I commented hundreds of times on your videos about how my 1989 Hilux and 2003 Hilux are more reliable than the sunrise, if I continue to service them with care I think they might outlast humanity,, And now I also just purchased a 2005 100s TD Landcruiser I’m sure I’ll never need to buy another vehicle again.
I have to service the 80 series soon. It'll be up to 6 months. I've done 550km since the last service. Nonetheless is going to be serviced again at or about 6 months.
Just stay away from startups. Tesla only exists because of my tax money kicking in to help the richest man in the world build a company, a bad company at that. I went with a Nissan EV and would get a Honda, Toyota, even a Ford or Chevy before I'd touch a startup EV. Startup fails, you are left with a car you cannot fix.
All cars need fixing. The problem with EVs is only the manufacturer can fix it. The wait time for service is getting longer. Gas cars anybody can fix it. This will frustrate people.
Actually no , not all cars need fixing , I’m old , I used to work in the motor trade , I have had a lot of cars , my most poorly built gas car in recent decades , I did not have to put a spanner on it other than oil changes and very basic servicing for 7 years , at that stage , the motor needed a $3.00 o ring replaced and the aircon needed a gas up , the car , which was also a tow vehicle as well as being the family taxi went to do 17 years of faithful service with only normal consumables like a couple of batteries , an alternator, a coil pack , all of which where just normal wear and tear items and easily and fixable , I might add , the only time that particular car ever visited a dealer was for a wheel alignment. At the end of 17 years of service I retired her due to a hard life and a very beat up body that also had hail damage . I might add , that car still ran like a top and the engine, auto trans , and differential where all still unopened from the day it left the dealer 17 years earlier , it was a good car , not perfect , but it was very good . My replacement car , also doing family taxi duties , but a bit less towing these days , is now a tad over 7 years , so far the only time it has had any work done to it was basic servicing, and to replace the wiper blades and fit a tow bar and a battery to it , this one is a better built gas car than my last one , I expect this one to last as long as the old one and a bit longer . I could keep going with my 30 year old Lexus with its magnificent 1uzfe quad cam V8 , but you get the general drift , not all cars are created equal , and certainly electric cars are not even close to being a replacement for a good gas car.. That being said , you can buy crap gas cars if you don’t know the products or don’t do your research.
@@mikldude9376The issue is, most people don’t keep cars long enough. It’s the whole “I want new” mentality. That’s how the electric cult can get away with preaching, because no one keeps a car longer enough to truly need service. It’s the idiotic, “throw away” culture we live in now, which is also why so many people stay broke, and scream for a living wage.
These are early life, "zero kilometre" fails. These are considered the worst in the industry and they always go back to the dealer. Reliability is also likely more important for environmental sustainability than tailpipe emissions.
Funny you should mention that....there is knob in a street around the corner from where I live, and when he comes home at night, he turns on his high beam AND his light bar to literally drive about 40-50 m up the road to his home......I would not believe if unless I had seen it myself....on more than one occasion too.
Play the game old chap! THAT'S not a headlight, THIS is a headlight. Cue to flicking switch that triggers relay with really thick wire that energises the aircraft landing lights in the spotlight holders 😀
What is going wrong with these cars? I'm on my third new car in 24 years and I can count the number times one has been back to the dealer for a fail on one hand. Someone is getting more than their fair share lol
It's all with the half-finished bells and whistles where one stupid thing knocks out everything... Up until recently, in order to redirect your air flow around the cabin you'd use a simple mechanical contraption to angle the winglets on your air ducts and be done with it. Now, such a simple thing can fail in a myriad of ways: the central tablet that controls everything can die, there can be buggy software, the angling motors may fail, their hall/other sensors too... There are at least 10 different things that can fail to replace something that would before this 'modern way of doing things' fail only if you stroke it with a 10lbs hammer (and even then, not catastrophically). And that's just simple cabin airflow control...
@@ehb403 You left out the "in the first 90 days" part. You could argue that I didn't say that I wasn't. But I did think it was clear I was talking about "24 years of car ownership".
Many EVs tend to lock themselves down and refuse to function normally at the slightest issue, and even when there are no actual issues but the system makes a mistake and thinks some issue happened. Since they do not need to send all of the info or access via OBDII when it comes to EVs, users are forced to take the vehicle to a service center. Many other issues revolve around their extreme anti-repair stance where some CAN bus errors can result in the system thinking you tried to replace some parts on your own, causing it to refuse to use the part.
Some modern vehicles are not using CAN at all, everything goes on their own version of LAN, using TLS with their own, embedded, certificates. Good luck doing anything on them without stealing the company's diagnostic toolset...
I have no data to refer to, but my sense is... software these days is the number one problem for EV's and primarily because the owner can't get at it to fix it. So who owns the car then? Feels like its whoever holds the licensing scheme - maybe they should pay for your insurance as title was issued as a fraud and also... pay for the battery disposal when the vehicle arrives at its mear term destiny of being unrepairable.
This fact is playing out in the real world, I drove past 2 tow trucks yesterday, one had a Burn Your Dog and the other had an MG. Gotta love the Australian consumer, always attracted to cheap shit.
And yet the most towed car by one of the countries auto clubs is an Izuzu ute. All cars have the potebtial for problems regardless of what fuel it uses. Do chinese cars break down more than europeans? Not sure about that, never owned chinese, but have had a few issues with euros over the years.
@@lesleypaterson1463 Ok mate, righto, ya got me with that one! What-the-heck is a 'burn your dog? A Unimog? I couldn't find an equivalent. Better tell me then go on. Probly sumthin obvious but I've missed it!
@@stephaniefairey8633 I'll bet! I've since found out that B.Y.D. is just an actual brand name like M.G., not an acronym or any kind of rhyming slang. It's just that I'd never heard of the brand before, from down here in Australia!
JD ranking is useful but don't really reflect Australia market as most "brands" like Toyota and Hyundai are manufactured in USA where aussies get ours from Japan. so they ranking is skewed.
Some of what the JD Power survey shows you is what type of person buys each brand. Genesis buyers, for example, expect perfection, where Kia and Hyundai buyers expect something a bit better than their 19 year old rust bucket.
Yes ICOD, quite right. Some years ago (I don't know if the situation has changed now) I decided I'd contribute to a JD Power survey. When I saw the nature of the questions I decided that it wasn't wise to take the results published without quite a large 'pinch of salt'. The questions to the contributor seemed mostly of the flavour ' Compared with your expectations (and then on to specific topic e.g. how comfortable was your car, or how smooth was the gearchange etc. etc.). If I spent several wheelbarrows full of my local currency on a car, my expectations would naturally be higher with regards scrutiny of atributes than just a bucketful ! Obviously, the number of 'reported faults' won't be quite so skewed by my observations.
The JD survey is about initial quality, not reliability, so the whole title is a lie. From the article: Top concerns for EVs included features, controls and displays as well as wireless smartphone integration, as customers reported frequent difficulties with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. ... kinda sounds like people getting used to using the options and tech that could have been in ICE cars for years. ALSO. Hyundai and Kia are in the top 5 of that survey of initial quality the video refers to, good luck with those cars in 3 years.
So your saying that people who buy tech heavy vehicles, can't work out how to connect their phones? The world is doomed. Just FYI, last I looked the longevity of both Kia and Hyundai are quite good, better resale in 3 years compared to electric equivalents, but I guess if you can't connect a phone to your vehicle, you have bigger problems.
They (JD Power) also do another survey for issues in the the first 3 years (look up "JD Power Dependability Survey) where they rank vehicles by order of number of issues in the three years since manufacture. They say that the three month survey is a good predictor of performance in three year survey..... The 2024 report has been released, Tesla did pretty badly in that one too.....
Was the selling point for EVs reliability? The electrics have always been the first point of failure for all the vehicles I've owned. Lower maintenance on electric motors of course.
Very surprised by the poor Mazda results. I have a 2016 Thailand built one. Only ever been to the dealer once outside of 6 monthly servicing - a DPF fault caused by a duff O2 sensor, which was fixed for free outside of warranty. Runs like a Swiss watch. Perhaps its crap build quality from the US or Mexican factories!
