To the guy who asked how to get a liberal arts education without going to college, here is a reading list compiled from my college syllabuses of my English degree (heavily England/France-centric, not comprehensive): Old English-Middle English texts: Beowulf, Dream of the Rood, Canterbury Tales, Julian of Norwich + Book of Margery Kempe (religious) Early Modern English-Modern English: The Faerie Queene, A lot of Shakespeare (Macbeth, Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Merchant of Venice, Othello, The Tempest, Twelfth Night + Sonnet 73 would be my recommendations). Modernity (1600-Present): Paradise Lost (Milton), Two Treatises on Government (Locke), Wealth of Nations (Smith), Critique of Practical Reason (Kant), Either/Or + The Concept of Anxiety (Kierkegaard), The Wasteland (Eliot), To the lighthouse (Woolf), The heart is a lonely hunter (McCullers), The Stranger + The Myth of Sisyphus (Camus), the Autobiography of Malcolm X, The Wretched of the Earth (Fanon), Notes of a Native Son (Baldwin), The Need for Roots (Weil), The World Doesn't End (Simic), Gender Trouble (Butler), Of Grammatology (Derrida, only if you hate yourself), The Second Sex (Beauvoir), Rerum Novarum + Laborem Exercens + Centesimus Annus (Vatican), A Secular Age (Taylor, only if you hate yourself)
The bar for being support is now way higher then it was before. Keria and Lehends can reach challanger with other roles. So I assume having insane mechanics is also a new minimum in the support role. Lehends, Beryl, Life had reached rank 1 with support role.
I think it's a real shame Vetheo didn't get to be on a worlds contending team. I really wanted him to go to worlds. His performence in spring was caps-comparable. He was so fucking insane.
I love Monte trying to force him to agree on the backers. He understood the point he disagreed what the driver of the timer. The driver isn't how long it takes to kill. It's how long it takes to base and set up objectives. And he said the good teams know this. There is going to b a big difference in good v bad teams.
If LCS stopped getting ass chapped about not being good enough to beat the top 3 major regions and focused on a rivalry with LJL or even the PCS, the games will be more competitive and actually fun to watch. Kinda like how in international soccer (yeah it’s called football I know) we have crappy teams like the US and Mexico always qualify but never make it far, the matches still bring in thousands of fans in attendance just because of the common skill level and rivalry. If NA focused less on being the best major region and focused on its dominance as a minor region, at least in a fans perspective the outlook won’t be so damn pessimistic. Idk. But rinse and repeating getting swept in international best of 3s/5s is getting old.
The issue is that everyone involved in the LCS will never be able to separate their expectations from reality due to the sheer amount of money being poured into the teams. They spend money as if they were a major region and therefore expect to be a major region despite the results saying otherwise.
If NA focused on being the best major region it would be fine, but they don't. None of the players/teams are trying to win worlds because they just expect to lose to the big 3.
@@Atomizerk that's not all though. the LCS is literally made up of imports from said major regions, with a sprinkle of homegrown NA "talent" here and there
I can’t believe Nelson isn’t the most sought after coach in the west. Considering he’s one of the few coaches with deep LPL connections I can’t believe how much a gift he would be to have on a staff.
2:49:46 Great discussion there and on point. if someone wants to watch a nice video why modern RTS is in the state is in i'd recommend a video by GiantGrantGames called "The Next Major RTS Will Fail. This Is Why. " a few months back. he came to similar conclusion that one of the biggest reasons RTS were popular back in the day was user generated content. And nowadays they either dont have that at all or publishers make it so unappealing (cough W3 Reforged cough) that the people with creative ideas simply go to other games (such as Garry's Mod, Minecraft and especially Roblox) and create their stuff there.
In the end league is a team game. And we all knew that patrik is insane, miky was considered the best supp in EU for 3 years. Finn has always been middle of the pack and markoon seems to be the next big thing. Nukeduck has also always been really good. Resume: Excel is just a really good team. players arr also individually fine
I mean when they picked up mikyx they made playoffs. Also both Patrick and nukeduck have both shown they are really good especially Patrik. Man has been on bad teams but he was always a star on the team
@@Bowserguy62 When he made finals with OG in 2019, I'd say Patrik was not the star of the team. Alphari and especially Nukeduck was playing extremely well that split and carried the team imo.
1:06:46 players are allowed to speak during longer pauses. Just not about the game 2:27:32 I don't agree to make discipline the opposite of work/life balance and mental health. You can be disciplined and still look out for yourself. Yes Michael Jordan was showing certain behaviour and was mad successful (with the Bulls mostly) and I am sure that everyone who wants to reach the top of the top or achieve a certain level above the limit have a drive and willingness to sacrifice (at least to a certain degree) but you can still be driven and not be an asshole. Those, in my opinion, are not mutually exclusive.
