what spring should I put on my Gel blaster
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2018
- there are so many springs out there. what do they actually do? whats the best?
how many FPS do they make? do I need to upgrade to metal gears?
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Still no idea which spring is better after watching all of that you should put the results up at the end of which performed best and what you
Would recommend
It depends what setup you have.
Love this spring test bud! No body dose the reviews/ tests like you man! Love how you go in depth.
Not boring at all mate. You're informative, easy to listen to and easy to follow.
I got my first blaster last week and modded it successfully 3 days ago thanks to your videos.
Keep up the good work dude
Super new to Gel blasters and picking up my first this week, thought this was a great video not boring at all! Helps me to start makign sense of all the upgrades out there!
Watched it all mate, not boring at all... Im a noob to gel blasters so Im trying to take in any info I can... Pretty stoked I found your channel... Good informative ideas! - Cheers from Western Australia
Perth?
@@shingfu4319 Geraldton mate, 400kms North
@@Top-Jimmy rip, tryna find ppl to play with
@@shingfu4319 We are on the list for the first Air Soft centre in WA mate, Hopefully not too much longer... Its an abandoned Resort.. Google it as its going to be happening by early next year.
@@Top-Jimmy Huge props, hopefully this sets precedent for us over here in QLD, all these people freaking out about replica guns are frustrating to no end, even in QLD I've only seen a few real guns up close and most of them are just well looked after .22's used on farms, nobody is going to walk around with an actual AR15/M4A1, that's the best way to get arrested.
Good luck on the Airsoft centre, I might have to visit some time next year if this Coronavirus dies down a bit.
Great video,
bro all ways look forward to seeing what you've got to inform us about. Your spring testing, classic
should get my first blaster today some time so these videos are really interesting and informative to me. glad there's some support for these things building up
Nice vid man, some great info. That example of the different default factory springs and how much they can impact the performance of the gun out of the box was good.
That was a great video! Still learning a lot. As a tech nerd i love these stats and comparisons.
Great video, It wasn't boring at all. Keep up the good work
Good stuff! Love watching what u do :)
Great feed back mate good to know thank u
Brilliant video. I used an online spring calculator before buying my upgrade springs but I like the comparison you did. The carbon steel (dark colour) are stiffer than stainless (all else being equal). Unequal coils soften the spring rate and I'm guessing it's to reduce stress on the gears as it's a progressive rate.
Sadly my g36c gearbox lasted only minutes with a 1.4 unequal spring before the gears got stripped.
Would be good if you could do a field test on range and accuracy with a stock 1.1mm using 3s 11.1v battery vs 1.5mm .
Hey Low.. can you do a vid like this talking about motors and gear ratios? I see so many diferent speeds available, torque ratings etc also lots of diferent ratio gears.. im sure some combos are gear destroying. Be great if you could shed some light on how to get good reliable speeds and then push the envelope till power,wires springs etc become an insurmaountable issue
Very informative thanks mate
Obviously I can't count. There is clearly 4 springs.
I thought I was missing something, i'm sitting hear thinking maybe he means 3 extra springs or something?
3 springs, got it
lol - i was sitting there thinking i've obviously missed something!
UAVfutures what are you doing here?
@@UAVfutures thought I was seeing things when I saw this name, small world ;)
Awesome video. If it’s boring we can turn it off . I’m new to all of this & absolutely loving it. Keen to watch more . Play my 1st gel all game today.
Fewer coils= stiffer spring. But it also means a shorter spring, which means less or no preload.
The close coils in the center are a spacer used to lengthen the spring.
Spring rates are normally measured by how many kgs it takes to compress a spring by 1mm.
Springs can be linear (equally distanced coils measured with a single number) or progressive (unequally spaced coils requiring 2 numbers, a min and max spring rate). But if the coils are in contact they cannot store energy, and act as a spacer.
Cheers mate for sharing, great video. just wondering...
Have you had the chance to try the upgrade 1.4 spring similar to the first few you tested???
im curious if it will hit 300fps on the stock 2s Li-ion????? or failing that, a turnigy 2s airsoft lipo????
Great video thanks and defs not boring at all man
So we are all just ignoring the apparently severed head in the background then...