Mazda's poor showing in the survey is probably due to either US or Mexican build quality of the examples included. They're both as crap as each other, which would also explain why Toyota's JD Power score is so bad when compared with Lexus.
@@hogtownhenry Chicken wire wrapped in discarded baguette paper sleeves is exactly what the French call 'electrical wiring'. Sometimes they add a bit of color to it for a bit of flair, and if you complain that it doesn't follow any standards they tell you that you don't understand fashion.
Normally I loudly complain to "talking head" presenters. You are proof that talking head presentations can be informative and entertaining. But you are among a very small percentage of people that can pull this off. My advice to other TH-cam presenters is to leave talking head presentations to the very few serious pros like yourself. Your videos are great!
I've owned an EV for a bit more than a year, and I've already spent over 26 dollars on window washer fluid. With spending like this, I'll be broke in about 100 years. The costs are astonishing! Damn!
You hit the nail on the head with Toyota v Lexus - the difference is that so many Toyotas over Stateside are 100% stars-and-stripes gun-toting homegrown hoedown Made in America vehicles, and to be competitive with the "Big 3", they have to provide an authentic American ownership experience
Savings vary. Around where you work and live, assuming you are charging at home and driving a lot but less than a couple of hundred miles each day, EVs can save you lots of money. On a long trip, where you’ll need to charge at superchargers, it can cost more like what you’d pay to gas up, though in most cases you’ll probably still save money, especially with a Model 3, or Model Y, or similarly efficient EV.
Actually, John, the neighbours loved me here in Vic when we had no power for 2 days… my battery and solar is what charged their phones and kept their fridge food from spoiling (in my fridge). I don’t have a battery and solar because I like tech, it’s there because I don’t trust the Govt can keep the lights on down here.
That reminds me: what preppers are really about in the final analysis is... surviving government stupidity. Natural disasters are a modest inconvenience by comparison. Anyway, get your Lockdowners out of office - the sooner the better.
My Toyota Camry has had two electrical faults for 25 years. First the electric radio antenna got stuck (live in the Swedish rust belt) so I changed it myself for the cost of $30. Then a switch went bad and this I changed myself, cost about $30 shipped from the US. The dealer in Sweden wanted $180 for it! I have also changed the muffler once. A garage did that for a hefty $700. Additionally I've changed rotors and brake pads. That's it! The car is rust free because of good Swedish rust protection and rides very smooth. Have never filled the AC compressor and Ac works as it should. Everything under the hood is original, except the cooler fan switch. I will never sell that car and buy a new crappy car with heaps of modules and plastic under the hood. BTW I'm not afraid of modules since I have a degree in electronic engineering. That old Camry has only what is needed; ABS, fuel injection, power steering and so on. I don't need anything else. Well the only thing I would like to have is a back camera and better head lights! PS! A couple of years ago when I went to the Toyota dealer to buy a oil filter the serviceman said the Camry is a real shit car! I asked him why he thought hat. He replayed: Well, we don't make any money on it since it never fails. I smiled and went home knowing I made a very good deal when I bought that car!
Not ALL of them, though, John. My business partner has a 12-year-old Leaf, which he purchased 9 years ago. He's only ever slow-charged it at home in all that time. Today is has about 60k of range, which is all they ever need from it. In 9 years of ownership he has replaced the tyres (once), the windscreen wiper blades (a few times), the brake pads (once) and the cabin air filters a couple of times. That's it. And that makes it just about the cheapest car of all time. GO NISSAN LEAF!
They just don't make electrical systems with that superb level of high reliability anymore. That's why my mother in laws Toyota Corolla was factory fitted with Lucas parts.
In the US an EV is about the same cost as roof top solar. I was recently quoted over $50K for solar and my new Tesla is in the low $40Ks. In nine years of owning a BEV it has been in the shop once for repairs.
I have to say that Shannon’s have and are the best insurance company in my 31 years of driving all over the world that I’ve ever had. I seriously can’t fault them, ….well done Shannon’s. I feel relaxed on the road thanks to you.
Had a breakdown once in my EV, had a nail in the tire. Nothing more. Had multiple breakdowns in previous ICE vehicles, EGR valve stuck open on the highway, injector failure, misfires because of dirty intake valves. Every other EV owner I speak too says same as me, without problems. Drove mine to 125.000km today, car is two and a half years old. And the problems mentioned above, are the problems I see almost every day in our workshop. Still hope ICE will remain a while, we earn good money on them because of all the things that goes wrong them.
This story is average initial quality only, nothing about dirty and clogged parts. Bet you replace your battery before the ICE needs a new motor though.
@@ehb403 Unlikely. I would say there's an equal long term chance. And many batteries only need 'dead cells' replaced, rather than the entire battery itself. Thus significantly reducing the cost, if it happens.
@@ehb403 well, my EV isn’t new anymore, and most people don’t buy a new car. So that story applies to most people. The EV’s we get in the workshop just come for an inspection, AC service or tires. We haven’t had a broken battery in the shop or a battery that goes on fire everyday.
@@ehb403 doubt it. My EV battery is rated for 3000 full charge cycles before the battery is down to 70% of initial range. I charge once a week, so over 50 years of charging. Doubt I will keep the car that long. How many ICE motors last 50+ years?
Last week i did a 4 hour drive. In that 4hrs i saw 5, yes 5 Teslas on the back of recovery tow trucks. i quite often see 1 or 2 in a day, but 5 is just shocking. Guess that tells you all you need to know.
@@xpusostomos Well, an electric bike with thin tires and charged on 'green' electricity is arguably the most CO2-efficient mode of people transportation, including walking.
VAG are evil, but I have to give it to Porsche (apart from the IMS bearing debacle), the 911 is an epic all round car. You can track them, targa them and then drive home. The new GTS part hybrid may be interesting to watch and see how it goes.
Part of the problem is these are mostly low volume and new platform vehicles. So I assume at least part of the data can be down to working out the manufacturing bugs. I often heard "don't buy the first year of a new platform" because the number of issues is higher the first year. The data covers only the first 90 days of ownership. So it is clear evidence of sloppy manufacturing, but it's not proof that long-term ownership will continue to have double the rate of defects. Having to go back to the dealer 3 times instead of once or twice in the first 90 days would be annoying, buy hardly catastrophic. I am a lot more interested on long term repair costs. How much is the average maintenance bill for the first few years of ownership? ICEs have a lot of issues with overly complicated emissions and fuel systems. I have friends who got hit with $18k bills for fuel system problems. $7k for electrical, etc. The first 90 days doesn't worry me much at all because the bumper to bumper warranty is in place. My worry is the long-term cost of ownership.
Im fully onboard with EVs as city vehicles, the reduction in exhaust emissions and noise is great, I just wish they had more traditional "manual" elements to them such as gear selection knobs that arent a dicky turn dial or screen functions. If Hyundai can make a really solid EV or hybrid why cant these other manufacturers? Insane the reliability issues for annoying faults.
Solar installs come with parts and workmanship warranties, my installers replaced any tile they broke and if there was a leak ect they’d come and fix it.
@@seanworkman4312012 waited a year for 300w premium sun power German panels ( most panels were 175w) as I didn’t have much roof facing north. Year later hail damaged them. Only 5-6 cells each but yeah still stuffed. Had to argue withNRMA for like for like replacement- the wanted Chinese crap.
Just discovered I can "charge on the run" with my Plug in hybrid 2019 Prius. By holding the HV/EV button in for a few seconds, the vehicle switches to "Charge Mode" and begins charging the battery for about a 1% fuel economy penalty.
Ram... goldbar??? I.m.o. more Toyota / Suzuki should have gold bars... And Lexus as gold-premium brand. No Suzuki??? I always thought THEY were the best 🙂
Morning Mate, I'm in the UK. There is a TH-camr called the MacMaster,or Lee Davy talking about his Porsche Taycan, and how he's in negative equity. He did an interview with a freelance motor journalist. He said " EVs are only the present not the future " when Hydrogen ICE vehicles become financially viable.
@@GraemeHart8888 This. I have no idea why people think Hydrogen will be a savour when it's insanely expensive to produce. The only 'cheap' way to get Hydrogen in the future is from the moon (not a joke by the way, but we have no way to 'get it back to earth').
