What WORLD TITLES Should Really Count?
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- DAVE KNOWS that in Pro Wrestling a World Title can be almost anything, since there is no regulation on what counts as a world championship. However, can there really be more than one world championship? Does it have to be defended across the world? And how many companies and promotions get to declare their belts as a world title? There are so many questions when it comes to which world titles count as world titles, but yet most people never really think about... even though we wrestling fans really should.
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It's kinda funny how the WWE counted the IWGP Heavyweight Championship as legit before PWI did. When AJ Styles debuted, Michael Cole mentioned how both he and Brock Lesnar had won it.
That is odd
Anyone with right mind would count iwgp title as world title. I don't understand pwi logic.
IMO WWE should not be the bench mark as they generally fail to acknowledge the existence of their competition. first time Angle stepped back into a WWE ring it was exclaimed that he would have ring rust as he hadn't set foot in a ring in 10 years... It's one thing to not acknowledge another companies belt, but to deny that it exists is ridiculous. Some of Kurts best work was during his time in TNA.
@@vikingofvegas What I'm saying is the fact that the close-minded wwe acknowledged the iwgp championship before Pwi did is astonishing
@@phili4600 well even hulk hogan name dropped that title
technically an alien can challenge for the universal championship .
#PushMarsOlsen
Shut up don't give Vince any ideas
@@DanielMartinez-fz4bo *And* *his* *opponent,* *from* *outter* *space* *...*
Like.. a Mexican?
It's one of those things that's difficult to quantify but you just know it when you see it IMO
Yeah, it's really hard to put an exact criteria on it
lukeshdoesntknow L
The only reason my mom didn't recognize my title was because she made me tap out to take the championship from me. Never got the chance to win that back.
Well there ain't no shame in being beaten by a master
@@DaveKnowsWrestling no shame at all... just wanted my chance to regain the title
@@DaveKnowsWrestling context is very vital for this statement 💀💀💀
You need to get a briefcase and cash it in to get your title back.
You could've issued a rematch clause
"It's a prop, bro"... Vince Russo (probably)
Mark
In my opinion a world title should be recognized as such if the promotion it is sanctioned under has a international tv deal where the title can be showcased to a large audience or if the promotion has an international streaming deal or an official recognized global youtube audience. That is my 2 cents.
Makes sence, as simply traveling around the world is easier now any small indie can get a wrestler to defend their title overseas.
@@ppicaso1458 L
PWG followed the "must be defended around the world" rule. It was just called the PWG championship until their European Vacation shows. Since they returned from that first tour it was referred to as the PWG WORLD championship.
one of my favorite wrestling channels, seriously. i’ve learned so much from you Dave, thank you
Thank you so much for being so supportive!
been a fan ever since you were on wrestling with wregret long ago
The universal title has never been defended on Mars... Lol.
Interesting video Dave. You always get us thinking which is awesome.
Glad to hear that I got the gears turning. I always like really thinking about wrestling in new ways and hope you feel the same
Uranus...theres about 7.5(more or less) billion uranus's on earth as of right now.
Lmfao
@@Tauttuk no, there's only one.his
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I grew up in the 80s. The WWF, NWA and AWA world titles seemed to have the most esteem.
Much like the baseball "World Series", American promotions consider the US (and maybe Canada) as "the world"
Just think about it this way, the WWE title wasn't won outside of North America until AJ Styles
I thought Buddy Rogers won it in Rio. 🤔
My take on the Lawler situation is that he only held territorial championships, meaning he was the champion of Memphis, Tennessee, or the Mid-Atlantic as a whole for most of his overblown reigns while being part of a governing body of wrestling that had it's true world championship, which was the beauty of the NWA: Territory titles meant you were big in a hemisphere, and being that big draw made you worthy of challenging for the actual NWA World Heavyweight Championship. Not everyone in every state or territory can vie for the title at once, so they busy themselves with territorial championships to earn essentially a seeding in the discussion of being a worthy contender for the NWA World title.
Plain and simple, if you're part of a governing organization as widespread as the NWA and they don't acknowledge your belt as their top prize, then it shouldn't be considered a world title. This also bleeds into why WWE has multiple brands with multiple brand championships that aren't called the world title, because none of them are the highest prize in the promotion.
For some reason I like when they include the word “Heavyweight” on the actual title.
