Snub Nose .357 Magnum - Heavy VS Light? Remington HTP 158 gr VS 110 gr SJHP
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- Thanks to one of my supporters Fudmottin for helping with this video ( / @fudmottin ). I am doing a 10% Clear Ballistics test as well as a 'shootability' test with my Taurus 605 2" barrel with both 158 gr and 110 gr SJHP ammo. The point to this is to see what the differences are with vast power differences in a snub nose revolver. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.com/user?u=5828221
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It looks like the 158 opened up nicely at those speeds. From 38Spl+P, it tends not to get enough steam to open up. As for the 110gr, it didn't grenade like I would have expected. I'm wondering if it is really anymore effective than the 110gr in 38Spl+P. I think the 110 in 38 penetrated a bit more. If hydrostatic shock isn't the big deal some people think it is, there isn't much point going magnum in the 110. Great test! Thanks!
Good thing you had that helmet on. That cloth came back at you fast!
In my past test before I started using ballistic gel, that Corbon 110 gr .357 Mag had 99 more foot pounds energy and 145 FPS more velocity than this Remington 110 gr round. The HTP being semi-jacketed, is really in a lot of respect just a lead hollow point with a glorified gas check. If that Corbon is as fast as the last time I tested it and if that jacket has some good petals, we should see significantly more damage. My prediction though, is a lot of fragmentation and probably a more ideal core penetration of maybe 15" and shards of lead and copper in the track. I predict the 140 gr Corbon will be really ideal with less or no fragmentation, maybe jacket separation, maybe 15-17" of penetration.
@@GunSam This is the sort of testing where bullet construction really matters. Coming apart gives up energy, but not to the target. Also there is that nagging elasticity question. I've heard that below about 2100fps, a bullet no longer inflicts any real wounding by hydraulic shock. I don't know where that number comes from. But it is clearly well below normal pistol velocities.
@@Fudmottin I think I got about 2,200 FPS with a 65 gr .357 Sig before, Xtreme Defender. But really, I don't know where the number comes from either. Seems odd to say "2,100 FPS, hydrostatic shock, 2,099 FPS no hydrostatic shock". I feel like there would be many more variables and not just a set number like the speed of sound and air cracks lol
@@GunSam I imagine it's a ballpark figure. There are certainly some materials where you can say it will stretch X% before it gives way. I doubt that's the case with tissue. You've also got more than one kind of tissue to deal with.
The bottom line for me would be, how much am I gaining when going from +P to magnum? Remington makes it easy to test with their SJHP bullets since they load the common weights both ways. With other brands, it may not be so easy.
I've seen on the Lucky Gunner site the claim that 357 Sig didn't buy you any useful terminal performance vs 9x19mm+P. I don't know if that's true or not for 124gr projectiles.
The Remington 110s seem not to benefit as much as I hoped from magnum loading in your test vs past tests. I'm sure the 158s do benefit because they don't seem to open up much if at all from 38+P loadings. At least not out of a snub. As magnum loads from an M&P340, I think they would be a bit much for me.
@@Fudmottin & @GunSam - Hey, Fud, thank you for sponsoring this testing. I surrendered to .357 mag recoil out of my 640 (Steel, J-Frame) and looked again and again and again at .38+P performance both in Sam's tests and on the Lucky gunner Labs page. I have finally settled on Federal .38+P Hydra-Shok Deep, out of a THREE inch barrel, Model 60. I watched this video with fascination wondering if the 110 would produce enough "shootability'. Thank you to both of you. More information makes better decisions. 0:30
125 grain. Best of both worlds! 😊
My EDC is a no-lock 340PD, but I keep it loaded w/+P. When I got it about 10 yrs ago I tried both 110 & 158 grain magnum rounds and both were so brutal I gave up on the idea (I’m not recoil sensitive). My time on the street taught me that follow up shots are likely to be necessary so control of the weapon is paramount. I always learn from your videos Sam & this one was no exception. Keep ‘em coming . . .
Thanks for watching!
I feel you. I've got similar age related issues. Have you tried Underwoods 38S +P extreme penetrator?
It drives pretty nice and ballistics look promising. I've been hopping Sam would test that round out of multiple barrel lengths. 2" 3" and 4".
I'm pretty confident it's a solid performer out of a 4". The short barrels is where my curiosity is.
Thanks for the info. My 4” K Frame isn’t carried so my interest is in the snubs too.
