NEW BYD Seal vs Tesla Model 3 vs VW ID.7 - best EV? | Road trip costs compared! | What Car?
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- The new Tesla Model 3 is better than ever, but is it beaten by the BYD Seal? Or does the all-new VW ID.7 get the better of both of them? We drive hundreds of miles in all three EVs to compare them in every area and crunch the numbers.
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Hi Guys,
What a phenomenal video. Thx!
A test between these three cars is awesome.
Next week I’ll get my Seal, and I’m pretty happy that I decided to this car. 😁
Seal is a great car, comes with 6 years full vehicle warranty, and an LFP battery that has a lifetime of half a million miles or more. You made a great choice!
Yes, next to the design, the LFP battery and the warranty was the reason why I have waited for. 😊
I love the Seal, V2L, Heads up, blade battery, Stalks and Autogful German channel called it's driving dynamics better than Model 3 highland. It's incredible
@@maximilianhollandvw is best
@@maximilianholland I also loved the seats in that car
And VW thinks people are not interested in buying EVs when in reality people are not interested in buying poorly designed EVs.
Tesla sells millions of them the model y is the most popular car on earth
The euro market is tiny also nobody really cares it’s about China and USA
VW is improving, but very slowly. They have a fossil problem, and in this case fossils refer to the old-school engineers designing their EVs.
They have a bit to catch up with Skoda and a long long way from Tesla
I sincerely hope vw never go to Teslas level.. because Teslas interior is lack lister and unergonomical
Not to mention so expensive!
I’ve owned a BYD Seal AWD performance in Thailand for 2 months. It cost less than a base model 3 here (if you could actually buy one). Never noticed the smell as mentioned in the video. The fit and finish is excellent with no squeaks or rattles and no panel gaps. The ride quality for a performance car is excellent. The handling and performance of my car is amazing. I’m using the bi-directional charging on the Seal to power my house - videos on my channel for the doubters.
Exactly, byd has a very good interior quality and also the right drive is messed up
@@text_inputI rather Chinese genuine leather
BYD all the way
I feel like the hosts deliberately lied about and dumbed down the BYD in this video. Notice how during the boot segment they made it a point to show that both the Tesla and the VW have "an electric tailgate". Then quietly skipped even showing this when it was the Seal's turn (around 14.50).
😮😮😮😮 power a house? No way
The same BYD Seal sells for 31k GBP here in Australia. Roughly 14.5k GBP cheaper than your price. Crazy difference.
On China Byd
Seal sells for 10k !why?
@@user-vs3ct5pi9ubecause they can
@@user-vs3ct5pi9u Articles I've seen put it much dearer than that in China?
@@user-vs3ct5pi9u bc of shipping and import tariffs that every country sets, also, since the West, lead by the USA, is trying to destroy China at all cost, that plays a big role as well. Not too long ago, Eu union, crazy Ursula Vonder!@#!@# wanted stop the import of "CHEAP" Chinese EV cars, because they were too affordable and other brands couldn't compete!
So, the price of Chinese EV cars may actually increase in the future if EU keeps following master USA orders!
@@user-vs3ct5pi9ugoverment incentive and subsidizes the car
Funny, Ive watched multiple reviews of the BYD Seal, and unanimously everyone has commented on the quality of the Seal interior. After test driving myself several times, Id never describe it as "plasticky". As a BMW driver for 15+ years, id compare it to any 3 series Ive driven before. Subjective I suppose..
True, however I learn 't as an Ex- BMW owner the quality materials didn't transgress to the mechanical systems, everything other than the cockpit was cheap as chips, poor quality, cheap plastics etc, etc. disappointing to say the least, my last BMW mechanic summed it up when I asked him why he didn't drive a BMW, he said his Vauxhall was far better quality.
@donaldduck5731 Haha, fair point. Come to think of it, I've never had a BMW (3,4, or 530e) that hasn't given me problems. Relatively new or old.
All of them are obviously tesla fans , you could tell from their enthusiasm when talking about anything Tesla
@@williamwatitwa3534 agreed, totally not an objective review
Precisely! Seen reviews in english, french, spanish and portuguese and this is the first one that gives the BYD Seal a negative review regarding interior quality.
Most of the videos grade it as having a BMW/Audi/Mercedes quality and ambience.
But hey, when 3 guys are fanboys of a certain car brand, this was bound to happen....
Seal has the lowest perceived quality?
I've been sitting in all of them, and I can only ask: what have you 3 been smoking all morning? 🤔🙄🙂
😂
Well Tesla now uses better quality materials than BYD and VW is an established brand so it is normal that the quality is better
@@m.a3914 Tesla uses better quality materials? Seriously, what are you on about?
Sure Tesla now uses more soft-touch materials, but it's all one or other type of foam. And their seats are still covered in that "vegan leather", whatever that it. It feels like very thin rubber.
Seal, on the other hand, is lined with real quality leather, nappa leather.
So seriously, what are you on about? 😆
@@RatimirRSlots of people like me dont want leather for ethical reasons. I’d prefer cloth as number 1 choice, but our vegan leather is great.
As the ID7 is almost exactly the same size as a Tesla Model S, perhaps a fairer comparison would to have compared the ID7 as a much more cost effective competitor to the BMW i5 and Mercedes EQE (and Tesla Model S if it was available as RHD).
My wife and I have both run fully electric cars since 2015 (Tesla Model S's/BMW i3's etc) so I accept that range anxiety is something in the dim and distant past for us, and that may not be the case for newer/potential BEV converts, but I wish for once that there would be a test on fully electric cars that didn't focus almost entirely efficiency and range. It seems the average UK annual mileage is under 10,000, so that's under 200 miles per week. Therefore one full charge per week in nearly every electric car on the market would be sufficient for most people, so clearly not everyone only drives long distances all the time, which is what these tests seem to be obsessed with.
