"[The Boxer Rebellion] was the imperial social event of the century and every army that was any army had to be there. it was so embarassing if you didn't go and shoot at Chinese people." So many great Othais quotes this episode.
@@AlexKS1992 and the western powers in China weren’t bullies too? China was a violent mess back then (still is a mess but for entirely different reasons)
I really like all of the context you give to each gun design. The company history, designer bio, military trials and adoption, etc.. It's one thing to just make a "review" of the gun, and many gun channels stop there, but you guys really go the extra mile and teach the history of firearms. Reminds me of the old "tales of the gun" documentary series I used to watch as a kid, back when history channel was a channel about history.
Thanks for this amazing video about the grandfathers of the M95. Since I'm Austrian, it's always exiting for me to watch vids about austrian military rifles. Own 3 M95's (1 rifle and 2 carbines, 8x56 mmR) myself and boy are they fun to shoot. Also I'm already looking forward to your Werndl and M95 videos ;)
What I really like about these rifles is the magazine system. While it was a compromise from what Mannlicher originally wanted, it works. Also when the clip falls from the magazine. it acts as a warning to the shooter that they are on the last cartridge BEFORE you pull the trigger. In the chaos of war things like this helps you keep your composure for continuing to fire and replace magazines. It also doesn't fly up with a loud "ping" like the M1 Garand, which can alert nearby enemies that you are changing magazines. Great video as always.
Robert Neal seeing a silent clip falling from your rifle during a battle isnt going to happen due to the fact your aiming down sight and the rifle will block that view. During the time of the M1 war was so chaotic that that little ping sound would be the last thing you hear because you know screaming gun shots artillery.
I agree with Krisobro98, M1 Garand are battle rifles, they are not meant for commandos anyway. and that's WW2, not WW1 where commando operations were not invented tactically.
The Garand clip ping is an absolute myth. No one can hear your ping in battle, the enemy does not recognize the sound, and even if you are out of ammo, your other 9 squad mates aren't. Please stop repeating this horrible lie
Discovered your channel a few days ago. As an Austrian who is mostly into hunting with classic rifles (especially Mannlicher-Schönauers) but also has great interest in history of firearms and WWI, I must say your research and knowledge is awesome. I knew about all these guns and names but not in that depth and context. Thank you for doing this, keep up the great work. Not sure if you knew this, "Schritt" means "step" or "pace", in this particular case it means "footstep". An Austrian Schritt equals to 0,8 meter, I don´t think it has anything to do with the anglo-american imperial system. It´s an old unit mostly used by the military. (And up to this day sometimes hunters use it to describe an estimated distance, for example saying: "I shot that deer at a distance of about 100 steps".)
Hey you nailed the pronunciation of the names Franz and Josef and also the Waffenfabrik congratulations, now you have unlocked the inner German achievement. :D Also thank you and Mae (hopefully I wrote that right) for the great content. I always wondered about the development during and just before WW1 for small arms.
C&Rsenal Mayhaps you could do a "favorites series" also, not necessarily the best rifles. I would just like to see what Mae and Othais' favorite weapons are.
You know, I stayed up late working last night, all the while hoping to see the new upload, and mere moments after I relent and go to sleep, you post. Oh this fickle game you play Othais.
"Watch out for Prussia, holy crap!" Should come with its own little video like "War were declared". Would also make a great t-shirt with Othais' and Mae's faces going AAAAHH! and the C&Rsenal logo and website.
This was an amazing video, I really wish we could get a full video on the Werndl-Holub single shot rifle, specifically it's History in Persia (Austria Hungary tried to supply Persia's Military for a while).
It's great to see a more elaborate explanation like these because it gives ppl who aren't familiar with the condition of the time some idea as to why countries did what they did at the time. some ppl for example could not understand why every country didn't just convert all their primary rifle to use detachable magazine the moment the tech was available... concepts like resource, time, and general cost at a national scale is not something a lot of ppl have an idea and can imagine and it's great that we get these kind of things mentioned here to help them understand that it's often not as simple and straightforward as it seems.
It always amazes me that just some grooves, or in the Mannlicher's case, a wedge, can support a freaken rifle cartridge firing in a pressurized barrel with breaking, bending or flying open.