How on earth did Tesla cars pass Australian disgn rules . Or allowed on the road by RMS , with that tablet info screen. Q1 ARE you allowed to touch the info screen while driving as you cannot touch your mobile phone while driving.
I wish EV makers stop making EV's like teenage wet dreams and actually make models for grown up men. No stupid bells and whistles. Good comfort, real buttons, focus on range, quick charging and maximum efficiency is all we want.
The ironic part is for the average person, not first adopter, and easy to use cheap daily commuter is the most useful type of EV for them. All the extra technology just makes it harder to use for them and drives up the price. But all these EV companies are so busy trying to copy Tesla, they don’t see it.
Not any more actually, EVs when compared to similar quality gas cars are actually similar price. There is not cheap segment which makes the average higher and is desperately needed as well.
If they really wanted to know about EVS, they could ask someone who owns one, not a bunch of BS they heard from someone who heard something on the Internet
So the worse built a vehicle is the more people are employed overall, given the ongoing remediation. The secret is building the right kinds of bad vehicle, you know to keep people in jobs!
Guys dont be br@1n w@shed by these stats because severity of the problem is important, for example i would rather have a window regulator failure than a wet belt failure destroying the whole engine.
These crap crates are simply too expensive for just one thing how in the name of any reason can the average person here in Australia afford one except for those north shore dwellers and money soaked cretins. This whole net zero has stirred up a hornets nest of ridiculous and frankly dangerous "technology" which is doomed to fail.
If you read the report, the problem has nothing to do with the fact that they're electric vehicles and everything to do with the fact that they're filling them with bells and whistles (which are prone to failure) to try and make them seem "premium".
What does that take away from the conclusion that the overall quality of EV's is terrible? If Honda or any other car manufacturer sells an ICE powered car that has consistent problems with the electric windows, that's a lack of quality as well. The same goes for EV's, whether you like it or not.
@@JackOfski & the accidental Whoopies of oops we just burned 137 billion gallons of gasoline annually is all the same🤣 Let me know the next time you get a lithium spill in the ocean, I’ll go pick it up
With many EV brands I think you're more of a beta tester than an owner. Also bravo Polestar marketing kids for convincing mug punters the brand has the Magical Euro Aura of Mystical Prestige when it's Chinese 😂
I have roof top solar. At first a few suppliers would not help saying my roof had too many angles to fit solar panels.(a double story town house.) Only one company came to the party and installed 11 panels. Pretty sure they could have installed at least a couple more. With just 11 panels they said a battery would be useless during winter. Also why do I have to give my surplus power back to the grid ? Couldn’t I use that to charge the battery first and then give back to the grid? Am i happy with solar? Well a little since it’s an all electric house. No gas. But I was expecting a better result .
John is shilling solar power with lithium ion battery storage at home??? WTF??? So lithium batteries in EVs are a explosion/fire/toxic gas hazard but a bank of lithium batteries installed in your home are not?
Most electric cars use lithium ion, the battery equivalent of a box of fireworks. Most home systems (excluding Tesla) use LiFePo4 batteries, which can burn but you have to try pretty hard to make them go up.
@@stusue9733 If you have solar panels on your home, where do you install your storage batteries, down the effin' street? My priest keeps telling me God is infallible. I disagree. He should have made ignorance and stupidity painful.
@@stusue9733 Most solar storage battery systems are installed INSIDE buildings or INSIDE attached garages. Google "solar battery storage installations," select images and tell me what percentage are inside buildings and what percentage are attached to the outside walls of buildings.
Rooftop solar ? I just got a letter from my electricity provider advising my feed-in tariff is going DOWN due to over-supply and lack of demand. This in the middle of a Canberra winter where the last few nights have been less than -2 degrees.
Maybe I just put my tin foil hat on today, but doing a quick Google search I found JD Power’s parent company is Thoma Bravo. Thoma Bravo made a purchase of a software company called Aucerna in 2019. Aucerna is a company that offers reserves valuation and reporting software to Canadian oil and gas producers This is the same year Thoma Bravo purchased JD Power. Thoma Bravo now owns the two largest oil and gas reserves software businesses in Canada. Now I’m no business expert but if I wanted my oil and gas software company to make money I may want to use my other companies to influence peoples purchasing habits in my favour? Again this was 5mins of googling and maybe clutching at a few too many straws.
Facts are facts, regardless of the source or who benefits. Can you dispute the data presented? EVs aren't reliable, we already knew this. My brother encountered a Tesla in the wild last week that randomly decided it wouldn't open. This required a car transporter, as it cannot be towed, and nobody local can fix it.
I strongly suspect that the data is skewed by Tesla. A consumer magazine in the UK known for independence does a regular car reliability survey and Tesla ranks lowest every year.
@@Patrick-857Facts are not facts unless they come from a completely unbiased source. I’m not saying Teslas are squeaky clean. I’m just suggesting that there could be incentives to seek out certain unreliability issues that skews the facts in favour of one type of vehicle such as ICE vehicles. Statistics can tell us whatever the researcher wants us to hear depending on how this research is done. Especially when the company doing the research may have benefitted from one particular outcome over another.
@@jonathanshaw-brown1894 I mean skewed as in Tesla being unreliable brings down EV reliability stats in general. I'll be more interested when the established manufacturers have got a few years of data on relatively mature platforms.
My dream EV would consist of a battery pack, a motor controller, and a single motor driving the front wheels. It would probably weigh 2500 lbs., have manual windows and brakes and seats and steering, and probably 120-mile range. Radio package and speakers is extra.
I miss my old 1981 three prong 300TD. I used to run it on a mix of diesel and used engine oil. Driving to work to Roma and Breck every two weeks followed by a cloud of blue smoke. Fantastic
I suggest in general electric motors are more reliable than combustion engines, but in EVs they are enclosed with no maintenance, this is probably because it will add cost to ownership dealer training etc. Most batteries in EVs are made for the whole thing to fail and replace no modularity in most cases. as the car itself EVs proposition of no buttons and more computer logic to cost cuts leads to people not been able to get out of the car. So maybe the initial proposition of EV making was feasible but was implemented in a bad model, as in, get it quickly out of the line and reduce cost. Unfortunately this Tesla model was copied across the industry.
@sean, As I've remarked to an earlier comment, by my personal experience the JD POWER survey questions were based on owners 'expectations' (questions were, don't know about nowadays). I would expect to be giving a higher mark out of ten to a car classed as a 'luxury' brand (e.g BMW etc) compared to a Chevy of Hyundai. Compared to 'expectations' the luxury brand would get an overall lower mark out of ten for an issue than the same fault in the budget brand. Consequently, generally the different brands suffer a 'marking' bias.
7:40 - ensuring higher dealership provided service visits is part of the game, however. They want to ensure you can ONLY come to them for service, to ensure they are always making money off their customers forever.
Facts are facts, no denying that John. If it weren't for EV, who would you hate on? Keep those clicks and hate going. What are the facts for Aus? Or is that not hate worthy. By the way they catch fire too. Did you know that?
The truth is the so called ev reliability is about warning chimes and entertainment systems. Imagine if we rated petrol and diesel cars on check engine lights.
Curious to know, if these Chinese-made EVs have crash tests, or are these figures sent by (The said Car Companies), do know if they will be crash tested here? And will they be given safety stars based on Australian Standards?
I would be interested to see the breakdown of faults into a number of categories, those that are common to all vehicles irrespective of power train, those only applicable to EVs, those only applicable to petrol engine vehicles, those only applicable to diesel engine vehicles. I have recently owned two JLR vehicles in succession, the first with a diesel engine the second being a BEV. The BEV having had more faults, but these were on items that would be common to both vehicles! 2 door handles and one filler cap release on the EV, vs no faults on the diesel, both vehicles owned from delivery milage to about 40,000 miles. The retractable door handles (visibly the same on both cars) are what gets me, I probably operated them about the same number of times (neither failure was to the drivers door) whereas the EV fuel flap is definitely used more often at about once per day vs once per week.
