What I love most about my OLED is not the HDR (which is still amazing), but the black levels and the colors. You benefit from it even when not consuming HDR content which, for me at least, is 90% of my use case. After 3 years I'm still stunned when I can't see the edges of my screen when it's displaying something on a black background in the dark.
Yeah, I just went from a Mini-LED which I returned for an OLED. I was impressed by the HDR brightness of Mini-LED, like looking at the sun would actually blind you this part has been very disappointing with my new OLED. However, OLED takes the win in every other category except burn in and subpixel layout. My OLED monitor feels like a portal into the game, whilst the MiniLED truly felt like a screen. Probably the best purchase ive done. OLED wouldve been perfect if it didnt suffer from burn in, got as bright as MiniLED and if there was a way to get a matte monitor without the MURA
@@YucciAs of last month, there’s been some pretty intriguing breakthrough. Researchers at Cambridge have found a way to make blue sub-pixels - the most unstable sub-pixels that contribute the most to burn-in - much more efficient, durable, and simplified. When this solution gets implemented into OLED monitors, they’ll be more energy-efficient, have an improved longevity, while also being cheaper. The future seems pretty exciting. I’m on an old 4K60 IPS myself, hoping to upgrade to a 1440p 360Hz OLED by 2028 for ≤€500.
Would be nice if the Samsung QLED's could come in both Mat coated and Glossy so people have a choice. I really don't want a glossy computer screen. I do have the possibility to cover my windows for direct sunlight and generally have some very good Phillips Hue light in the room that don't create problems cause the LED's is behind a matt plastic shielding which create just about zero reflections with a standard mat coated LCD screen but generally I don't like a monitor screen that you use at about 60cm from your eyes to be glossy. It's ok for for the bigger 50-75" screens you use for your flatscreen in the living room where you sit much longer away from the screen but its an absolutely no go for me with close up usage. It looks like the new QLED 4K panels comming up this year has gotten to a point where text clarity is very acceptable, even an old LCD screen still is better, but I really don't want a glossy screen
For me aside from those obvious benefits, just the motion clarity that we lost from CRTs that LCDs ruined it OLED is finally here. Just need proper BFI on them.
Firmware updates are definitely a key feature, can 100% agree with that. I bought a KTC M27T20 and during my research I did see some users reporting issues with Backlight flickering when HDR was on. Then I saw after they had reports that they pushed out a firmware for all current monitors out there and updated the firmware on the new ones they were bringing to stock. The one I had came with that issue and I followed the firmware update for the monitor and I am beyond pleased with this product. Probably might get a second one since the pricing on the monitor has gone down in recent times as well.
The PG32UCDM has broken HDR that got half-fixed by a new firmware update which also broke the KVM and USB hub which now requires another firmware update to fully fix the HDR and restore the KVM and USB features.... So yes firmware updates matter.
@@LexLuthaI have now FO32U2P and it was best decision. 0 Issues, hdr works as intended, 0 bugs with firmware and it looks so clean and modern and its $100 cheaper
Over here in the UK, there is currently very little indication that a plethora of 32" 4K OLED monitors exist, apart from 1 or 2 big retailers having a "Pre-order" option for a single model
In my experience having owned dozens of OLED and FALD LCD's comes down to this: if you primarily game with dark content and/or game during the night, OLED is a clear winner. If you have brighter/outdoor type games or mainly game during the day in a room with windows that lets daylight in, go for the FALD LCD.
I currently own 4 mini led and 4 oled displays and I mostly agree with you. No perfect display though oled TV’s get close as their brightness is better maintained with higher apl then current oled monitors. Anyway, I swap between my displays depending on the game.
@@Kmaitland89it’s pretty easy to understand. More light in the room = OLED looks dimmer. My monitor has 347nit FSB and looks dim, and the AW2725DF’s is 210. That’s why I’m scared to even try it. I own a 77” C1 in my living room so I’m well aware of how dim they can get and look dim if there’s light in the room. Also burn-in from working or browsing the web. Pretty big issues to completely dismiss.
Honestly what I like about HDR is that it makes bright sunlight look like real sunlight. I did not have that experience with my LG OLED TVs. They look amazing but they don’t give me that wow factor with sunlight. On the other hand my LCD Sony Bravia has it. Too bad blacks are gray. All in all I prefer OLED, hands down. But I understand why someone could think LCD is better for them. Cheers.
The thing a lot of monitor (and TV) buyers fail to consider is their ability to _see_ what the screen is capable of presenting. Seeing what the screen presents boils down to two factors: 1) a person's visual acuity, and 2) a person's training and experience (in other words, knowing what to look for). Avoid being oversold on a monitor's specs and reviews; get your actual eyes on competing units if you can, and buy accordingly. It makes no sense to spend a lot of money on a monitor whose best qualities are lost on your eyes.
@@vane909090 The content only needs to support normal DV for IQ to work but the display of course needs to support IQ. Do you know if the new 4k 32" ones support it?
Me too but unfortunately there aren’t proper Mini LED HDR monitor. The one with the most dimming zones (5088) is from Redmagic but that monitor is mainly available in china I believe
@@emiel255 Zone count is only one variable. That Redmagic monitor is an IPS monitor with 1 LED per zone, while most have 4 LEDs per zone, which makes a significant difference in zone control. According to a Chinese review, a modern 400-zone VA mini-LED has better lighting control than an older 2000-zone IPS mini-LED, so the native contrast of the panel, and how the panel is driven, makes a huge difference in reducing blooming. As the person above me said, the Neo G monitors are still class-leading as mini-LEDs. It's a bit odd that Samsung hasn't released an updated model, honestly. If they made a new generation with fixed scanlines and QC issues, fine-tuned response time performance for 240 Hz and maybe a gentler curve (~1800R), they'd have a killer product. But there are also affordable 1440p VA mini-LEDs if you want to dip your toes in: AOC Q27G3XMN, KTC M27T20, Koorui GN10 to name the ones I'm aware of. To compare the backlight "resolution," in the Neo G7/8 (1196 backlights) each backlight is ~83² pixels, whereas in e.g. the Koorui (384) it's ~98². KTC is 80² and AOC 105². Smaller is better, obviously. Use that and your local pricing to figure out what's best for you.
I picked a mini-led with lots of dimming zones, looks almost as good as an OLED, and I also play games with a lot bright highlights and snow/ice content so it made sense for me. Plus I don't have to babysit my monitor or worry about image retention. I still wanna try an OLED one day, though.
The lack of 38" 1600p ultrawide monitors has indeed been disappointing. I waited for ages for one such (OLED) panel to appear, until I begrudgingly opted for the 42" LG C2. Well, now I'm glad I bought it - it makes for a fantastic 4K / 3840x1600 ultrawide mixed use monitor, depending on the game. At some point I see myself upgrading to one of the upcoming 39" 5120x2160 240hz ultrawide monitors, but for now I couldn't be happier.
thank you for the detailed answer, giving examples like subtitle blooming and snowy scenes in HDR were quite useful. from what you've mentioned seems the OLED (QD-OLED) is the way to go for my use case. I really appreciate it, Mr Tim.
All new QD-OLED monitors have faint vertical lines (not banding) in moving content, especially in dark/foggy scenes. Glossy WOLED would be the best, but there is only the Asus XG27AQDMG so far.
Thanks for answering my question, Tim! You were of course right, I'm currently using a WOLED. 4K is where I'd ultimately like to be, and your opinion on what all to consider regarding upgrading this year versus waiting was very helpful! Cheers!
Had a KTC 27" oled that was very underwhelming, and was just using a G8 OLED, and returned both in favor of a Acer XV275k p3, the brightness on the XV is just so much better than what I was getting on the 2 oled's. Plus the 4k just makes details in Star Citizen look amazing. Peak 50% Window brightness for the XV275k is 1,725 cd/m² and for the G8 OLED that is 302 cd/m². Night and day difference to me, even being in a light controlled room.
I have the same monitor. Tim refuses to recommend it (despite it topping the charts in many of his categories and being featured prominently in the b roll here) do to its quirks. But anyone who has used it knows that the quirks pale in comparison to the benefits.
@@Keivz Tbf I think it's baffling that the Acer doesn't have working Auto HDR. Even my "random Chinese brand" Koorui GN10 monitor has working Auto HDR that turns on when Windows HDR is turned on (Win+Alt+B), so you don't need to touch the OSD to turn it on. And the OSD is reasonably easy and snappy to use, and lets you set some shortcut buttons. Really the Acer is an amazing panel let down by bad OSD (and Acer doesn't have a history of firmware updates); I'd reckon it's great for anyone who only rarely needs to turn on HDR.
