So 63% of new car buyers are fleet buyers... they are heavily incentivised into EVs... but when those EVs come off the lease, there isn't an appetite for them in the 2nd hand market... so it's really quite simple to see why the 2nd hand prices of EVs are bombing because supply is far outstripping demand. the government can publish whatever they like and blame Rowan Atkinson but that's the simple facts and maths of it.
These cars are not going to the second hand market yet. The second hand car market is now suffering from too much stock after the post Covid supply chain crisis, when residuals went up, and now come down again.
@@WouterHermansover 700 Taycan’s and over 700 e-Tron’s on auto trader right now, with Taycan’s starting in the £40k region and e-Trons less than £20k. They definitely are starting to outstrip demand in the 2nd hand market.
@@harrysgarage Really wish journalist would start to acutally talk about how bad many of theese systems work. How in there right mind thought is was god to make it mandatory. They are horrible on any other than a bright sunny july day, not to talk about when it's snow on the road. Then this madness about going full touch screen. Whyyyy, it's so slow to use, the Van at work was a diesel and is now electric of the same model (due to the same reason mentioned here + to please the investors). But for some reason they felt the need to fit it with a utterly garbage touch screen that takes forever to just boot up. Not to talk about to just change the stupid radio station. also the sound qulity has gone down the drain, it's sound utterly garbage It also used to beep at everyting but solwed that with driving a screw driver through the speaker. Oh heavens the quiteness.....
@jonathancarson1974 Yeap they are brighter on dipped than older vehicles are on full beam. If I drive my off-roader in the dark, the lights from the vehicle behind can cause a shadow to be cast in front of it. They need to ban LED and go back to traditional lights.
22:23 Strongly agree on putting an efficiency rating on electric cars, they put it on TVs and other electric appliances why not on cars? Just because there are "zero" emissions doesn't mean you get to comsume all the electricity without care, resources are needed to produce electricity with or without fossil fuels.
That is such BS since BEV are so much more efficient already. Also, a stronger BEV does not mean it is less efficient - on the contrary - it can recoup more electricy into the battery when braking.
@@cyman777It’s not BS. More mass, means more power is required to move it. Look at the size of the battery on the new hummer. There’s a reason it’s a bit bigger than a Prius!
In my country EV's cost double and in some cases triple the price of internal combustion engine cars... plus power is not cheap here unless you have solar. So there's really no incentive for anyone to buy EV's and if car dealers stop selling EV's they will go out of business because people will just drive and repair their old cars. Even rental companies dont offer EV's here because it doesn't make any sense. The world isn't the UK or America, so good luck phasing ICE cars out by 2030, you will go out of business very quickly.
I can't think of a presenter better suited to expounding upon these truths than Harry Metcalfe. Thank you, sir, for being a stoic & eloquent voice of reason in this current climate of idiocy.
He made his points very well. I think one area where EVs make perfect sense (apart from their current massive sizes and weights) would be in big cities. EV delivery vans and an EV K-car culture (little Honda E, VW e-Up etc) around places like London would be great. Quiet, being used in the environment they are made for, not 2.7ton SUV EVs that only ever see a kerb at their local schools! I lived in Germany for close to 15years. If you wanted to buy a car (pre EVs) the dealer would ask you what sort of journeys you did mainly, and how many Km a year. If you said I do 5000km in and around town doing errands etc, they would almost refuse to sell you a diesel as that would not make sense. If however you did 30,000km mostly shooting between big cities on the autobahn, a diesel was your only option! I have a diesel now, however after moving house and WFH being enforced on me, we do bugger all long journeys, so a small petrol or an EV home charged would be perfect! Euro standards made engines get more efficient, but OEMs then made their cars fatter negating all those gains! Battery health and a proper Use Case profile should be used to steer you towards your next car! Great you chose the diesel, but I still can't understand why it had to be an SUV and not a large Estate! BMW 5 series with an efficient 2.0 TDI! I'd go for the Skoda Superb, it's superb in every way!
Didn't mention that local pollution for electricity is zero... While however good thinks his diesel is it still producing heavy particle pollution that causes cancer.
@@philiphawkins4684 Yes, for pollution yo need to consider the pollution that may not be local-at the source(s) of electricity, many of which merrily continue to produce CO2 in order to produce those, ahem, "green" electrons.
Harry I live in a council flat. I’m on the breadline but even if I could afford a car I’ve 0 chances of home charging . Like millions of others who can just about afford an old fiesta or something. Love your vids on both channels ❤❤
Exactly. EVs - if you live in a flat, you're screwed. Or do you have the spare time to spend (approximate figures) an hour charging for every 200 miles you want to drive? The major problem is not EVs - it’s the lack of a charging network. The people who ignore that are the ‘I’m alright, Jack, I charge at home’ brigade - great for you, not for others. (Oh, and if an EV works for your particular situation, do tell us all, because that means they work for everyone.)
When EV's first became a thing I thought of exactly your situation. In densely populated areas with apartment / high rise homes, what was supposed to be the charging solution even if everyone could afford an EV? Would there be a new mass construction of "Park and Ride" type sites - "Park and Charge" (and ride a bus back to your home location which may not be five minutes walk away?). Also if "Park and Charge" (on large scale) sites existed, imagine the safety risk of having that many Lithium batteries in one location.
Outstanding video, Harry. Really thorough consideration of many factors, all backed up by science/data -> extremely compelling. Thanks for steering me away from EVs - you have potentially saved me a lot of money and grief!
As an EV owner of 5 years and also a 6 cylinder petrol car, this is one of the best and most balanced videos I’ve seen about EVs and agree with pretty much everything you say
@@doriangray6985 I love the way they drive, the instant torque and speed of them and they are very cheap to run if home charging on a good EV tariff. I very rarely public charge so that makes life less stressfull and much cheaper. Remote heating and cooling is ace as Is the defrost function. The Tesla app is miles ahead of anything else out there too, whether EV or ICE. Having no key as such, no on/off button and just using a phone which automatically locks and unlocks as you walk up to it makes it a breeze. But… depreciation is horrible on them, they are very difficult to trade in at most dealers and I wouldn’t buy one personally. Like prob 90% of owners, (from what main dealers say the figure is vs personal buyers), the tax breaks, low BIK is what made me (my company) get one so it was really sold on incentives rather than me actually wanting one. Take away these incentives for tax etc and I would imagine the EV market would almost collapse overnight.
This is the only scenario where it will work. A little EV charging up at home where you only ever run it to the shops and back, [so maximum lifetime capacity for the batteries is maintained] and also own an ICE engine car to use for when you need to use a vehicle to actually do anything.
@@robg521This just isn’t true, we have an EV that can do all the local stuff as well as being able to do 250+ miles before charging (with other models getting even more than that) and it charges very quickly when it does need to. The biggest problem with EVs imo is the cost not the range or anything about the experience (though charging infrastructure does still need improvements).
@@kevinashurst634 You mean like the cost, the resale, the range, the problems with insurance and the vanishing battery power? Yes, what WAS he going on about?
@@kevinashurst634 : Our only car is an EV, and we are smitten with it. This video raises questions for us; I would not dismiss it lightly. The EV works great for us. It would not work well enough to consider for four out of five of our neighbours. There is a really strong case for use as a second car.
@@kevinashurst634He'll love that comment, well worth putting foil on his hat. For the run to Benidorm, personally I would have chosen the Saab Bio and run down on Superethanol at €0.85 per litre using 85% less fossil fuel. In fact allowing Superethanol in the UK would save 85% of all fossil fuel in the UK Petrol fleet That is better than batteries.
Outside chargers are never under cover, often around the back of a carpark and difficult to find in a poorly lit area. Then you arrive in the dark and its raining. So with the water running down your neck you are trying to read the connection instructions. Get it wrong and they just dump you to back to square one. The card reader is often low down and with water on the screen very difficult to use. Even on a good visit, it takes 3 minutes. Its a killer when you find there is no WiFi to join yet another club. Add to that when you get there, you find another car is pulling all the power, and not enough for you. We have had our Kia Soul 30KW for 3 years and love it. Being retired we rarely go on long journeys, but we plan where we will stop, coffee, shopping etc, no problem. We are still getting 135 forecast miles in the summer, but that drops to 95 when its really cold. We always charge at home over-night with the granny charger, no problem.
@@motri5935he's a bit glib but I think Harry did briefly cover the other side of the coin when he did refer to the overall drive of carbon reduction. Where harry slightly gets it not "wrong" but badly valued is where he talks about the "cars are only 7% of emissions" and people may take it as an excuse that we shouldnt bother. The fact is 7% is still massive! I really like this video and I personally took it as guidance on what we should be doing to get it right and not why we shouldn't all throw it in and buy a diesel.
Watching Harry throughout this video, was like walking into a classroom and sitting there as a very smart professor, gives you a lesson in a subject and you suddenly just get it!! Many people could have waffled on for hours but Harry, you managed to get so much details and information into a relatively short 28 minutes. The current car market place has so many similar traits, as when back in 2006/7, manufacturers were seemingly only pushing diesel as the solution to reduce Co2 emissions. We all know how that turned out, sticking diesel engines into cars that should never have had them and selling them to people who should never have bough them (like city runabouts, only doing short, stop-start trips). It very much feels like that again, only this time manufacturers have put literally everything into EV, with no alternative or backup plan. Absolutely brilliant job there Harry.
100%. I’ve an i3S and though I think it’s brilliant, I’d be the first to admit that in many ways it’s a glorified pram and in no way replaces an actual car with a Winter range of less than 200 miles. It goes back in March and I won’t be getting another EV.
India use CNG powered cars ,trucks and buses .Some of the CNG is made from household waste .Twin scuba diving sized tanks don't rob boot space like LPG tanks .
Finely put! I agree that this is one of your best videos! Masterclass in distorted market dynamics, you hit every single point: Customer needs vs absurd regulation, lack of proper information and facts, skewed stats, policy pushing and even a product being plain ugly because of design by committee, brilliant! Thank you!
Best video I have seen all year. Proper journalism, proper reasoning, this is what we need. I really hope someone is listening because this needs to be heard
@@johnsmith1474 Tons of people have no idea about things like battery degradation or the disaster that is the public charging network etc. They just hear EVs are the future and then buy one and end up finding that it's not as great as they were told and either have to stick it out or take or huge hit on the depreciation and switch back to ICE. This is good advice
It starts with the sales persons stating range figures that are based on eco mode but not revealing that to customers, and that’s what happened to me! I only found out after I bought the car and went back to report range was badly out. Buyer beware !these people are still second hand car sales persons and no different from the old days of, would you trust a used car sales person? 🙈
The diesel MPG scandal was because they were cheating the test. The problem with EVs is that the test is garbage. It would be good if ALL cars have to go through a proper real world efficiency test cos I certainly don't believe the quoted MPG or EV range on anything that is for sale.