You should get some aggressive G10 grips for your 340PD it will make a world of difference VZ grips make some really good ones for J frames without adding any length to the grip but is a lot more controllable compared to the stock grips
@sthollywood9582 what's the best one for grip and pocket carry?
Glad to see some snub nose 357 testing I've been having to try out different loads I find at stores and test myself on water jugs
The 125 grain, was more effective in the Strasbourg studies, than the heavier 158.
You are assuming the Strasbourg tests were real. Lot of doubt.
@@russelsellick316 The government was behind them, I have no doubt, very valid.
After watching this i decided I will continue sticking with my 158 sjhp for edc. The 110 did better than I expected but with both the increase penetration and superior accuracy(from my gun the 110 hits 6” high at 10 yards) I will be sticking with the 158, even if I have to deal with some more recoil.
I RARELY USE ANYTHING LESS THAN 140 GR IN THE 38+P OR 357 -- 20 YEARS AGO A CLERK SHOT A 300 POUND BAD GUY POINT BLANK IN THE CHEST - GUY HAD ON HEAVY WINTER CLOTHING INCLUDING A SHEEPHERDER COAT - TOOK THE GUN AWAY & KILLED THE CLERK -- 2 DAYS LATER HE WOUND UP IN THE HOSPITAL BUT THE CLERK WAS STILL DEAD -- 140GR & 158 GR KEITH STYLE HARD CAST ARE ALL I USE ANYMORE -- 110 DONT CUT IT - 125 GR IS HIT & MISS -- 158 GR GOES DEEP -- AFTER THE CLERK SHOOTING I QUIT GIVING A SH1T ABOUT OVER PENETRATION
Interesting video, I carry a 357 snubbie about 95% of the time. I usually use 125grn or 158, I'd say either of your test rounds would be plenty
125gr is the sweet spot
I knew the heavier bullet would performe better but I didn't think the difference would be that much. Very informative video, thanks.
Thank you for this one. Way back in the day, I used to carry 110 gr SJHP (Winchesters, if memory serves) in my 2.5" S&W model 66. Later I switched to 125 gr SJHPs, but for quite a while I really liked those 110s. They were so controllable and easy to hit with and I figured they'd be less likely to go through a bad guy into a bystander or through a bad guy and a wall in my house. I can see why they might not be ideal for law enforcement work, but these look good for self/home defense ... besides setting your curtains on fire with muzzle flash, LOL. I was impressed the 158 gr rounds stopped in the first block. To me that means they're quite viable too. FWIW, I still load 125g Remington SJHPs now in my two .357s, but I'd be good with either of these loaded too.
I had a buddy put a 158gr bullet through both sides of a kitchen stove, and that was the standard 38 special...
His wife must have been pissed!
Too say the least...
Great video. Interestingly, this very day, my son in law and I went to the range and fired off about five hundred rounds of .38 special +P, mostly 125 grain, with a few 110s and 120s. Also fired off a hundred or so full power .357 mag loads in 125 grain. They were clocking 1525 fps in my 6” security six and about 1320 in my 4” service six and 1260 in my 3” S&W model 13. I think the 125gr is still the very best defensive bullet weight in .357 and i favor the 125gr in 38 +P loads as well. My 2” Taurus 856 was clocking in at just a little over 940 fps today with most loads and right around 1060 fps with the underwood ammo. My 110s shot fast and without much recoil. They do make for a very controllable round.
The use of clean gel is the best. Some of these guys use gel bloks shot to crap 90% of the time. Thank you for the videos and the extra effort
For me, it’s either the .357 Remington 125gr sjhp green and white box or the 38+p Buffalo Bore 158 gr lswc.
I carry 110grain SJHP in my Taurus 605. I don't want my round to over penetrate and hit a bystander. Plus the speed of follow up shots is important as well.
Thank you to you and Fudmottin for this test. .357Magnum is one of my calibers for carry. I have some of the Remington UMC 158grain JHP that I practice with, and it is just outside of my comfort range. I have been using a lighter weight that I can control and shoot faster.
Very cool video, I really enjoy all your content. You have made me a fan of that 327 federal magnum. Thanks for the time you put into all your videos.
Thank you
Interesting test, Sam.👍 I sort of equate that 110 with a .38 +P+ “Treasury load.” Probably best choice in light guns. But for all around use in medium and heavy guns, for two legged and four legged predators, I’ll take the 158 grainers.
