💥The Most Notorious Manstopper Round💥Ballistic Test
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- This is one of the most notorious "manstopper" handgun rounds out there. It's street credibility is incredible, so I am testing it to see why! Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
Another good reason to test the snub nose barrel in addition to the 4" barrel, is that at 75 yards this ammo from the 4" barrel is almost exactly as powerful as the 2" barrel at the muzzle. So, if you wonder what this round would have done in the gel from the 4" barrel at 75 yards, just look to the 2" barrel gel test. Simple as that.
......EDC a Coonan Arms .357?......
@@mattwilcox3645 my EDC was made in 1895 and it is more powerful than a short barrel .357! Really with no exaggeration! Although it is bigger than the snub nose stuff but dang it who cares??I used to carry the full sized Gasser which is as big as the two in the video plus my current EDC combined (9.5" barrel, almost 8lbs) just for fun and had no problem doing so! And it was concealed enough to be physically impossible to tell if I had it on me or not!
If something the gun I am carrying is a french Mle-1892 and although originally it was loaded with a pretty anemic ammo but the gun itself is really well built and that allows me to just put 8 or even more grains of Unique in each round and so to get the 120 grain FMJ bullet fired at over 1400 fps!I really can't understand why people are so much fixed on super compact shit that either won't kill a mouse with one round or will break your wrist because you got the full powered .357 magnum fired out of a gun that weights less than a pound+even if you don't-you still won't hit a house from 50 yards with it!
At 75 yards it would be an improbable self defense distance for a one shot man stopping power, right?
@@mitubogoogle Very difficult to quantify those numbers as there's nothing listed on any charts with this round in a snub. The closest thing you have is looking at 9mm 124 gr at close to the same velocity as this in the snub, and that's 83% once shot stop. Now this bullet is semi jacketed and that 9mm is not, so it's not black and white but i'd say at 75 yards you're still over 8 in 10 odds to stop someone with one well placed shot.
If you like fragmenting rounds try ICC or Liberty Civil defense, Or G2 Rip
That round works, Sam. My wife was a cop in south Texas in the mid 1990’s, small town gal carrying S&W M66. After being stabbed by a repeat child rapist she was arresting (vest in cuiser trunk because S.Texas summer), a struggle ensued, whereby a 125gr SJHP permanently rehabilitated the perp. He raped no more children. She still has the Model 66-4 and it is loaded with 125gr SJHP. 👍
God bless her.
That’s a hell of a story brother , stay safe !
I love storys with a happy ending!!!
Nice job!
Badass...
Merica 🇺🇲
No need for 17 rounds of mediocre from a Glock 17 to rapid fire hoping the perp feels one of those shock-free bullets.
This Remington SJHP 125 was "THE" round when I started Police Work in the late 70's. It was unreal as a stopper. Sad to say, I have witnessed this round perform in real life. It is devastating!!!
I’ve seen it too. This is a really effective round and it is still my favorite in the .357.
This was our issued ammo in the 80s at my old job.
When I started my law enforcement career in 1988, we were issued the Federal brand version of this round. Our testing produced the same results. It was also the only one that we found to reliably penetrate auto glass and remain on target.
I think it should still be an option in law enforcement for revolver guys. They could carry moon clips
@@anthonysmith3132 I think you would have to first prove that 9mm service pistols aren't effectively doing the job. If a Glock 17, for example, has a proven street record of sufficiently stopping bad guys then no department is going to take on the liability of allowing an officer to carry a 6 or 7 shot revolver as their primary weapon regardless of caliber. The other argument is that the 357 magnum is overkill for most anti-personnel purposes. It's an awesome caliber though. No doubt.
My wife came to me a couple of years ago and asked me what she could carry that was more powerful than the 38. I told her that in 35 years off marriage, she has never been more sexy. I bought her a Ruger sp101 with Crimson Trace grips. Always enjoy your videos.
I never feel under gunned with a 357 Magnum or a 357Sig, I love them both!
Yep!
That's Right!
@harry maboff not to mention how 357m and Sig affects your senses in the dark and confined spaces. I'm a fan both 357 flavors and carried both on the job. When I can cherry pick a situatiion I use it. 9mm is the real jack of all trades.