I do as well, but I think they lay off of that because of how many lighter weights hold top titles now
When Dan Severn arrived to WWE in 1998, He did it as the reigning NWA Champion. During this time NWA was at its lowest,. However, WWE commentators and even Vince himself acknowledged Dan as the NWA World Heavyweight Champion, which I thought it was a classy move.
I think a World championship applies to a title created by a legit company, held by at least one other wrestler born in another country, is seen as the top title within the company for a division, and has World in the title.
I have learned so much about wrestling from this channel
Great to hear, thank you for letting me know that you've learned something, it means a lot
Anyone ever remember the WWF European title ever being defended in Europe outside of the time HBK beat Bulldog in England?
the NWA’s reasoning was sound and logical. Flair and Harley Race were both proper traveling world champions, but when JCP took over and based themselves out of Atlanta, it stopped being a traveling world championship. I think what constitutes a world championship has changed, regardless of under what structure one got it, be it territories or modern, if it is part of the greater WWF/E buyout of WCW and ECW, then it has a link. Along with more modern NJPW (because they aren’t just performing in japan) and AEW. TNA/ Impact had some real value at one point but i can’t put a timeline on it.
IMO these belts count as legit world titles:
1. WWE
2. Universal
3. AEW
4. IWGP
5. Impact
6. ROH
7. NWA
The Golden 7
@ANDON HOWARD Same with Universal.
So why wouldn't the GHC or AJPW Triple Crown count?
@ANDON HOWARD Impact title really matter?
I think a pro wrestling world title needs to have a lineage with first world wrestling championship held by george hackensmith
Doesn’t the WWE title include the word world since WWE is an acronym?
In a way, but the NWA world title isnt a "National" Title just because they are the "National Wrestling Alliance" in a case of semantics (which this whole convo is) wouldn't count imo. If it does, the same is true of every other WWE title. So all their titles would be "World" Championships with that same logic. So that's gonna be a No from me Dawg.
Since it is in the company's name and not the belt's name I don't think that counts.
Well you do have a point there
If you compare to boxing they use the word world or international in the acronym
@@m.m.3029 stfu
Interesting sidenote - if you check out the WWE Encyclopedia, they mention Verne Gagne as a 10x champion. So it is clear that they acknowledge world titles only when it suits them.
Like belts in Karate.....it really only matters when people care.
I was asking myself this exact question a month ago. Really great to see an in depth answer to this!
Thank you
From what I understand, a World Championship is based on perception.
I mean, who doesn't want to be the WWE champion?
Another champion that was more prestigious in the 1990's than today was All Japan Pro Wrestling's Triple Crown.
Thank you Dave for the video. 🙂
Current Certified Active Pro Wrestling World Championships (In the United States):
(1) National Wrestling Alliance Worlds Heavyweight Championship: Established July 14, 1948;
(2) World Wrestling Entertainment Championship: Established April 25, 1963;
(3) Major League Wrestling World Heavyweight Championship: Established April 7, 2002;
(4) Impact Wrestling World Championship (formerly Total Nonstop Action World Heavyweight Championship): Established June 19, 2002;
(5) Ring of Honor World Championship: Established July 27, 2002;
(6) World Wrestling Entertainment Universal Championship: Established July 25, 2016;
(7) All Elite Wrestling World Championship: Established May 25, 2019.
I will also add:
(A) World Xtreme Wrestling Heavyweight Championship (formerly World Star Wrestling Federation): Established 1997;
(B) World League Wrestling Heavyweight Championship: Established February 1999;
( C ) Combat Zone Wrestling World Heavyweight Championship: Established March 27, 1999;
(D) Pro Wrestling Guerrilla World Championship: Established August 30, 2003;
(E) Full Impact Pro World Heavyweight Championship: Established September 25, 2004;
(F) United Wrestling Network World Championship: Established October 13, 2020
Expecting to see the new country 'Dave Knows Countries' in the near future
IMO, a World title gains that status once it is defended in multiple countries. By that logic, not even the AEW title has earned that status yet (as far as I know) because it's only been defended in the States.
