Although not 3D printing or drone related, from time to time we do post videos on other topics such as gaming and VR. We made this video in the hopes that it helps other Alienware owners out there. You do need to take the computer apart so attempt at your own risk! Would love to hear from other Alienware owners, do/did you have this issue as well?
Just got the Aurora R12 but it came with air cooling all the way around and now I’m afraid to even turn it on due to these temp vids. I’m considering returning it and going elsewhere. Any thoughts or comments? Ps It was intended for hard core gaming.and 3070 card
@@ezdunit7910 Which CPU did you get with it? Considering how tough these cards are to get, wouldn't suggest you return. You can always add an extra fan at the front and get the stock Alienware CPU watercooling, then call it a day.
@@Mangorille got the intel i7 11700f with a 3070 graphics card. Idk what to do. I’m not computer friendly at all lol. I’ve checkEd out clx pre builds it looks like they have those parts for about 3 thousand. I’ll be at 26ish on this one if I keep it before the upgrades.
Just picked up one of these 3080s on eBay, card was getting to 105 degrees on memory. Took 10 minutes to reapply thermal paste and it kept gpu temp the same while dropping memory temps down to about 92 degrees. Thanks for the video!!
It's best practice to (practice) with two glass plates about the same size as the GPU chip. You'll find that a large oblong dab of paste in the center will spread more evenly and limit hot spots.
Good suggestion, thanks! I think no matter what you do, it will be better than the application Dell did. It was a disaster, took a good 15 minutes with paper towels and qtips to clean theirs up.
Excellent video with close up views and details. Thank you for posting this. I’ve been looking for exactly this, and YT eventually recommended it for me. I’ve been relying on Gamer Heaven who has a decent video but with details cut out & bad camera angles.
I needed to say thanks a lot. What a difference. Before I only was at 80mh/ fan speed 90% at low mining in nicehash and was still getting memory temp around 102c and 104c. Now mining at medium in nicehash, fans at 75% temps stable at 90c and making 99mh/s sometimes 100mh/s. By the way always with side panel open on my pc. Thanks again
i got watched many video to explanation about this ,But you are the one that more clears and details explanation! I am a zero knowledge game player,you make like pro guy now! Well done!!!
Adding a fan is a really good idea! See if yours suffers from this issue first before attempting, I suspect it will but might as well check before you go through the trouble.
r10 3090 amazing difference. The gpu fan now actually cools the vram. The temperature of the vram drops very quickly when the gpu fans ramp up. amazing! thank you so much!
@@bendixon2870 Sounds like exactly my experience with the Dell 3080. It was jumping to 110 very quickly and then thermal throttling. After this mod, it now sits at 96 to 98. Your temperatures for a 3090 are decent good. I get 98-102 on a untouched factory EVGA 3090.
I just wanted to say I was very frustrated with my temperature problem after getting my brand new Alienware. I lost all hope until I find this video, and I found the courage to try replacing thermal paste, because you explain it so nicely! I tried it today and it worked like a charm. My temperature with nicehash mining @90 MH/s was 110 degree (so I had to run it very low power settings to avoid this). After replacing the paste, I can get 120 MH/s at 94 degree. Thank you so much!!!!
What hashrate were you getting and what were your settings? I have the same 3090 and after doing this mod plus replacing both fans with noctua, my vram temps are down to 100c and gpu fan 1/2 speeds are still at about 3000 rpm while at a hashrate of 102MH/s. The fans are quite loud and i would love to see temps of under 95c.
@@SamAgro2024 102MH is on the low side for a 3090. You should be able to get it closer to 114 with a VRAM temperature of 100 degrees. Starting point is -500 core, +850 memory, and 70% power limit. I haven't been able to get 95c VRAM even on a EVGA 3090 FTW3.
Did that mod. Worked as great as advertised. I honestly do not understand how paste over the black plastic part of the card when reassembling the two peices can help.... but... It did ....
Thanks for sharing your experience. My thought is that the memory chips are currently cooled by that black plate (which I suspect is aluminum) and that black plate is cooled by the downdraft from the fans. By adding the thermal paste, we are allowing the heat from the black plate to transfer to the main silver heat sink and be better dissipated. Theoretically you should see a slight increase in GPU core temperatures but using the better thermal paste actually gives you a cooler GPU core too.
I did this mod on my R11 with RTX3080. Fans are quieter, but my GPU temp did not go down. It is running at 70C before and after. Another hack I completed was adding two 80mm exhaust fans to the side. I removed the plastic side and mounted the small fans to the metal grate, on the inside of the case. I had to hack the PSU bracket for the rear fan to fit. I got a 1to3 fan adapter. I also fit a piece of cardboard to the lower/front half of the GPU to prevent cool air from going directly out the exhaust fan. Cool air from the front fan is blowing to the GPU fans and the hot air comes out the side. No, the cardboard does not cover the fins.
Hey. This mod is more focused on reducing the memory junction temperature of the 3080/3090. The core temperature may slightly improve depending on what thermal paste you used. The fans are most likely quieter because the memory junction temperature has dropped and the GPU is no longer going crazy to cool down the memory chips with the fans. Did you check the memory temperature before and after?
@@Mangorille I got that. I didn't care about the junction temperature, just overall GPU temperatures. Your video shows this mod works to reduce temperatures for junction but thermal paste is designed for metal to metal conduction of heat. How it works with plastic (or whatever poly carbonate or ???) baffles me.
@@UberGeek Not sure what material that black piece is but it is already being used as a cooler for the memory chips. There are thermal pads connecting the memory chips to this piece.
98c is about where you see the memory on most stock 30 series cards that have the GDDR5X memory and are performing "normally" during mining. On the Dell, the thermal pads are under the black piece but the big issue with the card is that there is no heat transfer from the black piece that the memory chips are connected to and the main heatsink that the fans cool. You may be able to get a bit better performance if you change the thermal pads as well.
@@Mangorille its normal, but far from good. most people do copper shim mods on their rtx cards to lower temperatures to 70 - 80 degrees. best case simply watercool the card.
DO NOT BUY THIS CASE/PC! Have bought the r11 (i9/RTX 3080) before 6 months. It was loud and had a really bad thermal performance (awful original fans). I changed the fans to Corsair ML PRO 120 > Two for the watercooling (push/pull) and one front intake. Immediately better thermal performance and less noise. BUT the case was vibrating which led to more annoying noise. Removed the top panel of the case and it was better. Then the left side panel was making noise. Added one more front intake fan ML PRO 120. Little bit better performance but still noise. Added foam sellotape wherever possible (between case and panels). No success! So regardless what I was trying to tweak nothing was doing the job. SOLUTION: Bought the BeQuiet Silent Base 802 with a Noctua NH-D15 and now it is just a dream. I have to check the lights to make sure the PC is up and running. No noise.. great thermal performance which leads to a happy user!
Did the same but was able to get Vram temps down to 90C, while mining at a steady 101Mh/s, using the JP-Dx1 Nanodiamond CPU Thermal Paste It's not as well known as Noctua, but imo it's better. It's got the highest thermal Thermal Conductivity of any paste on the market at 16 W/mK
Thanks for the feedback. Did you use more or less paste than what was shown in the video? Also, is this with the case side open or closed? 90 degrees is an amazing result!
Nice video, thank you. I've watched several videos covering this issue. Adding thermal paste and replacing fan are key to lower temps. Question - I have an R12 10th Gen i9 Liquid Cooled CPU and RTX 3090 on order. Will this fam work as a replacement the Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM, 4-Pin (120mm)?
dang! im gonna do this right away! im also gonna do the second intake fan. ive already snipped out the metal mesh part where ever air is getting sucked in and out of the case. i even snipped out the metal part on the psu. im not sure if that helped but it made sense to do so.
Thank you for all of your videos, so helpful! A bit of a noob, but need to paste my GPU, read on amazon reviews that this particular paste doesn't last long, some people are saying after a few months the trmps go back high. How is your exprirence now 9 months later? Also what is the paste that ypu would recommend now. I have a very hot 3080 on mt R11, someone recommended to even paste the backplate, any ideas on that. Thanks a lot
Hey. You're welcome. Experience has been the same, no real difference in temperatures. I'd still recommend the paste linked in the video. I wouldn't bother with the backplate, this mod makes this gpu perform the same as most other 3080s or slightly better.
I have a alienware r12 with a 3080 rtx and this actally solved my problem while also using msi afterburner to set a custom fan curve. Problem was over heating and stright black screen with no output to monitor at about 55C from alienware. Now she wont quit until 75 plus
I'm suffering this problem now. Black screen when gaming. Also loose the ability to use my keyboard. Have to hard reset. Only had a it week lol. Think I will just take gpu, cpu, ram and drives out. The rest can go in the bin
@@Mangorille Hey! Well, the trick seems to be working well! No more throttling while mining, despite the 31 degree ambient room temperature! It is just so weird that they put a plastic plate between memory and heatsink. So I've added thermal paste like you said, and added a thin heatsink on the backplate of the GPU (was already there before). Thanks dude, so far so good!
@@camaycama7479 Awesome, I'm fairly sure that black piece is aluminum and not plastic. Pieces of the heatsink actually screw into it and you can see silver metal around the screw holes.
