😂 True, hopefully they will do it like the comics and say he had a wife on Sakaar. If so then his baby momma could be Caiera, who was also a fighter in the Grandmasters games.
I don’t know if it’s me but the hulk in the first avengers film looked really real and detailed almost like it wasn’t cgi. from then on it was just not good.
Eric Bana as Hulk or Edward Norton….. and have it like Hulk would grow to such a large size as an angry and unstoppable monster….. yet a detailed enough storyline where, Bruce Banner has some very deep and personal layers to him
I've always said, Hulk's best appearance was in Avengers 1. He went downhill after that. 2008 Hulk was cool as a start, but he was kinda weak. While he wasn't terrible in Avengers 2, he still wasn't handled quite right. I had an issue with that Hulk vs Hulk buster fight too. Why is Iron Man able to go head up against Thor and Hulk? But then loses to Cap and Bucky. And outside of that fight, what meaningful moment did he have? I also didn't love that they tried to pair Banner with Natasha either outta the blue only to not follow through with it. Almost like they knew they weren't gonna really make them a thing. Then it felt even worse when they finally reunited only to just ignore the whole thing and not acknowledge it. I was happy to finally see him again in Ragnarok with Thor no less. I still remember seeing the first trailer. It seemed really lighthearted in tone, which I wasn't a huge fane of, but seeing Hulk with a fresh haircut about to go up against Surtur was mind blowing. If you remember, they ended the trailer with that epic shot of Hulk jumping up at Surtur about to clash with him. Plus Thor and Hulk were gonna get a rematch so I thought we'd be in for a real good time when it came to Hulk's stuff at least. Unfortunately, I was heavily disappointed. The fight with Thor was terribly underwhelming, and there wasn't even a fight at all with Surtur. The tone of the movie was too silly, and Hulk and Thor were turned into jokes. Both of their storylines from the comics were terribly adapted. The Planet Hulk storyline and the Ragnarok storyline. People really liked it though. I can see how they would like it if it was any other movie because it had some funny parts, but as a Thor and Hulk movie? No, it wasn't that good. Ironically people DIDN'T like Thor Love and Thunder for the same exact reasons that they DID like Ragnarok. Never understood why fans didn't expect that movie to be just as silly, but thats a different convo for another day. Getting back to Hulk though, when Avengers Infinity War came out is when Hulk's character was completely destroyed. And he hasn't come back from that since. He was in it for about 30 seconds getting his ass whooped by Thanos and then didn't come out for the rest of the movie. I don't mind Hulk losing that fight but they could have at least made it a good fight. And I don't care what the Directors said they were trying to convey about why Hulk wasn't coming out. In the actual final product, what was shown was Hulk being scared to come out after Thanos destroyed him. Nothing in the movie hinted at the reason Hulk not coming out being because he was mad at Bruce only using him to fight. Which doesn't even make sense for Hulk even if that is what they were going for. And once again, why was Iron Man of all people able to go head up against Thanos and be the only one to make Thanos bleed? You telling me he's stronger than Hulk? He's stronger than Thor who also literally just got a power boost in his own movie? And what makes it even more disrespectful to me is how instead of bringing Hulk back out, they put him in another Iron Man suit, the Hulk buster suit, to fight against Thanos and his army at the end of the movie. Even though they showed Hulk fighting in Wakanda in the trailer (I still hate that trailer btw for doing that). As much as I love Iron Man, I gotta be honest, they gave him waaayyyy too much attention and respect than he should've got. It was to the point where many of Hulk/Banner's accomplishments were overshadowed by Iron Man, which I'll get to later. Avengers Endgame was arguably the most disrespectful when it comes to Hulk. If not the most then its definitely a toss up between Infinity War and Endgame. They tried but then fumbled heavily with Hulk's character. First he comes outta the blue as the Smart Hulk, then to make matters even worse, he didn't get not one fight scene in the movie let alone the one thing he shoulda got above everyone else. Which was a rematch against Thanos. Thor fought him about 3 or 4 times, Iron Man fought him like twice, and Cap fought him like 2 or 3 times. Even Cap got a solo fight and did a better job against Thanos and he only had the powers Thor had before he had a boost, yet Thanos destroyed Thor. And getting back to what I said about Iron Man overshadowing Hulk, the snap Hulk does was one of those moments. It was done bad. Now granted, the fact that Hulk was able to snap half the universe back to life and survive is kind of a big deal as you have to be extremely powerful to do that, but it was still overshadowed by Iron Man's snap which was cooler and more memorable to fans. Plus Hulk struggled way more to do the snap whereas Iron Man, who really shouldn't have been able to do the snap at all, didn't struggle one bit and was able to walk away for a bit before he died peacefully. He really coulda been saved but we all know it was the end of RDJ's contract so they decided to kill him off for good. That wasn't the only time that Iron Man did something to overshadow Hulk/Bruce though. He overshadowed him when he figured out time travel, even though Hulk casually just created immortality on accident, but we'll skip over that bit. He was also overshadowed when it comes to the Hulkbuster suit. Most people forget, but Banner helped create the Hulkbuster suit with Tony. He also helped make Vision and Ultron, but all of that credit usually goes to Iron Man for the most part. And the last lil bit of continued disrespect for the character was in She-Hulk. That series really doesn't need anymore acknowledgment or attention, but it must be mentioned that unsurprisingly, Hulk wasn't done well in that show either. She-Hulk gets her healing factor but Hulk doesn't? Even though she got her powers from him? It was already bad enough that the Russo's didn't give Hulk his healing factor and his arm was ruined, even though it was gamma radiation emitted from the snap, but he has to get his arm healed by his weaker cousin who literally has the same exact abilities as him? Then he goes off to Sakaar randomly and comes back with a horribly adapted version of his son. The treatment of Hulk is beyond disrespectful at this point. The biggest stain to me of the mcu is that Hulk will always be remembered as a wasted character. As big of an era as the mcu was for years, I never got to see Hulk at his best with all the other main characters at their best. He never quite had THE moment that was huge for Hulk fans to me. And now we probably won't see another epic time with Hulk until they reboot him (or if he has a fight with Wolverine in the next Deadpool movie, but honestly part of me still thinks they're gonna shit on the character).
@AttentionHorror_ same. It's so much they can do with this character that they haven't done. He really doesn't get the justice that he deserves. He's one of marvels big 3 and he deserves better. Hopefully we get a game or some animated movies or something soon. That would make things better, assuming they're actually good that is.
The thing that bothers me is that Hulk and Thor have been equals in powers for decades and sometimes Thor has been more powerful most of the time and Hulk as well
I might’ve actually been misinformed on that point. Did some more research and read some comics realizing that hulk’s pure strength isn’t enough to really take down Thanos. Not only is Thanos strong, but he’s smarter than Hulk. Which is exactly why Thanos wins so much. I was wrong to say Thanos never wins.
@@AttentionHorror_ tho Thanos does avoid the hulk because if hulk gets angry enough he could beat Thanos which is why he always tries to take down the hulk quickly like in Infinity war
616 Thanos (without the gauntlet) and 616 Hulk have never actually had a proper physical fight with an outright winner. Only people who don't actually read comics don't know this. Not only that but 616 Thanos has literally stated that he'd rather avoid having to fight the Hulk. So him getting trounced in 30 seconds was just poor writing
Hulks big shining moment at the end of infinity war where he was going to work it out out with Bruce was cut due to the film not getting enough sense of defeat.
Years ago, 2 quotes used across comics, games, tv etc were "Hulk is the strongest one there is" and "The longer Hulk fights, madder Hulk gets! The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets!" A really good place to use that is after Thanos beats Hulk, have Thanos in the final battle fight everyone (like in Endgame), then Hulk be the one to beat him - after getting mad for so long during the current fight (like all the other foes present first).
18:48 In the Russo Bros' defence here, I remember reading somewhere that they wanted Hulk's triumphant return here instead of Captain Marvel. But the brass higher up in Marvel overrode that decision and we ended up with that shitty Captain Marvel girlboss scene literally no one wanted. The Russo Brother's actually wanted it to be Hulk who returned finally and smashed his way through Thanos' fleet and then onto the Mad Titan himself! The fact we live in the timeline where we didn't get that scene is so damn heartbreaking to me. Hulk has long been my second favourite superhero for me of all-time, right behind Spider-Man. For many reasons, the Hulk has always meant so much to me. I adored The Incredible Hulk and I loved his appearance in the first Avengers film. Those films epitomise Hulk to me! Age of Ultron was okay but I agree with your assessment his neutering began here with the Hulkbuster fight. Ever since Thanos beat him, what we have now is not the Hulk. I mourn the Jade Giant and what the MCU's done to him. As a lifelong Hulk comics reader, I've seen that Professor Hulk can be written well and still feel like Hulk, but the MCU's version isn't it. All I want is another solid Hulk movie. I hated his treatment in She-Hulk (and Abomination's too!). Give me Planet Hulk and World War Hulk, but the real versions this time! Not that watered down crap we got in Ragnarok or the unrecognisable Skaar that appeared in She-Hulk (that was NOT Skaar!)