A lot of ppl share that thought
5:35 I mean, it's the World Wrestling Entertainment Championship so technically there's World. But I'm just stretching more than Stu Hart at this point
Well if that's the case then every WWE belt is a World title
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Fair point
ecw and wwe ecw should count as the world title since it was represented the brand
It really only matters if you follow one specific promotion. It is not a sport that demands a sanctioning body which is what IWGP is supposed to be to New Japan Pro-Wrestling (who are, supposedly "just the promoter"). If there is not a storyline separation between "promoters" and sanctioning body (how combat sports worked until MMA) then there is no "world champion," just company champs.
I believe once a title has been defended outside the country of origin, over seas, and in other promotions, then It can be referred to as a world title. I think the Heavyweight part is the more prestigious label, because as you said no one counts World Tag and World Junior Heavyweight reigns as "world" title reigns. But titles lose there luster based on totally outside factors like how rich the promotion is or how popular something is for a hot minute then dropped, so unfortunately it can't matter.
PWI is a heinous smark rag who are just trying to slap as many "world" title reigns on New Japan Jinder as possible in as short amount of time possible.
Great content
Although PWI's criteria isn't always perfect or consistent, I use that to judge whether a championship should be recognized as a world title. The more "world" titles you have, the more they diminish other established world titles. The original NWA World title had credibility because the champion traveled and defended the belt all over the country and internationally.
Interesting discussion. I find it strange that a single organization can have more than one top belt. Which has more prestige: WWE Championship or Universal Title? I think legacy counts for a lot, so I see the WWE title as more prestigious.
The universal title means nothing to me so I agree there
Wwe books universal as more important title.... Wwe treating drew like secondary champion
I mean wwe champion has the wwf champion history it the more important because it the one that hogan Austin rock and a lot more won not to mention the both universal champion sucks
My approach is that (i) It must be defended in at least two continents on a semi-regular basis, (ii) Is the main belt for the company and (iii) Is defended semi-regularly in front of not only a large crowd (of perhaps 10,000+?), but also (iv) Is defended live to a TV audience of at least 1 million+ worldwide (counting US and all other country totals). That way, it puts the "World" in a "World Title", since matches with it being on the line actually are significant according to a decent-sized world audience. That said, I guess whether the title is taken seriously is also a decent factor, because the WCW World Title met all my criteria in 1999-2000, but was still deemed to be a mockery of a world title by that point!
I do appreciate your insight on the matter. I like that being taken seriously is a factor
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If I remember correctly, to be a world championship.
1. The company must be in business for 5 years or more
2. The championship must be defended on at least 3 separate continents
3. Be defended at every PPV/PLE
I don't remember the other requirement
Where did you get this from?
@DaveKnowsWrestling I want to say it was in an old PWI article I read a fews year back but I dont really remember, I could be completely wrong as well, I'm about 50/5 that's where I read it
I think WWE do recognise the AWA World Champion cuz they officially recognise Verne Gagne as a 10 time World Champion. So technically Curt Henning and Jerry Lawler could be recognized as a 1 time World Champion as each of them has a 1 time reign as AWA World Champion :)
That is a good point about Verne... makes it even weirder that Jerry and Curt aren't as recognized in WWE
Vince said
Belts are props
in danger of losing social credits there 1:55
IMO WWE should not be the bench mark as they generally fail to acknowledge the existence of their competition. first time Angle stepped back into a WWE ring it was exclaimed that he would have ring rust as he hadn't set foot in a ring in 10 years... It's one thing to not acknowledge another companies belt, but to deny that it exists is ridiculous. Some of Kurts best work was during his time in TNA.
Me vs My girlfriend for the TV remote!.. only at PPV!
If it's on PPV can't you both agree to just watch yourselves on TV
Wow, I really didn't knew how many world titles Jerry Lawler had 0_0
A lot of people don't
Ive always had it in my head that an Intercontinental belt is a belt that is defended on one or more continents, whereas to qualify as a World championship, It should be defended on all of them.
A far better way of determining a World title would be that it has to be held by a wrestler from every Continent, rather than defended in each Continent.
Well if that's the case, I want to see an Antarctica match!
I think an intercontinental title represents only a select number of continents, not all of them. I’m pretty sure the WWE IC title represents North and South America, plus Europe I think.
Hell in a Frozen Cell?
You artfully avoided the conversations around NXT. I don't see it as a world championship promotion but some do.
