4K WOLED vs 4K QD-OLED - Everything You Need to Know
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00:00 - Intro, Specs, Design
01:02 - What is QD-OLED and WOLED?
03:42 - 4K QD-OLED vs 4K WOLED Motion Performance
06:35 - 4K QD-OLED vs 4K WOLED Brightness
10:06 - 4K QD-OLED vs 4K WOLED Color Volume and Space
10:51 - 4K QD-OLED vs 4K WOLED Text Clarity
14:09 - 4K QD-OLED vs 4K WOLED Screen Coating
17:05 - 4K QD-OLED vs 4K WOLED Viewing Angles and Uniformity
19:15 - Final Thoughts
4K WOLED vs 4K QD-OLED - Everything You Need to Know
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11:39 this might be nit picking, but it's probably worth pointing out that the only modern operating system that does subpixel rendering, without supporting arbitrary subpixel arrangements is Windows. This is subpixel rendering issue is not an issue on Linux, MacOS, or Android. There really should be some pressure on Microsoft to fix their obsolete text rendering system as it's not really the monitor manufacturers' fault.
Lol. Nit picking
Yeah, it's a nitpick, but it's valid and will probably help someone.
Yeah but macOS just doesn't any subpixel rendering at on HiDPI/Retina and stopped subpixel on non-Retina as well. So not sure that is "better".
if they had to bring OS context yes, its windows specific issue, but they would also have to mention that by default, most linux distros don't support HDR, which would kinda ruin one of the biggest selling points on using an OLED monitor. HDR on linux is pretty bleeding edge
Just open ClearType and disable it if you want it to be like Linux. Sadly no matter what I change on Linux, it can never be as clear as ClearType
This is the GOLD STANDARD comparison video for WOLED vs QD-OLED.
Ugh no single word about burn-in testing. Also during whole video QD-OLED has clear warm tint, how can it be better with broken white balance?
@@5poolcatrush Enough time hasn't passed yet for anyone to know burn-in performance. The monitors just launched. All we can estimate is based on how long each manufacturer's warranty is.
You also can't judge color accuracy through a TH-cam video. Manufacturer default calibration is at play, as well as color temperature.
@@BananaKyat burn-in is the only thing that stops me from buying oled, i dont game much but i dont want my job/hobby software UI or windows icons and taskbar to be imprinted into display when after a work day i'll decide to watch a movie lets say. That thing alone makes whole review and choice pointless.
About white balance, youtube video is enough to tell that these 2 have a clear difference meaning at least one of them is wrong. My job involves work with colors and from my expertise i can say that is the warm one. And this problem cannot be fixed with manual calibration only coped by os or gpu driver crutches, it will not change actual white balance of the panel just add a compensative software tint that will result inaccurate colors anyway. Probably that is some monitor settings problem but i doubt Tim would do such mistake.
@5poolcatrush the longitivity tests look pretty good for the qd oled monitors on rtings. Sitting at 6000 hours without any burn in or noticable drop in peak brightness. Just choose a manufacturer with a clear 3 year warranty that includes screen burn.
I bought one last week and whilst already having a qd oled tv, sitting close to a monitor seems to be an even bigger difference. I don't think I can go back to VA or IPS 😅
@@5poolcatrush Are you sure? Did the camera used accurately record to video editing that preserved and got accurately transmitted by TH-cam to arrive at your monitor where it was then accurately displayed? (No way in hell). Is your monitor even color calibrated, and recently? No, it is factory stock or some random preprogrammed setting right?
People are very sure they see accurate video. People in the industry know that this is not the case. Many color choices were made on the way to your screen. If you are on a 2k SDR monitor, would you expect accurate video of a 4k HDR monitor? Laws of Physics impossible right?
On my monitor, I use the LG 42" C3 evo 4K OLED, the text comparisons favored the WOLED. I could not see what he was seeing. The color banding looked grotesque on the QD OLED, as displayed on my monitor. The shadowing on the WOLED barely noticeable as zoomed in. Does that mean that holds on the actual monitors? No. Odds are he is correct. Plus or minus differences in how our vision works of course. That is not the same across people and or ages.
The video that puts other comparison videos to bed
Like me and your mother
This channel deserves a wider audience.
Yea, Ultrawide.
i mean, high end monitor reviews is a pretty niche audience.
Why? Lol only enthusiasts worry so much about OLED
@@user-pg5sz2vn1w>buy RTX4080 but forgot about proper display
@@rundown132Its not enthusiasts. You have no slightest idea how contrast is impacting overall image. How it looks deep and rich with detail shadows and oled brings that on top of that a NO GHOSTING at all!
YES! Been waiting YEARS for 4K 32" OLED panels to arrive.
Now I just need a comparison review of the available models to choose.
They are not all available. He already mentioned that. Hang tight a bit longer
I would wait another year if I was you.
@@EcoAcid yeah the price is still very inflated outside the US.
Why only 32'' tho ? The LG CX 48 is available since years now and it's a REALLY great OLED TV for PC. I have the 65'' myself and I only use it for PC gaming and it's reaaally awesome. Way better than a 32'', really. Of course there is better choice than the CX nowadays.