I deliberately picked a gaming laptop with mini LED rather than OLED last year. I'm very pleased with my decision. The matt finish is much better for me than a shiny/reflective OLED. I've got no complaints about colour accuracy etc.
I own an OG AW3423DW and prior to a firmware update I discovered I could actually apply to my machine, I had issues with Apple Music's DRM interrupting the monitor signal somehow, not to mention the persistent pixel/panel refresh issues (where it would bug me about doing so after I woke the machine up after an extended period away, then shut down the screen instead of sleeping). So yeah, prior to this screen I'd never have thought about updating the screen firmware, but now I understand and appreciate.
Even in bright games, the drastically increased contrast in OLED monitors definitely makes them worthwhile (and this coming from someone who generally plays brighter games). The image really just has so much more depth in any areas that have even slightly dark content. I sometimes miss my ultra-bright "HDR" gaming IPS, but I'd never go back.
3:50 I make my subtitles near black, with a thin full-black outline. They are a dark gray, just bright enough so they can be read if you look at them directly, even if they're on a black background. This removes the distraction if you're trying to focus on the image, and at the same time doesn't mess with the dynamic range of the scene I'm looking at. As a side effect, it does not induce blooming into the image, which is something you talk about here. Essentially it will be the image that's blooming into the subtitle, which is a non-issue.
i was considering the latest oled monitors but i got scared away by the burn-in issues, and all the annoying stuff you’re supposed to do to prevent it from happening. mini LED is currently the best option for mixed use (i.e. 9-to-5 job plus gaming)
The information about Dolby Vision was very informative and answered my biggest concern in regards to PG32UCDM vs PG32UCDP. I was already leaning towards the latter due to both WOLED and matte finish (given the amount of light in my room, and some other less relevant factors). The video about the impact of DP 1.4 with DSC compared to DP 2.1 (to which I'd add that Nvidia recently changed things and according to their statement from a few months ago, now only monitors with DSC that need 2 DisplayPort cables do not work with DSR and DLDSR) also answered my concerns about the ASUS monitors compared to alternatives that do have DP 2.1 already. As always when I'm researching monitors your videos proved to be super useful. Admittedly I'm only upgrading next year (which is why waiting for the PG32UCDP isn't a concern) as I'm waiting for RTX 5000 series, which may or may not include DP 2.1. Which may require reevaluation of the whole DisplayPort question, but then again maybe ASUS will release a revision of these two monitors as well (and throw in Dolby Vison to the WOLED model for good measure). But for the tentative plans based on currently available products, that about settles the questions I still had.
And model names for USA and EUROPE are different names .. sometimes on TV too so you watch a review and you're not capable to buy it on your region or you need so much time to discover whats the name Is just a lost sell, i skipped to buy so much stuff when i see that usa and euro names skew are different
When you love something tech-related it just becomes natural to you, happens to me with crt monitors, i can spell the Intergraph Interview 28HD96 off the top of my head, and im sure that a lot of subs from the main channel can easily spell their favorite motherboard models which for people that are not into pc hardware would seem like a bunch of randomly put together numbers.
I just purchased the Rog 32uq because the looming threat of burn in would always be in the back of my mind (regardless of the care features they now include). The very moment that an oled model drops and it’s confirmed burn in no longer is a factor I will purchase immediately
Every new video Tim puts out makes me more and more happy that he joined hardware unboxed when he did. Monitors unboxed has gained a lot of subscribers very fast and it deserves it! Thank you for all of your hard work!
@monitorsunboxed Why there is no project for an open firmware and HW to build a DIY PC monitor where you select the panel and you drive it how you want from an open firmware ? It is too much, too difficult no interest ? I would like to separate panels and driving capability, and i think being open can fix so many issue with the various HDR calibration and all What you think ?
Still have the origional Samsung Odessey G7 and will wait until 4K OLEDs drop in price. Hopefully there'll be some good deals by the end of the year. Would be nice to match up with a 5080.
Miss the spot, but I would like to ask if you have any plan to update your HDR evaluation going forward? With most of high end display being OLED, I don't think saying 'OLED pixel-level control allows for suprior images in challenging HDR scenes like Christmas light or Starfield' is very useful anymore. They all are. I think your channel could benefit from borrowing some of the methodology from the TV review channel (when it comes to OLED HDR), something that based more on side-by-side real scenes, maybe even master your video in HDR if you can to show just different across various OLED monitor when it comes to HDR.
7:05 💯 When I updated my monitor from 12 year old 144hz tn to then-main screen fast 1440 ips with VRR, I lost my mind with the improvement to the experience. Then I went to a G9 OLED a few months ago and lost my mind again. It's night and day... On Crematoria 😂. I've been urging my best friend to pick up an OLED because it's really remarkable and I'm glad you mentioned it's probably the most drastic improvement.
I will go from 60hz 14ms response time, 34ms input lag to the new gigabyte 4k 240hz oled coming end of april to me And I play Quake Champions and Doom Eternal and Racing games. The difference must be insane for me :D
@@De-M-oN It's pure kino my friend. It flows like jelly. FPS games you feel it most, but it affects anything you see. Websites scroll cleanly, colors are bright, and the motion... I hope you don't freak out as much as I did hahaha.
The other thing about non standardized resolutions is scaling in games becomes a massive pain in the ass for game development, games are going to stick with 1080/1440/2160p scaling directly, anything in between is going to have alot less support as it requires even more work on the game dev side of things.
Lg c2 still has been the best purchase for me, even better for my gaming experience than my rtx 4090. I have a black wallpaper and a transparent app to avoid burn ins… yea sometimes I end up turning my tv off because I forgot its already on lol.
THIS. This has been my main topic regarding PC hardware for months now! I have the INNOCN 32M2V MiniLED for testing at home right now and it's OLED counterpart, the Gigabyte Aorus FO32U2, will arrive at my doorstep tomorrow. The INNOCN has impressed me deeply with breathtaking HDR performance and great image quality overall, GtG performance could be better and it has a very lackluster, barebone OSD system setup. Really looking forward to the Gigabyte OLED especially regarding the deep, inky blacks and impeccable 240Hz performance
Hi, I have a small idea for a Video about monitor calibration. Id love to see a comparison of different calibration devices. I am currently looking for one of these devices but so far I wasnt able to find a detailed comparison of them and the softwares they come with, in terms of post calibration accuracy. Most videos only show marketing images and talk about the packaging contents but nobody is comparing the accuracy. I believe you guys have some pretty good devices to accurately test the accuracy :) Im sure Im not the only one who would be interested in this kind of video as you mention color calibration in basically every test. So maybe this is could be a good idea for an upcoming video ;D Id be happy if you could make this wish come true keep up the great work and quality!
1600p oled @ 27in hell I would love 1800p at 27in, 27in is just the max for fps games 24in is still around purely for fps, myself included I still own my xg2431 1080p 240hz 24in for competitive games
Ya, the oversaturation of products with many company's is just ridiculous, whether it's Laptops, Desktops, or Monitors. Monitors and Laptops especially they should have like ONLY 6 Monitors and 6 Laptops Spec Tiered High to low depending on your budget. The Monitors are actually 3 Versions, but it's 6 because each version has a Matte and Glossy Version you can choose from of the 3 Monitors, and of course versions at different sizes of each. That's literally ALL we need. They make "1" Monitor, and ONLY have versions based on Feature Set's, aka number and type of ports etc. and sizes.
Really, really needed this video! Trying to research and finally purchase a 4k panel for gaming (upgrade from GSYNC module high refresh 1440p LCD), and terrified from the billions of choices, (many expensive, and others too cheap and suspect.)
The problem with designing products based on prior sales data is that it only reflects flawed prior designs, not looking at the potential sales based on offering aspects people crave suchas the best quality image, fastest display, 4k 120htz + HDMI sockets, quality built in speakers and professional design that LG offers. Power & data USB C, Dolby Vision, Native Glossy, 4K, 31.5 inch screen.
