I'm back in a diesel after 4yrs running both EV & PHEV. What needs to change to get me to go back?
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- Why I've gone back to driving a diesel after 2 years with an EV and then 2.5 years driving a PHEV as our family car. What needs to change to get me to go back to EV?
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So 63% of new car buyers are fleet buyers... they are heavily incentivised into EVs... but when those EVs come off the lease, there isn't an appetite for them in the 2nd hand market... so it's really quite simple to see why the 2nd hand prices of EVs are bombing because supply is far outstripping demand. the government can publish whatever they like and blame Rowan Atkinson but that's the simple facts and maths of it.
These cars are not going to the second hand market yet. The second hand car market is now suffering from too much stock after the post Covid supply chain crisis, when residuals went up, and now come down again.
@@jone8626 Hear hear !!
@@jone8626 My Jag always breaks down, so I'll never buy another car with a combustion engine. That's the level of your logic.
@@splashmaster2000 will never buy Jag only! 😂
@@WouterHermansover 700 Taycan’s and over 700 e-Tron’s on auto trader right now, with Taycan’s starting in the £40k region and e-Trons less than £20k. They definitely are starting to outstrip demand in the 2nd hand market.
I think that the worst problems with new cars are the driver interference and distraction systems.
I’m saving that one for another video 😉
And all those dings and dongs !
They are so clever, that they are stupid.
@@harrysgarage Really wish journalist would start to acutally talk about how bad many of theese systems work. How in there right mind thought is was god to make it mandatory. They are horrible on any other than a bright sunny july day, not to talk about when it's snow on the road.
Then this madness about going full touch screen. Whyyyy, it's so slow to use, the Van at work was a diesel and is now electric of the same model (due to the same reason mentioned here + to please the investors). But for some reason they felt the need to fit it with a utterly garbage touch screen that takes forever to just boot up. Not to talk about to just change the stupid radio station. also the sound qulity has gone down the drain, it's sound utterly garbage
It also used to beep at everyting but solwed that with driving a screw driver through the speaker. Oh heavens the quiteness.....
The headlights are becoming an issue. I struggle to drive at night in the rain with oncoming traffic. They need dialled down, a LOT.
What a breath of fresh air and common sense. I couldn’t agree more.
Fresh air‽
What fresh air lmao, you like it because you agree with the title and that's it.
Same things are being said since 2012 at least
In my country EV's cost double and in some cases triple the price of internal combustion engine cars... plus power is not cheap here unless you have solar. So there's really no incentive for anyone to buy EV's and if car dealers stop selling EV's they will go out of business because people will just drive and repair their old cars. Even rental companies dont offer EV's here because it doesn't make any sense.
The world isn't the UK or America, so good luck phasing ICE cars out by 2030, you will go out of business very quickly.
I work in the used car industry everything this man is saying is true. Used EV sales are bombing HARD
ok as a second emergency car that you can trickle charge. about it. when they hit 5k might get i suppose
*if* that we true then it's only going to increase EV adoption
@@Cecil-yc6mc like old laptops and phones?
@Cecil-yc6mc You're looking at it strangely I think. If you have to dump a product at pennies on the dollar to shift it thats hardly a time to get bullish on the future of that product.
Because they are waiting for the new tech and cheaper EV Im Pro PHEV it makes sense
Harry, I did agree with you 100%, but that has already dropped to 87%...
😂👍
That’s brilliant humour!!
@adrianrowden8266 what kind of climate are you in? 😂😂
I suspect I won't get much back from commenting, despite the incentives
It might come back up when the weather warms up.
I live in a hot country so I can only half agree with you....!
22:23 Strongly agree on putting an efficiency rating on electric cars, they put it on TVs and other electric appliances why not on cars? Just because there are "zero" emissions doesn't mean you get to comsume all the electricity without care, resources are needed to produce electricity with or without fossil fuels.
Wow didn't expect to see you here lol
That is such BS since BEV are so much more efficient already. Also, a stronger BEV does not mean it is less efficient - on the contrary - it can recoup more electricy into the battery when braking.
A lot of EV people want that to happen and have been pushing for it
@@cyman777It’s not BS. More mass, means more power is required to move it. Look at the size of the battery on the new hummer. There’s a reason it’s a bit bigger than a Prius!
@@cyman777 We are talking about the efficency of the vehicle, not just the powertrain alone, pal
The 7% of total CO2 from cars/bikes was a real shock … and absolutely agree that manaufacturers are too focussed on the wrong performance, bring down costs and increase distance … who really gives a jot about 0-60 … my friend has stepped out of the i-Pace after 3-yrs (£77k new, trade in £21k!!!!!) for petrol Q5 and now enjoys driving again
7% may not be enough to justify the little discomfort he has to go through of having to wait more time at a charger but for the 8 billion people not as old as him it will be a question of life and death…
@@jonasweber9408 Electric cars do not result in zero CO2, just less. If if all cars on the road were electric, total CO2 would be reduced by a lot less than 7%.
@@andrewtempest6792 yes of course I know It depends of a lot of variables nether the less switching to EVs while greatly reducing the number of cars on the road is better than doing nothing… 😞
And it deeply sadden me as a passionate of cars
You do realise that the electricity ⚡️ used to power an EV is not CO2 free?
