i remember my mom bought a vw vetta combustion engine one and it had all kinda electical issues lol car would cut out randomly all the time just like this shit lol and she ended up returning, vw in general are pretty terrible lol actually if you look it up vw vehicles in general known for having electical issues.
Thumbs down on Volkswagen and also thumbs down on the United States, eh? Ouch. Hope you'll be happier in your next country. If it's Thailand, I have read that they have very expensive import duties on new cars there, but I guess that's not a problem for a car guy?
I had similar issues audio issues with GMC infotainment system. The solution was to not allow the phone wifi connect to the car, only Bluetooth. And I deleted any "accounts"from the car
We drive our id.4 since 2020 in Holland. Yes, we had software updates, yes, we had a new 12 volt battery. It never stopt anywhere, no repairs at our costs. We enjoy its ride. Make your Own opinion! Greetings
I have driven an ID4 for almost two years now. I do 50k miles per year and I havent come across any of he problems you point out. Best car I have ever driven
My friend has one , paid £40,000 almost for it , selling online at £20,000 so it has lost 50% in value in 2 years OMG ......Diesel & Petrol cost £23,000 and lose £4000 in 2 years , pointless buying one to lose 20k .....
I have an ID4 and it works fine. We’re Home charging else electric would be a pain. We have done a three year lease and return, and see it as a good way to not worry about the depreciation issue. I think VW has worked the IT hard since the first versions.
I still don’t understand how people just don’t get the model 3, superior in every way no brainer. But people do like a different look and badge loyalty.
Don't let this video deter you. Read the comments and decide for yourself. Despite the report of no over the air update, I have in fact gotten over the air updates as of July 2024. This vehicle runs and looks beautiful.
Here in Europe it has long been known that the software in these cars is awful - VW have now already released a complete updated version of the ID3 (which I believe is not sold in the US) This version is basically the car they should have released in the first place - there were so many complaints that they had to listen. As well as a complete overhaul of the interior materials (much higher quality) there has been a complete overhaul of the cars software, which was the thing that had the most complaints.
@@HermanWillems All older cars can/will be updated to ID Software 3.x. My 2020 ID.3 got a Volkswagen "field measure" logged so that I would automatically get the newest software when I next brought my car for regular maintenance. So there is no hardware issues.
A coworker bought an Id 4 about 6 months ago and has had no problems whatsoever. He loves it. Some complaints about certain aspects of the user interface but the car has performed flawlessly. I’m not buying this review.
I was very close to getting an ID.4 last year in July, but couldn't find one without massive markup or a 6 month delay. I ended up with a Chevy EUV instead. I'm pleasantly surprised, 1 year later with the car. No real issues besides a gasket that needed glued. Wireless Android Auto is 99.9% reliable, only acting up when my phone's Bluetooth is janked and the phone needs rebooted. Tire pressure is also shown per tire, and seems to update a few times a minute. I'm astonished that Chevy was able to make a great infotainment system, while VW can't.
iD.4 owner here. Zero issues. Sorry to hear about your experience being so shitty. The Qi heating issue is not a VW specific problem-- it is Qi in general. Car dealerships not having loaners is not a VW issue. All car dealerships are cutting back. This is a common 2021 Launch Edition story. Hence why I waited for the 2022 to pull the trigger. I'm glad I did otherwise I'd probably be making the same videos as yourself.
The pressure pump has a manometer, at least in Europe, so it is annoying to have the tire pressure error on, but pumping it without checking what the actual pressure is in your tires ... 😅😂
I was almost a purchaser of the id4. Luckily they didn’t have one in stock and i would have to order. I was on the list for a Tesla but after getting the Tesla shuffle for 3 months I decided to look around. I discovered the EV6 and ordered one. It took only two months to get my colors and AWD. I have had the car since July of 22. No issues. Never had to take it back to the dealer. Love this car. I would highly recommend it to anyone.
They are crap and lose 50% in value in 2 years as my friends has , £25 to £50 to supercharge to do 150 miles in town ? My 508 diesel will do 100 plus mpg and £20 tax a year ! Pointless crap tech EV's ....VW has just dropped production by 30% as hardly any buyers , no wonder losing £20,000 in 2 years , the petrol and diesel ones cost £23,000 and lose £4000 in 2 years , so you lose £17,000 more if you buy one ...OMG......
I had Android Auto connection issues with my old car, so I realize how incredibly frustrating it can be. On my new car, 2023 ID4, it's been rock solid. The nice comfortable ride, combined with the modern and constantly updated (by Google) Android Auto, and surprisingly good driver assist features, has made it very pleasurable to own.
@@Gay-is-_-trash I don't want an iPhone. They are too expensive. I am very happy with my Android phone that cost less than half as much. My EV is not junk. And, it's also a good value, does everything I want it to. And, it was cheap enough that I could pay cash, so no car payments.
European here, VW cars are amazing, my company use them as company cars but, but android auto sucks in all of them, so is a brand problems all the issues you pointed out I experienced on all VW car I drove
Bought my Tesla Model 3 Long Range in 2021. Have no zero problems. Best car I've ever owned by several orders of magnitude. You should reconsider getting a new Tesla. Seems like they've worked out many of their former quality control issues.
The model Y blows this VW out of the water in every way imaginable. I tested one and couldn't believe how much a piece of crap it felt like. so damn slow and boring. hideous old school interior, windows 95 type software
No Tesla fanboy ever has any problems with their Tesla. They all can go like 1 000 000 miles without charging despite pulling 3 caravans in a snowstorm. It is soooo cheap and never need any service. That is the story every single time. Problem is no one believes you, just look at the panel gaps or fogged up lights and anyone can see that Teslas quality is shit poor. And this youtube channel had a bunch of problems that made him change brand. Do you really think Tesla worked out a complete trashcan to be a huge success now? No, of course not. They still suck.
The one thing about Teslas that I honestly find enjoyable is that the infotainment system is pretty much the fastest and quickest I've ever used in any car, EV or no. There's barely any lag like you'd find with Apple Car Play. It's rather sad that other car companies aren't focusing on the software part as much as Tesla.
Driving my Model 3 now for 20.000 kilometers. I have literally ZERO issues with the infotainment. One thing i have issues with is the automatic wiper software. That just sucks. Other than that. I took the car and never been to the garage ever. Literally zero problems, im just hoping for a software update that fixes the automatic wipers. The rest is flawless.
I definitely like the infotainment in my Model S & X. In my MS, though, it has been freezing A LOT. Sometimes it even reboots when I'm driving. Something is wrong with the car as opposed to the infotainment in general, though.
When you start putting Air into your tire, why don't you check what pressure the pump is showing? I thought all pumps would show this, and you're supposed to check the manual or inside the door opening what pressure you're supposed to have!
I did. The problem wasn't the actual tire pressure, the problem was the tire pressure that the car thought the tires had which was wrong. How are you not able to follow this? It's very simple.
There are different types of sensors for Tire pressure. One type is using direct sensors in the tires and knows the pressure. The other is indirect using the ABS system, and only knows when there is a change in pressure. The ID4 uses the latter, but that is not something faulty, it's just different from Tesla for example. My old car used this.
I bought a VW on 7/22/2023 and it left me stranded on 8/6/2023 and 8/15/2023. After the last tow, I told them to leave the car in their lot . What a nightmare POS ! I since got a Toyota with ZERO issues.
I think its personal choice. Just like apple and android! Some hate sime live! I juts got my iD4 and love it. First off, I would never the 1st year model. I wait a few years and buy. We still have our BMW i3 and its awesome.
I also drive a '21 ID.4, 30k miles in. I had a few quality issues, and some issues that could have been HW or SW. I was also patiently waiting for the SW update, and since about a month I am on 3.1 (only took 9 days or so in the shop to get the update!). Since then my issues are gone (so, they were apparently SW).
I was warned that my update (about a month ago) would take several days, so I was very surprised when I dropped the car off the previous evening and they called me at lunch the next day to tell me that car was ready. So far so good. I did get a spurious message about an electrical problem. But otherwise solid.
it all depends on the extras you have ordered cause different control units or set of control units causes a lot of trouble where the dealers had to learn on customer cars what it takes to fix them. sometimes they had to do it multiple times which means updating each and every control unit, not only a few , every single one. And if something goes wrong they try over and over again till they learned how to partially update those units where the update had not worked out. Finally: some cars had different issues and needed 1 or even more new control units which might take longer cause they needed - after several attempts to fix it - the spare part first to start again. Therefore you find customers that got their car in the evening and other days later which means usually 1 to 10 days. All was well known if someone checked the german face book groups and other forums. Each and every fault was well known he had mentioned in the video and really astonishing to see that he even did not know the 12V battery charging issue. Which was totally easy to fix if you know about more how the issue was caused not really by the battery, but bby the energymeter cause the battery is not measured by voltage but by counting what goes into the battery and what goes out. If that drifts away everything goes wrong. To fix it there is a simple routine: charge the battery fully - connect it in the car - go into the obd dongle software and change the serial number there Do not think I am fooling you cause we all know that batteries have no serial number or communication lines, right ?! So: it works this way cause once you put any different serial number in the car sets the columbmeter or energymeter that tracks this battery back to full based on the capacity the battery has so maybe 80 Ah which means 960 Wh. And then the cars tracks the battery state by measuring what goes out of the battery and what goes in ... but from the right fully charged point that has not drifted away over time Does any average mechanic know about that? He should but they do not cause they do not really believe the stuff they are told to do and to learn. So by replacing the current battery serial with a new one you tell the car the 12v battery is fully charged and then everything is fine cause it then know when to recharge that from the main battery. Be aware of it and you have a lot less issues easy to fix by yourself or any garage that has at least a medioce mechanic. The roots of these issues are well known and date back to the introduction of start stop automatics where they wanted to make sure not to turn off the car at a red light when the car would not turn on again. That is impossible with 12 V lead acid and measuring only the Voltage, that needed a lot more and hence the energymonitor came in 10 years ago and suddenly caused here in the ID family new issues.
