The TS12 is honestly the greatest shotgun design to date. I was a skeptic until I purchased and continuously shot and trained on this platform. Great video
LOVE mine, honesty first bought it only because of its Starship Troopers look appeal...and it was semi auto...wasn't expecting a whole lot. Even during break-in, never one hiccup...nothing...nada...it just ran and ran and ran. True , I only fed it it buckshot and slugs during break-in...but now it runs everything. Well , never limp wristed low base under 1100fps little 7.5/8 stuff....but I feed it 1100-1330fps #4 shot 1 1/8-1 1/4 oz loads and it loves em. One of my favorite firearm purchases for sure.
Mine went back 3 times before it would feed all 3 tubes without an issue. First time I got a full 15 out of it, it was out on consignment, and sold 4 days later. I'm not alone. Search for ts12 issues, and you'll find it's in fact, not the best.
I had some FTF issues for the first 100-150 rounds but after that it was butter. The manual says to find an ammo the gun likes and stick with it but honestly, after the break-in, my TS12 doesn't give a damn. It eats everything above 1100fps. Easy to field strip and clean as well. Love this gun
As the proud and happy owner of a TS-12, it really is the best for certain scenarios. IMO it only falls short of an M4 for long range accuracy. If I were duck or deer hunting Id take an M4 over my TS12 every time. Again accuracy but also weight. But for every other use Id rather have my TS12. Combat, home defense whatever. That being said the TS12 is a new gun. It doesnt have 10+ years under its belt. Which folks critical of it would point out. That said many folks here on YT and other sites have weighed in on their experiences. Nearly all have said its been rock solid. Which has been my experience as well. Over on Military Arms Channel, they had a horrible initial test of it. Only to have it resolved with minor lubrication in the video. I cant say Im even past the break in period and done no maintenance to it yet. Been rock solid. So much so I need to remember to clean and lube it LOL. As of yet there is nothing like the TS12 in design or comparable $. Now if cost were no object Id take an AA-12. But my pockets arent that deep. But the TS12's bullpup design gives it working class man's AA-12 recoil. I love how people point out that John Wick was shown with a Kel-Tec KSG which would never happen in that narrative. But a TS-12 would have been perfectly acceptable. Kel makes some nice guns. But a KSG vs a TS-12.... yeah Im biased I know. But......
I of course love my Benelli, but the first day of me having and shooting the TS-12, I was thinking that it was a gun that could definitely replace my Benelli. I usually don't put trust in a gun soon as I get it but the fact that IWI didn't release it until it was tested and test heard, gave me a extremely high trust in it. That factor played a big part in me wanting one. Thanks for watching!!
Oh also. I love how you rotate the cylinder after clearing the 3rd tube expecting more. Its such a fast and fluid design to empty, people do that all the time. Again nothing else like it. Yes its more complicated than a old school pump shotgun. But with a bit of practice and understanding of its design. Its not that difficult to use. For some it will be more work than its worth. Which is good as they shouldn't be using it given that. My brother poked fun at me buying a Halo shotgun. On Military Arms Channel he said I wasnt expecting to like this shotgun. But after using it I do. My brother said the same thing. Its all about the right tool for the job. Long range give me an M4. Everything else, love my TS12.
I didn't even realize that I missed doing that. Thanks for pointing it out. I have another video I'll be doing TS-12 vs the Komrad so I'll try it there. Thanks again.
That UTS is my dream shotgun 😅😉 I've been there done that so many times it's not even funny. That TS-12 is my dream shotgun and number 1 overall gun I want right now. With that said, I'd be more than happy with that Beneli too. Good to see you post some videos bro!
@@308c Great choice man, living in an apartment I have issues using my AR for self defense... That's why Tavor is my choice. I believe that 9 x 9mm pellets should have just the right penetration not to injure any of my neighbors :)
Thanks for the video. My friend has a TS 12 and with a red dot he can shoot Cloverleaf slug groups at 50 yards from the bench. He’s learning Shotgun manipulations so having to reload often there’s not a problem.
I have had both weapons for a while and am now proficient with both. Both have their benefits and drawbacks. For QC and home defense nothing beats the TS12. For trap and hunting the M4 is my go~to.