Also scrapping ICE cars prematurely, long before they’re worn out, has a massive cost in terms of the emissions to build a new vehicle.
Why thou ? Who gives a shit about CO2, I drive my Polo from 2011 with over 230k km still, the thing cost me 10k back in the day. I could never drive that cheap owning an EV.
What a great video! I could not have explained all of those points in the video any better. I think that everyone who is contemplating buying a new car should watch this video. Thanks for taking the time to explain in a way that is easy to understand.
As an EV owner of 5 years and also a 6 cylinder petrol car, this is one of the best and most balanced videos I’ve seen about EVs and agree with pretty much everything you say
As an EV owner yourself what is your opinion of EVs?
@@doriangray6985 I love the way they drive, the instant torque and speed of them and they are very cheap to run if home charging on a good EV tariff. I very rarely public charge so that makes life less stressfull and much cheaper. Remote heating and cooling is ace as Is the defrost function. The Tesla app is miles ahead of anything else out there too, whether EV or ICE.
Having no key as such, no on/off button and just using a phone which automatically locks and unlocks as you walk up to it makes it a breeze.
But… depreciation is horrible on them, they are very difficult to trade in at most dealers and I wouldn’t buy one personally. Like prob 90% of owners, (from what main dealers say the figure is vs personal buyers), the tax breaks, low BIK is what made me (my company) get one so it was really sold on incentives rather than me actually wanting one. Take away these incentives for tax etc and I would imagine the EV market would almost collapse overnight.
This is the only scenario where it will work.
A little EV charging up at home where you only ever run it to the shops and back, [so maximum lifetime capacity for the batteries is maintained]
and also own an ICE engine car to use for when you need to use a vehicle to actually do anything.
Absolutely brilliant journalism, you need to make a speech in front of the House of Commons
Wouldn't happen unfortunately as we'd all realise , that yet again the government tells lies.
Just look at Tony Blair ...Weapons of mass destruction.
please don't. Harrys reasons for not buying an EV are pretty weak.
@@kevinashurst634 You mean like the cost, the resale, the range, the problems with insurance and the vanishing battery power? Yes, what WAS he going on about?
@@kevinashurst634I think you accidentally watched one video and commented on this one by mistake!
@@kevinashurst634 : Our only car is an EV, and we are smitten with it. This video raises questions for us; I would not dismiss it lightly.
The EV works great for us. It would not work well enough to consider for four out of five of our neighbours. There is a really strong case for use as a second car.
Harry, thank you for putting this across so comprehensively, and fairly. Spot on!
My 17 years old corolla still has 100% mile efficiency.
Except it needs to be serviced twice a year
@@therpope Service is cheap
I don't understand the problem, if your EV doesn't give you the performance you want just give it to your butler and buy a new one.... easy solution
It was high time for someone to say how things really are, giving fact and figures to support their speech. Thumbs up for you Harry!
I can't think of a presenter better suited to expounding upon these truths than Harry Metcalfe. Thank you, sir, for being a stoic & eloquent voice of reason in this current climate of idiocy.
The battery degradation was a car with nearly 250,000km on it.
He made his points very well. I think one area where EVs make perfect sense (apart from their current massive sizes and weights) would be in big cities.
EV delivery vans and an EV K-car culture (little Honda E, VW e-Up etc) around places like London would be great. Quiet, being used in the environment they are made for, not 2.7ton SUV EVs that only ever see a kerb at their local schools!
I lived in Germany for close to 15years. If you wanted to buy a car (pre EVs) the dealer would ask you what sort of journeys you did mainly, and how many Km a year. If you said I do 5000km in and around town doing errands etc, they would almost refuse to sell you a diesel as that would not make sense. If however you did 30,000km mostly shooting between big cities on the autobahn, a diesel was your only option!
I have a diesel now, however after moving house and WFH being enforced on me, we do bugger all long journeys, so a small petrol or an EV home charged would be perfect!
Euro standards made engines get more efficient, but OEMs then made their cars fatter negating all those gains!
Battery health and a proper Use Case profile should be used to steer you towards your next car!
Great you chose the diesel, but I still can't understand why it had to be an SUV and not a large Estate! BMW 5 series with an efficient 2.0 TDI! I'd go for the Skoda Superb, it's superb in every way!
Didn't mention that local pollution for electricity is zero... While however good thinks his diesel is it still producing heavy particle pollution that causes cancer.
At the end of the day nobody is going to tell me what I drive. It’s down to personal opinion. If you don’t like EV’s then don’t buy one simple.
@@philiphawkins4684 Yes, for pollution yo need to consider the pollution that may not be local-at the source(s) of electricity, many of which merrily continue to produce CO2 in order to produce those, ahem, "green" electrons.
Excellent talk. Thank you.
RS. Canada
This is absolutely brilliant Harry, thanks for putting the video together. Very, very informative and has helped me decide on the energy input for my next car!
28 minutes and 45 seconds of pure common sense . I learnt a lot . Thank you Harry .
Only half the story, but if that's what you want to hear, then fair enough!
What is the othwr half? @@RobH.
@@RobH. Yes, what's the other half of the story? Or is your post nonsense with no evidence to back up your claims?
