BYD Seal Night Drive Intelligent Cruise Control Test Parking Sensors
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- Twilight and Night Drive in the BYD Seal with testing of Intelligent Cruise Control and use of sensors when in a carpark and parallel parking situation by BYD Tom aka Tesla Tom of Ludicrous Feed in Sydney Australia Jan 2024
BYD Seal Night Drive Intelligent Cruise Control Test Parking Sensors
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00:00 Introduction
00:38 ADAS settings
01:11 Indicators set to Brand
01:39 Drive Start
03:20 Commence Intelligent Cruise Control Test 1
08:17 Chatswood Part 1
09:54 Parking Lot entry
11:09 Parking Test 1
12:38 Parking Test 2
13:19 Measuring tape to check sensor distance
13:53 Exit carpark
16:18 Chatswood Part 2
16:48 Roundabouts
17:09 Parallel Parking Test
18:20 More roundabouts
19:16 Leaving Chatswood
22:49 Intelligent Cruise Control Test 2
29:38 Summary
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You didn't show HUD system
@@xma1582 I’ve shown it in my other videos
My wife heard your voice as she walked past the TV. She recognised who you were. Maybe I’m watching too many of your vids. 😁 But seriously…. excellent reviews and thanks heaps for being such a good source of info.
Haha thank you! And hello to wifey 👋
I’ve started watching your videos since few days and I’ve got to say that you are too good at this. Professional video quality and great explanation of each and every feature. Keep doing. Appreciate the work❤
Happy driving
Thank you
Another great video Tom! Thank you. Super helpful
Cheers 👍
Great to see you looking at the effectiveness of driver assistance systems. Too many professional reviewers seem to ignore them or only mention how the frequent beeping annoys them. All cars have long lists of their safety/assistance systems, but it is difficult to find out if they are any good. A few years ago one reviewer did a great test of AEB. He had a car shaped and sized balloon on a track and drove several different models at it at various speeds to check it. All of them braked but had various degrees of success. The best ones stopped before hitting the balloon, but others did hit it, some more strongly than others. I'm looking forward to your reviews of the Seal's assistance systems
I’ll keep testing!
Quick shout out from Singapore! I enjoy your videos very much. I think the tik tok indication sound is more natural even if it is louder.
Hello and thanks! Yes agreed, it sounds better than the “Brand” sound
@@LudicrousFeed by the way, could you share about rims (or wheels) and what types are best for EVs? Of the little I know, I understand that traditional rims used on ICE vehicles are not very aerodynamic on EVs, but the traditional rims really look much better and with how sleek the Seal is looking, with a nice set of rims, the car is going to really look awesome! Could you share your thoughts about rims? Thank you!
I love the changed indicator sound. It sounds very relaxing and calming
Hmm it is ok at first but then it gets on my nerves 😁
A perfect solution would be a quieter standard noise OR something with a lower frequency with slightly more “bass”
@@LudicrousFeedthe Ding Dong indicators noises IS new? Can you change to the previous Standard indicators noises??? As you picked Up the car .
@@Andrew-Night Watch the video to the end, I change it back to standard later when I get tired of the brand noise
@@LudicrousFeed yes Tom you are right, I watched the full video and checked that. Even if you turn of the car, then you turn on again , and the indicators alerts chosen are saved?? (Standard Sound) or... You have to change the indicators sound every time you turn the car on?
@@LudicrousFeed yes Tom you are right, I watched the full video and checked that. Even if you turn of the car, then you turn on again , and the indicators alerts chosen are saved?? (Standard Sound) or... You have to change the indicators sound every time you turn the car on?
I'm in the market for my first car and your statement on "nothing's perfect" really resonates with me! I'm in a bit of a car-review-cycle right now where its starting to become borderline decision paralysis. Guess it really comes down to personal preference at the end of the day
You can certainly start splitting hairs but I can understand that because after all you want the best value for the hard earned you’re about to hand over so it makes good financial stewardship to decide carefully
You won't regret purchasing a dynamic variant seal. You will come to regret purchasing a premium in a few years time, when multiple other ev models are available and the seal resale suffers.
@@stevenleonards4843 yeah part of the decision making is also whether to go ICE or EV cause of the resale value you mentioned...
@banethor if you are worried about resale, buy a 2 year old low mileage ice. Can pickup a used low muileage audi bmw for 40k. Wait another 2 years to buy ev. By then genuine competition from multiple manufacturers
@@stevenleonards4843 sounds very sensible thanks for the advice 😊
There's is no best car, only suitable. You are spot on Tom.
👌
congrats Tom i must say im loving my Seal Dynamic in Aurora white was very close to change my order to the Premium and totally agree with your opinion about no car is perfect
Glad you’re enjoying your Dynamic 👍
Can you share your AEC figures for power consumption on the dynamic. Thanks
Tom, I had a very interesting event occur with my Seal today. I had ICC enabled (autopilot) and it activated its own ADAS lane keep assist warnings. It obviously didn't like its own automated steering 🤔. BYD obviously need to improve the lane recognition algorithms. If they can do this, it will likely fix a number of issues.
Yeah again further evidence not to trust the ICC too much imho
Haha, that's kind of hilarious. 😅
Lovely night drive, great content.. Indicator sound I find to be a tad bit silly for an indicator sound but have heard far worse on French cars. More suited to a seatbelt warning sound. But that's probably because we're so accustomed to the tiktok.
Agreed, the indicator sound is not the best but not the worst either
I think i saw you a few days ago where the commenarra meets pennant hills road. That Seal looks really really good on the road. You pulled up next to my GV60
😃Agreed, I’m always pleasantly surprised whenever I see another Seal at how good they look 👍
@@LudicrousFeed i would go so far as to say its the best looking sedan on the market at the moment, incl ICE cars. Really good proportions, looks expensive. A real head turner
Great video! Thanks. About measuring the distance from sensors to wall: I guess you'd really like to know the distance from the "outermost" part of the car to the wall, not the sensor.
