NEW BYD Seal vs Tesla Model 3 vs VW ID.7 - best EV? | Road trip costs compared! | What Car?
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- The new Tesla Model 3 is better than ever, but is it beaten by the BYD Seal? Or does the all-new VW ID.7 get the better of both of them? We drive hundreds of miles in all three EVs to compare them in every area and crunch the numbers.
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Hi Guys,
What a phenomenal video. Thx!
A test between these three cars is awesome.
Next week I’ll get my Seal, and I’m pretty happy that I decided to this car. 😁
Seal is a great car, comes with 6 years full vehicle warranty, and an LFP battery that has a lifetime of half a million miles or more. You made a great choice!
Yes, next to the design, the LFP battery and the warranty was the reason why I have waited for. 😊
I love the Seal, V2L, Heads up, blade battery, Stalks and Autogful German channel called it's driving dynamics better than Model 3 highland. It's incredible
@@maximilianhollandvw is best
@@maximilianholland I also loved the seats in that car
The same BYD Seal sells for 31k GBP here in Australia. Roughly 14.5k GBP cheaper than your price. Crazy difference.
On China Byd
Seal sells for 10k !why?
@@袁力二because they can
@@袁力二 Articles I've seen put it much dearer than that in China?
@@袁力二 bc of shipping and import tariffs that every country sets, also, since the West, lead by the USA, is trying to destroy China at all cost, that plays a big role as well. Not too long ago, Eu union, crazy Ursula Vonder!@#!@# wanted stop the import of "CHEAP" Chinese EV cars, because they were too affordable and other brands couldn't compete!
So, the price of Chinese EV cars may actually increase in the future if EU keeps following master USA orders!
@@袁力二goverment incentive and subsidizes the car
And VW thinks people are not interested in buying EVs when in reality people are not interested in buying poorly designed EVs.
Tesla sells millions of them the model y is the most popular car on earth
The euro market is tiny also nobody really cares it’s about China and USA
VW is improving, but very slowly. They have a fossil problem, and in this case fossils refer to the old-school engineers designing their EVs.
They have a bit to catch up with Skoda and a long long way from Tesla
I sincerely hope vw never go to Teslas level.. because Teslas interior is lack lister and unergonomical
Not to mention so expensive!
The main issue is not the cars at all, but the need for a common standard for re-charging facilities with some kind of additional control of maximum re-charging prices. The differences are absurd.
As the ID7 is almost exactly the same size as a Tesla Model S, perhaps a fairer comparison would to have compared the ID7 as a much more cost effective competitor to the BMW i5 and Mercedes EQE (and Tesla Model S if it was available as RHD).
My wife and I have both run fully electric cars since 2015 (Tesla Model S's/BMW i3's etc) so I accept that range anxiety is something in the dim and distant past for us, and that may not be the case for newer/potential BEV converts, but I wish for once that there would be a test on fully electric cars that didn't focus almost entirely efficiency and range. It seems the average UK annual mileage is under 10,000, so that's under 200 miles per week. Therefore one full charge per week in nearly every electric car on the market would be sufficient for most people, so clearly not everyone only drives long distances all the time, which is what these tests seem to be obsessed with.
There are never any normal comparative group tests on petrol/diesel cars when the focus is on, and the winner is determined almost entirely, by the mpg. MPG and other running costs almost always come at the end of normal group tests, with performance/handling/comfort/practicality being 90% of the deciding factors in determining the winner. With electric car tests these seem to account for 10%.
why do you have to be a CONVERT to just drive a bloody car you people are mental,, and all this peeing around with apps and all the other nonsense makes me laugh and when you connect all this doodah up you squeal with delight when it actually works,,,and it says only charge to 80% to save the battery so take 20% off its range automatically to get the true range???????????????????? no thanks I am not a convert
Thank you for pointing this out.
ID6 ? It won't sell.
Great statement. I would like to add the cost check to this. No one will drive to a charging point he does not know and he has no information on the costs. Paying over 80p for charging is a waste of money and you can not compare it to the TESLA using only his sponsored network.
Very good point
My next door neighbour just received his BYD Seal, it looks and feels awesome. He had a Tesla 3 before but change to this and said he never regretted it. Fully loaded as most stuff comes as standard.
He WILL regret it... 😂
no he wont
the model 3 has had a refresh it is incomparable to previous generation
Funny, Ive watched multiple reviews of the BYD Seal, and unanimously everyone has commented on the quality of the Seal interior. After test driving myself several times, Id never describe it as "plasticky". As a BMW driver for 15+ years, id compare it to any 3 series Ive driven before. Subjective I suppose..
True, however I learn 't as an Ex- BMW owner the quality materials didn't transgress to the mechanical systems, everything other than the cockpit was cheap as chips, poor quality, cheap plastics etc, etc. disappointing to say the least, my last BMW mechanic summed it up when I asked him why he didn't drive a BMW, he said his Vauxhall was far better quality.
@donaldduck5731 Haha, fair point. Come to think of it, I've never had a BMW (3,4, or 530e) that hasn't given me problems. Relatively new or old.
All of them are obviously tesla fans , you could tell from their enthusiasm when talking about anything Tesla
@@williamwatitwa3534 agreed, totally not an objective review
Precisely! Seen reviews in english, french, spanish and portuguese and this is the first one that gives the BYD Seal a negative review regarding interior quality.
Most of the videos grade it as having a BMW/Audi/Mercedes quality and ambience.
But hey, when 3 guys are fanboys of a certain car brand, this was bound to happen....
I would go for the Seal looks very good, Tesla looks very bland and I would hate the lack of stalks, the VW also a bit bland and staid looking.
Yes the supercharger network is a big plus, but 90% of my charging is at home and when I do use public charging I find it easy enough, so the Seal for me.
I have had a Telsa M3 LR in Australia for over 2 years now and love it, my main requirement above all else when buying an EV back then as it still would be today is NO FAFFING ABOUT.
Idc if the screen rotates in the BYD i just want the easiest EV experience possible and for roadtrips thats Telsa end of story.
I wouldn't even buy an EV if i could not charge at home which seems to be an issue for you there in the UK with terraced houses.
Lots of fog and crappy weather.
This island can truly *SUCK* 😢
Your *sUn* 🌞 and weather conditions there are perfect for solar panels 👌
@icosthop9998 it is, I have had 6kw solar since 2010 still pumps out 4.5kw and I charge exclusively with that.