Thanks for video,may u make a different 1.4 standard spring vs 1.4 unequal spring
This was a good watch! Impressed with 300 FPS as stock 👍🏻 just starting out myself and still stock waiting on bit to show up
I need to watch these videos as they my only source of education
Hey, nice video you have here. I'm new in this gel blaster world and want to know exact spec for the upgraded spring for stock gearbox like the length, OD, and how many coils in it. Because many 1.3 springs out there with different length and I don't want to accidentally break my gearbox 😅.
Great video and very informative... I wonder if there is a better spring for the SURG XL?
thank you very much for the info
Hehehe......3 springs ...huh ?
That'll haunt ya forever !
Lol.
Not boring chop. The opposite. Cheers for the vid!
Hey mate just getting into blasters very informative videos just got a M4 V10
good guide , the heavyer the spring (weather it be by winding or style ) the more fps , till you kill stuff .
3 springs ay 😜
Was there a follow up on this to show what the upgraded gears and seal does as in improving it at all?
this vid will only be boring for those who dont want more fps, cheers for sharing dude
I like you video so what was the Airsoft bring that you are putting because they go from 110 up to 150 and that's what's written on them could you tell me please
You really need to present a table of results at the end, or even better, in the description! By my sums, the 1.5 12.5 spring was marginally higher fps than the 1.4 13.9 spring. I think all of us were expecting the opposite, but I feel like there were other factors skewing the results, e.g. the individual fps numbers ranged from 260 to 323, which is a huge disparity, showing how many other variables are at play. That said, the typical numbers did clearly increase as the spring size and deflection scale increased.
Pretty glad I’ve seen this. Thought something was wrong with my modded M4A1 after I added a 1.5 unequal spring. It wouldn’t work even with a 3cell. Measure the bore fully pumped and the spring fully compressed. It had .5mm between each coil.
Might have to trim a lil at a time till it works.
then just heat the cut end with a blow torch and flatten it off.
Could you use a shorter spring and stretch it a bit. Wouldn't that make it more powerful?
Everyone in house said this was super boring....me personally I really enjoyed it!
Hi, just wondering for clarification. the "deflection" scale
1.3mm spring came in at 11.6?
what measurement is the 11.6 how do i take it? i'm trying to replicate this and choose the right spring.
His deflection scale is the compressed length with 2kg hanging off it.
does a different spring shatter the gels where another doesnt?
if you have slightly lower acceleration but over a longer time, would the gel survive and travel faster?
So co you do this test to the m series springs like m90 m120 m140 m190 m240 etc
Should walk us through a std6 gearbox upgrade
Would love to see a ‘how to upgrade’ series of videos.
Most GB videos are about 2yr’s old - did everyone leave the hobby?
Was a long video. But I had the same questions so time well spent watching
Hey mate great video. Just wondering if you knew if a 1.3 Equal length spring in JingMing Gen 8 Gearbox would work long term?
It will i did that for about 10 games with no problem but then went a full custom box. Stock with 1.3 will last quite some time
So what actually happens to the accuracy does it make it better or do the gels curve more
Sweet vid, rookie question but do u need to grease a spring at all before chucking it in?
I have never greased the spring. But i always lube the plunger.
if I had metal gears could I use a 1.5 spring and have the gearbox not break?
awesome!!
Awesome vid very helpful. Should company 1.3 between different suppliers see who got the good shit
What spring should I put on the lehui sig mpx?
I want to to get a gen 8 m4a1, what would be a good spring to increase range and speed? Also what upgrades would help to increase FPS and durability?
Honestly I'd recommend getting something like the Wells, it's good fps stock and quite a few upgrades to easily make it 350+ fpa
What spring would give you more power for a m4a1 gen8? :/
mate whats your/or the shop you work for because i would really like to purchase from you guys??
what size should i put on my JinMing's M4 Terminator?
that zoom lol was that intended for humour because if so well done
Great vid man , quick one does changing to metal gears offer any downfalls ? after shimming is there wear and excess stressers on the rest of the parts ? i only ask as i have a nylon gearbox case and upgraded plunger head and plunger im ready to put a 1.2 or 1.3 do i have to upgrade the gears and should i upgrade them also is there an issue with running hte standard Gen8 box on 11.1volt will standard gears hold up to the extra rpm ?
Metal gears are louder, heavier, harder to shim. If you are not stripping the nylons then I don't see the point going metal. However if you are... metal is the only option.