When I began Law Enforcement in 1976 these 125 grain 357mg rounds were the goto rounds. Glad you showed how effective they were! Thank you!
just bought 100 rd box of this for my Ruger Security Six w/ 6in barrel. with shipping about same price you quoted.... so I am happy prices are not sky high like everything else...Nice video.
My 39 year old 357 magnum is still my favorite gun. I bought it when I was in the military stationed at Malmstrom Air Force base Montana.
Malmstrom is STILL windy !
Thank you Sam. When I served in Vietnam we were allowed to choose the firearm and ammo of our choice. I carried a Colt Trooper .357 Magnum with a 6" barrel. I've continued to carry a .357, these days it's a 4" barrel.
As an update I'd like to add that I now have a 4" Taurus 627 Trooper in .357 magnum, an EAA Windicator with a 3" barrel and a Rossi Model 92 with a 20" barrel. The .357 magnum remains a favorite of mine.
Wow,that's amazing. 👍🧑✈️
Thank you sir for your service to our country.
When every gun channel is soo sold out fake and shill you find sams channel you realize old school TH-cam and there are still awesome tubers left, soo genuine bless you sam, there are only two gun channels I still watch and subscribe to on TH-cam and trust, it’s sams channel and Paul Harrells channel no bs straight facts different flavors, no political bs and no controversy horse riding from the latest news
Old school ammo in a old school gun, it's a great combination. I use it in my 686 also. The 38 spcl +P works great in my J frame. Let's keep it a secret between us though. Don't want panic buying going on.
Just purchased a S&W 686 with a three inch barrel. Haven't shot it yet but know I'm gonna love this weapon.
Hold on tight
I hunted deer with the Remington 125 Grain SJHP SCALLOPED bullet from a tree stand. The first one was dropped at 80 yards and the second was dropped at 50 yards. I used a Colt Mark lll with a 8 inch barrel. I carried a S&W Model 66 as my off-duty with the same rounds as I was aware of the one-shot stoppages that my department had in their education information. This round is fantastic and I always had a respect for Remington ammunition. P.S. I always liked Federal too.
it's fantastic stuff. Energy dumps, fragments and all of that. Really drops a man. People act like 9mm is so good now days, but in all my testing it looks like the nose design makes the bullet enter like an FMJ, then slowly expand and not do that much damage. A .357 Mag fully expanding and fragmenting in half the depth is really where it's at.
I've never hesitated to carry the big box 125's in the field. The Remington round has proven itself to me on several occasions. Last seasons white tail ran about ten feet and died. If it'll do that to a deer, it'll dump any man on his ass.
I killed quite a few whitetails with that load out of my old S+W M-27 with a 6" barrel. Bought the thing back in 1975!
@@GeorgeSemel I hunted down a huge buck with my .32 revolver the last in this season!By the way figured out the cheapest thing to fire for only 15 cents each round and the one that is not affected by any ammunition shortage being absolutely with an unlimited supply! Can share if you're interested!
I never trusted the 125s as a deer load in .357. The are pretty fragile, which is exactly why they work so well as defensive rounds. I seriously don't think they were ever really intended for hunting game animals. I think heavier bullets with more controlled expansion are more suitable for hunting use.
@@johnnorman7708 I understand where you are coming from. I've had good results on white tail. But, i'm really picky with shot placement and will turn down anything but a for sure broadside shot. They really drop one fast with a solid lung or heart shot. Cuts down on tracking.That being said, I've seen them blow up on shoulders, so yeah, they're frangible. I get out the hard casts or the soft points for hogs.
No wonder those 125s are working so well. Perfect placement. My jacketed bullet of choice in .357 is the XTP. A bit less prone to fragmenting than some of the others . Hard cast SWCs are pretty amazing as to how well they penetrate and take game. Killed 1 deer with a .38 special level load once. Broke a shoulder bone, perforated the heart, and bounced off the chest wall on the opposite side. About 25 yards away. Deer ran about 25 yards and piled up. That bullet was straight wheel weight out of a 150 grain Lee SWC mould. Charge was 4.5 gr of 231. It was my general purpose plinking and small game load at the time. Didn't plan on shooting a deer with it. Had mountain grouse in mind.