I owned a 2019 Volkswagen E-golf. Absolutely no issues synching with my phone, no mechanical or software problem. The best part, no battery degradation. I charge my e-golf to 90-95% on a Supercharger and even charge it to full on my home charger. The only issue with the e-golf is the range. Otherwise, it is even better than a Model 3.
dude, just stop yourself. e-golf is known to be one of the worst EVs out there, and doesnt even get close to a model 3. You don't wanna be embarrassed about your purchase and try to justify it, but you're not fooling anyone with a smidge of common sense. They basically couldnt sell em to anyone but ultra brand loyal people, which is why you never see them anywhere. Every single battery has degradation, especially when charged to such high soc.
Here in the uk right now you can’t even give away an EV. The values have gone through the floor. Vw have paid off 1500 workers and cut back on EV production.
I got the id4. Nice car, runs well, infotainment works great. Just learn the car and you will love it. Don't listen to everything these people say. Go to a dealer, try it, ask actual owners about everything on the car.
I have an new ID4 for 6 months now, and I had NEVER any of your problems. We use multiple phones, no heating issues at all. Never any problem with screens, nor software. It's a pleasure to drive in this car compared to a Tesla. I think the problem is not the car in this video. 😅
...and yet many cliché BS comments on the internet about "Alfa Romeo" reliability, meanwhile Alfa SMOKES the Germans in reliability...check out 2023 J D Power initial reliability survey... FORZA ALFA BABY !!!! THE KING IS BACK !!!!
Just about everything that you mentioned is why I am sticking with my 12 year old Lexus. Old school everything,no messing about with phones and apps. Just don't need the annoyance.
@@peterobertson2086 -Doesn’t sound like you drove it like a hot rodder. The acceleration is phenomenal., the features are great once you drive it for awhile. Bet your cousin loves it unless she’s a little old lady.
So if I understand correctly, a car is judged in terms of software and no longer in terms of driving characteristics. I really thought that a car was primarily intended for transport.
I have id4 prime 2023 already drove it 26000 km with no problems and its my 3rd EV i had before Xpeng G3 2019 it was good also and Tesla 3 2021. ID4 is my favorite I plan to change it next year but i can’t find better (in my opinion)its a great SUV … disagree with this video
Alex , I have to say thanks to you , I just got my first ev (Chevy bolt ev 2023). I have to learn not to step on the gas peddle to hard unlike a gas car this thing picks up so fast 😂. I love how this thing gives me 278 miles on a 80% full charge even though epa range is 259. One thing iam not a fan of is the the brake and signal lights are on the rear bumper instead of the tale light act like day time driving light always on . So iam more carefull when braking or signaling . Maybe while you are here you could rent a Chevy bolt ev or Euv. Anyways good luck with your travels .
I have a 2021 ID4 as well and have experienced a lot of the problems mentioned in the video. Still to this day there hasn't been any OTA update. Have to submit the car to VW every time and it takes a week (!) for VW to install the new software. Unbelievable... The ID4 software is terrible, laggy and not user friendly. For example: It often needs to "load" the ventilation settings (!). Also have a Tesla Model 3 and everything just works and with lightning fast interface. Tesla sends out several OTA updates a month and just one click on your phone and it instantly installs by itself.
I did the same with my id3 after 2 years and 60k km. I was so unhappy on so many things that I wanted just return it. now ai drive a renault megane electric and I am satisfied on many levels from the aesthetics to the drive range
I received an AWD 2021 Id4 in December of 2021 and love the car. I've had none of the problems that plagued your car and have done a number of road trips using EA with no problems. It's too bad you didn't get my car and you could have had more positive remarks.
I have Dec 2021 ID4 and no issues at all. Never plan to get software upgrade due to it appears this likely a major issue with future problems but no significant improvement in using the vehicle. I bought a second ID 4 in Nov 2023 and wife loves it. No issues with either.
Your ID.4 enthusiasm almost had me buy one for my wife. Glad she decided to keep my 2018 Volt instead. It has been rock-solid reliable. but why is she driving my car? Well, I went full early adopter and bought a Lucid a year ago. Lots of software bugs that disappeared with one OTA after another. Then the OTAs started adding new features. It has been such a joy owning and driving this car. Maybe they will even have it in Thailand soon. Have fun in your new home. Good luck with the channel.
I sold my 2017 Volt for 15k and used a 2021 ID4 Pro S AWD for 21k after $4k ev credit. That's only $6k difference. My Volt had so many issues with Android Auto and disconnections with audio. It happens so often and disrupts my driving. I have no problems with my ID4. My wife loves it.
I have a 2022 Pro S and I’ve had all the same problems as you Alex. I’ve had my car in the shop three times in May alone. I had to open a lemon law case because VW didn’t want to willingly take this car back. My case should be closed by mid-July. I can’t wait to be done with this car.
Damn what a contrast towards my Tesla. I took it, have driven 20K kilometers literally zero issues. Nothing. I never had a car that had this little issues. My Collegue has a Skoda Enyaq which is actually an ID4 under the hood and also had many problems.
So my boss in the UK, has an ID4, and is having exactly the same issues, his ID4 died, and they had to replace the entire 12v system, and a software update, which took a couple of days
Houston, Texas downtown skyline at 13:40. Note the stairstep of the Pennzoil Building at left and the "Mayan Temple" that tops the diamond pattern of the Texaco Building at center. Definitely not Austin, Texas.
Thank you for this in-depth video. The id.4 was my #2 choice for my first EV. So glad I bought the Ford Mach-e instead. No, I don't get as much free public charging, but I have had ZERO issues and truly enjoy driving it, even after eight months and 15,000 miles. Hope your move to Thailand goes well. I'm planning on remaining here in California for the time being.
@@Nessal83 There are some pretty good to very good indeed BEV from China hitting UK/Europe as I type or soon. OK, they're not in the USA yet, but Alex will be able to report on them from Thailand. Perhaps he'll bump in to Bjorn Nyland when he makes one of his trips to Thailand to see family.
Like your blog. I recently sprung for 1917 Leaf and am happy as a clam. 12K$ charge at home and just putt around town (San Jose Ca.) Loved my 9 months in Bangkok (US military 1965). Keep up the good work.
As for the tire pressure issue. I have a PoleStar 2 (love it). Anyway, I was driving one day and ran over something that caused my tire to rapidly deflate and fail. I brought it in to a tire center to get a replacement. When discussing the tire I asked about the tire pressure monitor. They explained that are 2 methods. One to to measure tire pressure. Its more expensive than method 2. Method 2 is to count rotations and use it to determine if you are going faster or slower than you would if the tire was at optimal pressure. These systems will tell you to wait until the tires are warm before reporting. The ID4 may use method 2 and as a result the system doesn't know which tire has too low/high pressure.
I was thinking about the same type of measung. Cheap cars have that kind of "sensors" (I think it is actually more related to ABS than a tyre pressure).
Honda uses "method 2" as you mentioned. The pro is that you don't need to buy/replace those sensors to go with the wheels, having to buy another set for summer/winter tires, and then uploading the sensor IDs after swapping tires. The con is - as you said - estimating, and not actually measuring the pressure.
These systems are stupid. I want to know the actual tire pressure. I couldn't believe my son's brand new Honda Civic doesn't have actual TPMS pressure sensors.
The issue with the earlier models is not about the software, but the hardware. The pre late-2022 models have a c06 CPU, when the newer models have a c08 CPU that has almost no issues at all on the latest versions of the software. Tbf, issues described in the video are kind of typical for any brand new vehicle, not just the EV.
Yes - the ‘23 is much improved on all these issues. VW is still dragging their feet on the ota updates though. If/when that happens there should be even more refinements and features which they’ve been bragging about for a year but still haven’t unlocked them.
I had an ID.4, worst car ever, got a Polestar 2, have had 3 OTA since buying it last year...with substantial enhancements every time...a night and difference from the train wreck that is VW software,
@@mr.wizeguy8995 - Read more carefully, update every 4-5 weeks more often around the holidays so about 10-12 a year. Mt MS is 3.5 yr old. The free OTA updates add new functionality, nice cosmetic feature or in some cases add to the Toybox, once in a while there will be one that is for minor software fixes. The car is definitely more capable now then when I first got it. Example: added a feature where it chimes once when the light turns green and the car in front moves and you don’t, you can turn it off. A feature that detects large potholes and will instantly lift the car, mine has air suspension, or leaves it riding higher if the road is full of potholes. When I first got it the range was 370 miles, an update 3 months later raised it to 392, then another 3-4 months it went to 402, all thru improvements to the BMS software. Bet your car doesn’t get better with time.
@@Chainyanker007 I multiply once too much in my head but still over 40 updates at least. If range is increased by software it has been most likely limited in first place and giving fake impression that car became better. If you haven't notice that Tesla main goal has been from start make car as cheap as possible and price was as high as possible. Now they had to lower price because many people are more interest quality than cheap looking expensive car.
I have the phone overheating issue. But everything else works fine. software version 3.2. The app is very barebone even compared to Kia but it seems to work now. Theres only 3 Functions basically monitor charging, start ac/heating, send a route to the car GPS. Thats it.