Thank u....
So...yes the video was informative but wayyy too much info.. now im really confused which spring to buy lol... Most of us just want a bog standard reliable spring upgrade together with a 11.1V battery to increase FPS to around 280-300 without burning out the motor. What would you advise is a solid spring to buy for this minimal standard upgrade ARP9 pls?
Recommend spring for acr j10
I want power and accuracy
You should measure its load length with your vernier and some scales see how much force it takes to compress it and its length it starts to compress at..
That would be a more accurate way to measure the spring rating.
great stuff mate its so handy to have this kind of info I don't want to sound like I'm hating or anything but does the stock j8 gear box come with plastic or nylon gears I know that plastic and nylon are similar but pretty sure nylon is a bit stronger then plastic
just want to know your opinion great vids mate
Im pretty sure they are nylon gears. I could be wrong though.
@@lowguidoschopshop
There nylon but they still need metal for high springs an pressures of high FPS or they just get chewed up.
Also depends on the blaster as Well as I have a 1.4 spring in my gen8 m4ss and it averages at 320fps and max of 369fps
How long inner barrel?
What you running in your gear box?
Nice work!
But what is the diameter?
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Instead of just measuring compressed spring height, you could measure the delta(initial height - compressed height = delta) to eliminate the inconsistent spring lengths.
I initially did this but found that it was less useful for comparison because a longer spring with the same delta would be more powerful than a shorter one. I tried to explain it in the video (poorly) once they are in the gear box they all have the same initial length.
I have a 1.25mm spring and a green O ring that thing is awesome. It's perfect for a stock J9 gearbox and really how it should have come from the factory.
I love getting high FPS as much as the next guy but some people can't handle getting hit by a 350FPS gel ball and refuse to play after getting hit a by 15 of them in under a second haha.
alfaholic3 where do you buy green o rings from?
@@Zeeblur ebay is easiest for me. Gelballmod is also great but they ship from china.
Hey mate, you using a 7.4v or a 11.1v battery to run your 1.25mm spring?
@@2000Racha both work ok for me. That being said who doesn't love higher fire rate so i use 11.1v.
alfaholic3 i see. Are you using the stock gears and motor bro?
Not boring at all. I'm glad you go the extra distance to find things out. I find it very interesting. But l would of liked to see how many mags it would of taken to break it??? But Great Work, Please Keep it up. Thank you. Scott
I ran the very 1.5mm spring in this video in one of my blasters at 11.1v with completely stock internals for another 3 months before it died, and it only died because the spring retainer broke out the back of the gearbox. if the casing was stronger it would have lasted a bit longer I think.
@@lowguidoschopshop Thank you, that's very helpful info as l was wondering how long the plastic will last with such force/pressure on it. I'm quite concerned about this. Is there a video u have done or can do to show a solution for this problem??? As lm sure many people are running 1.3+ springs an are going to run into this problem if they haven't already. Thanks your channel is THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE AN COMPLETE CHANNEL THERE IS, I PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AN DILIGENCE. THANK YOU. SCOTT
@@scottp9425 a nylon gearbox case would certainly help.
Does the motor have to be upgraded to pull back on those more powerful springs or is it all in the battery?
What if I put 1.4mm or 1.5mm to my m4a1 gen8 need help please reply
Anyone know where can I get a metal gear box for a jinming gen 9 m4??
Just noticed my sping is thicc and stiff and it hurts so much
Gday mate, hey quick question. Is it ok to cut spring to fit better inside the piston. The reason I ask is I went to change a spring (on my first tear down of a gearbox) and found the spring was way to long and was basically going from side to side in the gear box. It didn’t feel right to me, so I pulled it out and left the standard one in there.
I have used cut down springs plenty of times, and it has been fine. you just need to flatten the end where you cut it.
@@lowguidoschopshop thanks mate. Is it still ok to use the springs uncut even though they’re all bent up in the piston though?
How about target test with 1.2 vs 1.3 to see if smaller spring gives tighter more accurate shot group
It obviously would tho man, with a plastic barrel & shooting that much fps 😅
please man , help me set up a nylon gear box into a nylon reciever :P you are the man !!!
Ok what spring do I put in my skd glock 18 to give it the most power
Guido, want to borrow one of my text books on spring tension? It'll give you all the information about how to understand what you're testing.