The solution to the major minor region thing is so simple to me and riot already does it for msi. Tier 1: LCK, LPL, LEC Tier 2: LCS, VCS, PCS Tier 3 and 4: everyone else Tiering can be based on last 4 International performances or last 2 years so regions can move up and down. Tier 1 teams: 2 import slots from any tier Tier 2 teams: 2 import slots from any tier and 1 import slot from Tier 2 and below Etc etc. Yes there is a world where a teams like 100t construct a roster that is legal one year but then not the next. Only change the tierings between seasons, teams know ahead of time to start making roster decisions based on what Tier they are. 100t is the first team to not change a single member between seasons in a long time
Nelson is like the opposite of yamato. He says so much in so few words. Yamato says so little in so many words. I would much rather have Nelson in my org
I think that an MIBR team in LCS is a damn fact if all the minor regions are available to LCS... Today 1 US Dollar = 5 Brazilian Real... You can't compete with a raise that is 5 times bigger to a player and 5 times cheaper to the org.
I just wanna appreciate Monte asking interesting questions to Nelson. Really fun episode, especially Nelson flaming western toplaners but don't forget Western junglers, are getting gapped just as hard internationally. What Oner did to Jankos...was nsfw. I think I didn't even see Jankos in that T1 vs G2 semis, Jankos was ready to go home as Oner/Zeus wrecked G2. Not even T1 fan, but Oner is on his second year (just like Canyon won Worlds on his 2nd year), has higher potential/way scarier than Jankos who people consider best jungler in the West. G2 is a good LEC team, but not Worlds winner potential. G2 2022 is just slightly better version of G2 2016-2018, with one superstar carry threat.
Top gapp has always been the biggest historically. Jankos isn't as good as Oner maybe, but he was also playing with significantly worse Top/Bot so that does make the game much harder for Jungler
I understand that oner looked way better then jankos but jankos is a dog jungler which mean if his laners does bad he will look way worse then normal he will give everything up for his laners to have better lanning phases and that why I love him as a jungler but it’s has it downside where if ur laner can’t do anything u look like a ant
I see jungling since S10 in Pro Play as an additional support most of the time, of course there are some carries that see play, but most of the time their role is supporting the lanes and giving vision, also almost always they stop farming after 15 min to give more resources to their laners, so I cant blame Jankos given the massive gap that existed in top and bot.
Man its so stressful to watch Nelson trying to imply that "LEC players are so under-practiced against good opponents therefore they suck" while trying to be not so straightforward as to not attract too much drama. Get rid of the BO1 format, double the games played each season, get more scrims with LPL and LCK, and introduce double elimination into the playoffs. Thats how you produce battle-hardened players who can actually compete on Worlds.
i love how monte doesnt understand that its not determined by the time u need to kill someone but by the deathtimers and amount of people dead even tho nelson tells him thats not how u would evaluate the situation than shifts the goalpost to skills used while chasing?! and then thorin drifts off into flaming the ppl watching the stream
Art is subjective, no matter what aspect you try to objectively quantify or judge, you end up with opinion or an arbitrary standard. Arbitrary in this context means the choice of it is subjective. Bad writing in the artistic aspect is to you, writing that you do not like. We humans tend to like similar things but that doesn’t make the preference not arbitrary and subjective. It just is.
Optic was already in LCS they sold slot to Immortals. Faze considered buying spot in LCK they were also a little bit interested in LEC, but never in shitty league like LCS and "mibr" is ex-SK team and it means "made in brazil" how do you want them in LCS?
@@Dardobul So you are saying EU, and Korean players get paid more money and have bigger sponsors than NA? If you made NA a minor region the sponsors would disappear.
Let's just be glad Thorin decided to be the esports historian, instead of spending all that time becoming a day trader. He's sacrificed so much for us. Esports Jesus?
LCS Mid was always pretty top heavy and there is no was 2021 was worse than 2013/14/15/17. Thats just recency bias. The mid pool in na was alwasy shit.
As someone who played multiple sports throughout highschool then went straight to the Army it is crazy seeing how soft these eSports geeks are as "men".
Make each team adopt a region and have a mini World Cup type league. It would indeed kill NA talent… but maybe if the league got more popular it could make kids get off consoles. I’d be happy to see a Brazilian team, Chinese team, Korean team, Vietnamese team, oceanic team, American team, maybe eu west, eu north, Turkish, Japanese. Seems hype imo.
