Conspiracy conspiracy Mr Undone!… I reckon Canon only paid you, for you to SAY they paid you… when in fact they know they didn't pay you, even though in reality they did… Errrrr
It's refreshing to see someone focussing on the positive sides of a product. It is way easier for all of us to just bash on the things we dislike and there are more than enough of those videos out there. Keep it up!
I haven't found anybody who talks as fast and makes as much sense - you're message is always clear as a bell, that's a real talent. Thanks for jumping out in traffic and spreading this fair side of the R. Seems so many reviewers just want the camera their own way, and fail to mention the "other" people out there who are going to find this a very nice camera. The most important thing about this camera is that it is finally going down the road of mirrorless and the huge potential Canon's opening itself up to (along w/ the others) - and they did a very fine job of making a still camera for photography. And you just stated that and I thank you....
I really like this review. So many others are 1) just noise & 2) compare every new camera to the best hypothetical camera, taking the best traits of everything out there, and criticize every new camera for not having everything the best camera has. If it did, it would be called, “camera,” and there would only be one company making “camera.” Competition & innovation are the best for consumers. I mean, they act like no human being has ever been able to take photos with a camera before the latest camera came out. Thanks for pointing out these features!
Gerald Undone I’m curious about the data rate of the EOS R, 480Mb/s seems like great quality on paper. Have you compared it to GH5 400Mb/s in 8bit? In theory, it should be cleaner, with no artifacting (like Sony mirrorless), but I suspect it doesn’t compete with GH5/GH5s. Maybe the 8bit still has artifacts or maybe the EOS R with recorder 10bit ProRes competes? I’m guessing 2019’s Canon 5R will replace the 5D iv with every feature missing from the EOS R & 2020’s Canon 1RX will replace the 1DX. I’m still. it sure would ever release a video-centric mirrorless, like the Panasonic S1 or the a7siii. Canon previously released their 8k sensor; I just think everyone else will release their 6k & 8k mirrorless & mini cinema cameras first. The EOS R is a mirrorless 6Diii, & a great upgrade from 6Dii and 5Diii; although I’m still on the fence. Fuji XT3 has stolen my heart though (for video); FF 30Mp vs APS-C 26Mp (for photography) :/ (Can I wait 3months for Panasonic to release their full specs? (Why I don’t sleep). Solution: Make more money, buy everything.
Finally someone talks about features of the camera beyond the specs sheet. Your content comes from someone who have really used the camera to a length. Great video!
Two things: if you use an EF-S lens, it brings the resolution down to 10mp - which I think you gloss over too quickly. Second thing, which is more a question... using the d-pad for focus point is well and good, but my M5 can be set to use the screen as an AF trackpad while looking through the EVF (which I find way more useful than trying to use the d-pad). Is this functionality absent from the EOS-R? Thanks for a unique and positive perspective, and not the constant whining that other reviewers have done.
There is also touch pad focusing on the EOS R while using the EVF. I mentioned this as an alternative to that, because some people don't like it. E.g. Left-handed people.
Question.. on the EOS R, is there a way to set the EVF so that it acts like a regular viewfinder? Here is what I mean.. Let's say I want to underexpose the background a ton, and I am using a bunch of off camera flashes etc.. I need to be able to see, and focus on my model.. on the Sony camera's there is a setting to turn off live preview in the EVF. I just got my EOS R, and I can't seem to find a way to do this?
I know exactly what you mean. I don't have the EOS R with me anymore, but I believe it was called "Expo. Simulation" Try around page 3 of the first, red-coloured shoot menu. Hopefully that helps!
Thank you! We really need more of these types of video. Too many ‘reviews’ these days are done with initial FW and about 3 days use of a camera, and are never updated over time with experience of small things which can make a huge difference in practical use.
Just wanna say a big well done! Actually giving tips and insights that others are failing to give! Everyone just seems to be bashing the video “issues”, I’m buying a camera not a video camera, so thank you! You’ve earned a subscriber
Amusing :) As an existing Canon DSLR owner, the adapter is an obvious big plus, if I bought into this range I don't have to throw away or trade my existing lens collection. The other thing I too really like is the manual focus arrows because "back in the day" of wetfilm, we got things like split rings as focus aids but nobody has come up with an equivalent in digital technology until now.
I don't think any system is worth changing into if you are already an established photographer with gear. It basically goes down to button placement, grip, and weight. Honestly I don't know why people nit pick about these things. As far as actual sensor performance goes. The Sony BSI sensors in the Sony and Nikon cameras are clearly superior but honestly not by much. I wouldn't lose sleep over it at all. Yes Canon doesn't have IBIS and that does kinda suck but once again I wouldn't sell glass over it. You can just use stabilized glass. However for new users or people who want to swap. The new Canon mirrorless offering is definitely the weakest of the bunch. The Sony A7III is still going to eat it for breakfast.
@@amphotography1746 do they ? Jolly good I think that it should be standard. I like having a "small system" camera kit alongside my DSLRs for those times when you don't want to haul heavy kit, over 18 months I used first a Lumix G7 and then upgraded to a G80/85, I also have some vintage glass from the wet film era which I use with adapters, obviosly. The only aid you get is focus peaking and I was surprised to find that this was far better on the Canon M series than the Panasonics so I traded that kit in and bought an M6 instead.
@@SourDonut99 Dear Ian, I think the point you make about new users and the Sony A7III still being the one to beat is absolutely right because for now it really is. Canon clearly hasn't got the processors currently to match and I think it will take them about 3 iterations to get to equal bearing in mind that Sony won't be standing still in the meantime. However and despite all the fuss, does it really matter ? Talking in UK £s, I really don't see £2,000 + for a body a "starter" camera, half that or less is most likely closer the mark. As to why "less than half price" it is simply that currently the most expensive phones which the majority of people use for photography are around £1,000 and the average punter will see them as more "useful" and flexible than a camera that only does one thing and isn't available with a calling plan thrown in for a set monthly amount. :)
Thanks for the vid. There's some hate towards the EOS R, but those same haters don't talk about the positives of this camera. You have showed the positives better than anyone else on TH-cam. The EOS R is clearly a full frame camera that grows on people, especially rookie photographers like me.