There are never any normal comparative group tests on petrol/diesel cars when the focus is on, and the winner is determined almost entirely, by the mpg. MPG and other running costs almost always come at the end of normal group tests, with performance/handling/comfort/practicality being 90% of the deciding factors in determining the winner. With electric car tests these seem to account for 10%.
why do you have to be a CONVERT to just drive a bloody car you people are mental,, and all this peeing around with apps and all the other nonsense makes me laugh and when you connect all this doodah up you squeal with delight when it actually works,,,and it says only charge to 80% to save the battery so take 20% off its range automatically to get the true range???????????????????? no thanks I am not a convert
Thank you for pointing this out.
ID6 ? It won't sell.
Great statement. I would like to add the cost check to this. No one will drive to a charging point he does not know and he has no information on the costs. Paying over 80p for charging is a waste of money and you can not compare it to the TESLA using only his sponsored network.
Very good point
A few problems with the BYD representation of the fact the cars are being charged to 80% being the lithium batteries but as the Byd are using their blade battery in the Seal giving it a real life larger range as it can charge to 100% everytime and not needed to be restricted to the same as the other cars in the test
The Tesla Model 3 RW also uses BYD LFP batteries so can also be charged to 100% everytime.
In Australia, BYD Seal starting price is $14,000 less than Model 3 ($49,888 vs $63,700). Seal is a bargain here.
Ahhh mate. You should only be comparing the seal premium to the Model 3 RWD, not the dynamic.
$49,888 is before on-road. You're not even comparing the same thing.
yeah but what about charging infrastructure
@@solidsaladin121 it's still got a long way to go but we haven't had any issues charging our atto 3 on long trips
@@gabes-t The BYD Seal (Dynamic) inc on-roads in WA is $54.2k the Model 3 is $68.8k, so $14.6k more, so not far from the difference he mentioned, so your dismissive comment was incorrect
Just for your information: the Chinese company Huawei has recently launched its super fast Fusion Charge network in China. The charging time is about one second a kilometre, roughly 160 seconds or just under 3 minutes charging time for 100 miles. Best of all, unlike Tesla’s network, it opens to all EV cars.
A car dictates its maximum charge rate - provided the charger can meet it. The max the RWD Tesla can take is 170kw, if I recall the Seal can take 150kw, and no idea what the VW takes. You can then work out expected max km/s charging rate with maths based on it's real world energy usage... Bear in mind that lithium cells lower their charge rate as they fill up. And we're not taking into account the max amperage and if it's a 400v or 800v setup, and so on.. 1km/s will be in a very narrow and tightly controlled circumstance.
Not possible, would cook most batteries in cars and they would not take such a high charge anyway. 3 minutes charging time for 100 miles batteries that can charge this fast have not been invented yet.
This is a positive development, assuming they work and they deliver on that promise.
The next step is to develop batteries that can charge that quickly. It's a few years off yet, but it's coming.
Once these batteries are developed, and the chargers installed, there will be no more need to burn fossil fuels and pollute the air just to get around.
The future sometimes seems like a rather ominous proposition. But there are some good reasons to think it might be very bright.
@@AirzonesBlastersA good demonstration of the importance of the charging curve is Bjørn Nyland's 1,000 km Challenge videos.
These are the benchmark for evaluating EV road trip performance. I recommend them.
Thanks for the info! Havent known about this
My next door neighbour just received his BYD Seal, it looks and feels awesome. He had a Tesla 3 before but change to this and said he never regretted it. Fully loaded as most stuff comes as standard.
The main issue is not the cars at all, but the need for a common standard for re-charging facilities with some kind of additional control of maximum re-charging prices. The differences are absurd.
So relatable, so logical and sensible. Everything said and shown was unbiased and practical.
Hopefully one day this test will be repeated with a Long Range Model 3 which would be closer to the other 2 in terms of price as well. Great job you guys!
Thanks for the video, great comparison! For the biggest part of the world they use KM's for the range. Maybe a small KM figure next to miles increases your viewer potential? In the video is a small typo. When you compare the ranges @ 22.00 min the Model 3 price is not correct.
I do not understand how regulators are allowing the removal of the indicator as it is very difficult to use in a roundabout. Loads of them in my country unlike in the US.
have you actually tried it (for more than one roundabout) yourself? I have it since a few weeks and it took maybe 10 roundabouts to completely forget about it. And, if you still don't like it, there are retrofits available.
@@RaphaelJeger excellent news ! Saddly the non availability of HUD on Tesla is a show stopper for. I had cars with HUD since 2005. (currently have a Jaguar i-Pace). I believe it even more important for EVs to be equipped with HUD as one can easily go over speed limit in town without noticing.
@@marcbungener1877 I drive Teslas since 2014 and the lack of a HUD has never been the reason for my tickets ;-) And if you want, you can activate visual and / or audible alerts when going over the limit, and you can decide the offset. And even for this, there are retrofits.
@@RaphaelJegerI’ve read others say they stopped indicating when exiting roundabouts because of it. Confused.
@@newbris possible, but also quite possibly a good excuse for people that didn't indicate in the first place
They put a screen in the back of the Tesla that most will probably never use and left out the instrument cluster.
Lets make sense of this?
Another thing to mention when using Apple Car on the BYD is that it's quite a work-around to change the temperature or fan speed (if not with voice control) because of switching apps.
Good video & thanks. Clearly the Tesla is the RWD version. It'd be interesting to see the BYD against the Dual Motor version in the future. The prices would be similar too (I think)
The Tesla Dual Motor has 70 miles more range than the RWD (due to the bigger battery, but only 65 kg more weight) while the Seal AWD has 30 miles less range than the RWD (same battery, 130 kg more weight, less efficiency). So, if you don't care about the crazy power, the RWD Seal is probably the better choice.
On paper, that’s all true. I was more wondering about journey times which would need to include charging. The RWD Tesla is faster charging than the AWD version. Would it be faster than the BYD with its longer range, or not?
@@SilverfoxThe The RWD Model 3 needs a few minutes less for the same SOC%, but the LR AWD puts more energy over the same time due to higher power level.