I think the LCS's main problem is that there has been very little caster/talent turnover and it has led to the entire broadcast team being over 30 but then they are still trying to copy the LEC's content. The LEC content is more interesting because these are generally younger, more creative, more interesting talent that is given more creative freedom to actually make good content. LCS feels like some old monopoly man is shouting orders from a throne and a bunch of 30-40 year old run around saying this is what the yutes want to see no cap on god, im str8 bussin out here. As much as I miss deficio, Joe miller and Deman them leaving lead to other people coming in like Krepo, Caedrel, Drakos, Medi, Vedi - which may have never happened if all the old guard just stayed with their comfortable jobs and did LEC for 10 years like what has happened in LCS. I'm just not interested in watching Phreak and Azael cast another game personally, I'd rather watch Sneaky and Meteos or someone who's not a boomer get a chance to cast/analyze LCS - but instead they just ban costreamers and don't integrate the talent who actually had a growing audience.
This man says he wants Sneaky/Meteos on an official broadcast over Phreak Azael. BAD take jesus fucking christ man. Yeah the LCS has had the same casters for years, they've sprinkled people in here and there. They don't have 10 other english broadcast to pull from. LEC has pulled from LPL and all of their Minor leagues. NA Academy has like 5? Casters. 2-3 are good enough for broadcast and should get a shot, but then they have nobody to cast those games man.
@@Original_Taylor Phreak has been mentioned on this show and in many other places as being difficult to work with. So not shocked there isn't much talent to pull from. LCS viewership continues to spiral while sticking with shit content and same old boring casters. So based on everything you said I guess everyone should give up and move on
@@Original_Taylor Didn't say they would be immediately better, but why not try and integrate former pro players who have a natural talent for being on camera or have a good brand/personality? It's wild that Dom had to go to China to get a casting opportunity when LCS could have easily had him work for them. LCS could easily pull casters from ERL's, LPL or any other broadcast if they want, or they could use their existing pro players/talent. Look at Caedrel and Broxah who are currently working with LEC. Also LEC usually brings on pro players a lot more to share their insight. It's not all about talent, it's about how it's used and the LCS production team has failed time after time to properly use their talent. The numbers don't lie, the LCS is dying because they have failed to recruit young talent, showcase their players and league and create an entertaining broadcast. I would rather watch the LEC analyst desk than most LCS games to be honest and I used to watch LCS way more than EU LCS back in the day. Nobody wants to watch Letigress play beer pong and chat awkwardly with a bunch of kids who've probably never been to a party or played beer pong in their lives.
When say: if ur smart then i will blow your mind, like dropping some lsd" following that up with the most obvious statement ever... yeah blew my mind Thorin it blew my mind. Got another one, if you would watch player and coaching staff interviews you would learn a lot. Like it baffled me how off you guys were on teams like G2 at the start of MSI. You guys pretty much flamed their bot lane without knowing what was happening, but on 2 or 3 instances it was explained what was going on I recall an Interviews with BB, Dylan and El Tetoncito himself on what went wrong and how they have been patching those problems. 3 different interviews yet you guys new nothing about G2 really, and thats based on the theories you came up with (i don't mind theorizing) that where already proven false. Its great to have an inner circle of sources you can rely on, but there is more info to be obtained elsewhere as well.
100T Section Reply I disagree with the idea that the best sports franchises are the ones that can detach themselves and make upgrades even if they win the world championship. Short term, I think there are merits to the idea. Long term, being able to present yourself as an org that will provide job security as long as you can put up the results they are looking for is better imo. You can bring imports and other players that will give their all so they can keep their jobs, rather than being worried that an "upgrade" import becomes available despite giving your all to win. Jensen this year is a good example. Do you think Jensen would ever consider or recommend going to TL to anyone after how he performed well at worlds and then got dropped like a brick? Compare that to even Huhi, who probably won't be cut until after playoffs at least despite maybe being the right choice, because 100T wants to see if they can get it together again and get the results they've gotten twice now. I'd bet a fair amount Huhi is far more likely to recommend 100T despite being cut from the team before. I'd rather sign 100T. Any sane person would, especially a sane NA RESIDENT who is worried about international names taking their job no matter how well they play because of those perceived "international upgrades" that come over and shit on NA for a split before becoming NA themselves. You can say they did the same thing with Abbe, but it was pretty obvious by that point that they gave Ryoma way too many chances (using their academy pipeline btw) and that things were so obviously not working, so the comparison isn't fair.