@@RobH.That’s a throwaway comment if ever I saw one. The Internet is full of them these days 😂
@@motri5935he's a bit glib but I think Harry did briefly cover the other side of the coin when he did refer to the overall drive of carbon reduction. Where harry slightly gets it not "wrong" but badly valued is where he talks about the "cars are only 7% of emissions" and people may take it as an excuse that we shouldnt bother. The fact is 7% is still massive!
I really like this video and I personally took it as guidance on what we should be doing to get it right and not why we shouldn't all throw it in and buy a diesel.
If ever there was a Harry's Garage episode that should take 4 hours... this is it!!! Brilliant insight!!!
For the first time since the L320, the RRS looks pretty again!
Hardly. I wonder what has really upset Harry?
@@grahamcook9289 don't like what ya heard eh?
@@grahamcook9289 you heard him right mate, spoke nothing but facts
Quentin Wilson would be pulling his hair out watching this.
Well done mate. Got a modern 8 seater van diesel which I love and was thinking of getting rid of it because of a kinda guilt feeling. But now you've taken all the geek work out for me and laid it out nicely. I'll be travelling Europe in it soon and know now it's the right vehicle to use. What a wonderful and much needed informational chapter. Always have watch you. Admire your brains. Thank you for doing this.
Thank you Harry. Great video with sound reasons for your purchase.
Journalistic integrity, something lost long ago in the car review world in preference to advertising cash and pandering to manufacturers to ensure they are invited to test the future cars. Love what you're doing Harry and thanks for doing it.
Wow. Quoting James Titcomb and Matt Oliver from the Telegraph... two "men" paid to side with the conservative, fossil fuelers. Then quoting a failing Toyota chairman who has company in shambles with a debt to equity ratio of 0.59 versus Tesla's 0.07. Toyota has over $220 billion in debt. Tesla virtually $0. Toyota only makes $1200 per car sold. Tesla's profit per car? $8279. That is why the prices are dropping. The fact that Tesla can drop their new car prices, means the used EV market is dropping as well. EV retain approximately 48% of their value after 5 years, versus ICE cars, which is around the 40% mark. The fact list goes on. You most entitled to owning a diesel soccer mum pusher. Enjoy standing at the bowser at $1.88 a litre and being left at the light by a stock standard BYD.
There is no journalistic integrity in the USA.
I believe manufacturers come to Harry precisely for his unbiased, real-world and zero bullshit reviews and feedback on their products...
You’re forgetting Harry’s role as a consultant for JLR, I am sure that has no bearing on what he is plugging here. Pardon the pun.
@@kramer26You can’t say he was unbiased. I can’t help feeling like he’s been quite negative about EVs here. Why did he cherry pick the huge anomaly of the 2011 nissan leaf that had know battery issues to highlight degradation?
Harry I live in a council flat. I’m on the breadline but even if I could afford a car I’ve 0 chances of home charging . Like millions of others who can just about afford an old fiesta or something.
Love your vids on both channels ❤❤
Exactly. EVs - if you live in a flat, you're screwed. Or do you have the spare time to spend (approximate figures) an hour charging for every 200 miles you want to drive?
The major problem is not EVs - it’s the lack of a charging network. The people who ignore that are the ‘I’m alright, Jack, I charge at home’ brigade - great for you, not for others.
(Oh, and if an EV works for your particular situation, do tell us all, because that means they work for everyone.)
Me 2 👍
People falling over extension cables because you haven't got a off street drive way and claiming off insurance companies will also be a problem
When EV's first became a thing I thought of exactly your situation. In densely populated areas with apartment / high rise homes, what was supposed to be the charging solution even if everyone could afford an EV? Would there be a new mass construction of "Park and Ride" type sites - "Park and Charge" (and ride a bus back to your home location which may not be five minutes walk away?).
Also if "Park and Charge" (on large scale) sites existed, imagine the safety risk of having that many Lithium batteries in one location.
@@julianevans9548 There *are* many problems with EV's, and it's not just the charging network. Upfront cost, depreciation, insurance etc.
Excellent presentation. Thank you.
By Far the best video I have seen discussing the realities of electric vehicles. So much wisdom here. Subscribed & Thank You.
Mind boggling levels of sensible and logical thinking from Harry.
There always is ,thankfully
What's mind boggling is the people making the decisions about what we will be allowed to drive in the future don't seem to have the same levels of sensible
actually nothing is sensible. It is clear that none of you live in a big city; if you did, the noxes and diesel fumes would make you want to have the power to remove all diesels from existence. Trust me on this one. (from a diesel owner in the mid 2000s)
edit. imo, diesels should be banned from getting into cities or alternatively, their owners charged hard for taking their cars within city limits. If you live in a quiet town or village, in the country-side, I understand why you cannot relate to this situation but, trust me when I'm saying it.. I am sick and tired to breath diesel fumes just from going on a walk in the neighborhood. We, those who live in the cities, have the right to breath clean air as well.
@@eugenux that’s fine, but the reality is that not everyone does live in a city. And even the people that do are still entirely dependant on countless diesel vehicles serving their needs. Needs that are not close to being met by BEV vehicles.