@@biglittleboy9827 that model is old, only 120hz, has horrible PPI, poor text clarity, and rtings has already reviewed it extensively.
Man, this video was really comprehensive. And I really have to commend and congratulate the unboxed team for the immense amount of effort that has gone into testing and reporting all the different quality parameters. Awesome video Unboxed team. Keep these videos coming, I really love your videos.
5 years ago no one would believe we would be spoiled by such amazing monitors
Nah, 5 years ago we were cursing how advanced tv and phone displays are compared to monitors.
What? Five years ago people were wondering, why monitors are so expensive compared to TVs and why technology of monitors lag so far behind. Not much has changed since then. A 32" OLED costs more than 65" OLED TV.
More like it's finally here in monitor space that TV and phones enjoyed for a while. As well as motion clarity like CRT days.
@@TechTusiast What does size have to do with anything??? The monitors are also a much higher refresh. I always see this argument of size but no one realises that you also get extra the HZ and other features for PC. And I would love to know what 65in OLED can be had for £989. Any OLED I have seen at that size is more like 1500+ and those are older models.
@@lilpain1997 another thing people miss out on is PPI difference, its harder for them to make high PPI vs lower PPI
This is the video I was waiting for! Amazing comparison and great video as always.
I just bought the AW3225QF (qdoled).
Not necessarily for the specs, but because it's 400€ cheaper than any alternative
Hopefully you didn't get one with scratches!
@@TheHarleyH They are all sold out, mine will arrive on may 16th, finger crossed !
@@MarcAureIeMight be a good thing, since they have updated the packaging. So if yours is getting manufactured now, you’ll get plastic peel on the monitor most likely.
@@tommyknaggard6298 really ? I didnt know
I got the aw3423dw on release and there was no scratches.
Thank god I found this video! Been looking to replace my Acer Predator IPS monitor for months now and I can't decide between panel types due to the lack of comparison like this one.
For me I will be getting a QD-OLED monitor. Thanks again Unboxed team!!🙏
Such a clear and well organized video! Thank you for doing what you do so well!
This is the video I have been waiting for all year! As usual, you delivered. Thank you for all your great work!
2:59 I wish you mentioned the reason as to why QD OLED has brighter colours is because it doesn't have to go through a filter. WOLED goes through a filter and as such lower colours, but the white OLED subpixel doesn't go through a filter and can get much brighter.
(9:29 yes it's mentioned here a little bit, but fundamentally the reason why QDOLED gets brighter colours is because it's a top emission display, WOLED is not and has to go through filters = less colour brightness)
But qd oled also goes through a color filter except for the blue.?
@@misterinfinity4076 not a filter, but a QD light emitting layer = basically converting the blue light (because it's the strongest light energy, allowing for bright luminance)
WOLED has many layers and there is a lot of light lost, which is why LG put in a micro lens array (MLA), basically a sheet of glass/plastic with many concave spheres ablated away with photolithography, to refocus light that would have been lost = creating heat in the process as LG would compensate with more power, with MLA you can get brighter and lower heat but only really applicable to WOLED because of its composition.
in summary filtering light vs converting light
@@misterinfinity4076 There's no filter: It uses quantum dots for high efficiency conversion of blue light to green and red for those subpixels.
@@misterinfinity4076 it's not exactly a color filter. similar effect, very different mechanism, higher efficiency
People up voting something they have no clue about. Here is more straight forward data why qd-oleds have better colors than LG. Google TFT central article: "Exploring OLED Brightness - Improvements, WOLED vs QD-OLED and the Need for New Metrics and Specs"
Something I've learned by having had various woled and qd-oled panels, is that as soon as you introduce any amount of ambient light the contrast of the qd-oled falls off a cliff much more than woled
Are you saying it HAS to be in a dark room? No ambient light what so ever? Or does it vary with strength of ambient light vs how bright the monitor is ?
@ktg_2castle960 it varies. It's pretty minor in a dimly lit room. It's only obnoxious in a bright room
What do you think about a monitor lightbar on top of the display?, I do have one and I really like it, I love the glossy coating but I guess qd-oled is going to be way too pinkish.
My Asus PG32 is in the living with 2 big ass windows and when I’m using it I don’t see any issues with the color
@@herrlegnoI have a BenQ on mine and there’s no issues with it at all
This is a really interesting review. It's great that you took a variety of measurements, but it's also great to see how things change in real-world use. Thanks for the nice review!
I love your data presentation. Thank you for all of your hard work.
Been running the Dell AW3225QF since it came out. I am always amazed when I look at it. With nVidia's RTX HDR, YT and games have never looked so good. It's also a delight for photo editing. A plus with Dell's is Dolby Vision and e-Arc, so if you live in a dorm or don't need a TV, then you're not missing out when streaming HDR and you have a plethora of soundbar Atmos options.
Earc is messed up in the aw3225qf. You can only get 48khz through display port or full 192khz atmos through hdmi but foregoing gsync
@@hsp8933 Isn't 48 enough, don't tell me you can tell the difference.