@@timvins Yes you can as the goods were misreprented. All EV ranges are if the battery is at 100%. Remember the advice is to charge to 80% so immediately that takes 20% off the range. Use heating or aircon,lights or wipers and more range is lost. The EV is a totally barmy idea,anyone considering buying one should ignore the environmental lobbyist as they are clueless
@@Anonymous-ib8so The ranges are accurate for how they are measured. If you're going 55 miles an hour like they rate them at, you'll get under 250 Wh/mile. If you're going 80, it's gonna be over 333 Wh/mi. It's almost like drastically increasing your wind resistance matters if your motor is actually efficient instead of getting garbage mileage whether you're making 50 hp or 10.
Harry’s point 3, a reality check. A car is a device for moving people and things from A to B. It should be comfortable, efficient and safe for those inside and outside. The motor industry, consumer mentality and the financial services have got us here. We only have to stop buying for a few years. No one “needs” a new car after 3 years, we could think about buying cars that could be serviced and repaired at reasonable prices. When the factories get constipated maybe they’ll change their diet.
@@jameslove888 I dealt with customers for 17 years ,,,but you misunderstand ,,if customers stop buying a product , the makers are forced to change or else they will go out of business. In the end , the customers as a group , are always right and will be the ultimate decider of which products succeed and which fail.
YOUR NOT WRONG HARRY I AM A CAR TRADER FOR 50 YEARS TRIED ONE OR TWO ELECTRIC CARS THEN I REALIZED I WOULD BE HAPPIER GOING OUT IN YOUR RANG ROVER SPORT WITH THE LOW FUEL LIGHT ON AS AGAINST A FULL CHARGED ELECTRIC CAR
Coming down from a 2.0l diesel Subaru Forester which could achieve 55mpg on a motorway run (loved that car) which could climb a snowy single track in the snow, I moved down to a Mazda CX3 1.5 diesel which is cramped but does never less than 65mpg and 75 mpg with a soft foot and has a mere £30 road tax. A no brainer when you're just an average pensioner and have to travel at least 10 miles to the nearest supermarket. I suspect this is the real world for most folk. I fill up once every 2 months.
Hyundai Kona Electric, 4yo on Autotrader at £13,495, still 1yr manufacturer warranty (4 years on battery and drivetrain), zero road tax, easily goes 250 miles/charge - you could do your supermarket run at least 12 times with that. £60 worth of charging = 2550 miles (incl. 15% charging loss), how far do you get with £60 worth of diesel in the CX3? How often have I changed brake pads and discs over the last 5 years / 110k miles? Never.
Your 75mpg is great, but the car will have disintegrated on your driveway after a couple of years as they don't put any anti-corrosion treatment on them. The days of well built Mazdas are but a distant memory.
Americans would never buy those little cars, diesel or not. We have a 20 year old Prius that still gets 45 mpg at 65 mph and around 40 in city. But everyone around us has huge trucks and large SUVs because fuel is cheap.
If you are using Imperial gallons, then your Subaru would still be getting a respectable 45mpg (US gallon = 3.8 L), which is rather surprising even for a small SUV, but moreso because those are 4wd!
There's a massive mis-match between what they are producing and what people want. Real working people haven't got wheelbarrows of cash they can afford to lose in massive depreciation, let alone the cost of a new vehicle these days.
Following Bjorn for years.. He has come longs way with knowledge of electrical cars. Very good videos .I think electrical car companies see his reviews.!
I have a Hyundai i-10. Bought it second hand with 50,000 miles on it. It does over 50mpg, £20 annual tax and is very cheap on maintenance. I only use it for popping about, about 3000 miles a year. Bloke at the garage told me as long as it's looked after should get 20 years of hassle free motoring from it, for virtually nothing. Cost me £3500 over two years ago, and I have not had a single problem with it. Starts first time and runs lovely. I don't get people who spend a fortune on cars.
30 years ago Hyundai had some issues, a coworker had one and it was crap. Last year I bought 3 Hyundai Accent diesels for family members and I expect all of them to get 60mpg for at least 10 years use. Things have changed. Resale on your i-10 is very good here, they are liked.
@@robertkubrick3738 That's brilliant news...cheers :-)....You know I been kinda working it out...and I reckon if I buy another petrol car just before they stop selling them in 2035 and I can get say 15-20 years out of it...I will never need to go electric.
I have the Grand i10 and currently on 71 000 km have zero issues bought it Demo from the Dealer very affordable to run don’t see me selling it anytime soon
@@sa_supercarz8499 I just checked one of those Grand models out on Google, gets a really decent review and looks a fair bit better looks wise than my slightly older i-10 model, only thing is I can't find any here in the UK auto trader magazine, which is a shame.
Harry & team.. This vlog must be the most accurate and honest reasoning video I have ever seen, I can't argue with any of the facts you put forward... If only more people would just realise the actual numbers involved. Nice one, Regards Steve
Sadly our politicians are very much misguided and misinformed these days. The lobby groups with the most convincing stories (even if completely untrue) are being believed. I don't know how we can fix that. And educated politicians don't make good media personalities. It's almost like, if you can speak well and are entertaining but know nothing, you'll do as our leader. SMH.
What's mind boggling is the people making the decisions about what we will be allowed to drive in the future don't seem to have the same levels of sensible
actually nothing is sensible. It is clear that none of you live in a big city; if you did, the noxes and diesel fumes would make you want to have the power to remove all diesels from existence. Trust me on this one. (from a diesel owner in the mid 2000s) edit. imo, diesels should be banned from getting into cities or alternatively, their owners charged hard for taking their cars within city limits. If you live in a quiet town or village, in the country-side, I understand why you cannot relate to this situation but, trust me when I'm saying it.. I am sick and tired to breath diesel fumes just from going on a walk in the neighborhood. We, those who live in the cities, have the right to breath clean air as well.
@@eugenux that’s fine, but the reality is that not everyone does live in a city. And even the people that do are still entirely dependant on countless diesel vehicles serving their needs. Needs that are not close to being met by BEV vehicles. Speak to people in the Scottish highlands about how well electric cars work for them…
@@giuistefanjr72I disagree. We rarely use fast chargers and drive 20k+ km per year. EVs have more than enough range for most people. Bjørn has proven this over and over again with the 1000km challanges.
@@amundalfredsen3479 We have driven our Chevrolet Bolt EUV comfortably for trips of 1200 miles. We stop to eat and charge, sleep and charge, and once a day, waste time for a charge. Most of the time, it is charging at home, and traveling anywhere in our metropolitan area of 7 million people.
In Sweden there are used car companies who specialise in electric cars. They test the battery and you get a certificate detailing the condition, degradation, etc.
@@Art-is-craft er, you can get your ICE "Inspected" by experts as well, and that convinces people. WHen i bought my M3 the owner had had a "condition inspection" report pepared by the AA (a UK motoring organsiation) and that seemed to be worth something? So why wouldn't a BEV that has been inspected be similarly worthwhile??
Absolutely sensationally spot on video that EVERY car owner/buyer should watch.The analyzes are to perfection.Many thanks Harry for this amazing contribution to the subject!Needs to be spreed on socials
I completely agree with Harry's analysis on the current EV market. He highlights the critical issues of depreciation, high costs, and practical inefficiencies that many private buyers face. Harry's points about battery degradation and the lack of transparency from manufacturers are particularly compelling. His emphasis on the need for efficiency and realistic expectations aligns perfectly with the reality many of us experience. This deep dive was both insightful and reflective of the current automotive landscape. Great job, Harry!
Great video Harry. The market for EVs is about to burst as you describe the litany of negative issues. Here in Canada, a recent EV driver slightly damaged the bottom of his EV battery in his 2-year old vehicle. The quote for a replacement battery was $60,000, more than the value of the car, so his insurance wrote off the car. Tell me the insane logic of this debacle. Early-adopter technology in anything new goes through these growing pains. Steer clear of EVs for the forseeable future until sanity returns.
Hello from New Zealand Harry. Today February 15th 2024, Simon Barnett a host on Newstalk ZB, New Zealand , mentioned you and your views on EVs. Before this i had never heard of you, so after listening to your very logical and practical viewpoint on modern cars, i am going to subscribe to your channel. I can't afford a diesel Range Rover, such as you show here, but would love one, my favourite car. God bless you Sir, and lovely to have made your acquaintance. Robert. (83). NZ Veteran.
Ive been watching Byorn for 10 years he is the go to for truth on batteries. Ive been running my Tesla P85 since new for 10 years 150,000 miles range gone from 245 miles to 220 miles always charged at home and Teslas Superchargers (free for me on my pre 2016 car). The problem we all have we have and will continue to fight wars over oil energy with all its underlying problems of demographic population displacement let alone the bloody weather. BTW my Tesla always preheats itself in cold weather so is defrosted ready to go and full range but I appreciate to each his own. As you say Teslas are both efficient and the fastest, looks like Tesla will have the big rig market to itself with its efficiency, owner / drivers see those savings / profits ...........job done. Other manufactures step up the game engineer / innovate or stagnate........who said lifes fair.
Just returned my 2021 Polestar 2 AWD long range. 1. Since delivery the car has been on 17 workshop visits. And finaly one flaw they could not fix, so I returned it. Polestar service has been top notch all the way. But the quality of the car has been so and so. 2. Range by WLTP 447 km. I live in norway and it's really cold 6 months of the year. My last drive started with 85% on the battery, after 171 km I had 8 % left. 3. Battery degredation, say the battery loses 2-3% totalt capasity every year, and in winter with below 0 celsius 15-20%. Usually I charge the car when I get to about 15%. Then I can only charge until 80% on a supercharger. After 80% it takes ages. After 4 years of ownership what will your practical range be? Paid about 50k pounds for the car and I must say paying off a car that gets less and less usable every year just hurts. I now own a 2015 MB E-class 350 CDI 4-matic, just love it. And in 5 years range will still be the same. Over 1000 km. on a single tank.
@@barry5138Good for you. Yes, and many did not, including the content creator of this channel. I loved the idea of EVs. Silent running, "gasstation" in my own garage, good for my local enviroment, simplicity of drivetrain (never the problem on Polestar), incredible 4wd and power. The main problem is batterytech not being mature enough.
@@MrFreddan79 I need benefits from changing to electric not a list of minuses and that’s why EV sales have hit a stone wall and why none of my family and friends own an EV.
