Stampede Style Wrestling
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- DAVE KNOWS that Canadian Strong Style Wrestling is one of if not the best form of professional wrestling styles out there. It's actually my personal favorite. So it's about time I finally get to do an episode on it and discuss the history, the breakdown and what makes it so great. And also, I compare it to the Japanese version of Strong Style to see what's the difference.
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If I can be serious for a minute, I see Lance Storm, I click.
If you don't know Dave he is a great channel
I like that way of thinking
His run in WCW was one of few good things about the last years of WCW. Remember when he had 3 titles and renamed the Hardcore title the Saskatchewan Hardcore International Title? (you figure out the acronym)
Fat Tiger the last good things wcw had were the last things they took from ecw. I think Douglas did good work there at the end too.
"That's from Calgary
(dramatic pause)
Alberta Canada"
I like Owen Hart who uses a blend of Japanese Canadian and Lucha Libre Style.
He was very talented by blending styles
He was my favorite wrestler in the wwf growing up. Such a shame he left us the way he did
@@damanzakkwylde it was fucking criminal..
this channel doesn't have nearly wnough subscribers
the production quality on this is beautiful
Thanks so much for thinking so and I just hope word spreads. And thanks for appreciating the production as well
I don't think I've ever heard it called Canadian Strong Style, that's neat to know now!
Same, I was aware of this style, but known only as "Stampede Wrestling" or stuff like that.
As I mentioned at the beginning, it's just a name that got attached to it later on
yeah me too. but canadian strong style sounds great.
It’s called shoot style
I've always just referred it to "Dungeon Style" myself. Never heard the term "Canadian Strong Style" until now.
I mean, I love a lot of styles of wrestling, but Canadian is great and really underrated, especially in today's wrestling world
Canadian wrestling is the best by far for me
Canadian here. I watched everything growing up in the 80s, but Stampede and Lutte Internationale were just awesome.
I'm Canadian. Grew up on Stampede and Lutte Internationale...we certainly love our wrestling up here. All the best and stay safe.
Dave in honour of your great work in teaching about canadian wrestling, i hearby bestow on you honorary canadian citizenship. You can now say "take off eh!" And call people "hosers"
I went to high school with Lance Storm. I didn't know him personally but he and his friends put on a wrestling show for the school and he was amazing.
As a fan who came of age during the “New Generation,” this is also still my favourite style of wrestling.
I haven't seen a video on it you should do a video on all the people trained from The Hart dungeon.
PS good video Idea Dave. This is why I love this channel you do video ideas no one else does
I have considered that, only issue is how many ppl argue whether or not wrestlers like Jericho count
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Personally I'm in the camp Jericho doesn't count. If you weren't personally stretched by Stu I don't think it counts. It's still a great video idea, and you could totally point out that ambiguity and just run the video based on what you define it as.
@@DaveKnowsWrestling you could do ones personally trained by Stu and ones trained by other members
@@Gendoshands I think it counts cause being trained by Bret isnt the same but its still damn cool
@@Gendoshands Jericho is in the linage of guys trained by Stu, so I'd say he counts by extension if not so much directly.
Interesting, I was familiar with the Hart/Stampede style of wrestling but I wasn't familiar with a lot of information mentioned in this video especially about Stu bringing experts from other backgrounds to assist in the dungeon. One thing I will give this style over Japanese Strong Style is that the Canadian style has less risks of injury, which is a good thing.
Yeah Stu didn't mess around. And I agree on the injury part of it
Check out Bret's book. He talks about the influence of Japanese wrestlers on himself and the Stampede territory. Cheers from Canada.
How did I miss this channel?
Wow - This is fantastic!
Thank you.
Thank you so much and glad that you're here. Welcome to the Know-It-All Nation!
As a former Canadian wrestler I support this message 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦👍
So glad to get the approval!
Imagine Stu Hart being your drill sergeant in the Navy 😂
I've never heard Stu yell, but how calm he was while stretching guys is intimidating enough.
I never knew my favorite style had a name. Thanks, Dave!
No problem
@@DaveKnowsWrestling it's funny a lot of my favorite wrestlers were Canadian and I never knew why.
Dave, I just wanted to say that you know your shit and do your research dude. I know you know this but I just wanted to relay my appreciation.
I just recently discovered your channel and you've become one of my favorite Wrestling TH-camrs in a short time since then.
I prefer your style and the topics I've seen you cover to anybody. I wish your videos were longer BUT that's NOT a criticism.... you don't artificially inflate your videos and I love but also respect that.