Great vid. Do you remember the video you did comparing oled to mini led? Do you plan on something similar in terms of what to look at to spot the difference? The side by side shots show identical colors and contrast in dark room, with raised blacks on qd in bright room. Can you show us the difference of color brightness on an actual picture being displayed by both? As well as the matte grain. I realize cameras have limitations but itd be great to see how significant it is. Twice as high color brightness on paper sounds material to me. But i cant tell. They look the same
best comparison video i seen . unbiased and amazing info . more channels should see this video and learn how to proper review and compared
Great info, thank you!! I've been looking for something like this.
Very nice in depth analysis! I'm personally very happy with my QD-OLED and based on the analysis I think I would have preferred it over WOLED either way
big fan from estonia, the woled panels tend to have bad vertical banding in 5% grays, google would have examples. the qd-oleds tend to yave no such issue.
I've owned my AW3225QF for about 10 days. Its been some of the best 10 days of my gaming visually. Colors are amazing, I have a easily controlled dim room so its PERFECT for me! ZERO issues so far. PLENTY bright.
Why did you sell it?
Do yourself a favor and use SpecialK with it's SDR->HDR conversion, especially on UE4 games where HDR is sketchy. Also, don't be afraid to mess with the sliders on experimental settings. I did some adjustments for my MSI MAG 341CQP (QD-OLED) display, playing Atomic Heart, and with the peak 1000 HDR, got some AMAZING results. The outdoor scenes looked spectacular, and the darker indoor scenes with the "heat orbs" and explosions, it's just hard to describe.
@@deivytrajan He didn't say he sold it. Think you're reading something that isn't there.
@@theSato notice the difference between "I've owned" and "I've been owning"
@@-Jakob- You wouldn't say I've been owning... If someone asked you "How long have you owned that monitor?" You would reply "I've owned it for about 10 days now" Not "I have been owning it for about 10 days now"
Excellent comparison Tim! I have the LG 27 gs95qe. I love it.
Very thorough and useful! Thank you!
So glad that you went into some detail on text rendering. I'm curious about these newer display technologies but my primary use is working with text and video, not gaming. Knowing what to expect from text rendering on these newer panels has helped me to decide to stick with IPS or VA for now.
I am a software engineer and my work is just about 100% text editing, and I find absolutely no problem with my OLED. At 4k resolution the pixel density makes it such that under any normal text size the pixel layout issue is basically irrelevant. I also work on Windows, so the issue about Windows not handling different subpixel layout is also not noticeable. I suggest you go look at a OLED yourself in person before making a big deal out of this issue, as the benefits of OLED are so huge over LCD panels that it would be a shame to miss out due to some perceived fault that is actually a nonfactor.
Yes, IPS is still the best choice for video editing, content creation and some gaming. It's still the goat for all. OLED is great but not for everyone or ever thing.
Are we looking at June- July for more WOLED options or more towards October- November?
Most likely October/November deliveries to the West due to shipping routes being disrupted. 😔
Thank you for this concise and clear explanation! This is exactly what I was looking for :)
Great comparison review!
I've had the PG32UCDM for 2 weeks, and I love it. I'm a very very demanding person, I've changed monitors twenty times in the last 2 years, unable to find the perfect screen. I've had IPS, VA, VA-MINI LED, IPS MINI LED...
I currently have an iPhone (OLED), two TVs (Sony XR-77A95L, LG 55C1), and the ASUS is incredible.
I have no dead pixels, the image is very well calibrated from the factory, the screen is thin (I put an arm on it), every time I use it I'm WHOUAW.
The only thing that bothers me is that I have a kind of lag/freeze on start-up, and this seems to be linked to the DSC...
People have no fucking clue what qd-oled look like in real life scenario. They see raised blacks because studio lights hitting the panel from 1 meter then say "i like better lg" and at the same time they forgot that LG is $400 more with no burn in warranty. Literally brainless people.
I don't want to bother with that :) Still waiting for oled with crt responsiveness on 100hz. So roughly 15 years for now. Va in living room, oled on work laptop, tn 144 on work play pc.... and crt in the basement :)
Still waiting for a 4K OLED with good hardware calibration support and a 3D LUT... Digital painting on OLED is a paradigm shift because of how we can better perceive contrast. But I need to be able to verify/maintain the accuracy of the output more than anything else. Couldn’t care less for the gamer features.
I mean the LG C-series of TVs have been available for a good while now?
Thanks for the great comparison!
I usually tend to agree with Tim, but regarding text quality/fringing, I just can't. This might be a personal preference but the fringing in QD-OLED just JUMPS at me, it looks SO BAD to me, in a way that WOLED certainly doesn't.
Honestly, this is perhaps THE main reason that has me still hanging on to a previous IPS LCD monitor. My job involves writing a bunch of stuff each and every day, doing web searches and stuff, and no, I just can't stand having awful fringing and being a downgrade from a 1440p screen of 8 years ago, especially at the prices they cost.
I honestly just can't understand Tim's opinion on this, but again, maybe this is a very subjective topic?
