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- John compares two modern "cutting edge" shotguns!
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Have you ever reviewed the Tristar compact bull pup semi auto shotgun in not can you?
What’s a legit site I can get the dp12 shotgun
@Godblessing777 I linked it but who knows if yt will allow the link just Google standard mfg
I have a dp-12. It's built like a tank. Really high quality firearm. The pump and shoot twice mechanic did not take long to get used to, so don't let that dissuade you from considering it.
Standard manufacturing is really high end. Do you still like this?
I have to agree. The DP-12 is built like a tank, and has never failed to fire. It will eat everything you put through it. I have had some bad experiences with
semi auto shotguns. The company that makes these also makes high end shotguns that are up in the $20,000+ price range. They have a patent on the steel they use for their barrels. The manual of arms is not that much different from a regular pump. Very easy to get used to. I don't agree with the loading he described. I can load mine like a normal shotgun.
I'd get the DP 12 if I could fire both barrels at once, even with an aftermarket modification. Double triggers or whatever.
The trigger resets so fast it is pretty damn close to both at once
They look pretty complicated, does it get jammed often?
Had the TS-12 for about 6 months now and to me turning the magazine away from your body is easier.Maybe it's my body mechanics but I have never had an issue with chambering,shooting or rotating the barrel. You do have to be mindful of the chambering with the auto feed if the bolt is open. The safe way until you get used to it is to: Bolt closed, load it, empty it, close the bolt then reload, then charge it. The release is something almost NO reviewer has gone over. It can be easy to accidentally chamber a round while loading. You also have to remember, the TS-12 is more geared towards the military as opposed to consumer. So generally there is a learning curve. I've put close to 2000 rounds downrange and so far it has not fouled on me. The earlier versions and a lot of the demo's would occasionally jam, but not so much now.
The TS 12 is not a shot gun you just pickup & start shooting. Reading the manual & learning to use the features with DUMMY Shot Gun Shells is a great way to get used to it BEFORE a range day. This is not your dad's Remington 870 !
...for when you absolutely, positively must stop a herd of charging brontosaurus.
..... accept no substitute..... unless you have an Apache. Always use the Apache.
And I can’t wait...
Naw that's what the .577 Tyrannosaur is for.
I dont think you gave the tavor a fair shake here. The tavor is a tested platform. Just because it's semi auto doesn't mean its not reliable. Your test didnt show any problems with the tavor. If you are so against semi auto shotguns why bother with this video??
This is true. Short stroking a pump can be just as unreliable as a semiauto. However, Tavor needs to update this design. The tubes should rotate automatically like a revolver. Manually rotating the tubes is a terrible design. It also needs a vertical forward grip, because no one wants to put their hand on that forward grip, so close to the barrel exit. That forward grip doesn't keep the support hand from slipping forward. If they changed those two things, it would be the best high capacity bullpup 12 gauge on the market.
@@DDDYLNI’ve been running the Tavor for a couple years now and use the area forward of the tubes and the front end of tubes to grip the gun. I’ve had no problems with my hand sliding forward as I keep rearward pressure, pressing the gun into my shoulder. This grip allows me to rotate the tubes clockwise easily with only one to two fingers without losing my grip and places the empty tube away from my body (right handed shooter) for easy loading of that tube. But, that’s me.
Exactly!
New gun owners put Hickok45 over 5mil subs. Good job newbies. And welcome to the sport.
I've had a couple handguns for a while now but I stepped up and bought a RUGER556 with my stimulus check lol. That's how I ran into him looking at his review on the 556.
6.5 million now a year after. wow.
I think they just banned those in Canada lol
I think they banned freedom in Canada
@Huwhite Devil so am I but then again just because you live on American soil doesn't mean you're in America 😂
cough cough (california, new york)
@Nightingale getting ready to sell it to china
@westbender 820 they likely dog you till the end as to how and were they fell into the fast flowing water
Dp 12 is still legal in Canada, the tavor is semi auto with more then 5 rounds and a barrel length less then 18.5 so it's never been legal.