Many many games have a high APL actually from my experience. Basically most things open world, be it Horizon, Hogwarts Legacy and even cyberpunk in the day outside. Besides every game that plays outside at daytime has a very different impact in miniLED, especially if your room is not pitch black. To even come close to my monitor with my OLED TV, I have to completely darken the room so that basically no light is coming in. Additionally whenever the content is slightly brighter than black, you basically never see the blooming in only really comes into play when the content is quite dark. Also PS5 has no support for Dolby Vision. And on the Xbox Dolby Vision just seems to basically darken the whole picture and not much more, there's some testing from HDTVTest. Also DV is not the only Dynamic HDR format, HDR10+ is just as good, but it has less content available (although I think Apple TV+ recently pushed it quite a bit) and on the monitor side I think only Samsung supports it and also not every source device supports it, like only PCs with NVIDIA GPUs and most media players other than the NV Shield.
How many FALD Zones does an LCD have to have in order to be able to compare/compete with an OLED and almost completely eliminate blooming and other artifacts that come with FALD?
Whatever it is, current monitors don’t get there. My guess is close to a million (though dual layer lcd will also get you there-they just don’t make them anymore). Techless did a video where he tried to come up with that number and I think he said a million+ would be close enough
Depends a lot on the algorithm. My 85"X95K competes with my LG C1 OLED and it only has 700ish dimming zones. Some monitors out perform others with the same 1000ish dimming zones. Algorithm is key, but dimming zones can help as well.
As an OLED TV owner in Europe where the 4K OLED monitors are overpriced, I ended up going for a VA mini-LED for now. I wanted a smaller flat panel that would later serve as a 2nd monitor, so I ended up going for the 1440p Koorui GN10, which according to DisplayNinja is the only 240 Hz VA mini-LED apart from Samsung's Neo G8/9. It was also very affordable here compared to the competition, even the AOC Q27G3XMN that it beats in every way on the spec sheet. My main concern is there aren't really any proper reviews of the monitor out there, so how it compares to other monitors in tuning, backlight control etc. is a bit of a mystery. I'm guessing it's not easy to obtain in Australia, but if it ever is, it would be interesting to see a review of it.
Contrast is usually always better with the va panel while blooming suppression is often slightly better (not always, see the Samsung Neo g7 rtings review) with va panel. Ktc has one of both but in 1440p and 4k but 27”.
The PG32UCDM has broken HDR compared to the MSI and AW in certain scenes, ASUS has acknowledged it and has put out a firmware update that didn't fully fix it yet and broke many other things, are you going to cover that?
Samsung Odyssey monitors need firmware updates. It helps with scan lines, VRR, HDR, response time, etc. I wouldn't say it doesn't work without updates but the firmware updates do help with buyers remorse when your setup isn't working as well for you as it is for everyone else.
11:37 , i believe LG has already startet refreshing their panels with MLA tech. so on the Woled side, waiting for a monitor with mla is definitly a significant upgrade.
I think a good branding for monitord would be like : - ASUS Bureau/Office : for 60hz "bad" displays that are just there to show what happens on the computer - ASUS Premium : 90-144hz monitors separated in two types, ones for professionals with a simple design and one for gamers with rgb etc... - ASUS Pro (very apple-ish branding) : high end professional monitors - ASUS e-sport/gaming : 240-inf refresh rates, ultra low latency and all of that And all of these would have the size next to the main name, then the name of the pannel type (lcd, qdoled etc...) and then the year and that's it. And also the resolution somewhere with hd, qhd, uhd etc... Just by the name you would know approximately the price, the type of panel, the size, the resolution and how old it is.
Struggling finding a mini LED 4k display that I like. The Innocn 27 inch that has over 1000 dimming zones sounds great, but it can only do 144hz on an nvidia gpu and it’s a bit of a dealbreaker. Nothing else in the mini led space comes close.
I would love a mini-LED monitor in the 43"-ish size class because I very much want to avoid the burn-in issue with OLED (I use my screen for WFH office work, lots of static windows, etc). For now I'll stick with my Samsung QN90B 43" TV until such a product exists.
I've been trying to look into switching from my 34inch ultrawide and going back to a 16:9 display. I've been interested in a 32 inch 4k monitor, however I'm really not a fan of the text issues on OLED's. Hopefully I can find something that's really great
@@PrestoJacobson it causes my eyes to strain pretty badly, even years later it bothers me unless I wear glasses while no other screen does the same thing. Also, I’m really tired of poor implementation of ultra wide support or no way of making old games work on ultra wides in the event there are no fan mods to fix it
Biggest pet peeve is right on the mark! They are just overcooking all the different little parts just make a good solid 4-6 models in the line up and you are cooking. It's easy to understand for the consumer and we don't get duped on buying something without a port you might need.
Finally got 2 monitors due to your channel, an lg c3 tv for media/ps5 and whatever lg calls it 240hz 1440p lcd for general use (finally on sale again) im sadly an mmorpg gamer so 2 oled wouldnt be smart. Too high of a risk of burn in from static hud elements at the current price point, maybe in the future when oleds are cheaper/run better for games with static huds
The best IPS monitors (such as BenQ sw272U, ENZO 2740, ...) are still the most accurate for photo editing. And they do not tire the eyes. OLED monitors will be able to achieve better color uniformity and accurate color reproduction (for example, Adobe RGB)? And separately, I would like to see an overview of flicker and the effect of OLED monitors on eye fatigue..
Regarding the 1600p Ultrawides - I'm keeping an eye on those for some time, and while the 38'' LG that came out 3-4 years ago (the GN, not the GL version) would pretty much hit all my needs, I find it hard to validate paying the cost that - as of the current prices of the 34'' GN850 - would make it twice as expensive, and also quite a lot higher than even the OLEDs like the Alienware DWF. I've seen that LG is suppousedly having some new models (with a 2000:1 contrast) in production this year, if they price it with the fact that affordable 34'' 1440p IPS models (that have similar overall performance...), as well as OLEDs - exist, then I gladly buy one. If not...well, the 34'' 850-P is still a pretty decent monitor, no?
whatever said and done i guess the OLEDs are not ready yet since for that price tag it does not suffice for the burn-in risks you will have and the anxiety it creates plus the focus and care you have to give fr that panel, instead of enjoying you will end up thinking too much abou the screen itself. for now the MINI leds will do the job.
Tbh, supporting all sorts of odd resolutions is pretty taxing from the software side and from the user side can be quite a headache if that resolution isn't mainstream. I'm all for standard resolutions, 38" 1600p just isn't really necessary.
Agreed in a world where AI upscaling exists there's no need for all of these weird rendering resolutions that are basically just Band-Aids for poor GPU performance
I have never gotten a mini-LED without dead pixels. They let you send them back usually, but time after time of returning it I kept getting replacements that had larger patches of dead pixels. I'm never getting a mini-LED monitor again, I've only had this issue with them. Not IPS and not VA.
I want more mini-LED options just because I use my main system for mixed usage. I don't watch movies on it, but I do play games and I do content creation and productivity. The sub-pixel layout of OLED just doesn't make it an option for me, and mini-LED isn't that much of a compromise for gaming.
I find the concept of mini-LED just complete hackery. I don't think they will be with us much longer. Expensive to produce. Causes a lot of lag. It doesn't actually solve the problem as it still has tons of bleeding arount bright spots. Many more components that can break. I think mini-LED monitors will be squeezed out of the market in two years when OLEDs with a more conventional RGB stripe hit the market.
@@a5cent brands are going deeper into miniLED, probably due to more room for growth. TCL, Hisense, Samsung and now Sony and LG are expanding the miniLED lineups. So miniLED is here for the foreseeable future. Cost comes down with availability. OLED isn't exactly cheap either. Local dimming does not cause enough lag to be detrimental to the experience and varies per unit like most displays. With local dimming enabled there is no bleeding. You may be referring to blooming or haloing, but those issues are not existent depending on the producers algorithm. Many more components that can break? In comparison to what? You can repair a backlight, but you can't repair degraded OLEDs. Just a weak point overall. miniLED monitors are just hitting larger markets outside of Asia where they're already doing well. OLED has a place, and miniLED has a place. Both with strengths and weaknesses. I enjoy my 85" miniLED TV more than my LG C1 or any OLED since then. The HDR is just on another level and the SDR performance is excellent. So no, you're not going to be able to bs me when I own both technologies.
@@DrakonR lol You are only BSing yourself. Did you say the same thing about plasma displays? To be clear, in the television market I think mini-LED will stick around for quite some time yet, but I'm not talking about the television market. This is a YT channel about computer monitors, and it's only in that market where the end of mini-LED is already foreseeable, precisely because the technology has no place. There is nothing mini-LED does better than OLED or micro-LED. No matter what you want, one of those two technologies will be the better high-end choice, and mini-LED will never play at the low-end.