👍👍works good out of my 3" sp101 also. Really like this round.
I have the same gun as you. Put some Hogue grips on it. Love it.
Full size S&W 627 w/5" barrel and a CC version with 2.6" barrel. Both 8 shots. Can't imagine a better selection of personal handguns - better than those 17+ round 9mm, as far as I'm concerned.
I came across some statistical data recently and couldn't believe the percentile rating on the .357 and the .45ACP they were both well above 90% one shot stops.
It's a guy on TH-cam that hunts strictly with handguns. I've watched him drop deer and elk with a 45acp. 45acp and 357 mag are definitely some of the best man stoppers around.
I seen both 45 and 357 fail on multiple shootings.
No you haven’t
@@rockjohnson2879 Nothing beats bullet placement and penetration. A 22 through the heart beats a 45 in the foot.
@@rockjohnson2879 you've seen some lousy shooting is what you saw.
Impressive expansion and fragmentation from the 357 magnum really shows the reputation
The more Videos I watch between revolvers and semi-autos, different ammunition with different loads, the more I like 357 for personal protection. Law enforcement, different story, but for me a private citizen, a .357 Revolver (4 inch barrel) with a good round is the way to go for so many reasons. Nice shooting Sam, hitting consistently at 50 yards,. In my opinion, really cannot ask for more.
Thank you
I agree with you wholeheartedly! .357 magnum for personal self defense. And I practice with9mm a lot as well, but I’m a wheel gunner 👍
For self defense, I say revolver + auto sans extra ammo. That's ~14-25 shots without reloading. I like a snubnose just because it's the quickest way to fend off an ambush, and it's ideal for shooting from inside a pocket or from an awkward position (like from inside your car) when the gun isn't properly braced, meaning scenarios where a slide could jam.
I've been carrying a glock 27 for the past 3 years. Yesterday I helped my brother clear some land. I had to put it in the truck but had my .22 revolver in my pocket and I would actually forget it was there sometimes. It's an h&r 929 so if you know of any reliable 357 about that size please let me know
@@xxxYYZxxx one without an exposed hammers good if you have to get down at a sketchy store or something. Especially with jacket pockets
Whenever I can't decide on what handgun to carry , I pick-up one of my .357s' and it's usually my 3" S&W mod. 60 . My carry load is always a 125 grain jhp . I usually carry the Buffalo Bore loaded rounds , but from what I see in your testing of these Remington loads , I think they'd be just as effective . I think the .357 Magnum is the best handgun cartridge available , it's powerful & versatile . Great video as usual !
Old school doing work!! This ammo looks about perfect from a 4" barrel. Huge expansion,good penetration and some fragmentation, what else could you ask for? Being cheaper than most modern ammo is just icing on the cake. Great job!!!
Thanks. Yes, it's hard to beat. And honestly, I have ran a lot of ammo through that 2" barrel and i'd say this is the only magnum round to feel half way controllable and still have decent terminal performance.
i would have to agree with you on this one
ROLL TIDE!
@@GunSam
Remington's 158 grain semi jacketed hollow point is an awesome round as well. Some of the most beautiful mushrooms that I have ever seen with about 16 inches of penetration. I have never used it with anything less than 4 inches of barrel though. I cannot say what the performance or recoil is like in a snubbie. It is rated at 1250 fps and very manageable out of a 4 inch revolver. It may not be the latest and greatest so it gets overlooked today, but, a lot of us old timers are still around because the old school stuff worked. It worked then and if the new generation of shooters today gave it a try, they would find that it would work for them too.
I have Evan Marshall and Ed Sanow's landmark treatise on Handgun Stopping Power (circa 1992). The Federal 125 GR SJHP was dubbed the "King of the Street" due to it's 96% one-shot stop rating.
