VW Id.3 vs Hyundai Kona Facelift - Comparison and Acceleration
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Thank you for another clear, concise and informative video, helping me decide what car to get
Great review...Thank you!
We have had our 2023 Kona Ultimate EV (first EV) for 10 days now and have put 1800km's on it. We love it! Back seat room sucks but there is just my wife and I and neither one of us is riding back there. This car puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.
The VW ID was on our radar but impossible to get in Canada...plus I am not a fan of too much touch screen stuff so the Kona wins there by being more like a regular car. Seating, ride and handling are superb - really happy with it.
Home charging is very economical, charging to 90% from 20% cost us about $4 (.08 cents a kwh between 7pm and 7am)...so running cost is about .01 cent per KM. Our Toyota RAV4 is about .16 cents per KM at current fuel costs here.
Anyway...great video and Thank you for it!
Mike 🇨🇦 🍁 👍
Thanks for another great video very useful information
This was so excactly what I needed, thank you!
Excellent content and perfectly acceptable production quality.
I obviously missed this video when you made it, but perhaps it was meant to be because I've just ordered a face-lift Kona (would you believe that the date for delivery is December or January!!!), so I've watched this at exactly the right time. Your videos are sooo different to all others and I think they're brilliant. You certainly picked up on several things that I missed (like the hard plastic on the door armrest - oh well, disappointing but I still agree with you that it's a great car).
I chose the Kona over other cars (iD3, Zoe) because it has adjustable lumbar support. I have back problems, so adjustable lumbar support is so important to me.
I was really looking forward to the release of the iD3 because I thought that the eGolf was such a good car. I was sure that the iD3 would set the benchmark for all future EVs, so I was a bit disappointed that some features of the Golf were missing from the iD3.
As I missed this video initially, I'm going to see if you've made one on the face-lift Kona exclusively. Keep up the great work.
" oooh e-Tron" "Squirrel". Live you passion and methodical analysis. I do wonder if anyone has done a video of other EVs, especially Teslas, about 1st year battery degradation with the hard testing use you put your ID.3 through?
Great video. Thanks 🙌
Good review. Upgrading from an Ioniq28 costing £20k. A £30k+ ev is just too expensive if you use finance. So a used Kona or id3 are similar price in £20-30k price bracket. Kona Premium SE will be different from rest of range. Would only get Premium SE for spec.
i know the ID3 got a lot of bad critic for the interior....mostly due to the choices of materials which is a fair point. However i must say, the interior does look very modern and cleaned up compared to the kona and most cars. I really like it.
The ID3 looks like really cheap plastic inside. For the price an absolute NoGo.
the design is ok, the touchscreen and the user interface in general is shit. also some hard plastic materials are very cheap. other than that it is a good car.
i would always go for the bigger battery. of course because of the range but also because of faster charging, better longevity and the value of the car.
at the second hand market this is also an important factor- in a few years
i would like skoda to make an id3 gtx. that would probably the right one for me
I'm fine with the interior materials in the id3 but the touch buttons on the steering wheel is a desk breaker for me. Won't buy one due to it.
The active cruise control on the id3 is amazing, car slows/speeds up just got to steer , it even knows the speed limit in road works
Not in our country, contant wrong speed limits from navigation data. Drops to 80km/h when the speet limit is 100 and so on
@@jkajolin we’ve only experienced wrong speed once,on a stretch of road that had road works with reduced speed and the car didn’t react to the reduced speed
The automstic speed in acc is very nice if it uses the right speed, but it has it wrong way to much in the Netherlands, even dangerous.
It’s just the same with the Kona, it also has adaptive cruise control and non adaptive control too as well as speed limit control. For me it was the Korean car as I wouldn’t buy VW after the dieselgate scandal. VW are still holding back in Europe on compensating those of us who bought so called clean Diesel engines.
@@wobby1516 as fas as I was aware the software fitted to VW in the uk wasn’t active
Great review, very objective, no hyperbole. Seems very little to choose between them, maybe depends on your brand association or loyalty. I like that the id3 you can simply jump in and go, and that the seating for a tall person (me) looks more accommodating. Thanks again great review,am sure you could have made it much longer (ie too long). Would be interested in your own 'scoring' of them n/10 for space, comfort,features, driving etc
Kona works for tall people (182 here) as well, front seats. The back is less comfy, especially for longer rides.