One of the best overviews that really answers a lot of questions I had as I'm seriously considering jumping to the EOS R. Love the fact that you're not YELLING AT MEEE like other reviewers, nice and calm delivery of information. Nice presentation as well. You got yourself a new sub!
Thanks for the heads up on EF/EF-S compatibility with the adapter. I remember cutting the back off my 10-18mm when I realized I couldn't put it on my 5D3. It works extremely well with Magic Lantern where you're crop is sort of user-customizable.
Unfortunately not. I think they still reserved some functionality for their future models - or - the processor just can't handle all that simultaneously.
If you use an adapter to mount an APS-C crop lens like the EF-S 10-22, the camera will automatically turn into a 11.6 megapixel (4176x2784) crop camera. Small detail before you rush buying apc lenses to get that "better image quality" :)
I’ve had the 5D mark 4 and it’s super heavy and it’s 4K is so huge that you need special cards to be able to record well. It also didn’t have a flip screen, which makes it nearly impossible to film well when on a gimbal. I sold it and got me the EOS R. The best camera from Canon after the R5 and R6. It has so many new technology features that you won’t find in DSLRs. Also, I love the feature in the R when you can switch from video to photo while keeping the different settings. I hated to change all the settings again on the 5D when switching to video and vice versa.
I'd agree with Randy's sentiments. It seemed well thought out and it's great to hear about some of the lesser known features of the camera. Keep up the good work. My only suggestion, if I can make one, is that I'd alter your intro's and drop the "he's crazy" wording. You're obviously a smart, switched on guy, who comes across well, so the whole "He's crazy" vibe is less whacky or edgy than it is a touch lazy. The video, the music, both fine, I'd just suggest putting a little more thought into some wording. Only my 2c though...
it's 3,000 higher now already. Nice. I've only just seen this channel. Subscribed but not sure how many I'll watch if they're all talking head stuff. Hopefully there's more content of this quality though.
Love that focus guide! It's way more practical than peaking on a small display. I wonder how they're achieving that guide in terms of precision and how "linear" the reference is to the movement of the focus ring on different lenses, because it would be so much easier to develop muscle memory once you get used to the lenses.
If you use the EVF, you don’t have to use the dpad to change the focus points, that’s just an option, but you could actually place your thumb on the screen while you’re looking through the EVF to change the focus points. No need for a joystick at all. Also the weird touchpad thing at the top could be programmed to do anything such as change ISO.
You didn't mention Touch and Drag AF on the EOS R. When your face is against the viewfinder you can designate any corner or side of the screen you wish to remain sensitive for moving your auto focus point. This can be done in absolute, which I don't like because you can't easily go to the other side of the frame. Or, it can function more like a traditional joystick and is very responsive. On the M5 and M50 I found this to be very easy to get comfortable with in lieu of a proper joystick.
On my 5D bodies, I move the focus points left and right by activating the focus selection grid button, then rotating the wheel dial near the shutter. I found this A LOT faster than using a joystick to move the focus points left and right. Is this possible with the EOS R?
I'm subbing. These are the types of info that I want. TBH, the big stuff are pointed out easily, but these small things, these are the things that make you want to work with a system. Of course, the key features/specs are the ones you're gonna look at first, but almost everyone is competing with that, everything that follows are these small features.
Excellent Video. Manual Focus guide is excellent. Now people like me with old eyes can accurately manually focus without having to rely on magical pixie dust. Deeper customization of the display screens so I can control what information I want to see, and low price adapters that will work for all existing EF lenses. This is what a review is suppose to be. Instead of just saying what something can not do, mention positives and maybe other camera companies will say, "Hey, people like that feature in Canon, (or any other brand), maybe we should do it". Keep up your great work.
Great and refreshing coverage on the topic! And found some new useful settings as well! Focus point can be moved also with the top dials, after pushing the AF mode button. Dials are a lot faster than the four directional buttons.
The manual focus aid, does it only work with electronically connected lenses, or does it also work if you use dumb adapters? And are you able to use it both in the evf and the back screen?
I've been looking everywhere and can't find a single answer - When using the R with the EF lens adapter, does the autofocus for VIDEO work, and work well???????
Thanks for the video! This is the camera I’ve been waiting for to jump over into full frame with. A camera I can use my whole lens collection with! I don’t shoot video so the video short comings don’t matter to me, but it has some terrific features for stills. Automatically cropping when an EF-S lens is attached, a shutter closing to protect the sensor when changing lenses, the feel of an actual DSLR with the benefits mirrorless, and of course the manual focus helps you mentioned which will be great for macro photography.
Great video, I’ve used this camera briefly at a friends house. From what I remember you can select the focus point using your finger on the screen whilst looking through the EVF. Handy to know you can select the focus point using the D-Pad
D pad to move your focus point? You can use the touch screen by setting the bottom right to control your focus point. You just move your thumb around while looking through the view finder.
Hi, can you tell me what is the actual difference in sharpness and details between RF 24-105 and EF 70-200 lenses at f11? I have 70-200 lens and just want to save money if there is not much difference.
but apparent the dual pixel AF assist will not work with non contact lenses AKA vintage lenses , so really is it practical if it does not work with manual focus only lenses? i hope they have the same customisation as fujifilm manual options
You can also use the touch screen as a sort of joystick while looking through the VF by dragging your finger on the corner of the screen and choosing your focus.
That focus guide you highlighted is excellent for on gimbal usage set your distance and walk into it - much better than peaking more intuitive. I just wish they'd do a firmware update and put 120fps in full HD. I'm a Nikon shooter but if they did that Id buy the R.