I have told him like 28 times to get some of the Treasury Load rounds to test.
Cool comparison Sam! Would you please consider a video with nighttime shooting of those loads? The fireball of a hand cannon can rob you of some of your night vision. It would be interesting to see which .357 would be the best carry round.
I generally don't as the property is my family's property and it's always a big production to get out there. Headlight on ATV has been out for some time.
@@GunSam just wishing. TY
I wish you would have been able to include the 125gr as well.
Great info, none the less.
I would have and could have, but the person requesting this test wanted to see both ends of the spectrum. We all know 125 gr is good because of how many times I have tested it.
Shooting The Bull 410 was on a quest to find the best 9mm in a small gun . One thing he did was to do a test like this , but go back to what he thought was the best to compare & contrast . This is good because there are so many choices & testing over a long time , they can blend together . It would be good if you would compare the tested round with your carry round and or what you think is the best choice so far . Add old clips for scale . Thanks !
It’s always a contest between 125gn and 158gn, for me. Been splitting the difference with 145gn Silvertip, lately.
125gr is great as a manstopper. The 158gr may be better if you're up against something slightly larger.
I really enjoy the way you do your videos…thanks.
There’s a reason the 125 is the benchmark
It is, in a 4" barrel. The original person wanting to see this test was looking at really close range effectiveness. He was more or less thinking you don't need much penetration if a super close shot dumped the energy faster.
@@GunSam I imagined it would manage 12-14" with all that energy behind it.
Love those fireballs!!!
I totally HATE my snub .357 because of how load it is!! It used to be my truck gun until the first time I forgot to put in my ear plugs while target shooting! I temporarily lost my hearing in my left ear and my right sounded like I was underwater! It scared me that I had permanently lost my hearing! I couldn't even imagine blasting that thing off in the cab of my truck! It would probably give you a brain bleed! I replaced it with a 9mm for my truck and moved it to home duty with .38spl +P! I forgot to mention that the barrel is also ported! Which seems to make it even WORSE than other snub .357s!
Interesting test. The 158 is a beast from a small frame Snubbie. I've got some Federal 130gr "Low Recoil" Hydra-Shok that's pretty tame in the smaller guns, and performs suitably. For K frame, Python and bigger, definitely the 158's. Overall it really comes down to what one can shoot fast and accurately,hits on target is what counts.
I'd like to see some more comparisons like this. I finally broke down and tried Critical Defense 110 grain Plus P. I was surprised at how soft they shot. The 158 grain lead round nose bullets I was shooting had more recoil out of my 642 airweight and my 640 snubs.
I have the ammo and a test planned for Corbon 110 and 140 gr .357 Mag. I will probably at some point find other varieties to test as well.
I'm not recoil sensitive, but that 158 grain is brutal out of a snub. I going to pass on the 110 grain and stick with the 125 grain. Regardless, they are all loud and you feel like your eyebrows are getting burnt from the flash...
And there's no need to spend three hours watching Oppenheimer for the Trinity Test experience.
Great video; very entertaining and educational too.
Thanks Gun Sam, and thanks to Fudmottin also!
GREAT TEST and super IDEA!!! Thanx SAM and Fud!
Great test Sam!
Thanks man for this video. I have always wondered the difference between the wheights.
I have liked all your shows. The first half. I am going to start watching the whole thing.
★ Good testing. Can't beat that.
Thank you.
Very informative Sam. Good video editing as well. Thanks!
Thank you
Fireball extended beyond the length of your gel block! Gives a whole new meaning to #lightemup!
No substitute for mass. Who doesn't love those 200g "Police loads"?
Mass is great for lower speeds, but once you reach 2K+ fps ... the rules change.
@@TERMINAL-BALLISTICS A 308 is still gonna do much more than a 5.56. Weight still makes a difference, even then.
@@vlogfriendsutopia
Yes, but I was referring to identical calibers. If the heavier round is traveling well below 2K+ fps and the lighter round is traveling above 2K .... mass/grain weight takes a backseat in terms of actual tissue cavitation, because the slower/heavier round is relying strictly on direct tissue-crushing.
@@TERMINAL-BALLISTICS This is about snub nose wheel guns. I haven't seen any like that.
@@TERMINAL-BALLISTICS why YOU talkin bout rifle ammo? Sam doesn't shoot those on his channel
Thanks for the short barrel test.