I like the Kona more 😊👍
Still waiting for OTA updates. Car apparently on v2.4 but software shows 2.3. I worry about quality if they can't even get a simple version number right.
Regretting buying Id.3. (Max). 4 weeks old and infotainment system has totally failed. VW have said 2 weeks to get a replacement control module. Is this a reliable vehicle.? Speedo said I was doing 24Mph when stationary. Not impressed by customer service at dealer, wouldn’t collect car, no courtesy car. Oh I miss my Volvo.
My lease on my current car (Ioniq) is ending soon so I'm looking for a replacement. Both the Kona and ID.3 are available to me and in my top 3 (the other being the Zoe). I'm leaning towards the Kona as for some bizarre reason VW has left the gear selector on the right hand side of the dash display for British cars. For the majority of drivers this isn't an issue, but it is for me because I'm disabled. However, with that being said I will be trying all 3 cars and see how I get along with them before making a decision.
I had the Kona and have to say it’s a brilliant car with fantastic range the “GOM” - Guess o Meter - is very accurate. We changed last year to the E Niro for the extra rear legroom and boot space. Yesterday the GOM with 100% charge stated 313 miles and it was accurate to within 2 mile. The Kona being smaller and lighter will go even further. Now the Hyundai Kona Electric is fitted with the same batteries as the Kia E Niro.
@@wobby1516 I like the e-niro as well but unfortunately it's not available to me through the leasing scheme. If it becomes available then it would be a very tough choice.
I have a Kona EV and it’s brilliant. Only thing I don’t like is that it is front wheel drive.
The kona is same size as a fiesta boot is very small
Excellent review, very helpful for people looking at EVs in this price range. Chris, can you also do a similar comparison between your ID3 and a Tesla M3 SR+, as that would also be more than welcomed? Many thanks for all the effort you put into this channel!
I would love to. Problem is that Tesla does not give out press cars. So I have to rent it, which is expensive or a viewer lends it to me. But so far no luck.
Thanks! So glad I got an ID.3 ;-)
However, I still haven’t figured out how to leave the air conditioning/ heating on when I leave the car 🙈
When you engage the parking brake and unbuckle your seatbelt and goodbye screen appears on the influence screen, select I think the option is called "immediate heating"
@@rj7855 Thanks a lot, I’ll try that one!
Just ordered a Kona to replace my 28 klw Ioniq (10 month wait). Good comparison vid, are you sure the handbrake does not come on in park, I assumed it would be the same as the Ioniq!
No. If you turn the car off it will come on though.
Great review, ID3 is newer model and is on my shortlist.
I looked at the Kona before buying our Zoe, we are now on our 2nd Zoe which according to Bjorn Nyland's banana box test has more room. Just check out the back seats in both, much more space in the Zoe & a bigger boot. We also have an ID3 and don't understand how you could possibly compare the two of them!
Zoe?? why???
@@tudormontescu6275 probably the best BEV on the market, that's why with the best battery management system.
Excellent comparison, very helpful. Thx!
Thanks for the comparison. Especially interesting for me as these were the 2 models I was most interested in. Just one question : with your experience, which car would drive best on snow? I live in Switzerland and often drive up mountains.
From all my years driving ICE cars, I had always been told traction FWD is better than propulsion RWD on snow. Is this still true with electric cars?
I think the Kona
Kona is very poor on tarmac and snow as well. My previous electric car, Bmw i3 rear wheel drive, is one of best electric cars on snowy conditions even going uphill.
Many thanks for your replies 🙂.
So in summary, with BEV, RWD is better at snow and accelerating (no skidding), and FWD is better at regen. And of course, best would be AWD but more $$$ and higher consumption.
Norway here; the ID.3 is crazy good in the winter, better than my old FWD Golf. As others have said, the FWD vs RWD in ICE is not the same with a BEV.
Needless to say, good winter tyres make the biggest difference in the snow. I run in Nokian Hakka R3 studless.
@@SeriouslyJaded if a Norwegian says RWD is good on snow with BEV, that's all the proof I need 😅. And I fully agree, good winter tires are important 👍
These two models were also the ones to choose from in October 2020 when I was about to purchase my next car. The conclusion then was that it's the choice between better electric efficiency, bullet proof technology (Kona) vs. excellent driving characteristics (steering, lack of torque steering, suspension), so much more leg room, quieter cabin, bigger trunk, "EV only" platform, not an ICE conversion (ID.3). The choice was very easy and I ended up to ID.3 :-) I probably could have lived with all the other things in Kona, but the steering and suspension are light year behind when compared to ID.3.
