Special thanks to Tim B. Who supplied the ammunition for the next 8 videos of the series ".357 Magnum Ammo Test". I also wanted to point out that what I refer to as "error read" is typically caused by being too close to the chronograph, and what I believe happens is that the powder or smoke moves through the chronograph close to when the projectile does, so rather than picking up the projectile it picks up the powder or smoke's velocity. Backing up a bit gets the bullet there before the smoke so it reads just the projectile.
Sam goes through considerable time researching and testing. Then there's the safety factor he must uphold. I couldn't agree with you more Tim. Let an experienced person with oodles of practice test the ammunition. I sincerely thank you for your contribution to the shooting community sir! Best regards!
Thank you. I would be cautious of trusting my test alone as other's show different numbers. I tend to see this with small ammunition companies. They can tweak and change things at will so maybe a previous loading of this might be lighter.
I don't see this ammo in my local stores, but based on your test I would pass on it anyway; unless I was interested in making bologna shrapnel. As always very entertaining and informative, thanks Sam.
Thanks for watching. It's just too fast with so little bullet. But as expected, a light bullet going too fast usually fragments and does not penetrate far.
could be wrong but my understanding of these light 357 rounds if that they're meant to blow up and dump all their energy quickly to avoid over penetration
I have carried since 1971, ya I am 70 now! Crap! Started with a Chief Special, then got a High Power, then all sorts of issued guns, then or should I say now I am back to rev's cause I have arthritous in hands. Even though I always had a CS around, now its my primary, along w/ a Mod 66 I bought in 1980. Just me!!!
If you're not getting kickbacks from Oscar Meyer there is no justice in the universe. But at least we can watch, learn, and be entertained by your video's. Keep on truckin'.
I totally forgot you tested this. I wonder if the post Covid ammo is a little less hot due to trying to save on powder. It really would be nice to have a factory load that is between 38Spl+P and 357 Magnum from a 2" barrel. 1200fps would be nice. Upper 9x19mm territory.
Your analysis of the round seems to be good however a level 3A vest will stop a 357 but at 1700 fps will a level 3A stop this round.....speed defeats vests. ....... just something to consider........as always a great review
Haven't shot this but I've shot a box of the 38+p outta the lcr. I didn't keep any for defense because I shot the whole box of fun. The SP101 now wants this 357 for yuks. ✌️
Kinda funny just found this video because right at 25 years ago I used to load a VERY simlar round, mine was using a 115 grain now discontinued Nosler hollow point bullet driven by Unique powder (can't remember the amount and i don't have my reloading note book in front of me to look at), balisticlly it was a basically an exact match for what you showed here, and I was looking for it to be a good low recoil high power load for my snubbies, and just like here it was and with explosive results on the target, I also found that slowing them down to match the velocity levels of a good hotter end of 9mm+p loading made them work like a dream both on power and target damage while still being pleasent enough from a small light gun like my 340pd or other's (yes I know the side of a 340 says not to use under a 125 grain bullet but the titanium cylinder on mine has been changed out and it is the reason for the 125 minimum so it's fine through my gun), that load was a great choice for that use, but Nosler had to go and discontinue them, however I still use them from time to time because I still have about 500 of them left from back then because I had bought like 2000 of them but once I run out that's it, I could try something like the 110grain xtp's but I really don't want to have to start the whole research and development thing all over again so 125's loaded to the milder side in 357 is good enough as far as I'm concerned.
I'm always torn on how I feel about hot 110 gr Magnums. I mean, they have low recoil and lots of sound, but in a lot of ways not very efficient in a short barrel. I'm leaning towards seeing how 180 gr magnums perform as they have a lot less powder, and while they will surely muzzle jump, the main recoil from the blast won't be as bad as some.
@@GunSam Suprizingly a heavy bullet like that will tend to have less of that "snappieness" that the lighter loadings do as kind of a general rule, they tend to feel more like a good heart shove moreso, but keep in mind that a heavy bullet from a short barrel may not get enough velocity for the hollow point to open up and may lead to more penetration or over penetration than desired, the 180 grain+ .357 bullets tend to be penetrating monsters, that said personally I consider the whole "over penetration" thing to be something totally over played, no having bullets that can rip thru 6 lined up human bodies may not be something good if you live in closed in areas where you might have to use it, but most average loadings from even a 357 that expand decently will have expended so much of it's power after having penetrated the full bredth of the average human body that the chances of it still being lethal to an unlucky bystander that gets hit by it would be pretty darn slim, not that you want a bystander to even be harmed hell no, but untill the design computer controlled bullets even those that seem perfect when test can always perform otherwise due to variables that are just to numerous to make consideration of, so I believe the best we can do would be to just go with what seems to be the mainstream and dare I say proven choices with at least some form of track record and endorcement by profession testers such as the nanufacturers and possibly the FBI or other law enforcement agencies, of course being there is no such thing as the "perfect" bullet or loading that's about the best we can do, the real trick is just convincing yourself that your choice will do the job just fine and let that be the driving factor that gives you the confidence in your over chosen carry combination that it will be up to the task when god forbid you need to call upon it, otherwise you could very well drive yourself nuts worrying about it, I'll kinda sum it up this way, I know there are a surplus of bull shiters that don't know their ass from their elbow but want to talk and act as though they do on here,,,,but Sam I am not bull shitting you in the slightest and I do have fairly damn extensive experience playing around just the way you do with all this bullet/load testing, mine was more because I was/have been so into hunting as stated in some of my other comments I've made on your videos, and that goes into at least 35years of the 42 years that I've been an avid hunter, I'm 54 years old and started hunting at 12, my uncle the one that is the gunsmith started me into the hunting/reloading thing when I was 12, but I have only done reloading completely on my since I was about 18 so that's why I say 35 years on that point, I've also been a concealed carrier since I was 19 when I was in LA California going to school for engineering and took a night job for income working as an armed security gaurd for California Plant Protection, anyhow all that testing of ammo through all those years looking for the perfect bullet for this or that purpose really only achieved one main thing, it did give me a hell of a log book of loading information, but it never really achieved the goal of finding that one "perfect" load/bullet for anyone of the guns/calibers I was working on, I would think AH HA I think I've got it because I would hit on a combination that performed great in my bone box or whatever test media I thru at it, it had the velocities I was looking for and accuracy, then at some later point I'd decide to give it a try again and the results would more than not come out different even though to all apperances nothing should have changed, another example of that would be my 338 win mag, that particular gun has been used to down no less than 10 elk during my years of hunting, and for damn near every one of those elk it has been with my pet loading of the nosler 250 grain partion loading I worked up for it 30 years ago, of the elk it's been used on there is no accounting for one elk hit squarely