BYD Seal Performance 1000 km challenge
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How much of the superthanks is Bjorn actually gonna get? I have read that Google will take 30%, and if done via the app on iOS, Apple will take another 30% on top of that 😮
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@@sadrejeb 70% to him and 30% to youtube. That's it
Just keep swimmin.. I hope it all works out for you.
If I see the charging problems, BYD is no option for me. Handshake, charging interruption, cooling desaster, ... No thank you!
not mentioning the fogging up ..
Charged a few times with mine and never had a problem with charging at rapid chargers
@@daverouthTry charging from below 20% soc, it seems that sitting at low soc then charging or discharging too quicky will build up the heat faster.
Never buy a chinese car…
Why would you if you can get an Xpeng for the same money?
Thank you for being the truth authority regarding EV's for all these years!!
The best and funny EV youtuber.
Bjorn, the battery chemistry is LFP, it can take higher temperature without degrading and won't suffer thermal runaway
Why don't you tell it to BYD engineers? I mean they should know better xD
Thanks for you, beast from East! I hope you can manage your problems and can keep doing great job! Best wishes for your family, escpecially two thumbs up for Isabell🎉😂❤
Anyone else concerned by that lowest/highest cell temperature delta? I mean, sure, a lower inlet temp than outlet, but to have some cells 23 degrees warmer than the others is a sure fire way to end up with weird degradation patterns within the pack is it not?
you can kiss your warranty goodbye if this is a feature and not a bug, this company will be cooked before anyone can get a battery replacement, maybe that's why Buffett sold all his shares in byd
Absolutely, the leaf has specific cells which degrade faster due to their location within the pack, this is not good for longevity at all
I really guess the Delta is wrong parameter reading or different sensor location , its extremely high difference if the lowest cell is only 23C it makes no sense to me . If so the internal resistance must be huge and the battery will degrade in couple of months only . Otherwise this car is a total crap .
Thanks for all your work through the years.
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Thank you very much :)
Your reviews have been incredibly helpful and entertaining. Thank you for the countless hours of great content! Looking forward to more.
Tack Björn for your testing, so helpful when going in to the EV market. Based on your excellent testing I purchased my first EV and now I am on my second EV! You are the best tester out there!
Hope this helps!🏠
Keep it up with the 1000km challenges! Because of your videos and expertise I am driving now a Tesla Model 3 Highland.
I've been enjoying your videos for a long time! Thank you so much!
Been watching since you first get the millennium falcon, keep up the good content. And all the best to you family. 😊
Send help video is now offline, hope that’s a good sign and it’s all sorted bro 🙏🏼
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Thanks for your great videos throughout the years. Good luck!
Thanks for all the reviews over the years
Not much, but there you go! All the best and good luck!
Thanks for all entertaining and informative content!
This is so much fun.
I don't have 1000km in my country. It would take like a couple round trips from border to border to do that 😂
Technically Björn often drives in 2 countries (the Sweden route like in this video) but the borders here in Nordic does not really matter... :)
1000 km would not get me very far ... barely to the northern border of the State the Territory my City is in ... ;-) So I am wondering if I need hybrid or solar ... wish there was a sporty AWD EV or hybrid campervan ... or a Subaru Outback with hybrid and room in the back!
Díky!
Been waiting for this! Thanks
This BYD Performance doesn't have a very effective cooling system for the battery because of the >20C difference between the hottest and coolest battery cells. That doesn't give me confidence in the longevity of the battery.
Yeah, that's a pretty significant temperature delta. It could either be a defect in this car, or just a design flaw somewhere.
That's a great point, the Seal was on my shortlist but not so much now.
never ever buy a chinese anything... specially something as expensive as an ev
Get a Tesla their drivetrain cooling is well balanced
Don't think it will affect longevity as BYD always keep their LFP battery at the optimal operational range of 0- 45 degrees. Battery Cell temp delta doesn't affect Longevity. As long as each cell temp is kept under 55degree c. The higher you go the more damage you do to your LFP. However the 20 degree delta does affect charging and discharging efficency. The less delta the more performance the BMS can get out of the battery pack. Thats probably why Model Y with the 60kw BYD battery can charge at 170kw, while BYD's 80kw seal can only do 150kw. Mind you Tesla does goto the extreme of pushing the battery to 59 degree, where as BYD start throttling at 45 degree c.