@@Beyonder555 It's weird because I saw another video of someone who did the same but used thermal pads instead of paste and his was in the low 100s. I'm really happy with the mod so far and the performance has not dropped. If the performance starts to degrade I'll try thermal pads.
@Doogie Howser's Ghost M.D. Good to know, thanks. The 3090 has memory chips on the backside of the board as well, did you try changing the thermal pad on those too?
If it ain't broke don't fix it. Also don't listen to all the people thinking 60 degrees is where cpu should be... (and 90 degrees is dangerously hot). These people are from the 1980s overclocking generation.
Great vid. Was getting 104C with no mem overclock at all. Not sure what Dell was thinking here, maybe just not thinking at all. After doing what you showed 88C with +800 memory clock, probably can go a good amount higher still.
Thanks, my VRAM went from 108 to 94 while NiceHash Quickminer on Extreme setting. If I leave the case open, its around 90-92. GPU from 54 down to 50-52
The backplate has a lovely copper heat pipe however there are no thernal pads to take the heat from the back of the pcb to the backplate?! It's hard to work out why they would make a backplate with a heat pipe but no transfer of heat from pcb to backplate. I think there was more opportunity to take more heat out of the card. Cheers
@@Mangorille I found another teardown of this exact card and it had thermal pads between PCB and back plate as standard. Otherwise how does it transfer heat? Other than the screws.
@@Mangorille if you look on TH-cam for the following video: Alienware R11 3080 thermal pads and paste drop VRAM temps 30c. And then skip to 10:20 you will see the backplate and the thermal pads that were already on their from factory. I feel yours was made incorrectly at production. Cheers
What program do you run for the detailed temperature summary? I have an Aurora r10 Ryzen 5800x with 3080ti and am looking to lower temps, hoping this tutorial helps me!
I don't feel safe about that. By applying additional thermal paste around the contactsurface of the core you induce heat all around the core-contact surface that is ment to cool down the core. So you're effectivly reducing the thermal gradiant between the cooler and the core theoraticaly reducing the effectivnes on cooling the core. I struggle to believe, that Nvidia did not think their thermal concept through. Although I can see your temps are in a safe range, is it possible that the GPU-Core temps got a few degrees higher than before by any chance? Would make sense to me.
My understanding is that this is a custom cooler made by Alienware. I didn’t notice any increase in the temperature of the core. Most coolers actually cool both the memory and core at the same time.
@@Mangorille indeed, DELL made their own GPU Cards, they are smaller than the original NVidia GPUs so that they can fit in the R10/11/12. If you try to put an Asus/MSI RTX gpu, well you just can't because they're too big.
Well, I talked with 2 different Dell rep. I asked specifically regarding this VGA modification and they both said, I will lose the warranty since i am dissembling it physically.
@@mistakenotou7681 Im in the US, but the is it worth to order and risk the fight and the hassle with them or not. I assume we will get real answer when someone will literally request support in such a case.
@@w3p4w3t well you can try your luck by ponting that out to the support and being persistent. There is a fraud report on ftc too how effective it is I don't know but that might convince support that you are more trouble than it's worth and replace it . At the end you are right it depends in who is in charge then and the policy at the moment.
Hey. Did they say anything about the warranty being voided in case you damaged it during the process? That is what another support rep said. His message is somewhere in the comments.
@@Mangorille well, the rep was pretty simple, If i take apart, that is void the warranty, so for me it means that if any damage happen it wont be covered
@@Mangorille the V Ram temp was 108-110C and after adding this thermal paste, it appears to have gone down to 100C. I have this sitting in the garage and its around 95C outside. Do you suggest doing anything else (getting a more efficient fan, adding thermal pads, etc.)
@@mango621 That a decent result especially because 110 degree is where the card starts to throttle and slow down. You can change the front air intake fan with the one I linked for a bit more airflow over the card.
@@Mangorille Thanks! I'll plan to order that fan and give it a tri. Do you know if humidity impacts performance? Or is it really just temperature? Sometimes it gets pretty humid in the garage, especially when its raining.
@Mangorille I have an R12. When mining my VRAM is about 92-94 deg C, GPU Temper is around 41C but my hash rate via NiceHash is around 75MH/s. My question is: what's your current hash rate? I'm trying to decide if it's worth opening the computer to make the changes. I've underclocked the 3080 though - Power ~ 58%; Core Clock ~ -300; Memory clock ~ 0; Fan speed ~ 80%, via MSI. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks.
75MH/s is on the slower side for a 3080. Most folks get 90-100. This Dell does 95 right now and more can be squeezed out of it but not worth it for my main gaming rig.
I applied the thermal paste, my hash rate is now 95-100Mh/s, VRAM temperature is 88-90 degrees C and GPU temperature 49/50 degrees C. I used quick silver thermal paste, worked very well.
hi. is it possible to bring it a bit mode down with those extra fans that you attach to the back of the GPU? I've seen like 2 fan thing that you attach to the GPU and it should do decent temp drop too. Also (I know, crazy idea here) -- what if I make some holes in the other side of the case? (the right side if you look at it from front end)...
@@Mangorille cool! Is there a way to change position of the HDD though? I have one...I can saw off a bit of the caddy or something like that and put it to the ssd place (where people install bottom fan)....but I better get another ssd, lol. Thanks for reply!
@@Mangorille you are correct. It was the 3090. Not the 3080. My bad.... I can't keep up with all of these models! But they applied a generous amount of paste on that one
@@lordspam2721 No worries, the 3080 was the same, they applied a lot of thermal paste on the GPU core only but the memory was left to be cooled by just the backplate and not the heatsink. Gamers Nexus had decent thermals with their test but I suspect they would have the same issue if they tried something more memory intensive like crypto mining.
If you remove the HDD and HDD tray from the front (above the original front fan) you can stick another 120mm in there and use a splitter to run the two. I’ve done this using two 120 ml Corsair ml120 pro fans.
@@Mangorille then sell non OEM pads that will help. Also,mining will 1000% make the Temps rise because if the heavy stress and isn’t good for the longevity of the pc . you can install an extra fan on the pc very easily there’s a YT video on it that should help it . ;)
Hello how long is that card? I am looking at buying a 30 eightyou're thinking about buying A3080 but the one I can buy is 285 mm. I have an Alienware Aurora R12.
You're welcome. Don't think the 3060 ti would have the same problem. The 3060/3070 use a different memory chip. Best to check your hash rate and how they compare to What To Mine.
@@mbe102 Considering that availability of cards are better now, especially Ti cards check and see how the availability and pricing is from a reseller that uses more retail-type parts. I haven't priced recently but you most likely can build something with way better parts now, everything seems to be available. My local computer store had 3080 tis in stock for many months. Hate to say it but they're kind of undesirable given the price tag and being within $200 of a 3090.
The Dell 2080 looks like it has a different cooler design. You can still take it apart and change the pads/paste for better performance but wouldn't be exactly the same as the 3080.
That's the big unknown, no one really knows how Dell with react to something like this with your specific warranty claim. There was a comment on another similar video (text below) of someone who asked Dell and they said should not impact your warranty but I wouldn't use that as a 100 percent answer. I would expect Dell's response to depend specifically on the details of your warranty claim. Here's the comment from the other video: Re: Will repasting void my warranty? Thank you for your message. Thermal re-pasting is not a customer replaceable unit, even if you are comfortable doing this by yourself. The act of disassembling, cleaning thermal paste, applying new thermal paste, reassembly in itself does not void the warranty. If you break any components WHILE doing the work, that would void the warranty. Dell-SreejithR Social Media Support #IWork4Dell
I have done it in the past and they did not have an issue - I also replace the PSU with larger ones before I even turn them on for the 1st time - I have had them out on two that I worked on due to defective mobo on one and power switch on R4 the day I got it -
I suspect it will be the same but you may get the new LHR (lite hash rate) skus, which are supposed to have slower mining. Apparently they started coming out in May but no clue if Dell is using these yet.
Unfortunately no but usually the backplate pads are 3mm. You probably want to pick up 2.5 and 3mm and then return the one you don't use once you get it opened up. The backplate pads seemed fine though.
@@Mangorille Yeah that's nuts. I'm on EVGA's waiting list for a normal priced GPU but I bet I'm over half a millionth in line. If they don't message me by 2022 I might get a system bundle lol.
I was in your same position bro, but i decided to buy the alienware because they can give you discount if you chat with them. I got my Ryzen 9 5950X / 32gb memory / RTX 3090 / 1 TB storage / 4 years premium warranty for 4,500 with taxes. Obviously is financing LOL
Would I need thermal paste if my r12 has a 3060ti with a i7 11700k? It’s not the best system out there, so will the temps on it be high as well? Haven’t received it yet though so no firsthand experience.
Hey, I'm thinking about chosing almost the same things. Did you experience any issues with noise or heat? And did you also take the liquid cooling or the other one?
@@TheBluSerpent I took the one without the liquid cooling, as soon as you get better fans the temperature is much better, the cpu gets up to 80 degrees, but with the fan it usually stays at 65-75 ish, hope this helps with your choice :D
@@TheBluSerpent not at all, if you have headphones on you wont notice it at all, but if you were doing very extreme renders or something like that, it would make some noise
@@psycho_jet2293 Correct, replaced that fan with the Noctua and then put that stock fan in the hard drive cage right above. This way I now have two intake fans.