Graphics cards have 4 outputs for a reason. Own both, millions of people do that. LCD for work QD everything else
Lol, there's no way you're seeing the type of fringing you're talking about.
I'm sitting an arms length from my QD Oled right now (AW3423DW), I can't see the fringing until I put my eyes right at the screen to see it. A friend of my has Asus 27" WOLED, and it's worse in every other way (Matte coating, color imbalance due to White subpixel). Try both and see for yourself and draw your own conclusion(s).
I will repeat again.
THERE IS NO COLOR FRINGING ON QD-OLED MONITORS @4k
Text is ultra tack sharp, easy to read, easy for eyes even if you use white or dark mode - especially if you are a programmer using smaller or bigger font.
I have msi qd oled and its absolutely 0 issue.
Are you saying the fringing looks bad because of what you've seen in this video or from seeing a QD OLED in person? The fringing in the video really sticks out, but it's not an accurate use distance either.
Hi Tim, would you be able to say which tech tends to emit more blue light in typical usage, or is the difference negligible? Thanks.
Good work Tim well timed video explaining to us laymen.
Finally a great comparison,
I already ordered an alienware QD-Oled glad to see I made the right choice
I got the LG 27GS95QE-B because it was 500 EUR cheaper at the time than the new QD-OLED alternatives. I would have gone with one of the semi glossy QD-OLEDs if i was paying full price, since i already own the C3. I've seen all of the OLED coatings irl, and i prefer the full gloss of the LG TVs, however i must add that i don't find either the matte or semi gloss bad.
exactly
Thanks for the info
This is a top class technical video .
Ok fine, you deserve a subscription. What a thorough explanation
i have the ROG Swift PG32UCDM ordered and it arrives end of month, never tried an oled for pc gaming only console with the G3. so looking forward to it, hope i made the right choice
You have no idea how jaw dropping experience the same contrast makes also 0 ghosting and deep rich colors with 4K sharp resolution. Be mindful about light sources and you won't stop smiling. (I have msi qd-oled same panel as asus)
I love my AlienWare
I got the same, coming from high in LCD. JAW DROPPING image quality upgrade!
You'll be shocked!
@@MrM-dl5zmI'm a bit worried about light sources in my room, it's just a normal ceiling light in the middle of the room, but I don't like that purpleish/reddish hue of the QD OLED. Have you had any issues with it?
@@Sean_Lightning_OBrienI have now FO32U2P. You won't regret it.
For home use I can't imagine brightness ever being an issue. Both of my AOC VA panels are currently set to 32 brightness(out of 100). My previous monitors all needed to be set well below 50 brightness as well unless I wanted my eyes to hurt in 20 minutes. A very bright office setting or being outside are really the only scenarios I imagine an OLED not being bright enough.
Completely overblown, i us my s90c at 25 out of 50 brightness at most, only for hdr an its brigt AF.... Sometimes too much in dark/er room
Because people are stupid. They don't fucking realize that 32" monitor in 60 cm in front of you is hitting a HUGE FUCK LOAD OF LIGHT at your retina at this size and the end result is that 100-150 nits for SDR is plenty enough with room to spare to not hurt your eyes and have more relaxed and pleasant viewing experience when you sit in front of monitor for longer sessions.
@@fvalloHere I am with two modes, 30 brightness during the day and 0 during the night with lamps on in the room. I really don't get how people can stand super bright screens.
Thank you this was super helpful in picking the monitor I wanted. Well more confirmed the one I was looking at would be great.
i googled this last week since i didn’t understand the difference, very timely!
14:14 is the redish black tone on the qdoled something to do with the camera recording or it actually looks like that in person bc i dont like that it has that tone when it's suppose to be pure black, it almost makes it look like an LCD
Unfortunately with some light... Yes it's visible irl
The WOLED monitors still struggle with vertical banding in 5% gray. For a screen tech where you should (already do) prefer dark mode and gray background is a bad combo. I quess i won the lottery with my cx that has close to perfect gray uniformity. The lg 1440p 240hz was shockingly bad like a "this is an example of a bad gradient display". Also dont like fans in a monitor that will fill with dust and be noticable, just an extra point of failure.
My LG 27GR95Q oled has vertical and 1 horizontal banding. It seems that you need luck to get one without them.
how can you know? none of them are out yet.
@@sudd3660 i kbow because i bought the 1440p 240hz lg it was so bad that back to the store it went, also tim mentions its still an issue
yep I had the lg 240hz 1440p and the asus rog strix one, both of them I had to return as they both displayed horizontal lines running across the darker shades in dark mode. Looked like thicker "scan" lines of crt but much much irritating as they were so thick.
And, almost no reviewer talks about the "dirty gray" issues. If they do they simply and quickly just mention it that is suffers from it but not anything else. Basically they just want to sell the products instead of educate us on eventual issues they may have.
Huge deal breaker!
Great content as usual! 🔥🔥
Great comparison video.
good lord those color graphs.