First gun I bought was a 686+ in 4". A great handgun and love the versatility of round options.
a 4" 686 can never be a mistake, ever, by anyone who owns guns. even the 9mm fanboy and 10mm is god guys would love a good 4" 686
I went the Ruger gp100 in 357 back in the day. Ive loved it ever since still my fav gun
@@GunSamyuh, but they probably won't take it for edc
I learned a long time ago that a .357’s accuracy, expansion and fragmentation is what makes it uber deadly. That is what I have by my bed and in the bathroom, lol.
Well dang, I thought I was the only person that kept a gun in the bathroom. I can’t think of a more vulnerable place to be than on the pot if someone broke in. 👍🏻
I was VERY confident in my abiblity with a S&W K or L frame with 125gr HP Winchesters. There is zero justification for 17 rds x 34 backup rounds. Learn to put rounds where they count and you won't need 6 much less 17.
Wow, I definitely don't want to walk in on you accidentally while you're taking a shit!
I had always heard that .357 magnum needed velocity to work properly. Your test showed the difference in velocity makes.
Velocity has always been the key to making handguns bullets more effective. Bullet construction is just as important. I avoid "bonded" handgun ammo, to me that translates to "Our ammo may or may not work, probably not but it'll punch through thin metal plate and impress the zero experience testers at the FBI.
I do believe this load was commonly referred to as the "trooper". I don't know if it's true but people who have actually had to use it say it was like hitting the assailant with a bolt of lightning 🤔😳
I found a 50 round box of these rounds at my local academy. I’m excited to try them out in my ruger GP100
What was academy charging?
@@joshuagibson2520 $40
@@surgeyibrahimovic5013 hell yeah. Thanks.
I paid $42 for my last box of 357 from Big5 a few days ago.
Very good shooting 75 yards 3 out of 5, 4" barrel, factory ammo. Thank you, well done.
I found a box of Remington 125 grain jacketed hollow points from the 80's at a gun show .. they are hot AF .. much more than any other supposedly full house .357 ammo I have.. side note I'm shooting them from a 5 inch barrel...
My favorite round of all time!!!!
For in a .357, this is it. Most times, its the best for stopping the bad guy or bad girl...
I don't hit or shoot women.
My favorite round for destroying water jugs.
Always keep some in “strategic reserve”
Splodes them nice and good don't they? Lol
I started my career in law enforcement with the beloved 357 magnum revolver. And I used Federal 125grain SJHP .
I then swapped to a1911 45. And then to a Sig 357sig. And still carrying it to this date. With the proper Ammo like Underwood 125gr bonded jacketed hollow point, it not only matches the 357 magnum, but will even surpass it.
Great video!!
Keep the 357magnum videos coming.
Thanks!
I love my 357 Sig Glock 32. A brilliant balance of power and capacity.
That was a hell of a grouping with the 605 at 5 yd double action only on that target
Yeah, I was surprised. I pay little attention when i'm filming, but in editing i'm like "nice".
The Remington 125 sjhp is a great round, i also like the old fbi load of a 158 grain swc...
THAT 4" BARREL MAKES A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE. GOOD SHOOTING!
Thank you.
Good shooting! I carried this round on duty in the 1980s and it is everything you need from a handgun.
Thank you.
Good to hear about the 96%. I've thought for a long time that those were the best value SD round.
This might be your best work yet. You pulled out and demonstrated all the key points to this load. I am not a fan of most stopping power theories or data streams. Yet there is virtually no argument that this old school 125gr Remington load is as close to magical in stopping power as you can get in a handgun. And while the 357 SIG is claimed to replicate the Remington load, it does not in both bullet and velocity (well... it may match velocity in a Buffalo Bore round but that's all). You also nailed the other key point. The darned load is super easy to shoot (in the outdoors anyway as it's magnum loud) and easy to shoot well. So add it all up and you get a super load that most anybody can shoot well. I am speaking specifically of the 4" barreled revolver. Street cred = Remington 125gr JHP 357 magnum.
Thank you, unplanned as well. Found it at my local shop, got some and went right away the same day and tested it.
I absolutely love a 357mag. As far as I'm concerned it can't be beat but that's just my opinion.
As Sam pointed out, velocity is a major player in terminal ballistics as is energy. When you increase these factors with bullets designed for the demands, you get greater effectiveness. Just compare a 150 gr 30-06 at 2900 FPS to a 158 gr 38 Special at 900 FPS. The 38 is actually slightly larger and heavier than the 30-06. The one significant difference is velocity which generates energy. If it can be applied effectively, more is better.