@@SilverfoxTheFor a good comparison of total trip times, see Bjørn Nyland's 1,000 km Challenge.
He has tested several versions of Model 3 (the road trip champion). I don't know if he has tested the Seal yet, but I'm sure he will. He's based in Norway and has tested just about every EV being sold in Europe including several Chinese made cars.
In each video, at the end of the trip just after the countdown, he shows a portion of his spreadsheet where you can see several models compared.
In my estimation, it's the most valuable EV evaluation resource on the Internet.
@@davidmenasco5743
I know that engineers working at those manufactures are also really interested in his videoa
I would go for the Seal looks very good, Tesla looks very bland and I would hate the lack of stalks, the VW also a bit bland and staid looking.
Yes the supercharger network is a big plus, but 90% of my charging is at home and when I do use public charging I find it easy enough, so the Seal for me.
Great video, although the id7 is out of place as its not only a bigger car (too big for my driving and roads) but far too expensive at 15k more than the Tesla. Problem I have is driving for nearly 50years there is no way I could live without the indicator stalk. On one of my regular 20 mile drives there are 10 big roundabouts (not mini) where your hands will be crossed when indicating for your exit. I suspect Tesla owners will not bother to indicate most of the time and just hope the rest of us give them enough room. Should never have been given type approval!
So imagine they would have compared to a model S. It would have sucked even more.
If you have to have it you can buy an inexpensive aftermarket add on stalk. Try getting used to the new system 1st though.
just go and try it yourself. It's in fact super easy - you only every blink in one direction to exit a roundabout, which is simply the lower key when the yoke / wheel is turned 180 degrees. And you can feel the button cleary thanks to a small "bump".
In my country (Germany) the difference between the ID.7 is even smaller. A full spec Model 3 RWD is ~51k€ (7,5k extras), while a nearly full ID7 is 60k€ (8k extras). When talking leasing, the ID.7 is 200€/month cheaper (at the OEM bank) [700 to 500]. Another really big factor is the discount that a local VW dealer can give you.
In the end, I think it's fair to say, that the ID7 and the Model 3 RWD is comparable in terms of price and therefore, this video deserves its place. Comparing the ID7 to an EQE, Model S or similar would be totally unfair, since these cars cost way more with a bit of extras (and are also way better).
No indicator stalk and no infront speedo and no off screen gearshift means a big fat NO !!
Any reason you didnt go with the BYD Seal Performance? Comparable range or price point?
BYD seal interior is just OK? Wow, you have a very high standard!
but it looks like less space
I don't even get that part of a car review anymore hahaha unless it's a very cheap car
Much better then tesla
That’s what I was thinking, they ripped the Seal to shreds but the people I know that have seen the Seal and new Model 3 prefer the Seal interior to the Model 3?
@@dzonikg no
One aspect these tests are always overlooking ; is the EV a proprietary, fully integrated vehicle ? Do all of the EVs components communicate through a central computer to create a seamless experience ? To BYD’s credit , it is a partially integrated EV, the VW - not even close, the Tesla you can give voice commands to about half its functions, receive software updates OTA, and control many abilities on your phone app. , it is simply in its own league.
BYD vehicles have voice control functionality, OTA as well as its own BYD vehicle app for the vehicle. Let's not forget Apple carplay and Android auto, too, as well as the vehicle to load capability
@@Peter-vn8ue , but how many components come from outsourced suppliers that write their own software ?
@@shepherdsknoll BYD is even more vertically integrated than Tesla as they make their own chips etc. We have an Atto 3 and although overall it's a great car and we're happy with it, the voice control is a bit hit and miss, especially in regard to navigation
In China, BYD's intelligent system is not the best, the best car intelligent system is Huawei's car, such as Changan cooperation avatr
@@geoffsemon7411 Agreed, they own 1/6 of the lithium mines in the world.
Great review.
What is your cost of electricity at home for home charging ?
great video, but I think you should've done a comparison between the similar models top trim to top trim or most range to most range because you compared the most range trim the seal have to the least range trim the model 3 have.
also it would have been awesome if the data was more comprehensive like what was the length on the test track the cars have done and total kWh like in the road trip weather conditions etc.
other then that it was a great and informative test
Thanks for the review guys. Maybe the car that will knock the M3 off the top position will be the MY Juniper version out mid to late next year. This is what I'm waiting for.
The VW is so outclassed here. Something I never thought I’d say.
I saw some other reviews of the ID 7 and there the efficiency was quite impressive, even when they drove faster on the Autobahn in low temperatures (below 0°C). So I was a bit confused about the high energy consumption.
@@flixm9928 Thought the same thing. The numbers shown here for the ID7 are worse than what I get with my ID5, and that has the old, supposedly much less efficient powertrain
@@flixm9928 you can buy an optional heatpump. i'm quite sure the model in the video has no heatpump while the one on the Autobahn has one
I thought the VW ID7 was the most practical with its hatchback boot, but the price is crazy, the efficiency is disappointing and the infotainment and ergonomics still need more work.
They tested the ID.7 without the (cheap) heat pump option - things would have looked very different if they had included this option that most buyers will get.
Excellent video! The analysis of efficiency and cost at the end was perfectly thorough and informative. Thank you!
ID.7 with/without heat pump? Does it have the new, more efficient engine or the regular 150 kW one? I think the ID.7 is a little more premium than the other cars shown here tbh
The Id7 is absolutely in a different league. The suspension, size and interior makes it almost a rival to the I5 or EQE… comparing it to the model 3 is a bit senseless…
I personally prefer the smaller limousine size like a 3 series, c-class, A4 or tesla model 3 since these cars tend to be more dynamic and fun but comparing them to larger limousines isnt really worthwhile / fair since larger limousines do focus on interior space and comfortable cruising
Yes ID7 has the new AP550 motor 210 kW, 545 Nm.
I have had a Telsa M3 LR in Australia for over 2 years now and love it, my main requirement above all else when buying an EV back then as it still would be today is NO FAFFING ABOUT.