Speak to people in the Scottish highlands about how well electric cars work for them…
@@eugenux what fricking diesel fumes if it's a euro 6d car? Come on stop the bullshitting. I got a diesel for long distances not for a damned city
Genuinely think electric should be for city cars / bike / electric scooters. Keep them cheap and cheerful
100%. I’ve an i3S and though I think it’s brilliant, I’d be the first to admit that in many ways it’s a glorified pram and in no way replaces an actual car with a Winter range of less than 200 miles. It goes back in March and I won’t be getting another EV.
I’ve driven an EV for 4 years, used it for road trips all over Europe. So that statement is not correct
Agree.
12 years ago Renault showed us the way with the Twizy (2012). I have one and love it!
India use CNG powered cars ,trucks and buses .Some of the CNG is made from household waste .Twin scuba diving sized tanks don't rob boot space like LPG tanks .
I'm glad the BS around electric cars is finally coming out. The range is ridiculous, a manufacturer tells you 300 miles and you'll be lucky to get 150-200 out of it and its a complete money pit.
So I'm sure your gas car has always been getting EXACTLY the manufacturer suggested consumption in EVERY possible condition.
It's called a test cycle. Every car goes through the same. Gas cars, EVs, etc. My last car was rated at 4.3l/100km. Reality was close to 6l. Almost 50% more.
Your reaction is BS as well. Name 1 petrol car that has achieved the official mpg figures...
Tells you 300 miles, get 200 miles. But to not completely clap out the battery within a a few years, don’t drop below 20% charge and don’t charge above 80%. So you operate on 60%. So your real mileage is actually 120.
Classic
@@driller_e8098 It is absolutely not a problem to use the full battery when you need it. Pretty much doesn't influence the lifetime in any way.
won't change anything, the "elites" want to remove private mobility completely
Superb Video , explained everything so clearly and to the point, well done.👍
Watching Harry throughout this video, was like walking into a classroom and
sitting there as a very smart professor, gives you a lesson in a subject and you suddenly
just get it!!
Many people could have waffled on for hours but Harry, you managed to get so much details and
information into a relatively short 28 minutes.
The current car market place has so many similar traits, as when back in 2006/7, manufacturers were
seemingly only pushing diesel as the solution to reduce Co2 emissions.
We all know how that turned out, sticking diesel engines into cars that should never have had them and selling
them to people who should never have bough them (like city runabouts, only doing short, stop-start trips).
It very much feels like that again, only this time manufacturers have put literally everything into EV, with no
alternative or backup plan.
Absolutely brilliant job there Harry.
Surely the alternative to diesel was petrol, hybrids and diesels... Or did they appear from nowhere?
the reason was the road tax
@@EP-bb1rm
"If I want to drive something quick,. I've got the toys" - proceeds to point at the Lamborghinis 😀. Never change Harry!
“Something very quick surely”🤔😂 not that a RRS is not fast by many standards.
Don't you just love his humour.
Great video, absolutley super. Thank you for this
Excellent and straight to the point, sir. Keep on the good work!
Bjorn Nyland is indeed doing a great job in comparing EV's.
And most of them rather disappoint in terms of range and charging capacity,even with big battery
@@giuistefanjr72I disagree. We rarely use fast chargers and drive 20k+ km per year. EVs have more than enough range for most people. Bjørn has proven this over and over again with the 1000km challanges.
@@amundalfredsen3479 We have driven our Chevrolet Bolt EUV comfortably for trips of 1200 miles. We stop to eat and charge, sleep and charge, and once a day, waste time for a charge.
Most of the time, it is charging at home, and traveling anywhere in our metropolitan area of 7 million people.
@@amundalfredsen3479 How much are you towing? Many people like to tow a caravan.
in UK it seems that there are 550 000 caravans. Its like 1% of population?@@robertkubrick3738
The man is a genius - proper car journalism - informative and gives you a real world insight into what is what!
sorry no, it was poor, About as good as Mr Beans article in teh Guardian.
Geoff buys cars TH-cam has been covering this subject for the last couple of years.
@@S-Ltd1000 yes he has. To be fair he does great click bait, but sadly short on facts, like his stupid oppo macmaster. They are youtube prostitutes.
Incredibly well put together, glad I've seen this video now before going down the EV Route. The details on the range is staggering.
such a great presentation thank you Harry
I'm in my late 50s and I've just bought myself a little Peugeot 107 (which is effectively a Toyota Aygo.) I was just sick of being fleeced by the government on road tax, paying through the nostrils for fuel and watching cars sit in the office car park depreciating. As 95% of my driving is around town a petrol city car makes sense and the best thing is it's an absolute hoot to drive. 68bhp is enough in a tiny car on city roads. I've had all sorts of vehicles from rip-snorting motorbikes to flaying carpet luxury cars but this little Peugeot is an absolute gem. It feels like a spiritual successor to the original Mini. It's basic motoring and that suits me fine..
Have you seen the bill for replacing a worn wiper motor on those cars 🤔
You use all of your 68 hp so you are continually throttling it to top revs without even having some payload or mountains well that is efficient and especially fun 👍
So true! I borrowed a Citroen C1 (same car) from my brother for about two weeks. It always made me smile. Fun to drive, easy to park and cheap to be fueled!
