What is Aesthetic Distance (And How Should It Be Used In Wrestling)
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- DAVE KNOWS that Aesthetic Distance is not a term that gets used all that much in wrestling and in general. However perhaps in should. Kayfabe and Pro Wrestling like other forms of performance, are all about the relationship between the performer and the audience. This nature needs to be explored better for wrestling, especially since wrestling does have some unique characteristics that make it different from other performances, but also give it some advantages as a result. So let's explore Aesthetic Distance, a term that we should think about and how it should be used, since not everyone would agree.
This is without a doubt the most intelligent and insightful video I’ve ever seen on kayfabe and the fictional stories of pro wrestling. Thank you for educating me today.
Hey Thanks so much, that really means a lot to hear
"Dave Knows" his shit. as always :D thx again friend
Thank you for appreciating it
This was insightful because it put my problem with modern wrestling into a concept. Wrestlers working the crowd often dilutes the match for me. It feels like I'm now forced to just watch the ring ability of the performers, and that withdrawals the immersion effect of the match. I noticed that seasoned WWE vets do not work the crowd at all or very minimally
Love the Chappelle show reference. Weird no one noticed that. lol
Thanks and one other person has caught it
In an alternate Universe Dave's last name is McMahon. He is in control of the wwe and he has given us continuous amazing matches and stories with a great product. Dude you are on point as always.
Thank you so much and I would like to know what the food is like in that universe
ANOTHER FANTASTIC video & VERY educational.
Just watching your videos I find myself becoming a MORE educated and rounded fan of professional wrestling.
Thank you so much for that high praise. I appreciate the kind words and I am happy to hear that. Thanks again
love content like this, not a list that's been done to death on here.
Thank you Dizzie
Very interesting, I love learning new things from you which you facilitate though the format of wrestling.
Thanks so much. And thank the Patreon poll for voting this one in
Great video as always my man!
Appreciate it!
When keeping it real goes wrong? Dave chapel answered that
I know, I love referencing that any chance I get
Long time viewer, first time commenter coming out of my shell to thank you Dave, this topic really is some next level stuff.
Hey thanks so much and so glad that you commented. I always appreciate kind words and I really love to get to discuss different ideas and tie them into wrestling
It's simply what you believe wrestling's core is, if you believe emotion is the core distancing the crowd is bad but if character is the core distancing the crowd is good. There are pros and cons to both. If you focus on emotion as your core you have lighter bumps and a more fired up crowd but you'll also have the possibility of your heels getting attacked and you'll have to stay closer to reality.if character is your focus you'll have more outlandish storylines and characters but you'll also have harder bumps and unintentioned reactions to characters
I think that is a very intelligent way of putting it
I enjoyed this video so much. So informative, never even heard of the term before I saw the title. Thanks Dave!!
Thank you for appreciating something different
This is really interesting and I had never heard of aesthetic distancing before. Just out of curiosity, would a work/shoot promo (e.g. Mick Foley's "Cane Dewey" or "I gave you Cactus Jack" promos, or Triple H's " I am the game, JR" promo) be considered another example of this; I'm not sure if I fully understand the concept so I think they are but I'm not sure. As always great stuff Dave.
I think it does count for sure, it's a reality check for the audience
Just stumbled upon you today. Already subscribed. The videos I watched already were fantastic.
Why dont you have more subscribers?
I wish I new just hope word spreads. Thank you for being here
@@DaveKnowsWrestling sent you to a few of my wrestling fan friends to help out. Legit like your stuff and keep it up.
this is a great idea for a video thank you
Thank you for saying so
Dave should do a Podcast discussing Professional Wrestling.
83 Weeks gets old after awhile.
This makes me think of stories that guys like Freddie Blassie and even guys after him, from the 70's and even 80's of fans attacking them,. Drinks thrown in your face, people trying to snuff cigars out on you, needing armed guards to get you back to your car or a police escort to the freeway so they could get away. In those days, you lived in Kayfabe, to protect the business.