You two are a great team! Also treated the country where I was born with respect (not everyone does) ....you didn't mention that the Austrian K.u.K army was considered an "operetta army" by the huns to the north. Anyway, I watched the whole thing beginning to end and never felt bored! At some points in my life I was sniffing around the thought of acquiring a Steyr Mannlicher rifle...but then what? having it hanging there? I was in the Austrian military and didn't like it that much.... By the way you might perhaps mention that the Steiermark....the province where they were made has a steel making tradition that reaches back into ..well the iron age. The first higher quantity steel production for swords, tools and armor in the middle ages took place there due to the local very suitable iron ore deposits. Thanks again! Great video!!!
there was someone who had one i decent shape but have not responded to my PM or been active in a few years. MMROTW will have the name of the person who lent thers to be photographed for the book
Thank you you Mae for all that standing there and then all that shooting you do for us .... We need more Mae yes more Mae and more shooting ... Yes Lots more Shooting
The "poum tata" music ine the background when Mae shoots, it is soooo Austrian. I feel like in a village party, drinking Puntigamer beer all afternoon with leather short pants.
At 20:53 you show the enbloc clip being ejected upwards a la Garand, instead of dropping downwards. But you didn't say how or why Mannlicher changed it to a gravity drop. Did I miss you addressing it?
What's your primary source of ammunition for oddball rounds like 11x58r? I'm sure there's a lot of hand loading involved but who makes brass for those rounds?
Okay, so one of these days, you've got to hold out your hands as you say "And THIS" and the gun just falls down into them. Sort of like those Old Spice commercials. *Ahem* On a more serious note, I love your channel.
Technical question for your ammo master. Do you convert your cases from berdan to boxer? Or do you reform new brass? Or do you manage to find new production boxer primed brass? How about an episode on keeping these old rifles well fed?
I would actually like to talk about hand loading but Jay is a bit camera shy. Generally we use new or modified from new-ish brass and have not had to do a primer conversion just yet.
thoroughly enjoyed it. Was tempted to go straight to meat & potatoes (diagrams and shooting) and the final commentary as dessert...but the soup was good as well
Another classic. You guys are out doing yourself from episode to episode. Mae showing up in Othais-clothing at the end was a nice touch. I too appreciate a pistol grip on my rifles. Have I mentioned I'm waiting for a SMLE presentation?
It is interesting that the original Mannlicher straight-pull was a wedge lock. Did James Paris Lee use the same idea in his Winchester-Lee straight pull? His wedge lock was extremely strong, being able to with-stand cartridges of 60,000 psi.
***** It's likely it'll be a primer for WW2, as the Germans would have the Norwegians make them a bunch later. Or it will get a mention in the 1911 episode.
I'm lucky enough to have the M95 Styer and Hungarian. Both of the carbines. I paid $89 for each about 6 years ago. They look brand new! Cleaned the cosmoline and almost had a stroke with the great condition. Those run about $250 now. I lucked out.
The detachable box magazine was invented by American John Paris Lee for his 1879 bolt action rifle (Remington Lee Model 1879). The Navy bought them and issued them with 4 magazines; chambered in 45-70.
During the long historical sections, do you work to a full script, bullet-point notes, or is it all from memory? Either it's all an incredible feat of memory, or you have a very smooth and natural delivery. Really enjoyable watching, keep up the great work :)
the last time you tried to pronounce FÉG i had to rewind the video 3-4 times to understand what you said but now, altough 'butchered' i was able to understand it on your first try, without problems, so thank you for taking the time and effort to pronounce it! also kudos for the correct budapest pronounciation! everybody gets it wrong... +1: the letter 'é' should be pronounced as the 'a' in 'late'. :)
I have a 1878 which has a bottom magazine and bayonet. Not sure what it is. Stamp in the wooden stock and has foreign writing. Haven't seen one on any of your shows or anywhere else. Any idea what it could be?
I need to look at Mannlicher designs more. He was really ahead of the curve. How does one purchase a poster again? I meant to purchase the last one, but totally failed to do so because I am an idiot. I really wanted that poster too, so I do not want to make the same mistake twice.
"[The Boxer Rebellion] was the imperial social event of the century and every army that was any army had to be there. it was so embarassing if you didn't go and shoot at Chinese people."