@@Mangorille in my exp. with these things, using very thin thermal pads, 1.5 mm think should provide better thermal transfer and more surface area around in between the ramplate and cooling heatsink.
Seems paste is better than thermal pads. I replace pads with paste on all components now days with great results. Harder when the pads are thick. I thought about using copper shims with the paste in areas of thick padding but did not try it yet.
I have an R11 / 10900k / 64gb ram / 2080Ti - wish I saved the money or bought a custom made, or just stay on the R4 which is now one of my work PCs - does strange stuff at times - goes to test screen graphics while playing mkv movies but not the same move in mp4 - sometimes also does it on you tube like I am pushing more then it can handle - freezes momentary at times - video starts to distort at times - internet keeps freezing on both ATT Uvers and Comcast - I tried to change fans to 3 Noctua NF-A12x25 PWA and bios said no you don't, I will force a 31sec fan test on every startup or reboot unless you put back stock fans - Last night I ordered an Asus mobo and Corsair case, screw the warranty, I will pull mem, cpu, 2080, and power supply and trash the rest - I was moving up from an R4 and currently have 7 working Dells, 4 desktops and 3 notebooks - I have owned over 15 Dells and this R11 will be my last - My wife has the XPS 8900 and the mobo and bios like my R11 will not let you upgrade anything - if my video fails there is nothing I can buy to replace it if out of warranty, Dell refuses to sell you a card without a complete PC - I have been working on PC's since two weeks before Hurricane Andrew when I got my 1st one - this is so intermittent I have not been able to find the cause (I think it is Heat ) but no errors record at all so I have nothing to report to Dell to get it fixed and had it to long to be replaced - I have replaced the heat compound with no joy -
@@Mangorille Yes I tried both - I pulled what little I could and built a new much better PC - the R11 case, mobo and remains went into recycle been along wit the remaining 6 month useless warranty - new PC runs great - also I found two bent CPU pins on the Dell mobo that I did not do - I will never buy another Dell again after over 10 in last 15 or so years -
Hey Mango, i order the r12, and i bu Thermal Paste and The Fan ml120 pro. Im Not Mining, But plaYing Games. You think the Paste and the Fan is useful and much better as the Sticker ? And whats about CPU, do i Need there also Thermal Paste or its okay there?
Hey. Best thing to do is look at the temperatures when playing the games you normally play and see if they are within reason. Would be a good idea to at least install that extra fan as an intake fan. The Alienware only has one intake fan at the front.
@@Mangorille Yea, in Want the Front Fan change against a12x25 pwn, and make the h2 Thermal Paste on the graphic Chip. That Should make it much better correct? Cause the fan of r12 is Not so Good i Heard-. And at the Chip are 2 Stickers Instead of Paste
@@Jiji67298 Yours has the 3080 right? Definitely get the extra intake fan inside the case that will help a lot. It will take the spot of the 3.5 mechanical hard drive though. Does your config have a mechanical hard drive?
@@Jiji67298 I saw a sizeable temperature difference by removing the stickers, it went from hitting 110 and thermal throttling to staying around 94ish and not thermal throttling.
Anyone know a good detailed video of installation of a second intake fan? Replacing the existing fan is easy but I need links for an adaptor cord and instruction bc this case is so tight. And how would you even mount a second fan? Can I just use zip ties or double sided tape? Help pls lol
I don't know of another video but I removed the hard drive cage that is in the front of the case and zip tied a 120mm fan in that area. The fan still flops around a bit but didn't notice any rattles or issues. I connected the second fan to the PWM fan header at the top of the board close to the memory slots. Been working fine the last month or so. Used this fan: amzn.to/3vhvFjz
I am not familiar with the cooler design on the 6800 xt to see if it suffers from the same issue. The 6800 xt also looks to use different memory chips so might not have the same heat issue there.
"Might be ugly compared to ASUS but works perfectly fine" hmmm... Isn't this video about how the card is overheating and was necessary to modify it so it doesn't throttle? That doesn't sound like it works perfectly fine.
It works better instead of using paste to use two thermal pads. Just cut to size 0.5mm pads where you put paste and then use 1mm pads for the inner area. This is a good fix, but for people mining long term not a good long term solution.
Hey. Curious why you think this is not a good long term fix. Been using it now for 5 months of mining straight and still going strong (this card actually became my full time ETH mining card). Recently tried switching over to 0.5mm thermal pads and the results weren't as good (video coming out in two weeks on that).
I too did paste. The reason why its not as optimal is because when change time comes I have to clean it all up and also it will likely get worse before pads. Then again it depends on the paste you use too so technically I wasn’t fully truthful. I just assume most people dont buy the good stuff that last a long time. Also I too have gpus with paste but ai know I have to watch temps because anything can happen with them. Once a variation largr enough occurs, then I know it is no linger effective and must be changed.
Also, my paste and pad one yield maybe a 2 degree difference in temps. If you are getting much different its possible something went wrong on the install.
For everyone asking about the warranty, you can guarantee that Dell will void your warranty if they find out about this mod. Although its a simple, and easy user serviceable mod (and should be done), it will void the warranty. Even if this was a homebuilt PC, if you did this to a graphics card, the manufacturer of that card would for sure void the warranty.
Unfortunately don't think it's that simple of an answer but it does add an unknown that Dell could use to deny your claim. FYI - I saw another video where someone in the comments actually reached out to Dell Support and here is their response (I don't take any credit for this): Re: Will repasting void my warranty? Thank you for your message. Thermal re-pasting is not a customer replaceable unit, even if you are comfortable doing this by yourself. The act of disassembling, cleaning thermal paste, applying new thermal paste, reassembly in itself does not void the warranty. If you break any components WHILE doing the work, that would void the warranty. Dell-SreejithR Social Media Support #IWork4Dell
@@Mangorille 15/06, one and a half month there is a promo going on so get 10% off, its end with this month. I would like to get a Lenovo tower i7, but they are giving 2000 series cards at the same price.
I've read that the Dell cards are made by MSI but with a Dell firmware but I'll let other chime in. You can find some information here: www.dell.com/community/Alienware-Desktops/Aurora-R11-how-can-I-purchase-the-Dell-OEM-RTX-3080/td-p/7756158
@@mbe102 I thought the same thing myself initially but I wouldn't bother, especially when you need a shorter cooler because of the Alienware case. With this mod, I find that the Dell 3080 is performing within a degree or two of my Zotac 3080.
People have to be really crazy if they follow this video with this risky move. Someone who think a little won't do this to lose the guarante of the computer...
Screw the guarantee on this POS - I am changing case and mobo on mine (6 months old) so I can have a working PC that I can upgrade whatever I want on it - so far the bios has stopped me from everything and the case is way to small -
@@Mangorille so I have an R12 3090 and have throttling issues. Can’t go higher than 107 MH/S when mining with VRAM junction temps hitting 112C. So I just removed the side panel and this one move allowed me to increase my Memory OC to achieve 121 MH/s! VRAM ranges between 108-110 but main GPU & hotspot temps are significantly lower (from 56C down to 49C). Once I do the paste mod, I’ll post results in the comments here.
I have not seen any published torque specs. Use a small screw driver like in the picture and you should be okay. Just make them tight but don't go gorilla on them.
Is this issue specific to the R10? I've messaged many R12 owners and they say there are no heating issues with it whatsoever. It's kind of misleading putting R11 and R12 in the title when the heating issue is with an older model.
This issue is specific to any Alienware with the RTX 3080 and 3090. Both the R10 and R12 are the current versions of the Alienware, the R10 is the 3rd generation Ryzen version whereas the R12 is the 11th generation Intel version. The people you messaged, did you ask them specifically about the GPU memory temperature?
@@Mangorille Yes and some even made videos showing low cpu and GPU temps under load. They all said their R12 had no heating issues. The only issue I've ever seen with it was someone complaining the fan was too loud so they replaced the fan. I have headphones so fan noise won't be a problem. I was thinking of picking up an R12 soon but won't if it has heating issues. Heat issues are exactly what I'm trying to get away from by getting a gaming PC to replace my aging gaming laptop.
@@Mangorille th-cam.com/video/kGYJUZYACTk/w-d-xo.html this is a recent vid from someone with an R12 showing how it has no heating issues on gpu or cpu even on ultra with a new title. I believe they have a 3070. I'm going to be reaching out to Dell as well soon about this issue so I can make a good choice for my next rig.
@@bladeandcloak666 The 3070 uses a different memory chip so would not be impacted. LinusTechTips made a video about the heat issues as well, it's a general problem with the nVidia 3080 and 3090 but the custom cooler design of the Alienware seems to make it worse based on my experience and some other videos on TH-cam.
@@Mangorille From what I have seen- the memory junction temps for 3080s and 3090s are high regardless of the card manufacturer- I don’t believe it’s solely an Alienware issue. The GPU on these cards stays cool but most cards don’t do an adequate job cooling the memory, which for the most part, is only an issue with mining as opposed to regular gaming.
Dell these days is quite unlike the Dell in the yesteryears. They have come up with a system called Support Assist that is a disguised planned obsolescence system. Think of it as a Trojan horse. It is introduced to keep your systems updated and working till the warranty period, and swiftly after the warranty expiry keeps introducing updates that lead to one or the other software malfunction. The warranty then offered for a year or two is close to the price of a new laptop; just slightly lesser perhaps. So, my two cents is to ignore the fancy lighting, packaging and other fancy stuff and go for a brand that provides you the not so fancy but a reliable and lasting product. I bought an Aurora last year and it is close to garbage. All the best folks!!