Still people in Australia complain EVs are no good because our country is to big, ignoring the fact no one really travels any further than they would in the UK, and if they do regularly well don't buy an EV.
Exactly, its weird how so many people lack the ability to think for them selfs @sr20trx
UK is considered an Island.
The once *Mighty GREAT BRiTAIN* is no more.
The only comfort is that everything is going downhill all over the world.
I don't know why, but i'm glad the BYD did not "Clean House".
The Tesla SUPER chargers gives Tesla another nice edge in The World of EV. Even though they charge other car companies more than they do their own for using Tesla Chargers.
The Tesla chargers still undercut the other charging companies prices, and it was very easy to download the Tesla app.
Seal has the lowest perceived quality?
I've been sitting in all of them, and I can only ask: what have you 3 been smoking all morning? 🤔🙄🙂
😂
Well Tesla now uses better quality materials than BYD and VW is an established brand so it is normal that the quality is better
@@m.a3914 Tesla uses better quality materials? Seriously, what are you on about?
Sure Tesla now uses more soft-touch materials, but it's all one or other type of foam. And their seats are still covered in that "vegan leather", whatever that it. It feels like very thin rubber.
Seal, on the other hand, is lined with real quality leather, nappa leather.
So seriously, what are you on about? 😆
@@RatimirRSlots of people like me dont want leather for ethical reasons. I’d prefer cloth as number 1 choice, but our vegan leather is great.
So relatable, so logical and sensible. Everything said and shown was unbiased and practical.
Hopefully one day this test will be repeated with a Long Range Model 3 which would be closer to the other 2 in terms of price as well. Great job you guys!
This is the only review of the BYD Seal that commented on the Interior being cheap feeling and plasticy. Every........and I mean every reviewer has raved about the interior quality.
From what I can see.......the VW was always going to be priced out of it and the only advantage the Tesla has is the charging network.........I'm in Ireland and the SuperCharger network is..........well It's not really Super at all.
BYD Seal for me....all day, every day.
The video was like watching a Tesla promo film. (sorry!!!!)
Yeah I have a Tesla Model 3 and a BYD and I have to say the Tesla charging network in Western Australia is pretty underwhelming and generally more expensive as well.
19.10 this is what’s hurting EV acceptance. Charge points not working, demanding cumbersome payment methods with stupid apps etc etc. Why does it need to be so difficult anno 2023. Just charge and pay with your bank card/phone and forget all the marketing BS of gathering data etc.
Imagine how Italians must feel with their network of petrol stations that only accept brand cards.
Also being massively overpriced, subject to catastrophic depreciation, battery degradation, unreliability, higher insurance etc etc.
@@FirstLast-rh9jwThanks for the FUD, but no thanks.
@@davidmenasco5743only low IQ stock "traders" call everything they don't want to hear FUD
@@sargfowler9603 is that for real? Where?
One aspect these tests are always overlooking ; is the EV a proprietary, fully integrated vehicle ? Do all of the EVs components communicate through a central computer to create a seamless experience ? To BYD’s credit , it is a partially integrated EV, the VW - not even close, the Tesla you can give voice commands to about half its functions, receive software updates OTA, and control many abilities on your phone app. , it is simply in its own league.
BYD vehicles have voice control functionality, OTA as well as its own BYD vehicle app for the vehicle. Let's not forget Apple carplay and Android auto, too, as well as the vehicle to load capability
@@Peter-vn8ue , but how many components come from outsourced suppliers that write their own software ?
@@shepherdsknoll BYD is even more vertically integrated than Tesla as they make their own chips etc. We have an Atto 3 and although overall it's a great car and we're happy with it, the voice control is a bit hit and miss, especially in regard to navigation
In China, BYD's intelligent system is not the best, the best car intelligent system is Huawei's car, such as Changan cooperation avatr
@@geoffsemon7411 Agreed, they own 1/6 of the lithium mines in the world.
ID.7 with/without heat pump? Does it have the new, more efficient engine or the regular 150 kW one? I think the ID.7 is a little more premium than the other cars shown here tbh
The Id7 is absolutely in a different league. The suspension, size and interior makes it almost a rival to the I5 or EQE… comparing it to the model 3 is a bit senseless…
I personally prefer the smaller limousine size like a 3 series, c-class, A4 or tesla model 3 since these cars tend to be more dynamic and fun but comparing them to larger limousines isnt really worthwhile / fair since larger limousines do focus on interior space and comfortable cruising
Yes ID7 has the new AP550 motor 210 kW, 545 Nm.
Charging with Tesla is cheaper & quicker ..
But , public chargers work out roughly
Diesel £100
Charge on road £35
Charge at home £10 EV tariff. .7.5 kw
0:30. That view of the Tesla, has to be one of the most beautiful cars ever made. The badges, the tail lights, the body lines, the proportions, the spacing between the letters. It's one of the most stunning cars on the road. It looks like a $250,000 car. Meanwhile Chevy cars are still using the horrendous "bow tie" box logo, painted gold, 3 sizes too large, made from brittle plastic.
Completely agree, I can’t wait to get my Tesla
Great video, although the id7 is out of place as its not only a bigger car (too big for my driving and roads) but far too expensive at 15k more than the Tesla. Problem I have is driving for nearly 50years there is no way I could live without the indicator stalk. On one of my regular 20 mile drives there are 10 big roundabouts (not mini) where your hands will be crossed when indicating for your exit. I suspect Tesla owners will not bother to indicate most of the time and just hope the rest of us give them enough room. Should never have been given type approval!
So imagine they would have compared to a model S. It would have sucked even more.
If you have to have it you can buy an inexpensive aftermarket add on stalk. Try getting used to the new system 1st though.
just go and try it yourself. It's in fact super easy - you only every blink in one direction to exit a roundabout, which is simply the lower key when the yoke / wheel is turned 180 degrees. And you can feel the button cleary thanks to a small "bump".
In my country (Germany) the difference between the ID.7 is even smaller. A full spec Model 3 RWD is ~51k€ (7,5k extras), while a nearly full ID7 is 60k€ (8k extras). When talking leasing, the ID.7 is 200€/month cheaper (at the OEM bank) [700 to 500]. Another really big factor is the discount that a local VW dealer can give you.
In the end, I think it's fair to say, that the ID7 and the Model 3 RWD is comparable in terms of price and therefore, this video deserves its place. Comparing the ID7 to an EQE, Model S or similar would be totally unfair, since these cars cost way more with a bit of extras (and are also way better).