@grzegorz granek yeah it does, I went to a presentation on the camera in Seattle and they talked about how it uses the dual pixel sensor to do it so it should work with any lens ever :)
I don't think I'm getting this camera regardless, but I do think you have created an amazing video and made an excellent point about the positive reinforcement to the companies
Hey Gerald, thanks for looking at important workflow issues instead of getting lost in details tech specs. Important question - does that focus guide work when using real manual focus lenses? I.e. a Leica R or an old Nikkor or Olympus OM. How would you mount them as there are no dumb adapters yet for Canon EOS R? You'd use that same simple adapter you showed with for instance a Leica R to EOS adapter. If Canon's focus guide works well with manual lenses without an electronic connection that would be a game changer for me. The best tool right now for manual lenses are Fuji's X-H1 and X-T3 with single press magnification in and out on the back wheel (Sony's magnification tool requires a minimum of four presses to get in and out). But neither of Fuji's cameras are full frame and my main autofocus lens set is Canon.
Hey! I agree with the X-T3 being an awesome manual focuser. I also love how it has the option to switch to linear vs non-linear. Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to test full manual lenses, as the only ones I have are for Nikon, but if I find that out, I'll get back to you. There's been a few people asking that as well.
Gerald, you can use your full manual Nikon lenses with a simple Nikon F to EOS adapter (and then drop that on the EOS R EF adapter). The adapter costs between $5 and $100 depending on where you buy it and how long you are prepared to wait (the least expensive is eBay with free shipping from China). Not all Chinese adapters are good, not all expensive adapters are good. Photos of the quality of adapters is usually a good indicator. K&F is the best inexpensive brand. I've had about an 80%+ hit rate (no wobble, good mounting/dismounting) with K&F adapters. PS. You might want to check out this systematic but not synthetic test of EOS R autofocus vs 6D II with about five or six lenses. Very interesting stuff (I'm picking a second body to shoot sports alongside my 5D III): th-cam.com/video/sCX5wehkxxI/w-d-xo.html
4:00 Meanwhile, Nikon users have always been able to use their crop lenses on their full frame bodies... But the triangle focus system you describe right after looks amazing! Reminds me of the old split prism from my K-1000, upgraded for the digital age.
Does Canon have a "linear vs non-linear" manual focus by wire, similar to the new Fujis and the Panasonic S1? I hate trying to manual focus an AF lens and have the response be non-linear... i.e. I hate it when moving the focus ring the same difference adjusts the focus by different amounts depending on how fast the ring is moved. I need to be able to turn that off to buy into a system.
that far-near manual focus aid is really good. By seeing how jerky it is probably not very precise but in combination with peaking that enables when you're nearly focused that could be a beast
I like this method of reviewing (what gets praised gets repeated), because if Canon scraps every good idea just because the market response rejects the whole package then they'll go back to being non-innovative, and I think they're at their best when they try and fail and stumble on something cool, like putting the ND filter BEHIND the lens so you don't have to buy one for each lens. It seems like if they offered what youtubers are asking for: Flippy screen, small body, 4k with no crop, mic input, two card slots, dual pixel autofocus, EF lens compatibility, and body for $1,000...that TH-camrs would buy the crap out of that.
Adding EF-S lenes are such a good value for this camera especially if you buy used . Totally agree with the focus box. The camera is infinitely customizable. I really enjoy shooting with it. I use the bar to zoom in for focus either manual or auto and the right side to set ISO to auto and I use the light display button to turn on WiFi.
Finally a review not only bashing the eosr but also talking about good points. And honestly, it's the first one that even mentions stills. All the rest i saw yet were only about video. Which I do not care about whatsoever. I'm only interested in the photography capability so I'm not bothered with some crop on 4k video
I liked. I subscribed! Refreshing approach. I’ll be checking out previous videos and glad your channel was a suggested view on the TH-cam sidebar banner !
The manual focus assist feature on the EOS R is nice in how comprehensive it is as a focus aid. I'm jealous! The adapter mounting both EF and EF-S lenses is convenient for the EOS R video. For other companies, specifically Nikon with FX/DX and Sony with FE/E lenses, the full frame cameras have always been able to mount the APS-C lenses. Canon had the restriction, I believe because the EF-S lens would get too close to the full frame mirror, so obviously the mirrorless camera can drop the restriction.
Thanks for your thoughts on the EOS R. To set the focus point, there is a third possibility, next to the Touchscreen and the D-Pad, you can use the two command dials. Again, first press the focussing system button, then you can use the two dials on the top of the camera. One moves the focus point horizontally, the other one vertically. After getting used to it, this works quite fast, even with gloves…
I would prefer focus peaking more than that focus feature from Canon, with focus peaking you see the entire image in focus and you don't have to worry about getting the focus in a small box because sometimes the focus points will move and it won't be fun moving around that box to find the focus. I like Panasonic cameras more because they are more for photo and video, something Canon aren't really doing as well.
Gerald! Just found your videos last week, they’re awesome, a breath of fresh air. Love your level-headed and alternative angle on this one. Useful info beautifully demoed. Stay classy 👍
It sure does! I feel like I confused some people with my comment there. I just wanted to provide an alternative because I know some people don't like using the touch pad while using EVF. Left-handed people especially find it difficult because their nose is in the way. But I think it works pretty well.
Tnx! Like your channel. I would appreciate more eos R video related stuff, how does video quality compare to 5dmk4, is it better than 80d? Still canon pixel binning? Really no 60p in crop mode? test it with 10-18 for bloggers that need 4k (if any :). Electronic IS test with sigma 18-35, how to grade log and preview it in rec 709 while recording, etc.. There are not that many real world reviews...
very nice review and that focus guide function is great. but does focus guide function working only on center focus point or its possible to choose other area? focus peaking possible to choose too or only focus guide function?
Good Video, I really wasnt aware of that, cause nobody was speaking of it. Nice one and I like the Video cause is not too long. Cheers, continue like this
Sony user speaking here. Good job on the video sir! You got me to watch to the end. I thought you brought up some very good things that are being missed that I didn’t know about. It’s just such a shame that the camera isn’t where it should be in terms of usability, practicality, and positives. But I do like the point on the lenses being manual vs fly by wire.
Yeah, it's tough. I definitely prefer my a7 III, but Canon is on the right path in a few ways. Hopefully they keep pushing and provide some better competition for Sony in the future.