I suspect they sold a whole bunch of these during the GPU crunch. I formatted mine and reinstalled windows from scratch to get rid of all that bloatware.
Sounds like you didn't have this problem to begin with then. 94-100 is actually the temperature that these cards run at. It sounds too hot but all the cooler designs (outside of water cooling) experience these sorts of temperatures.
The case isn't helping the situation but it is actually a GPU design issue. Even running the GPU with the case open and an additional fan right in front has the same issue.
the case itself is clearly a pile of shit.... i am on my 2nd replacement and having issues again... the heat will gradually ruin hardware, so make sure you keep your warranty up or just simply gut this junk build and buy a new case and mobo and build your own from the salvaged parts... dell knows they have a terrible heat issue with this unit and never corrected it, anyone with this particularly designed case is doomed to have issues
Hey. Which part failed for you and did you have the liquid cooled or air cooled version? The liquid cooled version has extra heat sinks on the motherboard to help with cooling.
@@Mangorille I have the liquid cooled and have had 2 mobo's replace possibly will have a 3rd if i continue to use the case also have had a nvme ssd fail from heat as well... however the tech that dropped by to service my warranty told me that everyone he knows that has this particular case leaves the whole side of the case open and that stupid power supply on a pivot open so it can draw air better....... happen to notice the back of the case there is only one little tiny vent for anything to get out other than the top of the case? He said that this case is the one he has to service more than any due to heat issues and dell knew it was a problem..... it was basically a pile of garbage they wanted out of the warehouse so they slapped a alienware in it and sold it as such when in fact it was garbage and like i said they knew it.
@@ConspiracyBytes Thanks for the details. Did you add any additional fans inside the case? I added an extra intake in the front. Agree the case and airflow sucks.
It is not an Alienware PC, it is a proprietary DELL lookalike. Garbage thru and thru.. no ability to swap out parts. So the ONLY thing it is good for it the video card contained in it.
Really just for the video card, you can’t get these video cards without paying crazy scalper prices. First prebuilt I’ve bought in like 20 years. Haha.
@@MrMasterJones I've been waiting even longer than that and finally decided to just purchase this Alienware. A month later it was at my door and gaming/mining away. Happy I did that especially with the price increases and all the talk of the LHR cards coming out now.
Although not 3D printing or drone related, from time to time we do post videos on other topics such as gaming and VR. We made this video in the hopes that it helps other Alienware owners out there. You do need to take the computer apart so attempt at your own risk! Would love to hear from other Alienware owners, do/did you have this issue as well?
Just got the Aurora R12 but it came with air cooling all the way around and now I’m afraid to even turn it on due to these temp vids. I’m considering returning it and going elsewhere. Any thoughts or comments? Ps It was intended for hard core gaming.and 3070 card
@@ezdunit7910 Which CPU did you get with it? Considering how tough these cards are to get, wouldn't suggest you return. You can always add an extra fan at the front and get the stock Alienware CPU watercooling, then call it a day.
@@Mangorille got the intel i7 11700f with a 3070 graphics card. Idk what to do. I’m not computer friendly at all lol. I’ve checkEd out clx pre builds it looks like they have those parts for about 3 thousand. I’ll be at 26ish on this one if I keep it before the upgrades.
@@ezdunit7910 Have you tried yours out yet to see how the temps are with your use?
@@Mangorille imma do that this eve when I get off work. I’ll let ya know as soon as I do.
Just picked up one of these 3080s on eBay, card was getting to 105 degrees on memory. Took 10 minutes to reapply thermal paste and it kept gpu temp the same while dropping memory temps down to about 92 degrees. Thanks for the video!!
Awesome, glad the video helped!
It's best practice to (practice) with two glass plates about the same size as the GPU chip. You'll find that a large oblong dab of paste in the center will spread more evenly and limit hot spots.
Good suggestion, thanks! I think no matter what you do, it will be better than the application Dell did. It was a disaster, took a good 15 minutes with paper towels and qtips to clean theirs up.
Excellent video with close up views and details. Thank you for posting this. I’ve been looking for exactly this, and YT eventually recommended it for me. I’ve been relying on Gamer Heaven who has a decent video but with details cut out & bad camera angles.
Thanks for the comment, glad you found it useful
You should send this clip to Dell support team so that they can pass on to their people to improve the products.
Thanks! I suspect they just tested with a few games and said it's good to go. ;)
I needed to say thanks a lot. What a difference. Before I only was at 80mh/ fan speed 90% at low mining in nicehash and was still getting memory temp around 102c and 104c. Now mining at medium in nicehash, fans at 75% temps stable at 90c and making 99mh/s sometimes 100mh/s. By the way always with side panel open on my pc. Thanks again
Our pleasure, glad it worked out well for you. Happy mining!
i got watched many video to explanation about this ,But you are the one that more clears and details explanation!
I am a zero knowledge game player,you make like pro guy now! Well done!!!
Thanks, glad it helped!
I’m getting mine on the 6th. The very first thing im doing is upgrading my fans & adding one. I think I might give this a try as well. Great vid
Adding a fan is a really good idea! See if yours suffers from this issue first before attempting, I suspect it will but might as well check before you go through the trouble.
r10 3090 amazing difference. The gpu fan now actually cools the vram. The temperature of the vram drops very quickly when the gpu fans ramp up. amazing! thank you so much!
Glad to hear it worked well for you. What were your temps before and after?
@@Mangorille was hitting 110 VRAM temp and getting throttled now sitting at 94 to 96
@@bendixon2870 Sounds like exactly my experience with the Dell 3080. It was jumping to 110 very quickly and then thermal throttling. After this mod, it now sits at 96 to 98. Your temperatures for a 3090 are decent good. I get 98-102 on a untouched factory EVGA 3090.
I just wanted to say I was very frustrated with my temperature problem after getting my brand new Alienware. I lost all hope until I find this video, and I found the courage to try replacing thermal paste, because you explain it so nicely!
I tried it today and it worked like a charm. My temperature with nicehash mining @90 MH/s was 110 degree (so I had to run it very low power settings to avoid this). After replacing the paste, I can get 120 MH/s at 94 degree. Thank you so much!!!!
Hey, thanks for posting your results. I went through exactly the same disappointment when I first got the Alienware. Glad that it helped you out.
BUY A NEW AIO CPU WATER COOLING
@@abbadox315 what does the CPU AIO have to do with GPU Mining Temps?
@@marcpaed9574 oh i meant to say GPU water cooling
Thank you very much for the detailed and easy to follow video. The VRAM on my RTX 3090 went from 108 C to 94 C while mining.
Thanks for sharing, that's a good drop!
What hashrate were you getting and what were your settings? I have the same 3090 and after doing this mod plus replacing both fans with noctua, my vram temps are down to 100c and gpu fan 1/2 speeds are still at about 3000 rpm while at a hashrate of 102MH/s. The fans are quite loud and i would love to see temps of under 95c.
@@SamAgro2024 102MH is on the low side for a 3090. You should be able to get it closer to 114 with a VRAM temperature of 100 degrees. Starting point is -500 core, +850 memory, and 70% power limit. I haven't been able to get 95c VRAM even on a EVGA 3090 FTW3.
Did that mod. Worked as great as advertised.
I honestly do not understand how paste over the black plastic part of the card when reassembling the two peices can help.... but... It did ....
Thanks for sharing your experience. My thought is that the memory chips are currently cooled by that black plate (which I suspect is aluminum) and that black plate is cooled by the downdraft from the fans. By adding the thermal paste, we are allowing the heat from the black plate to transfer to the main silver heat sink and be better dissipated. Theoretically you should see a slight increase in GPU core temperatures but using the better thermal paste actually gives you a cooler GPU core too.
I did this mod on my R11 with RTX3080. Fans are quieter, but my GPU temp did not go down. It is running at 70C before and after.
Another hack I completed was adding two 80mm exhaust fans to the side. I removed the plastic side and mounted the small fans to the metal grate, on the inside of the case. I had to hack the PSU bracket for the rear fan to fit. I got a 1to3 fan adapter. I also fit a piece of cardboard to the lower/front half of the GPU to prevent cool air from going directly out the exhaust fan. Cool air from the front fan is blowing to the GPU fans and the hot air comes out the side. No, the cardboard does not cover the fins.
Hey. This mod is more focused on reducing the memory junction temperature of the 3080/3090. The core temperature may slightly improve depending on what thermal paste you used. The fans are most likely quieter because the memory junction temperature has dropped and the GPU is no longer going crazy to cool down the memory chips with the fans. Did you check the memory temperature before and after?
@@Mangorille I got that. I didn't care about the junction temperature, just overall GPU temperatures. Your video shows this mod works to reduce temperatures for junction but thermal paste is designed for metal to metal conduction of heat. How it works with plastic (or whatever poly carbonate or ???) baffles me.
@@UberGeek Not sure what material that black piece is but it is already being used as a cooler for the memory chips. There are thermal pads connecting the memory chips to this piece.
This is the funniest video I’ve seen in a long time great job 👏
Thanks! :)
98c is pretty high for memory. Does the thermal paste make good contact? Usually see thermal pads in those areas.