Great review. That's the ammo my grandpa carried as a Special Deputy / Animal Control. If he had no Animal Control calls he would serve warrants, extraditions,etc. He put down a very large angus rabbid bull that broke down a fence and killed 2 of the horses in the neighbors field after ramming them many times. 1 shot. Done. Best ammo ever!
Shoot it again Sam! Paul Harrell says it why buy the hype ammo when Green and White box does the job at a better price. Excellent shooting and presentation. A 4 inch revolver in .357 mag or .38 Spl will do. Thanks to you I have both now. ♠️🎩☯️
Thanks.
Classic old school stuff that works. These or the Federals were my off duty carry ammo for years in my SP-101. Hard to beat. This load confounded the FBI in their tests. It often would not penetrate their 12c minimum, so it got a wounding value of "zero", which was cleay contradicted by actual street results. An additional benefit was a reduced likelihood of over-penetration. And we see the accuracy is quite good. I started my career with my 686, and i still love it. Last handgun i would ever sell.
The FBI has zero and less credibility with me. I've been on more shooting scenes, working them start to finish, then testifying in court. That alone is more than the entire FBI does as an agency in a year or 5 years.
The Border Patrol has more shootings a year than all Federal agencies combined. The BP says 10" of penetration is great plenty and they've been trying to get the FBI to change. But the Kings of Arrogance refuse to listen to the experienced people actually doing the work and getting dirty.
So the FBI dismisses the BP actual shooting results and clings to their bogus BS of needing 12" min penetration blah, blah blah blah..!! What's truly truly sad is the so-called "ballistics experts" in the civilian world who cling to the FBI mantra like a distraught ex-boyfriend begging his wife/g-friend to not leave. Its really sickening to me to see this.
But when you have guys who are general practice dentists masquerading as "ballistics experts". getting the zero experience shooters to believe them, its like trying to drain the swamp of irrelevant BS. Its these same bogus experts that vehemently attack people who do the hard work of collecting actual reports, interviews to bring the real true of the street to average Joe Shooter so he can make an informed decision on ammo. Those 'experts" aren't worth the effort to spit on.
This is the round I carry in my 4" GP100 and want to carry in my 2.25" SP101, but due to the FBI min of 12" I'm not sure if it's good in the snubby. If the real world results from snubbies are good, then I'll happily carry it! One round for both guns would be perfect.
As far as i know, they expand a bit less and penetrate a bit more from snubbies. In testing i have seen, the Rem bullet seems to fragment much less now, and it mushrooms well
Paul Harrell did a velocity test with the Remington 125gr 357 Magnum SJHP with a Ruger Security Six 4” barrel in his 357 Magnum vs 9mm video. He got an average velocity of 1470 FPS and all his shot numbers were more consistent.
I have those in my 5 inch GP 100 ..they really cook out of the longer barrel ..I've dispatched wild hogs with these .. its lights out.. truly devastating round ..
Carrying the 605 with .357. To me I feel confident. Good video.
Some things are just naturally perfect together...357 magnum and a 4 inch barrel revolver are two of those things..6 inch barrel even better but those are tougher to conceal.
Even in the snubby that performance is impressive. Very good expansion & 11-12 inches is very acceptable for civilian personal defense! Great video!
Still on my list . Shot placement is 99% of the fight.
I like your tests, this is definitely a good round in a 3’ or 4" gun. I’m not a .357 snubby shooter, and I really prefer 158gr ammo, but this is good defensive ammo. Thanks for your efforts to show us your results.
Thanks for watching.
The Original Magnum is still the most effective, and versatile, while also offering fight stopping power with manageable recoil.
I am a Reloader of the 357.
My "clone" of the Remington 125 JHP is the XTP 125gn bullet on top of 6.8 grains of Bullseye and 7.8 grains of Unique. I am using a Traditions G2 in 357. This is a single shot Break action with a 22 inch Barrel. a 3x9x40 scope on top.
I load for 3 shots touching.