Great point! As I read your comment, I literally just went to the car to take some measurements:
- the perpendicular distance from the respective sensors to the
1. Front/Rear of car: 15cm
2. Front/Rear fenders: 20cm
It starts beeping at 60cm so you’ve got a reasonable margin of error 👍
Hi Tom,,
Thnx for the gr8 video🎉
Can pls do a range test on ur byd seal.
Sure, I’m halfway through a mixed use urban one as we speak 😁 ie I haven’t charged it since it was delivered to me with 100%
Tom - In TSR if you switch on ISLC (intelligent speed limit control) you can get the ICC to match the current TSR. When in ICC a message will come on the screen asking if you want to match the TSR, then you flick up on the toggle to make the ICC match the TSR. Also if you switch ISLI off it won't make a sound when you go over the TSR limit - but still shows the TSR. ISLC status will be remembered, but unfortunately ISLI status always reverts to on.
Hmm thanks for the tip, let me give this more thought … at the moment it’s not too much of an imposition to flick up the max ICC speed and I’m not to keen to see a prompt everytime tbh
Hi Tom I'm re-watching all you BYD seal videos again and enjoying the drive on my 85 inch Tv whilst I sit in my lounge chair as I await the delivery of my Shark grey Performance model seal sedan in late February/early March as I ordered in late December with the ocean blue interior too.
When you were leaving and went through the boom gate at the shopping centre carpark the audio warnings went off and I noticed the speed limit is 10km you were doing 17km so that explained the warning sounds.
I prefer the standard sound for the indicators.
Fantastic! Glad you’re enjoying them again on the big screen 😃🙏❤️
I believe i saw you around Chullora on new years eve around 9:30pm. Was in a black Mazda3 & said I'd ordered a seal & was asking about your driving experience whilst stopped at the lights. Your wife was driving & you were in the back though couldn't see you from the tint as you didn't open the rear window. Good to see you enjoying the car.
Not sure who you spoke to but this definitely wasn’t me. Glad they were enjoying the car though 😆
@@LudicrousFeed it was a white Seal that looked like yours but must have been someone else. Look forward to getting our Seal & putting it through its paces
I tested out the ICC today. I think its very usable on the freeway on long trips. On normal roads I prefer to drive myself. But very impressed with SEAL's ICC, i put one hand the wheel and rest the other and alternate, i can feel the car make mirco adjustments. My arm feel very rested after a long trip.
I’ll do a freeway test soon
@@LudicrousFeed Enjoy that car mate, I am very jelous that you got your car soo cheap... Down here in vic I paid sooo much more than you did!, we have no rebate : ( I paid almost as much as model 3, but I wanted better 2nd row and Apple carplay. I think you got your just for waze. I really enjoy ur videos, including your first time in japan videos : )
I noticed on mine the lines change colour to blue when the system is tracking the lines...agree that it's very good on freeways....wish it would stay on longer without having to move the wheel but understand why it doesn't.
Tesla Autopilot also requires the driver to wiggle the wheel every now and then for monitoring … commonly known in the Tesla community as “autopilot nag”
I'd love to try one of these for a few weeks. Would have to be the "3.8s" Performance though.
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The digital indicator sound reminds me of the beeps you hear from one of those machines in the hospital.
The machine that goes PING!
I find the ICC quite good on freeway driving. The display will give you a good idea if it is tracking the lines - will show you a solid line and a dotted line either side of the car icon usually.
I’ll do some actual freeway driving soon
...oh and yes agree with you about the indicator, that brand sound is horrendous!
Can u turn off the center screen for night highway driving?
@@andgate2000 can definitely turn off the bigger infotainment screen very easily. The one behind the steering wheel I doubt you can turn off but pretty sure you can adjust the brightness.
Thanks Tom - the indicator noise was quite pleasant initially but, after a few uses, got a bit intrusive so glad you switched it back. I wonder if, with the ICC being a bit in stable at 80 by 1km was because that car pulled in front of you so it was adapting slightly?
The ICC did improve slightly as the drive continued … I’ll keep testing it
The shortest distance (default) in ACC is quite long (in the Seal). There have been complaints from European owners and requests to make to closer in a software update.
Thanks for the great video! Do you know if I just turn off the emergency lane keeping assist and keep the lane keep assist on, would that persist or default to on after each reboot?
Agree with the car park speed limit at 10:50, I was told by a driving instructor years ago any 'shared vehicle-pedastrian space' has a default speed limit of 10km/h.
Unfortunately in Australia, some of the ADAS settings including emergency LKA returns to default ie. ON during your next drive. Further explained in my other vid: th-cam.com/video/YAS0i_ZJukA/w-d-xo.html
HAPPY NEW YEAR! (surprised carparks still need a ticket to be taken these days) :P
You too!
You are 100% right, there is no perfect car. Not yet anyway.
I’ll let you all know if/when I find it 😅
Do you have a vid on headlight performance and features? Also how practical would the 400l boot be for a family with 2 kids under 5years of age?
Let me think of a practical way to demonstrate both of your queries …
Great insightful video.
I’m not currently seeking to buy an electric vehicle but I’m sure some time in the future it’s inevitable.
I own a next gen Ford Everest, I find the large portrait infotainment screen ridiculous, at least in the Seal in its landscape view it clearly makes sense when using maps.
At first I thought the rotating screen was a gimmick but I can see its uses … admittedly I’ve only had it in landscape far 😆
@@LudicrousFeed Portrait mode is useful when using navigation as you can see further ahead where you're going (if you get my meaning). So not really a gimmick as plenty reviewers say. But other than for navigation its usefulness in portrait mode is fairly limited.
@@Paul-ow9dd Hmm good point, that’s true in my Model S which has a portrait screen - you can see a bit further ahead …
I've been comparing the Seal and Tesla Model 3 here in NZ, and ultimately went with the Seal. I was shopping at the lower end of the market as for my needs I just needed an efficient commuter that was going to be comfortable and easy to drive. The M3 has more mature software and some neat tech, but deal breakers for me were a lack of a front on display and no indicator stalks. I might just be old, but I don't want my indicators as buttons on the steering wheel.
Now if BYD can sort out all the bing/bongs and let me drive the car I'll be a happy man.