solid in the boiler room ends up having to be tracked some distance before finnaly expireing while another not hit quite as well drops in it's tracks and never even twitches, or one bullet that's recoverd from an elk that hit heavy bone is perfectly mushroomed and looking good while another that hit nothing but muscle tissue is fragmented into bits even though they are the same damn type and weight and construction and from the same batch, no explianing it other than completely un able to in any way be figured upon variables is the only thing I can chalk it up to, that is the very reason I gave up splitting hairs and being so worried about what loads i carry in my CCW, (however It's stiil fun to watch you younger guys wrestling with all the same stuff I did 20-30years ago, that and there is some rather interesting new stuff coming outof recent, but me I'm kind of an old dog not overly prone to new tricks, and I have those loadings that I have been using for well 30+ years that has just proven themselves effective from actuall use on living things, and that like stated earlier in this comment has come to give me confidence in my choices, anymore I just don't get stressed or even really put that much thought into what I load my gun with every morning, when I wake in the morning the first thing I do is get a cup of coffee, the very next thing I do is park my ass at my rather huge oak desk in front of my computer screen, just off to the right of my desk barely arms length away is a small locking pistol cabinet with a few of my guns in it, they are mostly a couple 3 inch jFrames model 60's my Kimber K6 DA/SA, my 2.5 and 3 inch 686+'s, my model 69 2.75 inch and my 629 mountain gun, and my 340pd, (my main carry guns all still in their respective holsters), also in that cabinet is a roughly 1.5 quart size tupperware bowl that holds my carry ammo, in that bowl there is a mixture of anything from 125 to 180 XTP loads, 125 to 158 grain gold dots of my own loading, a few factory golden sabres (weights I can't really remember), a few 158 grain gas checked lead semiwadcutter hollow point I loaded up some time ago, and some remington factory loaded 125 and 158 grain half jacketed hollow points, even got a managerie of some 44 magnums throw into the same bowl, right beside that bowl is several speed strips and speed loaders for the various guns, but I couldn't truely tell you exactly what loading are in each of those strips or speedloaders and a couple of them don't have any 2 the same, anyhow my routine is to sit at that desk drink my coffee, open that cabinet chose the gun that turns my fancy for that day load it with a handfull of whatever I grab of the loose ammo in that bowl, grab a couple of the allready loaded speed strips throw one in my pocket and on in my carrier I have on my belt, and or maybe a speed loader in a carrier on my belt, but the point is I stopped giving much of a care as to having to be overly concerned with ammo choice a good many years ago now, because time and actuall experience from having to kill at least a few wild critters and many I've hunted on purpose has showed me that as long as you stay with decent quality time proven choices by well know quality manufacturers (do yourself a favor and stay away from these fad ammo's that come out would be some best advice I could give), the relatively slight differences from one breed to another won't hardly make a rats ass difference in the real world if and when they actually have to be used to save you ass from certain doom do to those unpredictable variables previously mentioned, the difference on target accuracy or slightly differing points of impact will also have narry a rats ass bering within deffensive ranges also, a round or so that goes 3 or so inches out of the main group when shooting groups at a target just ain't gonna matter, because few if any will ever hold a group tight enough when firing under the stress of fighting for you life that those 3 or so inches would ever be noticed, so one breed/weight/bullet design of ammo that prints it's main group a few inches (3 or so as I say) from another just really has proven to be non- consideration to me, any mixture loaded into any of those guns I carry from that bowl of ammo will keep shot after shot inside a 6 inch circle all day long at out to 15 yards,,,,,more than perfectly adequate for defense of life and limb, anyhow didn't meen to write a novel and I hope you see this because pondering it over would be a good consideration for you my friend.
Yessiree I think that outperformed most 9mm cartridges. Just a tad. Wonder how the same charge would perform moving up the bullet weight to something like a 125 or 142....
Yeah, just a tad lol, only added roughly 100% more power over a 9mm. I would assume that the 125 gr would perform similarly but a little better, and if there is a 142 gr, would do much better, but at the same time i'd be getting recoil above what I want to have.
@@exothermal.sprocket It was a little less recoil than 125 gr full house loads the Rem HTP and 158 gr Hydrashok. But it was more than Gold Dot short barrel or Hornady American Gunner.
I must say im pretty impressed with that bullet out of a 2 inch barrel. It would have been better if it held together. I wonder how good are there 125 grain..
sam you said it best its not a great personal protection round but powerful becuase there are so many better choises for that, the blast alone would be a ear splitting ball of fire coming out of that muzzle, i remember when i first started handloading for my old ruger gp-100 .357 i would load a max charge of ww-296 and a 125 grain bullet and it was just a flame thrower coming out of that barrel, but at 35 yards it would obliterate a full milk jug and send it flying in the air, but!!! the 125gn had enough lead in it to maintain weight retention but not by much...so what i was trying to duplicate was the the old federal 125gn hp that law enforcement used in the day, but i believe my hand loads were quite a bit more stout than the factory 125gn load i sure it was pretty close to carbine speeds, as amatter of fact i may just do a experiment such as that with that load again out my s&w and my henry rifle.great video sam.
Thank you. I am starting to lean towards the 130 to 140 gr as being the ideal weight for .357 Magnum as it seems to lessen felt recoil but still have enough bullet weight to hold up. These loads are like the Super-Vel 90 gr .38+P's as just too fast for bullet weight. If they were a high up hard cast with a gas seal they would be awesome!
@@GunSam excellent idea sam, the old winchester 145gn silver tip was very sucessful for that reason great expansion and penetration met FBI ballistic standards, sounds llke you the beginning of a new project.
@@Ford360CID I should try those! I liked the Silvertip in .380 ACP, in .38 Special is was just okay. That's my end of experience with Silvertips, but I have heard about them for years and about 15 years ago Winchester released that online ballistics calculator, and I was always messing with it and the Silvertip was always one I selected to compare other to as it just sounded "cool". Now you got me thinking about $1 a round classic cool ammo, thanks lol
I wonder what those speeds should be out of my rossie 92. Out of a 16" barrel that would be a great varmint round.probably would have a real flat trajectory compared to 158 grain or even the 125 standers 357. Very impressive round and video thanks Sam
I wonder if this Corbon 357 mag is in the same range than Super Vel 38 spl +P cartridge, just with 90 grains? or even more powerfull than the old Remington 125 SJHP? Thank you very much indeed.
I have yet to break 600 ft lbs energy before today with .357 Magnum ammo. Jumping to 700 ft lbs is more powerful than any ammo I know of for .357 Magnum.
I’m from the Future (April 2022). I came back to warn you. Success of this channel is going to provide enough cash to buy (gasp!) ballistic gelatin. In the Future, you won’t see Sam smeared with Shredded Baloney, Backsplashed Water, and shards of exploded jugs! The Future is Boring!
What the see'er doesn't see is gun sam falling on ice and mud from the water. Then cleaning up the cameras and spending $50 for water jugs when supply is gone (cheaper to buy 40 in bulk). The problem with water VS gel is my ad revenue doubled when I went to gel, which means more tests. I could go back to less tests but personally, I like the gel and I do it because I want to see it. Recording it is secondary.
