For the literal intimidation factor and muscle memory I'll probably always do the zone on gb, but now I will always follow it up with the big boy zone. Amazing buff
@@holdthisforme8235 try fury and berzerker feats on zerk, you deal allot of damage and get none, it's awesome how many "wow!" You wil get spammed with 😂
@@Kitsune_Chara_CG As a returning player CCU was the thing that made me leave for the second time. I just feel like I play so badly now, can't even block most lights and parries are sometimes a big question too.
Thank you freeze this video was very informative I'm a raider main. I got this game season five and im grateful for your videos they have helped me grow into a better player.
Thats missing the point of them tho. One could also argue they shouldnt be class dependent. But orders exist to both encourage a small daily playtime instead of binging and leaving for awhile, as well as encourage different playstyles from your normal gamemodes and characters
@@TheBronzeGamer14 sorry if it's kinda vague. By bash I mean the kind of bash that you can access from neutral such as front dodge and side dodge. Stampede charge is definitely a bash.
I made a reddit post last night about the new OOS gb punish top h3avy into zone. Additionally yoi can chain to another top h3avy to make it completely safe if you chain it again. It does 59 dmg but can keep pressure.
Hidden tech for the OOS throw punish, Raider can change his gaurd when performing a soft-feint GB. Meaning that you hold top gaurd during the zone into GB; you gaurd will become top and guarantee the max punish. Btw, top heavy into top heavy is a better option as you lose only 6 damage but maintain chain pressure and safety.
Also i noticed after wall tackle nothing is guaranteed anymore. I know at least a light at most could connect. Idk about a ZA, but i did not see anything regarding changes to his wall tackle.
I would say Cover raider next (so You have completed raiders aspect of the patch notes), after that orochi and then the patch notes in general. Just my two cents on the topic Great Video as Always, im gonna practise that zone into zone punish. Edit: Tip for those, Who have Trouble Finding the right timing for the Zone into zone punish: Start inputting the first zone a moment after raider letting go of the opponent. This worked for me at least
Nice video! I'm looking for some friends to play with on PC, got the game not long ago and a friend of mine (that doesn't play anymore...) gifted me the Marching Fire DLC, and now i don't have friends to play with XD. I've tried to queue on some vs ia matches, waited for about 15 minutes and dropped the queue...
In my mind Raider should be an aggressive hard hitter (not to the likes of Shugoki but damn sure not soft) So him having the tools to be very offensive heavy fits their lore and design. Playing Raider, I felt like they were lacking in flexibility compared to other Vanguards. To me he should have a good spread of offensive options that give him good mixups, but a decent defensive foundation to fall back on that keeps him as a good vanguard.
I like most of the changes except for two of them. I don't like that they lowered the dmg and uped speed on Raider's heavies. His zone was already guaranteed on guardbreak and executes so that change was completely unnecessary. Kensei does more damage on his opener heavies which make no sense. Either speed up Kensei's heavies and make them the same dmg or go back to the old dmg with Raider. Raider should be the highest dmg vanguard in the game which he is to an extent but his opener heavies should be the same as Kensei's. With Orochi, I think the second light should only be guaranteed on the heavy and light openers. Not every opener. It's impractical imo to keep track of all of that.
The raider rework is really good but I don’t see anyone using it that much. Most I see is just triple light spams but I’m sure that’ll wear off eventually when people get use to the parry times for it and stuff
He surly is fun to play as rn. makes you feel like you are not hindered during gank situations. Only complain I have tbf is damage values being quite high and stamina and damage reduction values being too low. Quite hard to play into raider without bash . Conq should have quite fun time againts him still. Cent or wl? not so much. Other than that OS removal just showed me how hard it can be do defend againts passive ganks
All finishers are supposed to do around 30-38 damage. (Heavy finishers) now I will agree with his zone doing 38 but JJ’s heavys do a a lot also. If I’m not mistaken it’s roughly around how much raiders does? I don’t know I don’t play JJ, but I know his damage was really good.
Honestly, all of the above sounds nice for future videos, but I think the patch as a whole is what i'd wanna see next. The sticky dodge changes, CC nerf, OS removal, etc. is the most game changing things in this patch.