Volvo C40 with android auto has been near flawless for the last 14 months of ownership. Software issues like mapping were updated over the air about six months later. This is why I’m considering the new EX 90.
For all ID's prior to 2023 there is a huge software update that takes two to three days and also replacement of the 12volt battery. It doesn't solve everything just some know issues. These cars are bound to have huge issues in the near future because VW software development teams don't do their job right.
Alex, got to be one of your best video’s so far. Great I depth overall explanation of the relevant issues and problems you’ve experienced with both your ID.4 and VW customer service (or lack thereof). 👍🏻
Same with Tesla, to many quality issues. I been in service for 8 time in one year. It’s frustrating and not what you paid for. But at least there software works. I am 2021 Model 3 owner. Car is from Fremont, wish I got a car from China!
I am a first adopter of FORD EV's (lightning) honestly Ford has been amazing, I had the tail light issue and ford corporate was all over it. They also gave me warranty extensions and even offered to cover my gas bill on my other car. The truck is amazing. My buddy bought one and had an accident first day he had it, tail light took about 2 weeks to get. His was one of the first delivered units. I needed a truck and this truck does everything I need and it has not disappointed. VW dropped the ball for sure.
Ford has their issues too. The Mach-E stalling because of battery issues, the Lightning stopping production because one caught on fire.. the ID.4 is good, all first year cars have some issues for some people.
Just yesterday we bought a fully loaded ‘23. I never go with the first year of a car that’s the opportunity to see what’s going on with them (good/bad). We traded in our Kia Sorento cause gas is way too expensive in California and my wife only does City we spent over $300 in gas last month and barely put on 500 miles on the car. So we love the ID4 it of course takes some getting used to, something I’m not thrilled about but it drives beautifully and it super quiet even on the highway. No folding mirrors, no end call button for calls, low end quality back up cam. But that’s all I have to zonk it for. We love it. Sometimes you get bad lemons
I drove an ID.4 when i was shopping cars and found it a pleasant enough vehicle. It was actually on my list before i ultimately went with a second Mustang Mach-E. It's too bad about the software issues they had in MY 1 and I'm glad they seen to have sorted that out. Still, as other posters have observed, buying any car in its first year of production is always a bit of a crapshoot. Good luck with your future plans, both with EVs and just with your life in general. I look forward to hearing from you on both fronts.
I'd say that it's getting worse and worse when it comes to first-time adopters. Systems are much more complex than they were years ago and fine tuning seems to take place after the product is released instead of before.
@@michalsvihla1403 As cars become more dependent on software, auto manufacturers become more like software developers: ship it after an insufficient beta period and fix the remaining bugs by patching after release.
I bought a Skoda Enyaq 80X, sister model of VW ID-4. Software ME 3.1, it is good! There are thing in the software I would like them to improve, but it do not have any of the problems shown in the video here.
Have had a Model Y LR for 8 months now and not one issue. The only service appointment we made was to have someone install the roof rack we bought and they came to the house and installed it for free as well as checked the tire inflation. Just like being an early adopter with the ID 4 being an early adopter with the Model S put you in a spot to see the worst side of Tesla. I think you need to get a Model 3 and find out all you issues with Tesla are historical. Not that Tesla or the Model 3 are perfect but they do not have any of the software issues you described with the ID4.
No Tesla fanboy ever has any problems with their Tesla. They all can go like 1 000 000 miles without charging despite pulling 3 caravans in a snowstorm. It is soooo cheap and never need any service. That is the story every single time. Problem is no one believes you, just look at the panel gaps or fogged up lights and anyone can see that Teslas quality is shit poor. And this youtube channel had a bunch of problems that made him change brand. Do you really think Tesla worked out a complete trashcan to be a huge success now? No, of course not. They still suck.
Alex, it's not just the ID4, as you probably know. I have the ID3 P-Pro that isn't a 1st edition, but was built soon afterwards and, although it is a very much more sprightly car than your ID4, it has similar software faults, although you've had a particularly poor one, I think. Everything you've mentioned, bar the entire breakdowns, I've had. Voice Commands totally suck still. OTA updates don't happen. The last one I had was when there was a 12V battery recall. I had V2.3 then, and guess what? I still have V2.3 because the service dealer feared he might brick the car. Oh, and both headlights fogged up [condensation inside - seals gone]. So what did they do? They said to leave it for a while. And of course the warmer weather came along and the issue went away, as I knew it would when he suggested it [I ain't stupid buddy, or maybe I am for having this car]. Of course the problem is still there, just waiting for next winter. But the lease is up at the end of March 2024. That said, my ID3 P-Pro is a nice, comfy, very nippy [OK not Tesla nippy] good car. But it's spoiled every trip when I have to interact with its software. And really it's only made bearable by Android Auto, which shouldn't have to be the case. Finally, the phone App has gone from "this totally stinks" to "there's an odd unpleasant aroma around here" when I use it. That's probably the biggest improvement from the car overall in 2+ years.
I had a 2014 egolf for many years. It worked flawlessly, even software. Now i drive a tesla, which never had a issue so far, but i sometimes miss the nice vag car. My next ev car will probably be a KGM. We also own a Aixam electric vehicle. Thats a interesting moped car.
With all these digital features going on there are so many things that can fail. With tactile buttons and analogue features it's much simpler. It just works and if it don't it's easy to detect the error and fix it. I don't even like to constantly having to press or tap a screen. I prefer the haptic response of tactile buttons, knobs and switches. Always done, always will.
I had a 2016 and 2019 e-Golf and loved them. Super reliable, but Car-Net sucked then too. I knew when I checked out the ID.4 that it would have a ton of issues when they went the super tech route. Sorry to hear you had such problems, but hopefully they're much better now.
I saw some statistics about ev's and the golf was one of the better ev's. The same could not be said about the id3 and id4 in the same stats :/ edit: in terms of issues of the car.
Have had a Model 3 for just over 3 years now, 0 issues. Most issues with Tesla's were their first few years of Model S (minor AND major issues) and 1st gen Model 3 (minor issues). Also for the price, ID.4 costs ~17k more than a Model 3, so it's a no-brainer to get the Model 3.
I don't blame them. Your style here was a bit immature and over the top on the negativity! Sure it had problems, no denying it, but giving it the bird!? I realize I'm a bit hipocritical because I feel similarly negative about Tesla right now, but at least I'm not an influencer on TH-cam. If I was I would probably try to tone the negativity down, or at least not expect their CEO to accommodate me with special access. Be realistic dude!
I'm a Canadian Id4 owner and my car has been bought and serviced at Bramgate VW . The car has been with them since April 22nd, that over 3 months and counting. They said the part will come on July 13 which changed to July 31st which now changed to we have no idea when the part will come or even if it will ever come. At this point I doubt I will ever see the car again. All I get is sorry its too bad.
Thanks for sharing your story with the VW ID.4. I’ve been driving EV’s since 2011, 2 Leafs and 2 Bolts. Just turned in the 2020 Bolt this weekend and replaced it with a Kia EV6 GT-line AWD. Really enjoying the many new features and more comfortable ride so far. Good luck in Thailand!
First, what made your phone heat up? Was it simply being connected to the wireless app-connect or CarPlay? Or was it when you used the wireless charger? Because every vehicle wireless charger I’ve ever used appears to cook my phone, so I plug it in. And I’ve never had a car with tire pressure monitoring that indicated anything other than there’s an issue. I always take my pressure gauge to the tire in question and check it, and honestly, I’ve never had a vehicle where the tire had too much air. How would that even happen?
Interesting, I live in China and am considering an ID6 Crozz. Chinese forums suggest that the software bugs are mostly fixed with a recent update. However this is China, so no Android Auto here (no Google), and I guess the engineers are actually Chinese, which would explain most of the issues you encountered. They have Carplay and Baidu Carlife here. 204HP is a bummer alright but as a family hauler it's ok. 8 year warranty on power train is nothing to sneer at, and it's transferable to the next owner (only Tesla and Xpeng have this), with a subjectively nicer and larger interior than Tesla MY and a crazy discount as they don't sell well. Unfortunately it uses a ternary lithium ion battery, all the more reason to have that warranty.
Very clickbaitey title and thumbnail, you act like the main reason you sold the car was because it “sucked” but a big reason of it is because you’re moving to Thailand. Which you didn’t mention until half way through the video, that feels disingenuous to me. A lot of this video seems like an overreaction too. The Android Auto rant that takes up too much time than it should. Android Auto sucks, I’ve had connection issues with multiple cars and phones. You having what looks like an old Google Pixel doesn’t help either, those are known for having glitchy and faulty hardware and software. Your phone overheating is not going to be ONLY the cars fault. Every car I’ve used with CarPlay works as it should while I’ve had so many issues with Android Auto. It’s not really a safety issue either, you shouldn’t be trying to fix Android Auto while driving you should pull over always. You spend so much time complaining about small issues like the Android Auto and dont really talk about the actual issues like the 12v issues causing the car to brick. The 12v issues were also to be addressed in the recall update to 2021 models you had right before you sold it so they should not happen anymore. I appreciate you saying the 2022 and 2023s are better, because they are. I have one and I love love love it. No issues at all and it’s comfortable with great range charging and price. Not saying these issues are ok but if you’re buying a brand new year one car model with a completely new powertrain there’s most likely to be issues. Even a year one car from a company that’s known for being reliable like Toyota can have major issues. You should avoid first year cars if you don’t want issues. 2022 and 2023 ID.4s do not have many issues.