So many great Othais quotes this episode.
go me
ya hear it was big.
ya hear it was a big event eh?
If you read anything on the Boxers they deserved it. They were thugs and bullies.
@@AlexKS1992 and the western powers in China weren’t bullies too? China was a violent mess back then (still is a mess but for entirely different reasons)
Love the shot when Mae shoulders the '86... Gotta love a big bore...
"that's gonna hurt..... you could loose a war.... "..... love it.
Elbows are important.
"Imperial social event of the century."
Bring your best uniform!
@@Candrsenal Und pickelhaube!
@@Candrsenal Please enable Persian subtitles for all your work.
@@Candrsenal gonna get that new Stahlhelm drip
@@Candrsenal and your newest rifle
Austro-Hungarian reaction to the 71/84 was spot on xD
Yes, they adopted a repeater.
History classes by Othias and Mae. I love you guys. Your channel goes into so much depth!!! Highly informative!!!
Thanks!
I really like all of the context you give to each gun design. The company history, designer bio, military trials and adoption, etc.. It's one thing to just make a "review" of the gun, and many gun channels stop there, but you guys really go the extra mile and teach the history of firearms. Reminds me of the old "tales of the gun" documentary series I used to watch as a kid, back when history channel was a channel about history.
That time seems like a distant memory now
I cant wait for the patent to run out on the Pokey Hand.
I'm gonna make bank selling generic 'Pointy Hands'
good plan.
Thanks for this amazing video about the grandfathers of the M95. Since I'm Austrian, it's always exiting for me to watch vids about austrian military rifles. Own 3 M95's (1 rifle and 2 carbines, 8x56 mmR) myself and boy are they fun to shoot. Also I'm already looking forward to your Werndl and M95 videos ;)
Good to hear you're enjoying it! M.95's are next.
thanks :D
What I really like about these rifles is the magazine system. While it was a compromise from what Mannlicher originally wanted, it works. Also when the clip falls from the magazine. it acts as a warning to the shooter that they are on the last cartridge BEFORE you pull the trigger. In the chaos of war things like this helps you keep your composure for continuing to fire and replace magazines. It also doesn't fly up with a loud "ping" like the M1 Garand, which can alert nearby enemies that you are changing magazines. Great video as always.
Robert Neal seeing a silent clip falling from your rifle during a battle isnt going to happen due to the fact your aiming down sight and the rifle will block that view. During the time of the M1 war was so chaotic that that little ping sound would be the last thing you hear because you know screaming gun shots artillery.
I agree with Krisobro98, M1 Garand are battle rifles, they are not meant for commandos anyway.
and that's WW2, not WW1 where commando operations were not invented tactically.
The Garand clip ping is an absolute myth. No one can hear your ping in battle, the enemy does not recognize the sound, and even if you are out of ammo, your other 9 squad mates aren't. Please stop repeating this horrible lie
I disagree. The M1 was far more reliable than the g41 or g43. It was also more accurate than the svt40. It's easier to load an M1 too
jpc1918 it was the type 38 arisaka.
About to go to bed, but 1hr video on old school small arms? Rip sleeping schedule
We hardly knew thee....
my bad
"Old dirty Ferdy" had me rolling.
Did you hit any furniture?
I am still at a loss as to how these people can create such long videos and keep them interesting throughout. Props.
Dumb luck
Blood Sweat and Tears :D
Discovered your channel a few days ago. As an Austrian who is mostly into hunting with classic rifles (especially Mannlicher-Schönauers) but also has great interest in history of firearms and WWI, I must say your research and knowledge is awesome. I knew about all these guns and names but not in that depth and context. Thank you for doing this, keep up the great work.
Not sure if you knew this, "Schritt" means "step" or "pace", in this particular case it means "footstep". An Austrian Schritt equals to 0,8 meter, I don´t think it has anything to do with the anglo-american imperial system. It´s an old unit mostly used by the military. (And up to this day sometimes hunters use it to describe an estimated distance, for example saying: "I shot that deer at a distance of about 100 steps".)