98c is about where you see the memory on most stock 30 series cards that have the GDDR5X memory and are performing "normally" during mining. On the Dell, the thermal pads are under the black piece but the big issue with the card is that there is no heat transfer from the black piece that the memory chips are connected to and the main heatsink that the fans cool. You may be able to get a bit better performance if you change the thermal pads as well.
@@Mangorille its normal, but far from good.
most people do copper shim mods on their rtx cards to lower temperatures to 70 - 80 degrees.
best case simply watercool the card.
DO NOT BUY THIS CASE/PC!
Have bought the r11 (i9/RTX 3080) before 6 months. It was loud and had a really bad thermal performance (awful original fans). I changed the fans to Corsair ML PRO 120 > Two for the watercooling (push/pull) and one front intake. Immediately better thermal performance and less noise. BUT the case was vibrating which led to more annoying noise. Removed the top panel of the case and it was better. Then the left side panel was making noise. Added one more front intake fan ML PRO 120. Little bit better performance but still noise. Added foam sellotape wherever possible (between case and panels). No success! So regardless what I was trying to tweak nothing was doing the job.
SOLUTION: Bought the BeQuiet Silent Base 802 with a Noctua NH-D15 and now it is just a dream. I have to check the lights to make sure the PC is up and running. No noise.. great thermal performance which leads to a happy user!
hey bro, how’s ya pc??
@@DavidGonzalez-mh8pf still fantastic 👍
Did the same but was able to get Vram temps down to 90C, while mining at a steady 101Mh/s, using the JP-Dx1 Nanodiamond CPU Thermal Paste It's not as well known as Noctua, but imo it's better. It's got the highest thermal Thermal Conductivity of any paste on the market at 16 W/mK
Thanks for the feedback. Did you use more or less paste than what was shown in the video? Also, is this with the case side open or closed? 90 degrees is an amazing result!
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Thank you!
Nice video, thank you. I've watched several videos covering this issue. Adding thermal paste and replacing fan are key to lower temps. Question - I have an R12 10th Gen i9 Liquid Cooled CPU and RTX 3090 on order. Will this fam work as a replacement the Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM, 4-Pin (120mm)?
You’re welcome. Are you looking to change the fan on the radiator or the front intake fans?
@@Mangorille front intake
Or add a second fan for push/pull
Yes that will work for the front intake. I got a Noctua NF-P12 1700 rpm PWM for the front intake and it moves a lot more air than the stock fan.
@@Mangorille thank you
dang! im gonna do this right away! im also gonna do the second intake fan. ive already snipped out the metal mesh part where ever air is getting sucked in and out of the case. i even snipped out the metal part on the psu. im not sure if that helped but it made sense to do so.
Good luck with the mod. I did the second fan without modifying the sheet metal.
Thank you for all of your videos, so helpful! A bit of a noob, but need to paste my GPU, read on amazon reviews that this particular paste doesn't last long, some people are saying after a few months the trmps go back high. How is your exprirence now 9 months later? Also what is the paste that ypu would recommend now. I have a very hot 3080 on mt R11, someone recommended to even paste the backplate, any ideas on that. Thanks a lot
Hey. You're welcome. Experience has been the same, no real difference in temperatures. I'd still recommend the paste linked in the video. I wouldn't bother with the backplate, this mod makes this gpu perform the same as most other 3080s or slightly better.
What an amazing video. Thank you so much for helping us !!!!
Our pleasure! Glad you found it helpful!
I have a alienware r12 with a 3080 rtx and this actally solved my problem while also using msi afterburner to set a custom fan curve. Problem was over heating and stright black screen with no output to monitor at about 55C from alienware. Now she wont quit until 75 plus
Awesome glad it helped you and thanks for sharing!
I'm suffering this problem now. Black screen when gaming. Also loose the ability to use my keyboard. Have to hard reset. Only had a it week lol. Think I will just take gpu, cpu, ram and drives out. The rest can go in the bin
Great Video! just wondering if it will void the warranty. Thanks
Thanks! Really depends on the rep you get, some will say it does and some will say that simply changing the thermal paste will not.
Thank you, have the sme model with same issue. Good trick!
No problem. What were your before and after temps?
@@Mangorille didnt try yet, probably this weekend. Ill let you know the improvement!
@@camaycama7479 Let us know and good luck!
@@Mangorille Hey! Well, the trick seems to be working well! No more throttling while mining, despite the 31 degree ambient room temperature!
It is just so weird that they put a plastic plate between memory and heatsink. So I've added thermal paste like you said, and added a thin heatsink on the backplate of the GPU (was already there before).
Thanks dude, so far so good!
@@camaycama7479 Awesome, I'm fairly sure that black piece is aluminum and not plastic. Pieces of the heatsink actually screw into it and you can see silver metal around the screw holes.
Great "How-To" video. Thanks!
Man how did I you get all the factory thermal paste off your gpu you did a good job
Used some 99 percent alcohol with paper towels and qtips. Took about 10 minutes.
Congrats and Thank you for sharing the amazing results ! I was also wondering if it is worthwhile to replace the thermal pad for the memory chips ?
You're welcome. Don't think that would be worth the trouble, I doubt you would get more than a couple degrees but I haven't tried.
@@Mangorille If you look at all the reviews on Amazon, lots people are getting 20+ degree drops from installing thermal pads.
@@Beyonder555 It's weird because I saw another video of someone who did the same but used thermal pads instead of paste and his was in the low 100s. I'm really happy with the mod so far and the performance has not dropped. If the performance starts to degrade I'll try thermal pads.
@Doogie Howser's Ghost M.D. Good to know, thanks. The 3090 has memory chips on the backside of the board as well, did you try changing the thermal pad on those too?
If it ain't broke don't fix it. Also don't listen to all the people thinking 60 degrees is where cpu should be... (and 90 degrees is dangerously hot). These people are from the 1980s overclocking generation.
Last question, Its better to remove the old Paste and put complete new past over there?
Yes, best is to replace the paste rather than mix different ones. That’s what we did.
Great vid. Was getting 104C with no mem overclock at all. Not sure what Dell was thinking here, maybe just not thinking at all. After doing what you showed 88C with +800 memory clock, probably can go a good amount higher still.
Great results, thanks for sharing!
Took off my backplate and some of the thermal pads on it was like stuck on the chip so. Is this a problem?
Thanks, my VRAM went from 108 to 94 while NiceHash Quickminer on Extreme setting. If I leave the case open, its around 90-92. GPU from 54 down to 50-52
Excellent, glad it worked out for you. Happy mining!
How is that paste so different?? I've got nt-h1 paste from memex and texture is more thick and darker? are you sure that's nt-h1?
For sure, it came from a brand new package from the official Noctua store on Amazon and opened for this video.
The backplate has a lovely copper heat pipe however there are no thernal pads to take the heat from the back of the pcb to the backplate?! It's hard to work out why they would make a backplate with a heat pipe but no transfer of heat from pcb to backplate. I think there was more opportunity to take more heat out of the card. Cheers
It looks like it's just used to cool the back of the memory chips and then carry the heat to the other side of the pipe.
@@Mangorille I found another teardown of this exact card and it had thermal pads between PCB and back plate as standard. Otherwise how does it transfer heat? Other than the screws.
@@Mangorille if you look on TH-cam for the following video: Alienware R11 3080 thermal pads and paste drop VRAM temps 30c. And then skip to 10:20 you will see the backplate and the thermal pads that were already on their from factory. I feel yours was made incorrectly at production. Cheers
You should have mounted a fan to blow across the gpu . Would have made 1000% difference.
I did add a fan in front of the case, helped just a little bit.
What program do you run for the detailed temperature summary? I have an Aurora r10 Ryzen 5800x with 3080ti and am looking to lower temps, hoping this tutorial helps me!
You can use HWInfo64 to get the VRAM temperature reading. Does the cooler on your 3080ti look the same as the one in the video?
You have literally saved me $1800 my friend. I thought I had a bad graphics card
Thanks for sharing, I had the same feeling the first time I used the Alienware. :)
@@Mangorille Sadly it still keeps crashing here and then. Maybe more thermal paste?
@@TheQureshy Crashing under what workload? Did you overlock it? How are the temperatures?
@@Mangorille I didn’t but I bought it used so can’t say. It starts crashes reaching 80c
GPU is probably done
I don't feel safe about that. By applying additional thermal paste around the contactsurface of the core you induce heat all around the core-contact surface that is ment to cool down the core. So you're effectivly reducing the thermal gradiant between the cooler and the core theoraticaly reducing the effectivnes on cooling the core. I struggle to believe, that Nvidia did not think their thermal concept through. Although I can see your temps are in a safe range, is it possible that the GPU-Core temps got a few degrees higher than before by any chance? Would make sense to me.
My understanding is that this is a custom cooler made by Alienware. I didn’t notice any increase in the temperature of the core. Most coolers actually cool both the memory and core at the same time.
@@Mangorille indeed, DELL made their own GPU Cards, they are smaller than the original NVidia GPUs so that they can fit in the R10/11/12. If you try to put an Asus/MSI RTX gpu, well you just can't because they're too big.
@@LosSebosFR That's correct, you'll need to find a dual fan card for this chassis. I've put a regular 3060 ti in there before.
Well, I talked with 2 different Dell rep. I asked specifically regarding this VGA modification and they both said, I will lose the warranty since i am dissembling it physically.