Very well demonstrated, totally understandable. I'm running a 1'5 long spring with full metal gear box an upgraded 480 high torque, double green seal + 11.1 V battery, comp alloy barrel. An I'm getting consistent 340 FPS for over 3 months with no problems except for sells exploding, so upgraded to solid centers an have been ripping out rounds with no problems. Except having to reload very often!! Thanks Mate great vids...
I get 230fps only... use 1.5 spring, all part metal, nylon casing... hehehe...
@@nh_1990 But look at how just a spring can make such a massive difference!!. Scott
Holly crap! That's alot of fps 😅 im surprised the gell balls can hack that sort of power
@@nh_1990 hey bud :) that's kinda surprising actully, coz he was pretty much getting consistent 280 to 290fps with only the 1.3? With the stock internals man.. maybe ya springs a different type?
@@8drifit
Cos lm using hard gell centers. But some of em do explode!! An lm sure it won't be long till the plastic spring retainer gives out, as low guido's did with the 1.5 spring. But it's a lot of messing around for just more fps. 240 - 270 is plenty, an u have better reliability over the long run!! Plus u also need to do the 11volt conversion. Witch is more work!! So it's not just do this an all's good. It's constant maintenance!! A pain in the area really!!. Scott
I think 1.3 spring is the best for good fps and long use... You don't want to mess up breaking your plastic or nylon gearbox with super strong spring...
Just get metal gears
@@alfaholic3 if i have metal gears what level of spring would you safely get to without failures
@@twicebreakrhino4591 the issue then ends up being the gearbox casings. The black nylon casings are pretty strong, much better than the clear plastic. I'm currently using a 1.5mm spring in mine. I wouldnt go over 1.3mm with stock casing although maybe you could get away with it.
@@alfaholic3 well I'm planning on getting the metal gear rx akm47 however atm i don't know what casing it has I'll look now
@@alfaholic3 yeah ok it is plastic and atm i dont feel like there are the sufficient case upgrades available however are metal cases a thing?
What's the fattest spring that'd safely go into a stock bolt action AWM (identical plastic chamber as the M24) without breaking the insides? Until I can get the metal chamber upgrade kit.
I have heard of people breaking the bolt handle off on the standard spring.. so use caution.
@@lowguidoschopshop thanks for the tip. I might holdoff until I get the upgrade done.
what spring should i get to upgrade my m4a1 gen 9
Trampoline spring on the pull bridge for Max fps 👍👍👍
@VortexModz M100 will ruin stock gears
Can I put an M140 spring in my gen8 nylon gear Kriss Vector V2 and expect it to work long term?
no. M140 would definitely destroy your blaster. M90 M100 max. even then the nylon would be having a hard life.
@@lowguidoschopshop I have new metal mosfets and metal gears at a 18:1 ratio, do you think it could then handle the M120 spring I ordered?
It will probably run for a while. But definitely not forever.
Hi Mate,
I just did an total upgrade on gearbox. Metal gears, plunger, cylinder head, ladder, motor, piston head and 11.1 battery with 1.4 uneven spring. My problem is that the uneven spring is binding up after a couple shots. I have spent 2 days on it so far with no result. If I put the standard spring back in it works fine. I hope you can help me. I am close to throwing it all at wall.
I had the same issue with a 1.5mm i found that it was simply too long and I needed to cut a few coils off it then heat the end with a blow torch to flatten it off again.
Many thanks. Might try a 1.2 spring first before i start to cut anything. Too be honest I'm not skilled enough to cut. The next issue I'm having is most of the gel balls are disintegrating on exit. Would you recommend any particular gel balls and from who to get them from.
@@lowguidoschopshop
My last question mate, and sorry for being a pain but you have been the most helpful person about gel blasters. Where or who do you get your milkies from?
just off ebay mate, but get the ones in the gold packets!
Same probs.. switch to a new tail piece and plunger head
Would a nylon gearbox cope with a 1.3 or would it wear it out pretty quick?
It will last a fair while.
Ty
i wonder what spring my M401 has in it stock?... i do eventually want to upgrade it to a 1.4 unequal or there about but i planned to go metal gears, spring guide, o rings e.c.t. first so it can handle the pressure of the spring. end goal is 350-400 fps
How did u go?
