Kia eNiro - Is it outdated compared to VW Id.3
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Thank you for these videos, very helpful. We have 2020 Niro and planning a road trip across the state (about 1000 miles) and the speed limit is 80-85 mph. Your giving me real numbers that are useful.
Just got my 2020 Niro EV. I love the beautiful green countryside in your test drive! Much different from summertime here in California! You confirm my general first impressions of my own Niro. Thanks for your review!
I have had the E-Niro for a year and a half, but looking forward to getting my EV6 GT-Line S in February. E-Niro is an absolutely phenomenal car though, when you are factoring in efficiency
On Kia E Niro you can click arrow on right of screen to enjoy the full screen display. Or certainly can on my 4+! Great video and nice to hear you still like the Kia
I have a 19 niro hybrid touring and I find it very comfortable . I definitely think that the Niro will be more reliable. Having real buttons as seen on the test car is a huge bonus in my opinion .
Thanks again for the excellent review. I have posted it in the Kia E-Niro U.K. interest group on FB, so you should get quite a few more views from over 2000 members...
Thank you!
Good to know we wouldn’t have gone wrong with either car. Well, in the end we chose the ID.3 for two reasons: the lease was way cheaper, and according to Swiss vloggers, the ID.3 handles steeply rising roads covered in snow much better than any FWD car could.
8:11, You have the old software. In the newest software version you do have all the normal stuff next to Android auto :)
And thanks for the video!!
It is weird that a press car that started driving in March still has the old software. But great that they are improving it!
@@BatteryLife jes that's Weird, because you will get the car for a review and then i think new software is better!
Yes, you don't have the latest software. I was aware of this before I took delivery and asked my dealer to ensure it was upgraded prior to me collecting the car. I. Fact I requested this 3 times.
Come collection day, guess what.... It hadn't been updated, the dealer was adamant that it WAS the up to date software. Needless to say I was extremely annoyed.
I reluctantly took the car home and updated the software myself.
Zero effort by the dealer, which resulted in him receiving bad feedback from me and will not secure any more of my custom in the future.
@@BatteryLife This car seems to be a model 2020. The model 2021 already has the newest software from factory and has a different key.
@@David-bl1btHad exactly same experience - luckily it is not a VW ;)
Thank you for doing this review I am a new sub and have been looking to get a new EV and your channel has been very informative on the ID3
In London I have seen a lot of Niro's and not that many ID3's
I wanted to see a comparison between these 2 as I think for my needs these are the best of the bunch.
Things I like about the ID3: Rear Wheel Drive, Design, Range (58 kWh), Handling and Turning circle. Things not so good: software, no heat pump as standard (£1020 optional extra).
Things I like about the Niro: Range, Heat Pump as standard. Things I don't like: Front Wheel Drive, Design (and the 2023 is even more off putting!) Too many buttons, messy layout, don't know about handling or turning circle but am not even going to test drive as I don't like the uninspiring style.
I did consider the ID4 and the Ionic 5 but they are too big for only 5 people, better utility of space is a van based people carrier with much better driver and passenger comfort, like the Citroen e-Spacetourer but I didn't consider this as we only get the 40 kWh version in the UK and it has a range of 140 miles on a good day. My old Nissan eNV200 did that 4 years ago and it was a pain so not going there again.
I guess I will have to wait until the ID Buzz becomes more affordable in a few years time, like 2025?
Thank you and keep up the good work.
Just my 2c on why I went with the niro while considering both:
- Similar price in my case when equipped similarly.
- Roofbars! It's stupid but you can't put anything on the roof of the id3 (legally). I don't know how VW could decide against it. This was a no-go for me.
- My 4x daily commute is 15km and I live in the mointains. The winter consumption with the id3 would be really bad.
What I retrofitted:
- 1kw inverter for camping.
- 4x speakers
- Frunk
- Lowered the trunk
Totally correct! You were right.
For my case: i never need a roofrack. Ever.