The idea was that if a player thats giving it his all isnt as good as you need him to be you are wiling to change him even if he is a loyal player that has been whit the team for a long time. Also even if you win a tornament whit some one, that person might have not contributed as much as he had to and you shoud not be afraid to replace him.
LS had an awful take on C9. Golden Guardians are bad but to think you don't need an LCS level bot lane to beat them is just disrespectful and just wrong
Why does every podcast say “everyone wants NA talent”? Nobody cares where they’re from as long as they’re winning! Stop talking about NA talent, nobody cares!
36:30 Am I missing something? Why would other regions accept that NA want to arbitralry prompt themselves up? Why does NA has a right to decide on a whim how the scene should look like? Are other regions allowed to change the global rules towards their needs? Also, I know Monte and Thorin don't really care about the competition between regions, they just want to watch good league of legends. Regardless of that though, the competitive scene from the beginning was built upon the narrative of inter-regional rivalry. So how would that hold any significance if NA could potentially get all their talent outside of the region. I don't know how you could possibly call that region "NA" at that point. That's just ridiculous. Oh, and spare me those excuses of "protecting the investment"; american owners just incorrectly gauged the NA scene and the long-term interest of fans, so of course they should lose their money. Maybe then the self-centered NA finally end as a irrelevant region as they should be.
It’s the ambiguity of it ofcourse. Because it’s ‘open to all regions’ nobody technically gets an unfair advantage although we all know that the only major region that would want to field a full import roster would be NA
@@SemmmmProductions yes, I understand. But people should realize right away what's behind this change of ruling and who it really benefits, they are not THAT stupid, right? I just don't know why community accepts every bullshit riot serves them out of the ass.
i dont watch league anymore but continue to watch monte & throin goated duo
just listening to them is so fun. lol. especially with good guests like this episode
I think even if you never followed LoL esports this shit is still hilarious
To the guy who asked how to get a liberal arts education without going to college, here is a reading list compiled from my college syllabuses of my English degree (heavily England/France-centric, not comprehensive):
Old English-Middle English texts: Beowulf, Dream of the Rood, Canterbury Tales, Julian of Norwich + Book of Margery Kempe (religious)
Early Modern English-Modern English: The Faerie Queene, A lot of Shakespeare (Macbeth, Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Merchant of Venice, Othello, The Tempest, Twelfth Night + Sonnet 73 would be my recommendations).
Modernity (1600-Present): Paradise Lost (Milton), Two Treatises on Government (Locke), Wealth of Nations (Smith), Critique of Practical Reason (Kant), Either/Or + The Concept of Anxiety (Kierkegaard), The Wasteland (Eliot), To the lighthouse (Woolf), The heart is a lonely hunter (McCullers), The Stranger + The Myth of Sisyphus (Camus), the Autobiography of Malcolm X, The Wretched of the Earth (Fanon), Notes of a Native Son (Baldwin), The Need for Roots (Weil), The World Doesn't End (Simic), Gender Trouble (Butler), Of Grammatology (Derrida, only if you hate yourself), The Second Sex (Beauvoir), Rerum Novarum + Laborem Exercens + Centesimus Annus (Vatican), A Secular Age (Taylor, only if you hate yourself)
Im not reading that shit 💀
@@kingofthecreek1926 no one asked if you were, and feel free to stay uncultured and uneducated
Will say, turning LCS into the “minor region championship” with an import rule change would be cool to watch
I love how Jankos is just the best plug-in jungle for any team. Speaks to his quality as a elite jungler.
Nelson is always a great guest to have. Straight shooter the whole time.
The bar for being support is now way higher then it was before. Keria and Lehends can reach challanger with other roles. So I assume having insane mechanics is also a new minimum in the support role. Lehends, Beryl, Life had reached rank 1 with support role.
That is because support is overpowered compared to in the past and the korean server has declined in level pretty hard.
Awww look at how happy Thorin is. Every time his take on the Astralis is vindicated, you can see him plotting his Thorin's Thoughts Video.
I think it's a real shame Vetheo didn't get to be on a worlds contending team. I really wanted him to go to worlds. His performence in spring was caps-comparable. He was so fucking insane.
I love Monte trying to force him to agree on the backers. He understood the point he disagreed what the driver of the timer. The driver isn't how long it takes to kill. It's how long it takes to base and set up objectives. And he said the good teams know this. There is going to b a big difference in good v bad teams.
Nelson is a top tier guest.
If LCS stopped getting ass chapped about not being good enough to beat the top 3 major regions and focused on a rivalry with LJL or even the PCS, the games will be more competitive and actually fun to watch.