I’ve got the AW3423DW and it badly needs a usb port to update the firmware. It constantly gets stuck in a sort of standby power mode where the only way to wake it up is to unplug it, wait for 15seconds and then replug it in.
Finally someone explained a comparison between monitor upgrade and GPU upgrade. I've been telling for years that getting a better monitor improves your gaming experience more, than one tier bump in graphic settings and/or few more fps. So good to know Tim has the same opinion
Wondering if its worth doing a video on monitor stands - Price, features, all other buying considerations? I'm looking to get one soon and at the same time wondering if dual monitor set up is something i need which then opens up options from a stand perspective. Just thoughts :)
Hello! Love your work. I have recently bought a AGON AOC PRO AG344UXM. It's a 34 inch UWQHD with a QD mini-led IPS panel. It is fantastic at the price I got it. Would love to see you have a look at it. I think it's a great alternative to OLEDs for a hybrid, work orientated set up! The MSRP is high but is on sale constantly
good thing i have never seen an oled screen, maybe in a shop, without knowing what it is. So i can enjoy my 165hz 32 inch 1440p curved VA panel.. I was also interested about that 27 inch 350 buck true hD AOC screen, but i wasnt still available, so i bought the 32, and i have to say im glad, the screen size is just great.
I hope you do test the LG 27gr95um (the mini-led LG monitor you mentioned). It is such a frustrating display for me due to HDR Gamer 1 & 2 presets having an inverse ABL that greatly dims the entire screen (and keeps it that way) any time dark areas are present (any games that have contrast basically). For example, if you switch from "Gamer 2" to the HDR preset right under it in the menu("FPS" )during gameplay, the brightness seems to double (the gama and contrast of the 3 HDR presets don't seem to be as affected by the ABL, but they have bad gama, contrast, and color settings that cannot be adjusted). Also, according to an Asian reviewer(English subtitles) who measured the brightness of each preset, the nits of those particular presets do not reach the advertised 1000 (only Gamer 2 has the VESA cert.). With it's current state(post firmware update from Feb), I'd be surprised if Gamer 2 hits 1000 nits in a game. Sorry for the lengthy comment. So frustrating that LG has seemingly abandoned a $1200 monitor and left it in a bad state.
LG definitely needs to get that sorted out. Might be an algorithm issue so it could take some time to sort out. LG is bringing back miniLED to its TV line up so at least they're acknowledging a demand exists. The LG issues are really edging me towards TCL when they hit the market as they have a decent background in the TV line up so it should translate well to the monitors hopefully. Would love to see a new lineup from Sony monitors as well since my 85"X95Ks miniLED algorithm is damn near perfect for a wide range of content.
Got the LG OLED 27gr95qe-b a year ago and I hate it, its too dimm, certain modes look terrible to my taste, Vivid mode is the only mode I liked. Had to get an IPS monitor again.
@@DrakonR Yeah...LG seem to be making a lot of head-scratching choices lately. I know TCL is coming out with a couple of high-end mini-leds (a 27" 4K & an ultra-wide 3440×1440p). I'm not sure if they are IPS or VA though. I know they have more dimming zones than the current batch of mini-leds by Innocn, KTC, etc.
@@AlejandroMartinez-yv1gh LG used to make bright, vivid displays (the 27gp950 used to be my favorite monitor, and it still has a great SDR picture). Now it seems they are going for the dimmest displays with the thickest matte coatings ..blah.
@@timholt78 true, they make beautiful tvs. Have a C1 and picture clarity is amazing and very bright. That’s why I bought one of their OLED monitors, I thought it was gonna be just like their tv displays and I was so wrong. Feel like I wasted my money now Im stuck with that trash monitor. I’d rather play in my asus rog 1080 240hz IPS monitor which Im currently using, the OLED one is collecting dust right now
Yes. To help get your terminology straight: DolbyVision, HDR10 and HDR10+ are protocolls. They define how the data stream sent between source and display is encoded. Any display that supports one of those protocolls can display HDR content. Of course, both source and display must support the same type of data stream. A display that only understands DolbyVision won't work with a source that can only provide HDR10. Just note that the ability to accept a HDR data stream tells you nothing about whether the display can actually give you a picture worthy of being called HDR.
@@thicklips LG 42” C2 won vs Pro Art PA32UCG-K. I’m very into calibrating my displays and tried giving it a few hundred hours since I spent 3 grand but OLEDS just gorgeous. Last four years I’ve bought Sonys Top End OLED TV’s and couldn’t be happier, love them
You don't even consider the LG 27GS95QE-B, which is a massive upgrade over last years GR version in terms of no ABL, higher brightness and better whites ..
I want to order the alienware aw3225qf so bad but the burn in you got is so bad and the LG C2/C3/C4 are like 1500-1800CAD in Canada vs 800USD in the US
On the oled monitors being so similar to each other vs older panel types? Part of it is 2 LCDs monitors could have the same panel and still be pretty different if their backlights are different. Oleds? Dont have backlights to also bring out differences.
For the last question, Sony's new mini-led technology looks great. It might be able to compete with OLEDs. Maybe they'll use that tech in their monitors.
I got a LG G4 oled tv recently and i have been wondering if i should enable pc dolby vision mode on the TV over HDR when I use it as monitor. Not totally sure if it looks better tho.. I think it does aha
I have a 3840x1600 monitor, and I'll never go less that 1600v again. I'll probably move to 4K the next time I buy monitors, so I will gain vertical but lost width.
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What I love most about my OLED is not the HDR (which is still amazing), but the black levels and the colors. You benefit from it even when not consuming HDR content which, for me at least, is 90% of my use case. After 3 years I'm still stunned when I can't see the edges of my screen when it's displaying something on a black background in the dark.
Yeah, I just went from a Mini-LED which I returned for an OLED. I was impressed by the HDR brightness of Mini-LED, like looking at the sun would actually blind you this part has been very disappointing with my new OLED. However, OLED takes the win in every other category except burn in and subpixel layout.
My OLED monitor feels like a portal into the game, whilst the MiniLED truly felt like a screen. Probably the best purchase ive done. OLED wouldve been perfect if it didnt suffer from burn in, got as bright as MiniLED and if there was a way to get a matte monitor without the MURA
What monitor do you have? :)
@@YucciAs of last month, there’s been some pretty intriguing breakthrough. Researchers at Cambridge have found a way to make blue sub-pixels - the most unstable sub-pixels that contribute the most to burn-in - much more efficient, durable, and simplified. When this solution gets implemented into OLED monitors, they’ll be more energy-efficient, have an improved longevity, while also being cheaper. The future seems pretty exciting. I’m on an old 4K60 IPS myself, hoping to upgrade to a 1440p 360Hz OLED by 2028 for ≤€500.
Would be nice if the Samsung QLED's could come in both Mat coated and Glossy so people have a choice. I really don't want a glossy computer screen. I do have the possibility to cover my windows for direct sunlight and generally have some very good Phillips Hue light in the room that don't create problems cause the LED's is behind a matt plastic shielding which create just about zero reflections with a standard mat coated LCD screen but generally I don't like a monitor screen that you use at about 60cm from your eyes to be glossy. It's ok for for the bigger 50-75" screens you use for your flatscreen in the living room where you sit much longer away from the screen but its an absolutely no go for me with close up usage. It looks like the new QLED 4K panels comming up this year has gotten to a point where text clarity is very acceptable, even an old LCD screen still is better, but I really don't want a glossy screen
For me aside from those obvious benefits, just the motion clarity that we lost from CRTs that LCDs ruined it OLED is finally here. Just need proper BFI on them.
Firmware updates are definitely a key feature, can 100% agree with that. I bought a KTC M27T20 and during my research I did see some users reporting issues with Backlight flickering when HDR was on. Then I saw after they had reports that they pushed out a firmware for all current monitors out there and updated the firmware on the new ones they were bringing to stock. The one I had came with that issue and I followed the firmware update for the monitor and I am beyond pleased with this product. Probably might get a second one since the pricing on the monitor has gone down in recent times as well.
The PG32UCDM has broken HDR that got half-fixed by a new firmware update which also broke the KVM and USB hub which now requires another firmware update to fully fix the HDR and restore the KVM and USB features....
So yes firmware updates matter.
nothing has been fixed lol
I returned mine. HDR was fucked
@@LexLuthaI have now FO32U2P and it was best decision. 0 Issues, hdr works as intended, 0 bugs with firmware and it looks so clean and modern and its $100 cheaper
sounds like they released a monitor to early instead of having it ready out of the box
@@sasuke11457 yeah. I just care more about brightness than anything else. I’m hoping next year will be the best panels yet.