@@sulev111 mines simply has a little dot on the lower left corner of my of that isn't always accurate but harder to notice. Many cameras have different styles that I'm aware of. Just thought this one on the EOS r just might be the easiest way to tell that is right on top of what you're focusing on, rather than some obscure indicator off to the side somewhere. Fuji has also come out with a cool retro focus prism. A lot of interesting options.
just tested this camera today. Pure joy to use, so easy and a breeze to set up and take pictures. Very responsive and an excellent EVF. However, I just felt that it's tad bit slow in shutter response, compared to what we are used to now in camera of this price range. Knowing what Canon is capable of, I just felt that this is just a testing model for something more finished and "pro" waiting in line. All said and done, this is still an EXTREMELY CAPABLE camera and the new lens is DIVINE. Thats the only word to describe it. The resolution it renders, and the colors are so so so good plain out of the box. Feel like a cut from Arri Alexa.
Thanks for another excellent video. Like your other videos I found that this one covers things that aren't typically covered by other reviewers. The manual focus aid seems particularly interesting. I don't think there are adapters available yet for old-timey manual lenses, so I'm not sure if that feature will work with those lenses, but if it does that could make this a really nice platform for those lenses.
You can use the touchscreen in liveview, but you can also use it as a sort of touchpad when you're using the EVF. That's a lot faster and easier than using the D-pad.
FPS is lower on the EOS R and focus tracking might be better on the 5D4 in some cases. Otherwise I don't see a downside for photos (if the missing "joystick" is not a dealbreaker for you).
Hi Gerald, I’m late to this video but found it useful and refreshing with the positive reinforcement. For stills, this cam and lens options with adapter as you mention is great. For vid, with 1.4 af improvements and price drop, and more new rf lenses, would you recommend this body over GH5, A73, S1H? I mentioned the above 3 bodies as those are ones I have at the moment and ones you have covered. I like the Canon rf for its colors, af, lens options and now lowered prices. I just don’t have much info on how it really performs in video with af (when needed). Since you’ve done a review on all four bodies, would love to get your recommendation and feedback on video performance in real world use. Thank you🙏!
Loved the video! Im mostly a street/ portrait photographer and I have an 80D with the sigma 18-35 1.8 and was looking to buy a full frame canon body. Should I buy the Eos R or the 5d mark 4 during Black Friday? Whatever one I get, I'll be sticking with it for years. I don't shoot video pretty much at all, but I want to eventually get into it.
Man, love your style and perspective. This was like a fresh breath of air for me amidst all the... *ahem* ...polarised opinions one finds in youtube comment sections. I fully agree with your idea of letting companies know when they've done something good. Let's also use the same logic and give you a thumbs up and a new subscriber for this content. Cheers from Finland!
I dont know if you've tried using the touch screen to pick focus during EVF use, but I personally really enjoy it. I find it faster than a joystick now that I'm getting used to it. Thanks for sharing the tips and your thoughts!
Great video can u please answer this no one has shown if u can teather with this camera . There are alot of people that shoot in studio but no one shows any thing about it . Can u show let us know if this camera good for studio use all we hear about is blogging. Thank you for showing about stills and macro .
Good video, as usual. My primary use for any digital camera is stlls. I've seen very few videos on doing just stills with this camera. I understand that the majority is more interested in video. Does the histogram stay lit up as long as you want for doing stills? I have seen enuf videos that make me not want to go to a camera store to look at it. Hopefully canon will get the bugs out.
Canon paid me $325,000 to make this video. #PositiveReinforcement
They paid more than that for viewing and rating it positive ;)
Should give you a percentage of what theyve made out of that camera after this video was made.
I knew it
Now if you said $320,000 I woulda believed you. $325,000 just sound too much!
Conspiracy conspiracy Mr Undone!… I reckon Canon only paid you, for you to SAY they paid you… when in fact they know they didn't pay you, even though in reality they did… Errrrr
It's refreshing to see someone focussing on the positive sides of a product. It is way easier for all of us to just bash on the things we dislike and there are more than enough of those videos out there. Keep it up!
I haven't found anybody who talks as fast and makes as much sense - you're message is always clear as a bell, that's a real talent. Thanks for jumping out in traffic and spreading this fair side of the R. Seems so many reviewers just want the camera their own way, and fail to mention the "other" people out there who are going to find this a very nice camera. The most important thing about this camera is that it is finally going down the road of mirrorless and the huge potential Canon's opening itself up to (along w/ the others) - and they did a very fine job of making a still camera for photography. And you just stated that and I thank you....
Thanks, Todd! I appreciate your kind words and I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers! 😃👍
Someone talking about real things with this camera! YAS
I really like this review. So many others are 1) just noise & 2) compare every new camera to the best hypothetical camera, taking the best traits of everything out there, and criticize every new camera for not having everything the best camera has. If it did, it would be called, “camera,” and there would only be one company making “camera.”
Competition & innovation are the best for consumers.
I mean, they act like no human being has ever been able to take photos with a camera before the latest camera came out.
Thanks for pointing out these features!
Thanks for this. We definitely agree on the importance of competition. Always fun reading your comments. Cheers! 😃👍
Gerald Undone I’m curious about the data rate of the EOS R, 480Mb/s seems like great quality on paper. Have you compared it to GH5 400Mb/s in 8bit?
In theory, it should be cleaner, with no artifacting (like Sony mirrorless), but I suspect it doesn’t compete with GH5/GH5s. Maybe the 8bit still has artifacts or maybe the EOS R with recorder 10bit ProRes competes?
I’m guessing 2019’s Canon 5R will replace the 5D iv with every feature missing from the EOS R & 2020’s Canon 1RX will replace the 1DX. I’m still. it sure would ever release a video-centric mirrorless, like the Panasonic S1 or the a7siii.
Canon previously released their 8k sensor; I just think everyone else will release their 6k & 8k mirrorless & mini cinema cameras first.
The EOS R is a mirrorless 6Diii, & a great upgrade from 6Dii and 5Diii; although I’m still on the fence. Fuji XT3 has stolen my heart though (for video); FF 30Mp vs APS-C 26Mp (for photography) :/
(Can I wait 3months for Panasonic to release their full specs? (Why I don’t sleep).