Nice and good choice 👍
I can see why lack of indicators could be problematic for some
Best of luck with your BYD, I drove one recently & was very impressed with how quiet it was @ 100kmh & also the interior finish & massive range. Re the Tesla changes I really like the MY xcept for the hard suspension & cabin noise could be better, I'd be hoping the Juniper will address these but then it'll probably have the indicator buttons which I think I'd get over but the screen gear selector would be a pain, take when you're doing a 3 pt turn or shuttling into a tight park space you're usually watching the traffic, mirrors or reverse camera & your hand on a physical control can go from forward to reverse without looking but with the screen you're going to look at it...
Loving these Seal videos, Tom. How are the headlights, inc. high beam? I'm a prospective buyer and do some unlit rural and hwy driving, so headlight performance is important. Cheers.
Thanks! I've only driven on urban roads and motorways in Sydney and they've served me well thus far ... but stay tuned I should have more tests coming up soon
I’m really enjoying these detailed review videos of the Seal. I’m thinking about getting either the Seal or the Tesla M3 so am watching these reviews with interest. At this early stage do you prefer the Seal or the Model 3?
It’s too early to say but of course having had a Tesla for so many years I’m very familiar with them and hence my preference still lies with them but … I’m enjoying driving the Seal nonetheless
Great review thanks. Is yours all wheel drive ?
Thanks 👍 RWD
Those blinker noises sound much better
Agree 👍
Great review Tom. The Chinese car makers still don’t get that in western markets less is more… the indicator, alert and gear sounds, faaark. I’ll have Joe mode anytime.Can it get more annoying? The interior, though initially more attractive than the Model 3/Y, seems to be a collage of so many different materials, as if they’re part of a batch of off cuts they found on a Shanghai wet market. This is a great effort for offering people who can’t afford a BMW, Mercedes or Tesla. But not for me.
Cheers! Thanks for your thoughts, much appreciated. I'm all for value as viewers know and I'll be honest and say that I although I could probably afford to buy a BMW/Merc EV at a push I probably wouldn't because of similar sentiments that you've described about the Seal. As an example, I was less than impressed with the EQE that I sat in recently. Price is not always an indicator of quality!
Thanks again Tom. I agree with you on the indicator noise on Brand. It would annoy me. I mentioned that in one of your other videos that I am waiting for my Tesla Model 3. After your comments I am taking a Seal for a test drive tomorrow. Just a quick couple of questions. Does it have seat profiles like the Tesla and does it do trip planning? Thanks
No driver profiles that I can see so far but I’ll do a detailed infotainment walkthrough
No one does EV trip planning like Tesla does trip planning. None such either in BYD but I’ll try to see if ABRP is a fair compromise so stay tuned
@@LudicrousFeed Damn it. This is looking more of a 50/50 than I would have liked. Thanks as always for your feedback and comments
You can save seat positions in the Seal. But I don't think it has driver profiles based on your phone Bluetooth connection, like in a Tesla. There is no doubt Telsa offer a more seamless interaction with your car. But I'm hoping BYD have the desire to learn from Tesla, and its owner feedback, to improve the software.
IMO, it's a tough choice between the Model 3 and a Seal. Both offer different benefits. Already having model 3 made the choice easier for me. But I have to say, make sure you are comfortable with having no stalks in the new Highland. I would probably never trade up my Telsa for a new one, unless they add them stalks back again. You can always try a second hand, late model pre-Highland Model 3 as another option, it should save you some money too.
I've missed having 3D camera views to help with parking, in my Tesla. It works very well in the Seal, probably a better system than in the Mercedes I sold over a year ago.
Yeah loving the front bumper camera - it’s a nice touch
Thanks for the video Tom, I am learning about my Seal at the same time as you 😊. I think we have been spoilt by our Tesla ownership, but the Seal is still a great car, BYD will hopefully improve things in time.
I prefer the "tick tock" indicator, even though it is too loud. The brand sound for the indicator drives me bonkers. Even in the Tesla the default volume for the indicator is too loud, although not as loud as the Seal. I set the Tesla to Joe Mode.
I’ve actually never been bothered by regular indicator noises tbh no matter which press car I drive (I think …) but the electronic one just didn’t sit right with me at all
- if only we could take the best bits out of both cars 😆
@@LudicrousFeed Tesla took years before they added Joe mode, after feedback from owners. I think we need to give BYD some constructive feedback so they we can all hopefully benefit from software updates.
BYD still new to other makers than it's own, it needs time and uer feedbacks to iron out the bugs and improve the software... Chinese market is totally different to western ones...
Sorry for all the questions. How many colours can you change the ambient lighting? And also where is the ambient lighting located? Never see any videos of interior and exterior lights at night. Placing an order this week after we see the light coloured interior in person. Hoping it’s more white than blue.
There’s about 20 colours that can be changed across the spectrum for the interior ambient lighting from memory
Ambient light strip in the highland model 3 is at eye level, but the BYD Seal has it a much more sensible lower level so as not to blind you.
Fair point but to be honest the Model 3 RGB lights weren’t intrusive during my night test: Updated 2024 Tesla Model 3 Night Drive in Sydney Australia
th-cam.com/video/QOaC2yH3naA/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for uploading the night drive experience. Were hoping you to test out far outside in the dark to see if lighting brighter quality and same for high beam to see how far it reach out. And the reversing camera if it clear view at night. Cos i driven some car's rear cam lighting is super low and hard to see. But the camry's rear cam lighting is bright and clear view when reversing.
Love the cameras in the Seal - sharper than the Model 3 (even the Highland)
- I don’t do much driving in really dark unlit areas tbh so it would be an unrealistic test for my situation
@@LudicrousFeed Yeah all g. I personally often like to go off road trip and always concerning about the lightings quality at night and reversing camera on Mountain hill roads. Just imagine if you have baby sleeping in the car you dont wanna wake the baby up with all that lousy sensor alert when you can view from the rear cam in good lowlight quality.
I agree with you - when my kids were much younger than they are now, I would've been very upset if something like a car beep woke them up! We need the "Don't wake the baby" mode to be released as a software update by BYD the same way Tesla finally released "Joe Mode" after numerous requests by owners.