Hey you nailed the pronunciation of the names Franz and Josef and also the Waffenfabrik congratulations, now you have unlocked the inner German achievement. :D
Also thank you and Mae (hopefully I wrote that right) for the great content. I always wondered about the development during and just before WW1 for small arms.
Maybe in the future you guys could do a "Mae's top 10 rifles", "Othais top 10 handguns" and some other short things like these :)
|T-Bside| Jey XP Maybe not a top ten because everyone and their dad has made one of those already.
We will do some sort of recap episode but probably not "top ##." They do well on TH-cam but I feel like those rankings often lack nuance.
C&Rsenal Mayhaps you could do a "favorites series" also, not necessarily the best rifles. I would just like to see what Mae and Othais' favorite weapons are.
The reichsrevolver would definitely win.
I like the current format and don't want any manpower taken away from it
You know, I stayed up late working last night, all the while hoping to see the new upload, and mere moments after I relent and go to sleep, you post. Oh this fickle game you play Othais.
render time is a bitch
I am really enjoying these! Keep em' coming!
ok
"I like the smell of black powder"
- Mae 2016
yes
Is it better than napalm?
@@hangonsnoop Or Cordite?
@@hangonsnoop considering something's dead and not suffering agony, yes
These have been my favorite looking rifles and I've wanted to learn much more about them. Thank you for putting this out.
We're glad you enjoyed it!
I haven't seen every episode yet but this is by far my absolute favorite and you guys are amazing
Mannlicher is such a amazing man i love him and this gun.
me 2
Such incredible detail in the presentation, lovely!
This is my new fav channel
Oh Yes...I have been waiting for this one.
I mean, I've been waiting for all of them, but I've been anticipating this one especially.
How did it go?
Awsome. "Ol' Dirdy Ferdy" Mannlicher was a genius.
"Watch out for Prussia, holy crap!" Should come with its own little video like "War were declared". Would also make a great t-shirt with Othais' and Mae's faces going AAAAHH! and the C&Rsenal logo and website.
I'd need a better catch phrase on that....
It's a good one as is IMO. When I heard it on this video, I thought "hey he says that in a lot of videos". So it's catchy.
This was an amazing video, I really wish we could get a full video on the Werndl-Holub single shot rifle, specifically it's History in Persia (Austria Hungary tried to supply Persia's Military for a while).
There will be one.
It's great to see a more elaborate explanation like these because it gives ppl who aren't familiar with the condition of the time some idea as to why countries did what they did at the time.
some ppl for example could not understand why every country didn't just convert all their primary rifle to use detachable magazine the moment the tech was available...
concepts like resource, time, and general cost at a national scale is not something a lot of ppl have an idea and can imagine and it's great that we get these kind of things mentioned here to help them understand that it's often not as simple and straightforward as it seems.
Also that previous generations might well have known what was ideal
Thank you Mae
Sometimes I go back and rewatch my favorite episodes, this is one of them. I think it’s time to redo the mannlicher series!
You guys (and gals) do such great quality work in weapons' education. I am pleased to view and subscribe.
Happy to have you!
Can't wait until the Gewehr or Mannlicher M95. Looking forward to seeing what is different ergonomically and functionally.
already prepped.
Well done as usual. You spoil us.
I need to start a straight pull collection. These are soo cool!
do it
Love the idea of looking forward to future episodes.Great work you guys.
If you're happy, we're happy. and busy.
Josef Werndl had a lovely moustache, just saying :)
right?
Straight-pull rifles are fun to shoot. Good review as always.
Thanks!
Your pronunciation of "Jose Manuel Balmaceda" was flawless, very impressed!
You really should look into selling your voice for other dubbing/recording work. Another GREAT video. Thanks guys!
ok, this is different from the usual Kermit complaints
I love your series! Please carry on into the wars after WWI!
We will but that's a long way away.
It always amazes me that just some grooves, or in the Mannlicher's case, a wedge, can support a freaken rifle cartridge firing in a pressurized barrel with breaking, bending or flying open.
Take a look at the Degtyarev (?) 28 machinegun.