@@theboyscorner9712 Which Event? i Owned most battle passes i didnt finish the Last one tho and i played ever since the Ps plus release so When my main char to this day Black prior got Released
Nuxia main here. She has been deeply neglected by the devs and desperately needs a rework, especially since she never had one, she needs new changes, especially her top light deflect, it does get blocked more often than people think. Her zone is too slow to become a trap punish without the opponent throwing a light to cancel it. make her deflect guaranteed instead of a top light with a potential bleed possibly. Make her heavy finishers into an unblockable or undodgable heavy finisher, with her zone, have a start up light before the heavy finisher which could become a trap and also allow her to have a zone OS. Bottom line is, she's an "assassin" but she falls so short from it, might as well rework her into an "assassin" if they're gonna give her that title. She is definitely a rough road to travel on. Sadly with this new update she's become much worse witch I never thought would be possible. She is as of now the first actual unplayable character until she's reworked, until then, I can only stick with duels and brawls with her and barely scrape by. And if anyone tells me she is fine the way she is, than 3 things, either you're the dumbest person on the planet, or you've never played her for a good amount of time before, or you're intentionally being ignorant and tell me to " just get good" (been playing since release btw) just to negate her needs to adapt to the new changes that have been going on for 3 years since her release.
@@verrat3219 orochi gets 26 on gb, raider 24 (unless you wall throw) orochi has more damage on zone and dodge attacks because he gets his guaranteed light after
Raider has 38 dmg unblockable chain zone how do you beat that? Not to mention the gb punish near the wall gives him 27 dmg + 50 stamina drain + stamina pause or back/side throw whiff light into chain zone for 38 dmg. In competitive duels map he can get it on almost every single gb. And his light parry also deals 27 dmg top. And his OOS punish does 62 dmg compared to Orochi which is 54. You can compare Raider to Orochi about anything except damage being lower.
I mean, this seems a little strong doesnt it? I personally hate going against raider and never really saw him as bad (I'm at like diamond 3 or whatever the rank before GM is) and I think his damage is stupid strong and his early early HA, idk that's just me, seems a little dumb to me
I’d like to see Orochi next. There is a lot of unconfirmed information on him, and I think we should nip this in the bud ASAP to give people accurate info in the comp sub. Edit: I'm one of the mods btw, in case that carries any extra weight when you make your decision.
You think with Raider's new chain and hyper changes people would be using them but nope people still just light spam with him making him no fun to play against. Heck as of right now I've seen more heavies form Orochis then Raider players.
I mean overall it looks like Raider & Orochi's buffs did make them much better, Raider gotta new zone ,etc. & Orochi gotta new kick & etc., So keep talking about Raider so that u can just go right into making a new max punish video for Raider & Orochi!!
I want to hear your thoughts on Orochi specifically him being able to cancel his kick whiffs into a dodge. Do you think this is healthy? After all it was something he couldn't do in TG and it allows him to punish counter attacks that correctly read he was gonna do a kick. Dodge attacks are the consistent punish for nuetral bashes and you can't really do this against Orochi in most cases because he can punish you for it since he can dodge out of his kick recovery.
People still complain about 25+5 dmg (finisher with frame disadvantage) of LB L parry punish being OP when Highlander hit with 30 dmg H in the same situation
@@elhoim_3 blinding justice gives frame advantage iirc, and it does 30 damage + drains a shit ton of stam + stuns you. It is way better then hl’s light parry punish
@@notstonks3773 blind justice (25dmg) + swift justice (5) will cost you almost as much stamina as you drain and give you frame disadvantage, of you do jut the blind one LB parry punisher is a medium dmg stunning attack that cost way too much
Stick with raider videos please, it's a lot easier to follow a string of videos than to wait every week, check and the review previous information on the same hero. Maybe hero specific yt playlists would help this.