In -21 I had Model 3, sold it and bought ID4 with massage and all possible equipment. Had it two months and sold it. Bought Model Y and was happy again. Still have it and still happy!
Some people have the worst luck with any car they own. I think that is you! 115k miles on my ID.4 1st and no issues. The OTA update took forever, completely agree there. TPMS, learn how to use a tire pressure gauge. An ABS TPMS will never respond to tire pressure changes until you drive it. I mean, come on, as a car reviewer, you should know cars better. Audio issues, whenever you use a voice command with the phone it defaults to "voice control", you have to hit the infotainment power button or volume slider with two fingers to go back to music audio. It is a PITA but manageable.
No Tesla fanboy ever has any problems with their Tesla. They all can go like 1 000 000 miles without charging despite pulling 3 caravans in a snowstorm. It is soooo cheap and never need any service. That is the story every single time. Problem is no one believes you, just look at the panel gaps or fogged up lights and anyone can see that Teslas quality is shit poor. And this youtube channel had a bunch of problems that made him change brand. Do you really think Tesla worked out a complete trashcan to be a huge success now? No, of course not. They still suck.
On 19th of September 2024 VW issued a "stop sell" on the ID4 to their USA dealer network (Kelly blue book) due to outstanding issues including the car doors unlocking without warning. So what does that tell you ?
23 ID.4 3.1.0 owner here. I've experienced several software issues but nothing too serious. The climate control system is probably my biggest complaint. It almost always turns the AC on every time I get in and drive somewhere. It was cold recently and my wife switched on the heater, AC turned on 3 times during her drive. This is using classic climate. We also had issues with the windows rolling down when we wanted to roll them up, had to calibrate the windows which was simple enough. Android auto is a bit of a joke. Wireless AA was useless, it was so laggy to navigate so we just turned off the hotspot and use a cable. It's still slow to connect with the cable but at least AA isn't as laggy. The phone still gets hot while connected. The seats don't always go back to my programmed position, I also can't just press the seat position button to move the seat, it needs to be held? And I get a popup to apply the seat changes to my profile almost every drive, even when nothing has changed. I've heard 3.2.0 will be a bugfix release, hoping we get it as an OTA soon but I'm not holding my breath. I'd still recommend a 23 even with the issues I've experienced.
Alex, I have been following your channel for a few years. After buying a model 3 in 2021, we decided to buy another EV. Being a Tesla owner, the 2nd EV was not going to be a Tesla. Living in California made it a challenge to buy an EV at a reasonable price. Before deciding on EVs I tried buying a Toyota RAV4 prime prime for a few years but could never find one that wasn't marked up $10K over the MSRP. I ended up ordering a Subaru, VW and Nissan EV. With the ID4 coming out of Tennessee, it was the lowest cost with the tax break. The Subaru was too much like a Toyota EV with its low range and high price. Nissan did not communicate with me during the one year wait. After seeing your reviews on the ID4 and finding out VW removed the heat pump as well getting cheap on parts, I cancelled my order the week the car came in. Cancelled the Subaru EV too. Nissan the company sucked but the Ariya was pretty nice. The software sucks but the car drives like nice car and not the rollercoaster M3 ride. Your videos were very helpful in my decision in ending up with the Nissan Ariya. I've been to Thailand a few times and love the people and its culture. Good luck to you on the next chapter in your life and channel!!!
The Nissan Ariya looks nice. Nissans ICE cars they say are not as reliable as Toy & Honda yet my family has 2012 Altima and 2016 Rogue. So far so good, but we put very few miles on each car. The selling point for me with Nissan ICE cars was the much cheaper price the Nissans were, whether used or new. What made you decide on a Nissan Ariya over the Tesla model Y ???
@@sevencostanza3931 Our other EV is a model 3 and had to bring it in for service. The service department was so so and will only get worst as they sell more cars. Like their supercharger station, there's not enough service station so repairs can take time. The Y is just a bigger version of the 3 but with more power. I missed comfortable seats and headliner grab handles for my mother in law to get in and out of the car. The interior of the Ariya is way nicer and the heads up display is great. The tesla screen, charging speed and navigation is way better than nissan. But I am happy with the Ariya and enjoy taking it out a leisurely drive every once in a while.
Thanks for delivering your reasonably objective assessment of the ID.4 EV. You were constructive and sited evidence that puts truth on the table, critical for consumers laying big money out for high tech transportation. I'm hopeful VW is responding to real customer experiences and feedback.
I have had my ID4 for less than a month and it is back in the shop for a third time. I had a LOUD bang while driving. The next day, the radio started turning itself up and when I tried to turn it down, it turned itself back up again; the seat warmer turned itself on; the auto stop got stuck; the intermittent wipers won't work; the electric plug in has locked up on me three times, the screen has just gone blank as in the video. It has been a nightmare and I want to take it back as I'm actually afraid to drive it now.
Thanks for sharing you experience and insight! Really informative! I'm in the market to say goodbye to my Tesla Model 3 for something larger. I was considering an ID4, but last thing I want to take on are software glitches, especially while driving. Very unfortunate that VW isn't pushing software updates to older vehicles (or if it's hardware related, offering some kind of retrofit option)
My next car is def gonna be a Tesla. Although, I do have 2 Cybertrucks on order. Not sure if I will get them or not. PS. Would love a Tesla sporty compact 2dr coupe. Would love a mini Cybertruck 2 dr kinda like Delorean style. .... a guy can dream. 🙂
WATCH NEXT - VW ID.4 alternatives in 2023: th-cam.com/video/tizxDXgDOEQ/w-d-xo.html
i remember my mom bought a vw vetta combustion engine one and it had all kinda electical issues lol car would cut out randomly all the time just like this shit lol and she ended up returning, vw in general are pretty terrible lol actually if you look it up vw vehicles in general known for having electical issues.
Thumbs down on Volkswagen and also thumbs down on the United States, eh? Ouch. Hope you'll be happier in your next country. If it's Thailand, I have read that they have very expensive import duties on new cars there, but I guess that's not a problem for a car guy?
Clogging up our streets, for... Too.... Damn... Long.. . Lol, what a tool that guy is.
I had similar issues audio issues with GMC infotainment system. The solution was to not allow the phone wifi connect to the car, only Bluetooth. And I deleted any "accounts"from the car
Just get a Model Y; a lot more sorted out vehicle...
I had my ID.4 for 2 years and I haven’t encountered none of the problems you had mentioned. I love my ID.4
If you haven't encountered none of the problems, that means that you encountered some problems (double negative).
And You will encounter the mentioned ones in future
Most people haven't. The car has amazing reviews. He got a lemon. No car produced has ever been 100%.
@@peters1559 Not necessarily. Some might. A few got lemons. That's for sure.
I love my ID.4. I have the AWD version and it is very fast and comfortable. No software problems.
What model year is it?
@@gamingwitharlen2267 2022. AWD.
We drive our id.4 since 2020 in Holland. Yes, we had software updates, yes, we had a new 12 volt battery.
It never stopt anywhere, no repairs at our costs. We enjoy its ride. Make your Own opinion! Greetings
same here! 2023 awd pro s and I absolutely LOVE IT!
Wich id4 you have ?
I have driven an ID4 for almost two years now. I do 50k miles per year and I havent come across any of he problems you point out. Best car I have ever driven
My friend has one , paid £40,000 almost for it , selling online at £20,000 so it has lost 50% in value in 2 years OMG ......Diesel & Petrol cost £23,000 and lose £4000 in 2 years , pointless buying one to lose 20k .....
I have an ID4 and it works fine. We’re Home charging else electric would be a pain. We have done a three year lease and return, and see it as a good way to not worry about the depreciation issue. I think VW has worked the IT hard since the first versions.
I still don’t understand how people just don’t get the model 3, superior in every way no brainer. But people do like a different look and badge loyalty.
My small dealership is buying back and average of two each week.
They are awful. I expect better build quality from Hasbro.
I agree, it's a good car. I own one.
Don't let this video deter you. Read the comments and decide for yourself. Despite the report of no over the air update, I have in fact gotten over the air updates as of July 2024. This vehicle runs and looks beautiful.
Here in Europe it has long been known that the software in these cars is awful - VW have now already released a complete updated version of the ID3 (which I believe is not sold in the US) This version is basically the car they should have released in the first place - there were so many complaints that they had to listen. As well as a complete overhaul of the interior materials (much higher quality) there has been a complete overhaul of the cars software, which was the thing that had the most complaints.
i did a stint for the company that makes the software.... it sux..... ( I drive a cupra as second car ID V3 software)
So they are not going to fix the older cars? So it is about hardware issues then too.
@@HermanWillems All older cars can/will be updated to ID Software 3.x. My 2020 ID.3 got a Volkswagen "field measure" logged so that I would automatically get the newest software when I next brought my car for regular maintenance. So there is no hardware issues.
@@patrickmaartense7772 what company made the software?
A coworker bought an Id 4 about 6 months ago and has had no problems whatsoever. He loves it. Some complaints about certain aspects of the user interface but the car has performed flawlessly. I’m not buying this review.
Dude talking about how bad is car. Literally first 2 points: my phone doen't work, my phone overheats.
in the id4 😅
I was very close to getting an ID.4 last year in July, but couldn't find one without massive markup or a 6 month delay. I ended up with a Chevy EUV instead. I'm pleasantly surprised, 1 year later with the car. No real issues besides a gasket that needed glued. Wireless Android Auto is 99.9% reliable, only acting up when my phone's Bluetooth is janked and the phone needs rebooted. Tire pressure is also shown per tire, and seems to update a few times a minute. I'm astonished that Chevy was able to make a great infotainment system, while VW can't.