So, as Al Snow says, people as a whole have known wrestling is a work since the 30's. Yet, some fans become so emotional they attacked a heel, because they truly believed he had beaten up their favorite wrestler. Conversely, back in the early 80's in New Orleans, The Junkyard Dog was OVER. Roddy Piper told a story about how after getting beaten up for a while, he would turn to the crowd and say "HELP ME!" and they would start his chant. "Who dat sayin' they gonna beat that dog? Who gon 'beat that dog?" (Supposedly this was the where the "Who Dat" stuff came from when the Saints went to the superbowl years back) Many of them felt that they were helping JYD "hulk up" and win the match.
Holy crap, you just described to me why I hate most entertainment. I’m always viewing it in the same way you describe the “distancing effect”. Due to my own personal life I’ve been conditioned to always see as many sides as possible on an issue so the good guys always seem grey to me and with most Hollywood stories if the good guy is grey it’s garbage.
Fascinating experience... isn't interesting how perception really changes things
Great video, what is the name of the song you play in the background of every video?
Very interesting
Well, in my opinion you just described that line of Somebody just watching a Wrestling TV show vs Kayfabe and Angles that can Emotionally make an audience invest so much, they can litterally lose sense of Reality. And Ricky Morton in his prime would stretch his hand out to the audience while he was getting thrashed saying "Please Help me" and the crowd would lose their minds. Or Emotional angles such as.Daniel Bryan vs The Authority. Kofi Mania, The Von.Erichs versus the Freebirds or it could even be a just a great Wrestling Match like Steamboat vs Savage or Omega vs Jericho where the audience has gotten so invested they're Emotionally Spent when the match is over
You def mentioned some great examples
Very good
Thanks
Great video!
Thanks!
Dave Knows What You Did Last Summer
NEW VIDEO YESSSSS
YEAH!
imo
Exceptional vid, even by your high standards.
imo
Thank you so much as always. The Patreon vote wanted an outside topic brought into a wrestling context. But with these, I'm always wondering how they will perform view wise
@@DaveKnowsWrestling You have a real talent for tying things together and keeping it real, rational and interesting.
Never thought of this
It's not a common thing... for some reason. I learned about it for theater
@@DaveKnowsWrestling thanks again for spreading the knowledge
you show superman and totally miss the posture change that added at least 4 inches to his height and that the glasses aren't the only thing he uses for the disguise
NORM!
I'd like to see a conversation between Dave and Corny
I would too
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Let's get your subs to Bryan Zane level ~100K, Corny won't give a rub to someone he perceives as a job guy. Then stay in his good graces considering he has disowned his own son.
I would love to get to that level
Dave you should go live on IG and talk to us fans on video chat I would love to give you some ideas of videos I think would be dope
I go live on here
A E S T H E T I C
Wait, this isn’t a vaporwave video
Hey Dave hope you are well
Thanks, hope you are as well
When it was drummed into your head since you were 5 when you started watching"You Know This Is Fake Right You Know This Is Fake Right?" This was the only thing I ever dealt with. Apparently to hear the story the only reason Goldberg didn't really kill that guy was because all the gas station attendants jumped on him. I HATE when people break the 4th wall in tv shows and movies. Nothing takes me out of it and makes me lose interest more and faster.
Well that is the point is it not?
@@DaveKnowsWrestling To make you lose interest?
Wrestling is alot similar to standup comedy. There are those that can adapt thru hostile situations like Richard Pryor. And those that can thrive thru it like a Bill Burr. Plenty of comedians make you question their morals and handful can either back it up or make it part of the show.
I agree that the two industries are similar
Dave I don't believe you explained that once upon a time people believed the Sport of professional wrestling was a real contest & not a exhibition of the sport of catch as catch can....
That was an extremely long time ago and I didn't think it was necessary to bring up beyond just talking about hooking the marks, which i did mention
well this was the reason for the destruction of muhammed hasan as a wrestler.
Umm.. those were very surprising dots to connect
You could have titled the "how mjf is relevant" lol