@@protag64toons2.0 well, considering the less than optimal state of the MCU currently, I wouldn't even be mad if they had to do some hoops and jumps to make WWH work. If they did it properly, it'd be better than the garbage they've been pumping out of late like The Marvels
Planet Hulk and World War Hulk are two of my favorite comics ever. The dialogue, the storyline, all of it makes the comics for me. I love hulk’s fight with the Illuminati.
I've read that the Russos didn't know what to do with Hulk and really didn't like him that much. Watching Endgame for the first time I was expecting Hulk to get supercharged from the gamma radiation but was very disappointed.
The Hulk 2003, and The Incredible Hulk 2008 were both fantastic films imo, I've been confused for over a decade on why they haven't made another stand alone movie.
Yeah I 100% agree, and it's mostly because Marvel didn't have full control of The Hulk. They didn't wasn't to have to share with Universal and vice versa.
You know I always thought hulk could beat anyone but ever since they did him dirty it makes me think anyone can beat him and he was my favorite character and u made me love the hulk again by sayin he needed to be more stronger and scarier 😊
Facts. There were moments where the Hulk was feared but you're right they sacrificed him way too much to the point he was a joke. Super Heroes stories aren't meant to be told in movies. They ruin everything trying to cram 50-60 years of hero's history into 3 movies. They're meant to be told in episodic form that way you're not merging a bunch of storylines and ruining things for the true fans who you need to keep happy.
@@AttentionHorror_ you know hulk has always been my favourite superhero since i first saw the incredible hulk as a child, really a shame how they did him
The Hulk is such an important character that even other characters outside his universe have taken inspiration from him. Take Ryan Hurst Thor in God of War Ragnarock. Ryan Hurst was heavily inspired by Hulk for his interpretation of Thor, both short tempered personality and rage, not to mention Odin treated Thor like the MCU treated Hulk pre Infinity War. To Odin Thor is just an attack dog who can destroy anything and anyone who Odin can throw at his enemies when words and schemes fail to suffice. That's how MCU Avengers treats Hulk. Both Thor and Hulk have always been more than what others saw because they have always been more than that. Great video.
16:26 “The appeal if Hulk is that he is split between two people.” I get what you’re implying but that’s not what’s happening. It’s not a split between two people, it’s the same person who is being split. The appeal of Hulk is one person with multiple personalities, hence why there’s so many versions of Hulk. Savage Hulk is just one aspect of the same person who can produce the other Hulks.
Excellent excellent video and commentary. I completely agree. Don't lose hope. All we need is better writers and a never give up strong will. The Hulk needs to once again to be rebooted until it is done right, with honor and respect. Then and only then The incredible Hulk can live forever!
Thank you for making this video. I wish Kevin Feige would watch this and realize that doing stuff like this just ruins all their chances to make more great movies. "Hulk is strongest there is" This is the core of the Hulk character, he's the embodiment of rage, the monster to Dr Frankenstein. That is the core and duality of this character. Everything else is supposed to build on those core concepts.
I went to see endgame with my pops and sister the night it came out and I remember my dad said he was disappointed they didn’t give hulk and thanos a rematch.
What's worse is that it's not even Universal's fault really, They only had the distribution rights to Solo Live Action Hulk Movies and all Marvel would have to do is ask them and even if Universal said no that just means Marvel doesn't have to work with them to make a Solo Hulk project. But the real problem was/is Disney as they've always had creative control over the entire MCU and even some stuff beyond like the Disney XD stuff which is why Earth's Mightiest Heroes and Spectacular Spider-Man along with the rest of the Yost-Verse got cancelled because they wanted synergy with the Movies and Live Action Shows but that ultimately failed. We were originally gonna get a Live action Hulk TV show directed by Guillermo del Toro who wanted to delve deep into the lore of the character and make something Truly Epic like he did with HELLBOY 1 and 2. But Kevin Feige(And by extension Disney) rejected it multiple times because he/they wouldn't have any direct control over the narrative and ultimately the show was canned in favor of others like Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D., Jessica Jones, Cloak & Dagger and Marvel Runaways. Marvel could've made a Hulk Trilogy year's ago but the fault was always on Disney because they just never let anyone cook with Hulk unless it's at his expense in favor of their current ways of thinking and we all know how that turned out. Two Shows by Disney that came out surrounding Hulk were Hulk and The Agents of S.M.A.S.H. and of course She Hulk Attorney at Law and both did eruptible Damage to the Hulk I.P. in recent memory. Agents of S.M.A.S.H. was obviously meant to cash in on Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s popularity and it was not very good whatsoever same with She Hulk. Both shows horribly handle the Hulk's character and Lore and don't even attempt to stay true to it at all. Now if you were to ask me which one is worse between the two I honestly couldn't tell you, that's how bad it is. On one hand She Hulk is just an Abomination that never ceases to enrage and belittle it's audience all while trying to be a "Funny Sitcom". And on the Other Hand Agent's of Smash has 52 episodes so it's way longer but just as painful to sit through. It's basically a bad Fantastic Four Sitcom disguised as a Hulk show and it pretty much does about what you'd expect from Modern Disney with how they've handled other television properties. So as a Hulk Fan I feel we are LONG overdue for a reboot or just something good to get this bad taste out our mouths. Hulk deserves better and so does the rest of Marvel Entertainment as a whole. My only hope right now is that X-Men 97 will pave the way for us to maybe hopefully get a revival of the 90s Hulk animated series and get some much needed proper adaptation of his comic stories. That and hopefully him showing up in Deadpool & Wolverine and maybe undoing the Whole Smart Hulk nonsense, perhaps even retconning everything from before Thor Ragnarok so we get a second chance to see a proper Live Action Hulk Trilogy or TV Show done right this time. But one can only hope.
I remember the russos saying hulk's arm was permanently damaged, and when someone mentioned hulks healing factor, they said their hulk doesn't have it or something
I'm still SO salty that they'd shot that Banner/Hulk scene for IW but instead of finishing effects and using it, they had Bruce's primary arc conclude off screen. And what happened to the Hulk personality from Ragnarok? You can argue the personalities merged but imo theres nothing in the text to suggest that. They effectively killed Hulk in a time skip. So glad someone is talking about this.
Why is this even a video? Disney Smashed The Hulk and Mark allowed it. Disney let Thanos beat Hulk into another personality type to where he started believing that toxic masculinity is real, case in point. When he saw his previous self during the Averagers 2012 fight when collecting the stones and got embarrassed... The fuck is you embarrassed about Hulk? That's you...what now toxic masculinity is real 😡 thanks Disney But it didn't stop there. This man was so defeated by the end that he allowed a woman discredit his experience as the Hulk, because apparently getting cat called was so much harder then being hunted by the goverement and military, by the end of things he was a alcoholic who regularly built his bar up and taught fucking Yoga off a cliff side... They ruined Hulk
I have never cringed as hard at anything in my life, as I did when Hulk dabbed in End Game. I hated dabbing before seeing hulk do it and they go an do this. I knew that disney were emasculating our heroes from here on out. It was a gut punch in the stomach.