Sam I really like that 158 gr. Great Video!!!
GS. Another good video and interesting ammo comparison. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Thank you, take care.
One of the problems of firing a .357 snubbie at night is the fireball. It is so intense that your vision takes a several seconds to recover, an extreme disadvantage in a gunfight.
Theoretical, but for real you would never shoot in the dark. You would at least have a flashlight.
Close your eyes as the Hammer Falls lol
It just lights the way for your next shot.
I’ve seen you tests with 125gr HTP’s, good Lord, I’ll stick with them. 👍
Cool video! I actually have a few boxes of those 158 gr. I have fired them and carried them, periodically. It was nice to see them perform. I will say, they are stout in my 3" Cobra, I can imagine in your snub they would be brutal.
What's funny is I dealt with major rheumatoid arthritis inflammation for the past 5 years, for a couple months I been on a new drug that has reduced that a lot. So honestly to me, they felt 'soft' shooting in a way compared to the past with even lesser cartridges.
@@GunSam Good deal! Glad you are feeling better! Appreciate your work
Nice work
Great video! I carry a S&W model 60 with 135gr Gold Dots and I love it!
When we were first trained in two handed griping a revolver they taught the thumbs up method. Even today decades later I unknowingly grip revolvers and semiautomatics differently.
Looks like I'll be moving down to 110 for my Ruger LCR!
That revolver burning your hand when you fire it reminds me of a Taurus snub nose that I owned many many years ago. The recoil alone with most magnum loads was rather painful. It had flames that seemed to come out from the cylinder and burned my hand regardless of how I held it. My hand would be bloody after a range session. I ended up selling it and getting a slightly larger 3" Ruger SP101. It is a little heavier, but tames the recoil of magnum loads a bit better. Plus, the issue with burned hands ceased. I found that even though the SP101 has a slightly longer barrel and is heavier, it is comfortable for me to carry and conceals pretty well.
Your 110gr shots at 40 would take out the pelvis, that is a fast show stopper. No much ki!!ing power but a great show stopper
👍 I have always felt a 125 gr JHP was the ideal load for a 357 magnum.
It's the weaker load meant for street justice.
Agreed!!! I carry the Remington HTP 125 grain SJHP in my Taurus 605 snub nose!!
@@bobjohnson1633 What do you mean ?
The 158 did about twice as good with only about 10% more energy. Makes you wonder.
@@kennethferguson4283they really need a longer barrel for good powder burn.
The heavier bullet carries greater momentum and also has higher sectional density. It is going to penetrate better at low velocity
@@bobjohnson1633 Exactly. Momentum an SD are more important in low velocity cartridges.
I have my S&W 66-2, 2.75 inch barrel loaded with either Federal 158 JHP or Remington Golden Saber 125 Brass JHP. I also have some Federal .38 +P+ loads too.
❤ put thick Demin/ Leather as a ”jacket” , then Shirt /hoodie, t -shirt. Then ribb’s. Right front of 1. Gel block. New ribb’s and ”perp”S clothes.then another block. Or even wall material see penetration in house in after the wall /behind is a ” collateral” damage.
For 2 legged 125 gr...middle of road same for 9mm 124 plus p...same .357 sig 125 better than 147.
.40. 150-165 does better than the light 135s that may be too shallow on penetration yet 180s also do great. SAM sending Ur package out enough for 4 vids and help w your next animal defense too!
Thank you. I got so much gel I been throwing away a lot lol. Like 40 blocks, dumping the brown ones. The ones with less than 10 remelts do great for the animal defense videos, I can get debris in there and not care.
@GunSam look for the pieces of papers inside giving my ideas how to make different vids w and check the little zip locks. "Make .40 Great Again w/ DanTheWolfman"
For law enforcement back in the day when we carried magnums, it was common knowledge that the 125 gr 357 was the ideal bullet weight as it penetrated better than 110 gr and had higher velocities than the heavy 158 gr bullets. Back then, the bullet technology was not what it is today and we found that the 158 gr magnum rounds did not have enough velocity to get the job done and wasn't much better than a hot 38 round.
Great video answered questions I’ve had for a long time how about a video with a 4 inch barrel same ammo 👍
Devils advocate… 125 grain 357
My favorite
They are mean out of my Cimmaron with a 7.5 inch barrel. Also my trusted old Rossi 4 inch. Vintage 1987?
thats the minimum for me..