Hit a groundhog at 85 yards with the Rem 125 round.
The hit was just behind the shoulder, the critter kinda Blew Up, one half went one way and the back half went the other.
I have this thing about Rifle and Revolver using the same ammo. What I Load for the rifle is a bit stiffer than for the Revolver, 4 inch SS 5 shot.
For the 357 Magnum the word just has to be Vercility.
All 38sp can be used, 110 - 125 grain JHP for Self Defence, 130 - 180 grain bullets will put food on the table. Pretty much any Gun Shop will have 357 ammo so it's pretty easy to get. Today 357 ammo is selling for $1.25 - $1,50 a round. My handload, 158 gn Hard Cast Semi Wadcutter, this is my Deer Load for my Rifle. works out to .29 cents, XTP bullet bumps the cost up .11 cents, still better than store bought.
Looks devastating! Thanks👍!
Great review. I carried those as an LEO in my Colt Trooper. Great round.
Thanks
I love your videos! So informative and presented in an understandable and interesting way. The right balance of action and commentary brought to you by a guy you can tell you’d love to have a beer with. You are an asset to the guntube and fast becoming my favorite. I’m a diehard semi auto guy but now I’m shopping for a 686+. Thank you, sir, for all that you do.
One of those from a Model 66 S&W , entering just below the left eye, is indeed a one shot stopper. Real world experience.
I'll bet it is.
I regret that it's taken me so long to get to this video. .357 magnum is my favorite round, especially the Remington variety for all of the reasons that you pointed out. Since the striker-fired guns became the choice of most police departments, regardless of caliber, I don't think we will see much data on one-shot stops. They make firing multiple rounds just too easy and quick. We have all seen stories about officers who don't stop shooting when the criminal falls. We also see security films of civilians who continue to shoot as a robber is running away. Legal problems soon follow.
Outstanding! This is my carry load. Controllable recoil, outstanding expansion with the bonus of fragmentation and very accurate. Nothing instills more confidence than having this loaded in your gun.
Those rounds look great and your shooting was top notch. You’re making me want to buy a couple boxes.
Thanks.
It’s always been one of my favorite loads, thanks for sharing.
I love my revolvers. So much more durable in the long run. I can load it, put it in my nightstand, and 10 years later pull it out if needed and know it will work. Not so wig my semi-auto pistols. I always think that if you take both and place them on a table, unloaded, and given a box of shells, then told to load and put 5 shots on target, the revolver will always win. With a revolver you always know you have a limited number of rounds and will make shot placement a pressing priority. Liked your headshot from 50 yds out.
I have a 686-6 S&W 2.5 barrel thanks for posting this it gives me a good reference
Great video as always. I just bought some of these Remington UMC 357 Mag's and this is what I am keeping loaded. I would love to see you make some Bologna great again with the Jug-or-Not using this round.
"Damn Sam...if we are ever in a gunfight, try to remember we are on the same side!"
Nice work...great testing...& mighty fine shooting!
Thanks. As long as you aren't dating my daughter we are good!
Fantastic accuracy give you so much confidence
I read several years back that police were polled regarding their "comfort level" with the .357 Magnum revolvers when they carried them, and apparently not a single one felt they were under-gunned. Good enough for me- my Ruger SP101 3" is my EDC. Usually stocked with Speer Gold Dot 125's or the classic Federal C357B "blue box" rounds.
Gotta love a 3 incher! I prefer S&W, though.
Really good video it really shows us how well the 357 magnum does
I loved this video Sam! I carried a smith model 66 for half of my LE career and we carried those exact bullets. I am now 71 and carry nothing but Buffalo Bore ammo as I want the hottest magnum rounds I can find. I would love to see the same tests with the same guns done with Buffalo Bore rounds and see if you get similar results.
Thanks. I have tested a lot of Buffalo Bore .357 Mag, so if you look at my videos and type that in, you should find it.
Great to see modern tests applied to classic rounds! Especially great to see maybe we were actually right back then. ;) Remington 125 gr SJHPs are what's in my two .357s (4" and 2 1/2"). Those are mostly "house guns" but now I'm more confident in them than ever.