No indicator stalk and no infront speedo and no off screen gearshift means a big fat NO !!
I do not understand how regulators are allowing the removal of the indicator as it is very difficult to use in a roundabout. Loads of them in my country unlike in the US.
have you actually tried it (for more than one roundabout) yourself? I have it since a few weeks and it took maybe 10 roundabouts to completely forget about it. And, if you still don't like it, there are retrofits available.
@@RaphaelJeger excellent news ! Saddly the non availability of HUD on Tesla is a show stopper for. I had cars with HUD since 2005. (currently have a Jaguar i-Pace). I believe it even more important for EVs to be equipped with HUD as one can easily go over speed limit in town without noticing.
@@marcbungener1877 I drive Teslas since 2014 and the lack of a HUD has never been the reason for my tickets ;-) And if you want, you can activate visual and / or audible alerts when going over the limit, and you can decide the offset. And even for this, there are retrofits.
@@RaphaelJegerI’ve read others say they stopped indicating when exiting roundabouts because of it. Confused.
@@newbris possible, but also quite possibly a good excuse for people that didn't indicate in the first place
Thanks for the review guys. Maybe the car that will knock the M3 off the top position will be the MY Juniper version out mid to late next year. This is what I'm waiting for.
Under £90 to do the same 520-mile trip in a 40mpg diesel car at £1.52 per litre, most likely do that on 1 tank of fuel so no fill-ups no range anxiety, and no massive deprecation on EV or crazy new purchase price for the normal guy choosing a car to buy ...
The BYD seal provides biggest bang for your buck. Looks damn good from the outside and i am a big fan of both the screens inside.
more expensive and worse in every aspect as a model 3?
@@bobteerlinck637 Tesla cant even assemble a car properly.. most Tesla headlights are blinding on coming Trafic, unless you adjust the headlights after each update , known faults like this is only accepted by Tesla fan boys like your self..
@@bobteerlinck637take a nap and watch the video again bro, each car here has its pros and cons, VW with mostly conns 😂
@@martinmoeller123 Keep crying. The tesla crushed both competitors in this test and it wasnt even close
@@spacebound1969 I doubt you are even old enough to have a licens...
With the added benefit of Tesla superchargers... Tesla is unbeatable. Crazy the new model 3 is the cheapest car as well.
Tesla is the Best, cheapest, most efficient, safest EV to buy on the market.
if it is a hatchback car it would be the best (probably next model 3 gen will be a hatchback %100 )
@@ismeto-j9yErm, you have the Model Y for that..
Indeed the cheapest with missing...
Radar
Parking Sensor
Matrix LED
Headup
Rain Sensor... Vision Only is not working
Android Auto,
Capacitive steering wheel
etc.
... And I could name at least 15 Things missing in a Tesla, which you could not buy even if you would like to spent the money.
If the ID7 would be that poor featured...Business Customers would kill VW...and if it would exist, it would be similar priced to the poor Tesla
@@josefv-y8m Radar... humans also don't have a radar and it works pretty well with 2 eyes. So I think the vision only solution technically can work in the future. BTW even with vision only, the Tesla's Autopilot is 100x better than BYD seals system.
Parking sensor... Tesla is developing a virtual projection of the world around the car (essentially mapping the world to use that info then in other Teslas for fully autonomous driving in the future). Yes that fully integrated system is some time away but I think is the right approach for future proofing a vehicle/a fleet of vehicles. Can see that some customers though buy a car for the here and now.
Matrix LED... well, every Tesla Model 3 and Y just got it overnight via software update - so did not age well ;) FOR FREE too.
Headup... personal preference, but Teslas design does not account for that. Tesla wants unimpeded driving view/focus. If you want one, then unfortunately you have to look elsewhere. Can't see the HUD with polarized glasses anyways and adds cost to vehicle manufacture. I think entry level BYD also does not have it.
Rain Sensor... got miles better with some updates in the last month or so. Also rain sensor in some other car companies also don't work 100% accurately
Android Auto... don't need that as Teslas infotainment is miles better, has Google maps and other Apps like Spotify, Apple Music, Podcasts.. integrated natively
Capacitive steering wheel... don't know what that would be useful for and I think BYD also does not have that
So, personally I can very well live without a headup display, Android Auto and capacitive steering wheel, and am happy that the price of the Tesla is the lowest one of the bunch too!
As well in the United States accepting non teslas too, I have a model 3 for two months and I love it ❤😅
Good video & thanks. Clearly the Tesla is the RWD version. It'd be interesting to see the BYD against the Dual Motor version in the future. The prices would be similar too (I think)
The Tesla Dual Motor has 70 miles more range than the RWD (due to the bigger battery, but only 65 kg more weight) while the Seal AWD has 30 miles less range than the RWD (same battery, 130 kg more weight, less efficiency). So, if you don't care about the crazy power, the RWD Seal is probably the better choice.
On paper, that’s all true. I was more wondering about journey times which would need to include charging. The RWD Tesla is faster charging than the AWD version. Would it be faster than the BYD with its longer range, or not?
@@SilverfoxThe The RWD Model 3 needs a few minutes less for the same SOC%, but the LR AWD puts more energy over the same time due to higher power level.
@@SilverfoxTheFor a good comparison of total trip times, see Bjørn Nyland's 1,000 km Challenge.
He has tested several versions of Model 3 (the road trip champion). I don't know if he has tested the Seal yet, but I'm sure he will. He's based in Norway and has tested just about every EV being sold in Europe including several Chinese made cars.
In each video, at the end of the trip just after the countdown, he shows a portion of his spreadsheet where you can see several models compared.
In my estimation, it's the most valuable EV evaluation resource on the Internet.
@@davidmenasco5743
I know that engineers working at those manufactures are also really interested in his videoa
BYD of course! Just look to the amazing sport car, inside and exterior quality! There is no comparison to Tesla or VW! Talking about plastics.... yes if you are a Tesla owner! BYD SEAL 4WD 3.8S will be my choice in the near future. Great car!
Great vid, here's a comparison I did almost exactly the same mileage in my old Volvo XC60 2.4 diesel, 559 miles for work to Scotland and back... cost me £71 @£1.40pl
BYD seal interior is just OK? Wow, you have a very high standard!
but it looks like less space
I don't even get that part of a car review anymore hahaha unless it's a very cheap car
Much better then tesla
That’s what I was thinking, they ripped the Seal to shreds but the people I know that have seen the Seal and new Model 3 prefer the Seal interior to the Model 3?