@@XcocomocoX like a way to knock opponents out of their attacks that are gonna hit your teammates, like zhanhu zone, that reaches a mile away and is undodgable so it’s a great peel tool
@@XcocomocoX peel is basicly covering your teammates in teamfights and ganks, from getting hit by attacks. A character need a long range attack and a big hitbox, fast attack, both from netural, to have a good peel.
orochi finally got his light attacks changed, thats the most important thing asides from option select removal and crashing charge being nerfed. on consoles im pretty sure orochi was very annoying to fight, but on pc its less hard to do so. even then though im just glad its not three light attacks anymore. and the new bash orochi got is very good for people playing him. he got improved yet at the same time nerfed, and i like that.
Alright, listen, I don't want to be mean to anyone, but lemme drop some hard truth. Raider was still good, just because you remove a stun doesn't nueter him. He was still a beefy boi that was annoying to go up against so long as his player knew what they were doing. It's not gonna be instant gratification, you need to practice with him, not unlike most every other hero. He really wasn't bad to begin with but now he's even more annoying to deal with. Sure, you can attempt to parry, but you're going to get cancelled on and wall splatted if he catches you and now you're liable to take near 3 quarters of your health bar as a Vanguard if he gets a punish off. Point is, he did not need this buff. I can't wrap my head around why people hooted and hollered when they announced his rework details. Same goes for Orochi. He had plenty of openers but now he has a kick, basically Cent without the charged heavies, still unblockable however.
@@derangednetwork7118 better consistency. That’s what he means. Not really smart when trying to claim things were “skillful” back then when using a game’s state as played by subpar set ups.
Why do all the new characters and reworks give them such quick recoveries on missed attacks? feels like you just can't punish wiffs anymore, it's especially noticeable when playing conq with his long af recoveries, it's like playing FH 1 while everyone else is playing FH 2.
Everyone I see play comq immediately goes into all block if they miss an attack, or if they hit an attack, or if you just simply walk into the same area as them.
For the literal intimidation factor and muscle memory I'll probably always do the zone on gb, but now I will always follow it up with the big boy zone. Amazing buff
So satisfying to hit both of them too
Zone into Zone, add the 2nd tier feat that lowers deffense of enemy and THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE
Don't forget fury
You know what’s a lot of damage?
Beserker fury combod with fear itself 😂 my god. I love comboing these sorta stuff 😂 raider beserker etc
Aint nothin flex tape cant fix
@@holdthisforme8235 try fury and berzerker feats on zerk, you deal allot of damage and get none, it's awesome how many "wow!" You wil get spammed with 😂
@@oi3059 the feat "Berzerker" doesn't stack anymore with other feats. Back in the early days it did but now no more
Raider now has mastered the art of Spinjitzu.
Maybe even ninjitsu?
BEYBLADE BEYBLADE LET IT RIP
(cmon it was the obvios joke)
spinjitzu is from the lego show ninjago, y’know the one where they spin a lot
havent played for honor in like 6months, still gotta tune in to freeze
Give it a shot (Hopefully you have played the CCU or else youll fsel like its unfair)
@@Kitsune_Chara_CG As a returning player CCU was the thing that made me leave for the second time. I just feel like I play so badly now, can't even block most lights and parries are sometimes a big question too.
@@anton6499 the ccu is what made me come back haha
@@anton6499 also unrelated to ccu. Option selects are gone. So much fun
@@anton6499 Trust me youll get used to it it takes time and Now you gotta make sum more reads
Thank you freeze this video was very informative I'm a raider main. I got this game season five and im grateful for your videos they have helped me grow into a better player.
Been maining him for a few months now and with this buff I love him even more
I put 70 reps in hil
Him*
I wish so much a rework for orders, allowing us to do every orders no matter the gamemode we are playing
Thats missing the point of them tho. One could also argue they shouldnt be class dependent. But orders exist to both encourage a small daily playtime instead of binging and leaving for awhile, as well as encourage different playstyles from your normal gamemodes and characters
Raider is probably the best hero that doesn't have a bash in this patch.
Zerk?
@@maxarientyl1063 oh yeah how can I forget about him. I was too focused on Raider.
I would absolutely count the stampeding charge as a bash
Stampede charge is the new crashing charge
@@TheBronzeGamer14 sorry if it's kinda vague. By bash I mean the kind of bash that you can access from neutral such as front dodge and side dodge. Stampede charge is definitely a bash.