If you are in US that is illegal to void the warranty that way .
@@mistakenotou7681 Im in the US, but the is it worth to order and risk the fight and the hassle with them or not. I assume we will get real answer when someone will literally request support in such a case.
@@w3p4w3t well you can try your luck by ponting that out to the support and being persistent. There is a fraud report on ftc too how effective it is I don't know but that might convince support that you are more trouble than it's worth and replace it . At the end you are right it depends in who is in charge then and the policy at the moment.
Hey. Did they say anything about the warranty being voided in case you damaged it during the process? That is what another support rep said. His message is somewhere in the comments.
@@Mangorille well, the rep was pretty simple, If i take apart, that is void the warranty, so for me it means that if any damage happen it wont be covered
This video is useful for me, Thank you!
Awesome glad to hear that! Happy mining/gaming!
Thank you so much, this was extremely helpful!
You're welcome! How much of a temperature drop did you see?
@@Mangorille the V Ram temp was 108-110C and after adding this thermal paste, it appears to have gone down to 100C. I have this sitting in the garage and its around 95C outside. Do you suggest doing anything else (getting a more efficient fan, adding thermal pads, etc.)
@@mango621 That a decent result especially because 110 degree is where the card starts to throttle and slow down. You can change the front air intake fan with the one I linked for a bit more airflow over the card.
@@Mangorille Thanks! I'll plan to order that fan and give it a tri. Do you know if humidity impacts performance? Or is it really just temperature? Sometimes it gets pretty humid in the garage, especially when its raining.
@@mango621 Good luck, hope it helps! I think it's more temperature than humidity but not really sure.
@Mangorille I have an R12. When mining my VRAM is about 92-94 deg C, GPU Temper is around 41C but my hash rate via NiceHash is around 75MH/s. My question is: what's your current hash rate? I'm trying to decide if it's worth opening the computer to make the changes. I've underclocked the 3080 though - Power ~ 58%; Core Clock ~ -300; Memory clock ~ 0; Fan speed ~ 80%, via MSI. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks.
75MH/s is on the slower side for a 3080. Most folks get 90-100. This Dell does 95 right now and more can be squeezed out of it but not worth it for my main gaming rig.
@@Mangorille ok so I’m definitely gonna have to pop out this GPU and cool it down.
@Doug L vram temp is between 90-94.
@@imarri01 Good luck. You'll also need to add some clocks to your memory to raise the hash rate.
I applied the thermal paste, my hash rate is now 95-100Mh/s, VRAM temperature is 88-90 degrees C and GPU temperature 49/50 degrees C. I used quick silver thermal paste, worked very well.
what happened with one of the corners of the GPU (left bottom side outer area), it seems dark, something burned?
Which time stamp in the video are you referring to?
@@Mangorille 7:12 center bottom
@@prajal161 On the heatsink itself? That part of the heatsink isn't flat so you are seeing shadows/reflections.
hi. is it possible to bring it a bit mode down with those extra fans that you attach to the back of the GPU? I've seen like 2 fan thing that you attach to the GPU and it should do decent temp drop too. Also (I know, crazy idea here) -- what if I make some holes in the other side of the case? (the right side if you look at it from front end)...
Best would be to upgrade the fan at the front of the case and add one more at the front.
@@Mangorille cool! Is there a way to change position of the HDD though? I have one...I can saw off a bit of the caddy or something like that and put it to the ssd place (where people install bottom fan)....but I better get another ssd, lol. Thanks for reply!
@@Treychik No problem, mine didn't come with a mechanical hdd and I was able to put a fan in that upper slot at the front.
Per a recent teardown video someone did, Dell looks to be doing this now with more paste
Is this the video that Gamers Nexus did on the 3090?
@@Mangorille you are correct. It was the 3090. Not the 3080. My bad.... I can't keep up with all of these models! But they applied a generous amount of paste on that one
@@lordspam2721 No worries, the 3080 was the same, they applied a lot of thermal paste on the GPU core only but the memory was left to be cooled by just the backplate and not the heatsink. Gamers Nexus had decent thermals with their test but I suspect they would have the same issue if they tried something more memory intensive like crypto mining.
Can liquid metal paste be applied on the areas you showed? provided the heat sink isnt aluminium obviously
I personally wouldn't risk it, especially considering the large-ish gap in that area.
Thank you very much! Anything about fan replacement?
Thankfully not yet, fans been working okay. Did yours stop working?
If you remove the HDD and HDD tray from the front (above the original front fan) you can stick another 120mm in there and use a splitter to run the two. I’ve done this using two 120 ml Corsair ml120 pro fans.
Put some thermalpads between backplate and memory chips, this will help you lower memory junction temperatures by 10 to 20 degrees.
Hey. It comes with thermal pads on the backplate already contacting the back of the memory chips.
@@Mangorille then sell non OEM pads that will help. Also,mining will 1000% make the Temps rise because if the heavy stress and isn’t good for the longevity of the pc . you can install an extra fan on the pc very easily there’s a YT video on it that should help it . ;)
@@ytho6225 whats the vid? link?
@@Sma11time. I don’t have the link but the guys TH-cam is gamers heaven
Hello how long is that card? I am looking at buying a 30 eightyou're thinking about buying A3080 but the one I can buy is 285 mm. I have an Alienware Aurora R12.
The OEM 3080 from Dell is 11 inches or 274.5mm.
Thanks for your video. Wondering if this issue also happens to R10 with RTX 3060 ti? What software do you use to diagnose those temp?
You're welcome. Don't think the 3060 ti would have the same problem. The 3060/3070 use a different memory chip. Best to check your hash rate and how they compare to What To Mine.
The stickers are thermal conductive pads
LOL good one!
I don't think that I am brave enough to be taking my GPU apart. Especially since they are harder to find than a white buffalo right now.
I hear you, definitely nerve raking doing this for the first time but if your card is thermal throttling then you already have no choice but to do it.
Hi, what about using thermal pads instead of thermal paste on both areas surrounding the chip and corresponding to the chip itself?
Thermal pads won't be as effective. I have a video coming out on this in about two week's time. Already recorded and just in editing right now.
@@Mangorille I'd really like to see that. I'm about to cancel my $3700 3080 ti / 5800X build after seeing this. This is such garbage design.
@@mbe102 Considering that availability of cards are better now, especially Ti cards check and see how the availability and pricing is from a reseller that uses more retail-type parts. I haven't priced recently but you most likely can build something with way better parts now, everything seems to be available. My local computer store had 3080 tis in stock for many months. Hate to say it but they're kind of undesirable given the price tag and being within $200 of a 3090.
Im doing this with an R9 and a 2080super will it still work
The Dell 2080 looks like it has a different cooler design. You can still take it apart and change the pads/paste for better performance but wouldn't be exactly the same as the 3080.
great video thanks man!
Glad you liked it!
after adding paste, will still under the DELL warranty ?
That's the big unknown, no one really knows how Dell with react to something like this with your specific warranty claim. There was a comment on another similar video (text below) of someone who asked Dell and they said should not impact your warranty but I wouldn't use that as a 100 percent answer. I would expect Dell's response to depend specifically on the details of your warranty claim.
Here's the comment from the other video:
Re: Will repasting void my warranty?
Thank you for your message. Thermal re-pasting is not a customer replaceable unit, even if you are comfortable doing this by yourself.
The act of disassembling, cleaning thermal paste, applying new thermal paste, reassembly in itself does not void the warranty.
If you break any components WHILE doing the work, that would void the warranty.
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I have done it in the past and they did not have an issue - I also replace the PSU with larger ones before I even turn them on for the 1st time - I have had them out on two that I worked on due to defective mobo on one and power switch on R4 the day I got it -
@@artbobik3516 Great, thanks for letting us know!
They'll never know there's a warranty sticker that gets ripped if you open the plate up
Mangorille did you change the pads too?
No, I heard it doesn’t make much of a difference.
Great share brother! Thx!
Thanks Buddy!
I am not getting mine in until August. Will they have changed it or will it be the same?
I suspect it will be the same but you may get the new LHR (lite hash rate) skus, which are supposed to have slower mining. Apparently they started coming out in May but no clue if Dell is using these yet.
any idea of how thick those backplate pads are? thank you
Unfortunately no but usually the backplate pads are 3mm. You probably want to pick up 2.5 and 3mm and then return the one you don't use once you get it opened up. The backplate pads seemed fine though.
I just wish I could upgrade my GPU to a 3080 without paying an absurd price. I bet it will be two more years till prices go back to normal.
The whole GPU market has gone crazy recently. You can get this whole Alienware computer for the same price as a single RTX 3080 off Kijiji!
@@Mangorille Yeah that's nuts. I'm on EVGA's waiting list for a normal priced GPU but I bet I'm over half a millionth in line. If they don't message me by 2022 I might get a system bundle lol.
Haha I added my name to that list back in June, still no email. Looks like the only way to get these now is to line up at a micro center.
@@Mangorille Lol well if I see you make a video about getting an EVGA card I will know the lines moving at least 😄
I was in your same position bro, but i decided to buy the alienware because they can give you discount if you chat with them. I got my Ryzen 9 5950X / 32gb memory / RTX 3090 / 1 TB storage / 4 years premium warranty for 4,500 with taxes. Obviously is financing LOL
Would I need thermal paste if my r12 has a 3060ti with a i7 11700k? It’s not the best system out there, so will the temps on it be high as well? Haven’t received it yet though so no firsthand experience.