I assume hulk will get annoyed with Banner and how he does thing and just stop cooperating making shit difficult for banner to stay in control, so eventually it will be kinda like an Immortal hulk situation and skaar will play a role in stopping him whenever he goes on a rampage
Edward Norton's Hulk movie had a great beginning, but it failed mainly in the end fight scenes. For a couple reasons. First the fight scenes earlier with Hulk taking on the arm and a pumped up Tim Roth was far more engaging. Tim Roth was way more entertaining, and he felt so much more interesting than a CG character. And that's the other reason, if they had done the CG scenes even a couple years later, the vfx lighting and rendering had progressed so much that it would have been night and day difference. And so ending the movie with two CG characters fighting where the CG was only passable(and I'm sure it was hell for the vfx team to pull off what they did), it just didn't feel like other marvel movies like Captain America, or Iron Man as far as the final fight scene. But despite being hard to work with, Edward Norton delivers as far as what the audience wants. I respect Mark Ruffalo, but Edward Norton is just a better hulk. He seems to be able to tap into that idea of rage, etc way better. And getting Rickson Gracie was amazing, but it's too bad no one really knew who he was except extreme fight fans, and even then his name wasn't that well known outside fighters themselves, and since then Joe Rogan talking about him got more people aware of who he was, but I remember being amazed by that scene, that not only did they manage to get him for the movie, the entire scene was great... I will say this, when Marc Ruffalo turned into the Hulk in the first couple Avengers movies he looked good, in that his facial features worked well hulked out. The Hulk didn't feel like it was Edward Norton's face but Hulked out. It just felt like some CG character, where Ruffalo, you can see it's him in Hulk form. Part of that is the technology(and money) they had on the later films, but part of it might be Edward Norton's facial features as well. Hard to know unless they used the exact same tech with Edward Norton that they used for Avengers... might have also worked out well. Hard to way...
I think they just wanted to have Abomination be on his level of strength, cause early in the film we see Tim Roth's character get smoked by Hulk, and he had enhanced strength. And yeah I like Mark Ruffalo, but Norton's passion for the character is really shows in the film. Sad to see where our Jade Giant is now.
Cool video but dude in the Ed Norton Hulk movie, the fight with the Abomination ends with Betty yelling "stop!". The hulk in the beginning of the movie and the end of the movie are two different models because they switched CG animation houses. The level of inconsistency and studio meddling hurt this movie worse than anything. Only thing they could have done better in End Game was to have hulk beat the crap out of Thanos as retribution. Universal still owns Hulk so Marvel has to tell stories around the character because they can't fully use him.
I just had a thought…. Couldn’t Bruce ask scarlet witch to use mind control powers to make hulk come out in infinity war? They were both in Wakanda at the same time sooooo…
Whats even worst is Profressor Hulk which they r trying to potray is suppose to be one of the smartest version of hulk that is st least as smart as the leader (not fully sure) and you see him being dumb in the movies and in she-hulk. Also they ignore the fact how resistant to mind control of hulk is. In ultron 2. Too much gamma and rage.
Also one thing i notice in the MCU, i feel like Hulk size is getting smaller in every new iteration. Or maybe they just so inconsistent from the beginning idk
I like that the ending for his character is the dorky hulk. And Bruce is a dork who’s afraid of losing his temper. And now he doesn’t have to worry about that. But we missed a very important and potentially entertaining story beat in those 5 years. Him learning to work with hulk. We skipped to the end and people aren’t satisfied. His story is he went from terrifying time bomb to finally working around it. But they skipped like a third of it. All we got is a deleted scene where Bruce and hulk argue and the pacing and dialogue feels off so no wonder they cut it. I truly believe people wouldn’t have a problem with prof. hulk if we got to see all of how hard it was to reach that point. I partially blame universal too for just not doing anything with hulk and causing the MCU to just neglect hulk and having to use him as a side character
That’s a fair take. We probably would enjoy professor hulk more if there was an actual payoff.. Like you said, they skipped so much in between, and now they’re paying the consequences.
Let me give you my take on his journey. I think lot of people hyper fixate on the comedy aspects of his phase 3 character arc (I will not talk about phase 1 and two because those are universally enjoyed). You take a step back and focus on the layers and not the humor you start to see this character arc from a new perspective. Throughout the mcu the Hulk has been able to wrestle with anyone from demigods, robots, and demons. Thanos shows what happens when both Bruce and Hulk face a threat that matches them in both might and brains. In Endgame, it was a matter of Bruce realizing that strength and brains alone are not going to save the day in the face of despair. The Smart Hulk was born and was able to use his strength to wield the infinity stones, and his intellect to build the gauntlet and use them in the first place. While everyone was depressed after the snap, it was Bruce who ended being a lot better off than he was before in his very depressed state. The best part people do not realize is there was still much to tell about the Hulk even after his arc as professor Hulk. I could definitely go into much more detail about it, but I do not want to over do it just yet.
I really hate what the MCU has done to Hulk. Also, Hulk quit the Avengers after two issues, and all the recent movies, cartoons, and video games completely missed the point of that.
I read comics. Thanos has beaten the breaks off of Hulk multiple times bro. Edit: just read more comments. Good on you for admitting you were misinformed here. I agree with the rest of the video though. This is quality content.
If you can find a version of the 2008 movie with the deleted scenes edited back in, it becomes a much better movie in terms of characters and writing. At least for me it does.
I only enjoyed MCU Hulk in Incredible Hulk and Avengers 1. I hated what they did to him in Avengers 2, Thor Ragnarok, Avengers Infinity War and Endgame. How they ruined Hulk was part of the reason I hated movies like Avengers Age of Ultron, Thor Ragnarok and it becoming part of the reason I gave up being a fan of Marvel. Not just the films, but the entire franchise in general.
I thought I was the only one that felt Hulk evolved into a weak buffoon. He at least deserved a rematch with Thanos to make up for the previous silly versions
I have a pretty good theory about this. The hulk gets more powerful the angrier he gets. So a less angry hulk is weaker. Bruce has become more stable and less angry as time went on because he isn't at war with the Hulk anymore, and he accpets that side of him. So it's understandable that he is less strong. 💪
amazing video, ive felt this for a while, new hulk did get a little inspired by the incredible but no where near the same level, edward brought depth both in banner and in hulk flaws and all
they basically sabotaged norton. he wanted to make it better. so instead of just not allowing him they gave him little time instead. honestly their disgusting. its more seen now than it ever was back then, because current disney😂😂. almost entirely trash and "the message"
The hulk has and always will be my favorite fictional character off all time and the 2008 hulk was amazing, i really enjoyed that movie and also somewhat liked the first avengers movie version but everything after was really really bad. What i really loved about the 2008 version is that he was a monster, he was a rage filled monster who was stoic and monsterous, while in avengers one he was more like a really powerfull baby which sucks. #Justicefor Hulk.
I have this crazy theory that they nerfed and relegated Hulk more and more because Hulk inherently represents masculinity: both toxic masculinity (anger, solving everything with violence, in the comics he even appears possesive of some people and of the "body" Banner and him share) and also positive masculinity (strenght and toughness used to help and save others, to "man up" enduring/channeling your trauma and negative emotions towards positive goals, being protective of the weak and innocent like puppies and children). In current year it's obvious that Disney hates all those qualities (both negative and positive), and tries to replace "manly" males by just genderswapping them (She-Hulk is all that's wrong with Hulk but presented as if she was instead better, the forgotten Ironheart substitute to Iron Man, The Marvels and how infamously internet predicted they'd try to make Captain Marvel a lesbian in that last-minute deleted scene...). Hulk being not only manliness but indomitability and rebellion incarnate, it's very opposite to both what Disney wants to represent and what it really represents (greed, hypocresy and doing anything to make more cash while trying to appear in the most socially-acceptable light possible) and the company doesn't want the fandom to self-identify nor with the masculinity of Hulk neither with his thirst for freedom. But it's probably because his solo movie made the least money or something like that.
I'm going to go a step further and say the Russos *and* the screenwriters actively HATE Hulk. There's too much opportunity with him they blatantly side stepped for me to believe it's purely incompetence or "not knowing what to do" with him.
They neutered him because they didn’t own the distribution rights to the character at the time and also because he was an incredibly masculine, powerful character in the modern feminist time, ever that was a bad thing.
Sorry but Hollywood studios must follow their given scripts that shapes society and current agendas… with that said, expect the Hulk to be wearing a N95 face mask in the next Marvel movie!
@@AttentionHorror_ Yes! Hulk going though Avengers like paper would look so cool. There could be maybe even a room Wolverine cameo. But they wasted the potential of the character and now he is a green dad. I always like the first Hulk's design. Muscles waving under a thing layer of fat and skin, that bushy hair, and the big feet. He looked cool, athletic, powerful. And while people would argue that Ruffalo's is more realistic, a body builder figure. Hulk moves quite a lot, runs and jumps. Lean athletic body feels appropriate as well. Also, fat cells can not multiply, as far as I know. That is also an argument for leaner muscles. And I like that he was so different from Banner! Hulk was based on the Jekyll and Hyde story. So he should be different! It is ironic, a man can grow twice his height and 8 times his body mass out of nowhere, it's fine. But the face must be the same...or it is unrealistic.