Solution: Make more money, buy everything.
How are you viewing with no cables l?
Finally someone talks about features of the camera beyond the specs sheet. Your content comes from someone who have really used the camera to a length.
Great video!
Two things: if you use an EF-S lens, it brings the resolution down to 10mp - which I think you gloss over too quickly. Second thing, which is more a question... using the d-pad for focus point is well and good, but my M5 can be set to use the screen as an AF trackpad while looking through the EVF (which I find way more useful than trying to use the d-pad). Is this functionality absent from the EOS-R? Thanks for a unique and positive perspective, and not the constant whining that other reviewers have done.
There is also touch pad focusing on the EOS R while using the EVF. I mentioned this as an alternative to that, because some people don't like it. E.g. Left-handed people.
Question.. on the EOS R, is there a way to set the EVF so that it acts like a regular viewfinder? Here is what I mean.. Let's say I want to underexpose the background a ton, and I am using a bunch of off camera flashes etc.. I need to be able to see, and focus on my model.. on the Sony camera's there is a setting to turn off live preview in the EVF. I just got my EOS R, and I can't seem to find a way to do this?
I know exactly what you mean. I don't have the EOS R with me anymore, but I believe it was called "Expo. Simulation" Try around page 3 of the first, red-coloured shoot menu. Hopefully that helps!
DUDE! Right on! This was it! Man, thanks! I was trying everything LOL.. that was totally it! NICE!
0:38 - curious what ways is it a step down from the 5D Mk4? Image quality? Usability? Ergonomics?
Thank you! We really need more of these types of video. Too many ‘reviews’ these days are done with initial FW and about 3 days use of a camera, and are never updated over time with experience of small things which can make a huge difference in practical use.
Just wanna say a big well done! Actually giving tips and insights that others are failing to give! Everyone just seems to be bashing the video “issues”, I’m buying a camera not a video camera, so thank you! You’ve earned a subscriber
Thanks a lot. I'm glad. And thanks for subscribing. 👍😃
What makes you say it's a step down from the 5D4? I believe it's the same sensor but with better autofocus and a newer processor.
Amusing :) As an existing Canon DSLR owner, the adapter is an obvious big plus, if I bought into this range I don't have to throw away or trade my existing lens collection. The other thing I too really like is the manual focus arrows because "back in the day" of wetfilm, we got things like split rings as focus aids but nobody has come up with an equivalent in digital technology until now.
I don't think any system is worth changing into if you are already an established photographer with gear. It basically goes down to button placement, grip, and weight. Honestly I don't know why people nit pick about these things.
As far as actual sensor performance goes. The Sony BSI sensors in the Sony and Nikon cameras are clearly superior but honestly not by much. I wouldn't lose sleep over it at all.
Yes Canon doesn't have IBIS and that does kinda suck but once again I wouldn't sell glass over it. You can just use stabilized glass.
However for new users or people who want to swap. The new Canon mirrorless offering is definitely the weakest of the bunch. The Sony A7III is still going to eat it for breakfast.
I think Fuji has some kind of split ring equivalent as mf aid
@@amphotography1746 do they ? Jolly good I think that it should be standard. I like having a "small system" camera kit alongside my DSLRs for those times when you don't want to haul heavy kit, over 18 months I used first a Lumix G7 and then upgraded to a G80/85, I also have some vintage glass from the wet film era which I use with adapters, obviosly. The only aid you get is focus peaking and I was surprised to find that this was far better on the Canon M series than the Panasonics so I traded that kit in and bought an M6 instead.
@@SourDonut99 Dear Ian, I think the point you make about new users and the Sony A7III still being the one to beat is absolutely right because for now it really is. Canon clearly hasn't got the processors currently to match and I think it will take them about 3 iterations to get to equal bearing in mind that Sony won't be standing still in the meantime. However and despite all the fuss, does it really matter ?
Talking in UK £s, I really don't see £2,000 + for a body a "starter" camera, half that or less is most likely closer the mark. As to why "less than half price" it is simply that currently the most expensive phones which the majority of people use for photography are around £1,000 and the average punter will see them as more "useful" and flexible than a camera that only does one thing and isn't available with a calling plan thrown in for a set monthly amount. :)
By far the most informative and factual video on this camera I've seen so far. Great job!
Thanks for the vid. There's some hate towards the EOS R, but those same haters don't talk about the positives of this camera. You have showed the positives better than anyone else on TH-cam. The EOS R is clearly a full frame camera that grows on people, especially rookie photographers like me.
Wow, thank you indeed for this. You are the first TH-camr to highlight that manual focus box gizmo! I appreciate your efforts very much! Thanks!
One of the best overviews that really answers a lot of questions I had as I'm seriously considering jumping to the EOS R. Love the fact that you're not YELLING AT MEEE like other reviewers, nice and calm delivery of information. Nice presentation as well. You got yourself a new sub!
Thanks for the heads up on EF/EF-S compatibility with the adapter. I remember cutting the back off my 10-18mm when I realized I couldn't put it on my 5D3. It works extremely well with Magic Lantern where you're crop is sort of user-customizable.
I have a 6D MK II, and I’ve been wondering if the EOS R was better or worse for video. Your thoughts?
Does volume meter stay on during recording?
Unfortunately not. I think they still reserved some functionality for their future models - or - the processor just can't handle all that simultaneously.
If you use an adapter to mount an APS-C crop lens like the EF-S 10-22, the camera will automatically turn into a 11.6 megapixel (4176x2784) crop camera. Small detail before you rush buying apc lenses to get that "better image quality" :)
I’ve had the 5D mark 4 and it’s super heavy and it’s 4K is so huge that you need special cards to be able to record well. It also didn’t have a flip screen, which makes it nearly impossible to film well when on a gimbal. I sold it and got me the EOS R. The best camera from Canon after the R5 and R6. It has so many new technology features that you won’t find in DSLRs. Also, I love the feature in the R when you can switch from video to photo while keeping the different settings. I hated to change all the settings again on the 5D when switching to video and vice versa.