Idc if the screen rotates in the BYD i just want the easiest EV experience possible and for roadtrips thats Telsa end of story.
I wouldn't even buy an EV if i could not charge at home which seems to be an issue for you there in the UK with terraced houses.
Lots of fog and crappy weather.
This island can truly *SUCK* 😢
Your *sUn* 🌞 and weather conditions there are perfect for solar panels 👌
@icosthop9998 it is, I have had 6kw solar since 2010 still pumps out 4.5kw and I charge exclusively with that.
Still people in Australia complain EVs are no good because our country is to big, ignoring the fact no one really travels any further than they would in the UK, and if they do regularly well don't buy an EV.
Exactly, its weird how so many people lack the ability to think for them selfs @sr20trx
UK is considered an Island.
The once *Mighty GREAT BRiTAIN* is no more.
The only comfort is that everything is going downhill all over the world.
I don't know why, but i'm glad the BYD did not "Clean House".
The Tesla SUPER chargers gives Tesla another nice edge in The World of EV. Even though they charge other car companies more than they do their own for using Tesla Chargers.
The Tesla chargers still undercut the other charging companies prices, and it was very easy to download the Tesla app.
Those electric costs are shocking. I have just calculated my 330e doing a similar mileage (600 miles) costs me about £38 in petrol and electricity, based on my actual driving in November, which meant all my journeys were over 100 miles. The opportunism of electric charging companies to rip us off has already started and you know it will only be going one way. The old "Electric cars will cost virtually nothing to run" canard is well and truly dead even before mass adoption. Will the government regulate electric car charging station costs? Hmmmm
Also, Tesla - indicator buttons one above the other on the steering wheel? Are you completely batshit insane?!
Genuine and balanced review. Best I have watched lately. Great job guys!
Model 3 was on 19''wheels without aero covers. Efficiency and range are even higher with 18'' wheels so more juice there!
I definitely will be buying the updated version of the Model 3 at tax time 2024. The improved styling on the outside and all the things you can't see on the inside that make the Model 3 ride smoother and quieter as well as handle better. Tesla has just consistently improved at building cars and for me it's time to buy my first electric car. I am driving my last ICE Car now with Solar on my roof and battery storage I can charge with the Sun and never buy gas again!
Yes. Much better than the earlier comparative review against the MG4 where they went all wrong on the charging of the MG.
Interesting that the Tesla still wins this by quite a margin.
I would say, however, that they understated the importance of the lack of indicator stalk on the Tesla. I believe you'll be able to buy a retrofit one but that's a heck of a faff when installing a proper indicator stalk should be an option when you buy the car.
ID.7 possibly having no heat pump would be a larger factor though.
I have seen many reviews where the driver say a lack of stalks I snot an issue and you soon adapt to it.
If it is an issue for people then they can buy the S3XY stalks from the same enauto who make the S3XY buttons and they are easy to install and no fuss at all!@@londonwestman1
The whole wheel size is absurd. Yes, 20" looks nice, but for those 30 seconds as you approach the car, you pay with 15% range penalty, comfort and vulnerability to tire failure.
Interesting video. I know it wouldn't be feasible but It would be interesting to make the same trip with the same cars in three years time to see what battery degradation and depreciation has occurred. Also to see if there is a better charging network.
degradation on new batteries is very minimal. You should worry about the engine on a gas car dying in 12 years.
@@Notme-tq4xsYeah, that’s a lie. Engines don’t fail in 12 years. Such a small percentage fail due to owners skipping maintenance. Yet, all HV batteries will fail around 12 years and cost way more than ICE maintenance. Plus the drive units are failing at a higher rate than engines, and many have 2 drive units at around $7k replacement each. ICE is more reliable and lower total cost of ownership. That’s the actual data, despite the emotions of the far lefties.
19.10 this is what’s hurting EV acceptance. Charge points not working, demanding cumbersome payment methods with stupid apps etc etc. Why does it need to be so difficult anno 2023. Just charge and pay with your bank card/phone and forget all the marketing BS of gathering data etc.
Imagine how Italians must feel with their network of petrol stations that only accept brand cards.
Also being massively overpriced, subject to catastrophic depreciation, battery degradation, unreliability, higher insurance etc etc.
@@FirstLast-rh9jwThanks for the FUD, but no thanks.
@@davidmenasco5743only low IQ stock "traders" call everything they don't want to hear FUD
@@sargfowler9603 is that for real? Where?
I just ordered the new Model 3 RWD in Red with 19s! Great to see it doing so well in the real world - I chose it vs the Polestar 2 and the BMW i4 because of the efficiency combined with class leading tech and of course the supercharging network.
Not having to use my phone to find a charger is a really nice advantage along with the confidence that the chargers will work and be available.
Also I think this new look makes it the best looking car in the segment.
That ID7 price is totally nuts...at that price you would just get an i4 if you didn't want to get into a Tesla...?
I don't use my phone to find a charger either, but then again its a diesel.
@@FirstLast-rh9jw EV owners do the majority of their charging at home, it's super cheap and more convenient than buying gas every 1-2 weeks.
@@FirstLast-rh9jw Well actually you still need to actively look for a gas station, Tesla's do that automatically
@@FirstLast-rh9jw You can still use your phone to find out nearby fuel station.
The BMW is premium the Tesla isn’t.
Great vid, here's a comparison I did almost exactly the same mileage in my old Volvo XC60 2.4 diesel, 559 miles for work to Scotland and back... cost me £71 @£1.40pl
The BYD seal provides biggest bang for your buck. Looks damn good from the outside and i am a big fan of both the screens inside.
more expensive and worse in every aspect as a model 3?
@@bobteerlinck637 Tesla cant even assemble a car properly.. most Tesla headlights are blinding on coming Trafic, unless you adjust the headlights after each update , known faults like this is only accepted by Tesla fan boys like your self..
@@bobteerlinck637take a nap and watch the video again bro, each car here has its pros and cons, VW with mostly conns 😂
@@martinmoeller123 Keep crying. The tesla crushed both competitors in this test and it wasnt even close
@@spacebound1969 I doubt you are even old enough to have a licens...