I didn't bring it up because I just thought it was a forgone conclusion that it isn't a world title. I wasn't aware that anyone viewed it as such
You left out the fact that for substantial parts of the last 15 years WWE has had two belts simultaneously, making it much easier to acquire a WWE belt. IMO all WWE belts during those periods should only count as half a title reign.
If I'm choosing between 300+ days a year and 40 for the same pay...GET THE WEAPONS!
For me, if you have wrestled in 4-5 of the 7 continents, it's a world championship. Instantly, NWA, WWE, WCW, ROH and TNA/IMPACT are. I would consider the IWGP championship too, but it doesn't have it in the name.
Do you know what the IWGP stands for? It's International Wrestling Grand Prix. The reason why they don't put “World” on that belt is because back in the Territorial days, they were part of NWA territory. By which they have to acknowledge the NWA World Heavyweight Championship as the Top belt too. Which is why NJPW only put the name for their Top belt as IWGP Heavyweight Championship. Also before the creation of IWGP Heavyweight Championship, their main belt was NWF World Heavyweight Championship. But because they were part of NWA territory, that belt became simply NWF Heavyweight Championship. Also the original IWGP Heavyweight Championship wasn't the belt that we know now. It was defended annually, 'till IWGP League 1987 (one of the early version of G1 Climax) when the IWGP Heavyweight Championship we know now was established to be defended regularly.
@@apm777dynamite3 wow that was impressive. Thanks for you knowledge it was very informative. I forgot NJPW was an NWA territory.
if i were a wrestler i would signed with NJPW work my way up to the top and take on the False God Kota Ibushi, challenged for the IWGP World Heavyweight Champion, beat him and split that titles back into two where they will once again be the IWGP Heavyweight and IWGP Intercontinental Champion, there i would defend those titles like a double champion are supposed to do. defend those title separately
That's a difficult question to answer, very interesting though
The World wrestling championship title in any promotion should be a whole as 'one world title' no matter the promotion a wrestler goes to a world championship is a world championship, shouldn't matter the promotions in either region to wrestle for that world title.
Also too only 3 titles that should be recognized as a whole when it comes to being world champion or world champions are: the world championship title and the world tag team championship titles in my opinion, that's it.
Forget the: I.C., European, 24/7, FTW, T.V., Diva, Hardcore, Internet, X-Division, Knockouts, U.S. or North American, ect......
These title belt gimmicks shouldn't count at all. These gimmick belts are just to fill in a gaps to accept certain criterias of what other belts wrestlers can acquire and obtain to fit certain narratives for entertainment and not to be taken seriously. Especially when there's too many wrestling belts being thrown around in wrestling that it begins to get stale and ridiculous, example: the trio championship and the gift of the gods championship and so forth.
Nice review on the topic.
PWI used to consider the NWA and AWA as world titles because the holders of such would defend the titles in other countries against wrestlers from different promotions. The WWF title was considered a company title because although it might have been defended in different countries it was always against wrestlers from within the promotion. The AWA World title was recognized by All Japan as well as promotions in Germany and the UK and also by the promotion in Memphis and Houston which were not part of the AWA. So, technically, Curt Henning and Jerry Lawler should be considered a former World Champion on at least one occasion each.
But that's just using PWI logic I guess.
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Thank you so much for saying so
I was under the impression that the heavyweight champion of a promotion was considered a world champion
There are a lot of ppl who think that, but that would include a lot of smaller promotions, which doesn't feel appropriate
What about that big cardboard WhatCulture Championship??🤣🤣🤣
Oh well of course, that goes without saying
i can finally hear the into now
My personal criteria for the longest time used to be a title’s lineage-i.e. if it’s an offshoot of the NWA title. So under that criteria, the only titles I used to consider “world titles” would be the NWA, original WWE, WCW and ECW (when it was still around), and TNA titles.
But now, I personally tend to look at them based on their different traditions: I view each wrestling tradition (e.g. American, Lucha, Puro) as their own “universes” with their own world titles existing mutually exclusive to each other. So in the WWE universe (which I see as its very own wrestling culture because of how big and ubiquitous it is), their world titles are the WWE and Universal (and maybe NXT). In the American wrestling universe, the four world titles are the NWA, TNA, ROH, and I suppose AEW (though their title is still new). In the Puroresu universe, the six world titles are the IWGP, AJPW and GHC heavyweight and junior heavyweight titles. In the Lucha universe, the CMLL and AAA titles are their world titles.