Yeah... there are a lot of things on newer cars that people don't understand that absolutely imlact reliability. That needs to be fixed - and it will. But the size of the icon on the monitor is not a reliability issue. No indicator going on - that would be an issue. So unreliable... I think a better situation would involve monitoring the time it takes to correct safety-critical items, and the number of vehicls with these items. I think this is done... If you are talking about a traditional Demming Way/TQM manufacturing process it will take months to years. Someone like Tesla can turn fixes around in hours and deploy them with a software update in days. Because they break the TQM rules with continuous automation. I think mostly what we are seeing is that new features are included in EVs, and they are not consistent. If you wanted to track reliability properly you would say all cars without this feature failed (0 out of points). Face it - you should be highlighting the fact that the feature is available before you begin to track failure rates
I saw the funniest thing the other week: a broken down Hyundai IONIQ 5 on the side of the road, with a roadside assistance dude trying (presumably in vain) to get it going again. Why he bothered going through the pantomime and just didn't call for a tow truck on the driver's behalf right off the bat is anyone's guess. And that's an EV made by one of the *most reliable* brands according to JD Power. Ell. Oh. Ell.
People are sniping at JD Power for some reason, but they are a very reputable rating company which use tens of thousands in their sample. And Consumer Reports, also very thorough say exactly the same thing as JDP.
And you think ICE cars are not controlled by computers? An automatic transmission is controlled by a computer that reads the switches in the shifter and does the appropriate action. The same goes for the engine. Even the accelerator pedal is drive by wire.
I commented hundreds of times on your videos about how my 1989 Hilux and 2003 Hilux are more reliable than the sunrise, if I continue to service them with care I think they might outlast humanity,,
And now I also just purchased a 2005 100s TD Landcruiser I’m sure I’ll never need to buy another vehicle again.
There's always something you forgot... E.g. radiator hose deteriorated, leak, overheat, blow your head... Not worth repairing (maybe)
I have to service the 80 series soon. It'll be up to 6 months.
I've done 550km since the last service. Nonetheless is going to be serviced again at or about 6 months.
@@MattBlack6 sounds like a waste of money. With those km, wait a year
@@MattBlack6 That's how you keep the engine bulletproof. Condensation and carbon are what ruin oil otherwise it would last for years. 👍👍
@@xpusostomosSounds like you are a deer with no eyes.
A greater number of problems. Thirty percent more expensive. Half the range. All the unicorns!
Don't forget the bottomless cup of Kool-Aid at the service department
You had me at unicorns, where do I sign up
And for convenience's sake those unicorn horns are on the seats.
Just stay away from startups. Tesla only exists because of my tax money kicking in to help the richest man in the world build a company, a bad company at that. I went with a Nissan EV and would get a Honda, Toyota, even a Ford or Chevy before I'd touch a startup EV. Startup fails, you are left with a car you cannot fix.
But But BUT, they said EV's are so much more reliable than gas and diesel vehicles. You mean they lied to us?
Yeah, and Joe Biden doesn't have dementia either!
Nope. EVs are much more reliable. If by EV you mean Tesla.
DEBOOONKED!!! MY EV IS CAR IS RELIABLE CUZ IT HAS NO SERVICE PARTS WHICH REQUIRE SERVIC ING!! TAKE THAT!!! LUDDITES!!!!
CAPACITIVE TOUCH IS THE FUTURE OF TECHNOLOGY
David, not according to JD Powers.
All cars need fixing. The problem with EVs is only the manufacturer can fix it. The wait time for service is getting longer. Gas cars anybody can fix it. This will frustrate people.
The newer the gas cars are, the less reliable and the more complicated to fix
Actually no , not all cars need fixing , I’m old , I used to work in the motor trade , I have had a lot of cars , my most poorly built gas car in recent decades , I did not have to put a spanner on it other than oil changes and very basic servicing for 7 years , at that stage , the motor needed a $3.00 o ring replaced and the aircon needed a gas up , the car , which was also a tow vehicle as well as being the family taxi went to do 17 years of faithful service with only normal consumables like a couple of batteries , an alternator, a coil pack , all of which where just normal wear and tear items and easily and fixable , I might add , the only time that particular car ever visited a dealer was for a wheel alignment.
At the end of 17 years of service I retired her due to a hard life and a very beat up body that also had hail damage .
I might add , that car still ran like a top and the engine, auto trans , and differential where all still unopened from the day it left the dealer 17 years earlier , it was a good car , not perfect , but it was very good .
My replacement car , also doing family taxi duties , but a bit less towing these days , is now a tad over 7 years , so far the only time it has had any work done to it was basic servicing, and to replace the wiper blades and fit a tow bar and a battery to it , this one is a better built gas car than my last one , I expect this one to last as long as the old one and a bit longer .
I could keep going with my 30 year old Lexus with its magnificent 1uzfe quad cam V8 , but you get the general drift , not all cars are created equal , and certainly electric cars are not even close to being a replacement for a good gas car..
That being said , you can buy crap gas cars if you don’t know the products or don’t do your research.
@@mikldude9376The issue is, most people don’t keep cars long enough. It’s the whole “I want new” mentality. That’s how the electric cult can get away with preaching, because no one keeps a car longer enough to truly need service. It’s the idiotic, “throw away” culture we live in now, which is also why so many people stay broke, and scream for a living wage.
These are early life, "zero kilometre" fails. These are considered the worst in the industry and they always go back to the dealer. Reliability is also likely more important for environmental sustainability than tailpipe emissions.
@@mikldude9376 Good record Mikl! Regular, proper servicing lengthens ice cars lifetimes SO much!
Tesla Australia has a different built from the Fremont and Texas tesla built. We get ours from Giga Shanghai.
That's probably why Australian-delivered Teslas aren't as poorly made as US domestic market ones
Complete with VINYL SEATS!🪣💩🤣
Actually Fremont California has a better Build Quality than Shanghai China.
@@nuthinasitseems5213 That’s my understanding as well…
@@nuthinasitseems5213 nope. A simple google search says you are wrong.
Hi John. Can you give a talk about Led headlights, lightbars, night blindness, arrogant fks refusing to dip their lights, and ADR.?
And dickheads who think it’s cool to drive around town with fog lights on.
Yeah, I hate driving at night now. Everyone has these bright as f#ck lights.
Funny you should mention that....there is knob in a street around the corner from where I live, and when he comes home at night, he turns on his high beam AND his light bar to literally drive about 40-50 m up the road to his home......I would not believe if unless I had seen it myself....on more than one occasion too.
All you need are a pair of Polarised sunglasses to kill the glare from oncoming headlights. Works day and night against all light sources 🎉
Play the game old chap!
THAT'S not a headlight, THIS is a headlight.
Cue to flicking switch that triggers relay with really thick wire that energises the aircraft landing lights in the spotlight holders 😀
What is going wrong with these cars? I'm on my third new car in 24 years and I can count the number times one has been back to the dealer for a fail on one hand. Someone is getting more than their fair share lol
It's all with the half-finished bells and whistles where one stupid thing knocks out everything... Up until recently, in order to redirect your air flow around the cabin you'd use a simple mechanical contraption to angle the winglets on your air ducts and be done with it. Now, such a simple thing can fail in a myriad of ways: the central tablet that controls everything can die, there can be buggy software, the angling motors may fail, their hall/other sensors too...
There are at least 10 different things that can fail to replace something that would before this 'modern way of doing things' fail only if you stroke it with a 10lbs hammer (and even then, not catastrophically). And that's just simple cabin airflow control...
You're not far off then. average is slightly below 2 per car (195 per 100 cars).
@@ehb403 You left out the "in the first 90 days" part.
You could argue that I didn't say that I wasn't. But I did think it was clear I was talking about "24 years of car ownership".
Many EVs tend to lock themselves down and refuse to function normally at the slightest issue, and even when there are no actual issues but the system makes a mistake and thinks some issue happened. Since they do not need to send all of the info or access via OBDII when it comes to EVs, users are forced to take the vehicle to a service center. Many other issues revolve around their extreme anti-repair stance where some CAN bus errors can result in the system thinking you tried to replace some parts on your own, causing it to refuse to use the part.