You two are a great team! Also treated the country where I was born with respect (not everyone does) ....you didn't mention that the Austrian K.u.K army was considered an "operetta army" by the huns to the north. Anyway, I watched the whole thing beginning to end and never felt bored! At some points in my life I was sniffing around the thought of acquiring a Steyr Mannlicher rifle...but then what? having it hanging there? I was in the Austrian military and didn't like it that much.... By the way you might perhaps mention that the Steiermark....the province where they were made has a steel making tradition that reaches back into ..well the iron age. The first higher quantity steel production for swords, tools and armor in the middle ages took place there due to the local very suitable iron ore deposits. Thanks again! Great video!!!
This episode definitely needs to be reworked
You nailed the pronouciation of gesellschaft by the way!
ANCAP!
Suh dude
ProjectD13X ancoms >>>>ancaps
4
Glad to see that 3d animations are here to stay.
I liked this one a lot.
I'm glad you're glad you like my work :)
"Dirty Ferdy"
Brilliant
I love when you say "War Were Declared".
othais you are one amazing and funny dude, keep up the good work
Funny? I'm 100% serious man.
Want to say that your animation was quite sophisticated.
Thanks!
Man you're the best! Keep this up!
Btw, every time you grunt i think to myself "now that's a dad noise right there"
This channel is great. Keep up the good work!
Thank you, we'll try.
Really neat video, thanks for the history
Fantastic presentation as usual! Serbian Djuric Mauser m80/07C episode I hope one day
I don't think there is one in the US?
IIRC someone on gunboards had one in pretty bad state however.
there was someone who had one i decent shape but have not responded to my PM or been active in a few years. MMROTW will have the name of the person who lent thers to be photographed for the book
Thank you you Mae for all that standing there and then all that shooting you do for us .... We need more Mae yes more Mae and more shooting ... Yes Lots more Shooting
but how would you hear me talk?
Another good'n! Thanks for the work and effort.
Thanks for watching!
The "poum tata" music ine the background when Mae shoots, it is soooo Austrian. I feel like in a village party, drinking Puntigamer beer all afternoon with leather short pants.
Saw one of these in a museaum in georgia (country). Apperently used in the 1905-7 revolution
3:33 ''Joseph and Franz Werndl & Company, Arms Factory and Sawmill''
Up there with "Anaheim, Azuza & Cucamonga Sewing Circle Book Review and Timing Association"
Jan & Dean -
I'm still cleaning up the mess from when my head exploded upon learning the ejecting en bloc clip design wasn't original to the Grarand.
What song is being played while Mae was firing? o3o also ah crap, it's Prussia.
Kärntner Liedermarsch
Very good info, thanks for posting!
At 20:53 you show the enbloc clip being ejected upwards a la Garand, instead of dropping downwards. But you didn't say how or why Mannlicher changed it to a gravity drop. Did I miss you addressing it?
Great work!
Thanks!
Of all the antiques I picked up this past year this one has the smoothest action. Sadly it came to me with a broken stock.
What's your primary source of ammunition for oddball rounds like 11x58r? I'm sure there's a lot of hand loading involved but who makes brass for those rounds?
The brass is made by Bertram.
Okay, so one of these days, you've got to hold out your hands as you say "And THIS" and the gun just falls down into them. Sort of like those Old Spice commercials. *Ahem* On a more serious note, I love your channel.
At 3:35: "Josef and Franz Werndl & Co, SmallArms factory and Sawmill".
Technical question for your ammo master. Do you convert your cases from berdan to boxer? Or do you reform new brass? Or do you manage to find new production boxer primed brass? How about an episode on keeping these old rifles well fed?
I would actually like to talk about hand loading but Jay is a bit camera shy. Generally we use new or modified from new-ish brass and have not had to do a primer conversion just yet.
thoroughly enjoyed it. Was tempted to go straight to meat & potatoes (diagrams and shooting) and the final commentary as dessert...but the soup was good as well
Glad to hear
how many of you know ''war were declared'' comes from futurama? Fry's dad was telling a story and that is a quote from that story
Hope I'm not the first to say: "You could lose a wart!" is one of the best lines I have so far heard on this here t'internet.
I had a hess truck as a child. One of my favorite toys.
Another classic. You guys are out doing yourself from episode to episode. Mae showing up in Othais-clothing at the end was a nice touch. I too appreciate a pistol grip on my rifles. Have I mentioned I'm waiting for a SMLE presentation?
That's just her shirt?