People can't even comprehend how jaw dropping qd-oled looks in person (I have msi 4K qd oled) while watching them with your own eye balls. Red, orange, gold colors is something to die for. Deep, accurate and in HDR they are just mesmerizing. But hey all of LG team on other side have studio lights hitting monitor from 1 meter and they see raised blacks :( Not to mention lg costs 400 more and with no burn in warranty not to mention color volume but who cares about that?
@@MrM-dl5zm Enjoy your raised "blacks" and pink-frizzled text.
@@MrM-dl5zm Meanwhile the subreddit is defending WOLED by saying "just control the lights" is just copium for QD-OLED users
Dolby vision… yeaaaah about that
people still think that it is a selling point, just like MQA in audio
What a great review. Outstanding to the other ones I have watched. But in conclusion you could say there is no better or worse.
Great comparison, thank you
What about vrr flicker?
I was researching this question just yesterday... this video is a godsent to me!
WOLED it is for me then. I never play in the dark, it hurts my eyes. Hoping for more models later this year!
i'm very interested in seeing a comparison of different anti burn in protections of the different monitors. It will be a main selling point for me. See how many it can reduce burn possibility, if it's too annoying etc
Very helpful video. I'm going back and forth between LG OLED and QD-OLED, matte vs glossy, better blacks vs better colors.
whats the usual lighting situation and go from there
Amazing video, I was leaning towards WOLED but after seeing this video I think that I would like the QD-OLED more, even if I really like the dual mode with 480Hz.
Awesome! Thank you, and thumbs up!
Great video!
Worth waiting for the 27" 1440p 480hz woleds with the new subpixel structure? Like The PG27AQDP.
Robert? What are you doing here? Where are you hiding the videos??
Robert!
KING OF SWEEDEN ❤
Seeing you is like a blast from the past, thanks for the memories.
They’re going to bend you over at the price for the “480hz” which you’re very likely never taking advantage of unless you play something like Fortnite or F2P shooters with lower settings. Which at that point why do you even need a high quality pixels just focus on Hz alone. My biggest question is what games are you playing competitively and getting over 450 frames in to capitalize and justify getting the 480hz monitor to smooth the frames. Because if it’s CS or something of that sort then you don’t even need 1440 since you’re likely squeezing it down to 4:3 when you play competitively or dropping settings to low for performance.
Intro: are you thinking of jumping to OLED -
Me: *empty wallet while monitor having dead pixels* "Yes, 5+ years later when it's $200 cheap"
"flexing" with being poor is cringe. how about being bettter in life!?
I am in college, earning certifications, and getting by with what I have. Yes, I am being better in life just not yet blessed with a job
Oled will never get that cheap unfortunately. I guess Micro LED will in the future.
@@axcn4733wow, you are pathetic.
@@H3LLGHA5Tgood for aftermarket I guess
Thanks Tim !
I have the 27GR95QE-B. Initially I was surprised how low the brightness is. After using it for a while and going back to my old IPS display, I now prefer the lower brightness.
13:18 Personally, I find the red & green fringing on right side FAR more distracting than the slight shadowing on the left side.
I agree with you. However, I think what he's saying is, at normal sitting distance the colours blend together so well you cannot perceive the fringing while you can still perceive the shadowy appearance of the WOLED panel he's testing from LG. Zoomed in the QD-OLED looks worse to me, but at arm's length from the monitor, it appears to look clearer/sharper without the fringing being apparent.
I've read and watched this be said by multiple reviewers who tried QD-OLED and one review even chose not to show a zoomed-in shot of the QD-OLED display because they felt it misrepresented how the text actually looks and didn't want to give a false impression to the viewer. That review was for the Alienware AW3225QF by the PCMonitors channel here on TH-cam.
Uniformity - do you know what that is? How monitor performs under white or any other color and show any tint while watching under different angles. I have very bad news for you but on white screen LG will tint on higher angles while qd-oled have perfect uniformity all around the screen. White is White. I have qd-oled from msi and its absolutely breath taking with no issues of any fringing/tinting just tack sharp. You have to see one by your own eyeballs and they you will make the same conclusion.
QD-OLED for life!
thanks for the comparison, I ordered the LG
How is it? May I ask what you paid if it’s ok?
Perfection… this video is great
Thank you
Well... I'm in the hunt for the MPG 321URX but its nowhere to be found in stock and I can't comprehend why MSI is being so slow to provide them to retail stores, that translates to losing money to the competition.
That would not be msi that would be samsung itself.
16:05 should have given more attention to this by showing more footage regrading the coating grain/clarity issue. after all this is a monitor...... clarity of the image is the most important factor.
theres no issue rather than the matte coating check out woled gray vertical banding and tell me if thats a problem
Nice work.
thx for the video
I'm watching this on my WOLED monitor and my QD-OLED TV simultaneously to see the difference
Blasphemy!
You have to be in one camp and hate the other!
noo bof bad! burn in boohoo /s. Hell yeah a mans living the best life :D
14:40 That shot tell me everything I want to know about WOLED vs QD-OLED (how we can talk about color accuracy when on qd-oled even reflection of white light for some reason become red)
We can talk about colour accuracy since the phenomenon you are referring to only occurs when the colour black is displayed in a high ambient light environment.