So for example, I consider Shinsuke Nakamura a 3-time world champion in the “Puro Universe” but in the “WWE Universe” he’s basically Hirooki Goto, having done literally everything else and winning every accolade except for a world title.
Thank you for you insight. And I do understand that a title's lineage is very important. Personally though, I do feel that some titles can work themselves out of their own lineage and lose the prestige
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Oh yeah definitely. IIRC that was a main reason why WWE was able to call their title “Undisputed” for a time and no one objected even though the NWA title still existed. No offense to the NWA, but what the hell were they gonna do about it at the time?
well you can technically called the WWE Champion as the WWE World Heavyweight Champion since the word "World Heavyweight" is still on the title
Technically the wwe title is the wwe world heavy weight champion as stated on the belt. It cattails the Legacy of the old wcw world title
I always thought it was after the title was defended in a different country.
Tbh i think a Championship belt should be considered as a Legit World Championship according to the following :
1. The talent rating of each respective promotion (How good are the wrestlers in each promotion)
2. The promotion TV network rating (eg. TNT, FOX, etc...)
My opinion these are the real legitimate World Champion :
1. WWE CHAMPION
2. WWE UNIVERSAL CHAMPION
3. AEW WORLD CHAMPION
4. NWA WORLDS CHAMPION
6. IMPACT WORLD CHAMPION
7. IWGP CHAMPION (now known as IWGP WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION due to Unification with IWGP INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPION)
8. AJPW TRIPLE CROWN CHAMPION
9. GHC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
Initially i wish to recognise AAA MEGA CHAMPION but since Kenny Omega won it and have not been defending it like for over 1 year, i felt its not up to the status of World champion anymore as a World Champion in Pro Wrestling should be defended regularly. I also wish to recognised Zero1 World Champion but when i found out it is recognised as the same status as Zero1 United National Champion (which obviously not considered a World title), then i guess technically its not a legitimate World Champion.
For retired belt i think the following should be recognise :
1. WCW WORLD CHAMPION
2. WCW INTERNATIONAL WORLD CHAMPION
3. ECW WORLD CHAMPION
4.WWE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION
5. ORIGINAL WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION (before Lou Thesz era)
6. AWA WORLD CHAMPION
7. Some Territory era WORLD CHAMPIONS which were retroactively recognised by NWA
8. CWA (Catch Wrestling Association a German wrestling promotion, not Continental Wrestling Association) WORLD CHAMPION
9. IWA WORLD CHAMPION (International Wrestling Enterprise title, not other wrestling promotions which are also called IWA)
These are the titles that were contested between top Wrestling star in the whole world. 🙏✌️💪
It's up to the fans
my personal opinion of a world title is the top title in a major promotion. what i mean by this is a promotion that has either a tv deal or steaming service.
wwe
nwa
awa
wcw
ecw
impact
roh
aew
mlw
njpw
ajpw
noah
AAA
CMLL
Does ECW title count as a world title it did being defended in japan years ago & does the CZW title count as a world title as well?
Well what do you think
@@DaveKnowsWrestling I consider it honestly
The internet screws up everything. Before, the main criterion was always presence and exposure. Your promotion, and therefore championship, was limited to where you toured or had tv.
But now, even some kids having razorwire matches in a chicken coop out in Stumpknocker, MS can stream worldwide. However, doesn't mean anyone's watching that stream.
So perhaps for the "modern world", we should base world title recognition on some minimum viewership threshold. Maybe money generated?
Brian Kendrick was a world champion! Recognize him, WWE!
Good luck with that one
What did it say when he got the pin in that scramble match? “Brian Kendrick current WWE champion” it counts!
Thing is when you see the nfl players in the parades in front of millions of people or drake taking belts to an nba game it’s always the wwe heavyweight championship and not AEW or NJPW. If you grabbed a random guy off the street he’ll 100% know the wwe championship and not the others not even the universal . It’s universally accepted as the top accomplishment in professional wrestling. So I guess that would be the only world championship.