I won't get 4 mate I've gone all metal GEARBOX metal buffer tubes metal double green oring 480 11 volt high torque motor, 1'5 spring metal trigger comp alloy barrel. An I've gone up to 380 but the gells just exploded they can't handle the massive force there subjected to. So I went to solid center gells brought it down to 340 an its working brilliant. But I hope u have plenty of MAGS. I run double mags. An in a ten minute game I'm out after 12 mags an you'll need plenty of batterys. So it's good but not practical for mil SIM games. But you'll luv the sound!!! Good luck with it. Also metal parts NOT SO quiet!!!
well it had a 1.3mm spring stock, has seen a lot of use, last time i checked it it is down to 180-190 fps, replaced the o-ring no difference, discovered i have an air leak at the cylinder head, have new cylinder, cylinder head, plunger, plunger head and nozzle on order, my goal now is 300-310fps now i have learn't more, i am going to run it as my DMR (end goal), i have 3 mags total and 2 spare batteries, that last me well enough for now.
@@trodengore
Go for it make sure u get a METAL plunger or it won't last long an you'll need a Mosfet micro trigger mech to keep it all in sync its not easy running such high pressures an tolerance. Hope it works out.
"preload" is the word you're looking for 🤣
1.3 even or 1.4 uneven or other for gen 8?
You are upgrading your gearbox as well ? Will need metal gears and new Piston for those springs, or you will be replacing them pretty soon as they will break. If stock i would suggest going for a 1.25 uneven spring. Awesome spring and you will see decent upgrades >1.4 and above is for decently modified blasters
My m4ss with a 11.1v battery cant seem to handle a 1.4mm spring
What should i upgrade to make it work better?
its probably more to do with the standard MOSFET. you can direct wire like a JM gen8 or change the MOSFET to a better one.. im trying to come up with a solution to this.
@@lowguidoschopshop Motor and/gears, you need torque to pull the spring back. Gears at 32:1 will do that well, But unless you are getting a metal box, metal gears and piston/cylinder upgrade. your blaster wont last that long with 1.3 and higher.
Unequal springs are also designed to have shorter sharper punch in the same distance as a standard spring and be more gentle on the gearbox. 1.25 unequal spring will outperform a 1.3 standard and keep the blaster working
i have a ar15 it is 100 fps. if i put a 1.0 spring will it broke? Just say what you think about it
100fps seems quite low. What AR15 is it? I think it should be ok to upgrade but I don't know for sure.
interesting!
yeah well nerf upgrade springs are rated in kg's so weird how gel blasters grade them by thickness. new to this hobby been a nerfer for a while this does confuse me lol.
how about the accuracy? if i use spring 1.4?
accuracy depends largely on the barrel and hop up.
another quick question is your std6 stock or have you done a bit of work to it … because mine runs like shit … I might need to mess with the forward assist speed adjustment now that I mention it ….. any upgrades that you know of would be handy cheers
My STD6 is stock, with a T piece mod.
should I upgrade my gears if I upgrade to the strongest spring?
absolutely. big spring will destroy the plastic gears eventually.
Low Guido's Chop Shop awesome thanks
dude can 1.3 spring use in standard gears on m4a1 gen8 on longer use.?
yes. 1.3 all day every day.
Low Guido's Chop Shop will it work with everything else stock ? I'm being told not to but I want that 1.3 hahah
I use a 1.4 unequal in my standard gen 8 box. I have probably put around 200 thousand gels and it's still shooting around 320 fps. Don't believe what you read. They can handle a 1.4
@@gheufbfff really?
@@lowguidoschopshop so 1.3 is ok for stock j8@j9@j10 rite bro?
very miss leading info about 7.4 being the issue with 1.5 its because the standard battery hasnt got the discharge amps. volts only amplifies motor speed not torque.
What is O ring?
Let me Google that for you...
"An O-ring, also known as a packing, or a toric joint, is a mechanical gasket in the shape of a torus; it is a loop of elastomer with a round cross-section, designed to be seated in a groove and compressed during assembly between two or more parts, creating a seal at the interface." - Wikipedia
Shitty verniers dont help, maybe a good pair of Mitutoyo calipers are in order for future builds,
I think the gel ball won’t go far with it, cause all was ruined by the power.
20 volt battery 2.0 spring titanium gears
You said do do 😆