ID.3 💗
The hold button on remote is for starter
Just bought an id3 77kwh Tour..previous car was a 2018 Kona..much prefer the rear wheel drive of the Id3 and so much more room in the rear
Do you get the same range?
@@abraxastulammo9940 The Kona seems to be more efficient, so the 77kwh id3 offers a similar range to the 64kwh Kona
@@simonlloyd100 The Kona has a huge battery, almost 70 kwh. Much bigger than spec.
I think the id3 looks better with everything
I think for this price range the Kia Niro wins.
An interesting summary thank you! Having seen quite a few reviews of both the Kona and the ID3 I am surprised that no mention is ever made of a specific practicality - neither car can tow, but both can have an 'accessory hitch' fitted to allow use of a towbar mounted bike carrier. In addition, whilst the ID3 cannot have any roof load, the Kona is fitted with roof bars and has 80kg permitted roof load. For me this is important as, for example it would allow me to occasionally carry my kayaks which would be impossible with the ID3.
Another practicality issue doesn’t get mentioned: the Kona doesn’t handle the snow well, snow and uphill is a disastrous combination. The ID.3, being an electric RWD, is a much better choice if you live in a mountainous region with lots of snow. So, Eddie Sugar, you’re quite right, for your use case the Kona is the better choice. For mine, it’s the ID.3. Since Chris can’t cover every single use case out there, we’ll still have to make further inquiries in order to find a car that meets our needs ;-)
@@CaroAbebe In my driving experience I always felt front-wheel drive after four-wheel drive is better in the snow because the weight of the vehicle is mostly at the front on the driven wheels
@@Bawdale Is that an ICE_car experience? ICE cars have their engine n the front and so that weight is on the front axle. BEVs have their weight in the ground and often well balanced between front and rear. So the weight distribution doesn't matter that much.
@@CaroAbebe I drove through the mountainous highways in in British Columbia in ice, snow and slush in a Kona Electric. The Kona does quite well in ice and snow (with a good set of cooper winter tires) but it was a nightmare to drive in the slush, the car was basically driving slightly sideways the entire way up the hills and I had to do a lot of steering input to keep the car on the road, would have greatly appreciated dual motor/AWD in that circumstance.
Some Konas are certified to tow a trailer of 300 kg max total weight. We (in Denmark) have one of these and we have a small trailer for our garden waste (empty 67 kg). The Kona is from December 2020 and is not the faceliftet version.
For future reference the "thing what ever you call it" that lifts up when you open the boot (or trunk) lid, is "the parcel shelf" in English 👍
Thanks, but already forgotten
Great vid, thanks! I'm struggling with the price of the ID3/Kona vs the Enyaq. With the options I'd want, there's only a very small jump up to a much bigger car!
If you need a bigger car and are ok with less power, then Enyaq is cool.
@@BatteryLife That’s the problem, I don’t need a big car, I just want gadgets and value for money! 😅
Great comparison. Thanks. I would go for the ID 3 if i had to chose.
I would add that the charge speed is better for the ID.3 only for the version with the biggest battery. For the small battery the things are different.
45 kWh battery can also charge 100kW
@@BatteryLife It can charge 110 kW now.
Buy the Kona premium style and you get heated and climated leather seats AND soft door parts
Great review👍
Great review so which car did you think was the best ?
Didn't I mention it. Id.3 for me.
@@BatteryLife can I ask why and is there much to choose between them ?
Reason is I have Id3 on order but it’s a 5 month wait and I can get a Kona in a few weeks. So should I wait for Id3 or get Kona now ?
@@The-Salty-Bager thats the reason I am going to lease tomorrow a Kona and get it in November and not waiting 6 months
Hi Chris! The older version's left armrest is softer than the new one's. But it's not bad or good for me, because i never use it. My seat is the highest position, so i can't reach it. ;-) I'm curious what will your wife tell about the Kona. Is that possible that she will rag you for not buying the Kona instead the ID.3? :-D
Cindy hated the headrest, the rest was fine. We did not do a video. Car is already gone.
Agree with everything you have said. The ID3 is definitely slightly better to drive.
We currently have an ID3 Life Pro Performance, which we are now selling to get the Kona as its available on our car scheme so works out cheaper.
Out the two I prefer the ID3, it feels more upmarket and definitely handles better, plus I prefer the ID3's looks. But the Kona is a very close second hence why we are happy to compromise.
