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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ม.ค. 2020
- This video was quite a bit of work.
I hope I covered everything relevant and gives everyone a better understanding of what it actually means to successfully gank someone.
I did not include any Centurion stuff, because that will be irrelevant in a few weeks (hopefully).
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As a Centurion main its pretty simple
1. Wait until enemy is in undefendable frames
2. Pin opponent
3. *Censored*
4. Enemy deleted
I am a Centurion main aswell and I can feel it.
Except for the fact, that people are too stupid to guardbreak while I'm charging my -laser- Heavy
*step 1 is entirely optional by the way*
As a jorm main I love being with cent mains
Stani Also quite simple as shaman
1. Wait until teammate bleeds enemy
2. Eat
3. ???
4. Profit
most Centurions i fight do that Pin attack from a distance lol
"ganking techniques"? you mean there's more to ganking than just throwing heavies and unblockables as mindlessly as possible at one person until they're dead, & then emote spamming and/or saying "thanks! good fight!" while they're getting executed? I must be playing a different game.
Getting heavy spammed is a good thing for the outnumbered player. It feeds revenge while dealing minimal damage. Don't attack back and worry about keeping you guard up, and time your revenge activations. Getting ganked like that is free renown. What you should be afraid of is ally gb into shaman bleed into hitstun into bite. Minimal revenge gain and no opportunity to fight back (excluding a few characters).
@@awayinmymind3970 My comment was complete and utter sarcasm. Lol. I was making fun of most people who gank in dominion and do the things I listed over and over again, then complain about how "broken" the revenge mechanic is.
Shugoki is so fucking good for ganking lmao
@@ladyashen844 Normally I'm on the receiving end and my revenge just straight up refuses to activate or even fill up after I'm bashed into oblivion, gb'd, blocking heavies, parrying, anything. But if I so much as fuckin whisper to an enemy player...
Lmao so true.
Bold of Freeze to assume people would follow ganking tutorials when they still consistantly hit you out of Shaman bite
Or probably try and fail even worse:
Me: Just like we practiced ok?
Teammate: Okay.
Me: *wallsplats enemy for Unblockable Finisher*
Teammate: **interrupts my punish**
stop wallsplatting in ganks!!!!!
@@fkkfreeze Lol thanks, I already got corrected on the server.
I just started playing her and now I know your pain
@@cheemborg1301 Or just generally crap matchmaking, I've seen 100+ reps still fuck things up like that
The gank at 13:51 was intoxicating
The duo gladiator one was pretty satisfying too.
dirty ;)
I rewatched that about a hundred times. Such a cool gank technique
I watched it like 15 times. That was the nastiest thing I've ever seen. (In a good way)
Yeah but also gives revenge, so caution on the follow up
this video is so needed
its a meme that ganking needs no skill
but you still need knowledge to gank
the when and how especially
People who say that ganking is not a skill are the same people who think that the game is purely a 1v1 game.
It’s still not satisfying tho
@@tendericed2749 for you
@Van Den Berg congratulations on bringing the exact person Freeze ridiculed in the beginning. You're an idiot
@@wyvern5890 I see on every for honor video and writing toxic comments.
*faraam screaming in corner*
freeze: *makes ganking technique video*
faraam: *heavy breathing*
Knowing him he’ll find some sort of counter play
@@juicyvortex7204 bp is the only one who can anti gank without a lot of counter play, for example a shaman can pounce if you are bleeding and it is confirmed if you block, parry or dodge with a teammate to force a reaction there is nothing anyone can do except bp due to fast flow into bulwark. Same thing with zerker zone into a lb long arm unless zerker hits you.
The_Dark_Prince 6 yea but I’m talking about other characters. I always see him predicting guard breaks and bashes and stuffing them with a light
@@juicyvortex7204 Predictions are not a reliable way to stop a gank. Besides, a blocked light guarantees a Guardbreak, unless you're playing a character with enhanced lights.