3:10 if you did raiders old punish for light to top heavy instead of dodge light heavy then it’s the same timing for zone to zone
I havent got a chance to play him yet, but can someone explain the 50/50 with the new updated raider that i see everyone talking about.
I made a reddit post last night about the new OOS gb punish top h3avy into zone. Additionally yoi can chain to another top h3avy to make it completely safe if you chain it again. It does 59 dmg but can keep pressure.
Thank you for this breakdown Freeze
Hidden tech for the OOS throw punish, Raider can change his gaurd when performing a soft-feint GB. Meaning that you hold top gaurd during the zone into GB; you gaurd will become top and guarantee the max punish. Btw, top heavy into top heavy is a better option as you lose only 6 damage but maintain chain pressure and safety.
Yes, you can change guard during the GB animation.
This is more consistent on mouse than on controller.
Also i noticed after wall tackle nothing is guaranteed anymore. I know at least a light at most could connect. Idk about a ZA, but i did not see anything regarding changes to his wall tackle.
I would say Cover raider next (so You have completed raiders aspect of the patch notes), after that orochi and then the patch notes in general. Just my two cents on the topic
Great Video as Always, im gonna practise that zone into zone punish.
Edit: Tip for those, Who have Trouble Finding the right timing for the Zone into zone punish: Start inputting the first zone a moment after raider letting go of the opponent. This worked for me at least
Nice video! I'm looking for some friends to play with on PC, got the game not long ago and a friend of mine (that doesn't play anymore...) gifted me the Marching Fire DLC, and now i don't have friends to play with XD. I've tried to queue on some vs ia matches, waited for about 15 minutes and dropped the queue...
In my mind Raider should be an aggressive hard hitter (not to the likes of Shugoki but damn sure not soft)
So him having the tools to be very offensive heavy fits their lore and design. Playing Raider, I felt like they were lacking in flexibility compared to other Vanguards. To me he should have a good spread of offensive options that give him good mixups, but a decent defensive foundation to fall back on that keeps him as a good vanguard.
3:01 how did roach do that?
the double lights? or the weapon twirl?
@@fkkfreeze weapon twirl
That's a combat emote.
@@fkkfreeze makes sense, I feel dumb now
mr.freeze could you please do a video about orochi's new rework?
I absolutely adore the rework but the new storming taps hurt my soul. And my skull.
The removal of variable timing on his storm tap is pretty depressing... i miss that alot... BUT... Zone into Zone hehe
I like most of the changes except for two of them. I don't like that they lowered the dmg and uped speed on Raider's heavies. His zone was already guaranteed on guardbreak and executes so that change was completely unnecessary. Kensei does more damage on his opener heavies which make no sense. Either speed up Kensei's heavies and make them the same dmg or go back to the old dmg with Raider. Raider should be the highest dmg vanguard in the game which he is to an extent but his opener heavies should be the same as Kensei's. With Orochi, I think the second light should only be guaranteed on the heavy and light openers. Not every opener. It's impractical imo to keep track of all of that.
The raider rework is really good but I don’t see anyone using it that much. Most I see is just triple light spams but I’m sure that’ll wear off eventually when people get use to the parry times for it and stuff
He surly is fun to play as rn. makes you feel like you are not hindered during gank situations.
Only complain I have tbf is damage values being quite high and stamina and damage reduction values being too low. Quite hard to play into raider without bash . Conq should have quite fun time againts him still. Cent or wl? not so much.
Other than that OS removal just showed me how hard it can be do defend againts passive ganks
What is the best OOS punish on parry? Does zone into zone work? Cheers mate✌
I believe it stayed the same, so light into heavy or light to zone
Yes zone into zone is possible
Dodge Stormtap has better s now?
Is it bad that I think the deflects for characters who are capable of it seem completely unbalanced?
Love Raider but they should've brought his damage way down for the live build. Orochi's too. In fact, everyone's damage needs to come down again.
yea the powercreep since the ccu has been very noticeable
It should've remained the same imo. They should give 25 more health to everyone.