I was actually rather irritated with the MCU as a whole, i think 3 or 4 movies in, i still enjoyed them for a little while longer, but earths mightiest heroes and avengers assemble were just leagues better. Not to mention, i cannot stand the black panther, the live action movie is absolute garbage, i felt really sad when i saw it considering i love the black panthers character in EMH and AA. I haven't actually finished the MCU, i think i completely gassed out by the time infinity wars released, i didn't watch it.
That’s understandable. Hopefully you’ve been able to find enjoyment in other things like Invincible or The Boys. Lots of stuff out there to get your fix on really good superhero stories.
Hulk on Thor Ragnarok was terrible. First off Thor ask Hulk for Help and Hulk was being mean to Thor and Hulk was trying to killed Thor and he also is super dumb. Hulk tells Thor you banner friend ever thought Thor and Banner haven't really talk that much.
Also the Russo brothers have a fetish for captain America they didn’t give a fuck about any other character development but cap and his story they should never direct a superhero based film again
That’s not even true. They wrapped up Ironman, the Shield assassins, Falcon, War Machine, Black Panther, Thor, the Guardians, Fury, Doc Strange in 2 movies. The only one they truly nerfed was Hulk and that’s the only criticism I have. The Russos did the majority of the characters better than any other director in the MCU so far. I’d say James Gunn but he only gets the Guardians.
Abomination although a nemsis of Hulk fell into the tropes of Phase 1. Every hero fought an evil version of himself. Ironman had Stane in his own suit, Thor had Loki, and Cap had Red Skull (who is kinda the same…a nazi super fighter). So no Abomination was not so awesome. By far the best Hulk was in Avengers 1. Was very cool in Thor 3 too. Hulk in the comics at the time could be childlike which was fairly accurate and the fight scenes here and Avengers 1 was his best. He was also nerfed because of Universal’s rights. Why make a character the ultimate bad-ass if you don’t have complete control over him.
That trope did get repetitive, but I think they just wanted to be comic accurate with a lot of the characters back then. But yeah Avengers 1 Hulk is 10/10.
19:58 okay also you're wrong on She-Hulk it's one of like 3 good Marvel D+ shows you can't be mad that it's not something it's not trying to be. You can be mad they didn't make Hulk 2 but it's not fair to hold that against a different show with different intentions.
I’m just not happy with how they utilized Hulk in the series. I’m not saying they should’ve made it all about him, I would’ve preferred they kept him out. And it’s sad that we have to say “it’s one of the good shitty shows that they’ve made”. We deserve so much more
Yeah I really didn't like that plot line, cause they never pay it off by showing us how he works it out with Hulk. Until we just see him in Endgame. The deleted scene would have been amazing in the film.
18:28 While I agree with just avout everything you say about the assassination of the Hulk, you're wrong that Hulk doesn't get his revenge. Undoing The Snap is the best revenge on IW Thanos he could have. It just sucks that at the end if the day it's really Banner getting revenge for The Hulk who he murdered between films.
You’re right, you could say he gets his revenge with the snap, but it’s not fully what I wanted. Hulk was beaten within mere seconds against Thanos, I just wanted to see Hulk get some hits on him at the end.
The Hulk is so weak in the current mcu. It really ruined the live-action experience for me. 2003 Hulk and 2008 Hulk were the best in my opinion. Hulk also keeps getting smaller and smaller instead of getting bigger the angier he gets. 2003 was 9ft, 12ft, and 15 ft at his angriest. 2008 Hulk was a decent 9ft tall so he still had a scary presence but lacked abilities from the previous Hulk movie. Mcu savage Hulk is 8ft 5in and smart Hulk is barely a Hulk at 7ft 5in. He is about the size of a very large wrestler like giant gonzalez.
Man, you need to be honest with yourself. Disney Marvel will never be able to make a good Hulk film. Their whole PC wet noodle world view is antithetical to the very essence of the Hulk. He's not allowed to be angry because angry = bad, violence = bad, ergo Hulk = bad. Hulk shines best when he ferrociously triumphs, and Disney Marvel hasn't the balls to make the Hulk triumph fuelled by anger.
Okay I have a lot of things to say about this topic. Because I read Hulk's comics on a monthly basis. And have been for the past 8 years. The criticisms I hear from fans is understandable but sometimes I stumble across critiques on Mark Ruffalo's Hulk that makes no sense and come off as like someone's never read a Hulk comic in their life. I have a lot positives and negatives for how Bruce and Hulk have been portrayed by Norton and Ruffalo. Personally, I think Ruffalo plays a much better Bruce Banner than Norton. Norton's Bruce Banner came off as a very smart guy that was desperate to get rid of something inside of him. While Ruffalo's Bruce Banner came off as not only a genius in his craft, but also a man trying his best to hide something from everyone. Ruffalo nails the introverted awkwardness of Bruce Banner, but also looks like a guy that could snap at any moment. Especially if you look back at The Avengers 2012 film. The way he acts as Bruce is more inline with the comics. As for the Hulk himself, Ruffalo's Hulk is much better as well. Ruffalo's design of Hulk is more accurate to the comics as well, except for the green eyes. It irritates me that Ruffalo's Hulk still has brown eyes, instead of green. But everything else about his design is comic accurate. The height, the physique, the oger-like face and even his posture is all comic accurate. While I adore Norton's Hulk design, for it being a scarier design. But Ruffalo's Hulk just looks and feels like the Hulk has been ripped out of a comic, and the VFX make his Hulk more realistic than Norton's. The next thing I want to mention is something extremely dumb from the fanbase. A lot of people honestly believe that Norton's Hulk is stronger than Ruffalo's😂. Norton's Hulk struggled massively against the US Military and was dominated throughout most of his fight with Abomination. Meanwhile Ruffalo's Hulk literally killed a Chitauri Leviathan with one punch, speed blitzed through the Chitauri army, ragdolled Thor and Loki, destroyed half a city while ripping the Hulkbuster to shreds, no-diffed Ultron, undefeated as the Grand Master's Champion on Sakaar, mid-diffed Fenris, stunned Surtur in his final form, resurrected half of the universe while only suffering a burnt arm, and can yeet gigantic boulders into the stratosphere faster than the speed of sound. My negatives I have with Ruffalo's portrayal of Bruce and Hulk is mainly the writing. His version of the Hulk does not get enough screentime and is overshadowed by other characters. If Marvel Studios still can't make a Hulk film, then at least have Mark Ruffalo be the star of the next Avengers movie and have Bruce Banner and Hulk as the main characters in the movie.
You make a lot of good points. I guess what I like most about Norton’s portrayal is that he seems a lot more ruthless, and that may be because of the movie being centered towards him. But at the same time, you’re right, Ruffalo’s Hulk puts in work once he takes over. You also might be right about the writing. It’s a lot of the time lackluster and with his little screen time it doesn’t help his case. All I know is, this character deserves a lot better.
@@AttentionHorror_ Another thing I'd like to mention is everyone's obsession about a World War Hulk movie. As a life long Hulk fan it sucks that a lot of fanbase think that World War Hulk is the Hulk's only great story for the MCU to adapt. While I don't mind a movie heavily inspired by World War Hulk (cus it's also one of my favorite stories), I still believe that Bruce and Hulk's characterizations can be done much better if Marvel Studios takes inspiration from Hulk's recent runs. The Immortal Hulk (Al Ewing & Joe Bennett), Smashtronaut (Donny Cates & Ryan Ottley), and The Age Of Monsters (Philip K. Johnson & Nick Klein). These three runs have been back to back to back bangers. And these are runs which would massively improve the characterizations of Bruce and Hulk. Also these runs would allow Mark Ruffalo to really flex his acting skills to show different sides of Bruce Banner. Whenever he's scared, angry, depressed, happy or even acting like a complete asshole to other supporting characters or even to the Hulk himself. These three runs perfectly shows the different sides of Bruce. As for the Hulk, these three runs showcases his character very well while also displaying his godlike power. Ryan Ottley does an AMAZING job at drawing Hulk's fights in the Smashtronaut run. Nick Klein and Joe Bennett both do an amazing job at showcasing body horror and monster designs. In my opinion, Ryan Ottley is now recently my favorite Hulk artist ever
One of the reasons I personally like Nortons banner was that he was a survivor learned multiple languages knew martial art skills enough to defend himself and he's ability to run from the ops, the lesson he takes to calm himself. I don't read the comics but that to me felt real seeing the pain he goes through, you understood why he wanted to get rid of the hulk and was afraid of the power being used as a weapon. Both of the actors I think are great but got a different take Ruffalo's is a lot more nervous on edge and leans a lot more in the scientist while I think Norton's is more confident while smart but most of the hate from Ruffalo's part I imagine is his hulk becoming more of a joke after the first avenger while Norton didn't have a chance to become that we know the reason he was booted is because he a wanted a more dark serious tone emphasizing the hulk struggle more and with he's passion I find it hard to believe we'd get what we have now which is why many respect him. As far as the hulk is concerned again, he was scarier in a way but i don't see people saying he's the strongest but like the fact the angrier he gets the stronger he becomes makes up intensity and the OfCourse the iconic thunderclap. Another mention is at the end of incredible hulk you see him willingly turn he's eyes to green as he stopped trying to get rid and push away the hulk
@@philipshenton6677What was the point of replying with this? If you're not interested in what they have to say, just ignore the comment and move on lmao.