I watched this video and your previous comparison video. I purchased my TS-12 first, after a couple months of careful research and maybe close to 100 videos. I also purchased a UTS-15, but that was more of an impulse buy, it just cried out to me from the wall of the shop LOL! I have yet to fire either one, I only make it to a range a few times a year :/ A friend keeps telling me I need an M4 instead; but you know, after careful consideration.........as long as the TS-12 proves reliable and durable, it seems to beat the M4 in pretty much every category that counts. Cheaper, shorter (better CQB), holds more rounds, equally as easy to reload. I can't find a good reason to spend more for an M4 besides the Benelli name, and IWI isn't a name to sneeze at either. Israel makes good shit too. For the UTS-15, I've run into a problem. The slots on the side LOOK like M-LOK, but they're not, and I can't figure out how to mount a sling. What do you suggest? I consider a sling a must-have.
I would choose the TS-12 over the M4 as well for all the reasons you stated. As for a sling for the UTS, I really don't know. I never considered putting a sling on mine. I Google UTS 15 sling adapter and couldn't find anything. I did see pictures with them having sling swivels.
@@308c Thanks for the reply! I think the sling swivels came from the factory on older Versions than mine and yours; and from pictures, they appear to replace one of the Allen bolts under the feed tube and one of the C-clip retained fasteners near the butt. FYI utas-usa is the new contact despite the website listed in the manual. Here's an Email I recieved in response to a question: "UTAS-USA has recently acquired UTAS and their Tactical Shotgun line. Going forward, we are developing processes and organizing our newly acquired inventory to better address warranty, service and sales. We are currently designing a website client portal. Which will allow our clients to obtain an RMA number and ship their firearms directly to our warranty/ service center(s). As you might imagine things are somewhat hectic and we ask for your patience until we are better able to address client concerns.
An e-commerce section for the UTAS Tactical Shotgun line will be incorporated into our website.
The XTR-12 and UTS-15 shotguns have a 1-year limited warranty to the original purchaser from date of purchase. It would be beneficial even if you didn’t purchase within the past year to fill out the warranty information on our website. You can then be updated as to any generation upgrades that are compatible with your specific shotgun or any new accessories that might become available." Okay, sorry about that side tangent! Back to the actual TS-12 content relative to THIS video!
While I kind of want the TS12, I also want more companies to adopt either the side loading port that the TS12 has or even a variant of it. Definitely might take a new redesign for shotguns, but it seems much easier to load than loading at the bottom. That or load from the top kind of like the M45 shotgun from Halo. Good shooting though.
I do like the way, it loads. Just not really a fan of rotating magazines. If there was a shotgun that can do side loading like the TS12 without the rotation, I'd like that.
I have one functional and and the cheap Turkish bullpups have really changed my life. They're just easier to handle with one hand for longer. Plus I don't absolutely need a sling to shoot them. Really want the TS12 though as it's obviously a much better design...with tube mages instead of box mags, and it's made by a quality manufacturer. My FFL always have them but for auction but I keep missing them. Also want an M4. Settled for an AKSA S4 but hoping to see a real one pop up soon.
A sling is a must for me if I'm planning on using any of my long guns for anything other than home defense. Slings free up you hands but you still keep the gun with you. I've tried to decide which one I would choose over the other TS-12 or M4, it's super heard decision after shooting them both.
I just got home with mine, I traded a couple old ak's for it. It's fast , as fast as my S.p.a.s. 12 , and the tavor has more ammo than the s.p.a.s.12 . I figured since I love my tavor rifle ( .556 ) I would probably be happy with the TS12 So far so good.
Saw both this and a DP-12 at my local shop. After thinking about it hard for about a week I decided to go with the DP-12. The deciding factor was the overall reliability of a pump while being able to get off two rounds per pump. The Tavor was so tempting tho man. I still may pick one up but I have quite a few different types of shotguns already so we'll see. I will say that the weight on the DP-12 is a bitch. Although it definitely soaks up the recoil of buck and slugs, I was practicing some corner, concealment drills and that thing will wear your arms out SMH lol.