@@dzonikg no
Here in Bangkok I see many BYD cars and Tesla Model 3 and Model Y.
Tough call. Love the BYD especially the 3.8s model. Great looks. Saw the new Model 3 Highland and it is just much better looking in the metal.. Model 3 for me.
Tesla is pure Garbage here in California. Volkswagen will soon take a share of the market with a high quality precisely engineered suspension with much better ride quality then Tesla which many feel is a cheap product.
I would say that anyone who owns an EV and plans to drive it would be far better off on an EV tariff with overnight rate of 7.5p/kWh. Also would have been great to see the Model 3 with the aero wheels, as it make a real difference, especially motorway driving
Or have an employer with free 400V chargers in the staff car park.
Why do you only work 1 hour a day? 😂@@Nickbaldeagle02
I'm on the 7.5p rate. Even though I've v4 superchargers 5 miles from my house and lifetime free supercharging the cost of home charging is so insignificant I drive by the free superchargers every time.
@@paulbrowne6087Probably better for the longevity of your batteries too when you’re not constantly using a supercharger, although again some claim it’s a non-issue with Teslas due to its superior battery chemistry. I would rather not take the chance.
As well as being the most expensive, VW are losing money on every EV they sell. They won't survive the decade.
A few problems with the BYD representation of the fact the cars are being charged to 80% being the lithium batteries but as the Byd are using their blade battery in the Seal giving it a real life larger range as it can charge to 100% everytime and not needed to be restricted to the same as the other cars in the test
The Tesla Model 3 RW also uses BYD LFP batteries so can also be charged to 100% everytime.
Thanks for the video, great comparison! For the biggest part of the world they use KM's for the range. Maybe a small KM figure next to miles increases your viewer potential? In the video is a small typo. When you compare the ranges @ 22.00 min the Model 3 price is not correct.
I have a very hard time believing those ID7 efficiency numbers, our ID5 gets around 2.9-3.2 mi/kwh when driving on the motorway at ~70mph. And that‘s with the old, supposedly much less efficient powertrain. Being more aerodynamic, I would expect the ID7 to get at least 3.1-3.3 mi/kwh…
simple, they numbers come from the chargers and includes the charging losses. The car’s display shows the car’s consumption without the charge losses.
In good weather a model 3 is incredibly efficient - I have a lifetime efficiency of 5.6mi per kwh and get 6.6mi per kwh in good weather - I have a separate meter for the Tesla at home so I know that my full efficiency is 92.7% of the screen usage so all charging and idle losses included that's 5.2 miles per kwh lifetime and 6.1miles per kwh in good weather - fully accounted for as taken from the wall to the car.
The answer is: They say that it's the "launch edition" (looks like it's something for the UK) which comes without a heat pump. Especially in winter conditions, having none is a big issue. My MJ2020 Model 3 AWD had no heat pump and the efficiency in winter (or even in colder spring/fall temperatures) was quite similar to the ID.7 in this video.
This was filimed in december(ish). The temperature has a lot to do with the efficiency. I get 3.4M/KWH out of my Audi Q4 (same as an ID5) on the motorway in the warmer weather. I suspect it will be be nearer 2.8 in the winter cold tomorrow.
They aren’t experienced wit EVs and clearly messed something with the heat management. They even got better consumption in the real world which should have indicated they made a mistake.
There are reliable real world tests done with lower consumption at even higher 80-85mph speeds.
great review. So morale of the story is that use a tank of fuel for £60 or get a tesla. Those charging costs for VW and BYD are disturbing
Here in Western Australia we're lucky as we never use DC charging always charging at home Super Off Peak and paying 8c/kWHr on AC. This is also offset by solar when sunny so really, it costs virtually nothing for us to charge. If we did have to go on a long trip and use DC charging, I think it's around 60c/kWHr.
Yup. Just buy a Tesla.
Not really, as most EV users very rarely need to use public chargers if they have somewhere to charge at home.
Only 10% of EVs consumers recharges out of home.
There are so many more important parameters than public charger cost since I would charge at home like 99% of the time.
Any reason you didnt go with the BYD Seal Performance? Comparable range or price point?
Another thing to mention when using Apple Car on the BYD is that it's quite a work-around to change the temperature or fan speed (if not with voice control) because of switching apps.
I've got the Model 3 around 4 weeks ago (Disclaimer, I'm not a Tesla fanboy). I can confirm all of the findings in this great video (good job guys).
Regarding the indicator and wiper stick... I was very sceptical at first but after a couple of drives I actually prefer it now, since you can leave your hand on the wheel and simply press a button. And regarding roundabouts, the first ones are not working well, but after a couple of roundabouts it's no big deal anymore. Every new system demands some practice, this is one example of this.
On the flip side, the wiper-automatic is beyond words and works extremely bad. It freaks out when a drop of rain hits the sensor (and yes, I cleaned it thoroughly,...). I leave it off now. Also got heaps of camera errors when the weather is wet-ish (camera obstructed, ...). Parking sensors are also crap, but I was happy to see the new 3D reconstruction update today, this solved this problem.
Overall, really really good car.
Did the ID.7 have the heat pump fitted? I guess not. If it did, the results were quite disappointing.
Very likely not. It appears quite biased to me that they condemn the ID.7 so hard for its efficiency even though things would look dramatically different with heat pump - an option that most buyers will definitely get.
But at £55k not having a HP is unforgivable from VW.@@Objectivity_Matters
These guys tested this in a different TH-cam and tested the VW both with and without heat pump and the difference was minimum and they concluded they said it didn't justify the price difference. @@adamcole4808
Yes the Seal has a larger range...but it also has a bigger battery than the Tesla. So not terribly surprising. How it uses the available energy is the key, i.e. the efficiency. Also the super charger network is plentiful, fast and ultra reliable. So actually for me Tesla wins in every category
not reallly. Winter shortfall Seal 23% Model3 33%😛
No Stalks, no heads up, no V2L , no fire proof battery. Seal is the deal
@@dlokcn1yeah but overall efficiency is 3.3 byd vs 3.7 in the Tesla
If they had the long range model 3 with aero wheels this would have been a joke lmao. It costs the same amount as the seal and gets 100 more miles.
@@dlokcn1 yep.....that was on screen alright but completely ignored.