Kinda like how in international soccer (yeah it’s called football I know) we have crappy teams like the US and Mexico always qualify but never make it far, the matches still bring in thousands of fans in attendance just because of the common skill level and rivalry.
If NA focused less on being the best major region and focused on its dominance as a minor region, at least in a fans perspective the outlook won’t be so damn pessimistic. Idk. But rinse and repeating getting swept in international best of 3s/5s is getting old.
Yea NA had a good rivalry with JP. C9 vs DFM was fun to watch and when they finally beat c9, it was rly cool
The issue is that everyone involved in the LCS will never be able to separate their expectations from reality due to the sheer amount of money being poured into the teams. They spend money as if they were a major region and therefore expect to be a major region despite the results saying otherwise.
If NA focused on being the best major region it would be fine, but they don't. None of the players/teams are trying to win worlds because they just expect to lose to the big 3.
The thing is with the amount of money na orgs spend they should not be a minor region
@@Atomizerk that's not all though. the LCS is literally made up of imports from said major regions, with a sprinkle of homegrown NA "talent" here and there
I can’t believe Nelson isn’t the most sought after coach in the west. Considering he’s one of the few coaches with deep LPL connections I can’t believe how much a gift he would be to have on a staff.
2:49:46 Great discussion there and on point. if someone wants to watch a nice video why modern RTS is in the state is in i'd recommend a video by GiantGrantGames called "The Next Major RTS Will Fail. This Is Why.
" a few months back. he came to similar conclusion that one of the biggest reasons RTS were popular back in the day was user generated content. And nowadays they either dont have that at all or publishers make it so unappealing (cough W3 Reforged cough) that the people with creative ideas simply go to other games (such as Garry's Mod, Minecraft and especially Roblox) and create their stuff there.
15 minutes for thorin to randomly bring up Rekkles if anyone was wondering
3:04:36 What a great advice, always stay curious and knowledge thirsty
excel is one of the few teams i'd say is better tan the sum of their parts, their perfomanca exceeds what I've seen from all the 5 players
it could also be that they are exactly the level the players are and all othr teams underperform
Except mikyx
In the end league is a team game. And we all knew that patrik is insane, miky was considered the best supp in EU for 3 years. Finn has always been middle of the pack and markoon seems to be the next big thing. Nukeduck has also always been really good.
Resume: Excel is just a really good team. players arr also individually fine
I mean when they picked up mikyx they made playoffs. Also both Patrick and nukeduck have both shown they are really good especially Patrik. Man has been on bad teams but he was always a star on the team
@@Bowserguy62 When he made finals with OG in 2019, I'd say Patrik was not the star of the team. Alphari and especially Nukeduck was playing extremely well that split and carried the team imo.
1:06:46 players are allowed to speak during longer pauses. Just not about the game
2:27:32 I don't agree to make discipline the opposite of work/life balance and mental health. You can be disciplined and still look out for yourself. Yes Michael Jordan was showing certain behaviour and was mad successful (with the Bulls mostly) and I am sure that everyone who wants to reach the top of the top or achieve a certain level above the limit have a drive and willingness to sacrifice (at least to a certain degree) but you can still be driven and not be an asshole. Those, in my opinion, are not mutually exclusive.
glad that thorin didnt hold back his sega mega drive story for the league community as well :D ONE JUMP?!?
Well the whole Crownshot angle solved itself.
The solution to the major minor region thing is so simple to me and riot already does it for msi.
Tier 1: LCK, LPL, LEC
Tier 2: LCS, VCS, PCS
Tier 3 and 4: everyone else
Tiering can be based on last 4 International performances or last 2 years so regions can move up and down.
Tier 1 teams: 2 import slots from any tier
Tier 2 teams: 2 import slots from any tier and 1 import slot from Tier 2 and below
Etc etc.
Yes there is a world where a teams like 100t construct a roster that is legal one year but then not the next. Only change the tierings between seasons, teams know ahead of time to start making roster decisions based on what Tier they are. 100t is the first team to not change a single member between seasons in a long time
Nelson is like the opposite of yamato. He says so much in so few words. Yamato says so little in so many words.
I would much rather have Nelson in my org
We chat group diff
But does he have a deep voice?
Not a good sign when u hire a coach because of the way he speaks
But does he have Yamato dreamy eyes?
@@ferminandresparra3266 but communication is half their job 🤡
3:01:00 you need to add the clause that you can only decide to not be knocked out is if your name is Tyson Fury :P
2:26:05
at least we got the goat in that
ill never forget loulex
I see nelson rocking his lng merch still haha
Great content. Keep it coming!