@@bsimpson6204 yes, and I will probably go electric again once batterytech is better. Electric motors are superior to ICE, just needs a better source of power. We still have a 2018 Nissan Leaf in the household. That thing will stay with us forever. As long as range does not drop below 20km.
Absolutely spot on. As an engineer, car enthusiast and owner of a business specialising in the repair of car computer modules I've been working hard to get this message across. But you've delivered this with far more eloquence than me and with a slightly greater reach 😉
all very valid points Harry, one you might have missed out is that not all garages will want to/can repair them as they will never have staff that are electricians and are willing to take on the risks involved with working on them so your local friendly garage will have to be replaced by main dealers at the main dealer prices which normal drivers can not afford to use.
Good job there are minimal moving parts in the powertrain to go wrong then isn't it. All parts outside that of the powertrain are 12v shared parts/suspension/steering/trim the same as all cars however they are powered.
@@adamfry1125the car still needs to go to a body shop if it's had a bump or a crash etc. They're a pain in the arse to work on as you need to power them down before doing anything & there's a huge fire risk from the batteries so the liability insurance of the garage increases hugely
Maybe eventually, but that's not going to happen overnight. Meanwhile the value of second-hand EVs plummet because buyers don't want the cot and hassle that goes with them.@@PhineasPhlob
The wonderful Quinton Wilson seems to be the only Motoring Correspondent / Expert who is totally sold on the electric car . This must tell you something !
Very well put Harry. Part of the problem also is manufacturers are constantly looking for ways to charge more for their products they have no interest in making cheap cars as their is no money in it. So we end up with massive expensive inefficient tanks.
This may be the best, most informative, critical video on EVs that I have seen. We all have been thinking it and saying it, the cons are going to outweigh the pros in the long run. Good on you, being a respected motor journalist, talking on this. Toyota needs mentioning as well. Only manufacturer I see talking about the cons of EV.
Basically what Toyota said is that don't put all of your eggs in one basket. We want to combat carbon emissions? Then let's actually improve our current technology (ICE) to do even better alongside doing alternative solutions as well whether it's a BEV, PHEV, Hydrogen Fuel Cell, or even sustainable fuels.
It's a simple answer to the problem with electric cars. The manufacturers are refusing to acknowledge it. Most people don't give a dam about 0 to 60 figures. They just want a car that is safe, decent to drive, and has a good range that is affordable. Most don't give a dam about going to 60mph in 2 seconds.
That has always been an issue. Every car magazine, every car program, every car reviewer is always going on about how much hp it has and how quickly it accelerates. And EVERY car they review or talk about are always ALWAYS the top of the line turbo injection biggest engine model. IF they do every mention a regular car for regular people with a regular budget then they sneer at it. Call it cheap junk and not something worthwhile. *smh* Then again, you see the same thing with smartphones. It's always about the flagship model. It's becoming so ridiculous that you can find 12year olds calling a phone that doesn't have a 30mega pixel camera a toy barely suitable for their 6 year old sister. This while 10 years ago a 13Mega pixel SLR was barely in the budget for an amateur.
I am by far more interested in handling and comfort. Ive got a Jaguar with active chassie (goes like stink in corners) and it's as comfortable as sitting in a Chesterfield at 62db (whisper quiet) at motorway speed. It costs me €350 a month in total including tyres insurance washing, service, fuel etc etc. It goes very fast in a straight line but I never use it for that.
@christianolsson834 yes I loved my jags. They were always a pleasure to drive. They were obtainable as well, but even the insurance on electric cars is higher, and then the costs to buy, though I believe some are now on a par with ICE cars
@@fly9wheel I owned a turbo charged V8 Bristol that was under 6 seconds if you could control the wheel spin, it required a particular set of driving skills. My wife happily drives our Chinese byd ev which is under 7 seconds not that she cares about the number. The almost linear response encourages confidence in merging overtaking and pulling out ect. A 5 second time would still be within our limits and occasionally useful to reduce conflict with traffic. AWD EVs are dominated by sub 5 second which is a problem when awd is needed for snow/rural driving in a family suv.
Finally...someone talking about battery degradation! It's as if the manufacturers don't want you to know about it, but anyone who owns an iPhone (or any other battery operated device) will know that the more charge cycles the battery goes through, the more degraded it will become. At least with an iPhone (other manufacturers are available), there's a screen that tells you the degradation in an easy to digest % format.
Wow, what a great insight! My 2017, 75mpg, Honda Civic does me fine. Quiet on the move, smooth, decent room, massive boot and great build quality, without any squeaks or rattles, it costs me pennies to run, no car tax and the value went up for two years and is only coming down as I put the miles on. I have had one glow plug go and have just changed oil and filters, 4 tyres, a battery and a set of discs and pads in the 3 years I have had it. The glow plug and battery were originals. It has just done 94000 miles (I've put 50k on it), the best value car I have ever had. I paid £8500 in 2020 and they are still describing them on Autotrader as 'a good price' for a similar 2017 90K + mileage at £7495...bonkers! I'll keep this until it falls apart, which will take it forever, it seems. Now that, is efficiency. I'm not against electric, but until the running costs and depreciation come down near my Honda, I'll stick to a more conventional vehicle.
I have a 2003 Honda Accord Tourer 2.4 petrol. Bought it at 4 years old for just over £10,000 36000 miles on the clock. At 118000 miles still going strong. I have it serviced annually just needed new alternator, usual brakes pads etc. exhaust and everything still works fine. Comfortable, fast and not a squeak. It's cost me next to nothing to run over the 16 years I have had it, been everywhere with the family, loads of stuff, fridges, cookers, cupboards and surely fairly environmentally efficient? I loved cars but the price and over complicated nature of them now puts me off. Great episode
@@davidpails901 So you drove 82,000 miles which coverts to 132,000 km. Honda Accord burns 8.4 litres of petrol per 100km in mixed driving, so you used 11,000 litres of petrol. At the price of £1.5 this makes £16,500. Next to nothing, right? Now with 282g/km of CO2 emissions you emitted 37 tons of CO2 driving your fossil car.
Indavidual with the calculator. Trees eat the CO2 daily. His 11000 litres of fossel fuel is now a part of the hedge row and local forest! Oh yeah and the kale you eat for breakfast!
One thing you missed.Harry is that replacement batteries need to be made available at reasonable cost. A replacement leaf battery is 2.5k in Japan, and 10k in the UK.
24:43 I've been saying the same thing. Though you end with saying "replacing EVERY ICE car with an EV will save just 7% of total emissions'. Its probably less than that when you factor in where the electricity is coming from and how it's produced. The supply chain for the battery minerals and shipping of battery packs will further degrade that CO2 percentage.
It will probably reduce to less than 2 percent in emissions savings when you factor in the deployment of the huge diesel earth movers,giant trucks,cranes support vehicles,air compressors and water pumps that are a necessities in any mining operation .
@@michaelopere5424Well said and NOBODY is talking about the human cost-the slave labor and child labor used in 3rd World Countries to extract cobalt and lithium. We’re damn sure not saving _their_ world. But, hey, as long as I can look down my nose at petrol vehicles, who cares how many people died to make it happen???
@@Aaron-zh7qm The E-vangelists and members of 'Just stop oil' are nothing but a bunch of deluded cult members.Two motoring journalists recently made a 900km road trip from Melbourne to Sydney,their cars of choice were a BMW 740i and an i7,132 Australian dollars was spent to charge the i7 while the 740i was filled with fuel worth 118 Australian dollars,the electric vehicle took two hours to charge while the 740i did not require any refueling throughout the journey.
Excellent, Excellent article Harry. So simply put and very clear on the current state of EV's. Ive' been thinking this for 18 months now. We should not be being forced into one-size-fits-all. EV's and ICE all have their place and should be allowed side-by-side.
Excellent analysis - car manufacturers take note: Regulatory Requirements do not equal Customer Requirements Products that do not meet Customer Requirements = Products that are not marketable
It’s a breath of fresh air to get unbiased views on this subject. Mainstream media is influenced by advertising and has to quote the politically correct net zero agenda. Well said Harry!
Finally someone who has the balls to call out why EV’s aren’t the best option no matter what Billy Bullshit Government officials come out with. Keep up the great work
He said they are making the wrong cars. Because we can build powerful EVs does not mean that is the only sort we should be making. I agree. Love or Hate Tesla they are still leading the pack in most aspects of EVs.
@@ianthompson2516 The price of energy is set by political reasons. Diesel particles is not a problem anymore. Climate change is a natural thing, and there is no climate-crisis. Some diesels, Mercedes is one of them, emit pure breathable air . A Mercedes EV in Germany, is powered by electricity made by burning lignite, the most polluting fuel known, except for burning used tires.
Almost. To preserve his 687K subs he's skirting around the truth. And I'd do the same thing. But the truth is: the politicians are but just puppets of Unelected and Unregulated Eurocrats in Geneva. It's their agenda that's being enforced. The very same people who created CBDC's, who aim for blanket UBI (Universal Basic Income). ......
@@therpopeOil changes are mostly done by gravity in a Corolla, but you can also suction the oil out the top. Some vehicles have difficult to reach oil filters.
Best video I’ve seen from Harry and elsewhere. Full of actual and very interesting facts. This should be played in front of every politician in the UK and EU.
My merc e320 estate 2003 does 50mph on a run and 36mpg around mixed urban it’s done 200k miles it’s worth about 2k I paid 2.5k 2 years ago , I’m hoping to keep it going it’s a lovely smooth ride and fast and economical
I’ve got a e220 from 2008 and it’s been very reliable however I hate not having a v8 and now I’ve got a job close to home it’s going and I’m going to get my life back
I had a ‘98 E330 TD Estate, paid £1400 for it and its was such an awesome car, it was one of the most useful cars I have ever owned, fast, comfortable, economical and towed superbly; shame the tin worms loved it too 😢
Non sensationalized, rational, factual discussion from someone who practices sustainability but is also grounded in reality. Thank you for this. I work in the classic car industry, but I'm not anti-EV, they have their place but also have a lot of room for improvement. I believe we absolutely need to work hard at reducing emissions globally, but we seem to be focusing on the minutia rather than the big picture.
Agreed, replacing every privately owned ICE car in the country with an EV won’t make a jot of difference to the overall pollution because personal journeys make up such a small percentage of transport pollution compared to the overall figure that we won’t notice at all.
Another superb video, Harry. I'm fed up having EV smoke and mirrors being forced down my throat. I'm also grateful for the opportunity to admire your Range Rover for 28 minutes! Best colour/wheel combination I've ever seen on one!