Winter consumption will get better with the winter ota update.
@@BatteryLife I hope that there will be a possibility to manually use the battery heater.
@@BatteryLife What will change in that update and when will it come?
I have the 2019 🇨🇦 Canadian SX Touring model. UVO remote access is a bit flakey and slow. Faster charging would be nice but not needed for me as I can charge at home (7.4 kW) and don't do long trips. Strangely my snow tires seem quieter at higher speeds. The highway driving speeds in my area tend to be around 120 kph ( legal speed is 100). I certainly don't get Tesla efficiency, 22 kWh per 100 km would be an average at those speeds. The 64 kWh battery was the main reason to go electric as the range was finally good enough. Hard to justify changing to the EV6 or Ioniq5 for rear wheel drive or AWD, plus better charge curve, and vehicle to external power. (we'd only get 120 volt out and lower power output) VW's Id4 (Id3 not good enough?💪) and Ford Mach-E are starting to appear in Canada. Shiny new things💵💸. At least the Kia's SK battery is still safe compared to the early GM Bolts and Kona and which are under safety recalls or replacement . There have been some Niro electric motor and powertrain replacements reported in the Facebook group. Thank you❤️. I appreciate the time you take for reviewing and testing.
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I test drove the id3 and it is very nice indeed. The only issue is that it broke down halfway through the test drive. We stopped to let my wife have a go and it would not go back into drive, stayed in neutral. We had to wait for a technician to drop off another id3.
Sounds like an amazing test drive.
@@BatteryLife best so far!🤣
I have Kia Niro EV 2019 (as it's called in "the states"). The driver seat is too hard/firm, not comfortable , compared to my old Nissan LEAF. I like its GOM, doesnt fluctuate as much as my old LEAF and is fairly accurate. I agree the trip meter is stupid, doesnt let you reset the current trip, need to wait 4 hours for the car to be off, and it resets itself. I was told you can reset the Total Trip meter (the higher-level trip meter) which then would reset your current trip, but that wipes away the this Total Trip meter statistics. And it's fairly noisy with road and wind noise above 50km/h... But overall, still like it with its impressive range... one time, on a full charge it would show about 480 km range.
It's strange that the opinions on noise differ so strongly. Bjorn measured the noise of the e Niro against the ID.3 and the values were pretty much identical...maybe it is the frequency or the type of noise that is different...
Driven both and decided on the E Niro. Very, very pleased with our choice.
That is good!
Was looking forward to the comparison with the ID3; is it to be continued?
Chris approved! 👍👍👍
My family liked the Niro way more than the ID 3. But compared the Niro feels old school. Which is not a bad thing though. If Kia would refresh the interior the E Niro would be the winner. But leasing rates are too high for the E Niro. Thanks for the Video.
e-Niro 2021 interior and exterior refresh is around the corner, maybe it will be presented in a couple of months.
We have the 2020 version and my family love it. Very roomy, very efficient and very good range for traveling.
Besides old early 2020 software, could it be your car was 2020 Model? My 2021 Spirit early February came with a different (better looking) Key with the buttons on the side.
No idea. This press car started to drive in March!
Same here. Model 2021 has a different key.
I have a 19 Niro EV and live on a hill. The Niro has always gotten me home, but some times just nearly. VW and KIA/ Hyundai are bringing new models to the states for 22. since you have driven both types in the winter, I am wondering how much difference you see in climbing ability of packed snow? would like to avoid 4 wheel drive for money and efficiency reasons thank you. I was somewhat unimpressed with the ID-4, mostly because of regeneration and size. thank you
Haven't driven a front wheel drive EV on the snow really.
Hi James, I have heard someone complain about this. Make sure you change your drive mode. I can’t remember if they said go to eco or normal. I think if you go to normal it will allow you to climb better. A reviewer on youtube figured this out.
Everything he doesn't understand, i perfectly understand, it's actually quite logical and works so for a reason.