Looks like a good +P 38 special, maybe 140 grain, would probably be the best option in a 2". Right in between energy and penetration with these.
I have Corbon .357 Mag with 110 gr and 140 gr both with XTP bullets. I planned a couple of these light VS heavy videos.
@@GunSam XTP is a fickle thing, works or doesn't depending on a seemingly very specific speed. Looking forward to seeing it!
I like 110gr loads in .38 Special, but not so much for .357 Magnum. They may be low on recoil, but they are loud! A 158gr load would be my preference.
I wish you had tested 125 grain also
He did in other videos.
What kind of pistol are you using? I apologized if I missed it. I tried to listen. I’m thinking about getting a Taurus 357 that looks similar. Definitely like the 158 gr myself! I didn’t like the penetration on the 110. I’m hooked on these ammo test I watch most of them.Thanks
Taurus 605 2"
@@GunSam Buds has them for 319 dollars. That’s a good price isn’t it?
@@allenbolen9705 Yeah, that's about what I paid in 2019 so with inflation that's a good deal.
The 110 grain surprised me. I will look for it.
I'll take the recoil anyday with differences like that.. 158gr for me.
i greatly enjoyed the video. a few months ago i bought two Taurus 605 defender revolvers. a 2in and 3in both 357mag. i shot the Remington ammunition you have but not chronographed. after 44years of extensive reloading i finally bought a chronograph. my reloads for 125 gr xtp were 2in were 1038_1097fps,299_344 fp/lb. 3in 1227_ 1295 fps and 418_465 ft/lb.i will keep that for the weaker family members. but my hunt/ self defense reloads will be equal with buffalo bore. in my state of NC our legal rifle season you can hunt dear with any caliber pistols and revolvers except 22lr with no minimum barrel length. what better way to test your hunting and self defense ammunition. we are blessed hunting here.papa wishing you well
Michigan whitetail season is the same. Any caliber that's not rimfire can be used, any handgun caliber, any barrel length and any capacity in my hunting zone of northern lower peninsula (MI has 3 zones - upper peninsula, Northern lower peninsula and southern lower peninsula). Southern lower peninsula it must be at least .35 caliber and no more than 9 rounds capacity. Those are the handgun rules. Rifles have a lower capacity rule all over the state.
327 Federal is the answer
In my pocket daily for a reason. Velocity of a .357 Mag, recoil of a .38+P, hollow point expansion of a 9mm+P.
I will pass on a "snub nose magnum". I once fired some of that light bullet +P+ 38 out of a k frame snub outdoors. 5 was all I cared for. The other 45 are just waiting after all these years. Now I have fired plenty of magnum from a 4 or 6 inch barrel, and that is something I can cope with.
Physics are a thing. Ha! One of the reasons I love the 357 magnum, is that it has an incredible range of power, bullet weight and construction, velocity, and firearm selection. It can do about anything.
I'd love to see some Buffalo Bore 158 gr heavy which is rated at 1472 fps tested.
I ran a few through the chrono a few years back, unlisted little video. Was getting something like 1,400 FPS even in the 2".
@@GunSambut the resulting Fireball garnered some cult worshipers that follow you at night through the woods ever since 😂
Thanks for another great test! Who else wonders what the Remington 125gr SJHP would've done? I need a 357 snub. LCRx, all steel J-frame, or just get a 2" barrel for my DW715? Forget the scandium flinch special.
I have the M&P 340. It has the scandium frame, but with a stainless steel cylinder. I also have a 442. I have noticed no difference in shootability between the 2 with various weights of .38 +p or with the B.B. 158 gr lswchp, which is loaded a bit hot. The M&P also has much better sights than most other j-frames w/ a deeper u-notch rear & a high vis tritium front.
@@Grolock751 I have the M&P340 also. I find the Remington 125gr SJHP 357 Magnum to be just a bit too hot for me. BB 19H is slightly less hot, but I would still reserve it for a heavier gun. I have no issues with any of the 38Spl+P ammo I've shot. I have some BB 158gr but haven't tried it yet.
@@Fudmottin Thanks bro! Ahhh, the quest to balance power & shootability, lol. So far, B.B. 20C (158 gr lswchp standard pressure) seems to do it; it's not bad to shoot or hard to control at all. The only downside is s&w recommends not using soft lead bullets in the airlites to avoid jumping the crimp, & despite the gas check, it does lead the barrel, just not as quickly. I haven't had any problems with jumping the crimp, though.