Your reviews are so deep and insightful. How do you only have 12 thousand subscribers? Gotta be higher!
Thanks, Randy! Really appreciate the encouragement. 😃👍
I'd agree with Randy's sentiments. It seemed well thought out and it's great to hear about some of the lesser known features of the camera. Keep up the good work. My only suggestion, if I can make one, is that I'd alter your intro's and drop the "he's crazy" wording. You're obviously a smart, switched on guy, who comes across well, so the whole "He's crazy" vibe is less whacky or edgy than it is a touch lazy. The video, the music, both fine, I'd just suggest putting a little more thought into some wording. Only my 2c though...
it's 3,000 higher now already. Nice.
I've only just seen this channel. Subscribed but not sure how many I'll watch if they're all talking head stuff. Hopefully there's more content of this quality though.
+1 sub from me. Great explanations!
And 9 months later he have over 70000.
Love that focus guide! It's way more practical than peaking on a small display. I wonder how they're achieving that guide in terms of precision and how "linear" the reference is to the movement of the focus ring on different lenses, because it would be so much easier to develop muscle memory once you get used to the lenses.
Does the focus guide work also for (adapted) MF lenses without electrical contacts?
If you use the EVF, you don’t have to use the dpad to change the focus points, that’s just an option, but you could actually place your thumb on the screen while you’re looking through the EVF to change the focus points. No need for a joystick at all. Also the weird touchpad thing at the top could be programmed to do anything such as change ISO.
You didn't mention Touch and Drag AF on the EOS R. When your face is against the viewfinder you can designate any corner or side of the screen you wish to remain sensitive for moving your auto focus point. This can be done in absolute, which I don't like because you can't easily go to the other side of the frame. Or, it can function more like a traditional joystick and is very responsive. On the M5 and M50 I found this to be very easy to get comfortable with in lieu of a proper joystick.
On my 5D bodies, I move the focus points left and right by activating the focus selection grid button, then rotating the wheel dial near the shutter. I found this A LOT faster than using a joystick to move the focus points left and right. Is this possible with the EOS R?
I'm subbing. These are the types of info that I want. TBH, the big stuff are pointed out easily, but these small things, these are the things that make you want to work with a system. Of course, the key features/specs are the ones you're gonna look at first, but almost everyone is competing with that, everything that follows are these small features.
Isn't the focus guide only as accurate as the autofocus? Or is it actually accurate?
This feature is on the canon C200 also. Would be a welcome feature on mirrorless cameras.
Does the focus guide work with vintage lenses as well?
Is the green triangle thing available on the M50? I hope Canon brings that feature to future aps-c mirrorless.
Excellent Video. Manual Focus guide is excellent. Now people like me with old eyes can accurately manually focus without having to rely on magical pixie dust. Deeper customization of the display screens so I can control what information I want to see, and low price adapters that will work for all existing EF lenses. This is what a review is suppose to be. Instead of just saying what something can not do, mention positives and maybe other camera companies will say, "Hey, people like that feature in Canon, (or any other brand), maybe we should do it". Keep up your great work.
Great and refreshing coverage on the topic! And found some new useful settings as well!
Focus point can be moved also with the top dials, after pushing the AF mode button. Dials are a lot faster than the four directional buttons.
The manual focus aid, does it only work with electronically connected lenses, or does it also work if you use dumb adapters? And are you able to use it both in the evf and the back screen?
I've been looking everywhere and can't find a single answer - When using the R with the EF lens adapter, does the autofocus for VIDEO work, and work well???????
Gerald, ever tried to move the focus point with your finger on the screen during looking trough the EVF?
Thanks for the video! This is the camera I’ve been waiting for to jump over into full frame with. A camera I can use my whole lens collection with! I don’t shoot video so the video short comings don’t matter to me, but it has some terrific features for stills. Automatically cropping when an EF-S lens is attached, a shutter closing to protect the sensor when changing lenses, the feel of an actual DSLR with the benefits mirrorless, and of course the manual focus helps you mentioned which will be great for macro photography.
Great video, I’ve used this camera briefly at a friends house. From what I remember you can select the focus point using your finger on the screen whilst looking through the EVF. Handy to know you can select the focus point using the D-Pad
Great job dude. You are so articulated, concise and straight to the point. Well done.
D pad to move your focus point? You can use the touch screen by setting the bottom right to control your focus point. You just move your thumb around while looking through the view finder.
I think you've managed to strike the perfect balance of education, entertainment, efficiency, and practicality. Nicely done!
Thanks so much! That's great to hear. Cheers!
Hi, can you tell me what is the actual difference in sharpness and details between RF 24-105 and EF 70-200 lenses at f11? I have 70-200 lens and just want to save money if there is not much difference.
but apparent the dual pixel AF assist will not work with non contact lenses AKA vintage lenses , so really is it practical if it does not work with manual focus only lenses? i hope they have the same customisation as fujifilm manual options
You can also use the touch screen as a sort of joystick while looking through the VF by dragging your finger on the corner of the screen and choosing your focus.
That focus guide you highlighted is excellent for on gimbal usage set your distance and walk into it - much better than peaking more intuitive. I just wish they'd do a firmware update and put 120fps in full HD. I'm a Nikon shooter but if they did that Id buy the R.
One of the best videos on this subject. Thanks, I’m very excited about the EOS R now!
Thank you very much! Cheers!
Do you think it's better than the Panasonic G9? Other than just sensor size?
Does the Focus guide work during recording as well?
Good question! Yes, it definitely does.
I just went to double check and can confirm.
Does it work with typical manual focusing lenses like voigtlander, zeiss or even old M42, canon FD?
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yeah it does, I went to a presentation on the camera in Seattle and they talked about how it uses the dual pixel sensor to do it so it should work with any lens ever :)
I don't think I'm getting this camera regardless, but I do think you have created an amazing video and made an excellent point about the positive reinforcement to the companies
Does that (focus guide) work withmanual FD lenses?
Love your no-nonsense format! Leading with the bullet points then a really fair and straightforward review was awesome. Subscribed!