Hopefully BYD are watching my videos and reading these awesome viewer comments ...
@@LudicrousFeed Although I understand the regulation LAW is set by EU for the ANCAP 5 stars. But hey who own the car? The car's owner should have the authority to set whatever they want. Is funny that you can set to turn off, but you cannot saved it to save trouble? Sometime their logical sense is way beyond my imagination.
Stay tuned, a software update is coming ... from a reliable source
I’ve driven the both the m3 highland and the seal twice now. And I’ll be putting an order in for the m3 long range. Better sound system, technology and ride comfort did it for me. When you get your M3, I know you’ll end up keeping it.
Nice! Good choice 👍
@@LudicrousFeed Overall - What do you prefer?
@@BillyWallace785the sound system was a big reason as to why I chose the model 3 long range! Was there a big difference between the M3LR and Seal in terms of sound quality? I’ll be using Apple Music 👌
@@Licks61SG The Model 3 LR has 17 speakers, and the difference in sound was substantially noticeable!
I think comparing the LR Model 3 with the Seal Premium is potentially unfair given the LR has 2 motors and a few more speakers as you mentioned! For the extra cash there’s no doubt the LR is a better car
Best to compare with RWD Model 3 👍
Love your ev informative vids, viewed the seal in Sydney showroom, think your pick is the sweet spot of choice including colour. Going to the moon in 3.8 seconds is not reality in real world.The car is a great option sedan for the RIP Aussie falcons and commodores. The Chinese cars I have looked at show skimping of paint quality in inconspicuous areas, would like your views, maybe in vid on this respect. Also, the blade battery benefits over model 3. For me, this is a no brainer, to pick the seal and not even consider the 3 as even an option.
Great suggestion re: paint quality! I'll try to do an objective assessment somehow ... stay tuned
If BYD offered one pedal driving in the seal or upcoming Song U I would buy it in a heartbeat. One pedal driving is by far my favourite feature in Teslas
Yes OPD in a Tesla is superb BUT not all OPD is equal so be careful what you wish far. Apart from Polestar, I’ve found other OPD to be lacking tbh, even the eGMP OPD is not blended enough
After driving Tesla OPD I don't like to drive gas car anymore 😅. Very hard to change to other car that can give the same OPD
@@LudicrousFeed absolutely agree. The weak regen and lack of Tesla/polestar-like OPD is what's keeping me from buying a Seal, sounds silly but that's how much I love OPD. As much as I hate Teslas approach of deleting parking sensors and stalks I think I'm willing to suck it up.
When I buy the updated M3 or MY juniper I will retrofit S3XY buttons(enhance auto) stalks when they are released and get autopilot auto reengagement thanks to their recent Christmas software update.
In Ireland, the new Model 3 RWD is 4000euro/ 6500aud cheaper than the cheapest Seal. I'm not sure if it's worth the extra cash over the M3.
I believe BYD will only improve from here. The Seal is an amazing first iteration car for the international market, solidly built. Give it a bigger boot(model 3 size), hatch opening, proper OPD, then it will be a mega car.
I thoroughly enjoy your content and how thorough you are to show us real world driving scenarios. Keep up the great work
@@LudicrousFeedInteresting comment about the Polestar 2 OPD. I didn't like it much myself, I find the Tesla OPD far smoother. The MG OPD must be very bad then!
@@LudicrousFeed In the MG 4 OPD was too severe. Quite awful actually. But it could be switched back to low /High. Would be nice if BYD offered it in their vehicles as a menu item with a slider control for a certain amount of personal adjustment. Perhaps it could be added in an update?
Lane centering vs autosteer
Lane centring: course correct if you veer too much
Auto steer: actually steers around bends without driver input.
Big difference.
Yup agree with this
Apologies if I conflated the two
I prefer the the normal tick tock indicators, on a test drive they were fine.
The automated lane control, do you think it's just software coding that will help it stay centred better or is it a physical problem?
Probably software but I’m not an engineer
I'm now curious about that "Engine sounds simulator" I saw under the indicator sound setting!
I’ve tried pressing it many times - no avail
Anyone else with a Seal have success?
The new sounds not sure about myself, would prefer the old sounds myself. Interesting about the ICC although as you say I wouldn't trust any system including Tesla. I know when I rented a Model Y in roadworks AP bailed out when another car was coming the other way weirdly. The vision only cruise in the Tesla has already failed, another TH-camr in the US I follow his partner the car hit parking lot bollards as it didn't detect them properly due to vision only. Much prefer the sensor based systems.
Yeah sensors for the win when parking although I’m not sure how much Tesla cars use sensors for AP even for USS-equipped cars 🤷♂️
I don’t trust any AP/self-drive - Tesla included
The seal’s interior looks very refined and polished. Honestly, more than Tesla, these are far more competitive than some of the lackluster German efforts for ev.
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Great video again! May I ask what are the factors that made you choose BYD Seal over the M3?
Thanks! Given I've owned 4 Teslas already I felt it was safe to given an alternative a try rather than buy another one. If it was my very first EV and I had no other car (EV or ICE) to depend on, then I think I would probably strongly consider the new 2024 Model 3 over the Seal. I think also given my medical background, I have this desire to see things improve with time ... hence why I want to see what BYD do with their software - call me strange! I will make my thoughts known more in an upcoming vid when I have another loan of the Model 3 again
@srun1989 A change is as good as a holiday? 🙂
What's the ground clearance?. There seems to be conflicting info, most website says 120mm while BYD specs stated 140mm
Watch from 5min 45s point for my next video: Australia Premium BYD Seal Ownership Update One Week Later | Regrets?
th-cam.com/video/7YHbncpF5Qc/w-d-xo.html
120mm from the aero dampers
140mm if the dampers are removed
My hope is that one day we'll get to a level of customisation where we can download or just add our own sound files for ultimate customisation!
It’s an Android tablet on wheels so I’m sure someone will figure out how to “side load” it
- disclaimer I’m an Apple user so I don’t know what I’m talking about hence why I put that term in inverted commas
Happy New Year Tom.If Autopilot driving was not a priority, Seal definitely is a great buy then Tesla.