My only issue with the DB-12 is if you don't load both tubes evenly at some point in time you're going to get a click-boom or boom-click, and the more uneven you load the tubes the more thats going to happen. If it's being used for a fight shotgun that could be trouble if you need to reload and keep fighting.
@@308c EXCELLENT observation. I've actually done that before. It takes discipline to just keep squeezing the trigger and racking thru it. It can definitely throw you off tho. That said with training you should never have that issue in the initial load up as you have time to check and recheck it to make sure all 14 are in. Now reloading under pressure is where I see that as an issue. For me my defensive plan if I'm using it as a primary defensive weapon is if I have to use 14-16 rounds of 00 buck then it's time to transition to my carbine cuz I'm having a really bad day!
Mine arrived at the store yesterday and I managed to get an hour at the range with with it and let me tell you it was not nearly enough time. I've dreamed about shooting it all night and can't wait to shoot it again.
Love the M1014 and the TS-12. And the 1301T. One word my friend. Esstac shot cards. The KSG25 would easily win this comparison though. 🙂 Good video, thanks for posting.
Although the TS12 does have its flaws, I think it’s still one of the best shotguns on the market. Definitely shouldn’t be someone’s primary weapon system but it is great to be used as a CQB type secondary.
And why shouldn't it be someones primary weapon system??? It's 28" long, weighs 8 lbs and can shoot 15-17 rounds reliably.... So please tell me why it would be a secondary.... To what if I may ask????
Great video, as you can see with shotguns its full manipulation. The ts12 definetly takes some getting used to working. From being a 3gun competitor with the m4 you can greatly reduce your times by not letting the gun go completly empty. Having a dealing with the hang ups in your bideo is great because it shows true real world scenarios.
this will be my first gun, ordered last week should arrive sometime next week. home defense for me. i figured if it was good enough for Gods people it should be good enough for me. plus its small and can be hidden easily.
@@308c i downloaded the rulebook for it and mentions that 1100 fps and 200 rounds for the break in. thats going to be a fun day! or a sore day. possibly both. i ordered a benelli muzzle brake for it thats supposed to significantly lower recoil so thats going on first.
Can blame the shotgun for not shooting ammo its was designed to shot. Plus with every problem I get while shooting the light loads, it's training for me, so I'll have the muscle memory.
I like your fresh idea for a video! Shooting 25 rounds was a nice scenario. Most people give a review of the gun which is getting to be quite commonplace. Could you do a video on comparative times to clean the guns if you have time? Since you've had the Benelli for a while you could probably give some good pointers about the process of cleaning. Just a thought.
I would love to do a video like that but YT doesn't like it when you take apart guns on video. Ill try to think of a way to do it so it won't violate the terms.
@@308c Sorry about that I didn't know that was a problem. Could you talk about a portion of the gun and how to maintain it as a safety aspect without taking it apart? Have a good day.
I don't own an M4, but cleaning TS-12 is a breeze. This gun seems (over)complicated, but the engineering and design is top notch, taking it apart takes literally about 20 seconds, no tools required. It's also worth noting that after shooting around first 250 rounds it still did not malfunction or behave like it would require cleaning, I only did it out of curiosity.
I would like a test with speed & accuracy. Hit the 24 targets set up from 10 to 125 yards , 5 yards more to each target with a timer. Now that would be a really epic test with a Red Dot 3 MOA setup for each shot gun. So the targets are at 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50 / 55 / 60 / 65 / 70 / 75/ 80 / 85 / 90 / 95 / 100 / 105 / 110 / 115 / 120 / 125 yards.
If I can find a case of 12 slugs for a decent price, I would love to try that. But I do have some other ideas for speed loading and attempting to acquire and hit multiple targets. I'll like your idea in mind. Thanks for watching.
@@308c I found 00 Sterling Buck Shot shells for $0.41 / each for 60 shells ( 1330 fps @ 1 3/8 oz 2 3/4 " ) . I bought a bunch though. Prices are coming down.
@@308c I'm telling ya man. Wait till you fire it... The gun EATS up 12 gauge shells like nobody's business.... Go get yaself one. You won't be disappointed...It's my favorite gun in my collection and I've got a few baddies..
that jam was unusual. it was like the bolt didn't move back at all from the looks of it. My one concern with the ts12 is the long-term durability between all the polymer and the somewhat complicated-looking internals. Do you have any updates or concerns?