Thanks, Xander! Always happy to have a new subscriber. 😃👍
Would Nikon prime lenses be able to be used with the adaptor? Thanks! Great video!
Did they ever fix the histogram turning off during recording issue? It's Canon so I'm going to assume no, but it would be a pleasant surprise.
I'm pretty sure that you can program the right half of the screen to kind of become a joystick for your focus points
Dude. I am now smarter because of you. Incredibly informative and worthy of a comment. Keep doing what you do man. Great job
Hey Gerald, thanks for looking at important workflow issues instead of getting lost in details tech specs. Important question - does that focus guide work when using real manual focus lenses? I.e. a Leica R or an old Nikkor or Olympus OM. How would you mount them as there are no dumb adapters yet for Canon EOS R? You'd use that same simple adapter you showed with for instance a Leica R to EOS adapter. If Canon's focus guide works well with manual lenses without an electronic connection that would be a game changer for me.
The best tool right now for manual lenses are Fuji's X-H1 and X-T3 with single press magnification in and out on the back wheel (Sony's magnification tool requires a minimum of four presses to get in and out). But neither of Fuji's cameras are full frame and my main autofocus lens set is Canon.
Hey! I agree with the X-T3 being an awesome manual focuser. I also love how it has the option to switch to linear vs non-linear.
Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to test full manual lenses, as the only ones I have are for Nikon, but if I find that out, I'll get back to you. There's been a few people asking that as well.
Gerald, you can use your full manual Nikon lenses with a simple Nikon F to EOS adapter (and then drop that on the EOS R EF adapter). The adapter costs between $5 and $100 depending on where you buy it and how long you are prepared to wait (the least expensive is eBay with free shipping from China). Not all Chinese adapters are good, not all expensive adapters are good. Photos of the quality of adapters is usually a good indicator. K&F is the best inexpensive brand. I've had about an 80%+ hit rate (no wobble, good mounting/dismounting) with K&F adapters.
PS. You might want to check out this systematic but not synthetic test of EOS R autofocus vs 6D II with about five or six lenses. Very interesting stuff (I'm picking a second body to shoot sports alongside my 5D III): th-cam.com/video/sCX5wehkxxI/w-d-xo.html
Nice presentation. Very nicely done. You stay on track with your topic and move on feature by feature. That's all I need to see. Thank you.
4:00 Meanwhile, Nikon users have always been able to use their crop lenses on their full frame bodies...
But the triangle focus system you describe right after looks amazing! Reminds me of the old split prism from my K-1000, upgraded for the digital age.
Does Canon have a "linear vs non-linear" manual focus by wire, similar to the new Fujis and the Panasonic S1? I hate trying to manual focus an AF lens and have the response be non-linear... i.e. I hate it when moving the focus ring the same difference adjusts the focus by different amounts depending on how fast the ring is moved. I need to be able to turn that off to buy into a system.
that far-near manual focus aid is really good. By seeing how jerky it is probably not very precise but in combination with peaking that enables when you're nearly focused that could be a beast
I’m going from a 6D will I be able to use the same lens or will I have to purchase an adapter?
I like this method of reviewing (what gets praised gets repeated), because if Canon scraps every good idea just because the market response rejects the whole package then they'll go back to being non-innovative, and I think they're at their best when they try and fail and stumble on something cool, like putting the ND filter BEHIND the lens so you don't have to buy one for each lens. It seems like if they offered what youtubers are asking for: Flippy screen, small body, 4k with no crop, mic input, two card slots, dual pixel autofocus, EF lens compatibility, and body for $1,000...that TH-camrs would buy the crap out of that.
Adding EF-S lenes are such a good value for this camera especially if you buy used . Totally agree with the focus box. The camera is infinitely customizable. I really enjoy shooting with it. I use the bar to zoom in for focus either manual or auto and the right side to set ISO to auto and I use the light display button to turn on WiFi.
Finally a review not only bashing the eosr but also talking about good points. And honestly, it's the first one that even mentions stills.
All the rest i saw yet were only about video. Which I do not care about whatsoever. I'm only interested in the photography capability so I'm not bothered with some crop on 4k video
I liked. I subscribed! Refreshing approach. I’ll be checking out previous videos and glad your channel was a suggested view on the TH-cam sidebar banner !
Awesome! Thanks for your kind words and sub. And thanks for letting me know how the video came up too. Cheers! 😃👍
Best review of the R yet! Thanks man! I'm changing a few settings before I get into today's shoot!
The manual focus assist feature on the EOS R is nice in how comprehensive it is as a focus aid. I'm jealous!
The adapter mounting both EF and EF-S lenses is convenient for the EOS R video. For other companies, specifically Nikon with FX/DX and Sony with FE/E lenses, the full frame cameras have always been able to mount the APS-C lenses. Canon had the restriction, I believe because the EF-S lens would get too close to the full frame mirror, so obviously the mirrorless camera can drop the restriction.
Thanks for your thoughts on the EOS R. To set the focus point, there is a third possibility, next to the Touchscreen and the D-Pad, you can use the two command dials. Again, first press the focussing system button, then you can use the two dials on the top of the camera. One moves the focus point horizontally, the other one vertically. After getting used to it, this works quite fast, even with gloves…
Great tips!
I just got my R yesterday for $1299 from B&H. 😁
Subbed!
First review i've seen that discusses the Focus Guide. Thanks Gerald.
I have been using the LCD "Touch and Drag" feature to change my focus point while looking through the VF. Works wonders!
You're way too fair and balanced. No way you'll be invited to Canon's next junket in Hawaii...
I would prefer focus peaking more than that focus feature from Canon, with focus peaking you see the entire image in focus and you don't have to worry about getting the focus in a small box because sometimes the focus points will move and it won't be fun moving around that box to find the focus. I like Panasonic cameras more because they are more for photo and video, something Canon aren't really doing as well.
Gerald! Just found your videos last week, they’re awesome, a breath of fresh air. Love your level-headed and alternative angle on this one. Useful info beautifully demoed. Stay classy 👍
The focus guide is the only feature I feel like I'm missing out on (for my personal use cases) by having the RP instead of the R
You can use the touch screen while using the eye-piece to change focus point. Correct me if im wrong.😊
How do you capture Camera menu of EOS-R or for that matter any camera?