Where the fuck did you pull this from? The most masculine and respectable dude is Captain America. Hulk isn’t an embodiment of masculinity, if he was that sounds like something no reasonable man should be - Hulk is rage, pure violence and also really fucking dumb at times. The point of Hulk isn’t anything to do with masculinity, it’s Banner trying to reconcile 2 completely different people holding his body.
They used to have such a great formula for these movies until endgame..they just did what they needed to,to make the best marvel movie they could,then it all just changed..its heartbreaking..i had such high hopes for where this was going and now its just a mess...its also incredibly disrespectful to all the people that put all the time and effort to make marvel what it was,just to let it become somebodies political vanity nonsenses..its gonna be funny in five or ten years when people are looking forward to dc's movies and avoiding marvel..and nobody helped dc do it more than marvel themselves
I’ve been saying for the past year or few that DC is gonna take over. I’m confident in James Gunn. The guy made some of my favorite MCU movies not to mention The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, etc. He knows what he’s doing. DC is in good hands.
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We all miss Savage Hulk. Not a jolly green joke.
Exactly, hopefully "The Incredible Hulk" will make a return some day.
@@AttentionHorror_ Maybe in the secret wars film.
There’s a 98% chance of him being in Deadpool & Wolverine, there’s leaks and scripts that are basically confirmed he’s in it
@@weedherm6046 Yeah, they probably will do that then.
@@mikediaz2359 That would be cool
who did hulk smash in the mcu, skar didn't come out of nowhere
😂 True, hopefully they will do it like the comics and say he had a wife on Sakaar. If so then his baby momma could be Caiera, who was also a fighter in the Grandmasters games.
I disagree. Hulk is my favorite character. They have destroyed him. Please reboot
This is what pisses me off. Skaar has a great origin in the comics and is a great character. But in the MCU, he's a total joke.
Hulk smashed Gamora....🥒🥝
@@LuxBellator92 Yep, they are trying to make a Hulk sitcom with She Hulk for some reason.
Hulk in avengers is treated the same way as the flash in justice league
That actually might be the best comparison I’ve heard. I’d have to go through and watch them back to back, but it sounds right..
It's because of bad casting and bad writing.
which one?
I don’t know if it’s me but the hulk in the first avengers film looked really real and detailed almost like it wasn’t cgi. from then on it was just not good.
He did look really good
They stopped caring. Money trumps quality anymore
I definitely disagree he looked awful.
Just you. He looked great in all the movies.
we need a real hulk
Yeah 2003 Hulk
Eric Bana as Hulk or Edward Norton….. and have it like Hulk would grow to such a large size as an angry and unstoppable monster….. yet a detailed enough storyline where, Bruce Banner has some very deep and personal layers to him
@@unclebuddy1040 Definitely Edward Norton but with Eric Bana Hulk skin and height also transform into Joe Fix-It aka Grey Hulk.
They managed to kill the hulk without even killing him off 😂😂
Ed Norton was right about marvel
I've always said, Hulk's best appearance was in Avengers 1. He went downhill after that. 2008 Hulk was cool as a start, but he was kinda weak. While he wasn't terrible in Avengers 2, he still wasn't handled quite right. I had an issue with that Hulk vs Hulk buster fight too. Why is Iron Man able to go head up against Thor and Hulk? But then loses to Cap and Bucky. And outside of that fight, what meaningful moment did he have? I also didn't love that they tried to pair Banner with Natasha either outta the blue only to not follow through with it. Almost like they knew they weren't gonna really make them a thing. Then it felt even worse when they finally reunited only to just ignore the whole thing and not acknowledge it.
I was happy to finally see him again in Ragnarok with Thor no less. I still remember seeing the first trailer. It seemed really lighthearted in tone, which I wasn't a huge fane of, but seeing Hulk with a fresh haircut about to go up against Surtur was mind blowing. If you remember, they ended the trailer with that epic shot of Hulk jumping up at Surtur about to clash with him. Plus Thor and Hulk were gonna get a rematch so I thought we'd be in for a real good time when it came to Hulk's stuff at least. Unfortunately, I was heavily disappointed. The fight with Thor was terribly underwhelming, and there wasn't even a fight at all with Surtur. The tone of the movie was too silly, and Hulk and Thor were turned into jokes. Both of their storylines from the comics were terribly adapted. The Planet Hulk storyline and the Ragnarok storyline. People really liked it though. I can see how they would like it if it was any other movie because it had some funny parts, but as a Thor and Hulk movie? No, it wasn't that good. Ironically people DIDN'T like Thor Love and Thunder for the same exact reasons that they DID like Ragnarok. Never understood why fans didn't expect that movie to be just as silly, but thats a different convo for another day.
Getting back to Hulk though, when Avengers Infinity War came out is when Hulk's character was completely destroyed. And he hasn't come back from that since. He was in it for about 30 seconds getting his ass whooped by Thanos and then didn't come out for the rest of the movie. I don't mind Hulk losing that fight but they could have at least made it a good fight. And I don't care what the Directors said they were trying to convey about why Hulk wasn't coming out. In the actual final product, what was shown was Hulk being scared to come out after Thanos destroyed him. Nothing in the movie hinted at the reason Hulk not coming out being because he was mad at Bruce only using him to fight. Which doesn't even make sense for Hulk even if that is what they were going for. And once again, why was Iron Man of all people able to go head up against Thanos and be the only one to make Thanos bleed? You telling me he's stronger than Hulk? He's stronger than Thor who also literally just got a power boost in his own movie? And what makes it even more disrespectful to me is how instead of bringing Hulk back out, they put him in another Iron Man suit, the Hulk buster suit, to fight against Thanos and his army at the end of the movie. Even though they showed Hulk fighting in Wakanda in the trailer (I still hate that trailer btw for doing that). As much as I love Iron Man, I gotta be honest, they gave him waaayyyy too much attention and respect than he should've got. It was to the point where many of Hulk/Banner's accomplishments were overshadowed by Iron Man, which I'll get to later.
Avengers Endgame was arguably the most disrespectful when it comes to Hulk. If not the most then its definitely a toss up between Infinity War and Endgame. They tried but then fumbled heavily with Hulk's character. First he comes outta the blue as the Smart Hulk, then to make matters even worse, he didn't get not one fight scene in the movie let alone the one thing he shoulda got above everyone else. Which was a rematch against Thanos. Thor fought him about 3 or 4 times, Iron Man fought him like twice, and Cap fought him like 2 or 3 times. Even Cap got a solo fight and did a better job against Thanos and he only had the powers Thor had before he had a boost, yet Thanos destroyed Thor. And getting back to what I said about Iron Man overshadowing Hulk, the snap Hulk does was one of those moments. It was done bad. Now granted, the fact that Hulk was able to snap half the universe back to life and survive is kind of a big deal as you have to be extremely powerful to do that, but it was still overshadowed by Iron Man's snap which was cooler and more memorable to fans. Plus Hulk struggled way more to do the snap whereas Iron Man, who really shouldn't have been able to do the snap at all, didn't struggle one bit and was able to walk away for a bit before he died peacefully. He really coulda been saved but we all know it was the end of RDJ's contract so they decided to kill him off for good. That wasn't the only time that Iron Man did something to overshadow Hulk/Bruce though. He overshadowed him when he figured out time travel, even though Hulk casually just created immortality on accident, but we'll skip over that bit. He was also overshadowed when it comes to the Hulkbuster suit. Most people forget, but Banner helped create the Hulkbuster suit with Tony. He also helped make Vision and Ultron, but all of that credit usually goes to Iron Man for the most part.