I was pretty hype for the lcs finals cause I like danny, and I think eg's run was cool af. And I'm not even american.
I grew up with the Star Wars Prequels. I love those films ahaha
I think that an MIBR team in LCS is a damn fact if all the minor regions are available to LCS...
Today 1 US Dollar = 5 Brazilian Real... You can't compete with a raise that is 5 times bigger to a player and 5 times cheaper to the org.
When are Perkz and Alphari and Carzzy gonna be good again?
Fnatic needs Cinkrof I guess. I think it could work and that would be big upgrade over BDS
that's a great slogan tho 🤔 Summoning insight: the real shit
I just wanna appreciate Monte asking interesting questions to Nelson. Really fun episode, especially Nelson flaming western toplaners but don't forget Western junglers, are getting gapped just as hard internationally. What Oner did to Jankos...was nsfw. I think I didn't even see Jankos in that T1 vs G2 semis, Jankos was ready to go home as Oner/Zeus wrecked G2. Not even T1 fan, but Oner is on his second year (just like Canyon won Worlds on his 2nd year), has higher potential/way scarier than Jankos who people consider best jungler in the West. G2 is a good LEC team, but not Worlds winner potential. G2 2022 is just slightly better version of G2 2016-2018, with one superstar carry threat.
Top gapp has always been the biggest historically. Jankos isn't as good as Oner maybe, but he was also playing with significantly worse Top/Bot so that does make the game much harder for Jungler
I understand that oner looked way better then jankos but jankos is a dog jungler which mean if his laners does bad he will look way worse then normal he will give everything up for his laners to have better lanning phases and that why I love him as a jungler but it’s has it downside where if ur laner can’t do anything u look like a ant
I see jungling since S10 in Pro Play as an additional support most of the time, of course there are some carries that see play, but most of the time their role is supporting the lanes and giving vision, also almost always they stop farming after 15 min to give more resources to their laners, so I cant blame Jankos given the massive gap that existed in top and bot.
Man its so stressful to watch Nelson trying to imply that "LEC players are so under-practiced against good opponents therefore they suck" while trying to be not so straightforward as to not attract too much drama.
Get rid of the BO1 format, double the games played each season, get more scrims with LPL and LCK, and introduce double elimination into the playoffs. Thats how you produce battle-hardened players who can actually compete on Worlds.
i love how monte doesnt understand that its not determined by the time u need to kill someone but by the deathtimers and amount of people dead even tho nelson tells him thats not how u would evaluate the situation than shifts the goalpost to skills used while chasing?! and then thorin drifts off into flaming the ppl watching the stream
I'm liking the show is starting with a banger line now. I watch the whole thing and don't need a hook personally, but its still nice
Art is subjective, no matter what aspect you try to objectively quantify or judge, you end up with opinion or an arbitrary standard. Arbitrary in this context means the choice of it is subjective. Bad writing in the artistic aspect is to you, writing that you do not like. We humans tend to like similar things but that doesn’t make the preference not arbitrary and subjective. It just is.
1:53:00 Great rant
“Mind the gap” -Esports 2022
I love how Danny just happily outed himself for not even playing League lmao
1:45:00 i really thought neldon was gonna be like: micro macro and draft
lol
They need to replace the following with the following
Immortals->mibr
GG->FaZe
Dig->Optic
Optic was already in LCS they sold slot to Immortals. Faze considered buying spot in LCK they were also a little bit interested in LEC, but never in shitty league like LCS and "mibr" is ex-SK team and it means "made in brazil" how do you want them in LCS?
Yeah make the 2nd biggest market in the game a minor region…. That seems smart and good for the sponsors….
Are you saying na is the second biggest market? By what metric? You're behind EU KR and CN for player count, results, strength of league and income.
@@Dardobul So you are saying EU, and Korean players get paid more money and have bigger sponsors than NA? If you made NA a minor region the sponsors would disappear.
Nelson is always a banger
What does Nelson mean by not being able to make a wechat account? I have one in Australia 😅
Let's just be glad Thorin decided to be the esports historian, instead of spending all that time becoming a day trader. He's sacrificed so much for us. Esports Jesus?
1:47:19 Nelson still shilling for his boy Flandre
LCS Mid was always pretty top heavy and there is no was 2021 was worse than 2013/14/15/17. Thats just recency bias. The mid pool in na was alwasy shit.
My prediction of TL, EG, and FLY making world's in Jan may hold weight. Fuck C9 drafts.