Same to you! Yeah agreed, not everyone wants to drive using Level 2 autonomy
In China, BYD has been quite conservative in its approach to autonomous driving.
If Autopilot and the Technology wasn’t a priority.
Thats one thing I will not miss on any new Tesla is that vision only system so scary parking using camera only, we tested the front camera on our test Tesla 2024 Model 3 and its so easy to run over anything below the camera vision! Parking sensors are just so much better! Not sure why MG refuse to have front parking sensors on their cars, but at least most Chinese mid spec and above have 360 degree cameras, its funny our mid spec Nissan Leaf has a good 360 degree camera yet our mid spec EV6 does not!
I’ll admit the front sensors will be missed in the new Model 3 by many, myself included
At 10:50 - shopping centre speed limits are actually legally binding. One day at our big shopping centre the police made a fortune booking speedsters hand over fist.
I am enjoying your Seal expose as I am looking to replace our "second" ICEv with something very comfortable to drive.
On the topic of "beeps" the ADRs should allow BYD to provide a settings screen that offered the range of warning options ie., a) haptic: b) sound: and c) visual display AND set them into memory so they do not require re-setting each time.
Note that the ADRs require a minimum of 2 options to be chosen, so haptic and screen would do away with the annoying "beeps". Interestingly the ADRs imply there is a legal implication if a warning system is REMOVED (eg taking out a fuse as it breaches the regulation), but that a vehicle manufacturer should be able to include an ability to TURN OFF warning systems where they failed real world practicalities, as the rules specifically provide for "deactivation."
Interesting … that the police can book in a private carpark 🤔
Yes in overseas markets the ADAS settings can be switched off via software and keyed into memory for the next drive. As explained in my previous video it was set this way by our local distributor to comply with ANCAP 5* requirements. I’m hearing on good authority that a software update is coming soon to rectify this. I won’t be removing any fuses or hardware for the reasons you have stated
@LudicrousFeed EV Direct have been proven incompetent in their vehicle introductions. The warning systems are inbuilt and therefore meet ANCAP requirements. Managing the software so that control remains with the driver, in keeping with ADRs, should have been sorted out over a year ago.
My source tells me they wanted to be extra cautious given 2023 ANCAP regulations are stricter
@@LudicrousFeed As I am not beholden to any automakers I understand why they would spin that line to you, but it does NOT make sense.
All of the Seal's safety warning systems under ANCAP's "Safety Assist" rating come as standard equipment. Accordingly, it's these features which are tested by ANCAP and your "source's" claim of being "extra cautious" cannot be relevant to what is STANDARD (EV Direct has no say in BYD's safety systems). Quite separate to what ANCAP tests is how drivers are being warned. That's where BYD continues to fail and remains the Seal's worst enemy from every TH-cam review. Like you, I hope they can get it right as there are some really simple fixes.
More important than anything is the fact that an inappropriate level of emphasis is placed on safety systems which contribute to a 5-star ANCAP rating, but regularly fail in real world driving and should be deactivated as they are more likely to contribute to an accident than avoid one if relied upon.
Here's a direct copypaste from ANCAP's Seal test:
"Tests of the AEB (Car-to-Car) system showed GOOD performance with collisions avoided or mitigated in most test
scenarios, with GOOD and ADEQUATE performance in AEB Junction and AEB Crossing scenarios ....
Assessment of the AEB Head-On system functionality showed MARGINAL performance."
As a driver I believe I have a right to be able to override any safety system which is only assessed as "adequate" or "marginal" as that is simply not good enough. And as the ADR's note, there can be a case for "deactivation" where tests fail real world experience.
How easy is it to park in a garage for example? Does the car roll forwards slowly when in D and foot off brake?
That’s probably one area that could improve … supposedly there is a slow drive mode but it still requires a gentle massage of the brake pedal to get my car into my garage
@LudicrousFeed it's going to be a tight squeeze in my garage and requires checking front and rear cameras to make sure it's in far enough.
The ability for it to just "roll" off a standstill and feather the brakes would be ideal.
@@barthez1988 Turn off the Auto hold and it will be easier. The 360 camera helps a lot
have you tested the front sensors, The seal only appears to have front-side sensors and not a central front?
Yes I did a parking test in this vid: 2024 Tesla Model 3 RWD Highland Update vs BYD Seal Premium Australia
th-cam.com/video/YAaKVAST3w4/w-d-xo.html
@@LudicrousFeed thank you, I have not watched that one. I noticed if there is an obstacle in the middle it does not pick it up. Front sensor coverage is not ideal.
does ECO mode do anything different with the regen braking? do you miss 1 pedal driving from a tesla?
Not really, I can adapt between the two
Any chance of addressing some of the minor questions people may have which may seem a bit picky but still important for some. Like what is the paint finish like? do you get a fob instead of a key or a card like Tesla? do you have an app for the car? if you do can you control some of the features remotely via the app? who do you find charging? can you use Tesla supercharger network? what's the service costs compared to lets say Tesla? do you know anything about how prompt BYD is with software updates?
Of course 🙏
This is only Day 3 of ownership … I’ll keep the vids coming and will try to answer as many questions as possible
Thanks for sharing your driving experience Tom. I am interested in buying a Seal, but there are 2 things worries me. One thing is about rusting issue which has been discovered from other BYD models. Have you checked your one is OK?
The other is by design, the low ground clearance (120mm). Have you experience any issue so far? Will higher road bump hit the chassis undercarriage?
No rusting so far
Yes it has a low ground clearance but that’s due to some plastic in front of the front wheels to reportedly help with aerodynamics. I haven’t bottomed out yet when driving on the roads however because I have a sloping driveway, I’m using rubber speed bumps and even then it’s hitting the plastic so I’m still working out the optimal placement for my bumps. Importantly the undercarriage is not affected
what is the material of the undercarriage cover, is it enough to protect the battery and motor system? There's no one talk about it in english yet. But I do see some forum in chinese talk about replacing with a solid undercarriage cover.@@LudicrousFeed
Seems like a sheet with a mix of plastic and metal covering the battery pack floor. Wouldn’t mind learning more about the way the chassis is put together 👍
Finally a car manufacturer that nails a design again for a change. Why is it so hard to design a car that's esthetically pleasing to the eye?