I think the main reason that EV prices drop off a cliff is purely down to the cost of replacing the battery at the manufacturer. Many cheap second hand EVs most likely have batteries fitted that are near the end of their life so will need replacing for another five year stretch. For many families/people this beyond their financial means. This means that the second EVs that have batteries that are end of life in them are basically "throw away items" or an "expensive door stop" Great informative video 👏😁
Have an Ioniq 5 for a company car. Love it. Does what it does very well. Comfortable, different to drive to ICE, but in a decent enough way. Cheap on BIK etc. live rurally and travelled all over remote parts of the country and never found charging or range anxiety a problem either. But, have always said, would I buy and run one privately? No, I wouldn't.
I’ve heard people say the Ioniq 5 can be easily stolen with a simple Bluetooth device…. Not sure how this works but on the video I saw it took about 5 seconds.
Another issue is insurance. My boss has a Tesla model3, and his insurance is currently £2,100, for a 48 year old guy. Hes done with it and currently trying to sell it. This is due to parts supply and Tesla's being written off for just a light nudge.
Its not just due to parts supply its to do with the costs involved in labour charges... guy across from me has got a tesla and his door got scuffed and he had to take it to a body shop 137miles away as they were trained to deal with it
I would agree with you except the door may need to be removed or dismantled. If so, it will a dodecahedral hinge on the door, very complex electronics inside the door card, sensors, cameras, motors..and of course, everything will need to be recoded and that can only be done by an agent with unobtainable software and special Obd type port etc etc @@nealm1814
One of the most, if not THE most, informative and interesting analysis of the EV car market. Well done to you sir. I recently dipped my toe into the MHEV market, having traded in my much-lamented family diesel. Your video has utterly convinced me of the error of my ways. Thanks again for your straightforward and easy-to-understand delivery on a subject that has largely baffled the private car-buying public. Best wishes with your fabulous Range Rover Sport diesel. A very smart choice indeed......and I'm with you all the way on the rationale behind your decision. Take care for now.
I now feel very smug driving a £7K Vauxhall Insignia estate 1.6 Diesel. £20 P/A Tax, ULEZ free, 50-60mpg, 600+ mile range, space for family, all the comforts I need. I've driven it £100K miles with only normal servicing and diesel parts required. Happy days! 🙂
I can only imagine the sleepless nights some people must be having now with overstretching their financing commitments on these new cars now cost of living has gone through the roof and car market as corrected. Your setup must bring you some peace of mind and understandable smugness.
So you’ve spent at least £12,000 on fuel on that 100,000 miles, at current diesel rates vs an EV charging at that home that would be £1000-£2000 in electric costs. So looking at total cost of ownership, running a second hand EV like the decent Kia Niro for about £17k is a good deal. They are about £15k on Autotrader so plenty of options out there. Will save a few grand on servicing vs your car and there a year or so left before road tax for EVs starts.. can be a fair bit less. Of course the Niro will still retain value over the years and you’ve burnt that diesel. Plenty for folks to think about.
@@cw3728 maybe they are an idiot who hasn’t got an EV specific electric tariff with overnight rates of 7.5p kWh when overnight charging. You can get that from Octopus right now. Tesla can do 4 miles per kWh… that’s 1.8 pence per mile. Or £1800 for 100,000 miles. I’ve had 4.5pkwh tariff locked since before the electric costs went to shit. So I can drive for 1 pence per mile if I don’t gun it everywhere.
So 63% of new car buyers are fleet buyers... they are heavily incentivised into EVs... but when those EVs come off the lease, there isn't an appetite for them in the 2nd hand market... so it's really quite simple to see why the 2nd hand prices of EVs are bombing because supply is far outstripping demand. the government can publish whatever they like and blame Rowan Atkinson but that's the simple facts and maths of it.
These cars are not going to the second hand market yet. The second hand car market is now suffering from too much stock after the post Covid supply chain crisis, when residuals went up, and now come down again.
@@jone8626 Hear hear !!
@@jone8626 My Jag always breaks down, so I'll never buy another car with a combustion engine. That's the level of your logic.
@@splashmaster2000 will never buy Jag only! 😂
@@WouterHermansover 700 Taycan’s and over 700 e-Tron’s on auto trader right now, with Taycan’s starting in the £40k region and e-Trons less than £20k. They definitely are starting to outstrip demand in the 2nd hand market.
I think that the worst problems with new cars are the driver interference and distraction systems.
I’m saving that one for another video 😉
And all those dings and dongs !
They are so clever, that they are stupid.
@@harrysgarage Really wish journalist would start to acutally talk about how bad many of theese systems work. How in there right mind thought is was god to make it mandatory. They are horrible on any other than a bright sunny july day, not to talk about when it's snow on the road.
Then this madness about going full touch screen. Whyyyy, it's so slow to use, the Van at work was a diesel and is now electric of the same model (due to the same reason mentioned here + to please the investors). But for some reason they felt the need to fit it with a utterly garbage touch screen that takes forever to just boot up. Not to talk about to just change the stupid radio station. also the sound qulity has gone down the drain, it's sound utterly garbage
It also used to beep at everyting but solwed that with driving a screw driver through the speaker. Oh heavens the quiteness.....
@jonathancarson1974 Yeap they are brighter on dipped than older vehicles are on full beam. If I drive my off-roader in the dark, the lights from the vehicle behind can cause a shadow to be cast in front of it. They need to ban LED and go back to traditional lights.
22:23 Strongly agree on putting an efficiency rating on electric cars, they put it on TVs and other electric appliances why not on cars? Just because there are "zero" emissions doesn't mean you get to comsume all the electricity without care, resources are needed to produce electricity with or without fossil fuels.
Wow didn't expect to see you here lol
That is such BS since BEV are so much more efficient already. Also, a stronger BEV does not mean it is less efficient - on the contrary - it can recoup more electricy into the battery when braking.
A lot of EV people want that to happen and have been pushing for it
@@cyman777It’s not BS. More mass, means more power is required to move it. Look at the size of the battery on the new hummer. There’s a reason it’s a bit bigger than a Prius!
@@cyman777 We are talking about the efficency of the vehicle, not just the powertrain alone, pal
What a breath of fresh air and common sense. I couldn’t agree more.
Fresh air‽
What fresh air lmao, you like it because you agree with the title and that's it.
Same things are being said since 2012 at least
In my country EV's cost double and in some cases triple the price of internal combustion engine cars... plus power is not cheap here unless you have solar. So there's really no incentive for anyone to buy EV's and if car dealers stop selling EV's they will go out of business because people will just drive and repair their old cars. Even rental companies dont offer EV's here because it doesn't make any sense.
The world isn't the UK or America, so good luck phasing ICE cars out by 2030, you will go out of business very quickly.
Hot air, rather!
Harry, I did agree with you 100%, but that has already dropped to 87%...
😂👍
That’s brilliant humour!!
@adrianrowden8266 what kind of climate are you in? 😂😂
I suspect I won't get much back from commenting, despite the incentives
It might come back up when the weather warms up.
I live in a hot country so I can only half agree with you....!
It was high time for someone to say how things really are, giving fact and figures to support their speech. Thumbs up for you Harry!
I can't think of a presenter better suited to expounding upon these truths than Harry Metcalfe. Thank you, sir, for being a stoic & eloquent voice of reason in this current climate of idiocy.
The battery degradation was a car with nearly 250,000km on it.
He made his points very well. I think one area where EVs make perfect sense (apart from their current massive sizes and weights) would be in big cities.
EV delivery vans and an EV K-car culture (little Honda E, VW e-Up etc) around places like London would be great. Quiet, being used in the environment they are made for, not 2.7ton SUV EVs that only ever see a kerb at their local schools!
I lived in Germany for close to 15years. If you wanted to buy a car (pre EVs) the dealer would ask you what sort of journeys you did mainly, and how many Km a year. If you said I do 5000km in and around town doing errands etc, they would almost refuse to sell you a diesel as that would not make sense. If however you did 30,000km mostly shooting between big cities on the autobahn, a diesel was your only option!
I have a diesel now, however after moving house and WFH being enforced on me, we do bugger all long journeys, so a small petrol or an EV home charged would be perfect!
Euro standards made engines get more efficient, but OEMs then made their cars fatter negating all those gains!
Battery health and a proper Use Case profile should be used to steer you towards your next car!
Great you chose the diesel, but I still can't understand why it had to be an SUV and not a large Estate! BMW 5 series with an efficient 2.0 TDI! I'd go for the Skoda Superb, it's superb in every way!
Didn't mention that local pollution for electricity is zero... While however good thinks his diesel is it still producing heavy particle pollution that causes cancer.
At the end of the day nobody is going to tell me what I drive. It’s down to personal opinion. If you don’t like EV’s then don’t buy one simple.
@@philiphawkins4684 Yes, for pollution yo need to consider the pollution that may not be local-at the source(s) of electricity, many of which merrily continue to produce CO2 in order to produce those, ahem, "green" electrons.
Go Harry go .You are really good highlighting the v.many faults / difficulties attached to owning an electric car.
Bjorn is terrific. I am glad you have found him.
Harry I live in a council flat. I’m on the breadline but even if I could afford a car I’ve 0 chances of home charging . Like millions of others who can just about afford an old fiesta or something.
Love your vids on both channels ❤❤
Exactly. EVs - if you live in a flat, you're screwed. Or do you have the spare time to spend (approximate figures) an hour charging for every 200 miles you want to drive?
The major problem is not EVs - it’s the lack of a charging network. The people who ignore that are the ‘I’m alright, Jack, I charge at home’ brigade - great for you, not for others.
(Oh, and if an EV works for your particular situation, do tell us all, because that means they work for everyone.)
Me 2 👍
People falling over extension cables because you haven't got a off street drive way and claiming off insurance companies will also be a problem
When EV's first became a thing I thought of exactly your situation. In densely populated areas with apartment / high rise homes, what was supposed to be the charging solution even if everyone could afford an EV? Would there be a new mass construction of "Park and Ride" type sites - "Park and Charge" (and ride a bus back to your home location which may not be five minutes walk away?).
Also if "Park and Charge" (on large scale) sites existed, imagine the safety risk of having that many Lithium batteries in one location.
@@julianevans9548 There *are* many problems with EV's, and it's not just the charging network. Upfront cost, depreciation, insurance etc.
Probably the best video ive seen anyone produce so far explaining how it is and with the right suggestions to move forward. 10/10 Mr Metcalfe
Outstanding video, Harry. Really thorough consideration of many factors, all backed up by science/data -> extremely compelling. Thanks for steering me away from EVs - you have potentially saved me a lot of money and grief!
As an EV owner of 5 years and also a 6 cylinder petrol car, this is one of the best and most balanced videos I’ve seen about EVs and agree with pretty much everything you say
As an EV owner yourself what is your opinion of EVs?
