Team Liquid's great expectations / Rogue's rocky start - Summoning Insight S5E16 (feat. Guilhoto)
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Join MonteCristo and Thorin with guest Andre Guilhoto, head coach of Team Liquid, as they discuss the new Monte & Wolf LCK show, the durability patch's effect on the meta, Team Liquid's Korean bootcamp, the expectations for NA teams on the international stage, Monte's enjoyment of children's card games, and more.
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This episode was filmed on June 20th, 2022.
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0:00:00 - Intro and channel updates
0:15:04 - Rogue and the current meta
0:30:57 - Which teams will succeed in this meta?
0:38:20 - Astralis, Immortals, and roster building
0:54:41 - XL and Vitality
1:08:29 - Guilhoto intro + TL's shortcomings in Spring
1:22:09 - NA's expectations at international events
1:31:20 - TSM
1:36:12 - CLG
1:43:14 - Dignitas
1:48:57 - Cloud9
1:54:31 - Team Liquid's Korean bootcamp and offseason
2:15:03 - Bjergsen and Bwipo
2:23:42 - Expectations for Summer
2:30:39 - Viewer Questions + Retired pros in the current meta
2:33:19 - Best live crowd in esports
2:35:39 - Memorable fan interactions
2:37:06 - Time traveling with a current pro
2:38:04 - Overrated and underrated fantasy and sci-fi
2:54:14 - Cooking with Monte
2:54:45 - WWE entrance music
2:57:23 - CoreJJ question
2:58:52 - Pozole
2:59:17 - Elite all-NA team in CS:GO
3:00:18 - All-Chinese roster winning Worlds
3:02:10 - Thorin lingo
3:05:18 - Thoughts on the durability changes in LoL
3:08:49 - Favorite low-usage champion
3:10:22 - Example of good writing
3:15:24 - BP420 question
3:18:14 - 90-50-10 hot takes
3:21:17 - Clown fiestas
3:21:54 - Thoughts on the "Players" show
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Thorin being an Udyr and Pyke player matches his personality perfectly.
Yeah and also matches his mental state
Legit he's such a scumbag, i love it 😂😭
Monte and Wolf Show ------> The Late Game
Yesh
that’s actually so fitting for an LCK focused show lmao
I support this name change
@@ayh4968 h
godddamn 3 1/2 hour podcast. appreciate the grind
Star Wars episode 3 was probably the best of all the star wars movies
I just love every rogue take you guys come up, im a rogue fan and it's so funny to hear you guys talk about them
not flaming or anything but arent you tired of seeing them choke over and over again
@@noobgun12 of course it sucks that they keep getting so close and never making it but i just really want them to do well. I like rogue because of the players and seeing them lift the trophy one day would be ecstatic. I guess i just really love the underdogs, i'll always take a league where alot of teams can and will win rather than only 1 or 2 each split. Didnt take it as flame dw ❤️
New drinking game when thorin says "the joke here is... or "the joke is" take a shot
The biggest reason NA made top 4 at MSI was because 2 members of the PSG team that went to semis last year are currently in NA lol
Or, NA just got better.
WOW.
Crazy.
@@ObiWanShinobi917 Yes, NA did get better. By siphoning talent from LMS lol
The "god bless yu-gi-oh" at the end is awesome
You should call it: 60 minutes - Before first blood
Lmao
3:02:15 My favorite quote from Thorin is when he calls people enemies of language
you watch league?
He has so many good lines. I'm glad Monte made sure to say that the question wasn't an insult, in fact I would say it's a compliment.
that film with rekkles is basically venom haha
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Now I'm very interested if Monte applies the same criteria for narrative epics & poems in the domain of mythology (Eddas, Gilgamesh, Kalevala, Ossianic cycle and many others) as he does for LOTR. Tolkien was directly inspired by some of those and emulated their "loose" structure to a point in his books. The common denominator of their "quality" is in transcending the usual restriction of the genre, medium and time. IMO, judging them by the same criteria as you would 99 % of available fiction does nothing to show their core value.
Most based take this episode: Monte’s stance on Arthurian Romance
Can confirm about the LOTR Books. I remember falling asleep a lot in the Frodo and Sam sections of the Two Towers.