Well, it looks like Pro Wrestling Illustrated got their act together and is going to start recognizing the Nwa and Impact wrestling world titles again. They are also going to recognize the CMLL, MLW, ROH, ALL JAPAN, PRO WRESTLING NOAH, and STARDOM titles as world titles as well
UPDATE: PWI has now recognized the iwtv independent wrestling championship and the Pan African world diaspora championship as world titles. Sorry that this video is outdated Dave...... Again. Lmao
The ECW title is an interesting case in my opinion. If you counted the WWE version as a world title, you'd have guys who never got a run but probably should have(Bobby Lashley, John Morrison), guys who won their first world title a few years later(CM Punk, Mark Henry, Christian), and guys who shouldn't ever be world champion(Chavo Guerrero, Ezekial Jackson) all get to be former world champions.
It is a very weird case.. all the more reason why WWE didn't know what they were doing with ECW
Flair held belts that wwe or wcw recognized same with cena
A Top World Title requires International respect, either by the fans or other promotions. This could mean defending the title in another country, having international TV deals
I think those are fair assessments
I thought there was a period of time in the 70s when the WWWF found itself under the NWA banner again and the WWWF title was relegated back to regional status. But I could just be remembering that incorrectly.
The WWE Championship is the only one with actual prestige, at least in the US. NWA is a shadow of what it used to be.
nxt champion soon to be 3rd world tittle in WWe just like wwe ecw
Should a world title need tv/ prominent display?
WWE, easily.
NJPW has really grown in the west since 2010.
But say Progress and ICW. Both use the World moniker, and work with WWE, but I would not consider it a 'world title', as they lack accessibility to fans.
A world championship shouldn't ignore or accept a lineage anytime it please it just muddy things up (NWA, WWE, IWGP)
I'm using this for example Jeff Jared wins the NWA North American championship while Dan Severn is the NWA World Heavyweight Champion. Also the WCW world championship and the international when Ric Flair came back to WCW with the original belt
Yea the whole thing is all over the place
Not sure if it is or not, but to me, the "World Championship", in a way, is a bit of kayfabe still existing in wrestling. Many companies will link their title back to the one won by George Hackenschmidt in 1903, (NWA, WWE, WCW), though I'm not sure any of them can truly link their lineage back to the title.
WWE needs to Hurry up and defend the universal title on the ISS already
Don't understand the need for a world title when there's no real competition
Then what do you watch wrestling for in the first place if that's you're mentality? And if you don't watch, then what are you doing commenting on a wrestling youtube video?
Didn't Ric Flair actually win the world title over 20 times? It's just only 16 recognized. The other reigns were in other countries and the NWA didn't report them or recognize them.
I have a video discussing exactly that
Thanks. I’ll check it out.
The NWA belt is the true works belt.
As you know,all the titles came in some way from the NWA
AEW's didn't
@@DaveKnowsWrestling True,but'it's not a World title...yet
WHIRLED CHAMPION
There can be as many world championships as there are worlds. This only raises the question of what is a world? How many worlds are there?
You’re probably just confused about what a world truly is. You’re probably mistaken into the narrow-minded but common belief that a world is a planet. It is not.
When you play a video game, like GTA, is that not it’s own unique world? Does The Walking Dead not contain its own world? Why then, can’t a wrestling promotion be it’s own world too, or in the WWE’s case, even an entire “universe”? Why not, it worked for Star Wars and Marvel Comics.
After all, The AWA World Championship was never THEE World Championship, it’s only the “AWA World” Championship.
I would argue that any wrestling promotion is it’s own unique world and thus it can have its own world championship. Whether or not Marvel Comics wants to recognize Star Wars as being its own world is irrelevant.
At the end of the day, a world championship is just a made-up word, like all words, with no real meaning until you prescribe it one. It’s all just one big whirled world of whirled words.
There's only one world, so there can only be one world champion/ Kerry Von Erich
I get his point with the statement
Shouldn't the WWE title be the least prestigious title since the the guy who is holding is just the champion of the company?
Interesting logic there
I think u may have over-thought this whole thing lol great video tho
Over-thought? Me? You must be new here
@@DaveKnowsWrestling I am yes. Awesome videos tho. I'm catching up on all of them
Well be ready... I over-think a lot. Hope you enjoy it. And Welcome to the Know-It-All Nation!