I dunno, just wanted to say I love your videos dude. Great work!
Great video, I've always been fascinated by Canadian wrestling, it's this weird middle ground between eastern and western styles.
It's the best of all worlds
Always a fan of the Canadian style of wrestling
Just as everyone should be
I miss the Impact Players
"That's from Calgary
(dramatic pause)
Alberta Canada"
May need to have a discussion about the Snake Pit and The Catch Wrestling Associaton. Two men enters one man leave with a toe stuck in his ear
I have brought it up before, it was def a tough place
As a Canadian I have to say you nailed this. Great job.
Thank you so much and go Canada
Fritz Von Erich went through The Dungeon? Now that is something I would pay money to see. lol
So would I
Ah, this was the video I was waiting for. As a Canadian, I've always been deeply immersed in watching this style, and it has always fascinated me how parallel Canadian wrestling and Japanese wrestling is, despite having such opposite philosophies.
Here here I agree and thank you for enjoying
Canadian here too. Grew up on Stampede and Lutte Internationale. Cheers from Ottawa.
@@ferox965 Cheers from Lethbridge, Alberta.
DAVE I must give you the highest praise on this feature on the mostly misunderstood interpretation of what just Stu Harts training methodology was ALL about. which can be called C.S.S
BC the style is what was going to get OVER the MOST to the Canadian fan base watching in
AND IN MY HUMBLE Opinion it’s the best, most realistic, and presents to The audience watching especially live that they are indeed watching two guys in a fight...Remember in 1947 When heart started Klondike wrestling especially in that area of Canada wrestlers had a lot of respect in the community and his athletes so the CSS style was one that was very hard to pick a part because it was real legitimate shoot holds that was hard to see through . One of the MOST IMPORTANT story telling devices in CSS Wrestling is “selling “ BC EVERYTHING Else done in the match to a body part are weakened state will indeed make sense.
IF a fan saw Stu stretching Archie the Stomper in the sugar hold in the main Event, then went home and practiced on his buddies...
EVERYONE became a believer of these wrestlers & their “submission holds”...
IF A outlaw promoter had a unrealistic style of pro wrestling anywhere up until about the 70s to 80s they would be left out of the country and anytime another cosplay company would come around Stu hearts promotion it would be bad for business. Going to Stu Harts Big-time wrestling if you were a kid you would end up at the end of the night being in the living room with your brother or sister and practicing the move that you just saw performed on them, and all of a sudden you would believe as a kid there wrestling was indeed real...Despite that the wrestlers made Legit contact w/their blows & everything was highly physical, at the end of the day it was the style that although you may have felt like you had a long day at the office: you didn’t want hurt anyone permanently BC it was ALL happening again the next nite.
The J.S.S when properly “worked” by someone whom has a legit understanding of where & when to strike his opponent. Problem is MOST of that generation is LONG GONE and the wrestlers today (the real marks ) think that J.S.S is AB hitting your opponent almost at full force and that way...the fans will respect the wrestlers and the business due to the real brutality JSS is providing the viewers. They couldn’t be more wrong, couldn’t be....
The JSS Style in ring is notorious for guys hitting They’re finishers which are usually kicked out of or sometimes no sold... After a Signature move is hit on one of the guys they will immediately pop-up no sale and begin to whale on their opponent who also no sales which leads to a standoff in the rain between the two where they do a traditional wrestling “ 1,2” where the 2 Wrestlers now stand toe to toe showing they’re fighting spirit against one another and this usually leads to the end of the match... I Don’t find that selling is as important in JSS because if you think about it: taking five signature moves three finishers & still being able to stay in Toe to Toe kick/forearm each other until they roll into a FINISH...
When you really break down the psychology of a Japanese strong style wrestling and even go back to AJPW and look at honestly it can be hard to suspend your disbelief ALTOGETHER...
That’s WHY IM CANADIAN STYLE GUY
This is absolutely my favourite channel, just annoyed I didn't find it sooner
Hey I am still here glad you're a part of the Know-It-All Nation and thank you so much for saying so
Awesome video dave!!! Lance strom will always be a badass
Lance Storm sure will be
As for my favorite style, that's a tough one, I'm a big fan of almost all styles of wrestling but if say my arm is twisted then I would say 70's-80's- early 90's Lucha Libre, that was the era where high flying moves were that starting to gain relevance in Mexico but there was still a lot of emphasis on power and submission wrestling during that era but you could say it's also similar to Junior Wrestling in Japan at the time.