@@doriangray6985 I love the way they drive, the instant torque and speed of them and they are very cheap to run if home charging on a good EV tariff. I very rarely public charge so that makes life less stressfull and much cheaper. Remote heating and cooling is ace as Is the defrost function. The Tesla app is miles ahead of anything else out there too, whether EV or ICE.
Having no key as such, no on/off button and just using a phone which automatically locks and unlocks as you walk up to it makes it a breeze.
But… depreciation is horrible on them, they are very difficult to trade in at most dealers and I wouldn’t buy one personally. Like prob 90% of owners, (from what main dealers say the figure is vs personal buyers), the tax breaks, low BIK is what made me (my company) get one so it was really sold on incentives rather than me actually wanting one. Take away these incentives for tax etc and I would imagine the EV market would almost collapse overnight.
This is the only scenario where it will work.
A little EV charging up at home where you only ever run it to the shops and back, [so maximum lifetime capacity for the batteries is maintained]
and also own an ICE engine car to use for when you need to use a vehicle to actually do anything.
Nah it’s all about charging electric ⚡️ network and with Tesla is amazing 🤩
@@robg521This just isn’t true, we have an EV that can do all the local stuff as well as being able to do 250+ miles before charging (with other models getting even more than that) and it charges very quickly when it does need to. The biggest problem with EVs imo is the cost not the range or anything about the experience (though charging infrastructure does still need improvements).
Absolutely brilliant journalism, you need to make a speech in front of the House of Commons
Wouldn't happen unfortunately as we'd all realise , that yet again the government tells lies.
Just look at Tony Blair ...Weapons of mass destruction.
please don't. Harrys reasons for not buying an EV are pretty weak.
@@kevinashurst634 You mean like the cost, the resale, the range, the problems with insurance and the vanishing battery power? Yes, what WAS he going on about?
@@kevinashurst634I think you accidentally watched one video and commented on this one by mistake!
@@kevinashurst634 : Our only car is an EV, and we are smitten with it. This video raises questions for us; I would not dismiss it lightly.
The EV works great for us. It would not work well enough to consider for four out of five of our neighbours. There is a really strong case for use as a second car.
The man is a genius - proper car journalism - informative and gives you a real world insight into what is what!
sorry no, it was poor, About as good as Mr Beans article in teh Guardian.
Geoff buys cars TH-cam has been covering this subject for the last couple of years.
@@S-Ltd1000 yes he has. To be fair he does great click bait, but sadly short on facts, like his stupid oppo macmaster. They are youtube prostitutes.
@@kevinashurst634He'll love that comment, well worth putting foil on his hat. For the run to Benidorm, personally I would have chosen the Saab Bio and run down on Superethanol at €0.85 per litre using 85% less fossil fuel. In fact allowing Superethanol in the UK would save 85% of all fossil fuel in the UK Petrol fleet
That is better than batteries.
Outside chargers are never under cover, often around the back of a carpark and difficult to find in a poorly lit area. Then you arrive in the dark and its raining. So with the water running down your neck you are trying to read the connection instructions. Get it wrong and they just dump you to back to square one. The card reader is often low down and with water on the screen very difficult to use. Even on a good visit, it takes 3 minutes. Its a killer when you find there is no WiFi to join yet another club. Add to that when you get there, you find another car is pulling all the power, and not enough for you.
We have had our Kia Soul 30KW for 3 years and love it. Being retired we rarely go on long journeys, but we plan where we will stop, coffee, shopping etc, no problem. We are still getting 135 forecast miles in the summer, but that drops to 95 when its really cold. We always charge at home over-night with the granny charger, no problem.
You're a flippin' legend Harry! Thanks for summing it up so well.
28 minutes and 45 seconds of pure common sense . I learnt a lot . Thank you Harry .
Only half the story, but if that's what you want to hear, then fair enough!
What is the othwr half? @@RobH.
@@RobH. Yes, what's the other half of the story? Or is your post nonsense with no evidence to back up your claims?
@@RobH.That’s a throwaway comment if ever I saw one. The Internet is full of them these days 😂
@@motri5935he's a bit glib but I think Harry did briefly cover the other side of the coin when he did refer to the overall drive of carbon reduction. Where harry slightly gets it not "wrong" but badly valued is where he talks about the "cars are only 7% of emissions" and people may take it as an excuse that we shouldnt bother. The fact is 7% is still massive!
I really like this video and I personally took it as guidance on what we should be doing to get it right and not why we shouldn't all throw it in and buy a diesel.
Watching Harry throughout this video, was like walking into a classroom and
sitting there as a very smart professor, gives you a lesson in a subject and you suddenly
just get it!!
Many people could have waffled on for hours but Harry, you managed to get so much details and
information into a relatively short 28 minutes.
The current car market place has so many similar traits, as when back in 2006/7, manufacturers were
seemingly only pushing diesel as the solution to reduce Co2 emissions.
We all know how that turned out, sticking diesel engines into cars that should never have had them and selling
them to people who should never have bough them (like city runabouts, only doing short, stop-start trips).
It very much feels like that again, only this time manufacturers have put literally everything into EV, with no
alternative or backup plan.
Absolutely brilliant job there Harry.
Surely the alternative to diesel was petrol, hybrids and diesels... Or did they appear from nowhere?
the reason was the road tax
@@EP-bb1rm
Excellent talk. Thank you.
RS. Canada
This is by far the best video I have seen explaining how the car market is heading...thank you Harry.
If ever there was a Harry's Garage episode that should take 4 hours... this is it!!! Brilliant insight!!!
For the first time since the L320, the RRS looks pretty again!
Hardly. I wonder what has really upset Harry?
@@grahamcook9289 don't like what ya heard eh?
@@grahamcook9289 you heard him right mate, spoke nothing but facts
Quentin Wilson would be pulling his hair out watching this.
Finally, a mature, balanced assessment and a genuine reality check. Thanks Harry
Excellent and straight to the point, sir. Keep on the good work!
This video is an oasis of calm amidst the current insanity. Thank you!
Genuinely think electric should be for city cars / bike / electric scooters. Keep them cheap and cheerful
100%. I’ve an i3S and though I think it’s brilliant, I’d be the first to admit that in many ways it’s a glorified pram and in no way replaces an actual car with a Winter range of less than 200 miles. It goes back in March and I won’t be getting another EV.
I’ve driven an EV for 4 years, used it for road trips all over Europe. So that statement is not correct
Agree.
12 years ago Renault showed us the way with the Twizy (2012). I have one and love it!
India use CNG powered cars ,trucks and buses .Some of the CNG is made from household waste .Twin scuba diving sized tanks don't rob boot space like LPG tanks .
What an absolutely brilliant informative and common sense video. Well done Harry for such an objective discussion - Hat's off to you Sir 👏 👍
Do remember that Harry also promoted full EV cars but now that the truth is out there his tune has changed.
By Far the best video I have seen discussing the realities of electric vehicles. So much wisdom here. Subscribed & Thank You.
Nicely delivered - no emotion, factual and without an agenda. St Harry of Metcalfe thank you.
Finely put! I agree that this is one of your best videos! Masterclass in distorted market dynamics, you hit every single point: Customer needs vs absurd regulation, lack of proper information and facts, skewed stats, policy pushing and even a product being plain ugly because of design by committee, brilliant! Thank you!
Best video I have seen all year. Proper journalism, proper reasoning, this is what we need. I really hope someone is listening because this needs to be heard
Any ordinary person knows all this, which is why they stay with gas.
@@johnsmith1474 Tons of people have no idea about things like battery degradation or the disaster that is the public charging network etc. They just hear EVs are the future and then buy one and end up finding that it's not as great as they were told and either have to stick it out or take or huge hit on the depreciation and switch back to ICE. This is good advice
Agree, Some of Harry's best work. Great logic
Nobody in power cares.
We have an opportunity to vote out anyone in power this year who wants to keep up the Net Zero insanity and war on the motorist@@fatfreddyscoat7564
Can we sue the manufacturers for falsely giving us range figures, just like the diesel MPG scandal??
It starts with the sales persons stating range figures that are based on eco mode but not revealing that to customers, and that’s what happened to me! I only found out after I bought the car and went back to report range was badly out. Buyer beware !these people are still second hand car sales persons and no different from the old days of, would you trust a used car sales person? 🙈
The diesel MPG scandal was because they were cheating the test. The problem with EVs is that the test is garbage. It would be good if ALL cars have to go through a proper real world efficiency test cos I certainly don't believe the quoted MPG or EV range on anything that is for sale.
@@timvins Yes you can as the goods were misreprented. All EV ranges are if the battery is at 100%. Remember the advice is to charge to 80% so immediately that takes 20% off the range. Use heating or aircon,lights or wipers and more range is lost. The EV is a totally barmy idea,anyone considering buying one should ignore the environmental lobbyist as they are clueless
@@Anonymous-ib8so The ranges are accurate for how they are measured. If you're going 55 miles an hour like they rate them at, you'll get under 250 Wh/mile. If you're going 80, it's gonna be over 333 Wh/mi. It's almost like drastically increasing your wind resistance matters if your motor is actually efficient instead of getting garbage mileage whether you're making 50 hp or 10.
@@Anonymous-ib8so In a few years time lot's of EV buyers will be saying why did I buy this thing.
Harry’s point 3, a reality check. A car is a device for moving people and things from A to B. It should be comfortable, efficient and safe for those inside and outside. The motor industry, consumer mentality and the financial services have got us here. We only have to stop buying for a few years. No one “needs” a new car after 3 years, we could think about buying cars that could be serviced and repaired at reasonable prices. When the factories get constipated maybe they’ll change their diet.
The customer is always right ,,,needs to be remembered.
@@Leo555ZZZsaid by someone who doesn’t deal with customers. They’re quite often wrong.
EVs last significantly longer than ICE and require less maintenance.
@@jameslove888 I dealt with customers for 17 years ,,,but you misunderstand ,,if customers stop buying a product , the makers are forced to change or else they will go out of business.
In the end , the customers as a group , are always right and will be the ultimate decider of which products succeed and which fail.
@@brettsta72 That remains to be seen ,,,battery degradation is real and battery replacement is a significant cost.
Harry is so knowledgeable and is always able to explain it so well. Thank you, Harry 👍👍👍
If politicians tell you to do something, the opposite is usually the better option.
Unfortunately, the tax payers have to foot the bill anyway, paying for the stupid decisions politicians made.
Yep, like labelling people who gosh give roper advice on EV's is somehow "hurting" EV sales!
This applies to all areas of life! ;)
I'd replace usually with always!!!!
My experience, but it is more like always and not usually.