Impartial, love it.
The also id3 has smart regen in D mode and when eco assistance selected, slows down for junctions, roundabouts and car in front slows down
Also you can press the brake pedal for strong regen. The regen is equally strong as other EVs, but you must either press brake pedal or use eco assist to get full regen.
I have a Kona, how can you activate the manual/cruise control? I only get the adaptive one which cant be deactivated.
Activate cc, do not set the speed. Long press on distance button. It is in the manual too ;)
@@BatteryLife Ich werde es ausprobieren. Vor allem für die Stadt angenehmer.
@@BatteryLife Habe deine Anweisung befolgt, leider klappt es nicht. Habe die Geschwindigkeit eingestellt, dann so, dass er nicht aktiviert ist. Beim langen Drücken der Distanztaste passiert nichts... 😞 Hab das MJ21 wie du, daran kann es nicht liegen.
Hello Chris,
I have the Kona 2019, the armrest on the door is soft and also the central armrest.
I know. They changed it in the facelift version.
@@BatteryLife Unfortunately! ☹️
Really? Mine (2020) is hard as rock! Very bad!
@@brecherxp9795 Yes, 2019 is not hard as a rock. :-)
At 0:25 the dimensions are similar; ID.3 a bit longer and the Kona just 2mm taller. The interior space shows the advantage of a dedicated battery platform compared to a platform shared by ICE, HEV, PHEV & BEV.
So, Mr Battery Life, which car would you live with if you had to chose between the two?
I thought I answered that in the video. Id.3
The main problem of the ID.3 is, that it's a VW. After my Passat, with manipulated Diesel engine and all the trouble with it, I'm finished with those cheaters. The people forget to fast, that is the big luck for VW.
@timemachine_194 your completely right. I judge the people for what they do or did. An therefore Mr Diess sits in the same boat like Mr Winterkorn. VW only paid for their crimes because they had been sentenced to do so. They wouldn't have paid a penny, also under the reign of Diess, as an initiative from themselves. It's really sad to see what is the outcome of this multi billion dollar project. The interior of the ID.3 reminds me about my 90s plastic Revell Modells of ww2 ships. The screens are a utter joke. The functionality and the handling of the software is awful, not to speak about the until today unsolved bugs. VW is not able to deliver every single car with the latest software, so you can expect that every car has his own special bugs, wich is also a nightmare for the mechanics. The worst part for me is the energy consumption, it's way to high. Especially when it comes to a long range trip on the autobahn with a 140 kmh average, but also in the city, you will need at least 30% more than with the kona f. e. and that car was originally designed for petrol and diesel engines. I really had expected more from the BEVs from VW, but if even the Chinese are not willing to buy that German quality product, there a obviously some serious problems with it, because diesel gate was never a theme there.
The graphics are good way to present facts. Please leave the graphics on screen much longer to allow time to listen to what you are saying and consider the facts. 😎
That's why the pause button is great, you can compare data and move on when you're ready :)
I wish ignite red was a USA market color
Really struggling to choose between ID3 Family and Kona Premium. Kona has slightly longer range and better warranty. ID3 is a better drive and slightly roomier. Any advice?? Thanks!
What is more important to you? How long are you planing on keeping the car?
@@BatteryLife Probably 3-4 years. It needs to be comfortable and good to drive. I have a 7 year old son who will be 11 in 4 years, and we do some relatively long journeys a few times a year (150 - 600 km) with suitcases etc for a week away. I'm wondering how important the longer warranty is on an EV with relatively little mechanical to go wrong....?
@@salamanderpete What did you go for?
@@CryptoChangingTheWorld Kona. It's awesome. Never regretted it for a second in 9 months
@@salamanderpete interesting why not id3? Looks like it has more space. Me also have trips 500 km, wandering if Kona isn’t to small for a family of 3?
I decided I prefer the id3; which is a good job as I've already got one... seriously the reason for us was that you can (just) get a standard wheelchair in the VW boot with the seats in place - surprising how few cars you can in this size segment.
I have last years kona and it has padding on doors armrest not much but enough
A great video, it's even good if I don't consider the Kona, because it tells me something very useful about the ID3 -- or vice versa.
And in my mind I can compare it to other cars (especially (but optionally) when I know the difference of that other car to the Kona).
So it's a very helpful video!