Given the burn rate of the powder and how low the discrepancy in velocity was between the 2" and 4" bbl.s., I rather doubt there's a lot left to milk out of it from a bbl. much longer than that 4". More velocity? Sure, but I think the 4" bbl. got most of it's potential out of it. It might make it to 2000 but I'm thinking probably not quite. Very impressive though.
@@WhoWouldWantThisName Yes, I tend to agree. Based on what I got which is more power than expected, I would say there's a little more left, but the flames were not that great out of my muzzle, I would agree it's fast burning and there's a limit before it loses steam.
It sounds like a great coyote round. It'd be good personal defense ammo if you know your assailant would be shirtless and standing in the open! Of course if I knew my attacker was going to be shirtless and standing in the open, I probably wouldn't be carrying my .357. It's very weird that Lucky Gunner got such slow velocities. I understand chronographs don't always agree, and several factors can influence results, but Lucky Gunner's numbers just sounded way off to me.
That looks to me like a round designed to maximize hydrostatic shock, seems to do a good job of that! I guess the question becomes, is that a good thing? I'd love to test ammunition on deer, but I'm limited to shotgun slugs for that and it's pretty well established that those work. You ever think about taking your revolver hunting for some real world testing?
Holy fire ball did thag blind you? The flash was killer! This for varmints mush be beautiful out of a lever gun. The 517 fpe is pretty impressive out of a 110gr and a snubby. For recoil sensative peeps maybe it would work well I prefer a bit heavier bullet for personal defense for sure.
Thanks for another fun video. I'm sure baloney everywhere is trembling in fear after seeing this. Seriously though looks like good medicine for varmint/pest control especially out of a rifle. Been thinking about picking up a .357 bolt gun like the Ruger M77 for that kind of fun. BTW - I'm sure you're appreciating the weather improvement finally! A lot nicer to be out shooting today in MI. I hate having to wear gloves when shooting any firearm.
Thank you. When it gets warm like this it's easier to do everything and not have to hurry. I rush my winter videos as the cold causes real pain for me.
@@GunSam I as well have issues with the cold. a Athough I much prefer shooting outdoors, my range sessions are abbreviated in the winter. Be nice to wear shorts and shoot year round...
Predicted at least 1600fps from your 4” 686, before you pulled the trigger, as you seem to regularly get at least 200fps more then us mere mortals in both .38 special and .357 magnum out of that gun. Not meant as a criticism by the way, just an observation. Really enjoy your videos.
One use for this might be people in apartments or condos who have over-penetration concerns. But have ears next to your bed to put on wnen you get your gun. A better choice is orobably the Winchester USA or Remington XTP loads, which are rated in the mid to upper 1200's. Less flash and blast, less recoil in snubbies etc. My thought when i saw your first velocity reading was, i hope that is a bonded bullet. Followed immediately by hey that is only about 200 fps less than .30 Carbine, and we know that works well with any expanding bullet. I will stick with 125's. Remington seems to have made their bullets a little stronger. They hold together and do not fragment like they used to. Which is a good thing, for the most part.
In a way, as long as you don't get hurt, looks like fun times! Just don't expect a birthday or X Mas card from bologna makers! Even as a great customer! Best regards...
Thank you. I tried to put enough thought into the box to avoid injury, which made the structural strength difficult. In the back there is no board bracing the two sides together like you see in the front, just a blanket.
I know this is an older video and I don't even know if Corbon makes this ammo anymore, but it would have been cool to see this chronographed out of a 6" gun and also out of a carbine just for giggles.
Thank you. "IF" I did try that I for sure would only fire it through my 686. I am sort of debating getting a 10mm barrel for my Glock, and if so some Underwood .357 Mag Xtreme hunter in the 686 vs something similar in the Glock might be interesting.
Holy s--t. Sorry A short barrel at 1400 fps. Damn. May change my opinion on THE core bon. I dont think my orginal COLT cobra 38 sp could handle the round safely.
This is pretty typical when using different guns, however 50 FPS is the normal discrepancy. Over 300 FPS like what we saw today isn't right. The industry standard is to use a 4" barrel for .357 Magnum ammo and it was rated at 1,500 FPS. Typically in all of my guns and testing, i'm within 50 FPS vs rated velocity, so I am confident with my numbers. I have no idea why the difference with Lucky Gunner, but my guess would be that Corbon changed the formula since Lucky Gunner did their testing.
@@GunSam I believe these velocities, considering a full power 125gr magnum load would likely get 1450 - 1500 fps out of your revolver. One of these CorBon loads hitting an attacker, he would definitely know he's been hit. I often wonder if the FBI's definition of what a good load should be is actually the best way to go. I mean, who is going to have a 110gr slug explode in their chest and want to continue?
I was looking at the 9mm 115 gr +P jhp an it was rated at 93.7% 1 shot stop and the 357 is more powerful so it has to be at l east as good as the 9mm so im guessing its a great round for the 605. Just wish I could get a few boxes of each now.
The thing with the stopping power charts, is they are often difficult to really know for sure how each round does, and some of them are not real world data, just a combination of goat butchery and other data. Now with the .357 Magnum we do know one thing for sure, that the 125 gr semi jacketed hollow point from Winchester, Federal and Remington IS 96% one shot stop, and we know this because there is a TON of real world data because this was a very common police load. In the same way we can be sure that the .38 Special LRN is about 50%, lots and lots of data. In a 2" barrel that 96% will change as 96% is based off of 1,450 FPS from a 4" barrel. It's difficult to really get good numbers because so much is taken into account more than velocity. My gut feeling says thought that even in a snub that 125 gr SJHP will do near as good, as that soft lead tip will still expand or fragment. Like, make two examples; if a 124 gr 9mm is moving at 1,200 FPS with a regular JHP VS a 125 gr .357 Mag SJHP at 1,200 FPS, the .357 Mag despite having the same energy, will perform better as it's tip is soft, and the hollow cavity is bigger than the 9mm's to begin with. This is a recipe for knockdown power ie stopping power ie make a person decide to stop fighting with one shot.
I probably would not test the +P+ stuff as my Ruger pistol is not rated for it. Too bad that I cannot find the +P, all I can find that I would be willing to shoot is the standard pressure stuff for Federal white box.
What sort of witchcraft is this? I mean holy velocity, Batman! I knew immediately that penetration was going to be minimal. Now if it was a solid copper projectile, it would be stronger and perhaps penetrate better. It would also be more expensive. As you had a picture of the 158gr HTP, I'm expecting that to be much slower and end up in the fourth jug, right where you would want a revolver round to end up. When you are rounds limited, you want those rounds to be more effective.