I don't forsee the polymer wearing out. Most of the moving parts are polymer on polymer and metal on metal. I took it aparts and it's a little complicated for a full brake down but not nearly as bad as it looks. I won't take it apart to clean it every time. That's when you start to lose and wear out parts faster.
IWI is well know for making battle tested and proven firearms. The gun was designed specifically to shot 3" magnum rounds. Its a sledgehammer. I highly recommend you give one a try.
The problem was that is, when I go to grad them I have a high chance of knocking some off the table, and with them in the box if I needed to move I'd just take the box and go.
@@roderickmurao7954 it should have 3 chokes. The one with the 4 is a full choke don't use that one for . I'll have to look to see how many mine came with but I'm pretty sure its 3, 2 in the case 1 in the gun.
@@roderickmurao7954 I'm sorry just look at my TS-12 and it only comes with one choke I mistaked it for another shot gun I got around the same time that came with 3. The TS-12 comes with a 3 notch choke which it a modified choke.
Dude, as an ex-cop, I'll say: your loading skills are atrocious and will get you killed in a gunfight. You should train yourself to "Double-Load" your shells, 2 at a time from a belt or vest shell carrier on weapons like the T/S12 and a few others. You should be seeing times in the 20 to 25 second range for 25 shells. 40+ seconds is getting into the life-threatening range.
Truth be told, if I ever have to use that many rounds SHTF for this country. In which case I would have a pistol and transition too. The only time I'd use shotguns by it's self is home defense.
@@308c Lol, agreed. The 12Ga., the pistol and a good assault rifle have their own Nitch, that when used right can keep you alive. I'm good with a shotgun, super good with a pistol (7 years on the pistol team). The rifle I'm not very good, esp. when it comes to speed and long distance. Rifle against rifle, they would hit me long before I hit them.
The TS12 is honestly the greatest shotgun design to date. I was a skeptic until I purchased and continuously shot and trained on this platform. Great video
Great to hear you still enjoying it ? Been eyeing one hard
@@iceblock3 yes 3 years later
My fear was reliability. How's that?
If they make a H20 version, I'm sold.
LOVE mine, honesty first bought it only because of its Starship Troopers look appeal...and it was semi auto...wasn't expecting a whole lot. Even during break-in, never one hiccup...nothing...nada...it just ran and ran and ran. True , I only fed it it buckshot and slugs during break-in...but now it runs everything. Well , never limp wristed low base under 1100fps little 7.5/8 stuff....but I feed it 1100-1330fps #4 shot 1 1/8-1 1/4 oz loads and it loves em. One of my favorite firearm purchases for sure.
Mine went back 3 times before it would feed all 3 tubes without an issue. First time I got a full 15 out of it, it was out on consignment, and sold 4 days later.
I'm not alone. Search for ts12 issues, and you'll find it's in fact, not the best.
I had some FTF issues for the first 100-150 rounds but after that it was butter. The manual says to find an ammo the gun likes and stick with it but honestly, after the break-in, my TS12 doesn't give a damn. It eats everything above 1100fps. Easy to field strip and clean as well. Love this gun
As the proud and happy owner of a TS-12, it really is the best for certain scenarios.
IMO it only falls short of an M4 for long range accuracy. If I were duck or deer hunting
Id take an M4 over my TS12 every time. Again accuracy but also weight.
But for every other use Id rather have my TS12. Combat, home defense whatever.
That being said the TS12 is a new gun. It doesnt have 10+ years under its belt. Which
folks critical of it would point out. That said many folks here on YT and other sites have
weighed in on their experiences. Nearly all have said its been rock solid. Which has been
my experience as well. Over on Military Arms Channel, they had a horrible initial test of it.
Only to have it resolved with minor lubrication in the video. I cant say Im even past the break
in period and done no maintenance to it yet. Been rock solid. So much so I need to remember
to clean and lube it LOL.
As of yet there is nothing like the TS12 in design or comparable $. Now if cost were no object
Id take an AA-12. But my pockets arent that deep. But the TS12's bullpup design gives it working
class man's AA-12 recoil.