👍
Interested in your thoughts on the Ev6? I have my first Ev narrowed down to either Kia Ev6 GT or Tesla model 3 Highland LR. Hard to make the choice.
Check out my most recent EV6 GT review: 2023 Kia EV6 GT Walkthrough Range Test Efficiency Acceleration & more!
th-cam.com/video/YJzBdrnn4QU/w-d-xo.html
I’ve also got a few more GT-Line reviews in my catalogue
Kia suspension too hard and tech too slow in my opinion. Also, it is a lot more plastic feeling and not very premium outside. Otherwise I liked it.
@@deserialized forgive my ignorance, isn't the other EVs the same full of plastic? How is the tech slow? Lags or?
@@freakybeast5068 it is the choice of material. You will see and feel it inside. In doors and center console. Lot of hard plastic in EV6. In Seal you will find a different mix of fabric.
@@freakybeast5068 about lags. EV6 has not updated their hardware in years which you experience as a lag. They have promised wireless Android Auto for years but it never comes.
My BMW once it recognised the speed on a sign, I only need to press the set button and it goes there. There's no such option on the Seal, or am I doing something wrong?
AFAIK the Seal’s ICC will only match your current speed upon initial activation and there’s no option to match the posted speed sign - happy to be corrected on this. Sadly BYD’s semi-autonomous drive system lags behind its competitors
@LudicrousFeed Awesome car, nonetheless. I've had it for a day and I'm really enjoying it. Very smooth delivery of power. It's like a space ship, moving at a ridiculous speed without all the fuss. Very nice finish, quiet, the glass roof is great without feeling hot under it, at least at this time of the year, etc.....
Can the cruise control follow one car length to use for traffic queueing
Great question, I’ll try that if I come across traffic (and film if possible)
Hi tom IF YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE CAR BETWEEN MODEL Y AND SEAL PREMIUM WITH ONE 3 year old which one would you choose? And do you think the build quality is better on byd than tesla model 3 or y
If I only had the choice of ONE family car with no other car to use - neither another EV nor ICE as backup then I’d stick with my Model Y because we love to road trip and currently the SC network is second to none
The Seal is a fantastic second car and hence why I’m in the fortunate position of being able to own one given we have a Model Y as our family car
- the build quality in the BYD Seal feels more solid to me
@@LudicrousFeed Thanks for the quick reply tom only thing is base model dynamic which is similar to model y in range wise and still feel more premium is 19k cheaper than model y. Now i have to think about that
Standard indicator sounds fine Tom. Don't see this as an issue. Certainly not a fan of the brand sound. 🙂I'm assuming it's the same as in the Atto 3. Coming from Volkswagens I didn't even really notice the change. Agree that ultimately it up to the purchaser, and no vehicle is perfect. Not the Seal and not the M3. I've watched/read too many reviews. Taking a Performance for a drive tomorrow. Still to decide between the Premium, Performance and the M3. I wish the choice was easier. A lot easier! Guess I don't want buyer's remorse! I wish the 6-year vehicle warranty didn't have any caveats in it. That's disappointing as it's a full 6 years in some other markets I believe (happy to be corrected). I wish the local importer would rethink the caveats. Having the limited warranty will sacrifice some purchases.
Yes the warranty has some caveats across the Aus BYD range
great video Tom
Question as somebody who is new to EV vehicles that is looking at buying there first one what would you say are things i should lookout for. We have test driven the Tesla MY Hyundai kona and the MG zs ev. thanks
Good question
I think you need to get a car that’s fit for your purpose. Like all cars, EVs or otherwise: is it big/small enough, is there enough cargo space, what’s the ride height and is it ok for your driveway
For EV specific questions: do you have home charging setup? Is 7kW enough or do you drive enough to warrant 11kW? If you don’t have home charging then what about the car’s DC charging capabilities - is it fast enough to tolerate regular public charging?
Do you do regular road trips? If so then Tesla SC network is what will tip you over to buy a Tesla. Do you like using autonomous driving features?
These are some of the basic considerations
@@LudicrousFeed thanks for the reply i don't even know were to start with home charging i know we have a charging station in town. It will be mainly road trips so no long driving thought the week so home charging wont be an issue, i do have to speak to an electrician to make sure. My main concern is do i go for a Tesla that is a well known brand or go for something like the BYD that is new to the market that looks to be very promising from what I've seen, We are going to Hobart this weekend to test drive the atto 3 and the seal
Just food for thought is that BYD has now surpassed Tesla worldwide in terms of number of BEVs sold: data from Q4 2023
@LudicrousFeed I was not aware of that thank you
Sorry but those sounds would drive me crazy, I am glad I ordered a New Model 3 Highland instead.
Fair enough! Enjoy the Tesla ❤️🙏
keep in mind that Seal is not meant to have L2+ ADAS yet. The most capable BYD ADAS is with Denza N7 and that is better than anything on Tesla. But you need to wait probably another year before this comes across all their models
Is self parking available thanks Zoran
Not that I’ve seen so far
Hi. Is the LED headlamp bright enough? Coz my Byd dolphin headlamp not bright enough 😅
Has seemed fine for me so far
😍🙏🏻🩵🩵💙
BYD could make a bigger range of turn indicators sounds available. Laurie NZ. 😊
The potential is there
Wish we can get the Geely Zeekr 007 in Oz.
Yes please and the X
In China's electric vehicle market, BYD has been very conservative when it comes to autonomous driving. The outstanding performance in this regard is Xpeng, Huawei's cooperation with AITO, AVATAR, Luxeed, and the upcoming Xiaomi.
Yes so I hear!
Would love to test some of those others out
Not to mention Nio and the new Zeekr 007 and X
Those cars you've mentioned from Huawei are very new. Xpeng, Nio and Li Auto is time tested but all of them would cost around $90K+ AUD if sold here i would imagine. Not to mention all of them are fitted with the high-resolution LiDAR and Milliwave radars which cost a lot.