I expect the 158 gr HTP to outperform the 158 gr Hydrashok for energy. Such a balancing act in snubbies as what you want to see for terminal ballistics is not what is practical for the hands. I feel like keeping the weight somewhat high, and backing off the velocity is the way to go such as in the Gold Dot SB load. Going too light of bullet too fast or too heavy too slow are both not ideal.
@@GunSam I agree. I think the 180gr is more of a hunting load. The 125 is a classic, but it gets shredded. The 158gr is a standard weight for caliber, but going down to 135gr probably gets you closer to the sweet spot. Having the right grips for your hand size is also an important factor as 357 is high recoil no matter which way you go when you're shooting it in a 2" barrel ~22oz revolver.
@@Fudmottin haha. I think when i'm done with this series, which might take a year, I will do another summary of what the best .357 Magnum snub loads are. Even this early in the game I suspect that the Gold Dot 135 SB will be the winner or at least #2 out of the top 3.
I'd probably stick with a light magnum. In my experience the best are the Golden Saber 125 gr .357 Magnum, American Gunner 125 gr .357 Magnum and Gold Dot 135 gr short barrel .357 Magnum. The Gold Dot is the best but the other two are good too. All three come out of a snub nose with about the energy of a 9mm and they all have low recoil.
title that one, "baloney shower". I was looking for a muzzle energy calculator and came across billstclair.com/energy.html this page lets you put in the numbers, then gives you m.e., also it gives a number for "Efficacy . ("Efficacy" is a measure proposed by L. Neil Smith. It is defined as energy in foot pounds multiplied by projectile cross-sectional area in square inches. Neil says that this is a pretty good indicator of the relative efficacy against live targets of different projectiles and loads. In an email about this page, Neil wrote, "I'm not absolutely certain of its applicability to rifles (although it looks pretty good and is fine for slugs and rifles like .45/70). There are other factors at work above 2000-2500 feet per second. But every year that passes convinces me more that this is the perfect program for predicting handgun performance." ) 110gr. .357 going 1500fps has an efficacy number of 55, m.e.=547ft.lbs. 230 gr. .45 going 900fps has an efficacy number of 66, m.e.=414ft.lbs. so do you want to get run over by a sportscar that's going 100 or a dump truck going 60?
Good info. The way I see it is what will a dump truck do to a brick wall and building? Probably go through 2-3 walls. The sports car will only go through one but explode. Do you want to damage something big or something small is the question. Humans are mid size, this round would work and not penetrate through, but probably fail to stop a brown bear.
Great video! Interesting subject and commentary. I have been listening to two old guys (can' remember the channel name). I guess I am an old guy too. At any rate , their idea was to shoot the heaviest standard bullet they could get in the caliber. 147 grn 9mm, 158 grn in 38sp or 357 mag. 230 grn in 45 ACP. etc. From all the you tube videos shooting gel etc, I get the feeling they are correct. I'll try to come back with a link. Here is a kink to the channel "Gun Guys", it is a good one. th-cam.com/video/OQe5kA36HNA/w-d-xo.html Thanks Tim B.!
Interesting thought. I feel as a lot of times, what seems to be ideal is about the mid range for bullet weight for caliber, as some of the good attributes from light bullets come through, and some from heavy come through. In 9mm the 124 gr seems to be the sweet spot, in .357 Magnum the 135 gr and so on. Now for .45 ACP and .44 Mag, 230 and 240 gr seem to perform the best. That's just been my testing experience.
Corbon took $60 out of my account for online order.. I never received it .. called numerous numbers can’t reach anyone nor will they reply to my emails... bout 4 months now I’ve been trying to get my money 💰 or the ammo ..
That's not good. I have had something like that happen before, but not from the manufacturer themselves. They have an A+ rating with the BBB so I would try to figure out what's going on or make a report.
@timmybmn Lucky Gunner, Midway USA, Target Sports USA and Ammunitionstore are the places I shop online for ammo. They are always reliable for service and pretty quick.
So far in my tests I feel like the Gold Dot short barrel is the best .357 load, however the Golden Saber is also good as both are lower energy, perform well and are easy to handle in a snub. Also the American Gunner .357 is in the same class, lower power and recoil .357 but still all 3 are considerably more powerful than .38+p.
Special thanks to Tim B. Who supplied the ammunition for the next 8 videos of the series ".357 Magnum Ammo Test". I also wanted to point out that what I refer to as "error read" is typically caused by being too close to the chronograph, and what I believe happens is that the powder or smoke moves through the chronograph close to when the projectile does, so rather than picking up the projectile it picks up the powder or smoke's velocity. Backing up a bit gets the bullet there before the smoke so it reads just the projectile.
Tim B. I thank you! Best wishes and regards.
Thanks Tim B!!!👍
Tim B you the man!
Sam goes through considerable time researching and testing. Then there's the safety factor he must uphold. I couldn't agree with you more Tim. Let an experienced person with oodles of practice test the ammunition. I sincerely thank you for your contribution to the shooting community sir! Best regards!
Nice performer
I love Cor Bon. Especially the DPX. Cool stuff! Thanks!
Awesome video!! I am a huge 357 fan. Thanks for your videos.
Holy crap, Batman you don't think over 500 ft lb and penetration through three jugs is adequate for defensive ammunition for a snub-nosed?
The recoil was a bit much and fragmentation is questionable if barriers come into play, and or larger than average attackers.
If there's full penetration of the second jug and pieces of bullet in the third, I'm satisfied with it for antipersonnel use.
I carry 110gr in snuby with confidence in its ability to dump most energy into target.
Nice 👍🏻 I have a couple of boxes of this stuff lying around. Was curious of how this stuff would perform. Excellent test as always
Thank you. I would be cautious of trusting my test alone as other's show different numbers. I tend to see this with small ammunition companies. They can tweak and change things at will so maybe a previous loading of this might be lighter.
That looks like a recipe for flame cutting and forcing cone erosion.
Heart smasher.
1454fps out of a snubnose, is really impressive!
Very much so!
I am now a Corbon fan! That was like Buffalo Bore power there! Awesome!
Serious energy for sure. I think we might get .38 Special ballistics at 300 yards! Also very flat shooting.
I don't see this ammo in my local stores, but based on your test I would pass on it anyway; unless I was interested in making bologna shrapnel. As always very entertaining and informative, thanks Sam.
Thanks for watching. It's just too fast with so little bullet. But as expected, a light bullet going too fast usually fragments and does not penetrate far.
And yet people still say that hydrostatic shock doesn’t exist. They can continue to say it and hydrostatic shock will continue to obliterate objects.
could be wrong but my understanding of these light 357 rounds if that they're meant to blow up and dump all their energy quickly to avoid over penetration
"Reigning baloney, from a lacerated sky..."