I love how people point out that John Wick was shown with a Kel-Tec KSG which would never
happen in that narrative. But a TS-12 would have been perfectly acceptable. Kel makes some
nice guns. But a KSG vs a TS-12.... yeah Im biased I know. But......
I of course love my Benelli, but the first day of me having and shooting the TS-12, I was thinking that it was a gun that could definitely replace my Benelli. I usually don't put trust in a gun soon as I get it but the fact that IWI didn't release it until it was tested and test heard, gave me a extremely high trust in it. That factor played a big part in me wanting one. Thanks for watching!!
The KSG is trash, it has horrendous recoil that it had brakes specially made for it.
I live in California. The TS12 was the closest I'd ever get to an AA-12.
Oh also. I love how you rotate the cylinder after clearing the 3rd tube expecting more.
Its such a fast and fluid design to empty, people do that all the time. Again nothing else like it.
Yes its more complicated than a old school pump shotgun. But with a bit of practice and understanding
of its design. Its not that difficult to use. For some it will be more work than its worth. Which is good as
they shouldn't be using it given that.
My brother poked fun at me buying a Halo shotgun. On Military Arms Channel he said
I wasnt expecting to like this shotgun. But after using it I do. My brother said the same thing.
Its all about the right tool for the job. Long range give me an M4. Everything else, love my TS12.
I know the TS-12 can be double loaded from both sides and I am sure that would cut the time down even more.
I didn't even realize that I missed doing that. Thanks for pointing it out. I have another video I'll be doing TS-12 vs the Komrad so I'll try it there. Thanks again.
That UTS is my dream shotgun 😅😉 I've been there done that so many times it's not even funny. That TS-12 is my dream shotgun and number 1 overall gun I want right now. With that said, I'd be more than happy with that Beneli too. Good to see you post some videos bro!
Thanks Bro! I always enjoy your videos too!
Would never trade my Tavor TS-12 for any other shotgun on the market. Great vid!
I deemed mine my SHTF go to shotgun over my Benelli.
@@308c Great choice man, living in an apartment I have issues using my AR for self defense... That's why Tavor is my choice. I believe that 9 x 9mm pellets should have just the right penetration not to injure any of my neighbors :)
Thanks for the video. My friend has a TS 12 and with a red dot he can shoot Cloverleaf slug groups at 50 yards from the bench. He’s learning Shotgun manipulations so having to reload often there’s not a problem.
With no bias, the ts12 is difficult to beat. It's so good!
Check out the origin 12 as well. Almost 3 times the cost of the TS 12 but very bad ass and worth it if you can afford it
I have had both weapons for a while and am now proficient with both. Both have their benefits and drawbacks. For QC and home defense nothing beats the TS12. For trap and hunting the M4 is my go~to.
Lol trap with a M4? 🤦♂️
Ghost load the Tavor? Okay… now you have me thinking… 😂
I watched this video and your previous comparison video. I purchased my TS-12 first, after a couple months of careful research and maybe close to 100 videos. I also purchased a UTS-15, but that was more of an impulse buy, it just cried out to me from the wall of the shop LOL! I have yet to fire either one, I only make it to a range a few times a year :/
A friend keeps telling me I need an M4 instead; but you know, after careful consideration.........as long as the TS-12 proves reliable and durable, it seems to beat the M4 in pretty much every category that counts. Cheaper, shorter (better CQB), holds more rounds, equally as easy to reload. I can't find a good reason to spend more for an M4 besides the Benelli name, and IWI isn't a name to sneeze at either. Israel makes good shit too.
For the UTS-15, I've run into a problem. The slots on the side LOOK like M-LOK, but they're not, and I can't figure out how to mount a sling. What do you suggest? I consider a sling a must-have.
I would choose the TS-12 over the M4 as well for all the reasons you stated. As for a sling for the UTS, I really don't know. I never considered putting a sling on mine. I Google UTS 15 sling adapter and couldn't find anything. I did see pictures with them having sling swivels.