Clearly you have a monopoly on flannel shirts
38:31 is that Magazine Lee Metford or a Magazine Lee Enfield in the background above the carbine model of a Gewehr 88?
It is interesting that the original Mannlicher straight-pull was a wedge lock. Did James Paris Lee use the same idea in his Winchester-Lee straight pull? His wedge lock was extremely strong, being able to with-stand cartridges of 60,000 psi.
Best line of today, "That's gotta hurt. You could lose a war."
well....
Thanks for the history
"You could lose a war"
Ever shoot expensive gin out your nose Othias? I don't recommend it.
Liquor Netty Pot.
Sounds painful
@@baanimations3689 i dont wanna imagine
The bicycle ring got me.
its great to see the derpy Austrian straight pull get some love
Derpy? The thing rocks
oh yeah it does- I love the design- its just looks a little derpy compared to a mauser for instance
been here since i saw the first episode link fro mthe great war still going stong guys nice work
Glad to know we are keeping the same people as we expand
im also in your Mumble server
*Oh. Oh yes.*
Eric Brown Getting Man licked, huh?
Are y'all ever gonna do an episode on the Kongsberg Colt? Or will that be included in your 1911 video?
I know how you feel, I'm norwegian so I kinda want them to do it... but I don't think it was used in WW1 :P
***** It's likely it'll be a primer for WW2, as the Germans would have the Norwegians make them a bunch later.
Or it will get a mention in the 1911 episode.
TheGoldenCaulk Doubt it, wasn't used in WW1. At most it will get a mention on the 1911 Episode.
I'm lucky enough to have the M95 Styer and Hungarian. Both of the carbines. I paid $89 for each about 6 years ago. They look brand new! Cleaned the cosmoline and almost had a stroke with the great condition. Those run about $250 now. I lucked out.
Nice
Own an 1888, never been able to shoot it but I love it
Replacement stock availability?? Just got one with a broken stock and looking to restore. Anything helps Thankyou for the info C&R
I can't tell if may is looking so happy because of the big bore black powder or the semi-pistol grip.
An hour long video on election day, thank god.
Yeah, it's been a crazy season.
The detachable box magazine was invented by American John Paris Lee for his 1879 bolt action rifle (Remington Lee Model 1879). The Navy bought them and issued them with 4 magazines; chambered in 45-70.
I am aware and did not say this was the first. I said he put it to the Austrians ahead of anyone else
During the long historical sections, do you work to a full script, bullet-point notes, or is it all from memory? Either it's all an incredible feat of memory, or you have a very smooth and natural delivery. Really enjoyable watching, keep up the great work :)
Bulleted script-ish thing.
"Give it a rather hearty yank."
-Othias 2016
the last time you tried to pronounce FÉG i had to rewind the video 3-4 times to understand what you said but now, altough 'butchered' i was able to understand it on your first try, without problems, so thank you for taking the time and effort to pronounce it! also kudos for the correct budapest pronounciation! everybody gets it wrong...
+1: the letter 'é' should be pronounced as the 'a' in 'late'. :)
yeah I'm not pronouncing it that way ever.
I am loving it...
So the M95 gets an entire episode for it alone?
edt. oh now you mentioned it 57:48
Hello, are there some regimental markings on M1888 rifle? Or only bayonets were marked? Thanks
all of these future rifles for future shows sound amazing, but I still cant wait for the colt model 1911A1 pistol.
Never heard of it
25:30 Yeah I got a nasty blood blister the first time I pulled the bolt out of my 88/95.
every. time.
C&Rsenal can you get the mp18 and review and fire it because it was the first sub machine gun of the war and there was not much on youtube about it.
I have a 1878 which has a bottom magazine and bayonet. Not sure what it is. Stamp in the wooden stock and has foreign writing. Haven't seen one on any of your shows or anywhere else. Any idea what it could be?
I need to look at Mannlicher designs more. He was really ahead of the curve.
How does one purchase a poster again? I meant to purchase the last one, but totally failed to do so because I am an idiot. I really wanted that poster too, so I do not want to make the same mistake twice.
Check the latest video, the IGG just went up.
James Paris Lee patented the detachable box magazine back in 1879, a couple of years before Mannlicher touted the idea.