@@davec110 hopefully they won't be that expensive 55 to 70k I'm hoping only time will tell
@@johnharris4600 Xpeng is cheaper out of the lot. i checked them out on my trip to China last NOV. You could possibly have the Xpeng G5 for around 50k-55k here but better models with those Lidars cost at least 70k+ if you add around $10k more on domestic retail price. The EV makers in China are focusing on killing each other this year so you never know what bargains can be had. Luckily we don't have an Auto industry to protect so more models the better. I heard Zeeker is hiring in Sydney so lets hope this Luxury sister brand of Volvo will start selling here soon.
Hi Tom... good video as always. We're a Tesla and BYD family also, 2021 M3 and Atto 3. I'm just wondering how you find the accelerator responsiveness? My wife first tried her Atto 3 in Eco mode but we found it downright dangerous...just way too much lag. Even in Standard/Normal mode the lag is a bit too pronounced so now we always drive it in Sport mode. It's acceptable but there is still a slight lag, whereas the Tesla is just super responsive.
Yeah agree with you, I find the responsiveness in the Atto 3 lacking. The Seal has the ever slightest of lag as I’ve mentioned a few times but nothing on the Atto 3 or MG tbh
Otherwise it’s within my acceptable tolerance
I actually think the lag in my Seal Performance, even in Sport mode, is a bit too much. I love the instantaneous responsiveness of my Model 3. I am hoping BYD improves this aspect.
@vasil7410
Tesla: The Whole is greater than the sum of its parts
BYD: The sum of its parts is greater than the whole
The BYD lacks thoughtful holistic engineering, and the tesla, despite its many drawbacks, is a better car to drive.
@@stevenleonards4843They are different cars to drive, better in their own ways. BTW, I would not upgrade my current Model 3 until Tesla put back some of those missing parts, such as stalks. Disabling problematic ADAS systems is nothing compared to having no indicator stalk and screen based gear change. There is nothing holistic about this aspect of Tesla's engineering.
@vasil7410 agree with a lot of what you say. However, auto steer is a huge plus for 500km of highway driving every week. So if I was spending model 3 money, I would purchase the Tesla, not the premium.
I think the dynamic is the best buy in the BYD lineup. As the driver aid technology is so poorly calibrated, I don't think one can justify paying higher prices for the premium or performance models. You are better off purchasing the tesla and adding aftermarket indicator stalks which will be released soon enough.
I've also just discovered there is a way of running Android apps on a tesla through a Web interface which is swaying me more towards the Model 3 now.
The seal will be no different to a used Toyota camry in a few years, while the Tesla software continues to improve.
Indicator sound is cool! Can you turn off the left screen while driving? Laurie. NZ.
You can set the main centre screen to “Screen Saver Mode” with just a clock face and the AC controls
I have to wonder how accurate the air quality sensors are... they always seem to say 5 inside and 10 outside in my experience
Maybe Sydney has clean air? 😁
Jokes aside, when we did the road trip from Sydney to Melbourne in the Atto 3, there was a council worker cutting the grass at the NRMA charger that we were using and I was particularly grateful for the filter that day: th-cam.com/video/3T9KUInbzWA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xxycPBJIXhdL-m7Q&t=765
Maybe @@LudicrousFeed - the car said the same during my test drive in Melbourne though. As long as it's roughly close enoug hand filters well, I'm happy! Cheers Tom
On our Atto3 it's PM 5-7 in and 18-22 Outside down here in Hobart. Worse air than in Sydney. Not likely. 🙂
could not stop laughing watching your apologies for the car ))) Are you changing your genre for comedy? Anyone buying this car faces to become a laughing stock
lol not apologising but pointing out the shortfalls hoping BYD will take note
Do you think you'll need a sunshade? I know tesla's get really hot without a sunshade
It came with a sunshade so I’ll demonstrate its usage in another video. I’m hearing comments from users that the heat rejection is reasonable in the Seal glass roof
Hey Tom, my wife is sick of me watching seal videos, and she is desperate for the car to arrive so I'll quite watching videos and start playing with the car 😂. I only ordered in mid December so there might be some time to wait
In the meantime I’ll have more vids for you to watch until it arrives 😁
@@LudicrousFeedabsolutely love it!!!! When did you order yours? About a month and a half ago?
Basically the same night it was announced back in mid-October 2023
@@LudicrousFeed love it keep up the good work, and thanks for the videos absolutely love them
@aimanjajo9951 Funny! So is my wife AND our 12 yo son. 🙂
I would get completely insane with all these noises.
Waiting for that update!
Hope Australia can bring Auto Huawei Technologies can come to Australia, best self parking compare to others
Would be great to test some of these
Tom I'm just wondering why you have ACC activated in a 60km zone. I only use it on roads 80km and above.
Yeah just for testing purposes
I don’t usually use it off camera for 60 and under
i did my first tesla video it took me 9 months ti finally get it out lol. first ever car video. its really hard to do car videos...
Congrats! It gets easier with practice 👍
Great video Tom. It looks like the European markets get an off white interior seating which looks a bit more premium than the black seating.
If you had the chance to pick and choose features from a BYD and a Tesla, what would that car look like?
Given I'm not a car designer, I'll probably end up with Homer's Car 😆
Jokes aside, that would make a great video
HNY Tom
Thanks! Same to you 🥳
Loving the Seal content so far. Is the glass roof practical in the Australian summer? Do the included shades do much to stop heat?
It hasn’t been hot enough yet for me to make an educated comment but will test the next time we have a scorcher in Sydney 🥵
Hi Rob. I had a 3 and now a Y with glass roof here in Sydney. It’s never bothered me. The only issue is the glass heats up as it absorbs the heat instead of letting it through. You feel that for about the first 5 mins on the top of your head after you get in the car when it’s been sitting in the sun. Once you have some air flowing on the outside and the AC going the glass cools down very fast. I’d say the seal will be much the same. I hardly ever use roof shades.