@@308c Thanks for the reply! I think the sling swivels came from the factory on older Versions than mine and yours; and from pictures, they appear to replace one of the Allen bolts under the feed tube and one of the C-clip retained fasteners near the butt. FYI utas-usa is the new contact despite the website listed in the manual. Here's an Email I recieved in response to a question:
"UTAS-USA has recently acquired UTAS and their Tactical Shotgun line. Going forward, we are developing processes and organizing our newly acquired inventory to better address warranty, service and sales. We are currently designing a website client portal. Which will allow our clients to obtain an RMA number and ship their firearms directly to our warranty/ service center(s). As you might imagine things are somewhat hectic and we ask for your patience until we are better able to address client concerns.
An e-commerce section for the UTAS Tactical Shotgun line will be incorporated into our website.
The XTR-12 and UTS-15 shotguns have a 1-year limited warranty to the original purchaser from date of purchase. It would be beneficial even if you didn’t purchase within the past year to fill out the warranty information on our website. You can then be updated as to any generation upgrades that are compatible with your specific shotgun or any new accessories that might become available."
Okay, sorry about that side tangent! Back to the actual TS-12 content relative to THIS video!
I'm my opinion...my Benelli M4 is still top dawg. Over all.
While I kind of want the TS12, I also want more companies to adopt either the side loading port that the TS12 has or even a variant of it. Definitely might take a new redesign for shotguns, but it seems much easier to load than loading at the bottom.
That or load from the top kind of like the M45 shotgun from Halo.
Good shooting though.
The way the TS12 loads was the selling point for me.
I do like the way, it loads. Just not really a fan of rotating magazines. If there was a shotgun that can do side loading like the TS12 without the rotation, I'd like that.
@@308c there's the perfect amount of room to duo-load shells as well.
@@marcmonge3704 it hard to pull them out of the box and line them up at the same time. But. It is supper easy to do with the TS-12.
I have one functional and and the cheap Turkish bullpups have really changed my life. They're just easier to handle with one hand for longer. Plus I don't absolutely need a sling to shoot them. Really want the TS12 though as it's obviously a much better design...with tube mages instead of box mags, and it's made by a quality manufacturer. My FFL always have them but for auction but I keep missing them. Also want an M4. Settled for an AKSA S4 but hoping to see a real one pop up soon.
A sling is a must for me if I'm planning on using any of my long guns for anything other than home defense. Slings free up you hands but you still keep the gun with you. I've tried to decide which one I would choose over the other TS-12 or M4, it's super heard decision after shooting them both.
That is a ingenious design, a revolving shotgun magazine tube.
Thank you brotha!
I love my mossberg but I would love to have the TS12 some day
I just got home with mine, I traded a couple old ak's for it.
It's fast , as fast as my
S.p.a.s. 12 , and the tavor has more ammo than the s.p.a.s.12 .
I figured since I love my tavor rifle ( .556 )
I would probably be happy with the TS12
So far so good.
Mine is a very close favorite to my M4. It's so hear to decide which one I would go for in the SHTF.
Saw both this and a DP-12 at my local shop. After thinking about it hard for about a week I decided to go with the DP-12. The deciding factor was the overall reliability of a pump while being able to get off two rounds per pump. The Tavor was so tempting tho man. I still may pick one up but I have quite a few different types of shotguns already so we'll see.
I will say that the weight on the DP-12 is a bitch. Although it definitely soaks up the recoil of buck and slugs, I was practicing some corner, concealment drills and that thing will wear your arms out SMH lol.
My only issue with the DB-12 is if you don't load both tubes evenly at some point in time you're going to get a click-boom or boom-click, and the more uneven you load the tubes the more thats going to happen. If it's being used for a fight shotgun that could be trouble if you need to reload and keep fighting.
@@308c EXCELLENT observation. I've actually done that before. It takes discipline to just keep squeezing the trigger and racking thru it. It can definitely throw you off tho.
That said with training you should never have that issue in the initial load up as you have time to check and recheck it to make sure all 14 are in. Now reloading under pressure is where I see that as an issue.
For me my defensive plan if I'm using it as a primary defensive weapon is if I have to use 14-16 rounds of 00 buck then it's time to transition to my carbine cuz I'm having a really bad day!
Nicely done! Loving the ts12
Mine arrived at the store yesterday and I managed to get an hour at the range with with it and let me tell you it was not nearly enough time. I've dreamed about shooting it all night and can't wait to shoot it again.