Some modern vehicles are not using CAN at all, everything goes on their own version of LAN, using TLS with their own, embedded, certificates. Good luck doing anything on them without stealing the company's diagnostic toolset...
I won't buy a product that refuse to works even repaired. Just like printer industry.
I have no data to refer to, but my sense is... software these days is the number one problem for EV's and primarily because the owner can't get at it to fix it. So who owns the car then? Feels like its whoever holds the licensing scheme - maybe they should pay for your insurance as title was issued as a fraud and also... pay for the battery disposal when the vehicle arrives at its mear term destiny of being unrepairable.
This fact is playing out in the real world, I drove past 2 tow trucks yesterday, one had a Burn Your Dog and the other had an MG. Gotta love the Australian consumer, always attracted to cheap shit.
BYD = Build Your Delusions
MG = Mediocre Goods
And yet the most towed car by one of the countries auto clubs is an Izuzu ute.
All cars have the potebtial for problems regardless of what fuel it uses.
Do chinese cars break down more than europeans? Not sure about that, never owned chinese, but have had a few issues with euros over the years.
@@lesleypaterson1463 Ok mate, righto, ya got me with that one! What-the-heck is a 'burn your dog? A Unimog? I couldn't find an equivalent. Better tell me then go on. Probly sumthin obvious but I've missed it!
@@nevillegoddard4966 referring to a vid in which JC used every pejorative he could think of for BYD - hilarious
@@stephaniefairey8633 I'll bet! I've since found out that B.Y.D. is just an actual brand name like M.G., not an acronym or any kind of rhyming slang. It's just that I'd never heard of the brand before, from down here in Australia!
JD ranking is useful but don't really reflect Australia market as most "brands" like Toyota and Hyundai are manufactured in USA where aussies get ours from Japan. so they ranking is skewed.
The US built Toyotas aren't anything like as good as the Japanese.
Try Korea and Thailand. Very few cars that come here are made in Nippon.
Missing the point. The subject matter is about EVs. Dropstar vehicles are made in China. The USA and ourselves both get cars from the same factory
In what alternate universe are Hyundais made in Japan?
@xpusostomos don't be mean, his basic point was good.
Being an American survey - they're likely returning to the dealer because they can't hear the engine...
😅😅😅😅😅😅
Some of what the JD Power survey shows you is what type of person buys each brand. Genesis buyers, for example, expect perfection, where Kia and Hyundai buyers expect something a bit better than their 19 year old rust bucket.
Strange considering they come out of the same factory.
Yes ICOD, quite right. Some years ago (I don't know if the situation has changed now) I decided I'd contribute to a JD Power survey. When I saw the nature of the questions I decided that it wasn't wise to take the results published without quite a large 'pinch of salt'. The questions to the contributor seemed mostly of the flavour ' Compared with your expectations (and then on to specific topic e.g. how comfortable was your car, or how smooth was the gearchange etc. etc.). If I spent several wheelbarrows full of my local currency on a car, my expectations would naturally be higher with regards scrutiny of atributes than just a bucketful ! Obviously, the number of 'reported faults' won't be quite so skewed by my observations.
And yet the ad following this vid on my feed is Charging Solutions. Lol
You see Ad's on TH-cam...? Wow, not seen one of them for a while... lol
I haven't seen any ad for so long. Can't stand them. Ad blocker stops them fo me
EVs …..
The sh1t sandwich….
For those that don’t like bread !!!
Life is a shit sandwich, the more bread you have, the less shit you have to eat........
The JD survey is about initial quality, not reliability, so the whole title is a lie. From the article: Top concerns for EVs included features, controls and displays as well as wireless smartphone integration, as customers reported frequent difficulties with Apple
CarPlay and Android Auto. ... kinda sounds like people getting used to using the options and tech that could have been in ICE cars for years. ALSO. Hyundai and Kia are in the top 5 of that survey of initial quality the video refers to, good luck with those cars in 3 years.
The big fella didn't want to elaborate on the details of the survey... wonder why
@Rocinantewow One of the few intelligent comments on this list of posts.
So your saying that people who buy tech heavy vehicles, can't work out how to connect their phones? The world is doomed. Just FYI, last I looked the longevity of both Kia and Hyundai are quite good, better resale in 3 years compared to electric equivalents, but I guess if you can't connect a phone to your vehicle, you have bigger problems.
They (JD Power) also do another survey for issues in the the first 3 years (look up "JD Power Dependability Survey) where they rank vehicles by order of number of issues in the three years since manufacture.
They say that the three month survey is a good predictor of performance in three year survey.....
The 2024 report has been released, Tesla did pretty badly in that one too.....
Was the selling point for EVs reliability? The electrics have always been the first point of failure for all the vehicles I've owned. Lower maintenance on electric motors of course.
An Irish Wolfhound is a big dog. You’re going to need a pizza or calzone to sort that baby.
Family size should do it.
Here I was, thinking that a cob would be up to the task. I've obviously not seen any Irish Wolfhound emissions recently.
A pizza or calzone?
Surely you mean a gluten free vegan mountain bread wrap?😂😂
That neighbor a couple houses down that is a dick? Your old lacrosse stick just got a new lease on life...
Just don't like bread....
Very surprised by the poor Mazda results. I have a 2016 Thailand built one. Only ever been to the dealer once outside of 6 monthly servicing - a DPF fault caused by a duff O2 sensor, which was fixed for free outside of warranty. Runs like a Swiss watch. Perhaps its crap build quality from the US or Mexican factories!
You mean a BT-50 built by Isuzu?
@@xpusostomos Nope.
Mazda's poor showing in the survey is probably due to either US or Mexican build quality of the examples included. They're both as crap as each other, which would also explain why Toyota's JD Power score is so bad when compared with Lexus.
The Mazda we get in Australia seem to be ok as every second car on road is one.
@@JasonISF Toyota far outnumber Mazda.
EV's have worse electrics than old renaults... think about that
Or Old Rovers
Did Renaults have electric wiring. I thought it was fencing wire wrapped in used burger wrappers. I learn new things every day!!!!!!
@@hogtownhenry Chicken wire wrapped in discarded baguette paper sleeves is exactly what the French call 'electrical wiring'. Sometimes they add a bit of color to it for a bit of flair, and if you complain that it doesn't follow any standards they tell you that you don't understand fashion.
At least they’re not as bad as Italian cars!
Except Tesla.
The "Pole Stars" in clubs arent too reliable either... It wasnt a good choice of company name.
True, mine aren't that reliable, but they sure are delicious.
Ok, so I just got to the pole dancing bit... I honestly posted my first comment before seeing that! Good work, dude
Normally I loudly complain to "talking head" presenters. You are proof that talking head presentations can be informative and entertaining. But you are among a very small percentage of people that can pull this off. My advice to other TH-cam presenters is to leave talking head presentations to the very few serious pros like yourself. Your videos are great!
I've owned an EV for a bit more than a year, and I've already spent over 26 dollars on window washer fluid. With spending like this, I'll be broke in about 100 years. The costs are astonishing! Damn!
Just tried to repair my light which has 14 LEDS . only one was faulty.presumably cells in batteries have similar issues?
You hit the nail on the head with Toyota v Lexus - the difference is that so many Toyotas over Stateside are 100% stars-and-stripes gun-toting homegrown hoedown Made in America vehicles, and to be competitive with the "Big 3", they have to provide an authentic American ownership experience
Boycott EVs forEVer.
I drive 300 miles for just $9. Unless you like wasting money, a Tesla is the best value on the market.
@@davidbeppler3032 Your insurance cost are higher and you have limited range. Climate change is not real.
@@davidbeppler3032 thats not how a EV works.
Savings vary. Around where you work and live, assuming you are charging at home and driving a lot but less than a couple of hundred miles each day, EVs can save you lots of money. On a long trip, where you’ll need to charge at superchargers, it can cost more like what you’d pay to gas up, though in most cases you’ll probably still save money, especially with a Model 3, or Model Y, or similarly efficient EV.
@garagesale5948 it's a free world, do whatever you want
Actually, John, the neighbours loved me here in Vic when we had no power for 2 days… my battery and solar is what charged their phones and kept their fridge food from spoiling (in my fridge).