ID3 of course better look but I’m not a fan of rear wheel drive especially if you’re in the snow. BTW I’ll go with Toyota BZX
Great review, it confirms to me that my purchase of the Id.3 was the right one.VW needs to tweak the software to improve the range a bit.
Looking at ID3 and KONA 2021 and Kia Niro - ID3 a lot cheaper to actually buy than Kona with deals - I lease cars and ID3 is cheaper by enough to make be go for ID3 - although winter range still making me worry about my choice.
What did you get?
Still waiting for a good break/estate model like Skoda Octavia. Once they make one I will switch to EV.
Are you sure Kona was in sport mode? Didn't look like the dials were red.
There are many tests kona going easily under 7 secs to 100kmh. 0-60 mph in 6,4 secs f.ex in sport mode. I think it wasn't in sport in this one.
Sportmode was on. Facelift instrument cluster does not have to change for sport mode anymore.
I time from pressing the pedal to 100 km/h gps. Not when the car is moving. Because I want the pedal delay in there. Some cars like the Ioniq 5 do not go right away when you floor it.
Björn also measured the Id.3 under 7 seconds. With draggy, no pedal lag in there though.
@@BatteryLife Oh, my facelift does, didn't know it was an option for cluster to not go red. But I have only had it a week and still finding new things out.
In your opinion is it worth paying the extra for the Pro Performance version of Life or Family? Thanks
Yes!
No comparison in usability. Love the Kona but the charging speed is now subpar. 72kw if you are lucky and in the goldilocks battery temp zone. More like 40-50kW. You're still waiting to get 200km range into the tank while you are already 15 minutes on the highway with the ID.4
You are right. But most people wont even see CCS charging, because the car makes 400 km trips without any recharging.
@@brecherxp9795 Only on long roadtrips, of course. I hardly see a DC charger in my Kona in normal, real life situations.
@@DjTonioRoffo so do I.
I just realized today that ID3 and Kona have very similar size, especially height, however one is a hatchback, while another is a crossover.
The ID.3 is a C segment car, the Kona is a B segment car ... the Kona is much smaller inside, you can't sit 3 people in the back seats,even for 2 adults is tight.
I would love to see the ID3 in the US someday.
Kona is more 6.9 s from 0-60,where did you get that 7.9
Not scientific. Maybe elevation. But a good comparison of the cars.
@@BatteryLife hmm, did you try to drive a Rear Wheel drive like a Tesla and ID3 in the mountains, when the roads get a little bit icy or sleepy, impossible
Probably the 36kwh version
👍👍!!
Maybe try them when fully charged with the hvac off? Car & Driver 0-60 on the new Kona was 6.4mph with Racelogic timing kit. What timing kit are you using? Bjorn Nyland got 6.8 0-100kph in the old kona in winter with the crap tires with Draggy beating all of the id3 range under the same conditions. Kona should 0-100kph with a number that starts with a 6.xx
I measure not when the car is moving. I measure when I press the pedal. If there is a lag between pedal and moving, it is in there
Fully charge has no difference in the Id.3
Also this is just done in one direction. It could go up or down. Just a comparison at the same spot. Not a scientific test.
Measure how? With what timing kit. Racelogic and Draggy are a standard for measurement. I don't get how one would discern pressing the pedal and moving, it must be in .00th of a second, again how are you taking these measurements?
@timemachine_194 All the 7.9s-100kph are probably all quoted directly from Hyundai's own literature which is well known to be woefully inaccurate as evidenced by this guys own findings lol. A bit like BMW, Audi and Merc who generally under promise and over deliver on performance figures.
7.6-100kph measured how? with what equipment and SOC?
Lighter version, explain please?
Pulled 177kw where on what dyno? All dynos read differently and EV's are notoriously difficult to dyno. Bjorn also tested the ID3's which presumably where all special "tuned" press cars and they where all slower than the Kona. You Can't have it both ways.
I know of no aftermarket tuners for Kona's for power gains or any other mass produced EV if that were the case all Tesla's would be 1000hp, even the guy from the Tesla Racing Channel can't and he races for money, happy to be proved wrong.
FYI. You can watch all of these for yourself on TH-cam and before you get carried away with thinking they are special press cars there really is no such thing anymore especially at this end of the market in fact if a press car has got 15,000k's, add another 0 because it's been ragged to death by jerno's.