All finishers are supposed to do around 30-38 damage. (Heavy finishers) now I will agree with his zone doing 38 but JJ’s heavys do a a lot also. If I’m not mistaken it’s roughly around how much raiders does? I don’t know I don’t play JJ, but I know his damage was really good.
Guys did they remove the option selects in this update or not? I thought it was supposed to but there is nothing in the patch notes.
They did
@@monkeman9529 But i dont see it in patch notes
@@alugartttt it was in the warriors den, plus they legit don’t work in game anymore
im so happy, hes finally playable.
Honestly, all of the above sounds nice for future videos, but I think the patch as a whole is what i'd wanna see next. The sticky dodge changes, CC nerf, OS removal, etc. is the most game changing things in this patch.
Raider meta stories next? 😊
Did you see the recoveries on orochi? They're insane
Yo Freeze, what's the axe you're sporting on your Raider? Can you tell me if not a problem? Could not find it.
I think it’s an old event weapon or from the first battle pass
Edit: Yeah it’s from an old event
@@Stormy-cj6oi So I can't get it now? Fuck. That made me sad. It would look sexy on my chainmail Raider.
@@theboyscorner9712 Which Event? i Owned most battle passes i didnt finish the Last one tho and i played ever since the Ps plus release so When my main char to this day Black prior got Released
@@Kitsune_Chara_CG it’s from the black prior ripost event I think
It's actually from the Black Prior event, they even redid the event when the pandemic hit
So it looks like orochi kick is almost unpunishable now with the new dodge cancels? I'm curious to see that tested
I haven't played since before jorm came out, why are damage numbers so weird for heavies? Why 27 and 24 and not 25 or 30?
Ccu update
Damage overall has been lowered, your average heavy does 24 or 27 damage respectively
I feel like the storming tap has more i frames now
I can feel his double zone is going to be a nightmare to deal with now.
I'm so happy cuz I could never get used to zone on gb and my attacks are always blocked
Nuxia main here. She has been deeply neglected by the devs and desperately needs a rework, especially since she never had one, she needs new changes, especially her top light deflect, it does get blocked more often than people think. Her zone is too slow to become a trap punish without the opponent throwing a light to cancel it. make her deflect guaranteed instead of a top light with a potential bleed possibly. Make her heavy finishers into an unblockable or undodgable heavy finisher, with her zone, have a start up light before the heavy finisher which could become a trap and also allow her to have a zone OS. Bottom line is, she's an "assassin" but she falls so short from it, might as well rework her into an "assassin" if they're gonna give her that title. She is definitely a rough road to travel on. Sadly with this new update she's become much worse witch I never thought would be possible. She is as of now the first actual unplayable character until she's reworked, until then, I can only stick with duels and brawls with her and barely scrape by. And if anyone tells me she is fine the way she is, than 3 things, either you're the dumbest person on the planet, or you've never played her for a good amount of time before, or you're intentionally being ignorant and tell me to " just get good" (been playing since release btw) just to negate her needs to adapt to the new changes that have been going on for 3 years since her release.
The double orange donuts are so much fun
Raider is so much fun now
The only thing I have an issue with is that orochi just does more damage per hit than raider now which is ridiculous
which moves do more than raider?
@@verrat3219 orochi gets 26 on gb, raider 24 (unless you wall throw) orochi has more damage on zone and dodge attacks because he gets his guaranteed light after
Raider has 38 dmg unblockable chain zone how do you beat that? Not to mention the gb punish near the wall gives him 27 dmg + 50 stamina drain + stamina pause or back/side throw whiff light into chain zone for 38 dmg. In competitive duels map he can get it on almost every single gb. And his light parry also deals 27 dmg top. And his OOS punish does 62 dmg compared to Orochi which is 54. You can compare Raider to Orochi about anything except damage being lower.
@@XT-ATTACK Raider zone does more damage duh. It's 24 dmg compared to 14+4
@@randomuser-mv7bb u right don't know what i was thinking typing that out
Now only lb, jorm and shaolin are i dire need of a rework
Jorm is not that urgent
@@bigboygrease5922 dunno man, all his stuff is reactable easily
@@sironyx1741 yeah I feel like he just needs a buff rather than a full rework lb and shaolin need full reworks
pog
My secret is that raider is finally awesome.