If a Title is being defended around the World yes by all means call it a World Title I would say but its got me thinking what about a Title that's the top Title in a company that's calling it a World Title and it is defended by wrestlers from all around the World but it never leaves say Europe is that considered a World Title? or what if a Title is the top Title in a company but it's called name of the company Title, Global Title, International Title or Intercontinental Title and it's defended around the World is that Title considered a World Title even do it dose not have World in its name? Another 1 would be say if a Title with a regional name is defend around the World is that considered a World Title or should that type of Title only be defend in the region its name holds, for example a Title called North American Title should that only be defended in the North America and not around the World or a Title called All Ireland Title should that not be defend only on the Island of Ireland and not around the World? Oh and what about Female Titles what qualifies them as World Titles? #DaveKnowsWrestling
For me, the NWA & IWGP titles count, along with any other top championships that have a long lineage. Did NWA & NJPW have sour years? Absolutely, but when they've been around for as long as they have, with the kinda exposure they have had, its kinda hard to say either of these two arent world championships. If there has to be ONE World Champion, I'd say it has to be NWAs just for how long its been around
I’d choose czw coz I just simply love TOD
In the attitude era austin the rock bret hart etc were 5/6 time champions around 07-08 as u see edge cena hhh orton are 11-16 time champions like wtf
Seriously.. it's way too much. I thought Rock had it too many times
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I mean you can also see why the WWE took world out of their championship and now it's just the championship I'm at the universal because they want to be different with the universal title but then I clean NWA still around they have the 10 lb of gold so they technically still have the world championship
PWI should not be the decider of anything let's be honest.
WWE is doing the UNIVERSAL championship... So, when do we get a titledefence on the moon?
The Hardcore Championship means more to me than
The Universal Championship ever will
Wow.. bold claim. Not necessarily arguing... but bold claim
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I'll take any one of their "so bad it's good matches" over Reigns vs Lesnar any day of the week
IN modern "Kayfabe" the term "World" just means youre the top man or woman in the WORLD of your Promotion ,even casual fans get that. But remember Dave ,when people were made World Champion they were put in charge to carry the promotion and be the top man ,that's no longer true IMO Roman Reigns doesn't have to be the main draw anymore. And in a lot of situations especially in WWE the So-called world champ takes a backseat in his or her own angles. Sometimes being a "World Champion " doesn't mean Jack Sh*t , ask Bray Wyatt. IN the world of let's say ,Impact, Rich Swann is WC. Just because nobody else Aknowledges it, doesn't make it. Not true
pwi recognition is dumb you can’t pick and choose when a title is a world title or not.
that’s like me saying i didn’t like when jinder was champ so he wasn’t world champion
I do think that if it's just one champ you don't like it's hard to disqualify it. Never the less I can recognize when a belt is not what it once was over a period of time. I can't pretend that the NWA title is the same as it's always been. As much as I like it and as much as I try
@@DaveKnowsWrestling but it would make no sense to consider r truth a world champion and then say nick aldis isn’t a world champion because it lost prestige over time , they won the same championship.
plus i see a lot of people in the iwc discrediting wwe’s version of ecw , just because it wasn’t as good as the original doesn’t mean their positioning and lineage of ecw champion between 06-10 weren’t world champions, wwe considered that championship a world championship.
Hey I understand, ultimately, prestige is something people feel. And because there is no official criteria, a feeling is all we can go on. So because of this, how ppl feel changes and who has the feels changes, so it's only fair to see the meaning of the title change too. Of course, if there was an official ruling that would be different
"The word world isn't in either of them" so everyone does forget the first W in WWE stands for world. And that always bugged the crap of me. Why they even called it the wwe world championship? Its like yall are saying world wrestling entertainment world championship. Why not call it wwe undisputed or wwe heavyweight championship? Just makes more sense if they marketing team stop being dumb
Well in that case the word world is in every title and they're all world titles
Back 60 70 years ago when it was all the companies were in The NWA yeah you only needed one World Champion,but tell Bruno Sammartino and Verne Gange in the 60s that that title was the only one that mattered. Me personally in that example if I was a wrestler and I had a company out of New York that there entire area was Philadelphia down to Florida and they offered me the same money and schedule forget WWE. Sleeping in my own bed atleast twica a week for the same money? I don't need to wrestle in Minnesota or California.
Well I doubt anyone is offering you a contract anytime soon
@@DaveKnowsWrestling I'm not holding my breath for your skinny butt main eventing any ppvs with Roman either.