YOUR NOT WRONG HARRY I AM A CAR TRADER FOR 50 YEARS TRIED ONE OR TWO ELECTRIC CARS THEN I REALIZED I WOULD BE HAPPIER GOING OUT IN YOUR RANG ROVER SPORT WITH THE LOW FUEL LIGHT ON AS AGAINST A FULL CHARGED ELECTRIC CAR
Coming down from a 2.0l diesel Subaru Forester which could achieve 55mpg on a motorway run (loved that car) which could climb a snowy single track in the snow, I moved down to a Mazda CX3 1.5 diesel which is cramped but does never less than 65mpg and 75 mpg with a soft foot and has a mere £30 road tax. A no brainer when you're just an average pensioner and have to travel at least 10 miles to the nearest supermarket. I suspect this is the real world for most folk. I fill up once every 2 months.
Hyundai Kona Electric, 4yo on Autotrader at £13,495, still 1yr manufacturer warranty (4 years on battery and drivetrain), zero road tax, easily goes 250 miles/charge - you could do your supermarket run at least 12 times with that.
£60 worth of charging = 2550 miles (incl. 15% charging loss), how far do you get with £60 worth of diesel in the CX3?
How often have I changed brake pads and discs over the last 5 years / 110k miles? Never.
Your 75mpg is great, but the car will have disintegrated on your driveway after a couple of years as they don't put any anti-corrosion treatment on them. The days of well built Mazdas are but a distant memory.
I wish we could get the Forester diesel (and Toyota diesel pick up trucks) in the U.S.
55 mpg is extraordinary, not to mention 75!
Americans would never buy those little cars, diesel or not. We have a 20 year old Prius that still gets 45 mpg at 65 mph and around 40 in city. But everyone around us has huge trucks and large SUVs because fuel is cheap.
If you are using Imperial gallons, then your Subaru would still be getting a respectable 45mpg (US gallon = 3.8 L), which is rather surprising even for a small SUV, but moreso because those are 4wd!
There's a massive mis-match between what they are producing and what people want. Real working people haven't got wheelbarrows of cash they can afford to lose in massive depreciation, let alone the cost of a new vehicle these days.
That's the hook, they don't want normal people to have private transport.
Following Bjorn for years.. He has come longs way with knowledge of electrical cars. Very good videos .I think electrical car companies see his reviews.!
Bjorn is the benchmark as far as I am concerned!
I just switched back to diesel after driving an EV for a year. I’m not gonna go back to EV’a until I’m forced to do so, that’s for sure.
I’ve never left my 2500 Ram Diesel as my daily driver. Come and take it..,
I drive an EV and I’d need to lose at least 50 iq points to drive a diesel again but I suppose this is why you’ll need to retire at 70.
I have a Hyundai i-10. Bought it second hand with 50,000 miles on it. It does over 50mpg, £20 annual tax and is very cheap on maintenance. I only use it for popping about, about 3000 miles a year. Bloke at the garage told me as long as it's looked after should get 20 years of hassle free motoring from it, for virtually nothing. Cost me £3500 over two years ago, and I have not had a single problem with it. Starts first time and runs lovely. I don't get people who spend a fortune on cars.
30 years ago Hyundai had some issues, a coworker had one and it was crap. Last year I bought 3 Hyundai Accent diesels for family members and I expect all of them to get 60mpg for at least 10 years use. Things have changed. Resale on your i-10 is very good here, they are liked.
@@robertkubrick3738 That's brilliant news...cheers :-)....You know I been kinda working it out...and I reckon if I buy another petrol car just before they stop selling them in 2035 and I can get say 15-20 years out of it...I will never need to go electric.
@@kevinheath7588 Might get a couple late model and gently used for myself. Cheers
I have the Grand i10 and currently on 71 000 km have zero issues bought it Demo from the Dealer very affordable to run don’t see me selling it anytime soon
@@sa_supercarz8499 I just checked one of those Grand models out on Google, gets a really decent review and looks a fair bit better looks wise than my slightly older i-10 model, only thing is I can't find any here in the UK auto trader magazine, which is a shame.
Your best video ever! Thank you for a sane argument presented with facts, evidence and clarity. You pulled no punches and made a superb case!
Harry & team..
This vlog must be the most accurate and honest reasoning video I have ever seen, I can't argue with any of the facts you put forward... If only more people would just realise the actual numbers involved.
Nice one, Regards Steve
This is my first time listening to Harry's garage. Brilliant presentation. Clear, logical issues and discussion. Tks heaps from Melbourne!!
Just brilliantly presented facts that seem to not be understood by the media at large.
Every politician should be made to watch this video.
It doesn't matter how brilliantly presented the facts are, they will not persuade politicians to become apostates from the new religion of net zero.
harry and clarkson should be in charge
UK Politicians don't seem to like EVs themselves, so why should the VOTERS?
Sadly our politicians are very much misguided and misinformed these days. The lobby groups with the most convincing stories (even if completely untrue) are being believed.
I don't know how we can fix that.
And educated politicians don't make good media personalities.
It's almost like, if you can speak well and are entertaining but know nothing, you'll do as our leader. SMH.
Mind boggling levels of sensible and logical thinking from Harry.
There always is ,thankfully
What's mind boggling is the people making the decisions about what we will be allowed to drive in the future don't seem to have the same levels of sensible
actually nothing is sensible. It is clear that none of you live in a big city; if you did, the noxes and diesel fumes would make you want to have the power to remove all diesels from existence. Trust me on this one. (from a diesel owner in the mid 2000s)
edit. imo, diesels should be banned from getting into cities or alternatively, their owners charged hard for taking their cars within city limits. If you live in a quiet town or village, in the country-side, I understand why you cannot relate to this situation but, trust me when I'm saying it.. I am sick and tired to breath diesel fumes just from going on a walk in the neighborhood. We, those who live in the cities, have the right to breath clean air as well.
@@eugenux that’s fine, but the reality is that not everyone does live in a city. And even the people that do are still entirely dependant on countless diesel vehicles serving their needs. Needs that are not close to being met by BEV vehicles.
Speak to people in the Scottish highlands about how well electric cars work for them…
@@eugenux what fricking diesel fumes if it's a euro 6d car? Come on stop the bullshitting. I got a diesel for long distances not for a damned city
Bjorn Nyland is indeed doing a great job in comparing EV's.
And most of them rather disappoint in terms of range and charging capacity,even with big battery
@@giuistefanjr72I disagree. We rarely use fast chargers and drive 20k+ km per year. EVs have more than enough range for most people. Bjørn has proven this over and over again with the 1000km challanges.
@@amundalfredsen3479 We have driven our Chevrolet Bolt EUV comfortably for trips of 1200 miles. We stop to eat and charge, sleep and charge, and once a day, waste time for a charge.
Most of the time, it is charging at home, and traveling anywhere in our metropolitan area of 7 million people.
@@amundalfredsen3479 How much are you towing? Many people like to tow a caravan.
in UK it seems that there are 550 000 caravans. Its like 1% of population?@@robertkubrick3738
I have been driving the same 4 litre Ford inline six for 25 years. The range is the same as when it was new.
This one of your very best, Harry. You nailed all the issues.
Absolutely agree with you, madam or sir
Absolutely agree with you, madam or sir
Most of those issues he nailed were big luxury car buyer issues though.
Except saying we wanted to go on this co2 journey, I think it’s all crap.
It would be even better if Harry addressed the bigger issue of the fact that Co2 is a trace gas with human contribution being insignificant.
In Sweden there are used car companies who specialise in electric cars. They test the battery and you get a certificate detailing the condition, degradation, etc.
That is not going to convince people.
@@Art-is-craftWhy not?
@@Art-is-craft er, you can get your ICE "Inspected" by experts as well, and that convinces people. WHen i bought my M3 the owner had had a "condition inspection" report pepared by the AA (a UK motoring organsiation) and that seemed to be worth something?
So why wouldn't a BEV that has been inspected be similarly worthwhile??
Dogmatism
Any EV buyer should demand this as part of the sale.
Absolutely sensationally spot on video that EVERY car owner/buyer should watch.The analyzes are to perfection.Many thanks Harry for this amazing contribution to the subject!Needs to be spreed on socials
I completely agree with Harry's analysis on the current EV market. He highlights the critical issues of depreciation, high costs, and practical inefficiencies that many private buyers face. Harry's points about battery degradation and the lack of transparency from manufacturers are particularly compelling. His emphasis on the need for efficiency and realistic expectations aligns perfectly with the reality many of us experience. This deep dive was both insightful and reflective of the current automotive landscape. Great job, Harry!
Bjorn is a legend! 💯
Agree🤩 Bjørn Nyland is the reason we bought our S85D in 2015. Greetings from Oslo Norway😊
Great video Harry. The market for EVs is about to burst as you describe the litany of negative issues. Here in Canada, a recent EV driver slightly damaged the bottom of his EV battery in his 2-year old vehicle. The quote for a replacement battery was $60,000, more than the value of the car, so his insurance wrote off the car. Tell me the insane logic of this debacle. Early-adopter technology in anything new goes through these growing pains. Steer clear of EVs for the forseeable future until sanity returns.
Couldn't agree more,.insanity
what EV was it?
I believe it was a Hyundai.@@SNORKYMEDIA
@@SNORKYMEDIAit was Hyundai ioniq 5
The problem is - I also saw this story; it was covered on TV news. If TV news is picking it up, it's most likely not a very common occurrence.
Hello from New Zealand Harry. Today February 15th 2024, Simon Barnett a host on Newstalk ZB, New Zealand , mentioned you and your views on EVs. Before this i had never heard of you, so after listening to your very logical and practical viewpoint on modern cars, i am going to subscribe to your channel. I can't afford a diesel Range Rover, such as you show here, but would love one, my favourite car. God bless you Sir, and lovely to have made your acquaintance. Robert. (83). NZ Veteran.
There are lots of cheap Range Rovers on Trademe Robert.
Ive been watching Byorn for 10 years he is the go to for truth on batteries. Ive been running my Tesla P85 since new for 10 years 150,000 miles range gone from 245 miles to 220 miles always charged at home and Teslas Superchargers (free for me on my pre 2016 car). The problem we all have we have and will continue to fight wars over oil energy with all its underlying problems of demographic population displacement let alone the bloody weather.
BTW my Tesla always preheats itself in cold weather so is defrosted ready to go and full range but I appreciate to each his own.
As you say Teslas are both efficient and the fastest, looks like Tesla will have the big rig market to itself with its efficiency, owner / drivers see those savings / profits ...........job done.
Other manufactures step up the game engineer / innovate or stagnate........who said lifes fair.
One of your best videos. Very informative and so much common sense discussed. Thank you Harry.