Thanks
Thanx for all the great content in the past years! Hope you will be able to solve the financial issues with your house.
I admire how you arrange everything with your family with two small children. I just had a second one myself and I know what you are going through. Nice that you were able to do a 1000 km challenge again!
Danke!
I like the new editing format! And I like that the "boring" middle parts are kept like the road trip videos. Thanks bjorn.
1000km challenge are great
"loading... sending data to china" 🤣
Hahahahah ikr
yep
That's really an area to explore. Our cars are easily disabled by one over the air update or hack now. Tesla could easily do it to millions of their cars with one key stroke.
@@markumbers5362 yup, same goes for our PCs, phones. I mean just look at what they did to the Tate brothers when they sent them to prison (bank accounts locked, including PayPal, social media li
Ocked, everything happened simultaneously in one morning), scary shit
All modern cars are a privacy nightmare, but id rather have my data go to the US than to china.
Overheating at 14° I wouldn't feel comfortable to charge this car in Summer right now we have a cloudy day and 26° c.
Most people don't realize how dangerous it is lithium iron phosphate batteries went hydrogen if they get too hot.
This comment is related to the already deleted (?) house video. I really hope that you got the things mentioned in the house video sorted out. I absolutely believe that a hard working smart guy, amazing dad and husband like you have earned to treat himself with a house to be a proud about. The insanely two-sided comments in that video was probably the reason that the video was taken down, and i absolutely understand that something like that is like a fuel (or electricity😉) to the haters. I absolutely hope that you can keep the house long into the future, and thats why i want to contribute towards the paying of the Idehus loan. Your content is absolutely worth the money, and i want to thank you for it.
Yes I noticed that one had gone, fingers crossed that means @Bjorn found a solution, or the extra "super thanks" have made a material difference, hoping him good luck.
Doing the job the world (we ev Fans) needs!
This is for you and your family. I hoping that you can keep you house. Thank you for all your hard work. Best Regards from neighbor contry Denmark.
I didn't see the whole vid and now its removed. What is the problem with his house?
@@patriksteffan2060 Basically he got a bunch of loans that he can't actually afford to pay.
This is the information about ITAC from BYD engineers :
When iTAC* is ”ON”: ECO mode - distributes front and rear torque according to accelerator pedal depth and different road conditions;
Normal mode - distributes front and rear torque according to accelerator pedal depth and different road conditions; Sport mode - distributes front and rear torque according to accelerator pedal depth and different road conditions; Snow mode - distributes front and rear torque according to accelerator pedal depth and different road conditions and the distribution ratio of the front axle torque will be increased to better meet the driver’s needs.
When iTAC is ”OFF”: ECO mode - economy-oriented, rear axle drive;
Normal mode - economy and power oriented, and distributes front and rear torque according to the driver’s needs;
Sport mode - power oriented, and distributes more torque to the front axle to meet the driver’s needs;
Snow mode - control stability oriented, the torque distribution of the front and rear axle pays more attention to the control stability of the vehicle and ensures the driver’s control stability.”
Where did you found this info? It does sound super redundant but kind of makes sense on what I feel driving...
@@cheitanya the info was from BYD engineers when Swedish journalists found AWD issue (which BYD later fixed).
I can't believe the amount of hate in the comments. If you only read those, you'd think the Seal performed terribly, but in reality, it outperformed many European cars that usually get nothing but praise, like the Volvo EX30, XC40, C40, Mercedes EQA, Nissan Ariya, and Smart #3 Brabus. Let's dial it back a bit, folks - this car actually did pretty well. Even Bjorn acknowledged that at the end of the video.
This one is a bratwurst as well.
Of that list only the Mercedes is European. Volvo and Smart is owned by Geely, a Chinese auto company, and from a quick search are made in China. The Nissan is Japanese.
@@jakej1837 I just knew someone pedantic would say that, completely missing the point. Okay, here are a few more EUROPEAN cars that the Seal still outperforms: VW ID3, VW Buzz, BMW i5, VW ID4, BMW iX1 xDrive30. Satisfied now, my dude?
Cause it is a Chinese EV. What do you expect? Hating China is PC and popular, why wouldn't he do that? Yep[, he got the code to more subscribers.