A very wonderful style to be sure
Man, I love how knowledgeable you are about wrestling. You really do know your stuff!
Thanks so much for appreciating
Congratulations on the 30k dave.
Thank you so very much
Awesome video Dave can't wait to see u at 30k
Haha I knew Lance Storm would feature in your video in some form or fashion. Great video Dave, I understand you are being held at gunpoint and are being told to make a Pro-Canadian video. Don’t worry, I know your true feelings about the country (wink wink 😉)
Like anybody would hold on while I change outfits that many times
Definitely keep the Suit Jackets. It's like you're a Pro Wrestling Historian with the current attire in these recent videos. Keep it coming man.
As a Canadian, thank you and ily (no homo)
Go Canada!
Cheers from Ottawa.
This was a great episode man!
Shoot style is what Sakuraba (The Gracie Killer) used destroying The Gracie Familys ideology of Jiu-Justu was unbeatable
But he's still a catch wrestler right?
Yeah most of this stuff is just an offshoot of catch wrestling
Shoot Style is pretty tough
@@DegenerateSharingan yeah one of his teachers named kimura beat Royce's grandfather with a keylock and they stole it and named it the kimura. Si much stuff from Judoka and Jiu-Justu are shared with Catch wrestling/shoot style
@@smhgaming3259 You mean Masahiko Kimura the Judoka that broke Helio Gracie's arm in the 1951 match at Meracana Stadium. But the thing is catch wrestling has been remolded to degree that's there's a Japanes jujutsu/Judo influence.
love it - subscribed! thanks, Dave!
just wanted to say...dave really knows wrestling.. thanks for the vid man.
I always knew Canadians had a particular style, I never knew it was recognized as much. I suppose it's also my favourite style, considering Bret and Jericho are my favourite wrestlers and I really like submission-heavy workers.
Well I think it's time to get the recognition going even stronger then
To be fair, the style he's talking about here was pretty particular to the Calgary territory and Stampede Wrestling. If you look at other old school Canadian wrestlers, like the Vachons, or Pat Patterson, or the even the Rougeaus, they wrestled very differently. The Vachons and Patterson especially were more of brawlers, not very technical at all.
Excellent video Dave as usual
Thank you
Anyone who wants to read a great description of Stu Hart's abilities as a wrestler should pick up Don Fargo's autobiography The Hard Way. Fargo devotes a chapter to when he broke-in to the business in Columbus under Al Haft in 1952. Haft arranged for Fargo to wrestle 3 try out matches over 3 days with 3 legendary former amatuer champions/shooters. Each man more vicious than the previous man. Day one was Speedy Larance - a legendary hooker from the 30's. Day 2 was Ruffy Silverstein - a former 2-time NCAA champion. And on the last day was Stu Hart - former Canadian welterweight champion in the 30's and undefeated Canadian light heavyweight champion for 4 straight years in the 40's. Just the sight of Stu Hart waiting in the ring for him on the third afternoon had Fargo shitting his pants. Stu stretched him without mercy as Al Haft and his wrestling office employees watched with glee giggling like school girls. The experience left Don Fargo in fear of no other wrestler more than Stu Hart in his career. When Fargo worked in Calgary 20 years later (tagging with Greg Valentine) he refused to stand within arm's reach of Stu excepting only when he'd pick up his pay envelope on Saturday mornings. It's one of the best chapters ever written about old school wrestling tryouts and the concept of ratcheting up the punishment to see what a man was made of.
Another great video! I can tell you do extensive research cause you really know your stuff man. Didn't realize that Canadian Strong Style was actually a thing (would make a great name for a Canadian tag team). Some of the best wrestlers in the world came from Stu's dungeon.
Great tribute us to heart and Canadian style thanks a lot man keep up the great videos
Thank you for the encouragement
Thank you Dave. I learned a lot from this video. 👌
So glad to hear that
I like the jacket(s) you've been rocking lately, keep it up.
Thanks
There was an episode of WWE Story Time told by Jake "The Snake" Roberts about how Stu Hart showing off his Sleeper Hold by repeatedly using it on Bret.
Oh a video about Smash-Mouth , my favorite style . Should be a good watch.
Great video Dave. Any chance you could do a video on British All In Wrestling? I've always wanted to learn more about that style.
Canadian wrestling and lucha libre are my favorite styles
Vince didn't send Pillman to Stu Hart's dungeon he went there by himself after his football career ended in Canada even before he showed up in WCW.