I suspect this is the same car as a Toyota Wigo, which is a rebadged Daihatsu.
@robertkbrick3738
The Aygo/C1/107 was a new design all built on the same line in Czechoslovakia, shared costs between the two manufacturers (Citroen and Peugeot really being 1 manufacturer). Daihatsu had nothing to do with it.
Best video I have seen all year. Proper journalism, proper reasoning, this is what we need. I really hope someone is listening because this needs to be heard
Any ordinary person knows all this, which is why they stay with gas.
@@johnsmith1474 Tons of people have no idea about things like battery degradation or the disaster that is the public charging network etc. They just hear EVs are the future and then buy one and end up finding that it's not as great as they were told and either have to stick it out or take or huge hit on the depreciation and switch back to ICE. This is good advice
Agree, Some of Harry's best work. Great logic
Nobody in power cares.
We have an opportunity to vote out anyone in power this year who wants to keep up the Net Zero insanity and war on the motorist@@fatfreddyscoat7564
Thanks for making this video and really educational
Very rich, informative, verifiable and real-world analysis. Thank you
Bjorn is terrific. I am glad you have found him.
Harry’s point 3, a reality check. A car is a device for moving people and things from A to B. It should be comfortable, efficient and safe for those inside and outside. The motor industry, consumer mentality and the financial services have got us here. We only have to stop buying for a few years. No one “needs” a new car after 3 years, we could think about buying cars that could be serviced and repaired at reasonable prices. When the factories get constipated maybe they’ll change their diet.
The customer is always right ,,,needs to be remembered.
@@Leonardo555ZZZsaid by someone who doesn’t deal with customers. They’re quite often wrong.
EVs last significantly longer than ICE and require less maintenance.
@@jameslove888 I dealt with customers for 17 years ,,,but you misunderstand ,,if customers stop buying a product , the makers are forced to change or else they will go out of business.
In the end , the customers as a group , are always right and will be the ultimate decider of which products succeed and which fail.
@@brettsta72 That remains to be seen ,,,battery degradation is real and battery replacement is a significant cost.
The best automotive journalist out there! Harry you are old enough to be my dad, driven everything on the planet, delivered intelligently 10/10
Just traded in my EV after a year and a half. It took a bit of convincing (and losing cash) from a BMW main dealer to accept it.
I had ALL of the issues discussed here.
I'm now back in a diesel.
Sensible man,this EV caper is just a con with there promises of cheaper running costs,I have a BMW diesel X3 which does 40+ mpg. There’s no way on this planet I will go electric whilst it’s cheaper to run diesel and have a range of over 600 miles in the tank,too much hassle going electric and nothing saved if you can’t charge at home, Harry has got this bang on,short journeys and around town with a small electric is ideal but for any real mileage trips there a waste of time and money.
Great to hear the truth about EVs. I am driving a 4 series BMW returning an average of 54mpg. A friend of mine spent almost 100k on a BMW EV and regrets it everyday and wishes he spent half that amount on the same car as me.
If politicians tell you to do something, the opposite is usually the better option.
Unfortunately, the tax payers have to foot the bill anyway, paying for the stupid decisions politicians made.
Yep, like labelling people who gosh give roper advice on EV's is somehow "hurting" EV sales!
This applies to all areas of life! ;)
I'd replace usually with always!!!!
My experience, but it is more like always and not usually.
Probably the best video ive seen anyone produce so far explaining how it is and with the right suggestions to move forward. 10/10 Mr Metcalfe
That was a very detailed and fair assessment in my book. Thank you for your time and dedication to bringing Real News to us all. SUBSCRIBED :)
But the guy is clueless on a lot of things about EVs, why do you listen to him in the first place?
@jonasweber9408 On what things is he clueless, he talks about cars he's ran and had experience with
@@jonasweber9408 some people just want their belief / position on a subject to be the right and only one. Open your eyes , ears, & mind to listen to reason. Then make your own educated decision for yourself. I made mine.
@@bigdh2os814 no but mate I’m not talking about opinions, if this guy said to you “you can put gas into a diesel car” you would not give credit to the guy.
That’s kind of the level of technically he has about EVs, I can’t take him seriously about EVs when he’s wrong about some basics…
@@jonasweber9408 And that's your Opinion that you so deserve.
Very sensible and thorough video. Thank you!
Finally, a mature, balanced assessment and a genuine reality check. Thanks Harry
Coming down from a 2.0l diesel Subaru Forester which could achieve 55mpg on a motorway run (loved that car) which could climb a snowy single track in the snow, I moved down to a Mazda CX3 1.5 diesel which is cramped but does never less than 65mpg and 75 mpg with a soft foot and has a mere £30 road tax. A no brainer when you're just an average pensioner and have to travel at least 10 miles to the nearest supermarket. I suspect this is the real world for most folk. I fill up once every 2 months.
Hyundai Kona Electric, 4yo on Autotrader at £13,495, still 1yr manufacturer warranty (4 years on battery and drivetrain), zero road tax, easily goes 250 miles/charge - you could do your supermarket run at least 12 times with that.
£60 worth of charging = 2550 miles (incl. 15% charging loss), how far do you get with £60 worth of diesel in the CX3?