? Its not about a bloody chevy num nuts!
iD.4 owner here. Zero issues. Sorry to hear about your experience being so shitty. The Qi heating issue is not a VW specific problem-- it is Qi in general. Car dealerships not having loaners is not a VW issue. All car dealerships are cutting back. This is a common 2021 Launch Edition story. Hence why I waited for the 2022 to pull the trigger. I'm glad I did otherwise I'd probably be making the same videos as yourself.
The pressure pump has a manometer, at least in Europe, so it is annoying to have the tire pressure error on, but pumping it without checking what the actual pressure is in your tires ... 😅😂
He looses credibility with that and other stupid complaints. Obviously the car has its own navigation system.
Exactly what I was thinking…
That sucks. I literally have not experienced a single issue you listed. It reminds me if my Jeep Patriot. No one had any issues besides me. 🤷♂️
I was almost a purchaser of the id4. Luckily they didn’t have one in stock and i would have to order. I was on the list for a Tesla but after getting the Tesla shuffle for 3 months I decided to look around. I discovered the EV6 and ordered one. It took only two months to get my colors and AWD. I have had the car since July of 22. No issues. Never had to take it back to the dealer. Love this car. I would highly recommend it to anyone.
Germans are good in tanks but no software. This country is in 1990 in terms of electronics, software, mobile services, car software.
They are crap and lose 50% in value in 2 years as my friends has , £25 to £50 to supercharge to do 150 miles in town ? My 508 diesel will do 100 plus mpg and £20 tax a year ! Pointless crap tech EV's ....VW has just dropped production by 30% as hardly any buyers , no wonder losing £20,000 in 2 years , the petrol and diesel ones cost £23,000 and lose £4000 in 2 years , so you lose £17,000 more if you buy one ...OMG......
@@curtisducati Dropped production because for the same price you can get a Model Y. Which is now the TOP SELLING car in Germany.
@curtisducati Mine is fine:) Price drop is real though.
The ev6 is very good also. I own the id4 and it's a great car as well.
Wow thank you I was going to buy an ID4 and found your video just search for cool ID4 videos and instead found yours.
Thanks
I had Android Auto connection issues with my old car, so I realize how incredibly frustrating it can be. On my new car, 2023 ID4, it's been rock solid. The nice comfortable ride, combined with the modern and constantly updated (by Google) Android Auto, and surprisingly good driver assist features, has made it very pleasurable to own.
Step 1: get rid of that junk EV
Step 2: Buy an iPhone
@@Gay-is-_-trash I don't want an iPhone. They are too expensive. I am very happy with my Android phone that cost less than half as much. My EV is not junk. And, it's also a good value, does everything I want it to. And, it was cheap enough that I could pay cash, so no car payments.
@Dan Sanger Your android is trash, your woke EV is garbage
@@Gay-is-_-trash iphone is garbage
@@Gay-is-_-trashiPhone is garbage bro, Samsung and Google pixel is where it's at
European here, VW cars are amazing, my company use them as company cars but, but android auto sucks in all of them, so is a brand problems all the issues you pointed out I experienced on all VW car I drove
Love our VW ID.4 ProS RWD. Zero problems, and works very well. We've had it for just short of 2 years.
I agree with VW. I think Google is the problem. I have the same Android Auto problems with my Bolt EUV and Kona.
Bought my Tesla Model 3 Long Range in 2021. Have no zero problems. Best car I've ever owned by several orders of magnitude. You should reconsider getting a new Tesla. Seems like they've worked out many of their former quality control issues.
Same here, 2020 Model 3 Performance, 3+ years no issues- best car I’ve owned
2022 Tesla Model Y LR. Far and away the best car I've ever owned or driven. Love the new features added every few weeks.
The model Y blows this VW out of the water in every way imaginable. I tested one and couldn't believe how much a piece of crap it felt like. so damn slow and boring. hideous old school interior, windows 95 type software
No Tesla fanboy ever has any problems with their Tesla. They all can go like 1 000 000 miles without charging despite pulling 3 caravans in a snowstorm. It is soooo cheap and never need any service. That is the story every single time. Problem is no one believes you, just look at the panel gaps or fogged up lights and anyone can see that Teslas quality is shit poor. And this youtube channel had a bunch of problems that made him change brand. Do you really think Tesla worked out a complete trashcan to be a huge success now? No, of course not. They still suck.
I have a 2023 ID4 and none of those issues are present
The one thing about Teslas that I honestly find enjoyable is that the infotainment system is pretty much the fastest and quickest I've ever used in any car, EV or no. There's barely any lag like you'd find with Apple Car Play. It's rather sad that other car companies aren't focusing on the software part as much as Tesla.
Driving my Model 3 now for 20.000 kilometers. I have literally ZERO issues with the infotainment. One thing i have issues with is the automatic wiper software. That just sucks. Other than that. I took the car and never been to the garage ever. Literally zero problems, im just hoping for a software update that fixes the automatic wipers. The rest is flawless.
I definitely like the infotainment in my Model S & X. In my MS, though, it has been freezing A LOT. Sometimes it even reboots when I'm driving. Something is wrong with the car as opposed to the infotainment in general, though.
@@beyerch I don’t get hardly any freezes in my Model 3. I know I got way more freezes and reboots in my Honda with Apple play
It’s like using an iPhone.
When you start putting Air into your tire, why don't you check what pressure the pump is showing? I thought all pumps would show this, and you're supposed to check the manual or inside the door opening what pressure you're supposed to have!
I did. The problem wasn't the actual tire pressure, the problem was the tire pressure that the car thought the tires had which was wrong. How are you not able to follow this? It's very simple.
Did you just delete my comment where I explained it to you?
There are different types of sensors for Tire pressure. One type is using direct sensors in the tires and knows the pressure. The other is indirect using the ABS system, and only knows when there is a change in pressure. The ID4 uses the latter, but that is not something faulty, it's just different from Tesla for example. My old car used this.
I bought a VW on 7/22/2023 and it left me stranded on 8/6/2023 and 8/15/2023. After the last tow, I told them to leave the car in their lot . What a nightmare POS ! I since got a Toyota with ZERO issues.
I think its personal choice. Just like apple and android! Some hate sime live! I juts got my iD4 and love it. First off, I would never the 1st year model. I wait a few years and buy. We still have our BMW i3 and its awesome.
I also drive a '21 ID.4, 30k miles in. I had a few quality issues, and some issues that could have been HW or SW. I was also patiently waiting for the SW update, and since about a month I am on 3.1 (only took 9 days or so in the shop to get the update!). Since then my issues are gone (so, they were apparently SW).
I was warned that my update (about a month ago) would take several days, so I was very surprised when I dropped the car off the previous evening and they called me at lunch the next day to tell me that car was ready. So far so good. I did get a spurious message about an electrical problem. But otherwise solid.
it all depends on the extras you have ordered cause different control units or set of control units causes a lot of trouble where the dealers had to learn on customer cars what it takes to fix them.
sometimes they had to do it multiple times which means updating each and every control unit, not only a few , every single one.
And if something goes wrong they try over and over again till they learned how to partially update those units where the update had not worked out.
Finally: some cars had different issues and needed 1 or even more new control units which might take longer cause they needed - after several attempts to fix it - the spare part first to start again.
Therefore you find customers that got their car in the evening and other days later which means usually 1 to 10 days.
All was well known if someone checked the german face book groups and other forums.
Each and every fault was well known he had mentioned in the video and really astonishing to see that he even did not know the 12V battery charging issue. Which was totally easy to fix if you know about more how the issue was caused not really by the battery, but bby the energymeter cause the battery is not measured by voltage but by counting what goes into the battery and what goes out. If that drifts away everything goes wrong.
To fix it there is a simple routine: charge the battery fully - connect it in the car - go into the obd dongle software and change the serial number there
Do not think I am fooling you cause we all know that batteries have no serial number or communication lines, right ?!
So: it works this way cause once you put any different serial number in the car sets the columbmeter or energymeter that tracks this battery back to full based on the capacity the battery has so maybe 80 Ah which means 960 Wh.
And then the cars tracks the battery state by measuring what goes out of the battery and what goes in ... but from the right fully charged point that has not drifted away over time
Does any average mechanic know about that?
He should but they do not cause they do not really believe the stuff they are told to do and to learn.
So by replacing the current battery serial with a new one you tell the car the 12v battery is fully charged and then everything is fine cause it then know when to recharge that from the main battery.
Be aware of it and you have a lot less issues easy to fix by yourself or any garage that has at least a medioce mechanic. The roots of these issues are well known and date back to the introduction of start stop automatics where they wanted to make sure not to turn off the car at a red light when the car would not turn on again. That is impossible with 12 V lead acid and measuring only the Voltage, that needed a lot more and hence the energymonitor came in 10 years ago and suddenly caused here in the ID family new issues.
i love my ID Buzz no software issues must be your phones
What a dumb comment. Did you not pay attention to anything I said in the video?
I owned a 2019 Volkswagen E-golf. Absolutely no issues synching with my phone, no mechanical or software problem. The best part, no battery degradation. I charge my e-golf to 90-95% on a Supercharger and even charge it to full on my home charger. The only issue with the e-golf is the range. Otherwise, it is even better than a Model 3.
dude, just stop yourself. e-golf is known to be one of the worst EVs out there, and doesnt even get close to a model 3. You don't wanna be embarrassed about your purchase and try to justify it, but you're not fooling anyone with a smidge of common sense.