And the last lil bit of continued disrespect for the character was in She-Hulk. That series really doesn't need anymore acknowledgment or attention, but it must be mentioned that unsurprisingly, Hulk wasn't done well in that show either. She-Hulk gets her healing factor but Hulk doesn't? Even though she got her powers from him? It was already bad enough that the Russo's didn't give Hulk his healing factor and his arm was ruined, even though it was gamma radiation emitted from the snap, but he has to get his arm healed by his weaker cousin who literally has the same exact abilities as him? Then he goes off to Sakaar randomly and comes back with a horribly adapted version of his son.
The treatment of Hulk is beyond disrespectful at this point. The biggest stain to me of the mcu is that Hulk will always be remembered as a wasted character. As big of an era as the mcu was for years, I never got to see Hulk at his best with all the other main characters at their best. He never quite had THE moment that was huge for Hulk fans to me. And now we probably won't see another epic time with Hulk until they reboot him (or if he has a fight with Wolverine in the next Deadpool movie, but honestly part of me still thinks they're gonna shit on the character).
I agree with just about everything you said. Couldn’t have said it any better. Glad to see so many people care about this character the way I do.
@AttentionHorror_ same. It's so much they can do with this character that they haven't done. He really doesn't get the justice that he deserves. He's one of marvels big 3 and he deserves better. Hopefully we get a game or some animated movies or something soon. That would make things better, assuming they're actually good that is.
The thing that bothers me is that Hulk and Thor have been equals in powers for decades and sometimes Thor has been more powerful most of the time and Hulk as well
Thanos in the comics has never lost a fight to Hulk
I might’ve actually been misinformed on that point. Did some more research and read some comics realizing that hulk’s pure strength isn’t enough to really take down Thanos. Not only is Thanos strong, but he’s smarter than Hulk. Which is exactly why Thanos wins so much.
I was wrong to say Thanos never wins.
@@AttentionHorror_ tho Thanos does avoid the hulk because if hulk gets angry enough he could beat Thanos which is why he always tries to take down the hulk quickly like in Infinity war
@@ljthehedgehog2342 Yeah, sadly they haven't really even shown The Hulk getting stronger/bigger in the MCU.
616 Thanos (without the gauntlet) and 616 Hulk have never actually had a proper physical fight with an outright winner. Only people who don't actually read comics don't know this. Not only that but 616 Thanos has literally stated that he'd rather avoid having to fight the Hulk. So him getting trounced in 30 seconds was just poor writing
@@AttentionHorror_ stronger yes bigger no In ragnorok hulk was getting angrier and he hasn't gotten bigger
I have always thought myself that Hulk got flanderized as time goes on.
Hulks big shining moment at the end of infinity war where he was going to work it out out with Bruce was cut due to the film not getting enough sense of defeat.
Could you review Hulk 2003?
By the way, nice video. Good that Hulk is getting appreciation
He's been Worf Effected to an afterthought.
Years ago, 2 quotes used across comics, games, tv etc were "Hulk is the strongest one there is" and "The longer Hulk fights, madder Hulk gets! The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets!" A really good place to use that is after Thanos beats Hulk, have Thanos in the final battle fight everyone (like in Endgame), then Hulk be the one to beat him - after getting mad for so long during the current fight (like all the other foes present first).
Look at what they've done to my boy. 2003 hulk and 2008 hulk wouldn't tolerate that disrespect.
That's what I'm saying, it's a sad time to be a Hulk fan.
18:48 In the Russo Bros' defence here, I remember reading somewhere that they wanted Hulk's triumphant return here instead of Captain Marvel. But the brass higher up in Marvel overrode that decision and we ended up with that shitty Captain Marvel girlboss scene literally no one wanted. The Russo Brother's actually wanted it to be Hulk who returned finally and smashed his way through Thanos' fleet and then onto the Mad Titan himself! The fact we live in the timeline where we didn't get that scene is so damn heartbreaking to me.
Hulk has long been my second favourite superhero for me of all-time, right behind Spider-Man. For many reasons, the Hulk has always meant so much to me. I adored The Incredible Hulk and I loved his appearance in the first Avengers film. Those films epitomise Hulk to me! Age of Ultron was okay but I agree with your assessment his neutering began here with the Hulkbuster fight. Ever since Thanos beat him, what we have now is not the Hulk.
I mourn the Jade Giant and what the MCU's done to him. As a lifelong Hulk comics reader, I've seen that Professor Hulk can be written well and still feel like Hulk, but the MCU's version isn't it.
All I want is another solid Hulk movie. I hated his treatment in She-Hulk (and Abomination's too!). Give me Planet Hulk and World War Hulk, but the real versions this time! Not that watered down crap we got in Ragnarok or the unrecognisable Skaar that appeared in She-Hulk (that was NOT Skaar!)
World war hulk is quite impossible to make cause how is this gonna fit in with what the mcu timeline we are in right now
@@protag64toons2.0 well, considering the less than optimal state of the MCU currently, I wouldn't even be mad if they had to do some hoops and jumps to make WWH work. If they did it properly, it'd be better than the garbage they've been pumping out of late like The Marvels
Planet Hulk and World War Hulk are two of my favorite comics ever. The dialogue, the storyline, all of it makes the comics for me. I love hulk’s fight with the Illuminati.
I've read that the Russos didn't know what to do with Hulk and really didn't like him that much.
Watching Endgame for the first time I was expecting Hulk to get supercharged from the gamma radiation but was very disappointed.
The Hulk 2003, and The Incredible Hulk 2008 were both fantastic films imo, I've been confused for over a decade on why they haven't made another stand alone movie.
Yeah I 100% agree, and it's mostly because Marvel didn't have full control of The Hulk. They didn't wasn't to have to share with Universal and vice versa.
@@AttentionHorror_ ah you right
You know I always thought hulk could beat anyone but ever since they did him dirty it makes me think anyone can beat him and he was my favorite character and u made me love the hulk again by sayin he needed to be more stronger and scarier 😊
Yeah Iron-Man won way to easily, that kind of says it all. And I'm glad I could help you love The Hulk again.
@@AttentionHorror_ you’re right about how Ironman defeated the hulk so easily and by the way thank you
Facts. There were moments where the Hulk was feared but you're right they sacrificed him way too much to the point he was a joke. Super Heroes stories aren't meant to be told in movies. They ruin everything trying to cram 50-60 years of hero's history into 3 movies. They're meant to be told in episodic form that way you're not merging a bunch of storylines and ruining things for the true fans who you need to keep happy.
very good video, i really don't understand how you only got 51 subscribers??
Really appreciate that! A lot more videos to come.
@@AttentionHorror_ you know hulk has always been my favourite superhero since i first saw the incredible hulk as a child, really a shame how they did him
The Hulk is such an important character that even other characters outside his universe have taken inspiration from him. Take Ryan Hurst Thor in God of War Ragnarock. Ryan Hurst was heavily inspired by Hulk for his interpretation of Thor, both short tempered personality and rage, not to mention Odin treated Thor like the MCU treated Hulk pre Infinity War. To Odin Thor is just an attack dog who can destroy anything and anyone who Odin can throw at his enemies when words and schemes fail to suffice. That's how MCU Avengers treats Hulk. Both Thor and Hulk have always been more than what others saw because they have always been more than that. Great video.
Thor is one of my favorite characters in God of War Ragnarok, and yeah I can see where he may have drawn inspiration from the hulk.
16:26 “The appeal if Hulk is that he is split between two people.”
I get what you’re implying but that’s not what’s happening. It’s not a split between two people, it’s the same person who is being split.
The appeal of Hulk is one person with multiple personalities, hence why there’s so many versions of Hulk. Savage Hulk is just one aspect of the same person who can produce the other Hulks.
Excellent excellent video and commentary. I completely agree. Don't lose hope. All we need is better writers and a never give up strong will. The Hulk needs to once again to be rebooted until it is done right, with honor and respect. Then and only then The incredible Hulk can live forever!
Thanks man, means a lot. And a reboot would work wonders on this character.
2003 was my favorite Hulk. So underrated and i miss it
Definitely a classic, it was my favorite growing up. Well that and the Animated Hulk series.
Thank you for making this video. I wish Kevin Feige would watch this and realize that doing stuff like this just ruins all their chances to make more great movies. "Hulk is strongest there is" This is the core of the Hulk character, he's the embodiment of rage, the monster to Dr Frankenstein. That is the core and duality of this character. Everything else is supposed to build on those core concepts.
I went to see endgame with my pops and sister the night it came out and I remember my dad said he was disappointed they didn’t give hulk and thanos a rematch.
Exactly, also W pops.