This example is highlighted at 2:31 in the video as well.
Freeze I can feel your frustration with matchmaking fueling your intent behind this video lmao
20 damage toestab ganks with no revenge gain.
Now THIS is where flailing angrily with no skill will make you win the fight.
Toestab is 600ms, reactable on all platforms.
Only when you are getting ganked by a really smart team will that work...which if you are getting ganked by a smart team.
You will lose regardless.
JuSt DoDgE it’s funny cause even if the toe stab doesn’t land fully unlike most bashes it’ll still do damage and confirm full damage follow up heavy.
JuSt DoDgE the thing is that 600ms bash is the borderline for reactabliltu for most people, is the only bash that damages on hit, freeds like 0 revenge and does more damage than most bash guarantees.
@@Elpenor Problem is even if you are fighting against two idiots, they will eventually catch up that you are dodging their toestabs and start GBing you because they are not getting mauled by you getting revenge as fast as you should. And punishing toestab in ganks is pretty much impossible if you don't have a dodge attack.
Theres not much risk to missing it and it can be confirmed off block stun, so it is pretty deadly. Take a scenario where you block something like a JJ zone, then take a toestab for 20 + a 35 damage finisher back into sifu into zone into exactly the same thing
That Jorm and BP at the end, were like the Avengers.
13:51
*hits enemy twice with blocked lights* REVENGE
*blocks every attack, parries 2 unblockables and takes a cent kick* revenge where you at?
On GODDDDD
This is such a much needed video, thx papa Freeze! I hope this will results in more proper ganks in random mms.
Glads toestab giving literally no revenge is so stupid
Great video, those creative ones towards the end were really cool if difficult coordination-wise to pull off.
Kind of wish throughout the video we had more POVs of the gankee rather than the ganker(s) to have a better idea of which gank techniques fed the least revenge.
As a follow-up to this video I think a good topic would be how to deal with a situation when the gank ends up triggering revenge for the enemy, in what situations should you stall for revenge to run out (and how to do so), and in what situations should you "attack" an opponent with revenge.
I just noticed while typing this out the description: "This was quite a bit of work", so I feel bad now for asking so much of you. Either way, thanks a lot to you and everyone involved in the making of the videos, be it testers or "actors".
Nice, I've encountered the shaolin gank once (out of 90 reps) and didn't know what to do, but was amazed.
Now at least I know how to "counter" it.
Be me, an above average FH player appreciating the informative video.
Actual big brain gamer response: "wOW WhY ArE YOu sUpPoRTiNg tHE GaNk MEtA?"
@@fl4k_40 I suppose that is more up to the individual to decide. But for me I consider anyone that has a good grasp of the games general mechanics/fundamentals to be an above average player.
This means people who understand things like gb vulnerabilities, recoveries, how and when to rotate, how to manage stamina/revenge, etc.
Basically if you're aware of the game you're in and take actions to help shift the overall direction of a match then you're above average.
If you don't care about swinging a match in your favor, if you continue to not take advantage of situations that help you or others win a gank/team fight, etc then you're just an average player.
Oh baby another video from the man himself keep it up
Finally, the video I’ve needed
Every single for honor player needs to watch this
Freeze, you're the best
Very informative. This also shows a lot of issues with the game.
I've never seen a more broken game I can't stop coming back to.
Don’t forget to bow at the start of the gank, to keep it honorable smile
Haha joke's on you, my team doesn't need a guide on how to gank, all they do are honorabru duels at A
Havent seen that since 2017.
@@Elpenor which region are you playing in? cuz I get into one of those matches at least twice whenever I get on
@@chrissosa3723 Really ? Im playing in EU and this like never happend again since the start of the game.
@@EddieMorphling for real? I play in NA region and I'm often placed in a match where they just stand there playing duels at one of the capture points, and if I try to finish my opponent, my teammate retreats and says sorry in the quick chat
that happened to me few times as well in EU. But its rather happening when we are breaking. Still nice to see some honor
I think a good adage for people not confident in their ability, if you aren’t being targeted, filling the gankie’s hit indicator with feinted heavies (preferably unblockables) is a great way to confuse them especially if they always go for the parry.