Thanks for watching! I have more coming!
If you check out the Lucky Gunner clear gel ballistic test for this round, you'll get even more confirmation of its excellent performance (slow-mo really shows it). Perhaps the magic combination of softer lead, high velocity plus a small amount of fragmenting is the reason another old school round, the 115 grain 9BPLE, has such an awesome reputation as a man-stopper.
The old 158 gr. Federal Nyclad hp. Was impressive as well. Fourth edition Hornaday manual lists 1750 fps with an 18.6 gr charge of aa9,in an 8 inch barrel. This load will evaporate cinder blocks out of my snubby. 125 gr.
The classic Federal 9BPLE +p+ and the 230 gr Hydrashok I believe are right behind it.
I still carry that 230 gr Hydrashock in my 1911s. There may be something better but I don’t know about it.
@@thealsatian4232 The original 230gr Hydra-Shok for the .45 ACP was amazing. While it may not have sent fragments out in different directions outside the main wound channel the way this .357 Mag bullet did, that .45 Hydra-Shok expanded to a large diameter and went deep enough. Unfortunately, Federal tinkered with the load and the newer version of the Hydra-Shok has erratic performance. Sometimes expanding very well and other times failing to expand at all. Though the newer Federal 230gr HST performs similar(perhaps even a little better) to the original Hydra-Shok without the center post.
@@cgsimons1187 good to know. Thank you.
Damn it, I thought you had scored some of the old British Dum Dum bullets the original man stoppers.
I was thinking the same thing.
I averaged a little over 1450 FPS out of my m66-5 4". A shootout between the remington & federal could be interesting to see. I haven't seen Fed 125gr SJHP ammo in forever. Good video sam!
Great test and shooting. Appreciate that you tested in a 2" as well. Some of us have both and like to feed them the same thing. This is the load I keep in my GP100. :)
Good round. The 357 Sig really is not as fast as the 357 Remington magnum. The 357 magnum used to list at even higher velocities in the past but the ammunition manufacturers backed off the powder charges and pressures in the 90s.
As you've again demonstrated, Sam, the .357 is the best all round handgun caliber. I love it so much my EDC is a G23 with a .357Sig barrel, shooting 125gr. Cor-Bon. The .357 is the "do all" round. Good work.
I mean, I think it's a good caliber, but to be honest I can't say it's the best overall caliber simply due to felt recoil in snub nose guns. Now if we said .38/.357 as one caliber, than yes, because a good magnum in a full size gun and a good .38 in a snub is hard to beat.
Another good video. I’m glad to see the channel growing. Keep it up!!
Thanks
And one of the LOUDEST rounds.
Good shooting nothing wrong with the .357 mag. I carried it for many years on duty.
Thanks
Your shooting the 357mag 😊and Hickok45 was shooting 44mag 🥰 with the good old standard soft nose hollow points and distance 👍 . It’s going to be a good day 😁
Dude thanks. That is such a great episode. You are making my next couple of purchases so simple. Thanks again.
That UMC round is one of the hottest all round store bought round. I shoot them quite often and several have split the brass in my 686 and my blackhawk. But a very good round and surprisingly accurate very loud and very fast even in a 3 inch barrel. I just bought some new Federals 170g supposed too be hot. Gonna try them next weekend.
Not surprising. I don't even reload my Remington brass as the flare to set a bullet is too big, when it works with other brass. That indicated thinner than typical case walls.
@@GunSam So right I never use Remington brass or primers for reloading. I mentioned the new Hammer Down Federals in 357 mag. I bought a box of 20 to try. Gunshop tried to say they were to hot for a handgun so I showed him the NRA article on them. Now a 170g bullet and a advertised velocity of over 1600 fps curious to try?
My friend I still think you might enjoy the versatility of the 45 long colt. You can load light enough for a small lady or hot as a 44 mag. Theres many combinations and bullets for this round. Its so very underated and underused
My wife has a .357 with self defense rounds for her night stand protection... and holy crap she's extremely accurate with it...