Which one did you get?
M4 all the way
TS12 is on my list.
Definitely nice action
Thank you. Note how long the Benelli is with the stock extended properly. I have the old M1 & the TS 12.
Ooh yeah it's a big difference in length, that and the capacity was the selling point for me getting the TS-12.
Great video! I was debating on which one to get. What ammo are you shooting in this video?
@AldoWaldo23 it was Federal bolk pack from Walmart.
Love the M1014 and the TS-12. And the 1301T. One word my friend. Esstac shot cards. The KSG25 would easily win this comparison though. 🙂 Good video, thanks for posting.
Although the TS12 does have its flaws, I think it’s still one of the best shotguns on the market. Definitely shouldn’t be someone’s primary weapon system but it is great to be used as a CQB type secondary.
And why shouldn't it be someones primary weapon system??? It's 28" long, weighs 8 lbs and can shoot 15-17 rounds reliably.... So please tell me why it would be a secondary.... To what if I may ask????
ABOUT TO PICK UP A TS 12 SOON
🤗 CANT WAIT
Great video, as you can see with shotguns its full manipulation. The ts12 definetly takes some getting used to working. From being a 3gun competitor with the m4 you can greatly reduce your times by not letting the gun go completly empty. Having a dealing with the hang ups in your bideo is great because it shows true real world scenarios.
I've always wanted to do 3 gun competition. Hopefully one day I can get it started up here where I live.
this will be my first gun, ordered last week should arrive sometime next week. home defense for me. i figured if it was good enough for Gods people it should be good enough for me. plus its small and can be hidden easily.
Just remember it may require a little braking in so don't be up set if it jams a few time be for you hit 100 rounds.
@@308c i downloaded the rulebook for it and mentions that 1100 fps and 200 rounds for the break in. thats going to be a fun day! or a sore day. possibly both. i ordered a benelli muzzle brake for it thats supposed to significantly lower recoil so thats going on first.
Good job clearing the chamber ..👍
😊there is no excuse for a 1600 shotgun to have the issue that the Benelli M4 had here. I for rid of the M4 because of these kind of issues.
Can blame the shotgun for not shooting ammo its was designed to shot. Plus with every problem I get while shooting the light loads, it's training for me, so I'll have the muscle memory.
Really enjoyed and good info, thanks
I like your fresh idea for a video! Shooting 25 rounds was a nice scenario. Most people give a review of the gun which is getting to be quite commonplace. Could you do a video on comparative times to clean the guns if you have time? Since you've had the Benelli for a while you could probably give some good pointers about the process of cleaning. Just a thought.
I would love to do a video like that but YT doesn't like it when you take apart guns on video. Ill try to think of a way to do it so it won't violate the terms.
@@308c Sorry about that I didn't know that was a problem. Could you talk about a portion of the gun and how to maintain it as a safety aspect without taking it apart? Have a good day.
@@dogsplantscarsneatstuff176 I think I may be able to come up with something like that.
I don't own an M4, but cleaning TS-12 is a breeze. This gun seems (over)complicated, but the engineering and design is top notch, taking it apart takes literally about 20 seconds, no tools required. It's also worth noting that after shooting around first 250 rounds it still did not malfunction or behave like it would require cleaning, I only did it out of curiosity.
@@styku1991 thanks for the info.
Great video
I would like a test with speed & accuracy. Hit the 24 targets set up from 10 to 125 yards , 5 yards more to each target with a timer. Now that would be a really epic test with a Red Dot 3 MOA setup for each shot gun. So the targets are at 10 / 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50 / 55 / 60 / 65 / 70 / 75/ 80 / 85 / 90 / 95 / 100 / 105 / 110 / 115 / 120 / 125 yards.
If I can find a case of 12 slugs for a decent price, I would love to try that. But I do have some other ideas for speed loading and attempting to acquire and hit multiple targets. I'll like your idea in mind. Thanks for watching.
@@308c I found 00 Sterling Buck Shot shells for $0.41 / each for 60 shells ( 1330 fps @ 1 3/8 oz 2 3/4 " ) . I bought a bunch though. Prices are coming down.