I have carried since 1971, ya I am 70 now! Crap! Started with a Chief Special, then got a High Power, then all sorts of issued guns, then or should I say now I am back to rev's cause I have arthritous in hands. Even though I always had a CS around, now its my primary, along w/ a Mod 66 I bought in 1980. Just me!!!
If you're not getting kickbacks from Oscar Meyer there is no justice in the universe. But at least we can watch, learn, and be entertained by your video's. Keep on truckin'.
Haha. Well I am shooting the cheaper "Bar-S" bologna. Maybe Oscar Meyer can buy me off if I threaten to start shooting their bologna.
Thank you Tim B!
I totally forgot you tested this. I wonder if the post Covid ammo is a little less hot due to trying to save on powder. It really would be nice to have a factory load that is between 38Spl+P and 357 Magnum from a 2" barrel. 1200fps would be nice. Upper 9x19mm territory.
I personally can see using these for Home 🏠 Defense. At close range these would be very expensive. They would drop blood pressure fast. 😅
In a self defence situation this load will kill your ears/hearing from a 2 inch revolver.
So that 357 load is a great load for snubbies.
It's not bad but I think there are better loads.
Your analysis of the round seems to be good however a level 3A vest will stop a 357 but at 1700 fps will a level 3A stop this round.....speed defeats vests. ....... just something to consider........as always a great review
Thanks. I'm pretty sure a vest would stop it. Yes its fast but its also .35" and a HP.
I have 3A fiberglass plates. I could always test it.
If it's faster burning powder for these high velocities, why not use it in all 38 ammo?
Thanks, Tim B! Well done.
Haven't shot this but I've shot a box of the 38+p outta the lcr. I didn't keep any for defense because I shot the whole box of fun. The SP101 now wants this 357 for yuks. ✌️
It would handle it well! The SP101 I mean.
Well the velocity is pretty consistent from round to round. That 110 gr is really flyin' out of there
It's fast for sure! If a .380 cartridge were to fit and throw that bullet it would be at 700 fps. Think about that for a moment!
Kinda funny just found this video because right at 25 years ago I used to load a VERY simlar round, mine was using a 115 grain now discontinued Nosler hollow point bullet driven by Unique powder (can't remember the amount and i don't have my reloading note book in front of me to look at), balisticlly it was a basically an exact match for what you showed here, and I was looking for it to be a good low recoil high power load for my snubbies, and just like here it was and with explosive results on the target, I also found that slowing them down to match the velocity levels of a good hotter end of 9mm+p loading made them work like a dream both on power and target damage while still being pleasent enough from a small light gun like my 340pd or other's (yes I know the side of a 340 says not to use under a 125 grain bullet but the titanium cylinder on mine has been changed out and it is the reason for the 125 minimum so it's fine through my gun), that load was a great choice for that use, but Nosler had to go and discontinue them, however I still use them from time to time because I still have about 500 of them left from back then because I had bought like 2000 of them but once I run out that's it, I could try something like the 110grain xtp's but I really don't want to have to start the whole research and development thing all over again so 125's loaded to the milder side in 357 is good enough as far as I'm concerned.
I'm always torn on how I feel about hot 110 gr Magnums. I mean, they have low recoil and lots of sound, but in a lot of ways not very efficient in a short barrel. I'm leaning towards seeing how 180 gr magnums perform as they have a lot less powder, and while they will surely muzzle jump, the main recoil from the blast won't be as bad as some.
@@GunSam Suprizingly a heavy bullet like that will tend to have less of that "snappieness" that the lighter loadings do as kind of a general rule, they tend to feel more like a good heart shove moreso, but keep in mind that a heavy bullet from a short barrel may not get enough velocity for the hollow point to open up and may lead to more penetration or over penetration than desired, the 180 grain+ .357 bullets tend to be penetrating monsters, that said personally I consider the whole "over penetration" thing to be something totally over played, no having bullets that can rip thru 6 lined up human bodies may not be something good if you live in closed in areas where you might have to use it, but most average loadings from even a 357 that expand decently will have expended so much of it's power after having penetrated the full bredth of the average human body that the chances of it still being lethal to an unlucky bystander that gets hit by it would be pretty darn slim, not that you want a bystander to even be harmed hell no, but untill the design computer controlled bullets even those that seem perfect when test can always perform otherwise due to variables that are just to numerous to make consideration of, so I believe the best we can do would be to just go with what seems to be the mainstream and dare I say proven choices with at least some form of track record and endorcement by profession testers such as the nanufacturers and possibly the FBI or other law enforcement agencies, of course being there is no such thing as the "perfect" bullet or loading that's about the best we can do, the real trick is just convincing yourself that your choice will do the job just fine and let that be the driving factor that gives you the confidence in your over chosen carry combination that it will be up to the task when god forbid you need to call upon it, otherwise you could very well drive yourself nuts worrying about it, I'll kinda sum it up this way, I know there are a surplus of bull shiters that don't know their ass from their elbow but want to talk and act as though they do on here,,,,but Sam I am not bull shitting you in the slightest and I do have fairly damn extensive experience playing around just the way you do with all this bullet/load testing, mine was more because I was/have been so into hunting as stated in some of my other comments I've made on your videos, and that goes into at least 35years of the 42 years that I've been an avid hunter, I'm 54 years old and started hunting at 12, my uncle the one that is the gunsmith started me into the hunting/reloading thing when I was 12, but I have only done reloading completely on my since I was about 18 so that's why I say 35 years on that point, I've also been a concealed carrier since I was 19 when I was in LA California going to school for engineering and took a night job for income working as an armed security gaurd for California Plant Protection, anyhow all that testing of ammo through all those years looking for the perfect bullet for this or that purpose really only achieved one main thing, it did give me a hell of a log book of loading information, but it never really achieved the goal of finding that one "perfect" load/bullet for anyone of the guns/calibers I was working on, I would think AH HA I think I've got it because I would hit on a combination that performed great in my bone box or whatever test media I thru at it, it had the velocities I was looking for and accuracy, then at some later point I'd decide to give it a try again and the results would more than not come out different even though to all apperances nothing should have changed, another example of that would be my 338 win mag, that particular gun has been used to down no less than 10 elk during my years of hunting, and for damn near every one of those elk it has been with my pet loading of the nosler 250 grain partion loading I worked up for it 30 years ago, of the elk it's been used on there is no accounting for one elk hit squarely solid in the boiler room ends up having to be tracked some distance before finnaly expireing while another not hit quite as well drops in it's tracks and never even twitches, or one bullet that's recoverd from an elk that hit heavy bone is perfectly mushroomed and looking good while another that hit nothing but muscle tissue is fragmented into bits even though they are the same damn type and weight and construction and from the same batch, no explianing it other