Freeze: “Don’t end up a fool in some random anti-gank montage throwing non-stop top heavies”
Everyone in the playerbase: “goNE tOp hEaVy”
Damn didnt know i Main a good ganking hero 😅 32 reps on warlord and still something to learn... Thanks freeze
always helpful both for rookies and veterans
Omg the double glad coop gank is op !!
BP and jorms is stylish too
Another insane tutorial!
As much as this info is necessary and helpful, my opponents now have this as well. Just tryin' to make my life harder huh Freeze? Lol
3:33 bruh that F bomb got me good
When ganked prolong time that your teammates do something useful.
Me, prodly: I managed to stall 3 competent enemies despite their tricks enemies for two minutes,my allies sure control map now.
My teammates: trying to gank one guy for 2 minutes spamming heavies and then all proceed to die.
One of my favorite things to do as Nobushi is setting up a Shaman for a bite. It's very satisfying.
Nice vid. Can you make a vid on how to anti gank? Not necessarily on how we win every anti gank but how to stall as much time as possible.
Honestly the thing that annoys me is still that bashes can give heavy attacks. IMO a bash should only grant a little bit more damage than what is already guarantees. It's not really fair that a 600ms, high tracking toestab should guarantee a 50 damage unblockable, especially since it's possible to be put into situations where you *will* take high damage whether you want it or not.
It’s not really high tracking, the main issue with toestab is it doesn’t feed any significant revenge, any bash into heavy will give you anywhere from a third or half your revenge bar.
Bruh that glad gank at the end was... scary.
Drongalorg and Itdamerati are both my friends, you destroyed them! GGs
Are the rules for dmg reduction different if you gank with Aramusha? With him my target often gets reduction, while with other characters thats not to be the case.
I love it when I come across cooperative players, I myself am pretty good at coordinating even with randoms. But sometimes people just won't give the chance and stagger me or throw random attacks and bashes.
Did you post this on Amino? Should get featured asap
To the people complaining about this setup ganking being "unfair" or "toxic", just understand that there is plenty of counterplay to most of these ganks that is just as interactive and makes up a large amount of the depth and enjoyability of 4v4. In fact the more "beloved" heroes are the ones that have mindless ganks that chain from punishing whiffs into 100+ damage combos, such as shinobi and centurion. Revenge itself as a mechanic is primarily a stalling tool because your opponents usually have the ability to weezel away before you can finish them off, anti-ganking is an inconsistency, while admitably not being as thrilling as coming out on top in an out numbers situation, stalling is not an inconsistency such as anti-ganking.
Not to mention that the entire POINT of ganking is that it's unfair
I never understand why people call ganking unfair. i mean why else would you do it? Its basically more difficult for the enemy or you to get out of a fight.
For me its a tool to help win a fight. Unlike being ledged by certain heroes which i wont name
When you said "Pop a Coke and keep Shadowplay on" I spilled my Pepsi Max. Frederick, Cmon, don't give out bad advise.
Another very good gank is when you have a shinobi, gb to guarentee lr heavy then gb again to guarentee sickle rain which in turn gives your team a heavy
Mind if I ask you what kind of options I have as a Nobushi player ? I don't really want to kick (except if the enemy bleeding and I can make a wallsplat), because it feed a large ammount of revenge, and other than I really don't know what to do. Also thanks for the video, it will be usefull. I used to baiting the enemy to a side parry and hit them with a heavy if they don't cancel it.
Fun fact. If you hold (Y) (Xbox revenge) but don't let it go you can still activate it while in hit stun if you let it go after being struck.
Black priors oath breaker is awesome for when the enemy gets revenge you can just take their shield away the second they get it
O cara que fez a legenda em pt-br: valeu.