They basically couldnt sell em to anyone but ultra brand loyal people, which is why you never see them anywhere.
Every single battery has degradation, especially when charged to such high soc.
I’m happy I read these comments. I’m about to buy a used 23 and almost didn’t. Now I will. I love VW
Here in the uk right now you can’t even give away an EV. The values have gone through the floor.
Vw have paid off 1500 workers and cut back on EV production.
I don’t have any of these problems with my VW Golf 1600 diesel estate.
Knob the Review its not about a VW ?
Driving the EV6 AWD since 12/2022 as one of the first owners in Austria. Now driven 31.000km and absolutely happy with the car.
Wow. You went from Tesla to VW. Nobody ever accused you of being the sharpest tool in the shed, did they?
I got the id4. Nice car, runs well, infotainment works great. Just learn the car and you will love it. Don't listen to everything these people say. Go to a dealer, try it, ask actual owners about everything on the car.
Best car I’ve ever owned
I’m happy with my Id4 2023 Pro S. Absolutely zero issues. Love it!
I have an new ID4 for 6 months now, and I had NEVER any of your problems. We use multiple phones, no heating issues at all. Never any problem with screens, nor software. It's a pleasure to drive in this car compared to a Tesla. I think the problem is not the car in this video. 😅
As for any other daily driver, reliability is key
...and yet many cliché BS comments on the internet about "Alfa Romeo" reliability, meanwhile Alfa SMOKES the Germans in reliability...check out 2023 J D Power initial reliability survey...
FORZA ALFA BABY !!!!
THE KING IS BACK !!!!
Just about everything that you mentioned is why I am sticking with my 12 year old Lexus. Old school everything,no messing about with phones and apps. Just don't need the annoyance.
You don’t know what you’re missing. Next time get a Tesla. Go test drive a Tesla model S and compare that with your Lexus.
@@Chainyanker007 I drove my cousin's Tesla ,model s. Was underwhelming.Reminded me of playing playstation.
@@peterobertson2086 -Doesn’t sound like you drove it like a hot rodder. The acceleration is phenomenal., the features are great once you drive it for awhile. Bet your cousin loves it unless she’s a little old lady.
So if I understand correctly, a car is judged in terms of software and no longer in terms of driving characteristics. I really thought that a car was primarily intended for transport.
I have id4 prime 2023 already drove it 26000 km with no problems and its my 3rd EV i had before Xpeng G3 2019 it was good also and Tesla 3 2021. ID4 is my favorite I plan to change it next year but i can’t find better (in my opinion)its a great SUV … disagree with this video
I forget to say its made in china.
Alex , I have to say thanks to you , I just got my first ev (Chevy bolt ev 2023). I have to learn not to step on the gas peddle to hard unlike a gas car this thing picks up so fast 😂. I love how this thing gives me 278 miles on a 80% full charge even though epa range is 259. One thing iam not a fan of is the the brake and signal lights are on the rear bumper instead of the tale light act like day time driving light always on . So iam more carefull when braking or signaling . Maybe while you are here you could rent a Chevy bolt ev or Euv. Anyways good luck with your travels .
Did you see that they discontinued the Bolt!
Is it 247 miles for 100% and you get more for 80% charged?
@@jasonquito9156 I gotten max of 288 miles charging up to 80% .
EPA range. Given is 259 miles . I assume that’s for a 80%.
@Dushan Desilva epa is base on 100% charged.
I have a 2021 ID4 as well and have experienced a lot of the problems mentioned in the video. Still to this day there hasn't been any OTA update. Have to submit the car to VW every time and it takes a week (!) for VW to install the new software. Unbelievable... The ID4 software is terrible, laggy and not user friendly. For example: It often needs to "load" the ventilation settings (!). Also have a Tesla Model 3 and everything just works and with lightning fast interface. Tesla sends out several OTA updates a month and just one click on your phone and it instantly installs by itself.
I did the same with my id3 after 2 years and 60k km. I was so unhappy on so many things that I wanted just return it. now ai drive a renault megane electric and I am satisfied on many levels from the aesthetics to the drive range
any issues with charging, Zoe was very fussy I hear
The only thing I heard ~bad is slow charging speed. Is that true? If one changes at home it does not matter, but during road trips it does.
The fact that you liked Houston TX more than Austin says everything I need to know. 🎉
I received an AWD 2021 Id4 in December of 2021 and love the car. I've had none of the problems that plagued your car and have done a number of road trips using EA with no problems. It's too bad you didn't get my car and you could have had more positive remarks.
Interesting that his description of Apple Autoplay issues are exactly like my experience with my 2016 Tiguan.
@@dalerogers1134 My android auto doesn't have any problems. My phones were a Motorola and a Samsung.
I have Dec 2021 ID4 and no issues at all. Never plan to get software upgrade due to it appears this likely a major issue with future problems but no significant improvement in using the vehicle. I bought a second ID 4 in Nov 2023 and wife loves it. No issues with either.
No wonder the future isn't so electrifying for the electric cars. I have no love for them. Viva, ICE cars, viva!
Your ID.4 enthusiasm almost had me buy one for my wife. Glad she decided to keep my 2018 Volt instead. It has been rock-solid reliable. but why is she driving my car? Well, I went full early adopter and bought a Lucid a year ago. Lots of software bugs that disappeared with one OTA after another. Then the OTAs started adding new features. It has been such a joy owning and driving this car. Maybe they will even have it in Thailand soon.
Have fun in your new home. Good luck with the channel.
Yeah the Volts where great products from GM.
I also recommend the chevy volt. I own the 2023 id 4 and have no issues. It's a great car.
I sold my 2017 Volt for 15k and used a 2021 ID4 Pro S AWD for 21k after $4k ev credit. That's only $6k difference. My Volt had so many issues with Android Auto and disconnections with audio. It happens so often and disrupts my driving. I have no problems with my ID4. My wife loves it.
What???? I LOVE our 2021 ID4! Taking it to HH next week! Family trip!!!
I have a 2022 Pro S and I’ve had all the same problems as you Alex. I’ve had my car in the shop three times in May alone. I had to open a lemon law case because VW didn’t want to willingly take this car back. My case should be closed by mid-July. I can’t wait to be done with this car.
Damn what a contrast towards my Tesla. I took it, have driven 20K kilometers literally zero issues. Nothing. I never had a car that had this little issues. My Collegue has a Skoda Enyaq which is actually an ID4 under the hood and also had many problems.
So my boss in the UK, has an ID4, and is having exactly the same issues, his ID4 died, and they had to replace the entire 12v system, and a software update, which took a couple of days
You saved me from the ID4 trap a year ago.... THANK YOU..
Houston, Texas downtown skyline at 13:40. Note the stairstep of the Pennzoil Building at left and the "Mayan Temple" that tops the diamond pattern of the Texaco Building at center. Definitely not Austin, Texas.
Thank you for this in-depth video. The id.4 was my #2 choice for my first EV. So glad I bought the Ford Mach-e instead. No, I don't get as much free public charging, but I have had ZERO issues and truly enjoy driving it, even after eight months and 15,000 miles. Hope your move to Thailand goes well. I'm planning on remaining here in California for the time being.
Ford, KIA, Hyundai, and Tesla are the only EVs worth a damn.
@@Nessal83 There are some pretty good to very good indeed BEV from China hitting UK/Europe as I type or soon. OK, they're not in the USA yet, but Alex will be able to report on them from Thailand. Perhaps he'll bump in to Bjorn Nyland when he makes one of his trips to Thailand to see family.
Like your blog. I recently sprung for 1917 Leaf and am happy as a clam. 12K$ charge at home and just putt around town (San Jose Ca.) Loved my 9 months in Bangkok (US military 1965). Keep up the good work.
As for the tire pressure issue. I have a PoleStar 2 (love it). Anyway, I was driving one day and ran over something that caused my tire to rapidly deflate and fail. I brought it in to a tire center to get a replacement. When discussing the tire I asked about the tire pressure monitor. They explained that are 2 methods. One to to measure tire pressure. Its more expensive than method 2. Method 2 is to count rotations and use it to determine if you are going faster or slower than you would if the tire was at optimal pressure. These systems will tell you to wait until the tires are warm before reporting. The ID4 may use method 2 and as a result the system doesn't know which tire has too low/high pressure.
I was thinking about the same type of measung. Cheap cars have that kind of "sensors" (I think it is actually more related to ABS than a tyre pressure).
Honda uses "method 2" as you mentioned. The pro is that you don't need to buy/replace those sensors to go with the wheels, having to buy another set for summer/winter tires, and then uploading the sensor IDs after swapping tires. The con is - as you said - estimating, and not actually measuring the pressure.
@@rgl168 The other con is the sensors are not tough enough to survive some tyre fitters.
@@51StPi They also have onboard permanent batteries. Once the batteries get low and eventually die, the only remedy is to replace the sensor.
These systems are stupid. I want to know the actual tire pressure. I couldn't believe my son's brand new Honda Civic doesn't have actual TPMS pressure sensors.
The issue with the earlier models is not about the software, but the hardware. The pre late-2022 models have a c06 CPU, when the newer models have a c08 CPU that has almost no issues at all on the latest versions of the software. Tbf, issues described in the video are kind of typical for any brand new vehicle, not just the EV.
Yes - the ‘23 is much improved on all these issues. VW is still dragging their feet on the ota updates though. If/when that happens there should be even more refinements and features which they’ve been bragging about for a year but still haven’t unlocked them.