than completely un able to in any way be figured upon variables is the only thing I can chalk it up to, that is the very reason I gave up splitting hairs and being so worried about what loads i carry in my CCW, (however It's stiil fun to watch you younger guys wrestling with all the same stuff I did 20-30years ago, that and there is some rather interesting new stuff coming outof recent, but me I'm kind of an old dog not overly prone to new tricks, and I have those loadings that I have been using for well 30+ years that has just proven themselves effective from actuall use on living things, and that like stated earlier in this comment has come to give me confidence in my choices, anymore I just don't get stressed or even really put that much thought into what I load my gun with every morning, when I wake in the morning the first thing I do is get a cup of coffee, the very next thing I do is park my ass at my rather huge oak desk in front of my computer screen, just off to the right of my desk barely arms length away is a small locking pistol cabinet with a few of my guns in it, they are mostly a couple 3 inch jFrames model 60's my Kimber K6 DA/SA, my 2.5 and 3 inch 686+'s, my model 69 2.75 inch and my 629 mountain gun, and my 340pd, (my main carry guns all still in their respective holsters), also in that cabinet is a roughly 1.5 quart size tupperware bowl that holds my carry ammo, in that bowl there is a mixture of anything from 125 to 180 XTP loads, 125 to 158 grain gold dots of my own loading, a few factory golden sabres (weights I can't really remember), a few 158 grain gas checked lead semiwadcutter hollow point I loaded up some time ago, and some remington factory loaded 125 and 158 grain half jacketed hollow points, even got a managerie of some 44 magnums throw into the same bowl, right beside that bowl is several speed strips and speed loaders for the various guns, but I couldn't truely tell you exactly what loading are in each of those strips or speedloaders and a couple of them don't have any 2 the same, anyhow my routine is to sit at that desk drink my coffee, open that cabinet chose the gun that turns my fancy for that day load it with a handfull of whatever I grab of the loose ammo in that bowl, grab a couple of the allready loaded speed strips throw one in my pocket and on in my carrier I have on my belt, and or maybe a speed loader in a carrier on my belt, but the point is I stopped giving much of a care as to having to be overly concerned with ammo choice a good many years ago now, because time and actuall experience from having to kill at least a few wild critters and many I've hunted on purpose has showed me that as long as you stay with decent quality time proven choices by well know quality manufacturers (do yourself a favor and stay away from these fad ammo's that come out would be some best advice I could give), the relatively slight differences from one breed to another won't hardly make a rats ass difference in the real world if and when they actually have to be used to save you ass from certain doom do to those unpredictable variables previously mentioned, the difference on target accuracy or slightly differing points of impact will also have narry a rats ass bering within deffensive ranges also, a round or so that goes 3 or so inches out of the main group when shooting groups at a target just ain't gonna matter, because few if any will ever hold a group tight enough when firing under the stress of fighting for you life that those 3 or so inches would ever be noticed, so one breed/weight/bullet design of ammo that prints it's main group a few inches (3 or so as I say) from another just really has proven to be non- consideration to me, any mixture loaded into any of those guns I carry from that bowl of ammo will keep shot after shot inside a 6 inch circle all day long at out to 15 yards,,,,,more than perfectly adequate for defense of life and limb, anyhow didn't meen to write a novel and I hope you see this because pondering it over would be a good consideration for you my friend.
That ammo dumped its energy into target without over penetration. I'd say it's great for self defense.
Yessiree I think that outperformed most 9mm cartridges. Just a tad. Wonder how the same charge would perform moving up the bullet weight to something like a 125 or 142....
Yeah, just a tad lol, only added roughly 100% more power over a 9mm. I would assume that the 125 gr would perform similarly but a little better, and if there is a 142 gr, would do much better, but at the same time i'd be getting recoil above what I want to have.
@@GunSam True. Was the recoil 'manageable' as compared to a few other .357 you been running in the snubby?
@@exothermal.sprocket It was a little less recoil than 125 gr full house loads the Rem HTP and 158 gr Hydrashok. But it was more than Gold Dot short barrel or Hornady American Gunner.
@@GunSam Seems the fast-flash powders favor the stubby barrels. Recoil impulse can be snappy however.
Out of a levergun this stuff would be over 2000fps and as u said a varmints worst nightmare!!👊👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
My educated guess says about 1,900 FPS or more. Would definitely do some damage.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Smokin’ round out of a lever gun.
Very impressive. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I must say im pretty impressed with that bullet out of a 2 inch barrel. It would have been better if it held together. I wonder how good are there 125 grain..
Probably pretty well.
sam you said it best its not a great personal protection round but powerful becuase there are so many better choises for that, the blast alone would be a ear splitting ball of fire coming out of that muzzle, i remember when i first started handloading for my old ruger gp-100 .357 i would load a max charge of ww-296 and a 125 grain bullet and it was just a flame thrower coming out of that barrel, but at 35 yards it would obliterate a full milk jug and send it flying in the air, but!!! the 125gn had enough lead in it to maintain weight retention but not by much...so what i was trying to duplicate was the the old federal 125gn hp that law enforcement used in the day, but i believe my hand loads were quite a bit more stout than the factory 125gn load i sure it was pretty close to carbine speeds, as amatter of fact i may just do a experiment such as that with that load again out my s&w and my henry rifle.great video sam.
Thank you. I am starting to lean towards the 130 to 140 gr as being the ideal weight for .357 Magnum as it seems to lessen felt recoil but still have enough bullet weight to hold up. These loads are like the Super-Vel 90 gr .38+P's as just too fast for bullet weight. If they were a high up hard cast with a gas seal they would be awesome!
@@GunSam excellent idea sam, the old winchester 145gn silver tip was very sucessful for that reason great expansion and penetration met FBI ballistic standards, sounds llke you the beginning of a new project.
@@Ford360CID I should try those! I liked the Silvertip in .380 ACP, in .38 Special is was just okay. That's my end of experience with Silvertips, but I have heard about them for years and about 15 years ago Winchester released that online ballistics calculator, and I was always messing with it and the Silvertip was always one I selected to compare other to as it just sounded "cool". Now you got me thinking about $1 a round classic cool ammo, thanks lol
I wonder what those speeds should be out of my rossie 92. Out of a 16" barrel that would be a great varmint round.probably would have a real flat trajectory compared to 158 grain or even the 125 standers 357. Very impressive round and video thanks Sam
Thanks for watching. I would guess about a 200 FPS gain in a 16" barrel.
You stated that weighed less than advertised just curious but do you think it's because you changed the grip? Thanks again for another video
The Taurus weighs 21 oz on my scale but listed as 24 oz by Taurus.
I wonder if this Corbon 357 mag is in the same range than Super Vel 38 spl +P cartridge, just with 90 grains? or even more powerfull than the old Remington 125 SJHP? Thank you very much indeed.
I have yet to break 600 ft lbs energy before today with .357 Magnum ammo. Jumping to 700 ft lbs is more powerful than any ammo I know of for .357 Magnum.
Lol, I'd use that for a snubby load all day long.