@@Grolock751 For some reason, the 20C scares me. I think that's why I haven't tried it yet.
could you do some videos focused on hunting ammo? Id like to see different 357 mag soft points vs different 357 mag hollow points, maybe even vs some other types of 357mag loads and also different 45acp ammo(probably mostly hollow points, and probably put it up against 45 super loads. Just some ideas of things id like to see. thanks for the videos, this was a good one.
Much flame cutting with the 110 grain? I've wa5ch your videos in the past and that was something to consider. You mentioned the 135 grain that didn't flame cut and had good performance. I agree, the 158 grain is a bit juicey (sp). Shooting though my Ruger sp101 with a 3" barrel.
Thanks for all your great video....lots of time and energy, so thank you.
You have to shoot quite a bit of a certain ammo to get significant flame cutting. Like my S&W 686 has a lot of flame cutting from running thousands of 125 gr XTP bullets in .38+P. My Taurus snub here has basically no flame cutting. If you run enough ammo that is under 158 gr you will get some flame cutting. It will just happen faster the lighter the bullet and the heavier the charge. I would imagine 50 rounds of these 110 gr .357 Magnums might cause some flame cutting.
Like everything in life the round you use is based on need. In my k frame house gun I run 110 grain rounds . Ranges are close, controllability is important and over penatration in dry wall is an issue. On the road, in the field using my Lframe the heavier load.
The heavier slug hits harder, penetrates x better and expands. If the recoil is too heavy, Buffalo Bore 158 plus p lhp will hit 1050 fps and penetrate better than the 110 357 and expand
Both did well but the 110 grain is more shootable, due to less recoil. Our agency issued 110 grain 38 Special +P to detectives using S&W model 10 snubbies.
Good job. Sir
I guess heavy bullets move more in the gel.
Hard to beat a full load .357... Would have liked to seen the most dependable weight, the 125 grain...thanks for all your effort...
Very good test. I think I would look at 125gr. Thank you.
My Taurus 617 warns against using ammunition lighter than 125gr. due to cylinder face erosion. Do you have any issues with your Taurus revolvers? I’ve been shooting 125gr. and 158gr. and I’ve found that the 158gr. is much more accurate. I love your videos! Thanks for Sharing!!!
If you are in a self defense situation, you will not think about or even notice the increased recoil. You will notice if the bad guy doesn't go down with the first shot from the side though. Having said that, I personally carry a 38 Spcl +P handload with Lehigh 140 extreme defense bullets - they tend to penetrate like those 158 grain 158 grain 357 rounds. From what I've seen. Oh and I carry a Taurus 605 too though mine is black. That may change though as I just bought a Colt Kind Cobra 2".
if you shoot these at night in your dark bedroom it is not necessary to hit an intruder. The flash will bend him and the sound will shatter his eardrums. Either size will work.
we used to load 110gran boolits with Blue dot powder so as to create a huge fireball when fired in s snubbie just for fun
Sam, I just ordered some Winchester 145gr Silvertips in 357 mag for my Model 60 Pro Series as I've heard that's a more mild load. The 110gr Winchester whitebox had a FIREBALL coming out of my cylinder gap & muzzle, talk about flash.
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@@GunSam ouch. Well we'll see if I have those issues when I get the ammo in a couple weeks.
Have you ever looked at the 210grain silver tip for a 44mag carry round?
I have the same Taurus 605 357 like dynamite going off in your hand
158 grain shoot smooth in my new 4" python.😊
It seems like the original 158 weight actually made a lot of sense. My take is that for a snubbie you would do better to go with the 38 special FBI load rather than the higher speed 110 grain magnum load. For a service revolver 158gr SJHP all the way.
After getting older and wiser I do think that .38 Special or .38 Special+P is the better option for all snub nose .357 Magnum revolvers. So much less muzzle blast. I'm not entirely sure if in a life or death situation, that I would miss with follow up shots with .357 Magnum but hit with .38 Special as I don't think that my ears or eyes would realistically be effected with adrenalin going. I think the biggest downside to .357 Mag in a snub is that no matter how badass I think I am, stuff might get real and I have to rely on one handed shooting, and I know that with .357 Mag that revolver is going to slide up higher in my hand than it should be. That's can't be good for accuracy with follow-up shots.