So... What you're saying is riot has no plan and just completely stumbled into success?
1:51:37
2:48:20 loads of people make fun of ARAM, but I swear to god ARAM mains hate themselves and life less than SR mains
I still follow impact. It is pretty fun that he since season 5 has been shitting on "NA TALENT". I would still prefer watching impact vs good players.
100T BusioC will take over NA 😤
Why are you not on Spotify anymore?
We are. New link is in the description. The new feed also has video
As someone who played multiple sports throughout highschool then went straight to the Army it is crazy seeing how soft these eSports geeks are as "men".
Pudge Wars wc3 was the shit.
oh yes, if you grew up in an asian family, you are absolutely already used to people yelling at you to make you better
Will not watch lcs if it is just imports
Make each team adopt a region and have a mini World Cup type league. It would indeed kill NA talent… but maybe if the league got more popular it could make kids get off consoles. I’d be happy to see a Brazilian team, Chinese team, Korean team, Vietnamese team, oceanic team, American team, maybe eu west, eu north, Turkish, Japanese. Seems hype imo.
I think the LCS's main problem is that there has been very little caster/talent turnover and it has led to the entire broadcast team being over 30 but then they are still trying to copy the LEC's content. The LEC content is more interesting because these are generally younger, more creative, more interesting talent that is given more creative freedom to actually make good content. LCS feels like some old monopoly man is shouting orders from a throne and a bunch of 30-40 year old run around saying this is what the yutes want to see no cap on god, im str8 bussin out here. As much as I miss deficio, Joe miller and Deman them leaving lead to other people coming in like Krepo, Caedrel, Drakos, Medi, Vedi - which may have never happened if all the old guard just stayed with their comfortable jobs and did LEC for 10 years like what has happened in LCS. I'm just not interested in watching Phreak and Azael cast another game personally, I'd rather watch Sneaky and Meteos or someone who's not a boomer get a chance to cast/analyze LCS - but instead they just ban costreamers and don't integrate the talent who actually had a growing audience.
Agreed. Fucking bin the boomer casters. Especially Phreak, the guy puts me to sleep when he casts.
This man says he wants Sneaky/Meteos on an official broadcast over Phreak Azael. BAD take jesus fucking christ man.
Yeah the LCS has had the same casters for years, they've sprinkled people in here and there. They don't have 10 other english broadcast to pull from. LEC has pulled from LPL and all of their Minor leagues.
NA Academy has like 5? Casters. 2-3 are good enough for broadcast and should get a shot, but then they have nobody to cast those games man.
@@Original_Taylor Phreak has been mentioned on this show and in many other places as being difficult to work with. So not shocked there isn't much talent to pull from. LCS viewership continues to spiral while sticking with shit content and same old boring casters. So based on everything you said I guess everyone should give up and move on
@@Original_Taylor Didn't say they would be immediately better, but why not try and integrate former pro players who have a natural talent for being on camera or have a good brand/personality?
It's wild that Dom had to go to China to get a casting opportunity when LCS could have easily had him work for them. LCS could easily pull casters from ERL's, LPL or any other broadcast if they want, or they could use their existing pro players/talent.
Look at Caedrel and Broxah who are currently working with LEC. Also LEC usually brings on pro players a lot more to share their insight. It's not all about talent, it's about how it's used and the LCS production team has failed time after time to properly use their talent. The numbers don't lie, the LCS is dying because they have failed to recruit young talent, showcase their players and league and create an entertaining broadcast.
I would rather watch the LEC analyst desk than most LCS games to be honest and I used to watch LCS way more than EU LCS back in the day. Nobody wants to watch Letigress play beer pong and chat awkwardly with a bunch of kids who've probably never been to a party or played beer pong in their lives.
Boomer>zoomer. Grass isn't always greener on the "green" side... get it.
shoutout to hyli having the best renata and and zilean in the world. Narratives like that are dumb. Fnc looked like the strongest team last week
When say: if ur smart then i will blow your mind, like dropping some lsd" following that up with the most obvious statement ever... yeah blew my mind Thorin it blew my mind.
Got another one, if you would watch player and coaching staff interviews you would learn a lot. Like it baffled me how off you guys were on teams like G2 at the start of MSI. You guys pretty much flamed their bot lane without knowing what was happening, but on 2 or 3 instances it was explained what was going on I recall an Interviews with BB, Dylan and El Tetoncito himself on what went wrong and how they have been patching those problems. 3 different interviews yet you guys new nothing about G2 really, and thats based on the theories you came up with (i don't mind theorizing) that where already proven false.