Just ordered a Tavor. Fired up, I is 😸
One year later...How do you like your Tavor?
@@truewealth50 Oh no looks like Stuart is a victim of the zombie apocalypse !
You made the right choice, I won't even look at another bullpup.
This man doesnt realizes he has 5 mil subs
His dad has.
Give him a chance, his dad started out shaky. Now look at him.
The son is so boring. I hate to say it but I'm not entertained and don't care to watch now. And this guy is just advertisement central
Jones exactly
Mike Y but its corona time
I can tell a quick story that John will understand. When I first started playing guitar, I learned a scale wrong. I practiced that (wrong) every single day for months. When shown my error, I was screwed. My brain had wired itself wrong and imprinted that mess in my head. I learned the right way to play it, but to this day I will revert back to the wrong way if I am not totally focused on it and in high pressure situations. I just cannot completely undo what I did. My first shotgun was a Moss 500. Same thing. I have that imprinted into my head. Under pressure, I promise I will do EXACTLY what you mentioned. I will fire once and try to rack it again. Guaranteed. And even if I practice shooting either one of them for months, I will revert to what's imprinted when the heat is on. That is a quick way to die. I am 52 years old. Can old dogs learn new tricks?
Good point.
I'm the same way. No matter how long I'm shooting semi, if I'm shooting trap or something where I need to focus and shoot fast, I'll try to rack the semi auto after the first shot.
Draw, Present, Aim, Squeeze is the muscle memory imprinted on me.
Specifically, I practice with only two defense guns: S&W 642 & Glock-19. Same simple muscle memory: draw, present, aim, squeeze. Because I'm like most people, average, I like to KISS - keep it simple stupid!
Both of these shotguns look like a lot of fun for taking out old kitchen appliances at the town dump (or zombies), but I would never rely on myself to operate either one in a high pressure defense situation.
( I need that Tavor though) !!!
After shooting mostly 870 shotguns I still try to rack the benelli m4 when I shoot it, at least makes me chuckle.
00UncommonSense00
Hey man, at 52 years old? If it’s life or death have your shotgun and a revolver right next to each other. At least you’ll know the revolver won’t get in the way of saving your life.
I think it was clear that he had not spent much time getting acclimated to the TS12. With some range time firing a bunch of rounds, rotating the magazine becomes much more natural and intuitive, like anything else. Once that happens then you are really just comparing a pump shotgun with a semi auto and all the obvious differences therein. I'll take my TS12
I'd prefer the DP-12 between the two but a AA-12 would be nice :-)
Exactly, it's not complicated it's not a hassle to load and it has fairly low recoil
If you can find one that is
The dp12 will not function upside-down and is still pump action thats why I bought the ts 12 sure the 2 barrels look cool but in a sense its still a single cause 1 trigger pull one shot then pump then trigger boom then trigger boom the ts 12 is 5 semi auto booms then twist 5 booms then twist 5 booms much faster people look down on semi auto shotguns because they require high brass to cycle the best part of the ts 12 is it only will require shells at 1200 fps to cycle still 5 bucks for 25 at Walmart cheap range fun! Oh and the ts 12 is actually as short as a mossberg Shockwave and you still get an 18" barrel for velocity ooh I can go on👍
@@petejimenez425 Why would you shoot a gun upside down?
@@GothicSoldier9000 my friend when protecting family home and property 1 must prepare and be ready for anything in a CQB situation
I know I been up too late when I see a hickock notification lol
Same
Luckily for me I work til 3 ac m so I'm wide awake
I've had the DP12 for 3 years now. I put in a few thousand rounds. Reliability is 100%. Cleaning it is a pain. Loading it you want to wear gloves so you don't pinch yourself. Don't go to an indoor range either. The other shooters will get startled and the range safety people will get intimidated. It's a wicked gun that grabs a lot of attention.