It was a Tesla promotional video.
1 question: did the ID7 have a Heat pump fitted? It feels like it did not.
The results of this video seem incredibly suspicious to me. We have an id3 with the 77kwh battery without a heat pump and it achieves more range than what is presented here. The id7 has a better drag coefficient and has the new more efficient motor so should be achieving much greater results.
@@Beannie654 ID.7 is 2,2 tons. In city driving this will affect it a lot.
@@Beannie654I don't see a reason to doubt their credibility but I do find them disappointing. VW still so far behind in price and range is a big warning for the European auto industry.
@@Alberto-mq7gwAutobahn car should be compared to EQE and i5
@@Alberto-mq7gw but actually it is not. Hence the suspicion.
On my company scheme the Tesla is more than £200 more a month than the BYD. The Skoda equivalents are also similar priced. Also no mention that the Tesla has no CarPlay or I missed it.
CarPlay is not needed in a Tesla as it doesn't provide any value to the overall UI experience
To be honest it feels a little like a tesla commercial.
To be objective they even took inferior tesla to make the test more interasting… its standard range model 3 not a long range… thus ID7 has almost 50% bigger battery and resaults are as they are… if test was done with long rang model 3 there weren’t even be a point in comparing this cars in such test becouse of tesla adventages like charging network and superior eficiency
@@BrZi38501that 50% more battery reflects on higher prices and lower energy efficiency as the car is more heavy.
If you had compared similar battery sized cars, the results would be closer.
Then you have the fact that they charged at a Tesla supercharger which is debatable....
And then, putting a Christmas tree. You do that once a year and it goes through with no problem. Now, try that again with a bicycle, a chest of drawers or mattress you buy at an IKEA and tell me if it was as simple as it appeared with the tree.
Maybe then, you will realise how much you need a hatchback...
Well any EV comparison will as Teslas are head and shoulders above all the others
@@PaleBlueDotCitizen they are?
In which regard specifically?
Thanks.
Just love these real world comparisons - please keep it up
If only people had a real world TH-cam account without a 4 figure number at the end, like all the bots out there - please cease and desist
So I was just thinking, this channel needs to have Sandry Monroe on a road trip review video with them! Imagine the culture shock of having Sandy with his boisterous humor, along with the curious UK onlookers. It would make for great content! Please do it! Call Sandy Monroe and pay for a ticket for him to fly over.
Interesting video. I know it wouldn't be feasible but It would be interesting to make the same trip with the same cars in three years time to see what battery degradation and depreciation has occurred. Also to see if there is a better charging network.
degradation on new batteries is very minimal. You should worry about the engine on a gas car dying in 12 years.
@@Notme-tq4xsYeah, that’s a lie. Engines don’t fail in 12 years. Such a small percentage fail due to owners skipping maintenance. Yet, all HV batteries will fail around 12 years and cost way more than ICE maintenance. Plus the drive units are failing at a higher rate than engines, and many have 2 drive units at around $7k replacement each. ICE is more reliable and lower total cost of ownership. That’s the actual data, despite the emotions of the far lefties.
Any of those cars would be a great choice. I have a 2019 Tesla Model 3 performance. It's awesome!
I have a 2020 Model 3 Performance, I still find it amazing. I've noticed that people that are critical of Tesla never owned one. Most people that have owned one will never consider any other brand. Because of the many small unique smart features, I'd describe it as an experience rather than just a car, after a couple of weeks of owning it I was still finding features that were putting a smile on my face.
I think the VW is the best looking of the three.
By far
22:18 mic-drop from Tesla on costs....using roughly 62% of the (cheaper-to-buy) BYDs trip money and a (scandalous-for-VW) 53% of the id 7s trip money despite the similar purchase outlay.....no-brainer: Tesla for the win.
Pricing in different markets is kind of strange. The base model Seal in Australia is $14000 cheaper than the Tesla.
Here, Tesla is also more expensive than BYD... warranty and servicing costs are also to be considered amongst others
The model they tested is actually the premium versionin in Australia, which stars from 58000AUD but still cheaper than model 3
@@yifuwu3261 yes, that's right. The Dynamic is a very good value product and it's strange that they are not matching that in other markets.
@@paxmaniac1 maybe the transportation cost and tariffs in Europe is higher?
@@yifuwu3261 Yes, I guess so. Tesla has manufacturing in Europe and BYD doesn't.
WOW! Tesla cost almost half as much as the ID 7 for the entire trip.
Tesla reigns supreme.
Thank you for an honest interesting review.
Excellent consumer advice.
when you let all cars charge at a Tesla supercharger and then drive to a strange charger they never have heard of - of course the costs of the non-Teslas are much higher. So in my opinion, the test was a bit biased.
I have no idea about the charging infrastructure in England/Wales, but in Germany there is no problem to find an alternative to a Tesla supercharger. After all, the Ionity chargers are often located directly at the Autobahn whereas for a Tesla supercharger you most of the time have to leave the Autobahn. So, Tesla has still an advantage with their mostly exclusive Tesla charging infrastructure, but at least in Germany, you have adequate alternatives (even besides Ionity, actually ENBW has 3760 charging points in Germany and Tesla only 2538 (December 2023), Aral for example has 1389 charging points - which are often better (more charging speed, better locations) than the Tesla sites. So the charging infrastructure shouldn't be a reason to buy a Tesla anymore - at least not in Germany.
@@flixm9928I'm sorry but it wasn't biased. The Tesla was Much more efficient than the other two despite having a cheaper LFP battery.
In Germany you still need to use various apps or NFC cards to pay and not to mention their reliability is hit or miss. Tesla superchargers are incredibly consistent and reliable, there's no comparison. I switched from 3 years of VW EV to a Tesla this year and the difference is out of this world.
Those electric costs are shocking. I have just calculated my 330e doing a similar mileage (600 miles) costs me about £38 in petrol and electricity, based on my actual driving in November, which meant all my journeys were over 100 miles. The opportunism of electric charging companies to rip us off has already started and you know it will only be going one way. The old "Electric cars will cost virtually nothing to run" canard is well and truly dead even before mass adoption. Will the government regulate electric car charging station costs? Hmmmm
Also, Tesla - indicator buttons one above the other on the steering wheel? Are you completely batshit insane?!
It certainly shocked me. Tesla £59.....BYD £94..... VW £111
Working from figures on similar journeys, my TDI Golf would have cost £58. Electricity is cheaper, LOL
Obviously half the cost is lugging the battery around.