How often have I changed brake pads and discs over the last 5 years / 110k miles? Never.
Your 75mpg is great, but the car will have disintegrated on your driveway after a couple of years as they don't put any anti-corrosion treatment on them. The days of well built Mazdas are but a distant memory.
I wish we could get the Forester diesel (and Toyota diesel pick up trucks) in the U.S.
55 mpg is extraordinary, not to mention 75!
Americans would never buy those little cars, diesel or not. We have a 20 year old Prius that still gets 45 mpg at 65 mph and around 40 in city. But everyone around us has huge trucks and large SUVs because fuel is cheap.
If you are using Imperial gallons, then your Subaru would still be getting a respectable 45mpg (US gallon = 3.8 L), which is rather surprising even for a small SUV, but moreso because those are 4wd!
I am glad your garage hasn't gone up in fire.
This video is an oasis of calm amidst the current insanity. Thank you!
Finally someone who has the balls to call out why EV’s aren’t the best option no matter what Billy Bullshit Government officials come out with. Keep up the great work
Plenty of the other channels doing the same for ages...'Geoff Buys Cars' for example
@@DAVIDE-bk8by Geoff Buys Cars just jumped on the MacMaster bandwagon.....those that are savvy already knew this EV dream was exactly that , a dream 🤣
He said they are making the wrong cars. Because we can build powerful EVs does not mean that is the only sort we should be making. I agree. Love or Hate Tesla they are still leading the pack in most aspects of EVs.
Charge at home £5.77 for 250 miles what is not to like plus de-seisel particulates and asthma and climate change ffs
@@ianthompson2516 The price of energy is set by political reasons. Diesel particles is not a problem anymore. Climate change is a natural thing, and there is no climate-crisis. Some diesels, Mercedes is one of them, emit pure breathable air . A Mercedes EV in Germany, is powered by electricity made by burning lignite, the most polluting fuel known, except for burning used tires.
Go Harry go .You are really good highlighting the v.many faults / difficulties attached to owning an electric car.
Superb video and commentary.
Agree with every one of your points.
As a 7 year early adopter we have to see EVs as just part of the solution, not the only answer.
There's a massive mis-match between what they are producing and what people want. Real working people haven't got wheelbarrows of cash they can afford to lose in massive depreciation, let alone the cost of a new vehicle these days.
That's the hook, they don't want normal people to have private transport.
This is by far the best video I have seen explaining how the car market is heading...thank you Harry.
Very good breakdown. Thank you for this!
Every thing you say is spot on! I wish more people understood all this.
You're a flippin' legend Harry! Thanks for summing it up so well.
It's almost as if they don't want us 'peasants' driving cars anymore. But i'm sure you'll be fine Harry.
Actually, if you live in London then you will know that "they" don't!
@@shadowx2k2007 Eh?
WEF 15 minute living zones
Many thanks. i understand your views. Still running my 12 reg mondeo diesel.
Very well done. An honest assessment finally presented and with data to back it up.
What an absolutely brilliant informative and common sense video. Well done Harry for such an objective discussion - Hat's off to you Sir 👏 👍
Do remember that Harry also promoted full EV cars but now that the truth is out there his tune has changed.
Bjorn is a legend! 💯
Agree🤩 Bjørn Nyland is the reason we bought our S85D in 2015. Greetings from Oslo Norway😊
always worthy of a little listening time. All that technology shown and available on the dashboard and yet they hide the important stuff, great practical comments thanks.
This is so very interesting! Thank you for taking the time to put it up in numbers, so that WE, the average users of cars, understand & can compare what we should do when we buy a new car. Up here, in Quebec Canada, electricity is cheap, but its real cost is what WE, as a country, CAN'T do with it...i.e. industry investments, etc. We are owners of a gas car, and we are looking at an EV, not to replace but to complement. We have needs (camping, vacationing, traveling, etc) and are NOT YET willing to let go of the flexibility of owning a gas car...but we understand we need to be better consumer!
Nicely delivered - no emotion, factual and without an agenda. St Harry of Metcalfe thank you.
I have a Hyundai i-10. Bought it second hand with 50,000 miles on it. It does over 50mpg, £20 annual tax and is very cheap on maintenance. I only use it for popping about, about 3000 miles a year. Bloke at the garage told me as long as it's looked after should get 20 years of hassle free motoring from it, for virtually nothing. Cost me £3500 over two years ago, and I have not had a single problem with it. Starts first time and runs lovely. I don't get people who spend a fortune on cars.
30 years ago Hyundai had some issues, a coworker had one and it was crap. Last year I bought 3 Hyundai Accent diesels for family members and I expect all of them to get 60mpg for at least 10 years use. Things have changed. Resale on your i-10 is very good here, they are liked.
@@robertkubrick3738 That's brilliant news...cheers :-)....You know I been kinda working it out...and I reckon if I buy another petrol car just before they stop selling them in 2035 and I can get say 15-20 years out of it...I will never need to go electric.