I had a DP12 and currently have a TS12. Of the two in my opinion the TS12 is the better gun. One big the Jon didn’t touch on was disassembly, the DP would be a bitch to break down in the field but the TS12 is super simple to break down with no tools. I will say there is a learning curve with the TS, getting the timing down with the switch and tubes takes a few to get fast with it but once you get it it’s really fast. In pictures it looks awkward and bulky but it’s really not it’s almost identical size to my SAR. Really rocking shotgun and I have a case and a half through mine with zero malfunctions , also mine will even run the mini buckshot from Nobel sport so 7 in each tube!
Great video John. Congrats on all the hard work and persistence that goes into building a truly great channel. I’m 30 years old, I have 4 children. All of us watch you and your father shoot the range to pieces. Even my wife gets In on the conversation!
This guy looks very uncomfortable operating these guns
Probably because they're both clunky novelty items that serve pretty much no other purpose than to attract gawkers at the range? It's like they took a KSG and somehow made it more ridiculous, heavier, clunkier, over engineered and less reliable. Have you fired either one?
You can fire and load that TS12 at the same time......that is you can be at the ready while stuffing rounds by feel, that's smart.
You can do that with a pump or a Super-90 though.
Not with that DP12 you aren't
@@Kimchi_TV_98 You can not fire rounds WHILE reloading with a pump buddy
Yea. Take a lot of training to get that into muscle memory but that's a great point. Ts12 has a lot of controls to contend with while also trying to reload/shoot at the same time
You can technically do that with any shotgun
I own the Tavor and it’s one of my favorite things. Its beyond fun to shoot and always works. 16 rounds doesn’t hurt either.
17 rounds if you float one under the carrier
I would prefer the tavor. Great vid
I bought a Tavor, thing jams, it's super picky with its rounds. It needs magnum loads, or HEAVY loads. Made the mistake of trying clay target loads, since I had those in the car at the time. Since I wrongfully thought I was low on 12 gauge ammo, until recently when I discovered that I think 12 gauge is the ammo I have the most of. SO, I'll go back to the range today, with heavier and faster loads and try it with that. BUT Winchester Clay/Small Game loads, not so great. Was within spec of the gun, 1300FPS and 1.125OZ, just jammed. Might need high brass over low brass as well. OTHER THAN THAT, I love ti.
It seems like the magazine on the Tavor should have 4 or 5 tubes instead of 3. Watching youtube videos of guys rotating the magazine it looks like they are fumbling it a lot, because you have rotate it 120 degrees to get it in place. I am noticing that they grab the magazine twice to rotate it fully into place. If it had 5 tubes you would only have to rotate it 72 degrees, plus then you could hold 25 rounds in the magazine, but then the gun would be heavier. Another thing they could do on the Tavor is put a spring loaded mechanism to rotate the magazine automatically when the final round leaves the tube. The disadvantage though would be you would have to load the gun in a certain order as you rotate the magazine it winds up the spring. Would also need a cover guard around the magazine. The Tavor will then be true semi automatic for up to 15+ shots instead of 5 shots.
I am guessing they will come out with a future upgraded version that will address this problem in some way. I would like to get a tavor ts12 though, but maybe I will wait for a new version that fixes these problems.
Agree on your points about the TS12.
People only fumble with the magazine because they're not used to it. This gun takes some practice to get really proficient operating it rapidly. Also like anything the rotary magazine gets broken in and rotates a little easier. I've had mine for prob 4 years now or more, and I can flip the magazine tubes quickly and in one single move. The gun is ridiculously fun to shoot, and the recoil is astonishingly minimal.
I want a DP-12!!
@@docholliday3666 1500, within reach of a decent savings.
Congratulations on 5 million subscribers!
I would personally choose the Tavor, can hold 3 tubes with different loads, simple semi-automatic operation nothing my brain can confuse, i'm left handed and can load it properly, and having one barrel means more consistent accuracy than the double. And the Tavor is just more interesting imo, I like interesting unique guns.