But in this car, your chances of being burned alive in it is there. The batteries are notorious failure points and tends to be catastrophic. You should not be in it when that happens!. How can anyone trust China made batteries?!. With your life?! No no nada, zilch, get the help away... Glad you are fine tho.
Insane that they still overheat and have issues with drivetrain control software (stuck in AWD)
Takk!
Stay strong, bro ❤ Thanks for all your great content.
Thank you for all your videos and endless useful information on EVs.
I really thought that Byd with all it's might in EV industry and it's battery's would know how to make proper cooling. Without this kind of tests and true information from you we can make much better judgement on all aspects of this and other EVs.
@@matynaty82 BYD only knows how to mass produce batteries ... That doesent make them, a good automaker. It takes more, than just bolt 4 wheels, on a wehicle...
@@Bud_Terence it sure looks like that. For average car user many of chines EV faults don't matter much. Price and looks win the game there. But for all other knowing these weaknesses can put you away from a bad decision when choosing an EV.
Tack!
The LFP will be less likely to burn out in the event of a short circuit. And it can withstand high temperatures much better than NCA/NMC lithium batteries.
The big problem with this car is the charging issue, 1/3 time it fails to charge.
Public charging or charging at home?
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I have no money to donate but I sure let all the ads run to the end. I hope that helps a little. Please do keep your house. Negociate. You and your family deserve it!
Thanks!
Haven't seen the video yet, but I assume there is a "Don't they have summer in China?" in it.
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Thank you for the time and effort for your videos. This convinced me to drive an electric car
Thanks for all the great content. Health, Family, Work mate. Best wishes
wtf that impala at @5:47 is amazing lol
Yeah, what's up with the whole Scandinavian low rider's club going by?
Obrigado por todo o conteúdo 🙏 Thank you all the videos and hard work! 🙏
If you were to limit the charging to 100kw... Would it work out better?
Thank you for your videos!
Thanks for your great work! No other sources comes close to the work you do!
Great video. If BYD roll out their own charging network then more people would consider them in Australia.
Those Low Riders 😍😍😍
10:30 is a good time for 1000km. IMO, Bjørn is right, most customers will not notice the slower charging when the battery gets hot. At least for road trips with family, the car should be charged before you are ready to leave.
There’s a dude on the BYD FB that got an upgraded cooling unit…but he lived in saudi ^^
You have big difference between min and max temp in the battery. So some cells coldgating? :) Maybe sub-optimal cooling inside of it? But doesnt look good for long term balance and longevity for the pack. Dont know how is it with tesla? Was temperature more uniform?
does BYD actually harvest error messages and other performance metrics like Apple does with their devices?
The delta between min and max bat temp is insane 😢.
Can aomeone tell me what program Bjorn is running on the iPhone? What application is that? And where does that phone plug into?
Great job. I hope BYD issues some updates and gets in touch with you. Bad efficiency because of bad software and mainly charging and cooling issues is a big no-go.
Reminds me of a trip I did in the reverse direction with a Nissan Micra ... but I had a few too many adventures and needed a loan car!
Long time watching your challenges, was waiting a lot for this one, i have a seal for 6 months now and no one ever covered this! I noticed it was overheating too quickly but figured it was a every eletric car problem.
Now do you think it is a software repair or its a bad hardware design?
Thank you for the great content!
Thants for your replay. Can you tell more about your driving habits and environment - when these problems arise?
I'd guess many owners (who doesn't use a lot of motorways or making long trips) won't understand why this is happening sometimes.
Viel Glück!
Köszönjük!
A car with thermal mismanagement, the Chinese have a long way to go, the interior is bling bling but the software is not on par with the price they sell these cars. Does this BYD can do over the air software updates to fix issues?
The electric viking th8ngs that BYD is the miracle car of the future,,,,,,i hope that he watches this episode😮 thanks bjorn for your work.
i like the batteries that BYD has but that is about it
The electric Viking always has a very extreme opinion on things - even without knowing the whole context.
@@crestas9 Yeah he is too optimistic. I even have an electric car and think they are the future.
He ended up became a China propaganda youtuber.