Hey I just got some sierra sports master 357 mag 158 gr jhp, I haven’t been able to find any testing on it. I was wondering how it would do on gel and fps rating
Glad I have that exact snubby. Now I know exactly how that ammo would perform in my EDC... If only .357mag ammo was available in my area and not a rip-off via online purchase...
What's funny is this ammo I did purchase locally, as it's one of the brands and types I can easily find in local stores. I would say 95% of all the ammo I test comes from online, either Midwayusa, Lucky Gunner, SG ammo, target sports USA, Cheaper than Dirt, Selway, Outdoor limited and so on, but Remington HTP is all over in my local stores. Any variety of .38 Special or .357 Mag they have.
@@GunSam Man, I must have the worst of luck out here in Oregon, because I NEVER find greenbox .357mag.
As I age my 642 snubby seems to start stinging the hand a little more than ever. What 38 special ammunition have you tested with that has a reasonable stopping power and yet the least amount of felt recoil? Is it the wad cutter?
I love your gel test might I make one suggestion. After the first two shots are fired into the right hand side of the Block rotate the block 180° so the camera can pick it up without looking through the damage path of the first two shots. You’re welcome.😊 Also I think the buffalo boar 38 special plus P round or the regular round would do as well and much better than that lite 357 and easier to shoot than the 158
You said you are welcome, over a bad idea. The way it melts arches up/down a big scoop in the top of the mold(bottom of gel block when flipped) and needs to be bottom side down to keep the gel filled in, basically. If I flip it, now I will have a scoop that bullets will exit out the top plus it mentally complicates things.
@@GunSamGotta admit, the “Your Welcome”, was just snarky enough to make me hate this dudes grandma.
@@GunSamI meant it in a playful way sorry you took it the wrong way. Guess you lost a subscriber but it won’t bother you good luck
The 110gr doesn’t seem all that hot compared to the 158gr. I’m thinking it’s out of the barrel before the powder has a chance to burn.
I’ve loaded some hot 110s and they folded the petals of an xtp over on itself, they came back together behind the base of the bullet.
You need to add a propeller to the top of that helmet, just for effect 😅
I'd like to see the comparison between that 110 grain 357 against the 104 grain 327.
There's supposed to be a new 154 gr .357 Mag HST coming out, just haven't seen the ammo yet. I think personally, maybe a 100 gr .327 VS 110 gr .357 might be good, as several companies load the same XTP such as Buffalo Bore 100 gr .327 XTP and Corbon 110 gr .357 XTP.
I'm rather surprised by the drastic difference in penetration-results. I wouldn't have bet the depth would be so vastly different between the two
Interesting. I've seen you test some .38 special loads from a snubbie that did as well or better in the gel than that 110 gr .357. It begs the question: Is all the bluster from a .357 out of a snubbie worth it? Personally, I don't think so, with one possible exception, & that's the B.B. item 19H, that I've seen you test from a snubbie, though I'm still not sure how that would be to fire out of an airlite. When I have some disposable $ to burn on ammo, I aim to find out.
I can't say if .357 Mag out of a snub is worth it over a .38 Special, what I can say that in a 2" snub a .357 Magnum is still double the energy of a .38 Special from a 2" snub. There's trade offs either way.
@@GunSam Yea. I tend to agree with you on the principle that, if a bullet misses, it has NO "stopping power." Trying to find the right balance, as we all are.
@@Grolock751 The BB 19H is fairly brutal out of an M&P340 and hits the credit card pretty hard too.
@@Fudmottin Thanks, man! Not surprised, & yea, it def hits the wallet hard. Truth be told, most quality .38 +p will suffice just fine for defensive purposes, but the quest for the "perfect round" never ends, lol.
I like 125 357 hpt
👍😊🎯 the 158 had better accuracy on this day.
Still think an TAC-XPB in .357magnum (125gr) would expand really well and not produce crazy recoil like the 158gr.
That 110 sure hit hard, but the penetration was limited.
Hi Sam, I feel there are 158 grains 38 spl. loads that would beat that 110 grains magnum load, why go magnum at this point?
I personally thought that the 110 would have better performance than it yielded. Typical 158gr LHPs fail to expand from a snub 38. Buffalo Bore is an exception, but the recoil is cranked back up.