Just remember if you wanna make it lefty you gotta send it back to iwi because of where the ejection port is if you hold it lefty its literally right against your face
@@justsomerando718 true, but you can order one already configured for left-handed use.
@@PaulMEdwards i bought mine on a whim from a gun store and tend to just learn to do things with my right hand too to make it easier
Semi auto operation means more maintenance tho
@@hisholiness4537 Not necessarily. Take a look at how the Tavor field strips, it's super easy.
Im a simple man. I hear IWI. I click
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IMO its muscle memory and time on the range
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Hickok, could you please do a video on a SIG MCX Virtus?
These somehow make the KSG look simple
KSG already won.
@@madblank I have the ksg and the tavor ts 12, I wouldnt say the ksg wins. Both are great but I prefer the Tavor. It's been solid, no reliability issues so far which is great for a semi
@@offthewallhobbyman6978 What about KSG vs DP12 ?
@Evo Shift the KSG is garbage compared to the DP12. The DP12 was built with quality in mind.
@@1tokeover And quantity. The TS-12 was built with speed and reliability (IWI's 20k torture test per platform) in mind, but ergonomics? Err...
I have the TS12, KSG and a DP12. The DP12 is the best built by far. But the KSG is an overall better gun when not focusing on built quality and materials. The TS12 is what I would take into a fight. KSG guards the house.
Super happy with the TS12. Sent 600-700 rounds down range so far. Very reliable past the short break-in period.
@@marcmonge3704 DID YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT?
@@philthyrich1433 Nope. Runs like a top. I don't think any semi-auto is gonna be as reliable as a pump but after the 100-150 round 'break-in' I haven't had any failures. Easy to field strip and clean too
I own DP-12 and the biggest problem would be a fast load. However, the major plus is you can use 1.75", 2.75", and 3" with absolute no problem. I loaded 24 short rounds 11 in each tube and chambered the last two. The DP-12 is very accurate with low recoil. I have fired the AR-12, KSG and Mossberg 500. The KSG could not handle the 1.75" and it jammed up pretty bad, the Mossberg 500 kick was two to three times harder than the DP-12 I used only 3", and the AR-12 was shooting 3" only, but was smooth.
Try UTS-15
TS12 MAGAZINE SHOULD BE CLEAR PLASTIC !! this would clear up so much confusion and make training way easier.. you could see what type and how many shells in each tube
No comparison, tavor all day, can’t relate to any other decision. How ever the pump inside of a house is a universal language, no matter where your from you automatically know what that is...
Dp 12 - 👍
Those guns are really cool but you're right I think I'll stick with my pump shotgun old school feel more comfortable
Eric Landau until you shoot one
I'll just stick to my mossberg
@Jordan Winders that's a double sided argument. Basing your firearms on hunting is stupid. Because they're so limited and regulated for ethical and sporting purpose. Now I understand wanting to do more than just go to the range ,but again the second amendment is not for hunting. If you think so ,go buy only single shot weapons to really test your skill.
Much rather have the IWI Tavor TS 12 semi auto Bullpup as a home defense weapon. Its a Military grade Bullpup that had 20,000 rounds thru it during testing. The ONLY other shot gun tested to these extreme levels is the Benelli M1012 ( M4 ) for the Marines & I believe it was 25,000 rounds thru it during its testing. Also the TS 12 is easy to load & unload. Easy to field strip & clean too. Too many strong points for the TS 12 over the DP 12.
I've got the DP-12, it's actually my first pump shotgun so the issue will be backwards for me - I'd probably try and double tap a regular pump. Loading tip, you can actually double load shells in each chamber if you practice, it's still not much faster though. There is an issue I have that if you hold the trigger between pumps you can sometimes only get 1 pull out of it, or a dead trigger, and be forced to manually release the action.
Still to this day trying to find out if it can be legally modified to fire both barrels with 1 trigger pull like their S333 Thunderstruck revolver. The only issue I think it would have, other than causing a dislocated shoulder, would be that it could possibly be classified as a DD if you consider the total barrel diameter.