Can somebody sum up what happened? I’m considering to send some money as well but I need to know first how important it is
In Australia BYD is rolling out a new cable to do with this hand shaking issues on Tesla supercharges. I think the BYD does not have the 1k ohm resistor in the charge port coms pins which causes some chargers not sensing that a charge cable connection has been made.
Its not only the missing resistor they need a software update too.
Will you be checking on the charging queue's during the holliday rush?
Thanks for good ev time 😊
Keep on rocking, from your Danish neighbor.
Is the constantly changing speed in the speedometer annoying?
So what software or app are you using for battery details?thanks
Car scanner
The way you reviewing a Chinese car it’s like saying, you’re ugly, you’re smelly, you’re dirty, you’re fat, you’re short, but you are a nice guy
Great travel music Bjorn. 2:01 and 10:59 mark. I find myself cranking up my headphones, 👊👊
Good Chinese manufacturers don't sell well but this thing is doing well. World is upside down.
Can u try Seres 5?
what is the program on your phone called and how to you get it?
Car scanner runs via obd dongle
Great vid!
Looks-wise it absolutely beats the Model 3, but the thermal management and apparent software issues make it a non-starter for me.
Great video, thanks for sharing, and hang in there….👊🏻
I love your videos! You crack me up haha keep it up :-)
If you press the unlock button twice, in fast succession, then it will stop the charging.
bjorn, what is the best way to donate money to you without to much losses (tax, etc)? please enlighten us.
Yes, I would like to know that too since TH-cam takes like 30%! I wonder if GoFundMe has less fee than TH-cam.
Other people said Patreon is 8% so I joined over there yesterday.
@@flyordieinafire How I understand it, patreon is about a monthly payment. I find it too complicated for a one time payment.
Donation link directly to PayPal is the best.
Will try to do one every month but hope together we see things through
Patreon a month on and cancel and on again should take less of a cut based on other comments.
I heard Tesla's new parking update is available in Europe now, will we get a test with the highland or the lemon?
Does that particular car have a faulty cell?
BYD may have the battery tech, as proven by the performance of their batteries on Tesla EVs, but they surely need to step up their software game (battery management + UI)
As I understand from the tests with the different BYD cars here in the channel that only the BYD seal U doesn't overheat right? May be is the best car so far from BYD I mean for now..?
5:17 I can tell you that at least for some Mercedes models, pressing the unlock button on the key three times in rapid succession would stop the charging, so maybe something similar is in place for the BYD.
Unlikely
@@bjornnylandthere is button sequence for stopping it, check inside charging port
Cell temp diff always big/double. Faulty cattery pack with blocked cooling section? Thanks for all your work.......
Finally, the E6 in Sweden opens next friday, july 5th.
Ooooh, great!
Two weeks ago while charging at the Supercharger in Alta a guy with aBYD Han parked at the Ishavsveien charger there. I took a look at the car (looks really good) but the driver said, he'll never buy a BYD again, since his Han outright refuses to charge at superchargers and he demonstrated me how he needed four (!!!) tries to get the car charging. According to him, four attempts are pretty good. So that wasn't good advertisement for BYD...
isn't that your inforstructure to blame? naver had issue like this in China
@@nobodyli6543
I'd say both parties (BYD and charger producers/operators) are to blame. Imho BYD should go to relevant charger producers to smooth things out if they want to be seriously competing for the European market.
Also BYD's pricing policy is confusing: they often charge premium over Tesla competing models here in EU (example Seal RWD vs Tesla model 3HL RWD, funnily both made in China).
Bad move when we know they are minimally undercutting Tesla cars in the Chinese market but charging premium in Europe, this feels like beeing ripped off by BYD.
@@andrzejz4218 they anticipate the tariff and protect brand image, later they will reduce price when they have manufacture capacity in EU. you will experience what they are doing right now in china.
lack of proper cooling means, no (real) performance, no charging capability.....and I can't imagine how it "works" in southern Europe summer
Also imaging driving it on the EU motorways outside scandinavia. It's much warmer on average, and speed limits are often 130+ which would make this problem of poor charging and performance loss even bigger.
I hope BYD can upgrade the car and fix this problem, we REALLY need strong competition so producers don't fall asleep like what happend with ICE cars.
I wonder if charging at 100kW would have been faster overall due to lower charging current not overheating the battery.