Nice shooting. I recall trying Hirtenburg 158gr in a four-inch barrel. To start I shot a paper target taped to a rusty 45gal drum. Bright orange ring of flame in sunlight and it hit so hard the rust on the drum created secondary projectiles that peppered the paper from behind! It is a wonder to me how anyone can survive a shot from a round like that. For longer range I shot an old ceramic toilet bowl at 80 paces. It exploded. That was in the 1980s, but I understand the original loads used in the 1930s by Ed McGivern for his 600 yard shots were possibly hotter. Thanks for your vids!
Thanks.
They were loaded hotter back then, 357 magnum 158gr of that time 1,550 fps, today's 357 magnum 158gr 1,250 fps.
True !! As a Leo Park Ranger never feared any 2 or 4 legged Critter w/my issued S&W Mod 66 & 125 JSP REm ammo. Yep notta typo jacket soft point got it done well
Another well put together thought out video. The only thing I've ever shot with that round was a jack rabbit and it complete vaporized. We spent a half hour trying to find something like legs or ears and couldn't find anything. Thanks and as always you make learning fun
Thanks, but honestly I found this ammo at my store, ran home and tested it with no planning lol
@@GunSam you must be been subconsciously planning.😉
Every one of your video's still makes my day a little better brother!.
Thanks for watching!
I love when people say that years of hunting experiences won't help you & has nothing to do with stopping a human threat!! I've always tried different ammo/ bullets to try to get the 99.99% one shot drop in tracks on deer. It gives you a much better idea & understanding of what will work, what won't & why! Favorite deer bang flop bullet is .270win with Hornady superformance 130gr SST. Excellent information & very interesting test Sam!👍🇺🇸🤘
Thanks!
I'll keep that in mind. Just switched a Savage over to 270 Win. A buddy used a 280 Rem for years and I saw some spectacular long hits. I nearly equaled him with my trusty Ruger 77 tang safety .308 Win. :)
You upgraded your tests since I last visited. NICE.
Great video. Thanks for chronographing your ammo, and using ballistic gel and other material to show the impact and results of each round. No guessing needed you know the velocity and you see the results. Keep up your great work. I don't know of anybody else in this media platform who covers it all like you do.
Thanks!
Great video.. as always. I carry underwood 120gr extreme hunter in my 357.
I read all the way through the comments and haven't seen one 9 mm Fanboy show up
Even though I do believe statistics I thought the 158 grain at 1240 fps was the man stopper
I got a couple boxes of 38+P version, and this looks hella promising
Back in the day I carried a six inch Highway Patrolman with 125’s they worked very well in the two times I had to use them but two times with 230 hardball in a .45 worked we’ll also. One shot four times.
Out of my 30 years I did my last 14 in CSI/Crime Lab. The only "success" story I saw with .45 acp was with Cor-Bon DPX. .45 acp FMJ and even .40 with cheap HP ammo were absolute failures time after time, even at close range. I became a hard core Cor-Bon DPX believer after one homicide. I still insist on tried and true loads for the .357 Mag....110-125 HP non-bonded traditional. There's a mountain of reasons it has been the Stopper King and will continue to hold that title.
It's great to see Sam confirming the ultimate man stopper 357 test. I have seen similar results...
...using handloads for my 6'' GP100. Explosive wound cavities, etc.
I believe this is one of Sam's best...Thanks for all your time & efforts Sam.!
Thank you.
With my Ruger GP100 6" stainless + this load racoons & possums were almost ripped in half.
Honestly, I was hoping to see the water hugs blow up. Overall great video. Thank you.
Gun Sam has a video shooting the Remington HTP(same round, just nickel case) .357 where he shoots the water jugs. FYI.
Nice shooting! I sight all my handguns in from a 50 yd bench. You performed better than I can from a bench @ 50 yds. BUT, I have old tired eyes now. BTW, Remington hollow points in 230 gr 45 acp are pretty wicked as well, even under 800 fps. My favorite factory rounds. Now I can reload better expansion ammo for the 45 with Lyman Devastator molds and 8-10 bhn lead. Talk about expansion!
The debate about _'stopping power'_ ended with the 12GA shotgun! 🤣
I prefer the 10 gauge if you can handle it.
Another awesome video. Thank you for sharing it with us. 😎👍
Thank you.