What's worse is that it's not even Universal's fault really, They only had the distribution rights to Solo Live Action Hulk Movies and all Marvel would have to do is ask them and even if Universal said no that just means Marvel doesn't have to work with them to make a Solo Hulk project. But the real problem was/is Disney as they've always had creative control over the entire MCU and even some stuff beyond like the Disney XD stuff which is why Earth's Mightiest Heroes and Spectacular Spider-Man along with the rest of the Yost-Verse got cancelled because they wanted synergy with the Movies and Live Action Shows but that ultimately failed. We were originally gonna get a Live action Hulk TV show directed by Guillermo del Toro who wanted to delve deep into the lore of the character and make something Truly Epic like he did with HELLBOY 1 and 2. But Kevin Feige(And by extension Disney) rejected it multiple times because he/they wouldn't have any direct control over the narrative and ultimately the show was canned in favor of others like Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D., Jessica Jones, Cloak & Dagger and Marvel Runaways. Marvel could've made a Hulk Trilogy year's ago but the fault was always on Disney because they just never let anyone cook with Hulk unless it's at his expense in favor of their current ways of thinking and we all know how that turned out. Two Shows by Disney that came out surrounding Hulk were Hulk and The Agents of S.M.A.S.H. and of course She Hulk Attorney at Law and both did eruptible Damage to the Hulk I.P. in recent memory. Agents of S.M.A.S.H. was obviously meant to cash in on Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s popularity and it was not very good whatsoever same with She Hulk. Both shows horribly handle the Hulk's character and Lore and don't even attempt to stay true to it at all. Now if you were to ask me which one is worse between the two I honestly couldn't tell you, that's how bad it is. On one hand She Hulk is just an Abomination that never ceases to enrage and belittle it's audience all while trying to be a "Funny Sitcom". And on the Other Hand Agent's of Smash has 52 episodes so it's way longer but just as painful to sit through. It's basically a bad Fantastic Four Sitcom disguised as a Hulk show and it pretty much does about what you'd expect from Modern Disney with how they've handled other television properties. So as a Hulk Fan I feel we are LONG overdue for a reboot or just something good to get this bad taste out our mouths. Hulk deserves better and so does the rest of Marvel Entertainment as a whole. My only hope right now is that X-Men 97 will pave the way for us to maybe hopefully get a revival of the 90s Hulk animated series and get some much needed proper adaptation of his comic stories. That and hopefully him showing up in Deadpool & Wolverine and maybe undoing the Whole Smart Hulk nonsense, perhaps even retconning everything from before Thor Ragnarok so we get a second chance to see a proper Live Action Hulk Trilogy or TV Show done right this time. But one can only hope.
World War Hulk vs The Sentry on the big screen would have been amazing.
1000%
I remember the russos saying hulk's arm was permanently damaged, and when someone mentioned hulks healing factor, they said their hulk doesn't have it or something
Crazy….
I'm still SO salty that they'd shot that Banner/Hulk scene for IW but instead of finishing effects and using it, they had Bruce's primary arc conclude off screen. And what happened to the Hulk personality from Ragnarok? You can argue the personalities merged but imo theres nothing in the text to suggest that. They effectively killed Hulk in a time skip. So glad someone is talking about this.
So frustrating they went this route
Why is this even a video? Disney Smashed The Hulk and Mark allowed it. Disney let Thanos beat Hulk into another personality type to where he started believing that toxic masculinity is real, case in point.
When he saw his previous self during the Averagers 2012 fight when collecting the stones and got embarrassed... The fuck is you embarrassed about Hulk? That's you...what now toxic masculinity is real 😡 thanks Disney
But it didn't stop there. This man was so defeated by the end that he allowed a woman discredit his experience as the Hulk, because apparently getting cat called was so much harder then being hunted by the goverement and military, by the end of things he was a alcoholic who regularly built his bar up and taught fucking Yoga off a cliff side... They ruined Hulk
I have never cringed as hard at anything in my life, as I did when Hulk dabbed in End Game. I hated dabbing before seeing hulk do it and they go an do this.
I knew that disney were emasculating our heroes from here on out. It was a gut punch in the stomach.
10 views in 5 hours? Now that just ain't right.
I think TH-cam heard you...😶
All they needed to do was brjng in the Leader to antagonize the Hulk which would then lead to Maestro eventually
I assume hulk will get annoyed with Banner and how he does thing and just stop cooperating making shit difficult for banner to stay in control, so eventually it will be kinda like an Immortal hulk situation and skaar will play a role in stopping him whenever he goes on a rampage
LOL, Hulk is the literal embodiment of masculine rage and vitality, of course the MCU would rather neuter him as opposed to exploring the character🤣
Bro could’ve been one of the top MCU characters. Now he’s not even in the top 10 or even 20
He used to be a LAD.
While I agree the Hulk is mistreated but why do y'all always have to bring race into everything
@@darkgaming8883
Nothing has been edited and literally nobody said anything about Race.
@@Melina_Evarblume_Seelie i meant sex my bad
Edward Norton's Hulk movie had a great beginning, but it failed mainly in the end fight scenes. For a couple reasons. First the fight scenes earlier with Hulk taking on the arm and a pumped up Tim Roth was far more engaging. Tim Roth was way more entertaining, and he felt so much more interesting than a CG character. And that's the other reason, if they had done the CG scenes even a couple years later, the vfx lighting and rendering had progressed so much that it would have been night and day difference. And so ending the movie with two CG characters fighting where the CG was only passable(and I'm sure it was hell for the vfx team to pull off what they did), it just didn't feel like other marvel movies like Captain America, or Iron Man as far as the final fight scene.
But despite being hard to work with, Edward Norton delivers as far as what the audience wants. I respect Mark Ruffalo, but Edward Norton is just a better hulk. He seems to be able to tap into that idea of rage, etc way better. And getting Rickson Gracie was amazing, but it's too bad no one really knew who he was except extreme fight fans, and even then his name wasn't that well known outside fighters themselves, and since then Joe Rogan talking about him got more people aware of who he was, but I remember being amazed by that scene, that not only did they manage to get him for the movie, the entire scene was great...
I will say this, when Marc Ruffalo turned into the Hulk in the first couple Avengers movies he looked good, in that his facial features worked well hulked out. The Hulk didn't feel like it was Edward Norton's face but Hulked out. It just felt like some CG character, where Ruffalo, you can see it's him in Hulk form. Part of that is the technology(and money) they had on the later films, but part of it might be Edward Norton's facial features as well. Hard to know unless they used the exact same tech with Edward Norton that they used for Avengers... might have also worked out well. Hard to way...
I think they just wanted to have Abomination be on his level of strength, cause early in the film we see Tim Roth's character get smoked by Hulk, and he had enhanced strength. And yeah I like Mark Ruffalo, but Norton's passion for the character is really shows in the film. Sad to see where our Jade Giant is now.
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The Black Widow and Hulk romance deserved better. So shut up.
I agree, they deserved better.
Cool video but dude in the Ed Norton Hulk movie, the fight with the Abomination ends with Betty yelling "stop!". The hulk in the beginning of the movie and the end of the movie are two different models because they switched CG animation houses. The level of inconsistency and studio meddling hurt this movie worse than anything. Only thing they could have done better in End Game was to have hulk beat the crap out of Thanos as retribution. Universal still owns Hulk so Marvel has to tell stories around the character because they can't fully use him.
Hulk fell victim to the Worf Effect. I have seen it all now.
is he hulk because he’s the strongest, or is he the strongest because he’s hulk ?
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He's basically just Mark Ruffalo now
I miss Eric bana as the Hulk
Yeah very underrated Hulk.
I just had a thought…. Couldn’t Bruce ask scarlet witch to use mind control powers to make hulk come out in infinity war? They were both in Wakanda at the same time sooooo…
That would be really interesting
Whats even worst is Profressor Hulk which they r trying to potray is suppose to be one of the smartest version of hulk that is st least as smart as the leader (not fully sure) and you see him being dumb in the movies and in she-hulk.
Also they ignore the fact how resistant to mind control of hulk is. In ultron 2. Too much gamma and rage.