I don’t have a battery and solar because I like tech, it’s there because I don’t trust the Govt can keep the lights on down here.
That reminds me: what preppers are really about in the final analysis is... surviving government stupidity. Natural disasters are a modest inconvenience by comparison.
Anyway, get your Lockdowners out of office - the sooner the better.
Polestar….or Poxscar ?
Poleaxed
high-priced stripper. may look good but will either leave you compromised and/or empty your bank account.
Poofster
imPoster. Pretending to be a Volvo (not that Volvos are any better nowadays)...
More poofster
I can't wait for the follow-up video about the comments section.
My Toyota Camry has had two electrical faults for 25 years. First the electric radio antenna got stuck (live in the Swedish rust belt) so I changed it myself for the cost of $30. Then a switch went bad and this I changed myself, cost about $30 shipped from the US. The dealer in Sweden wanted $180 for it!
I have also changed the muffler once. A garage did that for a hefty $700. Additionally I've changed rotors and brake pads.
That's it!
The car is rust free because of good Swedish rust protection and rides very smooth. Have never filled the AC compressor and Ac works as it should. Everything under the hood is original, except the cooler fan switch.
I will never sell that car and buy a new crappy car with heaps of modules and plastic under the hood. BTW I'm not afraid of modules since I have a degree in electronic engineering. That old Camry has only what is needed; ABS, fuel injection, power steering and so on. I don't need anything else. Well the only thing I would like to have is a back camera and better head lights!
PS! A couple of years ago when I went to the Toyota dealer to buy a oil filter the serviceman said the Camry is a real shit car! I asked him why he thought hat. He replayed: Well, we don't make any money on it since it never fails. I smiled and went home knowing I made a very good deal when I bought that car!
Not ALL of them, though, John.
My business partner has a 12-year-old Leaf, which he purchased 9 years ago. He's only ever slow-charged it at home in all that time. Today is has about 60k of range, which is all they ever need from it.
In 9 years of ownership he has replaced the tyres (once), the windscreen wiper blades (a few times), the brake pads (once) and the cabin air filters a couple of times. That's it.
And that makes it just about the cheapest car of all time. GO NISSAN LEAF!
Lord Lucas would be proud of these numbers.
The quintessential 'Prince of Darkness'!
Give Joe a break. At least I can follow his wiring diagrams.
They just don't make electrical systems with that superb level of high reliability anymore. That's why my mother in laws Toyota Corolla was factory fitted with Lucas parts.
Electric utopia has short circuited.
The best thing about EV's is that they identify idiots.
Yeah, especially the ones proudly driving their Cyber truck down the road.
@@markthomas207 In a covid mask.
@@markthomas207 THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVING THE PLANETT
@@DaveGreg100 Yeah .....while driving by themselves!😅😂!
You're right Richard Weyland.
In the US an EV is about the same cost as roof top solar. I was recently quoted over $50K for solar and my new Tesla is in the low $40Ks. In nine years of owning a BEV it has been in the shop once for repairs.
Hmmmmm you must not drive very much once a month to.the local grocery store???🤔🤣 Maybe the post office?
No, driven daily. I live in a metropolis where most trips are at least 20 miles. Mercedes build quality with a Tesla drive line.
I have to say that Shannon’s have and are the best insurance company in my 31 years of driving all over the world that I’ve ever had. I seriously can’t fault them, ….well done Shannon’s. I feel relaxed on the road thanks to you.
Agreed!!! They are BRILLIANT!👍
Don't worry about it EV's will be gone in 10 years.
Tesla will be bankrupt in a year.
Just a passing fad like when the automobile came out to replace the horse and buggy
@@lenimbery7038 Go ask the Amish.
My brother in law almost set my dad's garage on fire, simply by charging it. Doh.
Had a breakdown once in my EV, had a nail in the tire. Nothing more. Had multiple breakdowns in previous ICE vehicles, EGR valve stuck open on the highway, injector failure, misfires because of dirty intake valves. Every other EV owner I speak too says same as me, without problems. Drove mine to 125.000km today, car is two and a half years old.
And the problems mentioned above, are the problems I see almost every day in our workshop. Still hope ICE will remain a while, we earn good money on them because of all the things that goes wrong them.
This story is average initial quality only, nothing about dirty and clogged parts. Bet you replace your battery before the ICE needs a new motor though.
@@ehb403 Unlikely. I would say there's an equal long term chance. And many batteries only need 'dead cells' replaced, rather than the entire battery itself. Thus significantly reducing the cost, if it happens.
@@ehb403 well, my EV isn’t new anymore, and most people don’t buy a new car. So that story applies to most people. The EV’s we get in the workshop just come for an inspection, AC service or tires. We haven’t had a broken battery in the shop or a battery that goes on fire everyday.
@@ehb403 doubt it. My EV battery is rated for 3000 full charge cycles before the battery is down to 70% of initial range. I charge once a week, so over 50 years of charging. Doubt I will keep the car that long. How many ICE motors last 50+ years?
@@RickKean ICE only last 50 years if you rebuild them regularly.
Electric cars = shocking !!!
Last week i did a 4 hour drive. In that 4hrs i saw 5, yes 5 Teslas on the back of recovery tow trucks. i quite often see 1 or 2 in a day, but 5 is just shocking. Guess that tells you all you need to know.
That they were transporting the teslas somewhere and instead of paying for 5 drivers they just got a lorry to carry them?
@@Jcewazhere I dont believe the "AA" offer that service, they are for Breakdowns.
Five, five broken Teslas! Ha! Ha! Ha!
(I was channeling my inner Count from Sesame Street.)
Conclusion. All cars are crap. Survey does not break out the types of issues
Sophistry alert
Your talkin out ur ass
Conclusion: You better pay well if you want a JD Power award.
'All NEW cars are crap' , there fixed it for ya .
Correct. JDP exists to milk money from the OEM’s. If you want to know what the customers complained about….OEM has to pay JDP for the info.
For personal transport and don't want to contribute to global warming; ride a bicycle.
You do realise that all that heavy breathing contains carbon right?
lol fart contribute more to global warming. you should eat and use less energy, try E-bike.
Yep, and as a cyclist one can be just as much of an insufferable prick as an EV driver at a fraction of the cost.
With all the gas that comes out of both ends of you, you are just as polluting as the average car lol..
@@xpusostomos Well, an electric bike with thin tires and charged on 'green' electricity is arguably the most CO2-efficient mode of people transportation, including walking.
Thanks
VAG are evil, but I have to give it to Porsche (apart from the IMS bearing debacle), the 911 is an epic all round car. You can track them, targa them and then drive home. The new GTS part hybrid may be interesting to watch and see how it goes.
If he did this about combustion engines no one would care. Once your over 35 new thing is bad thing.
If you play with you tablet with your engine running there is $1000 fine UNLESS you glue it to the dashboard ?
Best advice: Never play with it in public.
@@AutoExpertJC best advice don’t buy a car wankers tend to buy
@@AutoExpertJC they usually watch cnn aswell lol
Ram and Chevy up the top of the reliability list ! My word thats amazing.
How much did Ram pay??? I call BS
Yep Rams are the new penis extension mobile here in Australia
They sold only 5 vehicles and made sure that at least 2 of those came out properly bolted. Easy to keep good reliability with low sales...
@@zwerkoA US JD Power survey , so would expect plenty of RAMs sampled.
I don't want a car to last forever.The shit what comes out that exhaust killing kids is worth the hassle with an EV..Make your choice.
Easy. I hate kids.
Does this survey distinguish between "Car play disconnected" and "car was missing crankshaft bearing" ?
No. It also doesn't distinguish between "Dead cell, replace entire battery", or a "fuel cap loose" evap code either.
Yes, the criteria is any fault that would require you to visit a service center or that you cannot permanently resolve on your own.
It also concentrates on the time period when your car is under warranty.
@@GetOffMyyLawn no, it's any fault that requires a service visit, no matter how minor.
Lol. Wasting precious time at the service centre over multiple piddling little annoyances ain't really the gotcha you think it is.