30:30 is a quintessential thorin moment
I think it’s crazy that 3/5 of that psg talon super PCS team is in major regions and one of the best players on their respective teams and I’m excited because I loved those guys. It’s just maple and river are in bad na teams
2:24:22 lmao that‘s an all time one
I watched Strange days after Thorin recommended it, I must say the premise of the movie better than the actual execution of the story around it, it's okay but I wouldn't say it's a good movie.
Is this not on Apple Podcast anymore? :(
Mr is generally stronger than armor because there is no ap Auto attacks on most champions
Does anybody know the Wuxx Lucian clip Monte is Talking about? 2:35:40
3:04:00 Anyone can criticise thorins phrases he literally always uses, but recently while listening to a podcast w him on it while cleaning the house I realised bc he does it so much, my brain instantly zones in whenever I hear a catchphrase like "What people dont know is" and usually Thorin is really good at summarising his point right after one of his catch phrases
3:05:15 oh he literally just explains it mb lmao
i fucking love you guys.
here before the title changed
I mean, with cinkrof crownie and jizuke/lider, that's a pretty good core of carries. Then you can have 2 rookies just fine. Nuclearint came into the League with some style, but if your only achievement isn't solo killing caps in your first game, that's just a conversation starter.
37:00 Sin city IS a banger. I have seen this movie a hundred times. Thoorin spot on ;)
That rekkles movie sounds dope
Monte and Wolf show should just be "Korean Enthusiasts"
If you know you know
I try reading Hyperion but it's such a tough read. The only part that grabbed my interest was cruciform story.
I was really disappointed with how fast they had to end Rome, that was one of my favorite shows ever made as I really enjoy Roman and Greek history
I cannot belieeeve catch phrases are part of the charm 🤔
36:00 pop culture tattoos are hard yea
if the franchise is finished or has some greater meaning to you it‘s ok tho (but you never know if it‘s finished or not see berserk)
na but that Players show was actually pretty dope first 2 eps on youtube
2:38:20 PREACH BROTHER
Firefly's writers created 3 different shows, Buffy, Angel and Dollhouse, from 1997 to 2010. All these shows had absolutely worst season first and got way better with time. The argument that 'Firefly was going to get worse' really makes no sense as everyone expected it to get better and fans of the other shows were mostly just suprised that the start was already decent.
That's big reason why it still has fans. It's the ultimate 'what if' series. While I do agree that mystery and not showing is often better, in this case the argument its just meaningless. The fans of the show see it like we only got to read the first chapter of our favorite author's
last book with the easily strongest start. And then he died.
dardoch shots fired!
What about Always Sunny in Philly, Monte?
Thick of it was a good TV show
You can't say Powerhouse CLG without laughing.
Rogue are pulling the reversal.
Playing terrible in the regular season = Playoff buff
It is so refreshing for someone to not be so lost in the sauce that was game of thrones and say that only the first 5 seasons were worth watching because it wasn't the last season where it got bad, it bad for 2 seasons prior lol.
3:10:43 i think why seinfeld is good and shows like friends / how I met your mother aren't is apart from the comedy itself which is ultimately subjective is that the latter shows don't operate logically or fairly. in seinfeld the cast are bad people who make bad choices and as such they have bad outcomes. in friends the cast are bad people who make bad choices but we are supposed to love them and care about them and want good things to happen to them, which they don't deserve, but get anyway. a lot of shows fall into this trap.
My personal favorite comedy series are South Park and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, everyone's a degenerate, they know it AND own it.
Gamsu is back? What year is this
Hey I made that OG Men comment. Instead of being Enthusiasts how about the Korean Fellatio Club or KFC for short. You could serve up "delicious dishes," or "who you might not recommend," from the LCK each week.
Guilhoto was giving some very interesting insights, but it was unfortunate to have Thorin feeling the constant need to shut him to make some random obnoxious jokes just to satisfy his ego.
Perhaps they can call it KFE?
1:49:40 lmao what a sisyphean tale
one of these days monte's forehead vein will pop from all the laughing LMFAO
I think the reason this is the most competitive LEC because a lot of EU pros came back from NA or came out from retirement
35:36 LMFAO
I feel like Thorin just described like the Spiderman Venom plot but with a Tattoo instead of the Tattoo xD (buts its still funny )
Referring to Lord of the Rings Books beeing overrated: I think its so much more fun to read if it stays on specific characters and follows their story, then rewinds time and follows another characters story.