With the added benefit of Tesla superchargers... Tesla is unbeatable. Crazy the new model 3 is the cheapest car as well.
Tesla is the Best, cheapest, most efficient, safest EV to buy on the market.
if it is a hatchback car it would be the best (probably next model 3 gen will be a hatchback %100 )
@@user-jz7tr8zb5hErm, you have the Model Y for that..
Indeed the cheapest with missing...
Radar
Parking Sensor
Matrix LED
Headup
Rain Sensor... Vision Only is not working
Android Auto,
Capacitive steering wheel
etc.
... And I could name at least 15 Things missing in a Tesla, which you could not buy even if you would like to spent the money.
If the ID7 would be that poor featured...Business Customers would kill VW...and if it would exist, it would be similar priced to the poor Tesla
@@josefv8708 Radar... humans also don't have a radar and it works pretty well with 2 eyes. So I think the vision only solution technically can work in the future. BTW even with vision only, the Tesla's Autopilot is 100x better than BYD seals system.
Parking sensor... Tesla is developing a virtual projection of the world around the car (essentially mapping the world to use that info then in other Teslas for fully autonomous driving in the future). Yes that fully integrated system is some time away but I think is the right approach for future proofing a vehicle/a fleet of vehicles. Can see that some customers though buy a car for the here and now.
Matrix LED... well, every Tesla Model 3 and Y just got it overnight via software update - so did not age well ;) FOR FREE too.
Headup... personal preference, but Teslas design does not account for that. Tesla wants unimpeded driving view/focus. If you want one, then unfortunately you have to look elsewhere. Can't see the HUD with polarized glasses anyways and adds cost to vehicle manufacture. I think entry level BYD also does not have it.
Rain Sensor... got miles better with some updates in the last month or so. Also rain sensor in some other car companies also don't work 100% accurately
Android Auto... don't need that as Teslas infotainment is miles better, has Google maps and other Apps like Spotify, Apple Music, Podcasts.. integrated natively
Capacitive steering wheel... don't know what that would be useful for and I think BYD also does not have that
So, personally I can very well live without a headup display, Android Auto and capacitive steering wheel, and am happy that the price of the Tesla is the lowest one of the bunch too!
Here in Bangkok I see many BYD cars and Tesla Model 3 and Model Y.
Tough call. Love the BYD especially the 3.8s model. Great looks. Saw the new Model 3 Highland and it is just much better looking in the metal.. Model 3 for me.
Tesla is pure Garbage here in California. Volkswagen will soon take a share of the market with a high quality precisely engineered suspension with much better ride quality then Tesla which many feel is a cheap product.
Dont you have charging cards in the uk that Work on all Chargers (Shell, ChargePoint) ?
Well done guys ! A very good (and usefull) video. Thanks.
I notice the Tesla you used had the 19" Nova wheel package with a WLTP range of 318mi - sticking with the 18" Photon wheel and aero covers provides 8% more efficiency / 8% more range to 344 miles, that would translate to a 230mile range on the test track.
Test track running at what speed, 90mph?
My diesel has a 700 mile range.🤔
Bore off James, electric cars are not for you.😂
@@jasonsaddington7821 The hellscape of lithium thermal runaway.... and your house burning down🔥
Don't have home charger so not applicable to me👍
As well in the United States accepting non teslas too, I have a model 3 for two months and I love it ❤😅
Hi. Great spot, very informative.
Is the tela model 3 SR or LR? the range measured was the range you measured or the figures the cars provided?
Based off the stated 170kW charging speed, this is the base Model 3 with LFP batteries. Long Range charges at up to 250kW. If they used a Long Range Model 3, this comparison wouldn't even be close.
It’s amazing how good the base Teslas are…model 3 or Y
Great test! To be honest the Tesla has one big problem = missing radar and parking sensors .... and totally unreliable Tesla Vision... Try travel assist in Tesla during wrong weather at night on highway and you will see :-) Try put some box during parking at home, try auto-parking pilot in Tesla and you will see... Assistances based on Tesla Vision don't work correctly and are not safe.. Even basic Kona or ID3 or Megane or 2008 can more :-) The ID7 is larger car than T3, it is competitor of Tesla S. And last thing :-) - The battery maintenance - statistically after 10 years one or more battery cells will fail(low voltage). The Tesla can't change module, you have to buy and change whole battery pack. For ID7 you can change module (with wrong cell) for about 1000 Euros.. If you consider the battery pack of Tesla is made of common steel and is not good quality (older Tesla S have water leaks) then you would choose ID7 with Alu battery pack with double cover and with very strong Alu box of modules.. But yes many people buy car for maximum five years - is it eco? :-)
On my company scheme the Tesla is more than £200 more a month than the BYD. The Skoda equivalents are also similar priced. Also no mention that the Tesla has no CarPlay or I missed it.
CarPlay is not needed in a Tesla as it doesn't provide any value to the overall UI experience
Big thanks for this one!🙏 BYD rwd in black looks stunning-both out and inside. My choice🇸🇪
Kom igen mannen. Polestar 3 eller 4 måste man välja ❤
Great content thanks. Although two comments. 1. Tesla has the long range version too. I don not know the price in the UK, but should be around the Seal. 2. Tesla did not have the most efficient wheels during the test. The wheels you had on the car is more expensive and less efficient. Greetings from Hungary
Thanks for your efforts. A really needed video.
why don't you mention that you use the non long range Tesla with the non aero wheels (adding cost and reducing range)?
I am non Tesla owning EV driver (2 EV family). WE are now Tesla members and enjoy charging for a fair price! RIP off pricing from ALL other networks. A no-brainer.
great well rounded video that shows it not always just about sticker price
Hello guys, thanks for great test 👍🏻
great review. So morale of the story is that use a tank of fuel for £60 or get a tesla. Those charging costs for VW and BYD are disturbing
Here in Western Australia we're lucky as we never use DC charging always charging at home Super Off Peak and paying 8c/kWHr on AC. This is also offset by solar when sunny so really, it costs virtually nothing for us to charge. If we did have to go on a long trip and use DC charging, I think it's around 60c/kWHr.