Hi Gerald, nice video! But does'nt EOS R have the Touch and Drag AF? So no need for selecting AF points with dailpad.
It sure does! I feel like I confused some people with my comment there. I just wanted to provide an alternative because I know some people don't like using the touch pad while using EVF. Left-handed people especially find it difficult because their nose is in the way. But I think it works pretty well.
Tnx! Like your channel. I would appreciate more eos R video related stuff, how does video quality compare to 5dmk4, is it better than 80d? Still canon pixel binning? Really no 60p in crop mode? test it with 10-18 for bloggers that need 4k (if any :). Electronic IS test with sigma 18-35, how to grade log and preview it in rec 709 while recording, etc..
There are not that many real world reviews...
very nice review and that focus guide function is great.
but does focus guide function working only on center focus point or its possible to choose other area?
focus peaking possible to choose too or only focus guide function?
Good Video, I really wasnt aware of that, cause nobody was speaking of it. Nice one and I like the Video cause is not too long. Cheers, continue like this
The histogram going away during video recording I think also happens with the m50 and think it's pretty important it stays on during video.
Agreed. I'd like to think that's something that could be handled with firmware.
Sony user speaking here. Good job on the video sir! You got me to watch to the end. I thought you brought up some very good things that are being missed that I didn’t know about. It’s just such a shame that the camera isn’t where it should be in terms of usability, practicality, and positives. But I do like the point on the lenses being manual vs fly by wire.
Yeah, it's tough. I definitely prefer my a7 III, but Canon is on the right path in a few ways. Hopefully they keep pushing and provide some better competition for Sony in the future.
Seriously speaking. That little green box to indicate focus sounds like an awesome easy feature that other companies should look into.
google "manual focus confirmation"
@@sulev111 mines simply has a little dot on the lower left corner of my of that isn't always accurate but harder to notice. Many cameras have different styles that I'm aware of. Just thought this one on the EOS r just might be the easiest way to tell that is right on top of what you're focusing on, rather than some obscure indicator off to the side somewhere. Fuji has also come out with a cool retro focus prism. A lot of interesting options.
my Pentax uses whichever point the AF point is set to. Once in focus, it lights up just like with normal AF.
Good well presented video on a nice camera enjoyed this a lot please post more like this well done and thanks...
just tested this camera today. Pure joy to use, so easy and a breeze to set up and take pictures. Very responsive and an excellent EVF. However, I just felt that it's tad bit slow in shutter response, compared to what we are used to now in camera of this price range. Knowing what Canon is capable of, I just felt that this is just a testing model for something more finished and "pro" waiting in line. All said and done, this is still an EXTREMELY CAPABLE camera and the new lens is DIVINE. Thats the only word to describe it. The resolution it renders, and the colors are so so so good plain out of the box. Feel like a cut from Arri Alexa.
Really helpful review. A ton of information that hasn't been covered in other reviews. You seem very objective and unbiased. Thanks!
Thanks, Paula! Much appreciated. 😃👍
Does focus guide works on full manual lenses? (i.e. something like a Helios 44-2) 🤔
Thanks for another excellent video. Like your other videos I found that this one covers things that aren't typically covered by other reviewers. The manual focus aid seems particularly interesting. I don't think there are adapters available yet for old-timey manual lenses, so I'm not sure if that feature will work with those lenses, but if it does that could make this a really nice platform for those lenses.
Gerald do you keep 50/60fps in 1080p when you use a EFS lens.
You can use the touchscreen in liveview, but you can also use it as a sort of touchpad when you're using the EVF. That's a lot faster and easier than using the D-pad.
Why is this below the 5div? Whats the difference on photos?
FPS is lower on the EOS R and focus tracking might be better on the 5D4 in some cases. Otherwise I don't see a downside for photos (if the missing "joystick" is not a dealbreaker for you).
Hi Gerald,
I’m late to this video but found it useful and refreshing with the positive reinforcement.
For stills, this cam and lens options with adapter as you mention is great.
For vid, with 1.4 af improvements and price drop, and more new rf lenses, would you recommend this body over GH5, A73, S1H?
I mentioned the above 3 bodies as those are ones I have at the moment and ones you have covered.
I like the Canon rf for its colors, af, lens options and now lowered prices.
I just don’t have much info on how it really performs in video with af (when needed).
Since you’ve done a review on all four bodies, would love to get your recommendation and feedback on video performance in real world use.
Thank you🙏!
Loved the video! Im mostly a street/ portrait photographer and I have an 80D with the sigma 18-35 1.8 and was looking to buy a full frame canon body. Should I buy the Eos R or the 5d mark 4 during Black Friday? Whatever one I get, I'll be sticking with it for years. I don't shoot video pretty much at all, but I want to eventually get into it.
Man, love your style and perspective. This was like a fresh breath of air for me amidst all the... *ahem* ...polarised opinions one finds in youtube comment sections. I fully agree with your idea of letting companies know when they've done something good. Let's also use the same logic and give you a thumbs up and a new subscriber for this content. Cheers from Finland!
Thanks a lot! I really appreciate that and am always happy to have a new subscriber. Cheers! 😃👍
I dont know if you've tried using the touch screen to pick focus during EVF use, but I personally really enjoy it. I find it faster than a joystick now that I'm getting used to it. Thanks for sharing the tips and your thoughts!
Great video can u please answer this no one has shown if u can teather with this camera . There are alot of people that shoot in studio but no one shows any thing about it . Can u show let us know if this camera good for studio use all we hear about is blogging. Thank you for showing about stills and macro .
Good video, as usual. My primary use for any digital camera is stlls. I've seen very few videos on doing just stills with this camera. I understand that the majority is more interested in video.
Does the histogram stay lit up as long as you want for doing stills? I have seen enuf videos that make me not want to go to a camera store to look at it. Hopefully canon will get the bugs out.
Thank you! I don't have the camera with me anymore, but the next time I have my hands on it, I'll check that out for you. 👍