I’m from the Future (April 2022). I came back to warn you. Success of this channel is going to provide enough cash to buy (gasp!) ballistic gelatin. In the Future, you won’t see Sam smeared with Shredded Baloney, Backsplashed Water, and shards of exploded jugs! The Future is Boring!
What the see'er doesn't see is gun sam falling on ice and mud from the water. Then cleaning up the cameras and spending $50 for water jugs when supply is gone (cheaper to buy 40 in bulk). The problem with water VS gel is my ad revenue doubled when I went to gel, which means more tests. I could go back to less tests but personally, I like the gel and I do it because I want to see it. Recording it is secondary.
Man I wonder how that would chrono out of 14 inch TC or a rifle bet it would get over 2000 FPS
possibly!
Given the burn rate of the powder and how low the discrepancy in velocity was between the 2" and 4" bbl.s., I rather doubt there's a lot left to milk out of it from a bbl. much longer than that 4". More velocity? Sure, but I think the 4" bbl. got most of it's potential out of it. It might make it to 2000 but I'm thinking probably not quite. Very impressive though.
@@WhoWouldWantThisName Yes, I tend to agree. Based on what I got which is more power than expected, I would say there's a little more left, but the flames were not that great out of my muzzle, I would agree it's fast burning and there's a limit before it loses steam.
It sounds like a great coyote round. It'd be good personal defense ammo if you know your assailant would be shirtless and standing in the open! Of course if I knew my attacker was going to be shirtless and standing in the open, I probably wouldn't be carrying my .357. It's very weird that Lucky Gunner got such slow velocities. I understand chronographs don't always agree, and several factors can influence results, but Lucky Gunner's numbers just sounded way off to me.
I really have no explanation. Typically what I get is pretty close to rated velocity, but these were very far above even rated.
If this round were to be in a FMJ out of a 16 inch barrel sounds like it would be very comprable to it 30 carbine
I wonder if this ammo causes damage to the forcing cone like other jacketed lead 110s?
Probably with enough use of it. I would not use it in a 340 PD or the like.
That looks to me like a round designed to maximize hydrostatic shock, seems to do a good job of that! I guess the question becomes, is that a good thing?
I'd love to test ammunition on deer, but I'm limited to shotgun slugs for that and it's pretty well established that those work. You ever think about taking your revolver hunting for some real world testing?
Holy fire ball did thag blind you? The flash was killer! This for varmints mush be beautiful out of a lever gun. The 517 fpe is pretty impressive out of a 110gr and a snubby. For recoil sensative peeps maybe it would work well I prefer a bit heavier bullet for personal defense for sure.
I actually thought that the flash was pretty low compared to a lot of magnum ammo I test.
@@GunSam really Im not use to seeing so much flash in the vids. maybe I just have not noticed
Thanks for another fun video. I'm sure baloney everywhere is trembling in fear after seeing this. Seriously though looks like good medicine for varmint/pest control especially out of a rifle. Been thinking about picking up a .357 bolt gun like the Ruger M77 for that kind of fun. BTW - I'm sure you're appreciating the weather improvement finally! A lot nicer to be out shooting today in MI. I hate having to wear gloves when shooting any firearm.
Thank you. When it gets warm like this it's easier to do everything and not have to hurry. I rush my winter videos as the cold causes real pain for me.
@@GunSam I as well have issues with the cold. a
Athough I much prefer shooting outdoors, my range sessions are abbreviated in the winter. Be nice to wear shorts and shoot year round...
I'm now interested in what Cor Bon might have in a 125 grain or heavier.
Yes, might be interesting!
Predicted at least 1600fps from your 4” 686, before you pulled the trigger, as you seem to regularly get at least 200fps more then us mere mortals in both .38 special and .357 magnum out of that gun. Not meant as a criticism by the way, just an observation. Really enjoy your videos.
One use for this might be people in apartments or condos who have over-penetration concerns. But have ears next to your bed to put on wnen you get your gun. A better choice is orobably the Winchester USA or Remington XTP loads, which are rated in the mid to upper 1200's. Less flash and blast, less recoil in snubbies etc. My thought when i saw your first velocity reading was, i hope that is a bonded bullet. Followed immediately by hey that is only about 200 fps less than .30 Carbine, and we know that works well with any expanding bullet. I will stick with 125's. Remington seems to have made their bullets a little stronger. They hold together and do not fragment like they used to. Which is a good thing, for the most part.
In a way, as long as you don't get hurt, looks like fun times! Just don't expect a birthday or X Mas card from bologna makers! Even as a great customer! Best regards...
Thank you. I tried to put enough thought into the box to avoid injury, which made the structural strength difficult. In the back there is no board bracing the two sides together like you see in the front, just a blanket.
This and the super vel are mooooooving!!! Lol
Yes lol. It's hard to believe the energy numbers. Been waiting to get 600 ft lbs as I don't believe I have yet, but this one jumped past it to 700!
I know this is an older video and I don't even know if Corbon makes this ammo anymore, but it would have been cool to see this chronographed out of a 6" gun and also out of a carbine just for giggles.
If anyone knows what kind of powder this ammo was loaded with at the factory lmk plz
There's no way to know. Even pulling a bullet and inspecting it wouldn't be a sure thing as some companies make their own powder blends.
@@GunSam thanks for the info
FREAKIN AWESOME SHOOTING !!! GOOD JOB!!
PLEASE....try Underwood xtreme hunter in .357 magnum. I just got some for defense and hope it's awesome.
Thank you. "IF" I did try that I for sure would only fire it through my 686. I am sort of debating getting a 10mm barrel for my Glock, and if so some Underwood .357 Mag Xtreme hunter in the 686 vs something similar in the Glock might be interesting.
Holy s--t. Sorry
A short barrel at 1400 fps. Damn. May change my opinion on THE core bon. I dont think my orginal COLT cobra 38 sp could handle the round safely.
Well I hope it wouldn't chamber a .357 Magnum round lol.
@@GunSam no way. Orginal colt cobra 38 sp. Nichol finish.
I wonder why you got so much more velocity than luckygunner.
This is pretty typical when using different guns, however 50 FPS is the normal discrepancy. Over 300 FPS like what we saw today isn't right. The industry standard is to use a 4" barrel for .357 Magnum ammo and it was rated at 1,500 FPS. Typically in all of my guns and testing, i'm within 50 FPS vs rated velocity, so I am confident with my numbers. I have no idea why the difference with Lucky Gunner, but my guess would be that Corbon changed the formula since Lucky Gunner did their testing.
@@GunSam I believe these velocities, considering a full power 125gr magnum load would likely get 1450 - 1500 fps out of your revolver. One of these CorBon loads hitting an attacker, he would definitely know he's been hit. I often wonder if the FBI's definition of what a good load should be is actually the best way to go. I mean, who is going to have a 110gr slug explode in their chest and want to continue?