The glass roof in the Model 3/Y and likely the Seal will probably make the car hotter if parked in the hot sun all day hence why the sunshades are useful if parked outside. Once the AC is on, it’s usually enough to keep the cabin cool. Although I wonder with the shades, the AC probably works less hard and thus makes the drive more efficient … a test probably worth doing
@@LudicrousFeed Yes it definitely lets the car get warmer but remote AC cools the car off anyway and the glass cools quite fast with airflow over it. I was worried about this before I bought a Tesla but it’s been a non-event and the issue tends to get hyped up by some people. I tried to do a test on this but found it hard to get measurable or consistent results. There are so many other variables to consider. I’ve got a heap of footage that wasn’t worth editing in the end. You might have more luck with your experience.
@@LudicrousFeed Tesla throws most of that cabin heat to the battery anyway so only some of it is wasted. Unless of course it’s a 40deg day. Not sure if the Seal has this capability or not. I honestly haven’t felt like the glass roof is a negative from my point of view.
The Seal seems very quite. One possible issues I may have is the fact BYD run Google Android as the vehicle OS. You can also load Apps on the car and I wonder what BYD has to stop possible Apps from Hacking the car. Is there any form of Virus protection. This is not possible with Tesla as they are running Unix via the Tesla so called VPN connection.
From an ignorant Apple user’s perspective (myself) I’m hearing that BYD owners have tried “side-loading” apps in their Atto 3 though I’m hearing that BYD are clamping down on this too to prevent potential security issues as you have suggested
Thanks Tom for your really informative videos. It seems from your recording that the car is particularly quiet inside. Doesn't seem to have any tyre rumble.
Yes the insulation is quite good
I think camera should come on when you approach a wall forward direction. Greetings from Austria
Hi! Yes agreed
@@LudicrousFeed but they didn't in the garage. Do they come on in other situations?
I’ll keep monitoring …
Hopefully I will get mine this or next week
Hi Tom, Really enjoying watching all your videos. Im about to look at getting my first EV and have been watching lots of your videos for information. Knowing what you now know about the Seal, would you recommend it over a Model Y for a first time EV buyer?
If you need the space or plan on going on road trips, go the Y - the SC network, although some are open to non-Tesla EVs, is still the best DC network in Australia and the ease of use is unsurpassed
If this is a second car or just a town car, then the Seal is definitely worth a look
If you can wait , wait for new model y.
@@wensiangfong Yes good call - I suspect it won’t be long before it’s released
Tom , why did you change the indicators Beep ??? Those "ding dong" beeps for the indicators IS utterly annoying..., I prefer the original Standard indicators noises you had when you picked Up the car... Can you select these noises?? Please say yes... I am scared...XP
Watch the whole vid, I change it back later once I get sick of it
Not sure why so many criticise that loud indicator sound, as so many times I see cars fail to turn them off and thats a high risk of causing an accident, far less likely to forget to turn them off if louder.
Good point. I can tolerate the standard sound tbh
of course perfect car for everyone does not exist but there is such thing as perfect car for me 😁
Correct 👍
That is a god damn nightmare of a carpark
Oh the underground one in Chatswood? Yeah gotta take it easy with all those pillars 😰
Tom, I find I can rely completely on the sensors and cameras to avoid obstacles during parking and close obstacles. If you use your cameras while reverse parking or in close proximity to the kerbs, there is no way you should ever get kerb rash on your rims. It's brilliant.
Yes agreed - I’ve been relying on cameras and sensors particularly for rear parking in our Model 3/Y/S for many years now - I can’t remember when I last looked in the rear view mirror - oh wait I do, that’s when MG loaned me their pre-prod MG4 which didn’t allow the cameras to be shown 😆
Jokes aside, the Seal front bumper camera is a nice touch for parking - extra security 🥂
Dam even my old 2018 Nissan Leaf with Propilot handles lanes better than that. Not sure how you go from your Tesla to that poor lane keeping system. BYD have had a lot of criticism pointed at them over their poor autopilot systems. I am no Tesla fan boy and personally will probably never own a Tesla but credit to Tesla for a very good system they have!
Tesla AP is top of the tree for sure when it comes to autonomous driving benchmark
@LudicrousFeed We just got a new (demo) Kia EV6, and its lane keeping is very good up to around 70kph it keeps its lane perfectly even around quite sharp corners, but over that speed it's good but cannot trust it that much, works great in the cities though.
I’m really liking these videos of your exploring the Seal’s handling and features. The Seal and the Polestar 2 are on my shortlist for a possible purchase of my first EV this year. I’d be interested if you could try out the Seal on some unmade roads (if there are any near you). I know the clearance is quite low, and while I wouldn’t be doing much driving off the bitumen, I do like taking trips occasionally on back roads in the Otways and places like Kangaroo Island.
By the way, I don’t like the “brand” indicator sounds either - too gimmicky.
Thanks! I don’t have many unsealed roads around me and it’s not something I’m keen to try either - call me precious 😁
- Yes it does have a low clearance, lower than Model 3
- I will however do a handling test on some winding roads soon so stay tuned
@@LudicrousFeed Thanks Tom. Perfectly understand your reluctance. Looking forward to more vids.
Polestar has NMC battery.... No thanks
@@LudicrousFeed Yes the low clearance may well be a deal breaker for me as I have a steep ~3 metres into my driveway and if I risk scraping the underside of the front bumper, then that's the end of my Seal consideration. The M3 may be OK? Or I will have to wait for the Y Juniper...
I saw a white Seal being pulled over yesterday on the side of the highway, that wasn’t you…was it lol
Haha definitely not
I wonder what the misdemeanour was 😁
@@LudicrousFeedSorry officer was just testing the top speed of my new BYD Seal Performance
Sire you were doing 300km/h in the 70 zone
yeah byd autonomy isn't great, I wouldn't use it. But I experienced similar issues with it keeping to a lane.
Yeah I’d probably only limit the ICC in the city to testing for the channel. To be fair in my neck of the woods given I don’t really have highways in the immediate vicinity of my home, I didn’t use much Tesla AP either save for YT vids
i am shocked that the roads are good in this video :D usually its full of pot holes.
Yeah it hasn’t been raining much so it’s been smooth lately