I realized retrospectively that I worded that in a way that does make it sound like that's what I meant. But what I meant to say was Vince sent Blackman and Henry. Oh and also Brian Pillman went there too. Sorry that it came across that way
Haven't watched the video yet, but as a Canadian it gets an unstant thumbs up!
Thank you so much and go Canada!
Great video man! May I ask you, what would be the best year of Stampede Wrestling in terms of quality wrestling matches in your opinion?
Bret "The Hitman" Hart will always be my favorite wrestler.
Also. if I ran a wrestling promotion, I would fight to get Lance Storm as head trainer. If he's retired from in-ring action, then his skills need to be used to train the next gen.
He did have a wrestling school at one point. I'm not sure if it's still open, but he's trained wrestlers before.
I bet the COVID has hurt him with his school, just like OVW and Al Snow.
@@fattiger6957 he closed it to work as a trainer for WWE earlyer this year only to get released months later (he was part of that large group of people who got let go). A shame because Storm Wrestling Academy was one of the most well known and respected schools in Canada.
Loved watching lance storm
As everyone should
@@DaveKnowsWrestling lance should have been a bigger role in WCW and ECW
@@jonathanhensley6141 By the time he got to WCW, it was already dying. He did have a memorable period where he held the US, cruiserweight, and Hardcore titles at the same time and led a stable of canadians.
@@fattiger6957 I remember that and sad they were both dying when he was In his prime. He would be great in Noah
Good stuff broski
Thanks
This is my exact style of wrestling whilst I was doing trampoline wrestling... Best part is, I'm from Sudbury, Ontario...
Likewise brurdah "stampede style" is my favorite.. as well as Bret the hitman Hart is my favorite of all time.
Canadian Style all the way!
I like your Brother Love cosplay.
Can we get a video on favorite submissions in wrestling?
Where can I watch some Canadian strong style wrestling? This was a very good video
Thank you and Stampede Wrestling would be the best place to look
So are we going to get a in-depth look at British Strong Style?
Probably and Japanese was already done
You just might one day
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Cool 👌
Hey this showed up in my feed!
Very glad to hear that it's working
Pretty good video though the timeline surprised me , so your saying it went from catch in Britian to America to Japan or were you naming then in no particular order ?
Sorry if it wasn't clear. But as I mentioned in the video, I already covered the history of Strong Style. If you seek clarification check that video out
Do a video on the hart foundation
I have a Hart Family video
Hey Dave! Will there be Lucha Libre style video in the future? Thank you!
Already did one
Some all-time greats came out of this style. My question is, when we watch Raw or Dynamite, I wonder how much of what we see came from this. It seems as though Canadian Strong style has more or less become what we see on TV today with some exceptions.
I think what we see on tv today is mostly influenced by AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels and that era of the Indy scene in the early 2000s as well as the heavyweight style of the attitude era in terms of match structure in WWE main events
Sadly, no, I don't think we see much Calgary style at all anymore. Most of the wrestling you see, especially on Dynamite, is American "indie style", which became popular in the 2000s, and featured mainly smaller, high flying wrestlers. Not exclusively, but faster matches and "big spots" were the signature. Unfortunately, something that also came with it, from the lesser wrestlers, that you also see a LOT of on Dynamite (and perhaps Raw), is a lot of no-selling, in the sense that dudes will get hit with devastating moves, and instead of acting hurt, they pop right up and are still going full blast. That was also a signature of "indie style", and something that needs to go away. Along with the "spot-fest" nature of doing moves just to do moves, instead of them having logic and reasoning behind them.
Dave make a video about shoot style wrestling
Dynamite kid and Bret Hitman Hart in the 80's.. nxt LVL shit .. So underrated..german suplex at his finest..
Bret Hitman Hart the was the best wrestler of all time from the Greatest Wrestling Family of all time... The whole package..
You forgot the other benefit of learning legit catch wrestling like Adrian Street once explained if the other guy doesnt want to do business the right way you make them do business but you do it in a way the audience doesn't know otherwise. And one of the guys who worked with Stu Hart back in the day was "judo" gene Lebell an absolute badass
Will you cover Joshi puroresu style.
Perhaps
Pillman wasn’t sent there, it’s where he got some of his earliest training.
Can we talk about the Brother Love jacket for a minute?
Sure
Pillman actually trained in the same class at the Dungeon as Benoit and Owen.