Alex from YT channel Alex on Autos(Old Kona, crap tyres) claimed a 6.4-60mph TC on consistently and 6.2 TC off after some trail and error runs, he also said he felt it could be even quicker with better tyres. Although I confess I can't confirm method of measurement, I will assert he would be using a credible timing device.
PDriveTV. Racelogic Vbox Sports (Old Kona, crap tyres) 6.86-100kph
Car & Driver (World renowned media). Racelogic Vbox(New Kona) 6.4 0-60mph
Bjorn Nyland. Draggy(Old Kona, crap tyres) 6.8 0-100kph
Sorry guys I've nothing against the ID3 in fact I really like it and in the wet it would wipe the floor with the Kona without a doubt as the Kona handles like a boat but off the lights in the dry the Kona will leave an ID3. I'm waiting for the Cupra Born 236hp then it's game over Kona :)
I got a 6.5 s from 0-100 kmh
Der Kona ist um längen besser!
From several other reviews, Kona 64kw is more 6.5s/100
Downhill maybe 😉
@@BatteryLife wanna few links on other TH-camr vidéos ?
0 to 100 tests are very hard.
You have to do it in both ways. Avg time of both. Perfect traction and so on.
My test in this video is not accurate at all for time. But I could compare the 2 cars.
Other TH-camrs tested the Id.3 way faster.
Did i hear it right? In ID3 there is no need to take it out from park mode when leaving?
Get it, press brake, Put it in drive, parking brake disengages, go
@@BatteryLife Thanks! Good to know - probably in 2 weeks my ID3 will finally arrive and I'll have a chance to put in practice all I've seen so far from your channel and not only :)
In the Kona, the parking brakes also disengages automatically when selecting D or R.
Actually about every ev are this Way 😀
@@damiendumont2650 Noice! :)
Ranier Z. From Challenge4 Mannheim says hello from Lansing, Michigan, USA. Met him at Electrify America station in Lansing yesterday.
Cool. Haven't seen him for a year.
Thank you for the comparison. So acceleration is about 7.3 in the Kona and the Vw ID 3.
Kona is way faster than its data sheet. And my feeling is, Sport mode is even faster if you have warm tyres and absolutely dry roads. 7.0 should be possible then.
Would be interesting to see 60 to 100, 80 to 120 or 0 to 160..... or so...
Kona: Excellent range, very stable, sporty feel if wanted, fast, to small in the back seats, to small trunk, too loud tire noise.
Agree. Kona is way faster than the official figures, when the tyres stick in Summer.
@@martinwray7001 just throw away the stock tires they are crap with zero grip. they are for people going A - B nothing more.
@@_TrueDesire_ I'm on 47k happy Kona miles. Burnt through the stock tyres a while ago, but even the good ones spin up in less than optimal conditions.
@@martinwray7001 Bridgestone or Michelin? Another maker?
Torque steer is an issue...id3 better
Looking forward to your comparison of real world energy efficiency at 21:00. The energy efficiency of the Hyundai & Kia electric drive is impressive, especially in a steel body. It is disappointing that VW with vast resources and wider German electrical engineering history is not even more efficient.
SiC technology should have the potential to improve the drivetrain efficiency by 1 kWh per 100 km.
@timemachine_194 Sorry, youtube ate my comment with link as proof. Infineon indeed gives a 7 % ballpark figure as improvement due to the inverter part of the drivetrain (if we include it).
@timemachine_194 It is like Core2Duo needs less power than Pentium 4 to do the same kind of work: "power consumption in main inverter" is reduced from 1.6 kWh / 100 km to 0.6 (400 V) or 0.5 (800 V) in WLTP. I can't vouch for these numbers, just reciting the claims. 🤷
even if I'm biased towards the Hyundai due to the funky looks and better warranty the id.3 is better in every way possible (not to mention cheaper even if additional the optional extended warranty). Kona has the range but that's it.
The Kona is a strange one IMHO...the E Niro is always lauded for it's space, interior and efficiency. The Kona is built on the same platform, but the interior design and the space is just so much worse...
uum. the heating now stops in 30minutes ?
I don't get what you mean
What if my grocery shopping takes 1h, does climate stop after 30 min when you are out of the car?
@@abraxastulammo9940 you need to plan better then or just activate aircon via the app again after 30 minutes. through all the years i shop in 8-20 minutes i don't see the point wasting time in a grocery shop 😂
ID.3: Maybe not the most convenient solution, but you could use the app to air-condition the parking car.
They should upgrade climate control screen and the app with some options once the stationary air-condition was enabled.