@@kevinheath7588 Might get a couple late model and gently used for myself. Cheers
I have the Grand i10 and currently on 71 000 km have zero issues bought it Demo from the Dealer very affordable to run don’t see me selling it anytime soon
@@sa_supercarz8499 I just checked one of those Grand models out on Google, gets a really decent review and looks a fair bit better looks wise than my slightly older i-10 model, only thing is I can't find any here in the UK auto trader magazine, which is a shame.
Cool, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Outstanding video, Harry. Really thorough consideration of many factors, all backed up by science/data -> extremely compelling. Thanks for steering me away from EVs - you have potentially saved me a lot of money and grief!
Motoring journalism at it's finest 👍
If you like yesterday's thinking.
@@mariemccann5895 u can't be serious? have a little Joke with us I'm sure...😊
Harry, you're a Legend 👏This video needs to go viral!
Absolutely!
It's hardly breaking news that people want to keep driving big SUV Diesels..... That's why the government have had to legislate
Why does it need to go viral? Because you have an irrational persecution complex?
If it goes viral then he'll be fzct checked and realise half the stuff is factually incorrect.
A very honest review at last, enjoy the new car and safe driving
Harry it just goes to show electric car s are just a big con I drive diesels can't beat them so great choice having the Rangerover😊
Just brilliantly presented facts that seem to not be understood by the media at large.
Every politician should be made to watch this video.
It doesn't matter how brilliantly presented the facts are, they will not persuade politicians to become apostates from the new religion of net zero.
harry and clarkson should be in charge
UK Politicians don't seem to like EVs themselves, so why should the VOTERS?
Sadly our politicians are very much misguided and misinformed these days. The lobby groups with the most convincing stories (even if completely untrue) are being believed.
I don't know how we can fix that.
And educated politicians don't make good media personalities.
It's almost like, if you can speak well and are entertaining but know nothing, you'll do as our leader. SMH.
In Sweden there are used car companies who specialise in electric cars. They test the battery and you get a certificate detailing the condition, degradation, etc.
That is not going to convince people.
@@Art-is-craftWhy not?
@@Art-is-craft er, you can get your ICE "Inspected" by experts as well, and that convinces people. WHen i bought my M3 the owner had had a "condition inspection" report pepared by the AA (a UK motoring organsiation) and that seemed to be worth something?
So why wouldn't a BEV that has been inspected be similarly worthwhile??
Dogmatism
Any EV buyer should demand this as part of the sale.
Absolutely brilliant take on the current state of the EV market. I've absolutely no plans to change to electric anytime soon, and after watching this great video I'm glad I haven't taken the plunge.
My wife is a private nurse and drives around all day visiting patients at their homes she has to drive up hills, has her heater on as she’s in the car all day.
If she was driving an EV she couldn’t do her job and patient care quality would drop as their isn’t an EV out there that can cope with that amount of use in a day without having to charge the battery 2 or 3 times a day.
She’s drives a diesel and doesn’t have ‘range anxiety’.
EVs are only suitable for local low range driving and are not practical for most people as a daily use car.
A friend of mine has a diesel polo and and id4, I said to him why haven’t you got rid of the diesel polo - he said to me that we can’t rely on the id4 as the range sucks and need a diesel just in case.
In which case I think why did he get an id4 in the first place! - he might as well just stuck with the polo!
Following Bjorn for years.. He has come longs way with knowledge of electrical cars. Very good videos .I think electrical car companies see his reviews.!
Bjorn is the benchmark as far as I am concerned!
How can Harry not be an advisor to the Government and industry. Outstanding explanation.
Government don't want advisors to tell them the truth. They want advisors to tell them what they want to hear to justify policy decisions.
Probably because Harry says things that most Politicians and Government don't want to hear.
because he is factually incorect #alwaysbecharging
*incorrect 😅@@electricfelix
It's not an explanation, all he did was try to justify why he's getting a Diesel RR sport 😂
Patrick Boyle sent me.
Absolutely sensationally spot on video that EVERY car owner/buyer should watch.The analyzes are to perfection.Many thanks Harry for this amazing contribution to the subject!Needs to be spreed on socials
Harry is so knowledgeable and is always able to explain it so well. Thank you, Harry 👍👍👍
Hats off to this gentleman's effort; I agree with his sentiment. I have three diesels: 2002 Excursion, 2013 VW Golf and 2015 VW Passat and I love all of them, For me, it is infuriating that the price of diesel is artificially held high here in NY even though the distillation process for diesel is cheaper than petrol. Here in upstate NY it regularly gets into the single digits over night and I would hate to think how an electric vehicle would fare if left outside for the winter and charged outside would be like. I don't know other people's experiences with electric and whether keeping them garaged overnight makes a difference in range but many people either don't have that luxury or desire to keep their vehicles inside overnight. I think industry needs to solve the vacation driving charging problem (ie fast replaceable battery packs) and the basic range problem across temperature extremes. Thanks for the great video.
Fantastic video, thank you Harry!
I've been looking to switch to electric for a while but the conditions just are not right yet. I've resorted to getting an ebike and cycle more, bigger impact and fair bit of money saved.
Well done. Makes a lot of sense.
Harry & team..
This vlog must be the most accurate and honest reasoning video I have ever seen, I can't argue with any of the facts you put forward... If only more people would just realise the actual numbers involved.