Yup. Just buy a Tesla.
Not really, as most EV users very rarely need to use public chargers if they have somewhere to charge at home.
Only 10% of EVs consumers recharges out of home.
There are so many more important parameters than public charger cost since I would charge at home like 99% of the time.
i sat on the Seal interior quality way better than the plastic model 3. Hud is default for all cars and so is good hifi system.
I’m 5yrs into my model S and still love it. (Free supercharging also) just bought a model 3 for my wife and she loves hers. If no right hand drive model S coming I will be buying a new face lift model 3. You JUST can underestimate how good the supercharging Tesla network is! I have driven all around Europe 4 times now and never had a problem finding or charging on the Tesla network.
Hi guys.
Amazing work!!!
You should test the new model y vs new model 3.
Thanks
I've already ordered the model 3 RWD with the aero 18s, I can't wait. Great video, feeling more confident in my choice. The supercharger network swayed my decision, I do long journeys for work, and finding a random, expensive charger in an unfamiliar area isnt something I want to do regularly.
with the byd you can drive 60 miles more than the tesla that's about 1 extra hour of driving
@tonypaca3015 This is true, but it doesn't have full access to that supercharger network.
Also, it's a company car, and BYD wasn't on the list of available cars when I was choosing.
You made the right choice IMO. I've a 2017 model S from new and done 113k so far saving about £2-3k a year in fuel costs. I've put that car through hell and back and it's handled it all like a champ.
You will love the Tesla. They do everything so well.
Currently have a 2020 Model 3, considering upgrading to a new 2024 Highland Model 3.
Did the ID.7 have the heat pump fitted? I guess not. If it did, the results were quite disappointing.
Very likely not. It appears quite biased to me that they condemn the ID.7 so hard for its efficiency even though things would look dramatically different with heat pump - an option that most buyers will definitely get.
But at £55k not having a HP is unforgivable from VW.@@Objectivity_Matters
These guys tested this in a different TH-cam and tested the VW both with and without heat pump and the difference was minimum and they concluded they said it didn't justify the price difference. @@adamcole4808
Awesome comparison, thank you very much.
Cheers friends! Thank you for your very nice work!
Ps. Tesla charger locations are built into the SATNAV (I know you showed this) but it makes long journeys so very easy and so very cheap. Even buying a used Tesla (as mine is) with older battery tech is way ahead in cost of ownership compared to others.
Many non teslas have a built in route planner so nothing truly unique anymore.
@@CyAn-S well all EV’s are a step in the right direction.
@@CyAn-S True, but what people also tend to forget is the ease of use of those superchargers if you have a Tesla. You drive up to them, get out, grab the charging cable, press a button on the cable to open the charge port on your car (!) and just plug it in.
Wait a few seconds for the charge indicator on your car to turn from blue to green and that´s it. No matter what country you´re in, as long as they have a sufficient amount of those stations you are basically set to go.
The charging station recognizes your car as a Tesla, recognizes which car it is and automatically feeds the charging info to your phone app and charges the associated bank account.
There´s literally nothing easier than this. You also get notifications once the car comes close to reaching its set charge limit and fo course once its done. Unplug the car, close the charge port and off you go again.
@@robertmandl9326 THIS^^^^^^^
I popped over to France, Belgium, Netherlands a couple of weeks ago. Arrived at the hotel to find an EV charge point which I hadn't planned on but figured I would try to use for convenience. I didn't need it but figured it was there. Neither of the typical two RFID cards were accepted so I tried three apps, one wanted a Belgian address, the other failed to create a new account and the third signed up but wouldn't work as a virtual card. As a techie, I found this ridiculous that an hour later, someone with technical competence couldn't get this to work. In the end I just gave up and figured i'd use the Tesla Supercharger the next morning, just up the road as was the original plan. Stayed on Tesla thereafter. THIS is the difference between Tesla and others, it's all integrated and just works.
Ps even my humble ID.3 has a satnav with charger locations .... Including Tesla chargers that are open for other brands
great comparison thank you guys ! but I think driving dynamics comparison is more important than costs for me ! Please if possible tell us handling, cornering, braking etc. comparison about these cars
If you like this kind of stuff, wait until next year when Tesla releases Model 3 Plaid that will do just over 2 secs 0 to 60, under 10s 1/4 mile with brakes performance better than the latest 992 generation Porsche 911.
@@borinvlogs Brake performance is a matter of physics and legislation (i.e. road legal tires) at this point. I seriously doubt any EV will do well there. Acceleration I have no doubt, but seems intentionally omitted by the guy asking.
Teslas are also notoriously bad with handling/cornering/general driving dynamics. You can find vids of both the taycan and the s plaid going around nurburgring on youtube. If you compare to 2 you can see just how much smoother the porsche is whereas the tesla driver looked to be struggling to control the wheel in turns. You might also be interested to know the porsche was I believe a few seconds faster despite the tesla being up ~50% in power.
BTW similarly, you can generally also find comparable times with ICE sports cars down that's another factor of 1.5x from the Taycan power wise. (basically 2009 GTR w/ ~500hp > porsche ev w/ ~700hp > tesla ev w/ ~1000hp).
If you want good handling, you go for a small, light, short wheel-based car (or pay out the backend for porsche magic I guess, but even that has limits). Tesla's really quite far from that being not small, not light, nor porsche.
The MOTO services in Swansea doesn't just have Tesla Superchargers, it also has GRIDSERVE chargers including 6 X 350 kW Superchargers
My wife, who has this unfuriating appetite for risk when it comes to refuelling - you know the type, whose sure "we can make it to next motorway services" - would absolutely love the range anxiety aspect of EVs . I couldn't deal with 1% predicted remaining range to the next supercharger.
