mountains in Tennessee. The truck was parked about 150 yards from the cabin. Had to walk down a trail to get to the cabin. She wanted me to go get a bag out of the truck that she forgot at about 10 pm. All I had was 38 rounds in that 357 Magnum. All I can think about was bears. I thought about what Ron white said about going into Bear Country with a 38 for protection. He said, "Do me a favor, if you take a 38 into Bear Country for protection, take a file and file off that front sight so you don't chip a tooth when you're shoving it in your mouth." 🤣
I pick that Black Talon round..... awesome performance.
WOUND CHANNELS FOR THE RESPECTIVE ROUNDS IN VOLUME:
Remington - 3.33 cubic inches
Hornady - 3.72 cubic inches
Speer - 4.12 cubic inches
Winchester 9.46 cubic inches
Underwood 158 grain xtp rounds 🔥🔥 to bad they been out of stock forever
the talons were ranger sxt and were good ammo
I am such a great fan. Would love more info on how you have handled your issues with your 856 3in. Taurus before I buy one.?? Thanks man.
You are aware that Ranger T is the current "black talon" from Winchester and is in production? However, I don't know if they are still making it in .357, it's Winchester's primary Law Enforcement ammunition. I'm pretty sure PDX1 is a bonded version of black talon and I know you can get that in 357 mag.
I have a 357 magnum taurus 66 7 shot with the 6 inch barrel. What do you think would be the best self-defense rounds? Hunting?
First off I would chronograph some ammo to see if your barrel does indeed shoot faster than a 4". If you don't have a chrono and the assumption is you might get 100 FPS more than a 4", I would say it's hard to beat a 158 gr SJHP. The extra speed of a 6" might fragment 125 gr rounds, and the extra muzzle weight on a 6" tames the recoil. I say 158 gr SJHP for both, unless it's bear, if you are in bear defense you probably want 180 gr hot stuff like Buffalo Bore.
Hunting? Check the Barnes vortx catalog.
Wich one had the lightest recoil?
I bought a shit load of Black Talon back when it was available. Now I can retire on what I have. Anyone interested?
If you can still get serria jacketed 125. gr jacketed hollow cavity it's a highly destructive bullet , I recently have saw serria factory ammunition for sale and pricy .but after reloading over 42 years of all the brands I loaded serria is the most consistent in weight I ever weighed.i have sat weighing all 100 bullets to match them I finally quit because even multiple calibers they were so close I seen this was needless. nanna and papa wishing you well
You left out the best of all, the HST
It has not even been released to the public as of July 2023....How would I test it or show it or even mention something that for all intents and purposes does not exist?
You are correct. I had my head up my ass.@@GunSam
I just purchased both the Remington UMC 125 gr SJHP and the Hornady Critical Defense 125 gr FTX for a home self-defense round in a 4.25 inch barrel S&W and can't decide what to keep it loaded with. I also have both the Buffalo Bore and Underwood 125 grain 357 Mag rounds rated at 1700 FPS, which I have seen you review before. I believe the Underwood round has a Speer Gold Dot bullet. What would be your preference out of all these rounds? I guess I can't go wrong with any of them.
5:59 Look at those pointy edges that cut any organ that the bullet passes by, not exactly through piercing them and even its greatest penetration. Black Talon without hesitation!
If you didn't hit with the Black Talons, that's not the bullet's fault.
I remember back in the day when they were testing guns shooting various rounds out of them, the Black Talons were always the most accurate.
Which is surprising, since they were designed with terminal performance, not accuracy in mind.
I really wish they would make them again.
I've never gotten what I deem to be good accuracy at 50 yards, the distance I sight in all my revolvers BTW, with 125 grainers. So I always carry nothing but 158s. I carry 158 38 Special LSWCHPs for "urban"
use, and 158gr SJHPs for out in the sticks. Got a sizable stash of the old Federal Nyclads for SHTF God forbid. Also got some full power 158 gr. FMJ loads I keep in reserve in case I need to shoot through a '48 Pontiac!
I've never gotten caught up in the whole boutique $2.00+ per round craze that everybody seems to be obsessed with in this day and age.
In all the analysis done over the last century concerning "stopping power" and such, all the focus has always been on bullet performance, which is inconsistent from lot to lot of identical loads or from what the temperature is, or how heavily clothed the perp is. No emphasis is really ever considered with the most important factor that determines success or failure..........Shot Placement.
Like the old adage: A hit with a .22 always beats a miss with a .44! Best example is the old standard 38 Special 158gr RN @ 800 or so FPS, dubbed the "widowmaker" by so many police agencies because of its inability to stop criminals. Baloney!!!
I don't know about you all, but I'd most likely stop whatever I'm doing at the time pretty darn quick if I were the recipient of a 158gr RN in the old pump or airbags.
Witch had the best W T umc
How about comparisons w 357 Sig and 41 Magnum? Both very popular in Alaska
I been planning .357 Sig as I can get a conversion barrel for my .40 pistol. I will probably never get a .41 Mag as it's a lot of cost for the least amount of available ammo.
So Gold Dot is the best?