Over here in the UK, there is currently very little indication that a plethora of 32" 4K OLED monitors exist, apart from 1 or 2 big retailers having a "Pre-order" option for a single model
Same in the Netherlands. And prices are rediculous
Good news LG released 4k 32inch dual mode monitor on amazon today
@@lustfulscholar1199 in what country?
@@lePoMo uk
Dell had an Alienware 34” q-oled ultrawide monitor for around £740 recently in the uk, great monitor
In my experience having owned dozens of OLED and FALD LCD's comes down to this: if you primarily game with dark content and/or game during the night, OLED is a clear winner. If you have brighter/outdoor type games or mainly game during the day in a room with windows that lets daylight in, go for the FALD LCD.
I currently own 4 mini led and 4 oled displays and I mostly agree with you. No perfect display though oled TV’s get close as their brightness is better maintained with higher apl then current oled monitors.
Anyway, I swap between my displays depending on the game.
I just can't understand why LCD would be a pick. Even in bright rooms. OLED is pretty superior, even if they can't get that bright.
@@Kmaitland89it’s pretty easy to understand. More light in the room = OLED looks dimmer. My monitor has 347nit FSB and looks dim, and the AW2725DF’s is 210. That’s why I’m scared to even try it. I own a 77” C1 in my living room so I’m well aware of how dim they can get and look dim if there’s light in the room. Also burn-in from working or browsing the web. Pretty big issues to completely dismiss.
@@KeivzI currently own 12 OLEDs and 19 Mini LEDs and I think OLED is far superior while gaming and it's not even close.
Honestly what I like about HDR is that it makes bright sunlight look like real sunlight. I did not have that experience with my LG OLED TVs. They look amazing but they don’t give me that wow factor with sunlight. On the other hand my LCD Sony Bravia has it. Too bad blacks are gray.
All in all I prefer OLED, hands down. But I understand why someone could think LCD is better for them.
Cheers.
Thank you for this - upgrading my monitor in a few weeks, and wondering this exact comparison!!
The thing a lot of monitor (and TV) buyers fail to consider is their ability to _see_ what the screen is capable of presenting. Seeing what the screen presents boils down to two factors: 1) a person's visual acuity, and 2) a person's training and experience (in other words, knowing what to look for). Avoid being oversold on a monitor's specs and reviews; get your actual eyes on competing units if you can, and buy accordingly. It makes no sense to spend a lot of money on a monitor whose best qualities are lost on your eyes.
Dolby Vision IQ changed my life lol. It can make content look very watchable on an OLED even right next to a window during the day.
Is that available on a monitor, or is that a feature exclusive to TVs?
@@selohcin It is, albeit extremely limited. Also very few games (like 6 or 7?) support it.
@@vane909090 The content only needs to support normal DV for IQ to work but the display of course needs to support IQ. Do you know if the new 4k 32" ones support it?
Perfect timing. Looking for Mini-LED LCD lately.
Me too but unfortunately there aren’t proper Mini LED HDR monitor. The one with the most dimming zones (5088) is from Redmagic but that monitor is mainly available in china I believe
Check out HTC HDR1000, excellent ratings all under 400 bucks. I just got one and it's amazing
Samsung Odyssey Neo G7 is pretty good I think.
@@emiel255 Zone count is only one variable. That Redmagic monitor is an IPS monitor with 1 LED per zone, while most have 4 LEDs per zone, which makes a significant difference in zone control. According to a Chinese review, a modern 400-zone VA mini-LED has better lighting control than an older 2000-zone IPS mini-LED, so the native contrast of the panel, and how the panel is driven, makes a huge difference in reducing blooming.
As the person above me said, the Neo G monitors are still class-leading as mini-LEDs. It's a bit odd that Samsung hasn't released an updated model, honestly. If they made a new generation with fixed scanlines and QC issues, fine-tuned response time performance for 240 Hz and maybe a gentler curve (~1800R), they'd have a killer product.
But there are also affordable 1440p VA mini-LEDs if you want to dip your toes in: AOC Q27G3XMN, KTC M27T20, Koorui GN10 to name the ones I'm aware of. To compare the backlight "resolution," in the Neo G7/8 (1196 backlights) each backlight is ~83² pixels, whereas in e.g. the Koorui (384) it's ~98². KTC is 80² and AOC 105². Smaller is better, obviously. Use that and your local pricing to figure out what's best for you.
i’m in america and bought the redmagic from their site, didn’t take much time to ship
I picked a mini-led with lots of dimming zones, looks almost as good as an OLED, and I also play games with a lot bright highlights and snow/ice content so it made sense for me. Plus I don't have to babysit my monitor or worry about image retention. I still wanna try an OLED one day, though.
Which monitor you bought?😊
The lack of 38" 1600p ultrawide monitors has indeed been disappointing. I waited for ages for one such (OLED) panel to appear, until I begrudgingly opted for the 42" LG C2. Well, now I'm glad I bought it - it makes for a fantastic 4K / 3840x1600 ultrawide mixed use monitor, depending on the game. At some point I see myself upgrading to one of the upcoming 39" 5120x2160 240hz ultrawide monitors, but for now I couldn't be happier.
thank you for the detailed answer, giving examples like subtitle blooming and snowy scenes in HDR were quite useful. from what you've mentioned seems the OLED (QD-OLED) is the way to go for my use case. I really appreciate it, Mr Tim.
All new QD-OLED monitors have faint vertical lines (not banding) in moving content, especially in dark/foggy scenes. Glossy WOLED would be the best, but there is only the Asus XG27AQDMG so far.
Thanks for answering my question, Tim! You were of course right, I'm currently using a WOLED. 4K is where I'd ultimately like to be, and your opinion on what all to consider regarding upgrading this year versus waiting was very helpful! Cheers!
Had a KTC 27" oled that was very underwhelming, and was just using a G8 OLED, and returned both in favor of a Acer XV275k p3, the brightness on the XV is just so much better than what I was getting on the 2 oled's. Plus the 4k just makes details in Star Citizen look amazing. Peak 50% Window brightness for the XV275k is 1,725 cd/m² and for the G8 OLED that is 302 cd/m². Night and day difference to me, even being in a light controlled room.
One could argue 300 nits isn't really HDR at all
Peak 50% window stimulus isn't really a good test for HDR. It's a good sdr test though @@MrEorza
I have the same monitor. Tim refuses to recommend it (despite it topping the charts in many of his categories and being featured prominently in the b roll here) do to its quirks. But anyone who has used it knows that the quirks pale in comparison to the benefits.
@@paulcox2447 456 nits at 10% window is also quite bad, there is plenty of content much brighter than that
@@Keivz Tbf I think it's baffling that the Acer doesn't have working Auto HDR. Even my "random Chinese brand" Koorui GN10 monitor has working Auto HDR that turns on when Windows HDR is turned on (Win+Alt+B), so you don't need to touch the OSD to turn it on. And the OSD is reasonably easy and snappy to use, and lets you set some shortcut buttons. Really the Acer is an amazing panel let down by bad OSD (and Acer doesn't have a history of firmware updates); I'd reckon it's great for anyone who only rarely needs to turn on HDR.
Thank you for your hard work, Tim! 🙂
I deliberately picked a gaming laptop with mini LED rather than OLED last year.
I'm very pleased with my decision. The matt finish is much better for me than a shiny/reflective OLED. I've got no complaints about colour accuracy etc.
I own an OG AW3423DW and prior to a firmware update I discovered I could actually apply to my machine, I had issues with Apple Music's DRM interrupting the monitor signal somehow, not to mention the persistent pixel/panel refresh issues (where it would bug me about doing so after I woke the machine up after an extended period away, then shut down the screen instead of sleeping).
So yeah, prior to this screen I'd never have thought about updating the screen firmware, but now I understand and appreciate.
Even in bright games, the drastically increased contrast in OLED monitors definitely makes them worthwhile (and this coming from someone who generally plays brighter games).
The image really just has so much more depth in any areas that have even slightly dark content. I sometimes miss my ultra-bright "HDR" gaming IPS, but I'd never go back.