I have always thought that electric propulsion with a SMALL battery, charged by an alternator driven by a 1.6 TDI running governed to the peak of the torque curve (around 1,500 rpm) would be the answer. A battery range of 30 miles would be adequate for all except long motorway journeys.
Changes in the current law would be required, allowing the engine to be left running while the vehicle was parked out of town and in designated areas. With modern technology, theft protection would be on the motor.
This is how diesel electric trains work and the MPG is unbelievable.
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My wife, who has this unfuriating appetite for risk when it comes to refuelling - you know the type, whose sure "we can make it to next motorway services" - would absolutely love the range anxiety aspect of EVs . I couldn't deal with 1% predicted remaining range to the next supercharger.
My first trip to the UK in 8 years was in November 2023 and I now fully understand why so many Brits I know think EVs will never last and that there are too many problems. The charging network there is a disgrace. I travel a lot around the world and when countries Brits often make fun of, such as Mexico, have far better and more reliable EV charging networks than the UK, then I think it becomes high time the companies operating in the UK really took a long, hard, look in the mirror. This level of incompetence when supplying basic infrastructure services is absolutely alarming and it actually helps me understand why any sort of infrastructure project in the UK always fails disastrously. It's not as if the public don't actually, genuinely, want all of those services. The demand is really visibly there. But the companies are completely incompetent to organize anything.
Perhaps the govt also needs to do a lot more to encourage the companies.
@@adedayoadeyemo6148 The companies lobby the government to allow them to remain ineffective. This is easier to do when the government itself is visibly incompetent as it sails from scandal to scandal.
Really like the dynamic look of the Seal, and its luxury, fine materials and solid interior. The VW design is really boring. Tesla's new design seems pushing the "cost-down maximum" concept further by taking more physical buttons away, not a big fan og that concept, so I'm going for the Seal.
Great content thanks. Although two comments. 1. Tesla has the long range version too. I don not know the price in the UK, but should be around the Seal. 2. Tesla did not have the most efficient wheels during the test. The wheels you had on the car is more expensive and less efficient. Greetings from Hungary
Excellent video. Shame the Tesla didn’t have it’s standard wheels for the test which would have made it more impressive with the figures. Like the Seal over the VW but noted remarks about it’s interior
what wheels ?
@user-jz7tr8zb5h the 18 inch ones with aero covers. It would likely saved an additional 5-10% of energy.
@@ismeto-j9y in the video it doesn’t have the 18” aero wheels, it had the 19” Novo wheels
its a standard tesla upgrade, a very common one, its probably a tesla test car, provided by tesla and has one of very few options tesla offer, so its perfectly reasonable to take that version for a test. the testers weren't duty bound to tune the car to get the best out of it, despite what the Tesla Incels may think.
@@FirstLast-rh9jw No I know that, wasn’t implying anything. Just a point that the Tesla came out well & had it had the box standard aero the results would have been even better. If you don’t mind me saying you took a negative view unnecessarily there.
one thing people forget about tesla is the reserve battery percentage. even if you reach 1% you don’t need to panic because you still have plenty to get to a charger. i drove another 11 miles on 0% in my 2021 model 3.
Can’t wait for you all to have the Polestar 3 and 4 in your videos! ✔️💯
I’m 5yrs into my model S and still love it. (Free supercharging also) just bought a model 3 for my wife and she loves hers. If no right hand drive model S coming I will be buying a new face lift model 3. You JUST can underestimate how good the supercharging Tesla network is! I have driven all around Europe 4 times now and never had a problem finding or charging on the Tesla network.
45k for a byd seal in uk...which the top-trim level Seal is only 27k in china
BYD, like all Chinese EV, have very large EV incentives.
And EU still accusing China of dumping cheap evs
There are huge incentives from the government in China for their own EV. there are reasons why BYD didnt have a factory in north america, because without gov incentives their EV price wont be as competitive.
Chinese are smart. Price gouging for the stupid Westerners.
That's the same for most manufacturers including Tesla. A model S in the US starts at 75k dollars without incentives. In Netherlands it's 95k Euros or 104k American dollars
Great test! To be honest the Tesla has one big problem = missing radar and parking sensors .... and totally unreliable Tesla Vision... Try travel assist in Tesla during wrong weather at night on highway and you will see :-) Try put some box during parking at home, try auto-parking pilot in Tesla and you will see... Assistances based on Tesla Vision don't work correctly and are not safe.. Even basic Kona or ID3 or Megane or 2008 can more :-) The ID7 is larger car than T3, it is competitor of Tesla S. And last thing :-) - The battery maintenance - statistically after 10 years one or more battery cells will fail(low voltage). The Tesla can't change module, you have to buy and change whole battery pack. For ID7 you can change module (with wrong cell) for about 1000 Euros.. If you consider the battery pack of Tesla is made of common steel and is not good quality (older Tesla S have water leaks) then you would choose ID7 with Alu battery pack with double cover and with very strong Alu box of modules.. But yes many people buy car for maximum five years - is it eco? :-)
In Ireland, Sep 2024, driving VW Passat 2.0 TDI for 560 miles cost me €95. VW iD7 - 111GBP = €136. What is the logic behind buying an electric car for a more expensive journey and having a charging anxiety with broken infrastructure?
Why did the id7 cost so much more?! Is it where you were charging perhaps?
Can you please compare the app differences? I recently bought a Ford Lightning and still own a Model 3. I found the differences in app features shocking. The Ford can’t even tell me if the car is locked or set the car temperature, only turn the car on. The Tesla can tell you the state of the locks, windows, cabin temp, outside temp, you can turn the ac/heat on, set the temperature, turn the seat warmers on, view all the car’s cameras and set the car’s charge limit. If someone is driving you can see the location and speed they are driving. The app features should be a major review item.
The range that BYD gets is very good but it seems like they took from the performance and practicality to give some points to the battery. The Tesla M3 LR should be better in pretty much everything for 50,000 pounds
if BYD can install their SuperCharging stations all over UK. You will see the difference.