Part of the problem is these are mostly low volume and new platform vehicles. So I assume at least part of the data can be down to working out the manufacturing bugs. I often heard "don't buy the first year of a new platform" because the number of issues is higher the first year.
The data covers only the first 90 days of ownership. So it is clear evidence of sloppy manufacturing, but it's not proof that long-term ownership will continue to have double the rate of defects. Having to go back to the dealer 3 times instead of once or twice in the first 90 days would be annoying, buy hardly catastrophic.
I am a lot more interested on long term repair costs. How much is the average maintenance bill for the first few years of ownership?
ICEs have a lot of issues with overly complicated emissions and fuel systems. I have friends who got hit with $18k bills for fuel system problems. $7k for electrical, etc.
The first 90 days doesn't worry me much at all because the bumper to bumper warranty is in place.
My worry is the long-term cost of ownership.
MB has stopped the EV crap now..
So has Toyota. They do not see the future as electric. I believe a few other names are going that way too.
Im fully onboard with EVs as city vehicles, the reduction in exhaust emissions and noise is great, I just wish they had more traditional "manual" elements to them such as gear selection knobs that arent a dicky turn dial or screen functions. If Hyundai can make a really solid EV or hybrid why cant these other manufacturers? Insane the reliability issues for annoying faults.
BYD Seal has manual controls like gear shifter and indicators etc. Great car.
Been hesitant to get solar as I fear there will be leaking and broken roof tiles after the process.
Solar installs come with parts and workmanship warranties,
my installers replaced any tile they broke and if there was a leak ect they’d come and fix it.
and a hail storm.
@@nicko97097 fairenough
@@seanworkman431 Where I live there are a lot of newcar storage facilities because of the low incidence of hail in my area so they say.
@@seanworkman4312012 waited a year for 300w premium sun power German panels ( most panels were 175w) as I didn’t have much roof facing north. Year later hail damaged them. Only 5-6 cells each but yeah still stuffed. Had to argue withNRMA for like for like replacement- the wanted Chinese crap.
Just discovered I can "charge on the run" with my Plug in hybrid 2019 Prius. By holding the HV/EV button in for a few seconds, the vehicle switches to "Charge Mode" and begins charging the battery for about a 1% fuel economy penalty.
Dude, using the engine to charge the battery is quite inefficient, thermodynamically.
Ram... goldbar??? I.m.o. more Toyota / Suzuki should have gold bars... And Lexus as gold-premium brand.
No Suzuki??? I always thought THEY were the best 🙂
Morning Mate, I'm in the UK. There is a TH-camr called the MacMaster,or Lee Davy talking about his Porsche Taycan, and how he's in negative equity. He did an interview with a freelance motor journalist. He said " EVs are only the present not the future " when Hydrogen ICE vehicles become financially viable.
@markchapman1757 hydrogen vehicles will never be financially viable. Hydrogen will continue to be very expensive and hard to distribute.
@@GraemeHart8888 This. I have no idea why people think Hydrogen will be a savour when it's insanely expensive to produce. The only 'cheap' way to get Hydrogen in the future is from the moon (not a joke by the way, but we have no way to 'get it back to earth').
Who fixes EVs apart from the stealers?
Electrified garage. Rich is your guy!
How on earth did Tesla cars pass Australian disgn rules . Or allowed on the road by RMS , with that tablet info screen. Q1 ARE you allowed to touch the info screen while driving as you cannot touch your mobile phone while driving.
Rooftop solar charges your EV over night - albo sleazy
Magic fairy stuff !!!
As long as you put a 6kW flood light on your roof, plugged into the neighbours power point.
Most likely Chinese EVs. Slapped together and shipped overseas ASAP
I wish EV makers stop making EV's like teenage wet dreams and actually make models for grown up men. No stupid bells and whistles. Good comfort, real buttons, focus on range, quick charging and maximum efficiency is all we want.
The manufacturers need to justify the huge price tags.
The ironic part is for the average person, not first adopter, and easy to use cheap daily commuter is the most useful type of EV for them.
All the extra technology just makes it harder to use for them and drives up the price. But all these EV companies are so busy trying to copy Tesla, they don’t see it.
Not any more actually, EVs when compared to similar quality gas cars are actually similar price. There is not cheap segment which makes the average higher and is desperately needed as well.
@@edouglasroche So weird, considering the technology is no more advanced than a $300 android phone.
Quite happy with the lack of extraneous buttons on my Tesla thanks
Hmm they were initially sold as more reliable due to less moving parts.
Putting all EV's in the same basket is like putting all gas powered cars in the same basket. This is dumb.
Yes, they all are very unreliable but some are extremely bad.
Desperate disinformation, rationalizing EV haters
@@rp9674desperate denial much?
If they really wanted to know about EVS, they could ask someone who owns one, not a bunch of BS they heard from someone who heard something on the Internet
@@rp9674 no they would lie about how good they are because they made a mistake.
So the worse built a vehicle is the more people are employed overall, given the ongoing remediation. The secret is building the right kinds of bad vehicle, you know to keep people in jobs!
Who'd be dumb enough to buy an EV?....Seriously
Lefteis. Do-gooders. Greenies. Planet Saving Virtue Signallers. Some Govt IT contractors.
Chris Bowen.
12:56 YESSSSSSSSSSS!
Thank you very much, kind Sir.
Guys dont be br@1n w@shed by these stats because severity of the problem is important, for example i would rather have a window regulator failure than a wet belt failure destroying the whole engine.
Okay, so when we talk about the severity of EV fires being worse than ICE fires, you're cool with that? Just clarifying...
What, like £2800 for a 12 volt battery if you leave it parked for a couple of weeks while you are on holiday!
These crap crates are simply too expensive for just one thing how in the name of any reason can the average person here in Australia afford one except for those north shore dwellers and money soaked cretins. This whole net zero has stirred up a hornets nest of ridiculous and frankly dangerous "technology" which is doomed to fail.
If you read the report, the problem has nothing to do with the fact that they're electric vehicles and everything to do with the fact that they're filling them with bells and whistles (which are prone to failure) to try and make them seem "premium".
What does that take away from the conclusion that the overall quality of EV's is terrible?
If Honda or any other car manufacturer sells an ICE powered car that has consistent problems with the electric windows, that's a lack of quality as well. The same goes for EV's, whether you like it or not.
This dude will yap about anything EV
They’re golf carts ….
Anything to disguise the fact , they’ll bolt on !!!
@@DreDresChapters well the downsides of EVs are endless.
@@JackOfski & the accidental Whoopies of oops we just burned 137 billion gallons of gasoline annually is all the same🤣 Let me know the next time you get a lithium spill in the ocean, I’ll go pick it up
JD Power 3 year:
Lexus 135
Toyota 147
Tesla 252 (near bottom)
Land Rover 268 (almost the worst)
Chrysler 310 (the worst)
I had to take my new [petrol powered] Toyota back to the dealer in the first week - to pick up the number plates.
That would be illegal in most countries. 🚓
Love the wedge of the greenies with your support for rooftop solar! Genius. You should be in politics!
With many EV brands I think you're more of a beta tester than an owner. Also bravo Polestar marketing kids for convincing mug punters the brand has the Magical Euro Aura of Mystical Prestige when it's Chinese 😂
I have roof top solar. At first a few suppliers would not help saying my roof had too many angles to fit solar panels.(a double story town house.) Only one company came to the party and installed 11 panels. Pretty sure they could have installed at least a couple more. With just 11 panels they said a battery would be useless during winter. Also why do I have to give my surplus power back to the grid ? Couldn’t I use that to charge the battery first and then give back to the grid?
Am i happy with solar? Well a little since it’s an all electric house. No gas. But I was expecting a better result .
John is shilling solar power with lithium ion battery storage at home??? WTF??? So lithium batteries in EVs are a explosion/fire/toxic gas hazard but a bank of lithium batteries installed in your home are not?
Most electric cars use lithium ion, the battery equivalent of a box of fireworks. Most home systems (excluding Tesla) use LiFePo4 batteries, which can burn but you have to try pretty hard to make them go up.
"installed in your home"
Pretty sure you'll find he never said that.