An ID3 owner criticising the infotainment software of an e-Niro? Really?
Android Auto looks better on my Id.3 than here.
Tripmeters are also better in the Id.3
Does the e-Niro even has "software" ??? Hahahah ... it's just a crappy radio!
Now take your time and go try both ... what will happen is that you will realize that really ID.3 is in the forefront and you will criticize ID.3 even more just to satisfy your ego.
Niro is nice middle MPV but in my country Czechia - the Niro 64kwh is more expensive than ID3 58kw, the price difference is 8400Euros!!! ...and it is strong argument to buy ID3 :-)
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FYI the Niro is not an ICE converted to electric, the Niro was planned from beginning as EV, PHEV and HEV. Similar to a lot of Mercedes Models.You could say a multi purpose plattform.
@timemachine_194 actually I totally agree. The mach e got removed from my wish list because of the long hood. the enyaq because of the fake grill. I hate the adaption of ice limitation on evs. But I still love my Ioniq classic even that is a multi purpose platform as well. but 3 years ago there was not a lot of choices. waiting atm on my ioniq 5 that make a lot out of the ev platform.
What do you expect of the next gen e-Niro?
No idea
What about overall efficiency? Is e-Niro more efficient than ID3?
On Autobahn id3 is slightly more efficient. 5-7% according to evcalc and many other tests. In Winter eniro is slightly more efficient because of the stupid battery heater in id3.
In my tests eniro slightly less efficient.
@@juveopera3698 i hope the fix this useless Battery heating with the first OTA Update
@@BatteryLife You are the only reviewer with this efficiency result, the id.3 is less efficient especially in winter, less powerful (what is the 0-100kph acceleration?), less well equipped and poorer warranty than the E Niro. In summer conditions, even in the UK, owners achieve 300+ miles (480km) range. You have wrong settings for SCC and you failed to check the driver’s display for sat nav screen - its there! Why are you giving such a negative review I wonder? The E Niro is a 4 year old design on compromised petrol/hybrid conversion NOT a pure EV like the id.3. Of course it is outdated. But why is the id.3 (and the Id.4) so far behind all the statistics of the previous generation E Niro? VAG engineers have been asleep at their desks. A biased, poorly researched and irrelevant comparison. The Hyundai Ionia 5 and Kia EV6 are the relevant Korean car comparisons - their first pure EVs. You also failed to research the use of buttons to switch main display to EV screen a much safer option for a driver. If you are going to review a car, do your research first. If you want to see how to do an objective car review see Bjorn Nyland. And why would you switch off the VESS which will warn pedestrians that you are approaching? I do not understand your criticism of the trip meter when there is an option to reset this? Your review has informed me that you do not make useful reviews.
@@ellistreloar2047 Ellis Treloar = Kia saleaman ... get a life ! hahahah
i test drove both and specifially looked at rear legroom and eniro has way more
Are you sure?
@@BatteryLife yep. i put the front seat in my driving position in both and measured from the back of the seat to the front of the back seat. eniro had like 5cm more
When you charge your id3, do you charge it to 100%
No, 80%, except for long trips.
Battery Life Thank you.
Parking sensors turn on when you put into reverse
But not the front ones when you drive into a garage. Like I said in the video.
@@BatteryLife yes a little annoying, I suppose it’s to stop it going off in slow moving traffic, you get used to putting into reverse quickly before parking instead of reaching for sensor button
The cars know that. My id.3 has the front parking sensors always on, but does not beep when I am behind a car at a light.
I guess the distance is more.
Remind me where in the video you compared the Kia to the ID 3? It's nice to know you have first world issues, "I had to push the boot lid down and the centre arm rest is hard on my elbow"😂
Evs are always just first world problems.
Id.3 & Id.4 --> Worst infotainment/touch screen system in automotive history. What an irony..
The Kia Niro EV is better 🙏🙏
Niro 17 inch tyres should be a lot cheaper than huge 19 or 20 inch ID tyres.