In China, they have 600kW charger, which is CRAZY...🤣
@@matrixbug Tesla has 1MW chargers but this is not the point. There are no vehicle aside from the Cybertruck that can charge at these crazy speeds right now
Model 3 is now an absolute _HANDSOME MACHINE_ with performance and quality to match. _GREAT BANG FOR YOUR POUND_
i think id 7 had something wrong. i’ve seen quite a few tests where it came out as very efficient…
Temperature differences make a lot of difference
@@casperhansen826 yes, but the conditions were always the same for all cars. heat pump system in ID cars is quite good (but not sure if the test car had it in this video) and overall with the low coefficient of drag and the really good new drive system I cannot imagine it’s really that far behind …
They tested the ID.7 without the (cheap) heat pump option - the results would have looked very different if they had included this option that most buyers will get. In other words, this review is pointness.
No heat pump fitted in this car I suppose. If true, this real life test is a little biased
@@Objectivity_Matters I'm not so sure most buyers will get the heat pump. It highly depends on your location and your driving routine if it's actually worth it. I don't do a lot of long trips in the winter and where I live, there are maybe 5 days a year where it actually gets below freezing point during the day, so I decided not to buy the additional heat pump.
When looking at comfort and refinement, in my opinion the BYD Seal is so far behind, it's not even worth comparing. The Model 3 has been improved so much, I'd argue it's better than the Model S in terms of comfort, and on par in terms of refinement. I have yet to drive an ID.7, look forward to making that comparison, but just looking at the price of a comparably specced ID.7, the Tesla 3 LR is a no-brainer choice.
Considering the model 3s interior as the best of these 3 is just bonkers.
Would the model y been a better choice in the comparison? Are both the other cars bigger than the model 3?
The Model Y is a crossover, and competes against the VW ID.5 and the BYD Atto 3, not against the cars included in this video.
OMG - tested cars and forgot half of the features that make a big difference: lights, self driving assistant, parking assistant, camera systems, seats .... what a weak test!
Indeed. ID7 has augmented reality HUD, much nicer rear seat with decent sitting height.
And the Vw has a very! bad Software, Updates nearly ZERO, and its Consumption is high, Power is DOWN, Vw doesnt WANT to go BEV! Actually, we see the results! Vw, Audi is going dooooown! @@Foersom_
Supercharger network is open to other in many areas so it is not a huge deal
Not so much in the UK. Only 10%
@@ianjames3078 i guess this is a UK channel. But look at the official SC map from Tesla and you can see that the SC network is not a huge boon anymore here in mainland Europe. At least not so much that it always makes Tesla "win".
tesla just not open fast than you think ...😅 like 10 spots just open 1 spot for non tesla
tesla have to put non tesla rare spot or not enough so other will know different ...if tesla dont open then others car company will slow down evs they dont sell much then shut down or make less ...just like u put 10 ip vs 3 nokia the same spot..
The Tesla NAV system integration with the superchargers networks, makes it so seamless. It takes away the stress of finding a charger for long trips. Tesla can also using the other EV chargers, but then you need an app, it give an headache to deal with this, where to stop, how long to stop. etc.
Here in Australia, the same BYD Seal Premium is $25,000 cheaper! At today’s exchange rate, £45,695 is Aus$85,326.
That car is on sale here for Aus58,798 plus on road costs. A massive cost difference. Any idea why Brits are paying so much more for the same car? Is it extra import taxes?
As a M3 owner…”Model 3” wins another year!!!🤘😉✌️
In Europe VW can use Ionity, which is cheaper than Tesla SC
ID 7 is much bigger and more luxorious car than BYD Seal and Model 3. These guys were very biased and did not mention anything about the advantages ID7 has.
Model 3 does not have even proper rain sensors and rides like a Trabant.
Indeed, ID7 RWD motor has more torque (545 Nm) than even Tesla 3 LR with dual motors (493 Nm).
The lack of regulation of the British charging network is insane. Imagine having a network of fuel stations with such hugely divergent types, prices and quality of fuel, some which may work in your car, some which you can and can't pay for. Why?
It's only electricity, it's already there in the bloomin' network. It's a sign of a government totally resistant to any sort of regulation meaning EVs will remain a niche product unnecessarily.
In what way could additional regulation solve any of the problems in the video?
Did you miss the regulations that any charging company that recieves any government money HAS TO provide payment via credit card and CCS2 charging?
@@yscol1313 Regulation could mandate consistency in charging speeds, consistency in pricing, allocate basic levels of service/maintenance. The problems these guys are having relate to chargers not working, chargers having wildly varying pricing structures, charging speeds being all over the place, located in random places rather than being at or near routes.
All of this is stuff which can quite easily be regulated if the political will was there. There is just and obsession in the British government with interfering in markets for .purely ideological reasons. And that is hitting the adoption of the technology.
Yes payments by card are a great thing but CCS2 is just a no-brainer if you want to sell anything. I mean charging companies are lazy but hey're not stupid.
@@Tessie1234 Nope. Tesla can do whatever they want and the reality is that they had to open the network because unfortunately for them not everyone is going to buy a Tesla but everyone who buys a Tesla will want a supercharger when they need it.
And don't give me this nonsense about Tesla risking solvency, they got grants and handouts for every one of those charging stations form national governments including in the US. Pour one out for the poor put-upon billionaires, Give me a break!
@@Whatshisname346would you want the clowns in government dictating how the charging infrastructure is implemented? I for one wouldn’t.
With the pricing of the other two cars, maybe the LR would have been better to test at £49990? Then it would likely have the best range also 🤷♂️ (but not cheapest).
Yes, they could also just have fitted Model 3 RWD with 18" wheel and the range would be 344 miles instead of 318 miles. Seems strange to compare a standard range Model 3 to two vehicles with much larger batteries... Model 3 won anyways 😀
Tesla won anyways, that is the AMAZING part.@@Arpedk
Maybe they couldn’t get a LR press car? I don’t think I’ve seen any LR Highland M3 Press Cars? Tesla must be confident the SR is good enough 🤣
@Simon-rt3qu not the problem here. They never mentioned this was a small battery and no mention more range could be purchased.
True and since the new LR is 421 miles with the correct wheels/tyres (something close to that I think).
other than the charging speed and costs on charging, Seal by far the best looking , sleek and gorgeous car among the three.with no doubt. The Model 3 indicator and gear changing mode would definitely a annoying and need time to adapt to it and yet do distract your focus while you are driving. The interior of Model 3 is boring.
Thanks for your efforts. A really needed video.
200 miles I can get easily with my ID4 GTX. It has to be something wrong with this ID7 imo. I've seen other winter test in Germany with a range of 250 miles (50 % highway). Anyways, Tesla gives me zero emotions and I don't like the operation at all. I always would prefer a hatchback.