@@stusue9733 If you have solar panels on your home, where do you install your storage batteries, down the effin' street? My priest keeps telling me God is infallible. I disagree. He should have made ignorance and stupidity painful.
@@jimjones-pz1tt Here let me make it easier for you.
"in"
Clear?
One wonders why you would want to live in pain?
@@stusue9733 Most solar storage battery systems are installed INSIDE buildings or INSIDE attached garages. Google "solar battery storage installations," select images and tell me what percentage are inside buildings and what percentage are attached to the outside walls of buildings.
Rooftop solar ? I just got a letter from my electricity provider advising my feed-in tariff is going DOWN due to over-supply and lack of demand.
This in the middle of a Canberra winter where the last few nights have been less than -2 degrees.
The other shoe is finally dropping.
Maybe I just put my tin foil hat on today, but doing a quick Google search I found JD Power’s parent company is Thoma Bravo. Thoma Bravo made a purchase of a software company called Aucerna in 2019. Aucerna is a company that offers reserves valuation and reporting software to Canadian oil and gas producers This is the same year Thoma Bravo purchased JD Power. Thoma Bravo now owns the two largest oil and gas reserves software businesses in Canada. Now I’m no business expert but if I wanted my oil and gas software company to make money I may want to use my other companies to influence peoples purchasing habits in my favour? Again this was 5mins of googling and maybe clutching at a few too many straws.
Facts are facts, regardless of the source or who benefits. Can you dispute the data presented?
EVs aren't reliable, we already knew this.
My brother encountered a Tesla in the wild last week that randomly decided it wouldn't open. This required a car transporter, as it cannot be towed, and nobody local can fix it.
I strongly suspect that the data is skewed by Tesla. A consumer magazine in the UK known for independence does a regular car reliability survey and Tesla ranks lowest every year.
@@Patrick-857Facts are not facts unless they come from a completely unbiased source. I’m not saying Teslas are squeaky clean. I’m just suggesting that there could be incentives to seek out certain unreliability issues that skews the facts in favour of one type of vehicle such as ICE vehicles. Statistics can tell us whatever the researcher wants us to hear depending on how this research is done. Especially when the company doing the research may have benefitted from one particular outcome over another.
@@ts757arseDo you mean skewed in Murica and not in the UK? Fair point if Musk is also manipulating stats in his area.
@@jonathanshaw-brown1894 I mean skewed as in Tesla being unreliable brings down EV reliability stats in general. I'll be more interested when the established manufacturers have got a few years of data on relatively mature platforms.
My dream EV would consist of a battery pack, a motor controller, and a single motor driving the front wheels. It would probably weigh 2500 lbs., have manual windows and brakes and seats and steering, and probably 120-mile range. Radio package and speakers is extra.
The EVangelist cope here in the comments is so strong I'm worried about overdoses.
I miss my old 1981 three prong 300TD. I used to run it on a mix of diesel and used engine oil. Driving to work to Roma and Breck every two weeks followed by a cloud of blue smoke. Fantastic
Honestly surprised that Ram was most reliable.
Simple truck with massive diesel from Cummins, should be reliable
Mazda bad on that list i noted, Mazda fine in my garage 🙃
@@xpusostomosMakes sense. I'm sure those engines are great.
Knowing Ram was owned by Stellantis was my biggest concern.
@@mnkybndit I thought it was part of GM , or did I get it wrong
I suggest in general electric motors are more reliable than combustion engines, but in EVs they are enclosed with no maintenance, this is probably because it will add cost to ownership dealer training etc. Most batteries in EVs are made for the whole thing to fail and replace no modularity in most cases. as the car itself EVs proposition of no buttons and more computer logic to cost cuts leads to people not been able to get out of the car. So maybe the initial proposition of EV making was feasible but was implemented in a bad model, as in, get it quickly out of the line and reduce cost. Unfortunately this Tesla model was copied across the industry.
"Most batteries in EVs are made for the whole thing to fail and replace no modularity in most cases"
No they aren't.
WTF? Hyundai, Chevrolet, and RAM all ranked WAY ABOVE Honda and Toyota? Smelling BS Here
@sean, As I've remarked to an earlier comment, by my personal experience the JD POWER survey questions were based on owners 'expectations' (questions were, don't know about nowadays). I would expect to be giving a higher mark out of ten to a car classed as a 'luxury' brand (e.g BMW etc) compared to a Chevy of Hyundai. Compared to 'expectations' the luxury brand would get an overall lower mark out of ten for an issue than the same fault in the budget brand. Consequently, generally the different brands suffer a 'marking' bias.
7:40 - ensuring higher dealership provided service visits is part of the game, however. They want to ensure you can ONLY come to them for service, to ensure they are always making money off their customers forever.
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Facts are facts, no denying that John. If it weren't for EV, who would you hate on? Keep those clicks and hate going. What are the facts for Aus? Or is that not hate worthy. By the way they catch fire too. Did you know that?
The truth is the so called ev reliability is about warning chimes and entertainment systems. Imagine if we rated petrol and diesel cars on check engine lights.
They are rated using the same scale and methodology. What's your point, if there was one?
@@Noah_Eobviously drivers not understanding warning chimes doesn't reflect reliability.
@13:09 "PoleStar"... I see what you did there :)
Elon Musk a Billionaire John Cadogan, not a billionaire, and you are right EVs are shitboxes.
Nope, don't get your point. Money doesn't mean better, dude !
Messrs Ponzi and Savundra were also very wealthy.
You were serious about JD Power being independent??
Curious to know, if these Chinese-made EVs have crash tests, or are these figures sent by (The said Car Companies), do know if they will be crash tested here? And will they be given safety stars based on Australian Standards?
What were the problems?
Fixed by over the air updates?
Thanks John. Keep up the good work.
I would be interested to see the breakdown of faults into a number of categories, those that are common to all vehicles irrespective of power train, those only applicable to EVs, those only applicable to petrol engine vehicles, those only applicable to diesel engine vehicles.
I have recently owned two JLR vehicles in succession, the first with a diesel engine the second being a BEV. The BEV having had more faults, but these were on items that would be common to both vehicles! 2 door handles and one filler cap release on the EV, vs no faults on the diesel, both vehicles owned from delivery milage to about 40,000 miles. The retractable door handles (visibly the same on both cars) are what gets me, I probably operated them about the same number of times (neither failure was to the drivers door) whereas the EV fuel flap is definitely used more often at about once per day vs once per week.
Yeah... there are a lot of things on newer cars that people don't understand that absolutely imlact reliability.
That needs to be fixed - and it will.
But the size of the icon on the monitor is not a reliability issue. No indicator going on - that would be an issue.
So unreliable...
I think a better situation would involve monitoring the time it takes to correct safety-critical items, and the number of vehicls with these items. I think this is done...
If you are talking about a traditional Demming Way/TQM manufacturing process it will take months to years.
Someone like Tesla can turn fixes around in hours and deploy them with a software update in days. Because they break the TQM rules with continuous automation.
I think mostly what we are seeing is that new features are included in EVs, and they are not consistent.
If you wanted to track reliability properly you would say all cars without this feature failed (0 out of points).
Face it - you should be highlighting the fact that the feature is available before you begin to track failure rates
I saw the funniest thing the other week: a broken down Hyundai IONIQ 5 on the side of the road, with a roadside assistance dude trying (presumably in vain) to get it going again. Why he bothered going through the pantomime and just didn't call for a tow truck on the driver's behalf right off the bat is anyone's guess. And that's an EV made by one of the *most reliable* brands according to JD Power.
Ell. Oh. Ell.
This is why I hate car reviews. They love acar but can't review the reliability of it so everything they say means nothing.
Chinese cars holding onto the title of TOFU DREG
People are sniping at JD Power for some reason, but they are a very reputable rating company which use tens of thousands in their sample. And Consumer Reports, also very thorough say exactly the same thing as JDP.
And you think ICE cars are not controlled by computers?
An automatic transmission is controlled by a computer that reads the switches in the shifter and does the appropriate action. The same goes for the engine. Even the accelerator pedal is drive by wire.
It costs more oil product to manufacture the car than gas cars use up over their entire lifetime, No amount of simping fixes that