I think you will find that the Kona was designed for both electric and ice variants from the beginning.
My golden rule is never to buy a BEV derived from an ICE.
For me it would be the id3 any day. The Kona is a really nice car that is very efficient and have a longer range, but for me it's the space and the interior, plus the looks.
I test drove both and brought suitcases to check luggage capacity. VW wins in every respect.
Oh my god this guy is from Passau
Why would a manufacturer VW ake a rear wheel drive car?
Had the Kona Electric found it a bit small now have the Kia E Nero much bigger, love it, ID 3 I felt was a bit small.
Your mistaken about not being able to leave the climate on when leaving the car, you can and here’s how
th-cam.com/video/fUq4QtV_QNU/w-d-xo.html
Putting in a pin code is good security! As for over the air updates, both Kona & Nero are now connected to the cellular network so updates over the air aren’t far away. I agree with you that rear wheel drive stops torque steer but front wheel drive can pull you out of a problem.
I just couldn't get over the bad interior quality in id3. Even the old eGolf had better interior.
Unless you hug your dashboard a lot the interior of the ID3 is just fine; modern and clean.
@@rj7855 I agree, it's modern and clean but done with a cheap plastic from cars half the price.
@timemachine_194 Let's hope they will improve the materials because at the moment vw polo has better quality interior and it's about half the price of id3.
@@LauriLaipio While waiting for delivery of my ID.3 the dealer gave me a new polo for 3 weeks, it's in no way better (and neither is the latest model Seat Ibiza the dealer me the last 2 weeks)
@@rj7855 Well I guess we have to agree to disagree on that one 🙂
audi RS 6 !!!!!
Honestly I hated the ID3 :/
You can
0:37 Where can I see the turning circle data for Kona? ADAC measured 11.2 m
Edit: Ok, you only got it from EV database, not a primary source.
Don’t understand why the Kona is always the Hyundai/ Kia vehicle they use for comparisons. The Kia Nero EV is almost the same exact power train in a slightly more roomy package. Much more rear seat room, nicer interior, still has optional heat pump for cold weather regions.
I compared the eNiro with the Id.3 as well ;)
price difference
ID3 = Car with 200HP and rear drum brakes. Ouch. Also the software is a pain in the rear, the Hyundai globally is a superior car.
Here is how to keep the climate on and lock the Kona in utility mode. th-cam.com/video/h7B9XLd0ZQo/w-d-xo.html
Facelift does not have utility mode anymore. And it is a hassle.
@@BatteryLife That's not true. Facelift Kona still has the Utility Mode.
Facelift does have utility, access is from the main screen in EV settings.
Why Kona? The Hyundai future is Ionic 5
Give me an Ioniq5 and I will do the comrarison ;)
Ioniq just bigger, not that futurustic as advertised.
Range with bigger batter even less than in Kona.
The ID.3 was designed from the ground up to be an EV, whereas the Kona is an ICE car adapted to be an EV. That tells you all you need to know.
And yet the kona is more efficient than the id3
Please evidence why "that tells you all you need to know"
The Kona is built on a newly developed B-segment SUV platform derived from the Hyundai i30 platform,[19] which is designed to accommodate a range of powertrains, including fuel cell and electric variants.
Haha great, confirmation bias doing it's work, people who drive the kona say exactly the opposite.
Gotta love yt and it's content creators.🤣
id3 looks too cheap...
der Kona kann über den Schlüssel klimatisieren.Einfach Auto normal zusperren und dann auf Hold.
Cool.
Hab gerade research gemacht. In der Kona Anleitung ist nichts beschrieben. Aber die Taste macht das wirklich, allerdings beschweren sich viele Nutzer das sie es 10 mal lang drücken müssen bevor etwas passiert.
Das hab ich auch schon gelesen. Kann es leider noch nicht testen da meiner erst kommt
Kona facelift design looks very odd, Id looks way better.
turd 1 vs turd 2
Says the turd.
Id 3, the infotainment sucks!
This car tester is not at all objective, we offered him his ID3, to convince as many people as possible.
Proof, in his videos he never shows the real live figures of the competition. It's not me saying that it's his videos ....
ID4 7,26 and KONA ?
But the Ioniq 5 was said to go in over 6 seconds whereas Tesla-Björn measured under 5. No more Hyundai for this reviewer! 😱 😂
I wouldn’t touch a VW. Buggyness and poor build now comes as standard