I absolutely hate if the chapters jump between each characters all the time and its all split up. Its one of my major gripes of books with lots of characters that split.
Some do it better some worse, currently reading a Wheel of Time and generally there only is character switch when a plotpoint is finished so it doesnt feel disruptive.
LoR is definitely overhyped but I can see some people loving it. I gave it a huge try, read 1st book - not convinced, little enjoyment, quite boring - started reading 2nd book but in the middle of it I just couldnt make myself read it. Its SOOO boring! Way too much describing, way too little action and important dialogues.
He also thinks wheel of time is over hyped iirc, and for the same reason. And from the 2-3 books of WoT I've read, he's kinda right.
Both Tolkien and Jordan are great at building convincing, interesting new worlds, that's where they shine, but their writing on a basic, technical level is kinda bad and grating. I also hated essentially all the main cast in WoT by the time i quit, but I did like the world and lore set up.
So they're harder to go back to, and its why he much prefers the LotR movies. Idk much about the WoT series, but I've heard it's bad, sadly.
@@LikeACrouton Dunno how hyped WoT is as I only found by looking for recommendations but it's certainly simpler. Especially the first 3 books are very very simple.
But then it kinda explodes in all directions with factions and nations and cultures and characters and gets a lot more complex.
Although I actually prefer the simpler beginnings x),
as mentioned before I enjoy more to follow one journey instead of many.
BDS is Swiss. Why so many people think it's Belgian?
Monte said there owner is Belgian
Owner who the team is named after is Belgian
God Bless Yugioh
1:20:00
I think the biggest take away from this episode is God Bless Yugioh
Thank god, there are people with good taste in the world. So many people around enjoys office, friends and it is so annoying to see people boasting that they enjoy it, while their brain just rots.
What show would you suggest?
Are they talking about the US office or the UK office or both? US office is just dumb American slapstick humour but the UK is one of those UK shows which makes you cringe and feel uncomfortable. Kinda like Peep show or the Inbetweeners.
witness meeeee
3:25 reminds me of always sunny in philly when D goes to the guys and brags about using all the men she met on some dating site. She calls it giving them the D or something. She thinks they will be upset at being used. They just all end up at the bar asking for more D shamelessly 😂
Thank you Thorin! Mad Max Fury Road is mad overrated, boring ass movie for jocks with no story and no character development.
Rome was great. GOT should just find other actors instead of destroying the rest of the art through casting.
I've been saying the Hobbit is a better book for my whole life and everyone makes me feel crazy for this opinion 😱 I'm actually shocked to meet another person that agrees with me!
I agree with u, better books and movies than lord of the rings
@@hasanqari1914 the hobbit is a single book and the film trilogy isnt even in the same universe of quality as lotr. is this troll?
These “nephews”… lol nephew is slang for the n word if I’m not mistaken
You are completely mistaken, it's a sports term referring to younger fans who are not familiar with the history of the sport.
3:10:43 One Piece is absolutely not a masterpiece, it's riddled with problems, specially in the post time skip...but then again, everything can be a masterpiece when you're enough of a fanboy.
When the pros outweigh the cons enough it doesn't matter to most.
Thorin: it should be taken seriously, these guys are trying to win and be the best.
Also Thorin: it’s just a game, who cares if a player leaves his team right before the biggest tournament and only gives vague reasons months later.
There are good reasons why you give vague reasons.
Lets say it this way. What if his wife was sexually assaulted. Would you want the world to know that ?
And this is far from the only thing you don't want to hang out to the public.
@@gerbo8018 She said abused and it was months later. That could mean anything. I don't care if you think I'm a heartless asshole. They didn't have to tell us but they surely didn't tell the team either.
Ah yes people should just spill out all their details to randoms on the internet.
@@nosuitsgiven Idk man. I think "family emergency" is enough for most people, and we know his team knew that cuz the fnatic account announced it. It's enough to get you out of most jobs without a bunch of questions.
His team could still feel a bit slighted, sure. But the community acting like they're owed something is kinda weird.
And if he told the team specifics, there's a good chance it leaks.
A bitter Adam fan. lmaooooooo
thanks for trashing the Office, How I Met Your Mother, Friends, etc. I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing that extreme normie people with very boring 9 to 5 lives enjoy that garbage