Common sense… lol 😂
Just returned my 2021 Polestar 2 AWD long range. 1. Since delivery the car has been on 17 workshop visits. And finaly one flaw they could not fix, so I returned it. Polestar service has been top notch all the way. But the quality of the car has been so and so.
2. Range by WLTP 447 km. I live in norway and it's really cold 6 months of the year. My last drive started with 85% on the battery, after 171 km I had 8 % left.
3. Battery degredation, say the battery loses 2-3% totalt capasity every year, and in winter with below 0 celsius 15-20%. Usually I charge the car when I get to about 15%. Then I can only charge until 80% on a supercharger. After 80% it takes ages. After 4 years of ownership what will your practical range be? Paid about 50k pounds for the car and I must say paying off a car that gets less and less usable every year just hurts.
I now own a 2015 MB E-class 350 CDI 4-matic, just love it. And in 5 years range will still be the same. Over 1000 km. on a single tank.
Not only capacity but also resistance for instance but their propaganda does not show you that.
Not being smart here, but many of us knew this reality without 50k investment and a personal experience.
@@barry5138Good for you. Yes, and many did not, including the content creator of this channel. I loved the idea of EVs. Silent running, "gasstation" in my own garage, good for my local enviroment, simplicity of drivetrain (never the problem on Polestar), incredible 4wd and power. The main problem is batterytech not being mature enough.
@@MrFreddan79 I need benefits from changing to electric not a list of minuses and that’s why EV sales have hit a stone wall and why none of my family and friends own an EV.
@@bsimpson6204 yes, and I will probably go electric again once batterytech is better. Electric motors are superior to ICE, just needs a better source of power. We still have a 2018 Nissan Leaf in the household. That thing will stay with us forever. As long as range does not drop below 20km.
It's almost as if they don't want us 'peasants' driving cars anymore. But i'm sure you'll be fine Harry.
Actually, if you live in London then you will know that "they" don't!
@@shadowx2k2007 Eh?
WEF 15 minute living zones
Thank you for your point - I really agree to what you‘ve stated about the design of cars (you used BMW as an example) 👍
Absolutely spot on. As an engineer, car enthusiast and owner of a business specialising in the repair of car computer modules I've been working hard to get this message across. But you've delivered this with far more eloquence than me and with a slightly greater reach 😉
You in the UK?
I've a couple water damaged modules (audi a5 radio module) I'm looking for someone to repair
If governments disappeared, so do most of our problems.
What message is that? that sheep follow sheep and can't think for themselves?
@@gigel99324oh I don't suffer from any shortage of independent thought. Enjoy the trolling 🙂
Thank you H for a balanced well researched FACTUAL report . Proper journalism. 😊
all very valid points Harry, one you might have missed out is that not all garages will want to/can repair them as they will never have staff that are electricians and are willing to take on the risks involved with working on them so your local friendly garage will have to be replaced by main dealers at the main dealer prices which normal drivers can not afford to use.
Good job there are minimal moving parts in the powertrain to go wrong then isn't it. All parts outside that of the powertrain are 12v shared parts/suspension/steering/trim the same as all cars however they are powered.
@@adamfry1125the car still needs to go to a body shop if it's had a bump or a crash etc.
They're a pain in the arse to work on as you need to power them down before doing anything & there's a huge fire risk from the batteries so the liability insurance of the garage increases hugely
I can see that becoming an issue when the cars come off lease and owners don't necessarily go back to a main dealer for service.
If there is money to be made on EV servicing / repair then someone will step in. It might not be cheap to start with but supply will meet demand.
Maybe eventually, but that's not going to happen overnight. Meanwhile the value of second-hand EVs plummet because buyers don't want the cot and hassle that goes with them.@@PhineasPhlob
These videos are great. The rest of the media are so poor at looking at the numbers. Thank you.
The " Media " report as their masters direct ( WEF) eat buge and be happy, with all this leasing it fulfills the pledge about owning nothing😮
Well researched and measured presentation - Thank you!
Everyone should watch this video.Very educational Harry and a real eye opener.Cheers
The wonderful Quinton Wilson seems to be the only Motoring Correspondent / Expert who is totally sold on the electric car . This must tell you something !
Very well put Harry. Part of the problem also is manufacturers are constantly looking for ways to charge more for their products they have no interest in making cheap cars as their is no money in it. So we end up with massive expensive inefficient tanks.
This may be the best, most informative, critical video on EVs that I have seen. We all have been thinking it and saying it, the cons are going to outweigh the pros in the long run. Good on you, being a respected motor journalist, talking on this. Toyota needs mentioning as well. Only manufacturer I see talking about the cons of EV.
Basically what Toyota said is that don't put all of your eggs in one basket.
We want to combat carbon emissions? Then let's actually improve our current technology (ICE) to do even better alongside doing alternative solutions as well whether it's a BEV, PHEV, Hydrogen Fuel Cell, or even sustainable fuels.
Dear Harry, I've always thought very highly of you, but this decision makes you a superhero in my eyes. Well done!
It's a simple answer to the problem with electric cars. The manufacturers are refusing to acknowledge it. Most people don't give a dam about 0 to 60 figures. They just want a car that is safe, decent to drive, and has a good range that is affordable. Most don't give a dam about going to 60mph in 2 seconds.
That has always been an issue.
Every car magazine, every car program, every car reviewer is always going on about how much hp it has and how quickly it accelerates. And EVERY car they review or talk about are always ALWAYS the top of the line turbo injection biggest engine model.
IF they do every mention a regular car for regular people with a regular budget then they sneer at it. Call it cheap junk and not something worthwhile. *smh*
Then again, you see the same thing with smartphones. It's always about the flagship model. It's becoming so ridiculous that you can find 12year olds calling a phone that doesn't have a 30mega pixel camera a toy barely suitable for their 6 year old sister. This while 10 years ago a 13Mega pixel SLR was barely in the budget for an amateur.
So called boy racers who are a menace on the roads will be unable to control a car that will go to 60 mph in 2 /3 seconds.
I am by far more interested in handling and comfort. Ive got a Jaguar with active chassie (goes like stink in corners) and it's as comfortable as sitting in a Chesterfield at 62db (whisper quiet) at motorway speed. It costs me €350 a month in total including tyres insurance washing, service, fuel etc etc. It goes very fast in a straight line but I never use it for that.
@christianolsson834 yes I loved my jags. They were always a pleasure to drive. They were obtainable as well, but even the insurance on electric cars is higher, and then the costs to buy, though I believe some are now on a par with ICE cars
@@fly9wheel I owned a turbo charged V8 Bristol that was under 6 seconds if you could control the wheel spin, it required a particular set of driving skills. My wife happily drives our Chinese byd ev which is under 7 seconds not that she cares about the number. The almost linear response encourages confidence in merging overtaking and pulling out ect.
A 5 second time would still be within our limits and occasionally useful to reduce conflict with traffic. AWD EVs are dominated by sub 5 second which is a problem when awd is needed for snow/rural driving in a family suv.
Harry, you're a Legend 👏This video needs to go viral!
Absolutely!
It's hardly breaking news that people want to keep driving big SUV Diesels..... That's why the government have had to legislate
Why does it need to go viral? Because you have an irrational persecution complex?
If it goes viral then he'll be fzct checked and realise half the stuff is factually incorrect.
Finally...someone talking about battery degradation! It's as if the manufacturers don't want you to know about it, but anyone who owns an iPhone (or any other battery operated device) will know that the more charge cycles the battery goes through, the more degraded it will become. At least with an iPhone (other manufacturers are available), there's a screen that tells you the degradation in an easy to digest % format.
Except for Nissan, right there on the dash. I even see pictures labeled "battery health" in the Carvana listings in the US.
Wow, what a great insight! My 2017, 75mpg, Honda Civic does me fine. Quiet on the move, smooth, decent room, massive boot and great build quality, without any squeaks or rattles, it costs me pennies to run, no car tax and the value went up for two years and is only coming down as I put the miles on. I have had one glow plug go and have just changed oil and filters, 4 tyres, a battery and a set of discs and pads in the 3 years I have had it. The glow plug and battery were originals. It has just done 94000 miles (I've put 50k on it), the best value car I have ever had. I paid £8500 in 2020 and they are still describing them on Autotrader as 'a good price' for a similar 2017 90K + mileage at £7495...bonkers! I'll keep this until it falls apart, which will take it forever, it seems. Now that, is efficiency. I'm not against electric, but until the running costs and depreciation come down near my Honda, I'll stick to a more conventional vehicle.
I have a 2003 Honda Accord Tourer 2.4 petrol. Bought it at 4 years old for just over £10,000 36000 miles on the clock. At 118000 miles still going strong. I have it serviced annually just needed new alternator, usual brakes pads etc. exhaust and everything still works fine. Comfortable, fast and not a squeak. It's cost me next to nothing to run over the 16 years I have had it, been everywhere with the family, loads of stuff, fridges, cookers, cupboards and surely fairly environmentally efficient? I loved cars but the price and over complicated nature of them now puts me off. Great episode
@@davidpails901
So you drove 82,000 miles which coverts to 132,000 km. Honda Accord burns 8.4 litres of petrol per 100km in mixed driving, so you used 11,000 litres of petrol. At the price of £1.5 this makes £16,500. Next to nothing, right?
Now with 282g/km of CO2 emissions you emitted 37 tons of CO2 driving your fossil car.
Indavidual with the calculator.
Trees eat the CO2 daily. His 11000 litres of fossel fuel is now a part of the hedge row and local forest!
Oh yeah and the kale you eat for breakfast!
This used bubble never existed back then, market is crazy since a few years, so i'm happy for you but don't base your expectations off that.
@@jonathanelliott-bateman5448 Well, there's more CO2 and less trees
Harry, thank you for putting this across so comprehensively, and fairly. Spot on!
One thing you missed.Harry is that replacement batteries need to be made available at reasonable cost. A replacement leaf battery is 2.5k in Japan, and 10k in the UK.
24:43 I've been saying the same thing. Though you end with saying "replacing EVERY ICE car with an EV will save just 7% of total emissions'. Its probably less than that when you factor in where the electricity is coming from and how it's produced. The supply chain for the battery minerals and shipping of battery packs will further degrade that CO2 percentage.
China is just producing the CO2 so it isn't produced in the UK, it isn't gone, just moved.
It will probably reduce to less than 2 percent in emissions savings when you factor in the deployment of the huge diesel earth movers,giant trucks,cranes support vehicles,air compressors and water pumps that are a necessities in any mining operation .