The idea of modifying a gun like this in such a way sounds like a bad idea. Might deactivate the safety without knowing. Still like this however?
Tavor TS-12 is an objectively superior shotgun in 99% of scenarios. It’s also way more fun to shoot. One of the few Hickok videos I profoundly disagree with.
dp-12 looks like it handles much better and cycles easyer. Also looks like it wont jam. The tavor looks jumpy and complicated. Lots of things to go wrong on that....
I'll take the pump! The semi auto seemed to be a little weird.
joel simms Plus it’s manufactured by a government that sanctions the murder of unarmed children
I didn't realize it was manufactured in China. Thanks for the heads up.
Fight Me weird I thought it was made in Israel, a country that has to protect its citizens from suicide bombers, car attacks, and children being stabbed while they sleep by house intruders.
pistonpoweruk cite one example for each of those in the last year
Ted Moore I mean... do you think I like China? Why would I like China? Anyways, have fun defending the country your government sends trillions of dollars to while saying they can’t afford to give you healthcare. You’re cattle.
I like all sorts of shotguns, but neither of these appeal to me. Id take a pump 870 or 500/590 over any one of these. For $1300. this (to me anyway) is the dumbest thing anyone would ever buy.
The ksg is better for that reason alone. You have 7 plus one with the traditional pump action at worse. Then 7 more after flipping the switch which is easy with the mcarbo extended switch that you can flick with your wrist. It beats both of these hands down.
They just banned everything in Canada, especially your freedom. However, I would just refuse to comply
Do you own illegally converted full auto guns and unregistered SBRs/SBSs? If not, you comply
Awesome job, John! I’ll take both! Congratulations to you both on 5 million subs!
I definitely purchased my DP-12 to stop the infected, lol...
But does it shoot vaccine loads ?
Tavor hands down. I have one, always goes bang. Tavor quality is spot on and this thing is a blast to shoot, it will have you giggling after 16 rounds.
DP-12 is the clear winner. Based off the time proven Ithaca Model 37 action. TS12 rotating magazine just isn't a great design in a fighting shotgun. If you need to reload after 16 rounds you picked a bad day to leave the house.
Most people that can't handle the ts12 will choose the dp-12 but put two guys in a face off the ts12 will blow the dp-12 out. once I hear the 2 shots ik to pop out and blast him with 6 shots straight at first then his 2 shots again then come out with 5 shots again if he's hiding behind a wall it'll be taken down along with his flesh 😭😂 and still have another 5 after his 3rd pump 😭
I like how the TS12 lets you alter ammo for example engaging close targets and moving around a corner only to discover opposition at a greater distance to switch to slug.
That is if your sure you know what tube has the slugs or maybe it has the bird shot or non lethal ?
@@ag4allgood Shit, if it really comes down to that situation- I’m painting the tubes different colors lmao.
@@trentononeill5493 lol
@@trentononeill5493I was thinking the exact same thing.
I'm in the market for a high capacity shotgun. I wanted a mag fed until I saw these. I'm going with the Tavor 1st and the DP12 second.
I used them to decide on a ksg or a dp12 the ksg I saved 200 to 300 over the dp12 so I went with it and never had any issues with the ksg that being said I'd love to have a similar semiautomatic 12ga to go along with the ksg so I'll probably get the ts12 for my next gun the iwi's go through a twenty thousand round torture test for every modification, change and or release to market so reliability they tend to be sound and tried I'll eventually get the dp12 just not yet
He doesn't talk about the nightmare that you have to go through to break down the DP12. Not sure how easy to break down the TS12 but the DP12 is ridiculous.