Next up, team fight basics? (external attacks, target switching, minion locked attacks and so on)
The amount of times a teammate has cancelled my cutscene makes wish I could cutscene them instead
Wanted to add this info to other people, when gladiator skewers somebody shaman can only get her bite off the first bleed tick, if gladiator holds the skewer shaman will bounce off. With this video maybe a combo would be skewer into top light hit stun and then bite into glad heavy
a roach on my team was screaming into the mic about how im feeding revenge when he was just spamming the same heavy light combo like its gonna mix up the warlord any better the fourth time than the first.
Good tip for ganking. Please interrupt shamans bite. It’s a very good idea for damage and revenge. Best idea
I intentionaly go 1v2 or more, but sometimes i get to situation where they both are feinting attacks and changing theme to unblocables or kicks and those tings and it only makes harder for me.
11:52 Shaman tries to reapply bleed after bite lmao
Hit stun has irked me for awhile. You say it wears off after two hits but I swear I've eaten upwards of 4 heavys from it. I think high damage reduction should kick in after the first hit because it gets to be a massive amounts of gaurenteed damage you eat just from that slight window. Glad the discussion has moved in this direction !
Or maybe not have 40 damage neutral heavies on half the games heroes :)))))))
Jesus that glad gank at the end is nasty, but couldn't you use one of the toestabs at the end for a heavy? That would've killed the LB but idk if you can't cause wack recoveries and such
Altough this gank probably gets removed with his rework, here is Cent gank : Cent charged heavy cannot be confirmed from cgbs (at least as far as I know, feel free to correct me), but in can be confirmed from a non countered gb combined with the hitstun of the heavy punish. A fully charged jab can also be confirmed with a block/parry stun.
or as my favorite moment. Charged Jab will be confirmed if the enemy pops revenge before impact
As a Shaman Main, yeah please, expand the topic and videos on it.
She relies on good Ganks and so far it's almost impossible to find.
You, sharing your knowledge on it to the majority of the Community, might help a lot
I like to play nobu when I see a shaman on my team. :)
When playing shaman i really hate ganking, because not one single time have i NOT been interrupted by a teammate when i was biting someone
On a sidenote, glad's toestab needs to feed more revenge than it does now. Either that or remove the 10 additional damage granted by haymaker.
Usually don't get haymaker until have way through the game. Feats are so ass it's ridiculous I'd just leave it he it keeps em usuable like kiai keeps orochi and shinobi usable.
@@blankblank1257 It should still give way more revenge than it does now though.
I just realized that the devs removed the old emote lines anybody know when and why?
13:51
My friends and I did that but with a third and he was hitokiri and did the unblockable while our Jorm was slamming when the enemy was being flipped by BP (me) and our hito got the execution
I knew Gladiators toe stab was unfair. Maybe that's why he's my highest at rep 18 😂 😂
It’s good to be a high rep on the bigger leagues, in there everyone knows their stuff, poor ppl still on lower reps tho rofl
I feel the only thing that one can do to anti gank is just be aware of where your opponents are and try to push all opponents away from yourself. With most of the techniques shown in the video the opponents are very close hence why keep them occupied by gaining distance aka bashes and quickly switching targets to light and distract opponents from seeing the opportunities in the video. But other than that there are unwinnable situations in almost any gank from more opponents showing up to good set ups by your opponents.
That’s part of the stalling method, rolling early, spacing, prediction zoning/chaining, in fact most these ganks like the Shaolin and zerker gank are pretty easy to avoid
This is the bible of 4v4s.
Thought the title said f***ing techniques and I saw shaman like “wtf ngga”
if it wasnt for the last event i would have forgotten the long arm of the lawbringer. made me mad when i see 3 long arms coming at me and i can only dodge one of em.