3:50 I make my subtitles near black, with a thin full-black outline. They are a dark gray, just bright enough so they can be read if you look at them directly, even if they're on a black background. This removes the distraction if you're trying to focus on the image, and at the same time doesn't mess with the dynamic range of the scene I'm looking at. As a side effect, it does not induce blooming into the image, which is something you talk about here. Essentially it will be the image that's blooming into the subtitle, which is a non-issue.
i was considering the latest oled monitors but i got scared away by the burn-in issues, and all the annoying stuff you’re supposed to do to prevent it from happening. mini LED is currently the best option for mixed use (i.e. 9-to-5 job plus gaming)
The information about Dolby Vision was very informative and answered my biggest concern in regards to PG32UCDM vs PG32UCDP. I was already leaning towards the latter due to both WOLED and matte finish (given the amount of light in my room, and some other less relevant factors). The video about the impact of DP 1.4 with DSC compared to DP 2.1 (to which I'd add that Nvidia recently changed things and according to their statement from a few months ago, now only monitors with DSC that need 2 DisplayPort cables do not work with DSR and DLDSR) also answered my concerns about the ASUS monitors compared to alternatives that do have DP 2.1 already. As always when I'm researching monitors your videos proved to be super useful.
Admittedly I'm only upgrading next year (which is why waiting for the PG32UCDP isn't a concern) as I'm waiting for RTX 5000 series, which may or may not include DP 2.1. Which may require reevaluation of the whole DisplayPort question, but then again maybe ASUS will release a revision of these two monitors as well (and throw in Dolby Vison to the WOLED model for good measure). But for the tentative plans based on currently available products, that about settles the questions I still had.
It is crazy how those long/complicated model names roll off your tongue. 🤣
And model names for USA and EUROPE are different names .. sometimes on TV too so you watch a review and you're not capable to buy it on your region or you need so much time to discover whats the name
Is just a lost sell, i skipped to buy so much stuff when i see that usa and euro names skew are different
When you love something tech-related it just becomes natural to you, happens to me with crt monitors, i can spell the Intergraph Interview 28HD96 off the top of my head, and im sure that a lot of subs from the main channel can easily spell their favorite motherboard models which for people that are not into pc hardware would seem like a bunch of randomly put together numbers.
I just purchased the Rog 32uq because the looming threat of burn in would always be in the back of my mind (regardless of the care features they now include). The very moment that an oled model drops and it’s confirmed burn in no longer is a factor I will purchase immediately
Every new video Tim puts out makes me more and more happy that he joined hardware unboxed when he did. Monitors unboxed has gained a lot of subscribers very fast and it deserves it! Thank you for all of your hard work!
I wanna see LEGO Unboxed
We ALL want that 😢
No, not LEGO please.
Lego 😞
What kind of mic are you guys using? Sounds so nice
@monitorsunboxed Why there is no project for an open firmware and HW to build a DIY PC monitor where you select the panel and you drive it how you want from an open firmware ?
It is too much, too difficult no interest ? I would like to separate panels and driving capability, and i think being open can fix so many issue with the various HDR calibration and all
What you think ?
same with the uk in regards to mini LED's. we really only have the coolermaster for mini LED @ 4K in 27"
theres the 4k ktc m27p20 pro which has a really good review on tft central, 1 overdrive mode for all fps, and good post color calibration results.
Still have the origional Samsung Odessey G7 and will wait until 4K OLEDs drop in price. Hopefully there'll be some good deals by the end of the year. Would be nice to match up with a 5080.
Miss the spot, but I would like to ask if you have any plan to update your HDR evaluation going forward? With most of high end display being OLED, I don't think saying 'OLED pixel-level control allows for suprior images in challenging HDR scenes like Christmas light or Starfield' is very useful anymore. They all are.
I think your channel could benefit from borrowing some of the methodology from the TV review channel (when it comes to OLED HDR), something that based more on side-by-side real scenes, maybe even master your video in HDR if you can to show just different across various OLED monitor when it comes to HDR.
Thanks for the video.
Looking for mini LED IPS ultrawide 1440p!
34’ 1600p would be great 😃
7:05 💯 When I updated my monitor from 12 year old 144hz tn to then-main screen fast 1440 ips with VRR, I lost my mind with the improvement to the experience.
Then I went to a G9 OLED a few months ago and lost my mind again. It's night and day... On Crematoria 😂.
I've been urging my best friend to pick up an OLED because it's really remarkable and I'm glad you mentioned it's probably the most drastic improvement.
I will go from 60hz 14ms response time, 34ms input lag to the new gigabyte 4k 240hz oled coming end of april to me
And I play Quake Champions and Doom Eternal and Racing games. The difference must be insane for me :D
@@De-M-oN It's pure kino my friend. It flows like jelly. FPS games you feel it most, but it affects anything you see. Websites scroll cleanly, colors are bright, and the motion...
I hope you don't freak out as much as I did hahaha.
Of course that was a big upgrade, you went from a mid-tier display to a high end one.
The other thing about non standardized resolutions is scaling in games becomes a massive pain in the ass for game development, games are going to stick with 1080/1440/2160p scaling directly, anything in between is going to have alot less support as it requires even more work on the game dev side of things.
Lg c2 still has been the best purchase for me, even better for my gaming experience than my rtx 4090. I have a black wallpaper and a transparent app to avoid burn ins… yea sometimes I end up turning my tv off because I forgot its already on lol.
I love my Ultrawide 38" 1600p monitor. But its depressing to see that its an unpopular format
THIS. This has been my main topic regarding PC hardware for months now! I have the INNOCN 32M2V MiniLED for testing at home right now and it's OLED counterpart, the Gigabyte Aorus FO32U2, will arrive at my doorstep tomorrow. The INNOCN has impressed me deeply with breathtaking HDR performance and great image quality overall, GtG performance could be better and it has a very lackluster, barebone OSD system setup. Really looking forward to the Gigabyte OLED especially regarding the deep, inky blacks and impeccable 240Hz performance
Hi, I have a small idea for a Video about monitor calibration. Id love to see a comparison of different calibration devices. I am currently looking for one of these devices but so far I wasnt able to find a detailed comparison of them and the softwares they come with, in terms of post calibration accuracy. Most videos only show marketing images and talk about the packaging contents but nobody is comparing the accuracy. I believe you guys have some pretty good devices to accurately test the accuracy :) Im sure Im not the only one who would be interested in this kind of video as you mention color calibration in basically every test. So maybe this is could be a good idea for an upcoming video ;D
Id be happy if you could make this wish come true
keep up the great work and quality!
+1 for 1600p. I'm waiting for a 1600p OLED to upgrade.
1600p at 34"
1600p oled @ 27in hell I would love 1800p at 27in, 27in is just the max for fps games 24in is still around purely for fps, myself included I still own my xg2431 1080p 240hz 24in for competitive games
@@puffyipsUW res on a 27" monitor defeats the entire purpose of being UW. 🤦♂️
@@puffyipssame here, got the LG Oled 27” monitor and my aim feels weird. Went back to my ROG 24” 1080 240hz
Ya, the oversaturation of products with many company's is just ridiculous, whether it's Laptops, Desktops, or Monitors.
Monitors and Laptops especially they should have like ONLY 6 Monitors and 6 Laptops Spec Tiered High to low depending on your budget.
The Monitors are actually 3 Versions, but it's 6 because each version has a Matte and Glossy Version you can choose from of the 3 Monitors, and of course versions at different sizes of each. That's literally ALL we need. They make "1" Monitor, and ONLY have versions based on Feature Set's, aka number and type of ports etc. and sizes.
Really, really needed this video!
Trying to research and finally purchase a 4k panel for gaming (upgrade from GSYNC module high refresh 1440p LCD), and terrified from the billions of choices, (many expensive, and others too cheap and suspect.)
7:27 So agree with this! 🙏
The problem with designing products based on prior sales data is that it only reflects flawed prior designs, not looking at the potential sales based on offering aspects people crave suchas the best quality image, fastest display, 4k 120htz + HDMI sockets, quality built in speakers and professional design that LG offers. Power & data USB C, Dolby Vision, Native Glossy, 4K, 31.5 inch screen.
Many many games have a high APL actually from my experience. Basically most things open world, be it Horizon, Hogwarts Legacy and even cyberpunk in the day outside. Besides every game that plays outside at daytime has a very different impact in miniLED, especially if your room is not pitch black. To even come close to my monitor with my OLED TV, I have to completely darken the room so that basically no light is coming in. Additionally whenever the content is slightly brighter than black, you basically never see the blooming in only really comes into play when the content is quite dark.
Also PS5 has no support for Dolby Vision. And on the Xbox Dolby Vision just seems to basically darken the whole picture and not much more, there's some testing from HDTVTest.