@@clazie probably would but i've learnt to play games with lower graphics settings, the temps aren't nearly as bad as 90-100 degrees now.
Hey, I'm thinking about chosing almost the same things.
Did you experience any issues with noise or heat?
And did you also take the liquid cooling or the other one?
@@TheBluSerpent I took the one without the liquid cooling, as soon as you get better fans the temperature is much better, the cpu gets up to 80 degrees, but with the fan it usually stays at 65-75 ish, hope this helps with your choice :D
@@fraefrae7949 Ah, so you upgraded the fans too haha. Seems like that is a must do task.
How about the noise? Is it making a lot of noise?
@@TheBluSerpent not at all, if you have headphones on you wont notice it at all, but if you were doing very extreme renders or something like that, it would make some noise
Where is the noctua fan you suggested in the description?
Installed it in the front of the case for extra intake. Wasn’t shown in the video though.
Can you show it in some ways? Or no?
Shoot me a quick email and I’ll send you some pictures next time I have the case opened up.
@@Mangorille oohhhh You replaced the front intake the one under the hdd spot to replace the cheap ass base fan right?
@@psycho_jet2293 Correct, replaced that fan with the Noctua and then put that stock fan in the hard drive cage right above. This way I now have two intake fans.
omg, do not use thermal paste on these areas, buy thermal pads instead. less messy and better surfact contact.
Hey. Did you try thermal pads here instead? Curious what your results are and what thickness you used.
@@Mangorille in my exp. with these things, using very thin thermal pads, 1.5 mm think should provide better thermal transfer and more surface area around in between the ramplate and cooling heatsink.
@@ziggytubey its not going to work. it will increase gap between the main chip, other TH-camr has tried that.
@@ziggytubey I saw another video just now of someone who tried this with thermal pads and saw his VRAM temperatures at 104 degrees C.
Thermal pads are the only way, you'll just need to ensure you purchase 1mm
I was wondering. Could this R10 alienware casing fits the normal GPU from msi or asus?
the length of asus rtx3080 (3fan) is 30cm.
Hey. I doubt it but I'll measure in a couple of hours and let you know.
Confirmed it would not fit, there is only about 27.3cm of space before you hit the front intake fan.
Alienware desktop looks so great. So sad it's not gpu upgradable in future.
and that was a fast reply. Thx.
Nice video btw. Keep it up.
@@m3ow85 Thanks bud. You can always look for one of the dual fan models, those should fit fine without removing the front intake fan.
I don't get it, you're cooling the plastic?? Doesn't seem right does it
I believe it's a piece of aluminum that you're cooling as this piece is already cooling the memory chips.
Seems paste is better than thermal pads. I replace pads with paste on all components now days with great results. Harder when the pads are thick. I thought about using copper shims with the paste in areas of thick padding but did not try it yet.
Also going to try on the SDD’s.
Paste is better when the gap isn't too large though.
I have an R11 / 10900k / 64gb ram / 2080Ti - wish I saved the money or bought a custom made, or just stay on the R4 which is now one of my work PCs - does strange stuff at times - goes to test screen graphics while playing mkv movies but not the same move in mp4 - sometimes also does it on you tube like I am pushing more then it can handle - freezes momentary at times - video starts to distort at times - internet keeps freezing on both ATT Uvers and Comcast - I tried to change fans to 3 Noctua NF-A12x25 PWA and bios said no you don't, I will force a 31sec fan test on every startup or reboot unless you put back stock fans - Last night I ordered an Asus mobo and Corsair case, screw the warranty, I will pull mem, cpu, 2080, and power supply and trash the rest - I was moving up from an R4 and currently have 7 working Dells, 4 desktops and 3 notebooks - I have owned over 15 Dells and this R11 will be my last - My wife has the XPS 8900 and the mobo and bios like my R11 will not let you upgrade anything - if my video fails there is nothing I can buy to replace it if out of warranty, Dell refuses to sell you a card without a complete PC - I have been working on PC's since two weeks before Hurricane Andrew when I got my 1st one - this is so intermittent I have not been able to find the cause (I think it is Heat ) but no errors record at all so I have nothing to report to Dell to get it fixed and had it to long to be replaced - I have replaced the heat compound with no joy -
Have you tried a fresh operating system install? Maybe toss in another drive temporarily and give that a try?
@@Mangorille Yes I tried both - I pulled what little I could and built a new much better PC - the R11 case, mobo and remains went into recycle been along wit the remaining 6 month useless warranty - new PC runs great - also I found two bent CPU pins on the Dell mobo that I did not do - I will never buy another Dell again after over 10 in last 15 or so years -
@@artbobik3516 Wow bent pins, that would definitely cause instabilities! Sorry to hear that but glad you got a working computer finally!
whats the application that you used to view the status of the gpu?
The software is called HWInfo.
Hey Mango, i order the r12, and i bu Thermal Paste and The Fan ml120 pro. Im Not Mining, But plaYing Games. You think the Paste and the Fan is useful and much better as the Sticker ? And whats about CPU, do i Need there also Thermal Paste or its okay there?
Hey. Best thing to do is look at the temperatures when playing the games you normally play and see if they are within reason. Would be a good idea to at least install that extra fan as an intake fan. The Alienware only has one intake fan at the front.
@@Mangorille Yea, in Want the Front Fan change against a12x25 pwn, and make the h2 Thermal Paste on the graphic Chip. That Should make it much better correct? Cause the fan of r12 is Not so Good i Heard-. And at the Chip are 2 Stickers Instead of Paste
@@Jiji67298 Yours has the 3080 right? Definitely get the extra intake fan inside the case that will help a lot. It will take the spot of the 3.5 mechanical hard drive though. Does your config have a mechanical hard drive?
@@Mangorille Yea 2 tb ssd and 2 tb mechanical. But Its Worth to remove the Stickers and put the Paste? I will get a better fan
@@Jiji67298 I saw a sizeable temperature difference by removing the stickers, it went from hitting 110 and thermal throttling to staying around 94ish and not thermal throttling.
is there enough clearance to just use thin Thermal Pads?
Yes there is but the result seem more mixed. Some said they had the same results and other said they had worse results.
Anyone know a good detailed video of installation of a second intake fan? Replacing the existing fan is easy but I need links for an adaptor cord and instruction bc this case is so tight. And how would you even mount a second fan? Can I just use zip ties or double sided tape? Help pls lol
I don't know of another video but I removed the hard drive cage that is in the front of the case and zip tied a 120mm fan in that area. The fan still flops around a bit but didn't notice any rattles or issues. I connected the second fan to the PWM fan header at the top of the board close to the memory slots. Been working fine the last month or so. Used this fan: amzn.to/3vhvFjz
Would this process work for an r10 with an AMD 6800 XT?
I am not familiar with the cooler design on the 6800 xt to see if it suffers from the same issue. The 6800 xt also looks to use different memory chips so might not have the same heat issue there.
"Might be ugly compared to ASUS but works perfectly fine" hmmm... Isn't this video about how the card is overheating and was necessary to modify it so it doesn't throttle? That doesn't sound like it works perfectly fine.
Should be "works perfectly fine after the mod".
Will doing this to my R12 void my dell warranty?
No one can really say for sure. There's another thread in the comments about this, check that out for the replies.
It works better instead of using paste to use two thermal pads. Just cut to size 0.5mm pads where you put paste and then use 1mm pads for the inner area. This is a good fix, but for people mining long term not a good long term solution.
Hey. Curious why you think this is not a good long term fix. Been using it now for 5 months of mining straight and still going strong (this card actually became my full time ETH mining card). Recently tried switching over to 0.5mm thermal pads and the results weren't as good (video coming out in two weeks on that).
I too did paste. The reason why its not as optimal is because when change time comes I have to clean it all up and also it will likely get worse before pads. Then again it depends on the paste you use too so technically I wasn’t fully truthful. I just assume most people dont buy the good stuff that last a long time. Also I too have gpus with paste but ai know I have to watch temps because anything can happen with them. Once a variation largr enough occurs, then I know it is no linger effective and must be changed.
Crud typed that fast from a phone with no auto correct XD.
Also, my paste and pad one yield maybe a 2 degree difference in temps. If you are getting much different its possible something went wrong on the install.
For everyone asking about the warranty, you can guarantee that Dell will void your warranty if they find out about this mod. Although its a simple, and easy user serviceable mod (and should be done), it will void the warranty. Even if this was a homebuilt PC, if you did this to a graphics card, the manufacturer of that card would for sure void the warranty.
Unfortunately don't think it's that simple of an answer but it does add an unknown that Dell could use to deny your claim. FYI - I saw another video where someone in the comments actually reached out to Dell Support and here is their response (I don't take any credit for this):
Re: Will repasting void my warranty?
Thank you for your message. Thermal re-pasting is not a customer replaceable unit, even if you are comfortable doing this by yourself.
The act of disassembling, cleaning thermal paste, applying new thermal paste, reassembly in itself does not void the warranty.
If you break any components WHILE doing the work, that would void the warranty.
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@@Mangorille that’s extremely uncommon, but good on them for not voiding!
@@Mangorille i broke a fan blade accidentally , does this mean my warrant will be void ?