Agreed, feel like they measured something incorrectly and failed to catch it, most tests I see show the ID.7 being quite efficient. I also don’t think the ID.7 should be in this comparison at all as the other two cars are a good bit smaller in size and in a different category.
I'm sorry, but VW really is a lobby company. They have their fingers deep into german politics. And now they are struggling to keep up with Tesla. The ID3 was promised to be the new golf, the best selling car from VW. Look what that car has become. I hear ID3 owners only getting 40kW DC max in winters. It's almost as if VW is manipulating their loyal customers, to keep buying ICE cars.
Looks like the new Tesla Model 3 Long Range will be around £5,000 more than the BYD. Is it worth the extra, probably.
The downside is the LR is 25% more expensive than the SR.
So unless you regularly do mileage that is outside the range of the SR car it's probably not worth it.
but long range comes with different batteries that you must power them only %80 every time that I do not understand exactly so in standart range you can use %100 battery
@@gavjlewisPricing is weird. We got ours before the price cuts, but LR was more than 25% premium in list price. Only £12/month difference on the lease cost, so we went for the LR. In real life, the range makes barely any difference. Regular return trips from Midlands to London with >45% range remaining when we get home. Regular trips to Scotland - the car always wants to do it with one charging stop, but I always want two stops in a 6 hour drive, so journey time for me would be the same in a standard range. I'd still pay £12/month for the 4WD, performance and occasional convenience, but I wouldn't pay £10k or 25%.
why don't you mention that you use the non long range Tesla with the non aero wheels (adding cost and reducing range)?
Feels like much of this video was comparing charging networks, not cars. Charging networks will evolve with time. In Australia the Seal Premium is cheaper than the Model 3, and many of us charge primarily in our driveway or garage, so the Seal is more competitive unless you are constantly driving between cities.
The new model 3, basically, almost everything is done on the touch screen, that's just a big NO to me, even watching the speed on that screen was bad already! No hard feelings to Testa lovers :), just a personal opinion!
Fantastic evaluation of the 3 EVs and really help us to chose the most reliable, economical and ergonomic. Tesla Model 3 is still the best :) thanks guys
VW ID.7 is clearly the larger car - especially rear seating, fairly roomy. Just a larger car.
VW ID7 is for a good reason more expensive compared to the M3 - it is simply much bigger and in another class. 😅
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Lets be honest the starting prices make the tesla the no brainer, go to option.
If you're thinking like that, factor in depreciation, and reconsider a diesel or petrol car.
@@FirstLast-rh9jwAh yes luxury diesel cars... known for their low depreciation
what a great video, and good to see the experience you all were having during the trip (for good or bad)
Thanks for a nice test/review👍
Been driving EV since october 2014:
Kia Soul 2 years
Hyundai Ioniq 2 years
Tesla Model 3 2 years
2021 VW ID4 first Max edition with «all» extra: sold it after 2, TWO months, and after that:
Ordered Tesla Model Y.
Now that has 46000 km, had been to service senter because of a message about supercharging, fixed in one day.
My next car will be Tesla Model Y Juniper or Tesla Model 2.
Guaranteed no VW.
great video, but I think you should've done a comparison between the similar models top trim to top trim or most range to most range because you compared the most range trim the seal have to the least range trim the model 3 have.
also it would have been awesome if the data was more comprehensive like what was the length on the test track the cars have done and total kWh like in the road trip weather conditions etc.
other then that it was a great and informative test
The ID.7 naturally consumed more energy because it is a bigger car with more space to heat in the cabin. You should have compared it to the Tesla Model S and the BYD Han. Also, Tesla Superchargers have no price advantage over other operators here in Finland.
Where I live they try to price the ID7 with the Tesla3/y - I am super disappointed in the efficiency of the ID7 vs. claimed.
The size of the ID7 is easily balanced out by the stronger performance of the BYD Seals.
@@NissinXXX What are you trying to say? If you need a big car, a smaller one won't do, regardless of performance.
The higher the power, the higher the consumption. The ID7 may be larger, but the Seal is significantly more powerful. This therefore balances each other out. In the end, the BYD is significantly more efficient than the VW.. @@jansq2205
Yeah but having the range be literally cut in half of what the car was supposed to do is pretty catastrophic. It manages to do only 200 miles on a single charge, on a pretty decent winter day (sunny, no bad road conditions, no snowing or rain)! Practically from 5% to 80% you gotta charge the damn thing every 150 miles.
And their Pro S ID7 model only offers 9kwh more which will add around 25miles to the total. This is their top of the range car, isn't it?
A Model 3 long range can beat it and so can a Model S, by doing extra 100 to 120 miles on that no problem.
That's very disappointing on VW's part.
BYD is beautiful
Fantastic video, really informative and useful when trying to compare different EVs
Great comparison video … Thoughts- how can the VWcost so much and deliver so little, really a hard sell. Tesla amazing good value, presume that wasn’t the long range? And the BYD seriously impressive. People used to joke about Chinese cars, but just like Korean before them, they will quickly become mainstream..
The ID7 should be compared to the Model S, the Model 3 is much smaller.
Did the ID.7 have a heat pump?
26:00 “The Model 3 is king of EVs and it will take something really sensational to change that.”
It already has changed. The Model Y is not just the king of EVs, it is the best selling car model on earth. Not the Honda Civic, not a Toyota Corolla or RAV4.
I have had three Model S, 2013, 2016 and 2022, but I think my next one will be a Model Y.
Incidentally, I get 4.5 miles/kWh around town and 3.9 - 4.0 on cross country trips. I don’t expect to beat that in the Model Y.
Awesome video gives clarity and the Tesla model 3 is still the best value for your money and has a better software platform to upgrade later on.
Id7 is another class. I think its the best looking, And i love the interior
BYD low range is AU$10000 cheaper than Tesla (in Australia) so different proposition here
The only caveat I would have made was that the Seal was single motor rear wheel drive. Especially in the price comparison and efficiency. Great video.
So was the Tesla
I think the caveat is when they compared the efficiency miles/kW. Vehicle weight (battery pack weight) has a big impact on efficiency. I guess that is probably one of the reason ID4 is so off from other two because it is claimed to have longest range in full charge (largest battery pack).
Well done guys ! A very good (and usefull) video. Thanks.
Dont you have charging cards in the uk that Work on all Chargers (Shell, ChargePoint) ?