Love my TS12. Runs flawlessly
How can you afford it?
with a job
Out of the two the dp12 hands down
I own a dp12 and absolutely love it. Though I’d really love to try out the ts12 just to see what it’s like
Wait until you have to take down the DPS for cleaning. 🙄🤦♂️
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DAMN BOAH You have 5 MILLION SUBSCRIBER KEEP IT UP
I correctly understood that DP-12 is Kel-Tec KSG double? Or they are different in something, it just confuse that KSG and DP-12 are produced by different companies. I apologize for my English if something is wrong
@Mark X Unfortunately, I could not find the answer to my question in Google, so I decided ask at knowledgeable people here
KSG is single barrel double magazine tube for 7+1, 7+1 configuration with a selector switch in the rear.
I have owned a DP-12 since June 2016. The manual of arms is different but by spending time at the range with this weapon, the shooter can overcome the tendency to want to rack the slide after only one trigger pull. As with any weapon new to the shooter, this is easily overcome with time with the weapon. I know because at first I prematurely wanted to rack the slide before the 2nd shot, but now, I don't even have the tendency to to that.
IWI for me I feel I could get behind the rotation fairly easily, and the much better loading method wins it for me.
As a shotgun fan i can personally say in my opinion, “shotguns are weird”. (But cool)
Seen a TS12 at a shop the other day and said really loud we can buy these?!
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My friend has the dp12 and the double barrel is difficult to sight in because one barrel sighted in makes the other shoot off to the side.
how tf does that matter on a 12g shotgun?
@@Invisus_Letum because some people prefer accuracy rather than shooting Willy Nilly and hoping you hit something.
its a 12g shotgun, a short barreled one at that, there isn't such a degree of accuracy for this to be an issue
@@Invisus_Letumwhat if u are shooting slugs for bear defense
That's one way to say you're inexperienced with shotguns, lol. You actually do have to aim shotguns.
And it's not a short barrelled gun. It's a bullpup, which means it has full length 18.5 inch barrels.
So you just all around have no idea what you're talking about despite your smug, crappy attitude about it. Shut up, potato.
A potential intruder will exit fast as soon as they hear the racking of a pump action shotgun. Obviously situational but you have more of an option to tell someone to F off without saying a word when you rack a shotgun.
Come on man...
Interesting review. I chose the IWI Tavor TS12 for several reasons, but primarily because it's semi-auto and California legal without modification. Other models that interested me either weren't California legal without modification (generally reducing their capacity) or were longer / more bulky. I like the bullpup style for compactness and close-quarters handling.
I'm in NY and agree with you 100%. I have nothing against a Mossberg pump, but THIS is special.
Check out the Panzer Arms BP12. Not as clean fit and finish, but it's a solid reliable magazine fed bullpup 12 gauge for a third of the price of these. Mine eats whatever ammo I feed it without any adjustment.
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We're picking up the Tavor TS12!!! Our new baby! Love how easy it is to load and the rotating tubes are sweet!!
KSG and DP-12 wins off of simplicity and looks The Tavor is doing too much with that spin cycle chamber.
Thank you John, and never ever vote Democrat!
I have both of them and the TS12 is the best shotgun made to date. The dp12 is a clever design but the TS12 is better made, lighter, packs more rounds and is softer to shoot. Mr. Hickok’s mistake is that his idea of a shotgun is what it was 20 yrs ago, higher capacity, compactness and lighter weight is a PRO not a CON, these shotguns (specially the TS12) are an improvement over the design of a lame pump action/semi like a Benelli or a Mossberg. They are the future. Ask yourself which one will give you the best advantage in a standoff against a SWAT team? With that question in mind would you rather have a shitty old M4 super 90 or the better, higher end option like the TS12.
I was with you right up until the SWAT team.
@@kingjay8730 Yep ! Don't mess with the swat team TS12 / DP12 or not !
Wow, I hate both of them. I never thought I'd say that about a shotgun.
It was quite clear the TS12 is the superior firearm. The problem was you. You haven’t practiced enough with it to get use to the magazine rotation.
What's the kick difference? About to buy the TS 12
I would also choose the dp12 :)
@@docholliday3666 pump
I have both these guns and the TS12 is by far the easier gun to shoot. My wife loves the TS12 and she will not shoot the DP. I have never had a failure to feed right out of the box. Recoil is minimal for a 12 gauge.