Its great to have an inner circle of sources you can rely on, but there is more info to be obtained elsewhere as well.
NA “talent” deserves to be ran out of their league by foreigners. Real NA talent would come after they straighten up and quit making excuses.
gg
100T Section Reply
I disagree with the idea that the best sports franchises are the ones that can detach themselves and make upgrades even if they win the world championship. Short term, I think there are merits to the idea. Long term, being able to present yourself as an org that will provide job security as long as you can put up the results they are looking for is better imo. You can bring imports and other players that will give their all so they can keep their jobs, rather than being worried that an "upgrade" import becomes available despite giving your all to win.
Jensen this year is a good example. Do you think Jensen would ever consider or recommend going to TL to anyone after how he performed well at worlds and then got dropped like a brick? Compare that to even Huhi, who probably won't be cut until after playoffs at least despite maybe being the right choice, because 100T wants to see if they can get it together again and get the results they've gotten twice now. I'd bet a fair amount Huhi is far more likely to recommend 100T despite being cut from the team before.
I'd rather sign 100T. Any sane person would, especially a sane NA RESIDENT who is worried about international names taking their job no matter how well they play because of those perceived "international upgrades" that come over and shit on NA for a split before becoming NA themselves.
You can say they did the same thing with Abbe, but it was pretty obvious by that point that they gave Ryoma way too many chances (using their academy pipeline btw) and that things were so obviously not working, so the comparison isn't fair.
The idea was that if a player thats giving it his all isnt as good as you need him to be you are wiling to change him even if he is a loyal player that has been whit the team for a long time. Also even if you win a tornament whit some one, that person might have not contributed as much as he had to and you shoud not be afraid to replace him.
100thieves Darshan, 100thieves Kaori if minor regions come in, abbe is good enough for NA, just that other Eu mids beat him.
a league of legends with no comeback mechanics isnt woderfull though
LS had an awful take on C9. Golden Guardians are bad but to think you don't need an LCS level bot lane to beat them is just disrespectful and just wrong
Nobody import Turkish player except NA? Brokenblade???
Well, he was born and raised in Germany.
But you could mention Armut.
Armut is the only resent fully turkish player that was imported by EU, the rest like Broken Blade, Nisq and Blue are born and raised in EU.
Why does every podcast say “everyone wants NA talent”? Nobody cares where they’re from as long as they’re winning! Stop talking about NA talent, nobody cares!
36:30 Am I missing something? Why would other regions accept that NA want to arbitralry prompt themselves up? Why does NA has a right to decide on a whim how the scene should look like? Are other regions allowed to change the global rules towards their needs?
Also, I know Monte and Thorin don't really care about the competition between regions, they just want to watch good league of legends. Regardless of that though, the competitive scene from the beginning was built upon the narrative of inter-regional rivalry. So how would that hold any significance if NA could potentially get all their talent outside of the region. I don't know how you could possibly call that region "NA" at that point. That's just ridiculous.
Oh, and spare me those excuses of "protecting the investment"; american owners just incorrectly gauged the NA scene and the long-term interest of fans, so of course they should lose their money. Maybe then the self-centered NA finally end as a irrelevant region as they should be.
It’s the ambiguity of it ofcourse. Because it’s ‘open to all regions’ nobody technically gets an unfair advantage although we all know that the only major region that would want to field a full import roster would be NA
@@SemmmmProductions yes, I understand. But people should realize right away what's behind this change of ruling and who it really benefits, they are not THAT stupid, right? I just don't know why community accepts every bullshit riot serves them out of the ass.
The main reason is that riot head office is in NA. I see no other reason
If this change goes through, the reason will be that Riot HQ is in NA.
@@nuraby_9228 same thought 6 days ahead of you buddy 😂
just retire the lcs
Not a fan of how Nelson conveys his most of the time non existent thoughts. Had to skip his section jfc.
Nelson literally drains my energy by listening to him, he's boring.
He’s just monotone lmfao, he’s a funny guy because he’s so blunt and doesn’t give af
He gives more insight than 90% of guests, which is what I personally care for
this comment literally drains my energy by reading , this is boring.
@@atantalas you look like Nelson lol
@@hughwoodford all asians look the same right?
-abbedagge +vetheo
-huhi +busio
thoughts?
Hopefully vetheo stays in EU. Besides, Nelson himself said that he doesn't want to go to NA.
Vetheo doesn't want to go to na? Or nelson wants vetheo to stay in eu and play for xl?
@@Dardobul its not realistic but it would be a fucking banger team