Bru that hole beginning section people where properly dodging and they still got tracked and hit How and why???
me and my girlfriend worked together to crreate our own ultimate shinobi gank.
lets just say it involves a lot of roling and we haven't seen anyone who could counter it :)
(a bit sad that she doesn't play this game as much as she did)
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Great! Now I only need Friends who play For Honor with me...
You on xbox ?
so basically, if the gankers actually know what they are doing, u stand 0 chance of surviving
not really theres plenty of counterplay against even the best ganks
I see that you use black prior as your dummy in this video a lot. I need to point out that he is the only exception to the block stun rule. Do not try this stuff against a Prior. They don't get block stunned. They can flow directly into Bulwark stance and do a Bulwark counter immediately after blocking any attack.
its true what ppl are saying here. this game has been out for 3+ years, and if you haven't realised by now that the optimal way to play dominion is to make a fight club at an objective and fish for light parries so ppl think you're good at the game... idk what to tell you.
put this video on the client. i wish more people watch it so i can play only against opponents instead play against my teammates either
What we need is a way to get out there to the public to not interrupt my fucking punishes
My first experience in a gank was against 2 Lawbringers where they impaled me 24/7 :(
They dragged me literally through the whole map and I couldn't do shit because of that "hitstun"
thats a literal Pain Train
Was it on Sanctuary Bridge? :)
@@youswallow11 nah, it was on the temple garden. from point c to point b :P
Imagine needing a video to win a 4v1
Many people do that don’t watch these videos at least we are learning
I have one question
When I say hey I'm going to do a bite
What does that mean
It simply means...
*H E B Y*
It means shaman are going to jump on someone and bite them
So help them out with lots of top heby
Permission to marry your channel?
Der Gank mit BP und Jormun haut an so richtig die Prügel raus.
The one on 13:53 made me scream.
here’s how i do it “INCREDIBILIS”
Hey I'm in this one :O:O:O:O
Most of these I already knew but due to teammates who don't know I get alot of salt for trying to give them a free heavy or whatever.
What is ganking I’m rep 50 and don’t know what this is sum1 explain
what would we do without freeze
If I'd get hit with that at 13:51 id probably brake something.
Toestab gank here
I feel like I know how to gank pretty well. I mean I did it back when the whole "honor code" Was being shoved down anyones throat how didn't follow it to fuckin heart lol
"I did not include any Centurion stuff, because that will be irrelevant in a few weeks (hopefully)"
It better be.... its an absolute disgrace!
Cent got nerfed in Q3 2017, its 20 fucking 20 now.....
I do a zone after the stampede and knee with raider. Fucks em up.
gets you parried if the guy practiced it
@@fkkfreeze I've literally never been parried doing it. Maybe I'm lucky, but I do it allllll the time.
Here's a simple rule; if you encounter a 1v1 and your teammate is winning, don't spam attacks and feed revenge to your oponent, he'll get revenge and then kill you both. Try to distract him, faint some heavies, don´t attack unless your sure you'll hit him and avoid bashes, they feed tons of revenge. And DON'T interrupt your teammate's punishes, that means you people who atack during shaman's bite.
best anti gank tool is toestab XD
Simple on how to counter this.
Alt+F4
Dud, PS4 tag?????
People still fuck up the easiest gank in the world.
Guardbreaking an opponent while the hitokiri uses her tier 4 feat.
Imagine 1 centurion and 3 jorms
Almost everyone in the for honor community : **Screams**
How to counter 4 man gank? R U N A W A Y
Yeah but even when your ganking that BP and getting the double heavies he still ends up getting revenge... there's plenty of times I'll get ganked by only two players and I'll get NO revenge even after deflecting and getting a parry or two... It doesn't make any sense. I truly think revenge is altered by which hero you play as and your overall reputation.
send me whatever clip that you think has revenge not working correctly and I'll gladly explain it to you.
But it's bad to gank right?
That's nice but yeah most people play like apes so unless you're with a coordinated team that only fight together against isolated players most of these techniques won't be as useful (you're always getting interrupted by a member of your team too eager fot the kill)