Wow plastic guns! I had plastic guns when I was a kid...these are more lethal & fun!
DP 12 for the win 👌🏽
No!!! Tavor one love)
Rotating the TW12 just sucks. Even for the video it looked like you weren't only having problems rotating to a new chamber but looked like it was even getting jammed. Pinching your thumb on rotation is no benefit and not being able to handle all types of rounds like the DP12 does including 2.75 and 3" is just a no brainer. I tested both out myself before buying the DP12 Works 2 with Stilettoes (just looks mean) I feel I have far more control with the DP12. In fact, I even have put slugs in one side (ie. left) while birdshot on the other (ie. right). My side by side comparison also sided with the DP12 which is the route I went with and regarding one less round, if you can't hit your target in 14 rounds, 1 more round probably isn't going to help you much.
Where's our DP-20 with three barrels?
Nice video. I always like your videos. I noticed you did not use the mag unlock button at the front of the trigger guard when you rotated the mag tubes on the TS12. Try using that button and you will have much less difficulty rotating the tubes. It is different so training and practice with the TS12 will be needed to develop the necessary muscle memory to run fast with the TS12.
here in Brazil I can never have one, government forbids, congratulations to the channel.
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Can a private person own any guns in Brazil?
You can have handguns no?
I just got my DP-12, love it. I got the green color, works well with black accessories. I got the optional Lazer/Flashlight grip and an Aimpoint Pro. You can tell there is a lot of quality in the gun. Very well made. Recoil is very nice for a shotgun, it doesn';t hurt you.
After this, I like the DP12. Gonna go get me one.
I can’t tell if those are the videos birds or mine🤔🤔🤔
Same thing happens to me 🐦
where is hickok45?
I still think the AA12 is best girl.
If i could modify the ts12 i would put a pump on it under the magazine that when pulled rotates the magazine clockwise and have a switch to change it to rotate counterclockwise, I feel like that would make it easier to use as well as more comfortable.
I had never heard of the DP12. I was literally days away from ordering a UTS 15 because I got suck of my KSG burning my arm! Now I think I may be shelling out some more money for the DP12... One pump two shots is amazing, especially for home defense where firing one shot is practically a sin. Double tap!
Get a UTS!
The double-tap is the tactical advantage that you have with the DP-12, which puts you head and shoulders above any assailant who may be trying to hide, figure that you have to rack before you get a 2nd shot off, but....SUPRISE!!! Follow-up shot IMMEDIATELY inbound! The engineering concept behind the DP-12 is ingenious, and in my opinion, is well worth the money.
Which would John Wick choose ?
Sadly I would submit using the words "High Capacity" may not be the best choice. There are people out there that love to use that term as a tool to limit our freedoms...
It should be noted that the DP-12 can use minishells, and have a 24 round capacity. 11 in each tube and 1 in each chamber. The tavor ts12 cannot run with minishells.
I couldn't imagine having one of these pulled on me, dam they are intimidating just laying there.
I don't like the rotating magazine at all, I would like to have the double barrel pump.
I like my magazine-fed semi-auto
I remember hearing about magazine-fed pump-action shotgun that was a Bullpup I can't remember the name of it though it was supposedly released this year
Cool gun I bet it is accurate
I dunno, I think the low cost and simplicity of a regular old Mossberg pump makes it preferable to these guns, and if I felt I had to have more capacity, I would install an Opsol thingie and run mini-slugs.
I do know one thing for certain- 5 million subscribers is awesome!
Actually, if you told me I had to pay $1,000.00 for one of these or a Mossberg 500 A1 and my choice had to be my only shotgun for the next 30 years, I'd pay the 1K for the Mossberg, or an 870.
Is it possible to load mini shot shells on the DP-12 like other pump actions to increase capacity to even more rounds? That would give DP-12 significant edge over the Tavor TS12.
I gave a like to the video, but I do not like those two guns! No way for me.