Nice one, Regards Steve
Terrific, factual content. Every motorist should watch this and start to educate themselves. Harry for Transport Minister!
Every politician should watch it!
And every non motorist as well.
I really liked your video on EVs, every thing you said is true.The part where talked about pollution was very good, but what about pollution from diesel trains diesel ships and pollution from jet airliners and not forgetting other industrial diesel machinery. What would they use to power them, the mind boggles as if our minds are not boggled enough.
Bjorn does have some great videos. Very informative
This one of your very best, Harry. You nailed all the issues.
Absolutely agree with you, madam or sir
Absolutely agree with you, madam or sir
Most of those issues he nailed were big luxury car buyer issues though.
Except saying we wanted to go on this co2 journey, I think it’s all crap.
It would be even better if Harry addressed the bigger issue of the fact that Co2 is a trace gas with human contribution being insignificant.
new cars are just insanely expensive. Actually no one can actually buy one.
I’m public sector worker, average wage, private buyer not salary sacrifice, no car allowance…….bought new Tesla in August. Love it..been driving EVs since 2012.
yes. its another section of the global ponzi scheme. if i had £20,000 i would copy harry.
@@ianjames3078 Id really needs to see your figures to back that up because I’m on decidedly above avg earning in the 90th percentile or so and even I have found EVs to be overpriced and just generally inconvenient compared to my ICE machines.
The EU wants to stop us repairing older cars. Also to buy an expensive car requires many trips to work, so lots of pollution.
They are not good for the environment either - nothing expensive is.
Yup - as we all know, it's increasingly, if not now wholly for many, judging the purchase just by how much it is per month rather than capital ticket cost has allowed manufacturers to stealthily and quietly raise the capital cost of cars up, up and up. Broadly same as happened with property purchase... many moons ago now
100% well said…brilliant ✊
Thank you for your point - I really agree to what you‘ve stated about the design of cars (you used BMW as an example) 👍
Great video Harry. The market for EVs is about to burst as you describe the litany of negative issues. Here in Canada, a recent EV driver slightly damaged the bottom of his EV battery in his 2-year old vehicle. The quote for a replacement battery was $60,000, more than the value of the car, so his insurance wrote off the car. Tell me the insane logic of this debacle. Early-adopter technology in anything new goes through these growing pains. Steer clear of EVs for the forseeable future until sanity returns.
Couldn't agree more,.insanity
what EV was it?
I believe it was a Hyundai.@@SNORKYMEDIA
@@SNORKYMEDIAit was Hyundai ioniq 5
The problem is - I also saw this story; it was covered on TV news. If TV news is picking it up, it's most likely not a very common occurrence.
I now feel very smug driving a £7K Vauxhall Insignia estate 1.6 Diesel. £20 P/A Tax, ULEZ free, 50-60mpg, 600+ mile range, space for family, all the comforts I need. I've driven it £100K miles with only normal servicing and diesel parts required. Happy days! 🙂
I can only imagine the sleepless nights some people must be having now with overstretching their financing commitments on these new cars now cost of living has gone through the roof and car market as corrected. Your setup must bring you some peace of mind and understandable smugness.
I know a guy that still lives at home into his 30's, got a wife and child. Drives a 50k Tesla!
So you’ve spent at least £12,000 on fuel on that 100,000 miles, at current diesel rates vs an EV charging at that home that would be £1000-£2000 in electric costs. So looking at total cost of ownership, running a second hand EV like the decent Kia Niro for about £17k is a good deal. They are about £15k on Autotrader so plenty of options out there. Will save a few grand on servicing vs your car and there a year or so left before road tax for EVs starts.. can be a fair bit less. Of course the Niro will still retain value over the years and you’ve burnt that diesel. Plenty for folks to think about.
@@joeynessily £2000 to do 100,000mls. Why has my neighbours electric bill gone up £200 a quarter since he bought his Tesla then?
@@cw3728 maybe they are an idiot who hasn’t got an EV specific electric tariff with overnight rates of 7.5p kWh when overnight charging. You can get that from Octopus right now. Tesla can do 4 miles per kWh… that’s 1.8 pence per mile. Or £1800 for 100,000 miles. I’ve had 4.5pkwh tariff locked since before the electric costs went to shit. So I can drive for 1 pence per mile if I don’t gun it everywhere.
Spot on your review. Let's hope those legislators listen and understand it
I run a 15 year old Fiat Panda and do around 100 miles per week. It cost £1500 a few years ago and wont return less than 50 mpg, rising to nearly 60 on a run. It is perfectly happy on a motorway, although the motorways in England are so crowded that it is unusual to get to 70mph, let alone faster ( Officer). Its manufacture was long ago so the only CO2 it creates is from its burning of fossil fuels, which is minimal and far outweighed by the manufacturing process CO2. The best thing I can do for the planet, and my pocket, is keep it running for ever. It even has a towbar fitted!
Finely put! I agree that this is one of your best videos! Masterclass in distorted market dynamics, you hit every single point: Customer needs vs absurd regulation, lack of proper information and facts, skewed stats, policy pushing and even a product being plain ugly because of design by committee, brilliant! Thank you!
Your best video ever! Thank you for a sane argument presented with facts, evidence and clarity. You pulled no punches and made a superb case!