Damn Nice Seeing you Here Your vids are Very Noice So We gonna see Maybe smth with Raider Soon?9
Talk about Orochi next, that kick recovery terrifies me
I just felt like watching freeze and he uploads love you freeze no homo
I mean, this seems a little strong doesnt it? I personally hate going against raider and never really saw him as bad (I'm at like diamond 3 or whatever the rank before GM is) and I think his damage is stupid strong and his early early HA, idk that's just me, seems a little dumb to me
I’d like to see Orochi next. There is a lot of unconfirmed information on him, and I think we should nip this in the bud ASAP to give people accurate info in the comp sub.
Edit: I'm one of the mods btw, in case that carries any extra weight when you make your decision.
How about raider being able to parry cancel into charge.
Like warmonger & Lawbringer can
For the same reason raider has tap and LB not while it would make more sense the opposite, I suppose
For the same reason lawbringer has a viable stun mixup while it would make more sense the opposite, I suppose
@@michaelbrando6278 are un using my spell against me?
It’s a simple spell, but quite unbreakable
So he is heby on red now? wow LEGENDARY
Honestly I'm to terrified while fighting him at the moment. As well has orochi 😦
what happened with the shinobi?
They are going to put him back in testing grounds i think
Play Raider to show people not to be afraid of the heavy button.
You think with Raider's new chain and hyper changes people would be using them but nope people still just light spam with him making him no fun to play against. Heck as of right now I've seen more heavies form Orochis then Raider players.
Orochi next 🙏🏼
After the patch raider might just replace shoguki
I was wondering if with the warlord nerf if Raider could take his place competitively.
Cover the whole patch next!
I mean overall it looks like Raider & Orochi's buffs did make them much better, Raider gotta new zone ,etc. & Orochi gotta new kick & etc., So keep talking about Raider so that u can just go right into making a new max punish video for Raider & Orochi!!
about on what to do next... um how about all of the above XD Seriously though i'd like an overview of the patch if you put a gun to my head
I want to hear your thoughts on Orochi specifically him being able to cancel his kick whiffs into a dodge. Do you think this is healthy? After all it was something he couldn't do in TG and it allows him to punish counter attacks that correctly read he was gonna do a kick. Dodge attacks are the consistent punish for nuetral bashes and you can't really do this against Orochi in most cases because he can punish you for it since he can dodge out of his kick recovery.
Next video idea: explain that roach isn't overtuned
That'll be a hard one
lmao
roach literally has the safest bash in the game rn imo xD
@@marzialalfonzocanada888 factual actually, or maybe not cuz it's from 300 to 500 milliseconds
@@wes509 yeah but I wonder why they thought it was ok to make the bash recovery dodge cancellable it's pretty wack imo
Top heavy, AND ZONE off osgb? Fury marker meta time.
All I’ve been seeing is light spamming raiders
I agree with you brother
we need metal trials back now
Good video
freeze pls do orochi, since he also got changes, get the characters out of the way, then do the patch changes
damn his oos punish is busted but I guarantee people are still gonna complain about Lawbringers first
People still complain about 25+5 dmg (finisher with frame disadvantage) of LB L parry punish being OP when Highlander hit with 30 dmg H in the same situation
@@elhoim_3 blinding justice gives frame advantage iirc, and it does 30 damage + drains a shit ton of stam + stuns you. It is way better then hl’s light parry punish
@@notstonks3773 blind justice (25dmg) + swift justice (5) will cost you almost as much stamina as you drain and give you frame disadvantage, of you do jut the blind one LB parry punisher is a medium dmg stunning attack that cost way too much
@@elhoim_3 doesnt cost as much stam as u drain, both attacks combined costs 18 stam and they drain 30 stam from the enemy + stuns them.
u dont even know what busted means. lawbringer still has better punishes lmaooo. and gladiator is what busted punishes look like
why isnt there just simply a special guard break -> heavy move on every character? really no need to have people memorize directions on this
Stick with raider videos please, it's a lot easier to follow a string of videos than to wait every week, check and the review previous information on the same hero. Maybe hero specific yt playlists would help this.