Amazing video, This helps me understand the differences perfectly, though i have to say I disagree on the Mat/Glossy argument.
I have 2 displays with a Mat coating it, 2 of the same model ( MSI Optix MAG274QRF-QD) Next to me is a massive window that covers most of the room in width. On both monitors I can essentially look outside and roughly make out what is there. But because its a Mat coating and it scatters light, it becomes a MASSIVE blurry blob on my display making anything displayed on the monitor, especially if its darker, hard to see. Incontrast, my Touch screen laptop which is pointed directly at the window is much easier to look at as any light that hits it, keeps confined to the point it hits rather than becoming a massive blob.
You can see this in the video aswel. The light strip that is held up becomes about twice the size on the glossy screen While you don't see detail on the reflection on the mat coating, due to this being such a large white streak, it covers anything on the screen and you would need a brighter display to work around it. The reflection on the glossy monitor is much dimmer as a whole, but larger. But due to it being dimmer, your screen has a better chance of overpowering the brightness of the reflection.
Because reflections are still an issue, and arguably worse on a Matt display due to how it scatters light, the downsides of Mat displays are outweight by the positives of a glossy display.
Glossy displays are brighter and more colour accurate because the coating doesn't scatter light. If you don't want reflections you either have to light control your room, or buy a Monitor hood.
Exactly. Matte screen does not fucking magically remove reflection they only DIFFUSE THEM TO EVEN BIGGER "BLOBS" but people here are brainless sheeps to grasp such a concept. RTINGS review showed that actually semi-glossy finish actually handles better reflections compared to LG matte. So go figure.
Your monitors are IPS panels... the coatings for WOLED are completely different. I went from an LG 27GP850 to a ASUS PG27AQDM & even though they are both matte the reflections are so much better on the OLED. Something to also keep in mind: any ambient lighting facing QDOLEDs will make the screen a greyed out purple mess, reflections will be the least worry. QDOLED will be best in a dark room.
But what about raised black levels? Aren't the matte oleds much better at preventing this? I've seen demonstrations of it.
That being said, I chose QD-Oled because OF COURSE I'm choosing to control ambient light in my room, making the raised blacks a non-issue (plus getting the benefits of QD).
@@saxoman1Matte screens are not magically removing reflections, they are defusing them into blobs. Check review on RTINGS for AW3225QF and reflection handling. It handles them very good even compared to last year matte on LG! Side note: Don't shine harsh light on qd-oled and you will be fine with black levels also best HDR experience is ALWAYS in black room. No matter if its LG or qd oled.
Good review 🙌🫡
I order my Asus OLED PG32UCDM and beside me i have my LG C1 with the V2 panel and it s just a dream !!!
how would you compare the two?
What about dirty grays? I cant use woled because they will artefact displaying gray/darker shades as I use dark mode in windows. Unsuable for proper desktop use for us nerds or heavy pc users that cant anymore use light mode.
And, almost no reviewer talks about the "dirty gray" issues. If they do they simply and quickly just mention it that is suffers from it but not anything else. Basically they just want to sell the products instead of educate us on eventual issues they may have.
Who cares about color accuracy lol 480Hz mode bro and no burn in warranty for $400 more is better because I'm shining my $2000 studio lights at monitor and I see the deep blacks in this case. lol
Just upgraded from a 77CX to a 77 s95d. Using it as a monitor. The g4 is available in 83, has a 5 year panel warranty, and requires many less workarounds. But I went with the qd oled anyway.
My OSD slightly burned in to my CX so they gave me a replacement option. I spent some extra to get the s95d instead.
...and they let me keep the cx
In a dark room it doesn't matter, but the WOLED was monumentally better in the well lit room in its black screen. Substantial really. I'll probably go QD-OLED for my setup, but they both have their strengths.
I will take the Glossy QD-OLED anyway over those horrible matte coating, I never liked matte coating and it's the main reason the best looking monitor I owned up until QD-OLED was an old Apple Cinema Display.
there is no "the matte" coating there are probably as many varients than oled monitor models out. Some old displays no doubt look bad but nowadays its fine. i own a TN panel and a cx oled.
@@Takashita_SukakokiI have seen matte OLED and Glossy OLED, the Glossy not only subjectively looks better but objectively looks better based on how light is scattered when passing through the coating.
There is no matte coating that can match the clarity and vibrancy of a glossy coating
@@kinghadu9611 you own a lg oled panel monitor based off woled? Overall the issue seems blown out of proportion most people had that 2002 lcd matte screen that look like it was coated in vaseline. i would take perfect black lvls in brighter conditions over magenta tint.
@@Takashita_SukakokiNothing is blown out of proportion, matte coating is like Vaseline smeared sh!t all over the screen.
@@kinghadu9611 dont know what screen you lookin at mate maybe visit doctor for that.
What's with everyone of these monitors (also cited by EVERY other yt review) claiming this bs 0.03 ms gtg response time. 0.3 I get and see in Tim's reviews, but 10x faster come on.