I had an ID.4, worst car ever, got a Polestar 2, have had 3 OTA since buying it last year...with substantial enhancements every time...a night and difference from the train wreck that is VW software,
I drive a ‘20 Tesla model S, I get an OTA update every 4-5 weeks without fail. Around the holidays it is every 2-3 weeks.
@@Chainyanker007 So 10 year with 40 updates each year which means over 400 updates and car STILL has many software issue, must be record.
@@mr.wizeguy8995 - Read more carefully, update every 4-5 weeks more often around the holidays so about 10-12 a year. Mt MS is 3.5 yr old. The free OTA updates add new functionality, nice cosmetic feature or in some cases add to the Toybox, once in a while there will be one that is for minor software fixes. The car is definitely more capable now then when I first got it. Example: added a feature where it chimes once when the light turns green and the car in front moves and you don’t, you can turn it off. A feature that detects large potholes and will instantly lift the car, mine has air suspension, or leaves it riding higher if the road is full of potholes. When I first got it the range was 370 miles, an update 3 months later raised it to 392, then another 3-4 months it went to 402, all thru improvements to the BMS software. Bet your car doesn’t get better with time.
@@Chainyanker007 I multiply once too much in my head but still over 40 updates at least.
If range is increased by software it has been most likely limited in first place and giving fake impression that car became better.
If you haven't notice that Tesla main goal has been from start make car as cheap as possible and price was as high as possible.
Now they had to lower price because many people are more interest quality than cheap looking expensive car.
I have the phone overheating issue. But everything else works fine. software version 3.2. The app is very barebone even compared to Kia but it seems to work now. Theres only 3 Functions basically monitor charging, start ac/heating, send a route to the car GPS. Thats it.
Volvo C40 with android auto has been near flawless for the last 14 months of ownership. Software issues like mapping were updated over the air about six months later. This is why I’m considering the new EX 90.
Because Volvo is the technology and platform resources of Geely's sub-brand of new energy electric vehicle brand Polar Krypton
For all ID's prior to 2023 there is a huge software update that takes two to three days and also replacement of the 12volt battery. It doesn't solve everything just some know issues. These cars are bound to have huge issues in the near future because VW software development teams don't do their job right.
So sorry about your ID 4. experience. I guess I got an anti-lemon. My ID4. has been flawless and a joy to drive. 2 years in and going strong!
I have 50,000 miles on my 2021 RWD ID4. I am in Montana, so you could say we get winter here. I have had no issues. Maybe I'm just lucky.
Alex, got to be one of your best video’s so far. Great I depth overall explanation of the relevant issues and problems you’ve experienced with both your ID.4 and VW customer service (or lack thereof). 👍🏻
Same with Tesla, to many quality issues. I been in service for 8 time in one year. It’s frustrating and not what you paid for. But at least there software works. I am 2021 Model 3 owner. Car is from Fremont, wish I got a car from China!
I am a first adopter of FORD EV's (lightning) honestly Ford has been amazing, I had the tail light issue and ford corporate was all over it. They also gave me warranty extensions and even offered to cover my gas bill on my other car. The truck is amazing. My buddy bought one and had an accident first day he had it, tail light took about 2 weeks to get. His was one of the first delivered units.
I needed a truck and this truck does everything I need and it has not disappointed. VW dropped the ball for sure.
Ford has their issues too. The Mach-E stalling because of battery issues, the Lightning stopping production because one caught on fire.. the ID.4 is good, all first year cars have some issues for some people.
as a vw owner, employee for nearly 40 yrs now, I am disappointed that they don't get back to. Thier origins. A reliable inexpensive peoples car.
I’m in the process of selecting my first EV, and found this video by chance. So glad I saw this.
Just yesterday we bought a fully loaded ‘23. I never go with the first year of a car that’s the opportunity to see what’s going on with them (good/bad). We traded in our Kia Sorento cause gas is way too expensive in California and my wife only does City we spent over $300 in gas last month and barely put on 500 miles on the car.
So we love the ID4 it of course takes some getting used to, something I’m not thrilled about but it drives beautifully and it super quiet even on the highway.
No folding mirrors, no end call button for calls, low end quality back up cam. But that’s all I have to zonk it for. We love it. Sometimes you get bad lemons
There are auto folding mirrors.
I drove an ID.4 when i was shopping cars and found it a pleasant enough vehicle. It was actually on my list before i ultimately went with a second Mustang Mach-E. It's too bad about the software issues they had in MY 1 and I'm glad they seen to have sorted that out. Still, as other posters have observed, buying any car in its first year of production is always a bit of a crapshoot. Good luck with your future plans, both with EVs and just with your life in general. I look forward to hearing from you on both fronts.
**Angry Mustang fanboy noises**
I'd say that it's getting worse and worse when it comes to first-time adopters. Systems are much more complex than they were years ago and fine tuning seems to take place after the product is released instead of before.
@@michalsvihla1403 As cars become more dependent on software, auto manufacturers become more like software developers: ship it after an insufficient beta period and fix the remaining bugs by patching after release.
I bought a Skoda Enyaq 80X, sister model of VW ID-4. Software ME 3.1, it is good! There are thing in the software I would like them to improve, but it do not have any of the problems shown in the video here.
Have had a Model Y LR for 8 months now and not one issue. The only service appointment we made was to have someone install the roof rack we bought and they came to the house and installed it for free as well as checked the tire inflation.
Just like being an early adopter with the ID 4 being an early adopter with the Model S put you in a spot to see the worst side of Tesla.
I think you need to get a Model 3 and find out all you issues with Tesla are historical. Not that Tesla or the Model 3 are perfect but they do not have any of the software issues you described with the ID4.
No Tesla fanboy ever has any problems with their Tesla. They all can go like 1 000 000 miles without charging despite pulling 3 caravans in a snowstorm. It is soooo cheap and never need any service. That is the story every single time. Problem is no one believes you, just look at the panel gaps or fogged up lights and anyone can see that Teslas quality is shit poor. And this youtube channel had a bunch of problems that made him change brand. Do you really think Tesla worked out a complete trashcan to be a huge success now? No, of course not. They still suck.
Exactly
Bought 2021 used id4 pro s awd a few months ago. None of your problems I have.
Alex, it's not just the ID4, as you probably know. I have the ID3 P-Pro that isn't a 1st edition, but was built soon afterwards and, although it is a very much more sprightly car than your ID4, it has similar software faults, although you've had a particularly poor one, I think. Everything you've mentioned, bar the entire breakdowns, I've had. Voice Commands totally suck still. OTA updates don't happen. The last one I had was when there was a 12V battery recall. I had V2.3 then, and guess what? I still have V2.3 because the service dealer feared he might brick the car. Oh, and both headlights fogged up [condensation inside - seals gone]. So what did they do? They said to leave it for a while. And of course the warmer weather came along and the issue went away, as I knew it would when he suggested it [I ain't stupid buddy, or maybe I am for having this car]. Of course the problem is still there, just waiting for next winter. But the lease is up at the end of March 2024. That said, my ID3 P-Pro is a nice, comfy, very nippy [OK not Tesla nippy] good car. But it's spoiled every trip when I have to interact with its software. And really it's only made bearable by Android Auto, which shouldn't have to be the case. Finally, the phone App has gone from "this totally stinks" to "there's an odd unpleasant aroma around here" when I use it. That's probably the biggest improvement from the car overall in 2+ years.
I had a 2014 egolf for many years. It worked flawlessly, even software. Now i drive a tesla, which never had a issue so far, but i sometimes miss the nice vag car. My next ev car will probably be a KGM. We also own a Aixam electric vehicle. Thats a interesting moped car.
Alex, you seem to have a pattern in your relationships, cars, countries, ladies, ..., stay and fight!
With all these digital features going on there are so many things that can fail. With tactile buttons and analogue features it's much simpler. It just works and if it don't it's easy to detect the error and fix it. I don't even like to constantly having to press or tap a screen. I prefer the haptic response of tactile buttons, knobs and switches. Always done, always will.
I had a 2016 and 2019 e-Golf and loved them. Super reliable, but Car-Net sucked then too. I knew when I checked out the ID.4 that it would have a ton of issues when they went the super tech route. Sorry to hear you had such problems, but hopefully they're much better now.
I saw some statistics about ev's and the golf was one of the better ev's. The same could not be said about the id3 and id4 in the same stats :/ edit: in terms of issues of the car.
Have had a Model 3 for just over 3 years now, 0 issues. Most issues with Tesla's were their first few years of Model S (minor AND major issues) and 1st gen Model 3 (minor issues). Also for the price, ID.4 costs ~17k more than a Model 3, so it's a no-brainer to get the Model 3.
Honest assessments!!! A rarity on TH-cam EV channels.
Why VW banned me
I don't blame them. Your style here was a bit immature and over the top on the negativity! Sure it had problems, no denying it, but giving it the bird!? I realize I'm a bit hipocritical because I feel similarly negative about Tesla right now, but at least I'm not an influencer on TH-cam. If I was I would probably try to tone the negativity down, or at least not expect their CEO to accommodate me with special access. Be realistic dude!
@@wonderboy75 As EV market matures
reliability & affordability will prevail. By 2027 EV subcompacts will be available for $18K
I'm a Canadian Id4 owner and my car has been bought and serviced at Bramgate VW . The car has been with them since April 22nd, that over 3 months and counting. They said the part will come on July 13 which changed to July 31st which now changed to we have no idea when the part will come or even if it will ever come. At this point I doubt I will ever see the car again. All I get is sorry its too bad.