Also DV is not the only Dynamic HDR format, HDR10+ is just as good, but it has less content available (although I think Apple TV+ recently pushed it quite a bit) and on the monitor side I think only Samsung supports it and also not every source device supports it, like only PCs with NVIDIA GPUs and most media players other than the NV Shield.
How many FALD Zones does an LCD have to have in order to be able to compare/compete with an OLED and almost completely eliminate blooming and other artifacts that come with FALD?
Whatever it is, current monitors don’t get there. My guess is close to a million (though dual layer lcd will also get you there-they just don’t make them anymore). Techless did a video where he tried to come up with that number and I think he said a million+ would be close enough
Depends a lot on the algorithm. My 85"X95K competes with my LG C1 OLED and it only has 700ish dimming zones. Some monitors out perform others with the same 1000ish dimming zones. Algorithm is key, but dimming zones can help as well.
As an OLED TV owner in Europe where the 4K OLED monitors are overpriced, I ended up going for a VA mini-LED for now. I wanted a smaller flat panel that would later serve as a 2nd monitor, so I ended up going for the 1440p Koorui GN10, which according to DisplayNinja is the only 240 Hz VA mini-LED apart from Samsung's Neo G8/9. It was also very affordable here compared to the competition, even the AOC Q27G3XMN that it beats in every way on the spec sheet. My main concern is there aren't really any proper reviews of the monitor out there, so how it compares to other monitors in tuning, backlight control etc. is a bit of a mystery. I'm guessing it's not easy to obtain in Australia, but if it ever is, it would be interesting to see a review of it.
How does a Mini-LED FALD VA Panel compare to an Mini-LED FALD IPS Panel?
Contrast is usually always better with the va panel while blooming suppression is often slightly better (not always, see the Samsung Neo g7 rtings review) with va panel. Ktc has one of both but in 1440p and 4k but 27”.
The PG32UCDM has broken HDR compared to the MSI and AW in certain scenes, ASUS has acknowledged it and has put out a firmware update that didn't fully fix it yet and broke many other things, are you going to cover that?
stop complaining and enjoy other aspects of the monitor
@@HumbleDude46995😮 wow his complaint was valid
@@ARedditor397 complaining about something he knows is going to be fixed?!
Samsung Odyssey monitors need firmware updates. It helps with scan lines, VRR, HDR, response time, etc. I wouldn't say it doesn't work without updates but the firmware updates do help with buyers remorse when your setup isn't working as well for you as it is for everyone else.
11:37 , i believe LG has already startet refreshing their panels with MLA tech. so on the Woled side, waiting for a monitor with mla is definitly a significant upgrade.
I think a good branding for monitord would be like :
- ASUS Bureau/Office : for 60hz "bad" displays that are just there to show what happens on the computer
- ASUS Premium : 90-144hz monitors separated in two types, ones for professionals with a simple design and one for gamers with rgb etc...
- ASUS Pro (very apple-ish branding) : high end professional monitors
- ASUS e-sport/gaming : 240-inf refresh rates, ultra low latency and all of that
And all of these would have the size next to the main name, then the name of the pannel type (lcd, qdoled etc...) and then the year and that's it. And also the resolution somewhere with hd, qhd, uhd etc...
Just by the name you would know approximately the price, the type of panel, the size, the resolution and how old it is.
Struggling finding a mini LED 4k display that I like. The Innocn 27 inch that has over 1000 dimming zones sounds great, but it can only do 144hz on an nvidia gpu and it’s a bit of a dealbreaker. Nothing else in the mini led space comes close.
What GPU can run games on 4K ultra above 144Hz?
Funny that this video came out on the same day as dell released a brand new firmware M3B107 for the AW3423DWF
It is a pity that the first 4 monitors you advice are not available in Europe. Do you think you could elaborate something for the old world?
I would love a mini-LED monitor in the 43"-ish size class because I very much want to avoid the burn-in issue with OLED (I use my screen for WFH office work, lots of static windows, etc). For now I'll stick with my Samsung QN90B 43" TV until such a product exists.
I've been trying to look into switching from my 34inch ultrawide and going back to a 16:9 display. I've been interested in a 32 inch 4k monitor, however I'm really not a fan of the text issues on OLED's. Hopefully I can find something that's really great
Why switch?
@@PrestoJacobson it causes my eyes to strain pretty badly, even years later it bothers me unless I wear glasses while no other screen does the same thing. Also, I’m really tired of poor implementation of ultra wide support or no way of making old games work on ultra wides in the event there are no fan mods to fix it
I love your black ops 3 hoodie ❤
i hope you make a video explaining hub essentials checklist terms (2024).
Biggest pet peeve is right on the mark! They are just overcooking all the different little parts just make a good solid 4-6 models in the line up and you are cooking. It's easy to understand for the consumer and we don't get duped on buying something without a port you might need.
Finally got 2 monitors due to your channel, an lg c3 tv for media/ps5 and whatever lg calls it 240hz 1440p lcd for general use (finally on sale again) im sadly an mmorpg gamer so 2 oled wouldnt be smart. Too high of a risk of burn in from static hud elements at the current price point, maybe in the future when oleds are cheaper/run better for games with static huds
Thanks for the answers to these questions
The best IPS monitors (such as BenQ sw272U, ENZO 2740, ...) are still the most accurate for photo editing. And they do not tire the eyes. OLED monitors will be able to achieve better color uniformity and accurate color reproduction (for example, Adobe RGB)? And separately, I would like to see an overview of flicker and the effect of OLED monitors on eye fatigue..
Hey. Are you planning on reviewing the Samsung odyssey G6 anytime soon?
Can you please review Acer X38S monitor? Thank you Hardware Unboxed 🙂
Regarding the 1600p Ultrawides - I'm keeping an eye on those for some time, and while the 38'' LG that came out 3-4 years ago (the GN, not the GL version) would pretty much hit all my needs, I find it hard to validate paying the cost that - as of the current prices of the 34'' GN850 - would make it twice as expensive, and also quite a lot higher than even the OLEDs like the Alienware DWF.
I've seen that LG is suppousedly having some new models (with a 2000:1 contrast) in production this year, if they price it with the fact that affordable 34'' 1440p IPS models (that have similar overall performance...), as well as OLEDs - exist, then I gladly buy one.
If not...well, the 34'' 850-P is still a pretty decent monitor, no?
I just want a moderately priced 27 or 32" 2k OLED gaming monitor. When is someone going to start making them?
Why do you want 1080P OLED?
whatever said and done i guess the OLEDs are not ready yet since for that price tag it does not suffice for the burn-in risks you will have and the anxiety it creates plus the focus and care you have to give fr that panel, instead of enjoying you will end up thinking too much abou the screen itself. for now the MINI leds will do the job.
Tbh, supporting all sorts of odd resolutions is pretty taxing from the software side and from the user side can be quite a headache if that resolution isn't mainstream. I'm all for standard resolutions, 38" 1600p just isn't really necessary.
Agreed in a world where AI upscaling exists there's no need for all of these weird rendering resolutions that are basically just Band-Aids for poor GPU performance
It is and upscaling will never be superior to native.
I have never gotten a mini-LED without dead pixels. They let you send them back usually, but time after time of returning it I kept getting replacements that had larger patches of dead pixels. I'm never getting a mini-LED monitor again, I've only had this issue with them. Not IPS and not VA.
Which ones did you buy? In case ppl want to be wary of those models.
BS detected.
Is there any way you could please do a quick yes or no test to see if DLDSR/DSR work in the 480hz mode on the 32 inch LG OLED. Thanks in advance!
Are we going to get a Gigabyte 32” OLED review soon?!
Its not out yet. My order is expected to arrive at end of april
I want more mini-LED options just because I use my main system for mixed usage. I don't watch movies on it, but I do play games and I do content creation and productivity. The sub-pixel layout of OLED just doesn't make it an option for me, and mini-LED isn't that much of a compromise for gaming.
I find the concept of mini-LED just complete hackery. I don't think they will be with us much longer.
Expensive to produce. Causes a lot of lag. It doesn't actually solve the problem as it still has tons of bleeding arount bright spots. Many more components that can break.
I think mini-LED monitors will be squeezed out of the market in two years when OLEDs with a more conventional RGB stripe hit the market.
@@a5centyou have no idea what you're talking about.
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Can't explain anything for you if you can't be more specific why you disagree.
All I can tell you with certainty is that you are wrong.