I was looking at the 9mm 115 gr +P jhp an it was rated at 93.7% 1 shot stop and the 357 is more powerful so it has to be at l east as good as the 9mm so im guessing its a great round for the 605. Just wish I could get a few boxes of each now.
The thing with the stopping power charts, is they are often difficult to really know for sure how each round does, and some of them are not real world data, just a combination of goat butchery and other data. Now with the .357 Magnum we do know one thing for sure, that the 125 gr semi jacketed hollow point from Winchester, Federal and Remington IS 96% one shot stop, and we know this because there is a TON of real world data because this was a very common police load. In the same way we can be sure that the .38 Special LRN is about 50%, lots and lots of data. In a 2" barrel that 96% will change as 96% is based off of 1,450 FPS from a 4" barrel. It's difficult to really get good numbers because so much is taken into account more than velocity. My gut feeling says thought that even in a snub that 125 gr SJHP will do near as good, as that soft lead tip will still expand or fragment. Like, make two examples; if a 124 gr 9mm is moving at 1,200 FPS with a regular JHP VS a 125 gr .357 Mag SJHP at 1,200 FPS, the .357 Mag despite having the same energy, will perform better as it's tip is soft, and the hollow cavity is bigger than the 9mm's to begin with. This is a recipe for knockdown power ie stopping power ie make a person decide to stop fighting with one shot.
@@GunSam thank you very good write up here
any plans to test the classic standard 115+p 9mm at 1350fps ?
I probably would not test the +P+ stuff as my Ruger pistol is not rated for it. Too bad that I cannot find the +P, all I can find that I would be willing to shoot is the standard pressure stuff for Federal white box.
@@GunSam The Federal XM9001 is not rated +P but chrono's 1300 FPS.
What sort of witchcraft is this? I mean holy velocity, Batman! I knew immediately that penetration was going to be minimal. Now if it was a solid copper projectile, it would be stronger and perhaps penetrate better. It would also be more expensive. As you had a picture of the 158gr HTP, I'm expecting that to be much slower and end up in the fourth jug, right where you would want a revolver round to end up. When you are rounds limited, you want those rounds to be more effective.
I expect the 158 gr HTP to outperform the 158 gr Hydrashok for energy. Such a balancing act in snubbies as what you want to see for terminal ballistics is not what is practical for the hands. I feel like keeping the weight somewhat high, and backing off the velocity is the way to go such as in the Gold Dot SB load. Going too light of bullet too fast or too heavy too slow are both not ideal.
@@GunSam I agree. I think the 180gr is more of a hunting load. The 125 is a classic, but it gets shredded. The 158gr is a standard weight for caliber, but going down to 135gr probably gets you closer to the sweet spot. Having the right grips for your hand size is also an important factor as 357 is high recoil no matter which way you go when you're shooting it in a 2" barrel ~22oz revolver.
@@GunSam I forgot to say that this should come in a yellow box labelled "Super Duper Snub".
@@Fudmottin haha. I think when i'm done with this series, which might take a year, I will do another summary of what the best .357 Magnum snub loads are. Even this early in the game I suspect that the Gold Dot 135 SB will be the winner or at least #2 out of the top 3.
Barnes 140! Barnes 140! Barnes 140!
what low recoil snub nose 357 ammunition do you recommend? or 38 special? kimber k6s revollver
I'd probably stick with a light magnum. In my experience the best are the Golden Saber 125 gr .357 Magnum, American Gunner 125 gr .357 Magnum and Gold Dot 135 gr short barrel .357 Magnum. The Gold Dot is the best but the other two are good too. All three come out of a snub nose with about the energy of a 9mm and they all have low recoil.
That makes my stomach hurt! Shoot it thru a 16" rifle, wow.
too much power!
Now that’s a show stopper on a crack head. 🤩😗😁
title that one, "baloney shower". I was looking for a muzzle energy calculator and came across billstclair.com/energy.html
this page lets you put in the numbers, then gives you m.e., also it gives a number for "Efficacy .
("Efficacy" is a measure proposed by L. Neil Smith. It is defined as energy in foot pounds multiplied by projectile cross-sectional area in square inches. Neil says that this is a pretty good indicator of the relative efficacy against live targets of different projectiles and loads. In an email about this page, Neil wrote, "I'm not absolutely certain of its applicability to rifles (although it looks pretty good and is fine for slugs and rifles like .45/70). There are other factors at work above 2000-2500 feet per second. But every year that passes convinces me more that this is the perfect program for predicting handgun performance." )
110gr. .357 going 1500fps has an efficacy number of 55, m.e.=547ft.lbs.
230 gr. .45 going 900fps has an efficacy number of 66, m.e.=414ft.lbs.
so do you want to get run over by a sportscar that's going 100 or a dump truck going 60?
Good info. The way I see it is what will a dump truck do to a brick wall and building? Probably go through 2-3 walls. The sports car will only go through one but explode. Do you want to damage something big or something small is the question. Humans are mid size, this round would work and not penetrate through, but probably fail to stop a brown bear.
Great video! Interesting subject and commentary. I have been listening to two old guys (can' remember the channel name). I guess I am an old guy too. At any rate , their idea was to shoot the heaviest standard bullet they could get in the caliber. 147 grn 9mm, 158 grn in 38sp or 357 mag. 230 grn in 45 ACP. etc. From all the you tube videos shooting gel etc, I get the feeling they are correct. I'll try to come back with a link.
Here is a kink to the channel "Gun Guys", it is a good one. th-cam.com/video/OQe5kA36HNA/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Tim B.!
Interesting thought. I feel as a lot of times, what seems to be ideal is about the mid range for bullet weight for caliber, as some of the good attributes from light bullets come through, and some from heavy come through. In 9mm the 124 gr seems to be the sweet spot, in .357 Magnum the 135 gr and so on. Now for .45 ACP and .44 Mag, 230 and 240 gr seem to perform the best. That's just been my testing experience.
Corbon took $60 out of my account for online order.. I never received it .. called numerous numbers can’t reach anyone nor will they reply to my emails... bout 4 months now I’ve been trying to get my money 💰 or the ammo ..
That's not good. I have had something like that happen before, but not from the manufacturer themselves. They have an A+ rating with the BBB so I would try to figure out what's going on or make a report.
Will do thanks bro!!
@timmybmn Lucky Gunner, Midway USA, Target Sports USA and Ammunitionstore are the places I shop online for ammo. They are always reliable for service and pretty quick.
what ammunition do you recommend for a 2" barrel 357 magnum for personal protection (kimber k6s revolver)
So far in my tests I feel like the Gold Dot short barrel is the best .357 load, however the Golden Saber is also good as both are lower energy, perform well and are easy to handle in a snub. Also the American Gunner .357 is in the same class, lower power and recoil .357 but still all 3 are considerably more powerful than .38+p.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ thanks