If you're going to move the decimal point to the left in GTG how about extending it to the price tag as well.
yeah that is years of bs marketing...
the GtG is out of ass for all monitor claims but fact is the same. OLED have 0 ghosting
Is this new camera? What a beast
another great video. thanks for the hard work and excellent editing. clear, concise, and data based with just enough real world experience to help buyers make an informed choice.
both techs are amazing, but the color pop in QDOLED is the decisive factor for me
Unfortunately both option seems to have own problems.
I'll wait for more refined solutions...
People waited 10+ years for such a tech and its available. While you wait I hope you will be younger as well. Last year monitors was not that refined especially with text clarity or no burn in warranty but 2024 oled monitors are top shelves choices no matter what.
As a person who is 49 years old, I already waited more than 5 years for oled panel, which makes me very happy, because my investments grew multiple fold since 2017.
With the same figure, I could have bought one (which already very old tech) oled tv, I can now buy multiple of them.
It won't kill me to buy right product, either in later part of 2024 or in 2025.
I got no rush...
the qd oled needs a damn polorizer its so basic it hurts. Why they havent done it ... probably a technical issue...
@@ozanozkirmizi47$1000 is not life changing investment. I have been waiting 10+ years ti finally overcome motion ghosting have deep contrast and first oleds TV had that but they were burning like cakes in a oven. Nowadays we having Good Step in the right direction and these monitors really well perform.
I hope you'll do tv reviews as well especially new lg and Samsung line up
I think the real correct monitor to get besides these two niche types that will never be fully utilized properly is 27in 1440p 360hz QD OLED. Simply put, any GPU from mid tier-high end will see the full benefits of this monitor. The price is normally outstanding around 700-900usd, you get the smooth clarity of 360hz even at lower frames, best color vibrancy and accuracy, better flexibility, still future proofed, better burn in warranty, and you can nearly get two for the price of one of these. There's a reason many are sold out still today, very lucky to have mine 271QRX by MSI. Unless you are just weird and want to game at 1080p 480hz maining only valorant, siege, overwatch or Cs, I just don't see any reason to bother with this monitor until prices drop big. Max settings you can still enjoy what I recommended almost fully in 85 percent of games, but these 4k models it ain't even worth it to get close to 240hz. Easy winner, my recommendation.
It’s been a lot of drama on TH-cam that matte coatings are superior compared to glossy.
It is a shame the recent QD-OLED use semi-gloss instead of full glossy like the LG OLED tvs.
Semi gloss is better since it reduces the harshness of mirror reflections. I think you mean you wish QD-Oled had a polarizing layer or something to increase the contrast in high ambient lighting conditions.
@@FrowningTaco I swear most of there "gloss vs matte" people have never seen them side by side and are just repeating the loud minority. I own a cx, a tn from 2017 and briefly the lg 1440p 240hz OLED (the things i noticed side by side was awful vertical banding and fuzzy text), oh and the amazing fan.
S95D is using a anti reflective coat yeah? A harsher variant on what is used on their new 2024 monitors?
Someone did a early shootout of the S95C, A95L, S90D, G3 and S95D with the 95D being the only one with a matte like coating and its the only monitor that is blooming like its a MiniLED.
Until the god monitor comes along as prophecised in the ancient scrolls (which in my mind is basically a mini lg c2),
…it seems to me qd-oled + some blackout curtains from Ikea/amazon is the way to go for pinnacle image quality and that full oled experience.
I like the lighting you you use for the dark lighting environment. I wonder how this compares to that same lighting on the other side of the screen. Dark room with colored backlighting. I like to use colored lights around my room for an over all ambient lightinf setup.
I'm on a lg c3 woled ngl I really can't notice anything more than the awesome blacks, pixel response times and hdr performance
42 inch TV (if thats what you have) is no the same as desktop use monitor for 60 cm depth desk. No matter what your excuses are. Its too big for FPS games and people who work with text need them to be sharper than 1080p comparable at this size as TV.
@@MrM-dl5zm I'm on a 55 and I use my pc as a console and don't play fps games do idc
@@SidakSKocharWell. I do. 32 inch is absolute max. for me. My desk size and I play a lot of FPS games. From cs, overwatch, cod even older games like left4dead2 or other types. And even for fps games I sometimes adjust monitor (bring it a little bit further back on monitor arm)
im not sure if i should get OLED at all. due to the burn in you always mention
Because thats a oled technology. msi qd oled 4K is like $950 with 3 year burn in warranty. When you taste that deep contrast and HDR you will never go back or even care about burn in lol Not to mention superior motion clarity with no ghosting at all.
@@MrM-dl5zm I bet. I worry cause I use my monitors for gaming only a couple of hours a week the rest of the time its just regular use, work etc.
@ChrisMattar This dude is serioisly right. I cant go back to regular TVs after OLED
I don't get why wouldn't Samsung just switch to the standard rgb layout, is there any drawbacks other than planned obsolescence?
It's easy to call them out for "planned obsolescence" when you have absolutely no idea what goes into manufacturing these cutting edge tech panels smh
@@keppycshe asked what the drawbacks were didn‘t he?