@@michaelopere5424yet somehow there are EV lunatics who think EVs should be only cars on the road right now
@@michaelopere5424Well said and NOBODY is talking about the human cost-the slave labor and child labor used in 3rd World Countries to extract cobalt and lithium. We’re damn sure not saving _their_ world. But, hey, as long as I can look down my nose at petrol vehicles, who cares how many people died to make it happen???
@@Aaron-zh7qm
The E-vangelists and members of 'Just stop oil' are nothing but a bunch of deluded cult members.Two motoring journalists recently made a 900km road trip from Melbourne to Sydney,their cars of choice were a BMW 740i and an i7,132 Australian dollars was spent to charge the i7 while the 740i was filled with fuel worth 118 Australian dollars,the electric vehicle took two hours to charge while the 740i did not require any refueling throughout the journey.
Analysis like this makes it easy to see why Harry was such a successful businessman. Quite a powerful presentation.
Excellent, Excellent article Harry. So simply put and very clear on the current state of EV's. Ive' been thinking this for 18 months now. We should not be being forced into one-size-fits-all. EV's and ICE all have their place and should be allowed side-by-side.
Excellent analysis - car manufacturers take note:
Regulatory Requirements do not equal Customer Requirements
Products that do not meet Customer Requirements = Products that are not marketable
It’s a breath of fresh air to get unbiased views on this subject. Mainstream media is influenced by advertising and has to quote the politically correct net zero agenda. Well said Harry!
It ain't fresh whilst dinosaur juice guzzlers are on the road spewing god knows what into the air
You're sure about that? I've seen quite the contrary from the media, spinning every EV story as clickbait.
The net zero agenda is absolutely essential is we are to avoid killing our grandchildren. That is not PC, it is a no brainer.
Terrific, factual content. Every motorist should watch this and start to educate themselves. Harry for Transport Minister!
Every politician should watch it!
And every non motorist as well.
What an excellent video Sir, thank you for making so many great points.
Finally someone who has the balls to call out why EV’s aren’t the best option no matter what Billy Bullshit Government officials come out with. Keep up the great work
Plenty of the other channels doing the same for ages...'Geoff Buys Cars' for example
@@DAVIDE-bk8by Geoff Buys Cars just jumped on the MacMaster bandwagon.....those that are savvy already knew this EV dream was exactly that , a dream 🤣
He said they are making the wrong cars. Because we can build powerful EVs does not mean that is the only sort we should be making. I agree. Love or Hate Tesla they are still leading the pack in most aspects of EVs.
Charge at home £5.77 for 250 miles what is not to like plus de-seisel particulates and asthma and climate change ffs
@@ianthompson2516 The price of energy is set by political reasons. Diesel particles is not a problem anymore. Climate change is a natural thing, and there is no climate-crisis. Some diesels, Mercedes is one of them, emit pure breathable air . A Mercedes EV in Germany, is powered by electricity made by burning lignite, the most polluting fuel known, except for burning used tires.
Harry Metcalfe Automotive scholar. Every single point, on point.
Almost. To preserve his 687K subs he's skirting around the truth. And I'd do the same thing. But the truth is: the politicians are but just puppets of Unelected and Unregulated Eurocrats in Geneva. It's their agenda that's being enforced. The very same people who created CBDC's, who aim for blanket UBI (Universal Basic Income). ......
How can Harry not be an advisor to the Government and industry. Outstanding explanation.
Government don't want advisors to tell them the truth. They want advisors to tell them what they want to hear to justify policy decisions.
Probably because Harry says things that most Politicians and Government don't want to hear.
because he is factually incorect #alwaysbecharging
*incorrect 😅@@electricfelix
It's not an explanation, all he did was try to justify why he's getting a Diesel RR sport 😂
My 17 years old corolla still has 100% mile efficiency.
Except it needs to be serviced twice a year
@@therpope Service is cheap
I don't understand the problem, if your EV doesn't give you the performance you want just give it to your butler and buy a new one.... easy solution
@@therpopeOil changes are mostly done by gravity in a Corolla, but you can also suction the oil out the top. Some vehicles have difficult to reach oil filters.
BUT, after 17 years, '@7,500 miles per year,
it's banged out about 25 tons of CO2. @ 1 and 1/2 tons per year.
Best video I’ve seen from Harry and elsewhere.
Full of actual and very interesting facts.
This should be played in front of every politician in the UK and EU.
My merc e320 estate 2003 does 50mph on a run and 36mpg around mixed urban it’s done 200k miles it’s worth about 2k I paid 2.5k 2 years ago , I’m hoping to keep it going it’s a lovely smooth ride and fast and economical
Great car
I’ve got a e220 from 2008 and it’s been very reliable however I hate not having a v8 and now I’ve got a job close to home it’s going and I’m going to get my life back
I had a ‘98 E330 TD Estate, paid £1400 for it and its was such an awesome car, it was one of the most useful cars I have ever owned, fast, comfortable, economical and towed superbly; shame the tin worms loved it too 😢
That's the sensible position, buy a car that suits your needs, run it until the doors fall off, buy another.
probably a very green car over its lifetime compared to the new EVs short life and lack of extensive recycling parts.
Motoring journalism at it's finest 👍
If you like yesterday's thinking.
@@mariemccann5895 u can't be serious? have a little Joke with us I'm sure...😊
About the best discussion I've heard on this subject. Thanks
Non sensationalized, rational, factual discussion from someone who practices sustainability but is also grounded in reality. Thank you for this. I work in the classic car industry, but I'm not anti-EV, they have their place but also have a lot of room for improvement. I believe we absolutely need to work hard at reducing emissions globally, but we seem to be focusing on the minutia rather than the big picture.
Agreed, replacing every privately owned ICE car in the country with an EV won’t make a jot of difference to the overall pollution because personal journeys make up such a small percentage of transport pollution compared to the overall figure that we won’t notice at all.
" believe we absolutely need to work hard at reducing emissions globally," go preach to China
Another superb video, Harry. I'm fed up having EV smoke and mirrors being forced down my throat. I'm also grateful for the opportunity to admire your Range Rover for 28 minutes! Best colour/wheel combination I've ever seen on one!
I read ‘EV smoke’ and lost it before the underdeveloped side of my brain caught-up. Well-done! 😂
smoke and mirrors? Have you actually driven one?
@@dangrass EV SMOKE.
@@dangrassyes. And will not be replacing with ev again!
Thank you Harry for speaking out and telling it the way it is.
Yes evs are the devil's work de-seisel particulates are the future 😢
Old folks ruining Young people lives and environment since ages .
But not as presented here lol
I think the main reason that EV prices drop off a cliff is purely down to the cost of replacing the battery at the manufacturer. Many cheap second hand EVs most likely have batteries fitted that are near the end of their life so will need replacing for another five year stretch.
For many families/people this beyond their financial means.
This means that the second EVs that have batteries that are end of life in them are basically "throw away items" or an "expensive door stop"
Great informative video 👏😁
Have an Ioniq 5 for a company car. Love it. Does what it does very well. Comfortable, different to drive to ICE, but in a decent enough way. Cheap on BIK etc. live rurally and travelled all over remote parts of the country and never found charging or range anxiety a problem either. But, have always said, would I buy and run one privately? No, I wouldn't.
why not? As you have experienced there is nothing difficult about it
Rampant depreciation that is yours to personally enjoy???
because people buy to save money, not the environment @@kevinashurst634
I’ve heard people say the Ioniq 5 can be easily stolen with a simple Bluetooth device…. Not sure how this works but on the video I saw it took about 5 seconds.
Another issue is insurance. My boss has a Tesla model3, and his insurance is currently £2,100, for a 48 year old guy. Hes done with it and currently trying to sell it. This is due to parts supply and Tesla's being written off for just a light nudge.
That's a problem with Tesla. Plenty of much nicer EVs out now.
Its not just due to parts supply its to do with the costs involved in labour charges... guy across from me has got a tesla and his door got scuffed and he had to take it to a body shop 137miles away as they were trained to deal with it
@@vandamonium1731 I'm calling BS on that. Any competent body shop can deal with a scuffed door.
I would agree with you except the door may need to be removed or dismantled. If so, it will a dodecahedral hinge on the door, very complex electronics inside the door card, sensors, cameras, motors..and of course, everything will need to be recoded and that can only be done by an agent with unobtainable software and special Obd type port etc etc @@nealm1814
insurance companies having to store EV away from ICE due to the risk of spontaneous combustion after an accident isn't helping
Your point on efficiency goals vs emmissions is spot on.
I never thought of that and obviously neither did the lawmakers ..
Politicians drive the law-making and they live in another world free of everyday people.
Politicians and lawmakers have no thoughts and are only concerned with lining their pockets first and foremost above anything else.
One of the most, if not THE most, informative and interesting analysis of the EV car market. Well done to you sir. I recently dipped my toe into the MHEV market, having traded in my much-lamented family diesel. Your video has utterly convinced me of the error of my ways. Thanks again for your straightforward and easy-to-understand delivery on a subject that has largely baffled the private car-buying public. Best wishes with your fabulous Range Rover Sport diesel. A very smart choice indeed......and I'm with you all the way on the rationale behind your decision. Take care for now.
I now feel very smug driving a £7K Vauxhall Insignia estate 1.6 Diesel. £20 P/A Tax, ULEZ free, 50-60mpg, 600+ mile range, space for family, all the comforts I need. I've driven it £100K miles with only normal servicing and diesel parts required. Happy days! 🙂
I can only imagine the sleepless nights some people must be having now with overstretching their financing commitments on these new cars now cost of living has gone through the roof and car market as corrected. Your setup must bring you some peace of mind and understandable smugness.
I know a guy that still lives at home into his 30's, got a wife and child. Drives a 50k Tesla!
So you’ve spent at least £12,000 on fuel on that 100,000 miles, at current diesel rates vs an EV charging at that home that would be £1000-£2000 in electric costs. So looking at total cost of ownership, running a second hand EV like the decent Kia Niro for about £17k is a good deal. They are about £15k on Autotrader so plenty of options out there. Will save a few grand on servicing vs your car and there a year or so left before road tax for EVs starts.. can be a fair bit less. Of course the Niro will still retain value over the years and you’ve burnt that diesel. Plenty for folks to think about.
@@joeynessily £2000 to do 100,000mls. Why has my neighbours electric bill gone up £200 a quarter since he bought his Tesla then?
@@cw3728 maybe they are an idiot who hasn’t got an EV specific electric tariff with overnight rates of 7.5p kWh when overnight charging. You can get that from Octopus right now. Tesla can do 4 miles per kWh… that’s 1.8 pence per mile. Or £1800 for 100,000 miles. I’ve had 4.5pkwh tariff locked since before the electric costs went to shit. So I can drive for 1 pence per mile if I don’t gun it everywhere.