2:43
*me who's horrified of raider anyway*
"fuck"
Do radur pls
Orochi, ups and downs.
Heavy Spam is now ALIVE in for HONOR???????????
If Heavys Are Spam Then Well i may aswell be a dickhead for daring to To even Attack
@@Kitsune_Chara_CG
interesting way of typing
banger vid #thanksfreeze
Raider still B tier, still no undodgable, still no bash.
I don't think raider will be meta. The hero still doesn't have peel, which is very important.
peel?
@@XcocomocoX like a way to knock opponents out of their attacks that are gonna hit your teammates, like zhanhu zone, that reaches a mile away and is undodgable so it’s a great peel tool
@@XcocomocoX peel is basicly covering your teammates in teamfights and ganks, from getting hit by attacks. A character need a long range attack and a big hitbox, fast attack, both from netural, to have a good peel.
@@Blackwolf-ud5je i mean large hitboxes might Not be the problem, but These heavies arent really fast
idk his heavies are pretty rangeful
Le Raider Spammer hyper armor
Orochis bully raiders
Raider for ever
Where Shinobi rework
Not coming out
They’re holding him back till next weeks testing ground 🤦🏽♂️
@@bdgctruz5786 where did they say this gimme a link
Use your brain and look it up genius
@@booooooosh9511 na, I’ll just keep asking till I get an answer
orochi finally got his light attacks changed, thats the most important thing asides from option select removal and crashing charge being nerfed. on consoles im pretty sure orochi was very annoying to fight, but on pc its less hard to do so. even then though im just glad its not three light attacks anymore. and the new bash orochi got is very good for people playing him. he got improved yet at the same time nerfed, and i like that.
Orochi wasn't annoying at all it's only the plebs of the console community that whined about it
As a rep 51 orochi I am nutting all over the place with this new rework. Some things got nerfed but he is actually viable in group fights now
Wtf was people talking about yeah shinobi in testing grounds was a fucking unit but raider is cancer now
I wanna know when he became “not good”
@Imtiaz didn’t they just remove his flash bangs?
he was dogshit for years
Alright, listen, I don't want to be mean to anyone, but lemme drop some hard truth. Raider was still good, just because you remove a stun doesn't nueter him. He was still a beefy boi that was annoying to go up against so long as his player knew what they were doing. It's not gonna be instant gratification, you need to practice with him, not unlike most every other hero. He really wasn't bad to begin with but now he's even more annoying to deal with. Sure, you can attempt to parry, but you're going to get cancelled on and wall splatted if he catches you and now you're liable to take near 3 quarters of your health bar as a Vanguard if he gets a punish off. Point is, he did not need this buff. I can't wrap my head around why people hooted and hollered when they announced his rework details. Same goes for Orochi. He had plenty of openers but now he has a kick, basically Cent without the charged heavies, still unblockable however.
@Imtiaz *looks at Hito and Gryphon*
Biggest brain characters, wutchu mean
@@derangednetwork7118 better consistency. That’s what he means. Not really smart when trying to claim things were “skillful” back then when using a game’s state as played by subpar set ups.
The only thing I’m saying is the free 1/3 health bar on gb is absolute horse shit
24 damage on GB is not even 1 health bar. A health bar is 25. Don't know what you are on about.
I can press buttons on raider again :)
Orochi is busted now
I'm so happy
Raider is my friend.
Why do all the new characters and reworks give them such quick recoveries on missed attacks? feels like you just can't punish wiffs anymore, it's especially noticeable when playing conq with his long af recoveries, it's like playing FH 1 while everyone else is playing FH 2.
Everyone I see play comq immediately goes into all block if they miss an attack, or if they hit an attack, or if you just simply walk into the same area as them.
Broken*
DO OROCHI!
Stick with Raider please.
Raider has always been good he hasn't always been recognizably good
:RareRaider:
Now all they need to add is stuntap and boom s tier
RAIDER TOP!!
Yeah, i mean he was SOOO bad before, said nobody, ever