I have a very hard time believing those ID7 efficiency numbers, our ID5 gets around 2.9-3.2 mi/kwh when driving on the motorway at ~70mph. And that‘s with the old, supposedly much less efficient powertrain. Being more aerodynamic, I would expect the ID7 to get at least 3.1-3.3 mi/kwh…
simple, they numbers come from the chargers and includes the charging losses. The car’s display shows the car’s consumption without the charge losses.
In good weather a model 3 is incredibly efficient - I have a lifetime efficiency of 5.6mi per kwh and get 6.6mi per kwh in good weather - I have a separate meter for the Tesla at home so I know that my full efficiency is 92.7% of the screen usage so all charging and idle losses included that's 5.2 miles per kwh lifetime and 6.1miles per kwh in good weather - fully accounted for as taken from the wall to the car.
The answer is: They say that it's the "launch edition" (looks like it's something for the UK) which comes without a heat pump. Especially in winter conditions, having none is a big issue. My MJ2020 Model 3 AWD had no heat pump and the efficiency in winter (or even in colder spring/fall temperatures) was quite similar to the ID.7 in this video.
This was filimed in december(ish). The temperature has a lot to do with the efficiency. I get 3.4M/KWH out of my Audi Q4 (same as an ID5) on the motorway in the warmer weather. I suspect it will be be nearer 2.8 in the winter cold tomorrow.
The way to make EV range cheaper, slow down some roads.
The screen in the back of the Tesla is better than most cars infotainment 😂😂😂
Too small to be of any use……and if it was me loading that tree I’d have smashed the screen or at least scratched it!
Polestar 3 or 4. Is for you.
My first trip to the UK in 8 years was in November 2023 and I now fully understand why so many Brits I know think EVs will never last and that there are too many problems. The charging network there is a disgrace. I travel a lot around the world and when countries Brits often make fun of, such as Mexico, have far better and more reliable EV charging networks than the UK, then I think it becomes high time the companies operating in the UK really took a long, hard, look in the mirror. This level of incompetence when supplying basic infrastructure services is absolutely alarming and it actually helps me understand why any sort of infrastructure project in the UK always fails disastrously. It's not as if the public don't actually, genuinely, want all of those services. The demand is really visibly there. But the companies are completely incompetent to organize anything.
Had the id7 in your test a Heat Pump, since it's optional?
Watching the charging struggles along with the incredibly delayed VW screen makes it pretty obvious Tesla is the only intelligent option.
Considering the model 3s interior as the best of these 3 is just bonkers.
There are still questions... Which temperatures have been in the car, have some cars a heat pump and some not? Which driving mode was selected in the cars?
And as far as I know, the superchargers are calculating the charging energy amount from the Tesla itself (so Charging losses are not included) and I'm unsure how the exact charging amount on superchargers works with foreign car brands...
The facelift Model 3 is already available in RHD?
i think id 7 had something wrong. i’ve seen quite a few tests where it came out as very efficient…
Temperature differences make a lot of difference
@@casperhansen826 yes, but the conditions were always the same for all cars. heat pump system in ID cars is quite good (but not sure if the test car had it in this video) and overall with the low coefficient of drag and the really good new drive system I cannot imagine it’s really that far behind …
They tested the ID.7 without the (cheap) heat pump option - the results would have looked very different if they had included this option that most buyers will get. In other words, this review is pointness.
No heat pump fitted in this car I suppose. If true, this real life test is a little biased
Great review! Please add metric measurements ;)
Great video! I am getting my Tesla Model 3 Highland AWD in white with the 19 inch wheels in february.
0:30. That view of the Tesla, has to be one of the most beautiful cars ever made. The badges, the tail lights, the body lines, the proportions, the spacing between the letters. It's one of the most stunning cars on the road. It looks like a $250,000 car. Meanwhile Chevy cars are still using the horrendous "bow tie" box logo, painted gold, 3 sizes too large, made from brittle plastic.
Completely agree, I can’t wait to get my Tesla
Pricing in different markets is kind of strange. The base model Seal in Australia is $14000 cheaper than the Tesla.
Here, Tesla is also more expensive than BYD... warranty and servicing costs are also to be considered amongst others
The model they tested is actually the premium versionin in Australia, which stars from 58000AUD but still cheaper than model 3
@@yifuwu3261 yes, that's right. The Dynamic is a very good value product and it's strange that they are not matching that in other markets.
@@jonpaxman maybe the transportation cost and tariffs in Europe is higher?
@@yifuwu3261 Yes, I guess so. Tesla has manufacturing in Europe and BYD doesn't.
This is the only review of the BYD Seal that commented on the Interior being cheap feeling and plasticy. Every........and I mean every reviewer has raved about the interior quality.
From what I can see.......the VW was always going to be priced out of it and the only advantage the Tesla has is the charging network.........I'm in Ireland and the SuperCharger network is..........well It's not really Super at all.
BYD Seal for me....all day, every day.
The video was like watching a Tesla promo film. (sorry!!!!)
Yeah I have a Tesla Model 3 and a BYD and I have to say the Tesla charging network in Western Australia is pretty underwhelming and generally more expensive as well.
Great comparison real world test. But have been searching forever what trim of cars you are testing. RWD Model 3? AWD ID7? RWD BYD Seal?
Nice to see the focus on efficiency and price per mile/trip - that is something not properly covered in most reviews... the 'home-charge to 100% at the end' is a bit weird as the car with the biggest battery will cost more... would be better to have done something like 'home-charge to 100mile range'.
Also, the Tesla charging network keeps being mentioned as a great benefit, but there are lots of fast chargers in the UK, other cars can start using the network, and also the Tesla had to go out of its way to find a Tesla charger - so reviewers should be clearer about what the benefits are (in this case, cost, speed, and simplicity) - personally, what I like about the Tesla charging network is that the car is the way the car route-plans, accurately estimating the charge required to arrive at the charger.
But this was a great real-world review - more please!