Yes, very awesome class to have
Dave, do you think there’s a Southern style of Pro Wrestling? I am thinking along the lines of MidSouth, or NWA Powerr. You know - brawling and some football stuff mixed in.
I think there are multiple Southern Styles
Does Canadian Strong Style Academy teach Stu Hart's technique
Heres a link to a video of what i was talking about in the livestream th-cam.com/video/EncdZsK7nv8/w-d-xo.html
This video is about shoot style which is my 3rd favorite style
Cool
Dave Knows Wrestling u should make a video on your top 5 favorite styles
I fear if I do, like a lot of my favorite list videos, it will just end up with ppl yelling at me in the comments that I didn't pick my own favorites right and that I left off the style they wanted to be number one
A lot of your viewers don’t know more than 5 styles so I doubt it
Can you make a video about american strong style....ive never heard of it before the american wolves started using the term
I will take it under consideration
Nathaniel Baxter well it still would make a good idea for a video with all the american wrestlers like wolves,eddie kingston,lowki,homicide,samoa joe,mvp(njpw run),chris hero,dr death,and so many more who adopted the japanese strong style. It would pretty much be roh video(which he kinda already made). Judging from the influence puroresu left on american indie wrestling in the 2000s its still makes a good idea for a video with plenty information to cover
With how many Samoans there are in wrestling, is there a Samoan style?
What if there’s a wrestling style that mixes catch as catch can, bjj/luta livre submissions, Muay Thai, judo, and high level military style Krav Maga (swiping guns and knives out of people’s hands and bending joints to the point where their bones snap)?
Well guns and knives aren't really a thing in pro wrestling
Dave Knows Wrestling fans pulling that stuff on wrestlers
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Why has no one pointed out the inverted cannadian flag colours here
Well you just did so that counts. And thanks for noticing
This is a very interesting video. I learned a lot. But some of the editing and lighting choices were very distracting for me.
Yeah I went a bit overboard on this one
Old school Mexican lucha libre wich could be considered Mexican strong style although nobody ever called it that but it was a lot hold counter hold and submission before the current high flying stile that is known today because of mysterio and mistico aka o.g. sin cara
4:49 "you're not the boss of me now"
I wish Malcolm in the Middle was still on Netflix
Now that’s not just the coolest now that’s not just the best THATS FROM CALGARY ALBERTA CANADA
The Impact Playerz were amazing
Dave Knows Wrestling no they were just incredible
Southern brawling + UK grappling = Canadian Wrestling
here in2023
🇨🇦 whoop whoop 🇨🇦
Thank you Canada for giving us Poutine
And real poutine has cheese curds, that's what I say at least
@@DaveKnowsWrestling It ain't Poutine without them
So Roh counts as Canadian strong style ?
Some members of the rosters do, but the entire company throughout their entire history doesn't fall into just one style
I hate to say this I hate to do this but...has Brian pillman ever actually won a match???
Ken shamrock was an catch wrestler in MMA
Thanks for sharing
my favorite style of wrestling is the sloth style invented by none other than the legend himself orange Cassidy
You could be professor of wrestlingology,how do you know all these stuffs?
You know Canadian Strong Style Wrestling Academy has been closed for quite some time right?
They opened just last year and I emailed them before I made this video. So that is news to me
@@DaveKnowsWrestling yeah. Josh had to close it last year
@@DaveKnowsWrestling correction he closed it early this year
Great content as usual, but I just can't watch the videos because of the editing after almost every sentence giving me a headache! I have to make do listening to the audio only.
Sorry i will admit I went overboard on this one
Can u do a video about European style
That's too vague. There is no European style. But I have tackled British Wrestling in three episodes
@@DaveKnowsWrestling i see, thanks
“Japanese Strong style is just strong style, period” TELL THEM!!! I hate when they try to subtly erase history in anything from wrestling to music to world history. Someone uneducated would think Japanese Strong style is a derivative of Strong style or something.
For many years now, I've been a long time fan of Japanese and Canadian pro wrestling because wrestlers from years past not only apply authentic strong style wrestling, but the authenticity of each moves is pure legit and believable as they tell a story inside the square circle physically which I miss. Today, its only too many high spots garbage which is pure rubbish and a circus act, not believable at all and pure nonsense. Just my take.
5:04 Lmao. Whether it was Work or Shoot, Bret looked a little irritated.
I know, I love that shot. And the mysterious is also what makes it great
I always thought this style was named after the Stamped promotion?
It is, as mentioned in the beginning this is just a modern name that's been assigned to it