Thanks for sharing your story with the VW ID.4. I’ve been driving EV’s since 2011, 2 Leafs and 2 Bolts. Just turned in the 2020 Bolt this weekend and replaced it with a Kia EV6 GT-line AWD. Really enjoying the many new features and more comfortable ride so far. Good luck in Thailand!
How is the software experience in the ev6?
@@FM-pi9mj so far so good. Even got an over the air update four days after I got the car. Just minor updates to infotainment and navigation screens.
What a beautiful car, best of luck with it. From an Ionic 5 owner, another great EV, but GT Line is just so gorgeous.
First, what made your phone heat up? Was it simply being connected to the wireless app-connect or CarPlay? Or was it when you used the wireless charger? Because every vehicle wireless charger I’ve ever used appears to cook my phone, so I plug it in. And I’ve never had a car with tire pressure monitoring that indicated anything other than there’s an issue. I always take my pressure gauge to the tire in question and check it, and honestly, I’ve never had a vehicle where the tire had too much air. How would that even happen?
Im looking forward to the id2 and hope that the new software wont be so bad. I REALLY love the look of that car!
Interesting, I live in China and am considering an ID6 Crozz. Chinese forums suggest that the software bugs are mostly fixed with a recent update. However this is China, so no Android Auto here (no Google), and I guess the engineers are actually Chinese, which would explain most of the issues you encountered. They have Carplay and Baidu Carlife here. 204HP is a bummer alright but as a family hauler it's ok. 8 year warranty on power train is nothing to sneer at, and it's transferable to the next owner (only Tesla and Xpeng have this), with a subjectively nicer and larger interior than Tesla MY and a crazy discount as they don't sell well. Unfortunately it uses a ternary lithium ion battery, all the more reason to have that warranty.
Very clickbaitey title and thumbnail, you act like the main reason you sold the car was because it “sucked” but a big reason of it is because you’re moving to Thailand. Which you didn’t mention until half way through the video, that feels disingenuous to me.
A lot of this video seems like an overreaction too. The Android Auto rant that takes up too much time than it should. Android Auto sucks, I’ve had connection issues with multiple cars and phones. You having what looks like an old Google Pixel doesn’t help either, those are known for having glitchy and faulty hardware and software. Your phone overheating is not going to be ONLY the cars fault. Every car I’ve used with CarPlay works as it should while I’ve had so many issues with Android Auto. It’s not really a safety issue either, you shouldn’t be trying to fix Android Auto while driving you should pull over always.
You spend so much time complaining about small issues like the Android Auto and dont really talk about the actual issues like the 12v issues causing the car to brick. The 12v issues were also to be addressed in the recall update to 2021 models you had right before you sold it so they should not happen anymore.
I appreciate you saying the 2022 and 2023s are better, because they are. I have one and I love love love it. No issues at all and it’s comfortable with great range charging and price.
Not saying these issues are ok but if you’re buying a brand new year one car model with a completely new powertrain there’s most likely to be issues. Even a year one car from a company that’s known for being reliable like Toyota can have major issues. You should avoid first year cars if you don’t want issues. 2022 and 2023 ID.4s do not have many issues.
Android Auto is the reason I finally switched to an iPhone.
In -21 I had Model 3, sold it and bought ID4 with massage and all possible equipment. Had it two months and sold it.
Bought Model Y and was happy again. Still have it and still happy!
Some people have the worst luck with any car they own. I think that is you! 115k miles on my ID.4 1st and no issues. The OTA update took forever, completely agree there. TPMS, learn how to use a tire pressure gauge. An ABS TPMS will never respond to tire pressure changes until you drive it. I mean, come on, as a car reviewer, you should know cars better. Audio issues, whenever you use a voice command with the phone it defaults to "voice control", you have to hit the infotainment power button or volume slider with two fingers to go back to music audio. It is a PITA but manageable.
I have an ID.4. It's an exceptionally good car. I agree that the window operation is lacking...but that's about it.
0 issues with my Model Y after 1 year, amazing car, I think Tesla has ironed out most of the early model problems.
No Tesla fanboy ever has any problems with their Tesla. They all can go like 1 000 000 miles without charging despite pulling 3 caravans in a snowstorm. It is soooo cheap and never need any service. That is the story every single time. Problem is no one believes you, just look at the panel gaps or fogged up lights and anyone can see that Teslas quality is shit poor. And this youtube channel had a bunch of problems that made him change brand. Do you really think Tesla worked out a complete trashcan to be a huge success now? No, of course not. They still suck.
On 19th of September 2024 VW issued a "stop sell" on the ID4 to their USA dealer network (Kelly blue book) due to outstanding issues including the car doors unlocking without warning. So what does that tell you ?
I love my ID4, great car. Has its quirks but it works great for my needs!
23 ID.4 3.1.0 owner here. I've experienced several software issues but nothing too serious. The climate control system is probably my biggest complaint. It almost always turns the AC on every time I get in and drive somewhere. It was cold recently and my wife switched on the heater, AC turned on 3 times during her drive. This is using classic climate.
We also had issues with the windows rolling down when we wanted to roll them up, had to calibrate the windows which was simple enough.
Android auto is a bit of a joke. Wireless AA was useless, it was so laggy to navigate so we just turned off the hotspot and use a cable. It's still slow to connect with the cable but at least AA isn't as laggy. The phone still gets hot while connected.
The seats don't always go back to my programmed position, I also can't just press the seat position button to move the seat, it needs to be held? And I get a popup to apply the seat changes to my profile almost every drive, even when nothing has changed.
I've heard 3.2.0 will be a bugfix release, hoping we get it as an OTA soon but I'm not holding my breath.
I'd still recommend a 23 even with the issues I've experienced.
Alex, I have been following your channel for a few years. After buying a model 3 in 2021, we decided to buy another EV. Being a Tesla owner, the 2nd EV was not going to be a Tesla. Living in California made it a challenge to buy an EV at a reasonable price. Before deciding on EVs I tried buying a Toyota RAV4 prime prime for a few years but could never find one that wasn't marked up $10K over the MSRP. I ended up ordering a Subaru, VW and Nissan EV. With the ID4 coming out of Tennessee, it was the lowest cost with the tax break. The Subaru was too much like a Toyota EV with its low range and high price. Nissan did not communicate with me during the one year wait. After seeing your reviews on the ID4 and finding out VW removed the heat pump as well getting cheap on parts, I cancelled my order the week the car came in. Cancelled the Subaru EV too. Nissan the company sucked but the Ariya was pretty nice. The software sucks but the car drives like nice car and not the rollercoaster M3 ride. Your videos were very helpful in my decision in ending up with the Nissan Ariya.
I've been to Thailand a few times and love the people and its culture. Good luck to you on the next chapter in your life and channel!!!
I wish you always 20% battery reserve when visiting a EA charger.
The Nissan Ariya looks nice. Nissans ICE cars they say are not as reliable as Toy & Honda yet my family has 2012 Altima and 2016 Rogue. So far so good, but we put very few miles on each car. The selling point for me with Nissan ICE cars was the much cheaper price the Nissans were, whether used or new. What made you decide on a Nissan Ariya over the Tesla model Y ???
@@sevencostanza3931 Our other EV is a model 3 and had to bring it in for service. The service department was so so and will only get worst as they sell more cars. Like their supercharger station, there's not enough service station so repairs can take time. The Y is just a bigger version of the 3 but with more power. I missed comfortable seats and headliner grab handles for my mother in law to get in and out of the car. The interior of the Ariya is way nicer and the heads up display is great. The tesla screen, charging speed and navigation is way better than nissan. But I am happy with the Ariya and enjoy taking it out a leisurely drive every once in a while.
Influencers are destroying the automotive industry
Thanks for delivering your reasonably objective assessment of the ID.4 EV. You were constructive and sited evidence that puts truth on the table, critical for consumers laying big money out for high tech transportation. I'm hopeful VW is responding to real customer experiences and feedback.
I have had my ID4 for less than a month and it is back in the shop for a third time. I had a LOUD bang while driving. The next day, the radio started turning itself up and when I tried to turn it down, it turned itself back up again; the seat warmer turned itself on; the auto stop got stuck; the intermittent wipers won't work; the electric plug in has locked up on me three times, the screen has just gone blank as in the video. It has been a nightmare and I want to take it back as I'm actually afraid to drive it now.
You have been more than fair with VW. Good luck with your move and I'm sticking with Tesla.
That factory is already built and operating. That tire light just means the pressure is off, not hi/low.
Thanks for sharing you experience and insight! Really informative! I'm in the market to say goodbye to my Tesla Model 3 for something larger. I was considering an ID4, but last thing I want to take on are software glitches, especially while driving. Very unfortunate that VW isn't pushing software updates to older vehicles (or if it's hardware related, offering some kind of retrofit option)
Alex has found that the owners of later editions ID.4, aren't experiencing the early adopter issues.
So a new one may be your bet. 👍
Why no model Y?
@@kronosaurelius Not in Thailand, it'd be taxed to buggery & too large.
@@dax0474 if you're pretending to be stupid, you're doing an amazing job.
FFS, HE DOES NOT LIKE THE MODEL Y.
@@CNile-se9xw maybe a new model 3 then?
Tesla Model 3 owner here. Had mine for 2.5years and had almost zero issues with it. Best car I have owned.
My next car is def gonna be a Tesla. Although, I do have 2 Cybertrucks on order. Not sure if I will get them or not. PS. Would love a Tesla sporty compact 2dr coupe. Would love a mini Cybertruck 2 dr kinda like Delorean style. .... a guy can dream. 🙂