Just love these real world comparisons - please keep it up
If only people had a real world TH-cam account without a 4 figure number at the end, like all the bots out there - please cease and desist
So I was just thinking, this channel needs to have Sandry Monroe on a road trip review video with them! Imagine the culture shock of having Sandy with his boisterous humor, along with the curious UK onlookers. It would make for great content! Please do it! Call Sandy Monroe and pay for a ticket for him to fly over.
Supercharger network is open to other in many areas so it is not a huge deal
Not so much in the UK. Only 10%
@@ianjames3078 i guess this is a UK channel. But look at the official SC map from Tesla and you can see that the SC network is not a huge boon anymore here in mainland Europe. At least not so much that it always makes Tesla "win".
tesla just not open fast than you think ...😅 like 10 spots just open 1 spot for non tesla
tesla have to put non tesla rare spot or not enough so other will know different ...if tesla dont open then others car company will slow down evs they dont sell much then shut down or make less ...just like u put 10 ip vs 3 nokia the same spot..
The Tesla NAV system integration with the superchargers networks, makes it so seamless. It takes away the stress of finding a charger for long trips. Tesla can also using the other EV chargers, but then you need an app, it give an headache to deal with this, where to stop, how long to stop. etc.
Great comparison. Results were really interesting
Are non-tesla fast chargers as unreliable in the UK as they are in the US? I had a model 3 which I loved. I have a Ford electric pickup which I love but I'm a little leery about the charging situation on long trips (At least until I can use Tesla superchargers this spring).
No problem, charge stations that I visits from Ionity, BP Pulse, Chargy... works well. I can also plug & charge with my Skoda Enyaq (VW ID4 sister model).
I would say that anyone who owns an EV and plans to drive it would be far better off on an EV tariff with overnight rate of 7.5p/kWh. Also would have been great to see the Model 3 with the aero wheels, as it make a real difference, especially motorway driving
Or have an employer with free 400V chargers in the staff car park.
Why do you only work 1 hour a day? 😂@@Nickbaldeagle02
I'm on the 7.5p rate. Even though I've v4 superchargers 5 miles from my house and lifetime free supercharging the cost of home charging is so insignificant I drive by the free superchargers every time.
@@paulbrowne6087Probably better for the longevity of your batteries too when you’re not constantly using a supercharger, although again some claim it’s a non-issue with Teslas due to its superior battery chemistry. I would rather not take the chance.
As well as being the most expensive, VW are losing money on every EV they sell. They won't survive the decade.
I assume for all cars the Eco drive option was selected. My BMW i4 has been achieving 3.6 miles per kwh in mixed motorway and town driving in December conditions. Probably most similar in price to the ID7 in terms of price and features.
I honestly doubt that your i4 is more efficient than a m3, please share your reasonable proof.
I highly doubt it. Probably you also calculated from the figures the vehicle gives you not the charging bills themselves.
@@flujori why not? i4 is very efficient
@@ralfulrich6254 Tesla model 3: 139 Wh/km / BMW i4: 156 Wh/km. I have people at work who drive model3's and I4's and it is clear as day that a Tesla 3 is at least 10% more efficient.
@@flujori ok, I don't know both but in this category both are very efficient.
BYD of course! Just look to the amazing sport car, inside and exterior quality! There is no comparison to Tesla or VW! Talking about plastics.... yes if you are a Tesla owner! BYD SEAL 4WD 3.8S will be my choice in the near future. Great car!
The biggest difference is that Tesla does not have an interior. It’s like buying an unfurnished house. Although BYD is a bit more expensive, at least 8 don’t have to sleep on the floor.😂
You guys did it again, great video. Very unique and insightful! I really liked the back and forth style.
VW ID.7 is clearly the larger car - especially rear seating, fairly roomy. Just a larger car.
V3 super chargers are paired up, if you’d left a bay between each car you’d have all got the maximum charge rate. As you did it, one car would have had maximum charge, the other 2 would have shared the 250kw
How long was spent (wasted) waiting for charging?
BYD low range is AU$10000 cheaper than Tesla (in Australia) so different proposition here
Feels like much of this video was comparing charging networks, not cars. Charging networks will evolve with time. In Australia the Seal Premium is cheaper than the Model 3, and many of us charge primarily in our driveway or garage, so the Seal is more competitive unless you are constantly driving between cities.
The new model 3, basically, almost everything is done on the touch screen, that's just a big NO to me, even watching the speed on that screen was bad already! No hard feelings to Testa lovers :), just a personal opinion!
for me, the most important point was not mentioned! how much time did you spend on charging and looking for chargers?
When you did the costs you could have worked out the MPG e and worked out how much it would have cost to do in an appropriate combustion car. Otherwise a good review
Thanks for a well balanced and fair review. Non-Tesla rapid charging network is still a very mixed bag, especially in unfamiliar areas where it's hard to make optimal choices. No such issues for Tesla / Superchager network. Probably worth mentioning that the BYD has a six year vehicle warranty compared to 4 yrs Tesla, 3 yrs VW.
I'm assuming you are talking bumper to bumper warranty since Tesla's battery warranty is 8 yrs/ 120k miles.
There are markets that Tesla is ignoring, and where there are no tesla superchargers. This is where the BYD jumps in.
Yes for the battery and motors.@@jpizel1070
are you sure 6yrs no count miles
In Brazil we have no Tesla's supercharges and BYD Seal is a lot cheaper than Tesla Model 3, which makes BYD an easy choice. BTW BYD offers 5yrs warranty on the vehicle and 8 years warranty on battery, no count miles. Only AWD Seal is avaliable here.
As Tesla and BYD have a Heatpump as standard, but it is optional on the ID7, did the ID7 in the test have one?
With that price, with or without heat pump. It’s still a really disappointing result.
@@adardeslol7513 At this pricepoint the heatpump should definetly be standard, but also you have to compare apples with apples
@@sebsta7990 I see your point, would be nice to see the spec list if possible!
Thanks for bringing the efficiency rating to the video. I believe the future is all about how efficient a car is as power and torque are all very sufficient in EV. :) Cheers from 2024!