@@keppycs learn to read buddy
"is there any drawbacks *other than planned obsolescence?*"
@@keppycs yes, i don't know what the reason might be, that's why im asking, to educate myself. Seeing as the green subpixel is the biggest it might have something to do with our eyes having a great perception of that color, but once again i have no idea, that's why im asking the question
Having better color brightness (Color Volume) is a big deal just so you understand. It makes colors pop and when you actually have a panel that can display true blacks like OLED can it make the colors even more beautiful. This is the reason I choose the QD-OLED over WOLED. Again, this is highlighted well in this video! I would definitely make my choose based on what's best for you. The increased framerate at lower res is a big deal if you are a competitive gamer! I personally enjoy single player games and want the best picture possible. Honestly any one is going to be a big upgrade from IPS or... god forbid... a TN panel...
Edit: Just thought of a good example. You know how some HDR monitors are washed out even though they have good color space range? Its color volume. Color volume is what makes colors look vivid, vibrant, and pop! Not the range of colors a monitor can display.
I was hoping you did this take i only trust you when in come to monitor
Looking forward to 27 inch 4K QD-OLED next year
i would be very surprised if we get a 27" 4k OLED next year. have you seen how long it took them to even make 32" 4k OLEDs?
i think 2026 is a more realistic expectation but of course i can be wrong. The problem is the size of the pixels. Fitting in 8.2 mio oled pixel in 32" was massively challenging, now they need to make them even smaller to fit them into 27". As someone who went from 27" 1440p to a 27" 4k monitor and then went to 32" 4k i can say that the jump from 27" 1440p to the same size but 4k was noticeable but not really a game changer. The gamechanger was indeed keeping the same resolution but going 32". The 4k in 27" felt a bit more like a sidegrade if you are already on a 27" display.
@@th3oristSamsung Display already had a working prototype of a 27" 4k QD Oled at CES this year. They also told TFT Central that mass production for this display should begin in 1H 2025.
@@FrowningTaco ah alright then
@@th3orist This is what I'm torn about right now: I own a 27-inch 1440p monitor and I'm not sure whether to upgrade to a 32-inch 4K monitor or a 27-inch 4K monitor in the future.
Is there any improvement in resolution between the 32 4k and 27 1440 ? Thanks
@@yankiizone.1421 The difference is huge and totally worth it. 32" 4k wins over 27" 1440p any day of the week and also over 27" 4k. If you worry that 32" 4k won't be crisp enough because its bigger, then don't worry. When i switched from 27" 4k to 32" 4k i honestly thougt it was crisper than the 27" 4k, simply because of the size, because 4k in 27" was overkill, it was too small to really make 4k shine. Yes of course it was crisper than 27" 1440p, but for me only when i switched to 32" 4k really hit right. So i say: Go for 32" 4k. Do not go 27" 4k if you already have 27" 1440p. Looking back when i did this, i should not have done it.
Leaning towards WOLED for the pure blacks regardless of lighting condition.
QD-OLED color volume is pretty nice though.
Warm and oversaturated colors , but people love this color's on qd oled
@@user-pu2ro8ok3rsent my ASUS QD oled back due to the over the top warm orange tint in HDR. Plus being locked out of any settings while in HDR is just mental.
I’ll be waiting for the WOLED I think.
@@Captain-ChatsDon't forget to post your whining when you notice that LG also have HDR locked settings while realizing that HDR on qd-oled was actually closer to more accurate white point and brighter in real scene than LG. (compared HDR EOTF, color HDR volume from @MonitorUnboxed reviews from both monitors)
@@user-pu2ro8ok3r"Monitor A is dimmer but B monitor is brighter but people love this brighter on B monitor" If you have used all your life inaccurate monitors then you would know that industry standard is delta 6500k color temperature while your LG is colder out of box. You can set them to whatever you like if you color meter but "out of box" qd-oleds are more accurate and have SHOCKER a bigger color volume which for people is like discovering a stick in pre human era.
@@MrM-dl5zm your wrong ! the LG lets you change colour temp in HDR. I have a video that was sent to me from a reviewer on TH-cam as I reached out that proves it
Thanks!
Thank you guys for this great video explaining the differences of the two OLED panel techs! Been thinking back and forth what type of monitor I want to get later on.
W-OLED all the way. My Alienware 34 inch ultra wide had insane purple tinting when even the smallest amount of light was on it. My LG OLED has no such issue and is amazing.
because ultra wide is curved and bouncing light all over the place lol
I'm puzzled why this fact is being completely ignored. Absolutely EVERYWHERE where QD technology is involved, it gives a parasitic purple/magenta tint to the white color. In any video where monitors or TVs are compared side by side, one can immidiately spot the QD by it's lack of pure white colors. And no, this can't be solved by calibration.
@@andreypotapov8898 I'm puzzled why I can't see this purple tint? Oh yeah I forgot. I don't shine a sun light or studio light at my msi qd-oled monitor but for some people including you its out of boundary beyond any recognition obstacle to avoid this.
But hey at least a smeared oil vaseline look with washed out colors, no burn in warranty and $400 more LG is more pleasing at least because you can shine studio light and don't have any raised blacks/purple tint from panel lol.