Kia Sport mode is smile mode...
Kia has 7 year warranty compared to only 3 years for VW.
Kia service network is excellent and the not full of pretentious people wearing creepy grey suits...
You are totally correct.
But you can get up to 5 years and 150000km warranty for the ID3
@@raphi25895 3 years in the UK.
5 years warranty ( ID.3 First ) in Austria...and yes you have to choose "friendly" VW dealer...
ID 3 is outdated compared to EV 6. What is the sense in comparing different generation cars? I have rhe feeling that this is a VW channel here. E-Niro is also outdated compared to Ioniq 5 and EV6 , why mentioning a VW. The whole thing here has a taste.
I compare id.3 with Eniro because i had both cars here. Since the Id.3 is mine.
They have similar dimensions, price, range, power,...
And just because I prefer my Id.3, does not mean you have to.
It is called Opinion. That is just my personal one.
I haven't driven another EV that fits my needs for a car more than my Id.3
But it is certainly not perfect, by far.
And of course there is more VW content here. I own one. I can do more tests
and VW are the only carmaker letting me get close to new cars earlier.
But that does not mean I lie about them.
I say it how I think. You don't have to believe me.
And yes Id.3 is outdated to Ioniq 5 and EV6. Totally true. I wasn't talking about those cars though.
And I tested 28 EVs on this channel. 4 of them are VW.
EV6 is in a different class so cannot compare to both the e-niro or the id3
Lol...and the Lord hath spoken!
He preferred the Kia...ignore him at your peril!
Okay, it may not be outdated, but don't we expect Kia to launch a totally new Niro in a couple of months ? Spy shots have been around since December 2020 at least, and rumors have it this way.
As a prospective buyer, it seems unreasonable to me to get a car which is going to be outdated by the next model in only a couple of months, especially if an EV where technology is moving so fast. Unless I get an insane rebate of course.
yes sir you are right. That is the whole point of outgoing models. You can get them at an amazing price and the dealer is willing to negotiate it down. Also the model usually has all the bugs and issues fixed. But I get if people want the latest and greatest, but that of course comes with a chance it wont be perfect, and I personally will always take something that works 100 percent of the time over things that are flimpsy. It just gets old being stuck at a dealer for silly software bugs... Yikkess
Very bad review. First adaptive cruise control button is on the right and you can set the distance. Second the Niro has a lot more extras than the ID 3 inclusive the heat pump. ID3 has a heat pump as an additional extra. ID3 is just plastic inside and the climate control is disaster. Kia regeneration mode is much better and Kia has 7 years warranty which is extremely important. VW is far behind Kia EV technology and with the new Kia EV6 with 800v charging technology 18 minutes charge 577 hp awd and 3.5sec 0 to 100km will be one of the best EV choices.
Fanboy ;)
Only the GT model gets that 0-100kph in 3.5 and the EV6 will be a lot more expensive than both the E-Niro and ID3 so not really a fair comparison
@@gregandkaruna6674 correct. But the 18 min charge time is a huge advantage. Don't forget and the 7 years warranty. VW has 3 and their service is very expensive. If you decide to sell your car after 3 years the second hand byer will take the car with 4 years manicure warranty left therefore the Kia will be sold easier and for a better price. End of the day the money you pay for the car is actually the money coming out of your pocket monthly. So, enjoy you VW 😉
@@danalec4742 I will never touch a VW! I like the Kia, but just pointing out the EV6 is not in same class. EV6 is too long E-Niro is the perfect size for me, just next year they will have a brand new e-niro model so would wait for that one with a far higher tech interior!
@@gregandkaruna6674 I've got Kia Soul 2020 with the same drivetrain and a battery pack like Niro. I love it. Comes as a top range only. The boot is small but I do 20k miles per year on my own therefore this is not a problem. 😊
ID3 is the new reference at that size. It's better electric vehicle than e-niro