@@sagaboythemovie8741 Really depends on Dell and your local laws. The common thinking was that any physical damage would not be covered.
Make it Sense to change the top Fan against Another pwn Fan from noct?
I left the top fan as is, it's noisy but moves a lot of air. Some folks do a push pull using two fans, one on either side of the radiator.
@@Mangorille Then Its okay i put the pwn at Front and the Front on top as Dual Fan correct?
@@Jiji67298 The stock fan that comes at the front has low airflow. You should replace it if you're going through the trouble of doing that.
@@Mangorille thank yu very much. Seems the Top of r12 is Good but Look Same like the Front ? Last question i promise
@@Jiji67298 The top and front use different sized fans currently.
will it void warranty if we remove those stickers around GPU?
That's the big unknown. Depending on what fails, Dell may try to blame it on the modification.
@@Mangorille considering all of that. I placed the order of R10 ryzen. lets gamble
@@prajal161 Congratulations, right now it's all a gamble if you want one of the RTX 30 series cards. What's your estimated delivery date?
@@Mangorille 15/06, one and a half month
there is a promo going on so get 10% off, its end with this month. I would like to get a Lenovo tower i7, but they are giving 2000 series cards at the same price.
@@prajal161 10 percent off is amazing! It might arrive a bit sooner, mine "only" took a month but things may be crazier now.
Where is the cooling
Can anyone confirm if this is a Reference PCB for RTX 3070?
I've read that the Dell cards are made by MSI but with a Dell firmware but I'll let other chime in. You can find some information here: www.dell.com/community/Alienware-Desktops/Aurora-R11-how-can-I-purchase-the-Dell-OEM-RTX-3080/td-p/7756158
@@Mangorille probably asking, in regards to using an aftermarket cooler.... which I have half a mind to do myself.
@@mbe102 I thought the same thing myself initially but I wouldn't bother, especially when you need a shorter cooler because of the Alienware case. With this mod, I find that the Dell 3080 is performing within a degree or two of my Zotac 3080.
What type of 3080 is in there
I've read that it is made by MSI with a custom Dell Alienware cooling solution. Not sure if it's true or not.
People have to be really crazy if they follow this video with this risky move. Someone who think a little won't do this to lose the guarante of the computer...
Screw the guarantee on this POS - I am changing case and mobo on mine (6 months old) so I can have a working PC that I can upgrade whatever I want on it - so far the bios has stopped me from everything and the case is way to small -
Will this work for the 3090 r12?
This was verified on the 3080. I think they both use the same cooler design but you’d need to double check yours.
Yes this works on the 3090 too. On mine the memory temps dropped to 86~94C
@@chickenchunks1622 Hey. What were your temps before this mod?
@@Mangorille so I have an R12 3090 and have throttling issues. Can’t go higher than 107 MH/S when mining with VRAM junction temps hitting 112C. So I just removed the side panel and this one move allowed me to increase my Memory OC to achieve 121 MH/s! VRAM ranges between 108-110 but main GPU & hotspot temps are significantly lower (from 56C down to 49C). Once I do the paste mod, I’ll post results in the comments here.
It should
Torque specs?
I have not seen any published torque specs. Use a small screw driver like in the picture and you should be okay. Just make them tight but don't go gorilla on them.
if you got a 5900x in there that 120mm is gonna give up 🤣
Yup for sure, it can barely keep up with the 5800x even after upgrading the thermal paste.
Is this issue specific to the R10? I've messaged many R12 owners and they say there are no heating issues with it whatsoever. It's kind of misleading putting R11 and R12 in the title when the heating issue is with an older model.
This issue is specific to any Alienware with the RTX 3080 and 3090. Both the R10 and R12 are the current versions of the Alienware, the R10 is the 3rd generation Ryzen version whereas the R12 is the 11th generation Intel version. The people you messaged, did you ask them specifically about the GPU memory temperature?
@@Mangorille Yes and some even made videos showing low cpu and GPU temps under load. They all said their R12 had no heating issues. The only issue I've ever seen with it was someone complaining the fan was too loud so they replaced the fan. I have headphones so fan noise won't be a problem. I was thinking of picking up an R12 soon but won't if it has heating issues. Heat issues are exactly what I'm trying to get away from by getting a gaming PC to replace my aging gaming laptop.
@@Mangorille th-cam.com/video/kGYJUZYACTk/w-d-xo.html this is a recent vid from someone with an R12 showing how it has no heating issues on gpu or cpu even on ultra with a new title. I believe they have a 3070. I'm going to be reaching out to Dell as well soon about this issue so I can make a good choice for my next rig.
@@bladeandcloak666 The 3070 uses a different memory chip so would not be impacted. LinusTechTips made a video about the heat issues as well, it's a general problem with the nVidia 3080 and 3090 but the custom cooler design of the Alienware seems to make it worse based on my experience and some other videos on TH-cam.
@@Mangorille From what I have seen- the memory junction temps for 3080s and 3090s are high regardless of the card manufacturer- I don’t believe it’s solely an Alienware issue. The GPU on these cards stays cool but most cards don’t do an adequate job cooling the memory, which for the most part, is only an issue with mining as opposed to regular gaming.
Dell has to have the worst prebuilds
Agree. I bought this during the great GPU shortage so this was the only way to get a GPU without a crazy mark up.
Dell these days is quite unlike the Dell in the yesteryears. They have come up with a system called Support Assist that is a disguised planned obsolescence system. Think of it as a Trojan horse. It is introduced to keep your systems updated and working till the warranty period, and swiftly after the warranty expiry keeps introducing updates that lead to one or the other software malfunction. The warranty then offered for a year or two is close to the price of a new laptop; just slightly lesser perhaps. So, my two cents is to ignore the fancy lighting, packaging and other fancy stuff and go for a brand that provides you the not so fancy but a reliable and lasting product. I bought an Aurora last year and it is close to garbage. All the best folks!!
I suspect they sold a whole bunch of these during the GPU crunch. I formatted mine and reinstalled windows from scratch to get rid of all that bloatware.
I am just watching this for fun
High-five
so just more thermal paste
Not exactly... There is no paste between the main heatsink and the memory heatsink from the factory. You are adding paste there.
Gpu ugly? Yeah, more led = more fps.
LOL, you didn't hear that RGB adds 10% fps? ;)
Temperature did not go down , 94-100 still too much.
Sounds like you didn't have this problem to begin with then. 94-100 is actually the temperature that these cards run at. It sounds too hot but all the cooler designs (outside of water cooling) experience these sorts of temperatures.
or you could spare taking this poor gpu apart at all and just case swap it lol.. the alienware case is fuggin trash for temps.
The case isn't helping the situation but it is actually a GPU design issue. Even running the GPU with the case open and an additional fan right in front has the same issue.
the case itself is clearly a pile of shit.... i am on my 2nd replacement and having issues again... the heat will gradually ruin hardware, so make sure you keep your warranty up or just simply gut this junk build and buy a new case and mobo and build your own from the salvaged parts... dell knows they have a terrible heat issue with this unit and never corrected it, anyone with this particularly designed case is doomed to have issues
Hey. Which part failed for you and did you have the liquid cooled or air cooled version? The liquid cooled version has extra heat sinks on the motherboard to help with cooling.
@@Mangorille I have the liquid cooled and have had 2 mobo's replace possibly will have a 3rd if i continue to use the case also have had a nvme ssd fail from heat as well... however the tech that dropped by to service my warranty told me that everyone he knows that has this particular case leaves the whole side of the case open and that stupid power supply on a pivot open so it can draw air better....... happen to notice the back of the case there is only one little tiny vent for anything to get out other than the top of the case? He said that this case is the one he has to service more than any due to heat issues and dell knew it was a problem..... it was basically a pile of garbage they wanted out of the warehouse so they slapped a alienware in it and sold it as such when in fact it was garbage and like i said they knew it.
@@ConspiracyBytes Thanks for the details. Did you add any additional fans inside the case? I added an extra intake in the front. Agree the case and airflow sucks.
Wow, this almost as bad as watching the Verge build video.
Thanks for saying almost at least ;) Ugly but surprisingly it works.
It is not an Alienware PC, it is a proprietary DELL lookalike. Garbage thru and thru.. no ability to swap out parts. So the ONLY thing it is good for it the video card contained in it.
Ya not ideal, the memory, cpu, ssd, and gpu are good. Rest are typical Dell.
Don't get a dell, there easier solution to this problem.
As an enthusiast, would normally agree with you but pre-builds like this are really the only way to get a graphics card without paying scalper prices.
I’m pretty sure all 3080/3090 have vram temp issues. Though most people use thermal pads instead
@@aarongalicia3760 Yup, they all run hot but not to the point of thermal throttling.
Why would some who knows so much about computers buy a Dell AlienWare? They are notoriously overpriced and bad value for money.
Really just for the video card, you can’t get these video cards without paying crazy scalper prices. First prebuilt I’ve bought in like 20 years. Haha.
@@Mangorille now that I can understand. I’ve been in a queue since December for my 3080.
@@MrMasterJones I've been waiting even longer than that and finally decided to just purchase this Alienware. A month later it was at my door and gaming/mining away. Happy I did that especially with the price increases and all the talk of the LHR cards coming out now.
Dell Nvidia RTX 3080 by Made In China hahaha lol