@@ag4allgood that a awesome price stock up on them.
Man, at 1:34 ...I was like "You sounded taller on tha radio"
Thanks for the video sir. I’m waiting on my new TS12 checking TS12 videos.
Subscribed for mag dumps. Scientific method for reliability of course.
its a little fiddly to rotate the mag tubes but other then that its a great shotty. Love my Ts12
Well done, thanks!
Good video, absolutely love the Benelli M4.
I love the sling of TS12 can you please give me the name of the sling or the website I can order thank you so much
I've had this sling for about 10 years but you can still get then from here www.specialtyoutdoorproducts.net/
Thank you very much for your help and your time
Surprised the M4 FTE or FTF. Was it the shells or the gun wasn't broken in enough?
It was 100% ammo.
Sorry I just got my TS12 and i've had it for about two weeks. I don't think any shotgun can touch this gun.....
@Outlawv21992 I had to choose one or the other for a SHT shotgun I'd take the TS-12 too.
@@308c I'm telling ya man. Wait till you fire it... The gun EATS up 12 gauge shells like nobody's business.... Go get yaself one. You won't be disappointed...It's my favorite gun in my collection and I've got a few baddies..
that jam was unusual. it was like the bolt didn't move back at all from the looks of it. My one concern with the ts12 is the long-term durability between all the polymer and the somewhat complicated-looking internals. Do you have any updates or concerns?
I don't forsee the polymer wearing out. Most of the moving parts are polymer on polymer and metal on metal. I took it aparts and it's a little complicated for a full brake down but not nearly as bad as it looks. I won't take it apart to clean it every time. That's when you start to lose and wear out parts faster.
IWI is well know for making battle tested and proven firearms. The gun was designed specifically to shot 3" magnum rounds. Its a sledgehammer. I highly recommend you give one a try.
Should have had the shells out of the Box, just sitting there on the table ready to go...
The problem was that is, when I go to grad them I have a high chance of knocking some off the table, and with them in the box if I needed to move I'd just take the box and go.
@@308c Esstac shot cards. Extra cards in an M4 pouch.
Seem like beneli get off faster 😅
Which choke are you using for TS 12 …3 or 4 notch?
I use a cylinder bore choke because I like to be able to run slugs at any time.
@@308c I just purchased a TS 12 as well where can I get a cylinder bore choke ? I was told to use a 4 notch choke if wanted to use slugs.
@@roderickmurao7954 it should have 3 chokes. The one with the 4 is a full choke don't use that one for . I'll have to look to see how many mine came with but I'm pretty sure its 3, 2 in the case 1 in the gun.
@@roderickmurao7954 I'm sorry just look at my TS-12 and it only comes with one choke I mistaked it for another shot gun I got around the same time that came with 3. The TS-12 comes with a 3 notch choke which it a modified choke.
@@308c yes mines came in with a 3 notch and 4 notch came with the manual
Lol... A 590 is 500 bucks, and better than either.
Dude, as an ex-cop, I'll say: your loading skills are atrocious and will get you killed in a gunfight. You should train yourself to "Double-Load" your shells, 2 at a time from a belt or vest shell carrier on weapons like the T/S12 and a few others. You should be seeing times in the 20 to 25 second range for 25 shells. 40+ seconds is getting into the life-threatening range.
Truth be told, if I ever have to use that many rounds SHTF for this country. In which case I would have a pistol and transition too. The only time I'd use shotguns by it's self is home defense.
@@308c Lol, agreed. The 12Ga., the pistol and a good assault rifle have their own Nitch, that when used right can keep you alive. I'm good with a shotgun, super good with a pistol (7 years on the pistol team). The rifle I'm not very good, esp. when it comes to speed and long distance. Rifle against rifle, they would hit me long before I hit them.
That was painful to watch 🙄🤦🏽
If you know how to quad load the benelli should only take about 7-10 seconds.
Maybe 7 to 10 if you're loading it one but with 25 rounds and trying to get them out of the box takes a bit longer.
If you quad load the Tavor it’s also much faster
And as a guy who trains relentlessly with shotguns I can say unequivocally there's no way in hell you can run 25 rounds out of an M4 in 10 seconds.