@@a5cent brands are going deeper into miniLED, probably due to more room for growth. TCL, Hisense, Samsung and now Sony and LG are expanding the miniLED lineups. So miniLED is here for the foreseeable future.
Cost comes down with availability. OLED isn't exactly cheap either.
Local dimming does not cause enough lag to be detrimental to the experience and varies per unit like most displays.
With local dimming enabled there is no bleeding. You may be referring to blooming or haloing, but those issues are not existent depending on the producers algorithm.
Many more components that can break? In comparison to what? You can repair a backlight, but you can't repair degraded OLEDs. Just a weak point overall.
miniLED monitors are just hitting larger markets outside of Asia where they're already doing well.
OLED has a place, and miniLED has a place. Both with strengths and weaknesses. I enjoy my 85" miniLED TV more than my LG C1 or any OLED since then. The HDR is just on another level and the SDR performance is excellent.
So no, you're not going to be able to bs me when I own both technologies.
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lol
You are only BSing yourself. Did you say the same thing about plasma displays?
To be clear, in the television market I think mini-LED will stick around for quite some time yet, but I'm not talking about the television market. This is a YT channel about computer monitors, and it's only in that market where the end of mini-LED is already foreseeable, precisely because the technology has no place.
There is nothing mini-LED does better than OLED or micro-LED. No matter what you want, one of those two technologies will be the better high-end choice, and mini-LED will never play at the low-end.
I’ve got the AW3423DW and it badly needs a usb port to update the firmware. It constantly gets stuck in a sort of standby power mode where the only way to wake it up is to unplug it, wait for 15seconds and then replug it in.
Finally someone explained a comparison between monitor upgrade and GPU upgrade. I've been telling for years that getting a better monitor improves your gaming experience more, than one tier bump in graphic settings and/or few more fps. So good to know Tim has the same opinion
Wondering if its worth doing a video on monitor stands - Price, features, all other buying considerations? I'm looking to get one soon and at the same time wondering if dual monitor set up is something i need which then opens up options from a stand perspective. Just thoughts :)
@14:39 I would think if they recently bought the 1440p oled and already asking about upgrading it then they're not really happy with it.
Hello! Love your work.
I have recently bought a AGON AOC PRO AG344UXM. It's a 34 inch UWQHD with a QD mini-led IPS panel. It is fantastic at the price I got it. Would love to see you have a look at it. I think it's a great alternative to OLEDs for a hybrid, work orientated set up!
The MSRP is high but is on sale constantly
Please please please review the new Samsung G8
I'd love to see some reviews of KTC brand
good thing i have never seen an oled screen, maybe in a shop, without knowing what it is. So i can enjoy my 165hz 32 inch 1440p curved VA panel.. I was also interested about that 27 inch 350 buck true hD AOC screen, but i wasnt still available, so i bought the 32, and i have to say im glad, the screen size is just great.
You're probably typing on an OLED phone screen right now
I hope you do test the LG 27gr95um (the mini-led LG monitor you mentioned). It is such a frustrating display for me due to HDR Gamer 1 & 2 presets having an inverse ABL that greatly dims the entire screen (and keeps it that way) any time dark areas are present (any games that have contrast basically). For example, if you switch from "Gamer 2" to the HDR preset right under it in the menu("FPS" )during gameplay, the brightness seems to double (the gama and contrast of the 3 HDR presets don't seem to be as affected by the ABL, but they have bad gama, contrast, and color settings that cannot be adjusted). Also, according to an Asian reviewer(English subtitles) who measured the brightness of each preset, the nits of those particular presets do not reach the advertised 1000 (only Gamer 2 has the VESA cert.). With it's current state(post firmware update from Feb), I'd be surprised if Gamer 2 hits 1000 nits in a game. Sorry for the lengthy comment. So frustrating that LG has seemingly abandoned a $1200 monitor and left it in a bad state.
LG definitely needs to get that sorted out. Might be an algorithm issue so it could take some time to sort out. LG is bringing back miniLED to its TV line up so at least they're acknowledging a demand exists.
The LG issues are really edging me towards TCL when they hit the market as they have a decent background in the TV line up so it should translate well to the monitors hopefully.
Would love to see a new lineup from Sony monitors as well since my 85"X95Ks miniLED algorithm is damn near perfect for a wide range of content.
Got the LG OLED 27gr95qe-b a year ago and I hate it, its too dimm, certain modes look terrible to my taste, Vivid mode is the only mode I liked. Had to get an IPS monitor again.
@@DrakonR Yeah...LG seem to be making a lot of head-scratching choices lately. I know TCL is coming out with a couple of high-end mini-leds (a 27" 4K & an ultra-wide 3440×1440p). I'm not sure if they are IPS or VA though. I know they have more dimming zones than the current batch of mini-leds by Innocn, KTC, etc.
@@AlejandroMartinez-yv1gh LG used to make bright, vivid displays (the 27gp950 used to be my favorite monitor, and it still has a great SDR picture). Now it seems they are going for the dimmest displays with the thickest matte coatings ..blah.
@@timholt78 true, they make beautiful tvs. Have a C1 and picture clarity is amazing and very bright. That’s why I bought one of their OLED monitors, I thought it was gonna be just like their tv displays and I was so wrong. Feel like I wasted my money now Im stuck with that trash monitor. I’d rather play in my asus rog 1080 240hz IPS monitor which Im currently using, the OLED one is collecting dust right now
Netflix on LG also support dolby vision. Also the midgen, xbox one x, supported dolby vision on some games (i.e. red dead 2).
What's a good 32 inch, 2650x1440, 240mhz, flat oled monitor?
If a display doesnt display DolbyVision but it a true HDR device does it still play HDR just not Dolbyvision?
Yes.
To help get your terminology straight:
DolbyVision, HDR10 and HDR10+ are protocolls. They define how the data stream sent between source and display is encoded.
Any display that supports one of those protocolls can display HDR content.
Of course, both source and display must support the same type of data stream. A display that only understands DolbyVision won't work with a source that can only provide HDR10.
Just note that the ability to accept a HDR data stream tells you nothing about whether the display can actually give you a picture worthy of being called HDR.
@@a5cent Cool!
I will say I had a top of the line $3500 mini led 1700 Nits and my OLEDS still looked better. Was between that and an LG C2
Which one?
@@thicklips LG 42” C2 won vs Pro Art PA32UCG-K. I’m very into calibrating my displays and tried giving it a few hundred hours since I spent 3 grand but OLEDS just gorgeous. Last four years I’ve bought Sonys Top End OLED TV’s and couldn’t be happier, love them
Thanks for the video
Can you please review the new WOLED from LG, the LG 27GS95QE?
It's all much of muchness mate there is no bad OLED but whatever
You don't even consider the LG 27GS95QE-B, which is a massive upgrade over last years GR version in terms of no ABL, higher brightness and better whites ..
Which manufacturer has 3440x1440 34inch WOLED 1800R (ie, slight curve) monitor in their roadmap?
Some people love watching films with subtitles...and most non native english speakers, not many people overall.
95% of people on earth don't speak English natively, but it's still the most used language. Subtitles are a big thing.
Can we please get a review on the msi optix mag274qrf-qd e2.
I want to order the alienware aw3225qf so bad but the burn in you got is so bad and the LG C2/C3/C4 are like 1500-1800CAD in Canada vs 800USD in the US
On the oled monitors being so similar to each other vs older panel types? Part of it is 2 LCDs monitors could have the same panel and still be pretty different if their backlights are different. Oleds? Dont have backlights to also bring out differences.
Do these Mini-LED LCDs with modern VA panels still suffer from black smearing?
My MacBook m1 pro looks exactly like an OLED. Absolutely no blooming and as black as black can be. Its certainly possible for mini LED zo get there.
Where do you usually sell used monitors? It's pretty hard to find people who will spend hundreds for used screens
I dont even use HDR on my OLED monitors. To rough on the eyes with the brightness. I absolutely love everything else about them for gaming though.
For the last question, Sony's new mini-led technology looks great. It might be able to compete with OLEDs. Maybe they'll use that tech in their monitors.
I got a LG G4 oled tv recently and i have been wondering if i should enable pc dolby vision mode on the TV over HDR when I use it as monitor. Not totally sure if it looks better tho.. I think it does aha
I have a 3840x1600 monitor, and I'll never go less that 1600v again. I'll probably move to 4K the next time I buy monitors, so I will gain vertical but lost width.
Which aoc monitor is he talking about!
When do we get HUB q/a again?