Also one thing i notice in the MCU, i feel like Hulk size is getting smaller in every new iteration. Or maybe they just so inconsistent from the beginning idk
Seriously hoping in the future we get the hulk movie we all want & deserve
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I like that the ending for his character is the dorky hulk. And Bruce is a dork who’s afraid of losing his temper. And now he doesn’t have to worry about that. But we missed a very important and potentially entertaining story beat in those 5 years. Him learning to work with hulk. We skipped to the end and people aren’t satisfied. His story is he went from terrifying time bomb to finally working around it. But they skipped like a third of it. All we got is a deleted scene where Bruce and hulk argue and the pacing and dialogue feels off so no wonder they cut it. I truly believe people wouldn’t have a problem with prof. hulk if we got to see all of how hard it was to reach that point. I partially blame universal too for just not doing anything with hulk and causing the MCU to just neglect hulk and having to use him as a side character
That’s a fair take. We probably would enjoy professor hulk more if there was an actual payoff.. Like you said, they skipped so much in between, and now they’re paying the consequences.
Let me give you my take on his journey.
I think lot of people hyper fixate on the comedy aspects of his phase 3 character arc (I will not talk about phase 1 and two because those are universally enjoyed). You take a step back and focus on the layers and not the humor you start to see this character arc from a new perspective. Throughout the mcu the Hulk has been able to wrestle with anyone from demigods, robots, and demons. Thanos shows what happens when both Bruce and Hulk face a threat that matches them in both might and brains. In Endgame, it was a matter of Bruce realizing that strength and brains alone are not going to save the day in the face of despair. The Smart Hulk was born and was able to use his strength to wield the infinity stones, and his intellect to build the gauntlet and use them in the first place. While everyone was depressed after the snap, it was Bruce who ended being a lot better off than he was before in his very depressed state. The best part people do not realize is there was still much to tell about the Hulk even after his arc as professor Hulk.
I could definitely go into much more detail about it, but I do not want to over do it just yet.
I really hate what the MCU has done to Hulk. Also, Hulk quit the Avengers after two issues, and all the recent movies, cartoons, and video games completely missed the point of that.
Earth's Mightiest Heroes is the only cartoon that has done so, but even then, it's no longer modern day since it came out in 2010.
Marvel Nerfed Hulk before our very eyes
It feels like MCU became ashamed of Hulk
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I read comics. Thanos has beaten the breaks off of Hulk multiple times bro.
Edit: just read more comments. Good on you for admitting you were misinformed here. I agree with the rest of the video though. This is quality content.
If you can find a version of the 2008 movie with the deleted scenes edited back in, it becomes a much better movie in terms of characters and writing. At least for me it does.
That would be an interesting watch. I fully believe it could make the movie better
They missed the Chance to bring in Joe Fix it. He was brainy version of Hulk.
Yeah, but they probably would have made a joke out of him too.
That is true, I'm just saying they missed perfect chance to do it. Plus Joe Fix it could have avenged Hulk when Thanos beat him!
I only enjoyed MCU Hulk in Incredible Hulk and Avengers 1. I hated what they did to him in Avengers 2, Thor Ragnarok, Avengers Infinity War and Endgame. How they ruined Hulk was part of the reason I hated movies like Avengers Age of Ultron, Thor Ragnarok and it becoming part of the reason I gave up being a fan of Marvel. Not just the films, but the entire franchise in general.
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Glad you enjoyed
I miss 2003 Hulk he was accurate and real Hulk
2003 Hulk is so much better than what we currently have
I thought I was the only one that felt Hulk evolved into a weak buffoon. He at least deserved a rematch with Thanos to make up for the previous silly versions
They treated Bruce and Hulk like Banner had ED
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I have a pretty good theory about this. The hulk gets more powerful the angrier he gets. So a less angry hulk is weaker. Bruce has become more stable and less angry as time went on because he isn't at war with the Hulk anymore, and he accpets that side of him. So it's understandable that he is less strong. 💪
Horrible treatment. Particularly I think because he is a CGI character.
I wish they would have pay attention to the incredible hulk' comic books
Im hoping in the dp 3 mcu reset would bring back our beautiful favorite monster
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amazing video, ive felt this for a while, new hulk did get a little inspired by the incredible but no where near the same level, edward brought depth both in banner and in hulk flaws and all
This is basically a Beast character
i agree with some of this guys points but not all of them.
Completely fair
they basically sabotaged norton. he wanted to make it better. so instead of just not allowing him they gave him little time instead. honestly their disgusting. its more seen now than it ever was back then, because current disney😂😂. almost entirely trash and "the message"
The hulk has and always will be my favorite fictional character off all time and the 2008 hulk was amazing, i really enjoyed that movie and also somewhat liked the first avengers movie version but everything after was really really bad. What i really loved about the 2008 version is that he was a monster, he was a rage filled monster who was stoic and monsterous, while in avengers one he was more like a really powerfull baby which sucks. #Justicefor Hulk.
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I have this crazy theory that they nerfed and relegated Hulk more and more because Hulk inherently represents masculinity: both toxic masculinity (anger, solving everything with violence, in the comics he even appears possesive of some people and of the "body" Banner and him share) and also positive masculinity (strenght and toughness used to help and save others, to "man up" enduring/channeling your trauma and negative emotions towards positive goals, being protective of the weak and innocent like puppies and children).
In current year it's obvious that Disney hates all those qualities (both negative and positive), and tries to replace "manly" males by just genderswapping them (She-Hulk is all that's wrong with Hulk but presented as if she was instead better, the forgotten Ironheart substitute to Iron Man, The Marvels and how infamously internet predicted they'd try to make Captain Marvel a lesbian in that last-minute deleted scene...). Hulk being not only manliness but indomitability and rebellion incarnate, it's very opposite to both what Disney wants to represent and what it really represents (greed, hypocresy and doing anything to make more cash while trying to appear in the most socially-acceptable light possible) and the company doesn't want the fandom to self-identify nor with the masculinity of Hulk neither with his thirst for freedom.
But it's probably because his solo movie made the least money or something like that.
Great job
Og hulk looked badass I loved his face it js looks better than the hulk now 💀
The hulk didn’t hulk 😓 hearing someone else say it hit different
i actually liked the way they look different shows bruces altered personality and how hulk is different from bruce if you get what i mean
i hope for deadpool & wolverine we get a varaint of hulk that is like the 2008 version if they do put hulk in that is.
I'm going to go a step further and say the Russos *and* the screenwriters actively HATE Hulk. There's too much opportunity with him they blatantly side stepped for me to believe it's purely incompetence or "not knowing what to do" with him.
They neutered him because they didn’t own the distribution rights to the character at the time and also because he was an incredibly masculine, powerful character in the modern feminist time, ever that was a bad thing.
Sorry but Hollywood studios must follow their given scripts that shapes society and current agendas… with that said, expect the Hulk to be wearing a N95 face mask in the next Marvel movie!
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The first Hulk movie was the best.
I have read somewhere that that Hulk was suppose to fight Avengers. That is a trylogy itself.
That would have been awesome.
@@AttentionHorror_ Yes! Hulk going though Avengers like paper would look so cool. There could be maybe even a room Wolverine cameo. But they wasted the potential of the character and now he is a green dad.
I always like the first Hulk's design. Muscles waving under a thing layer of fat and skin, that bushy hair, and the big feet. He looked cool, athletic, powerful. And while people would argue that Ruffalo's is more realistic, a body builder figure. Hulk moves quite a lot, runs and jumps. Lean athletic body feels appropriate as well.
Also, fat cells can not multiply, as far as I know. That is also an argument for leaner muscles.
And I like that he was so different from Banner! Hulk was based on the Jekyll and Hyde story. So he should be different!
It is ironic, a man can grow twice his height and 8 times his body mass out of nowhere, it's fine. But the face must be the same...or it is unrealistic.
I was actually rather irritated with the MCU as a whole, i think 3 or 4 movies in, i still enjoyed them for a little while longer, but earths mightiest heroes and avengers assemble were just leagues better.
Not to mention, i cannot stand the black panther, the live action movie is absolute garbage, i felt really sad when i saw it considering i love the black panthers character in EMH and AA.
I haven't actually finished the MCU, i think i completely gassed out by the time infinity wars released, i didn't watch it.
That’s understandable. Hopefully you’ve been able to find enjoyment in other things like Invincible or The Boys. Lots of stuff out there to get your fix on really good superhero stories.
Hulk on Thor Ragnarok was terrible. First off Thor ask Hulk for Help and Hulk was being mean to Thor and Hulk was trying to killed Thor and he also is super dumb. Hulk tells Thor you banner friend ever thought Thor and Banner haven't really talk that much.
Avengers infinity war and Avengers endgame is overrated.
Also the Russo brothers have a fetish for captain America they didn’t give a fuck about any other character development but cap and his story they should never direct a superhero based film again
I actually never noticed who they had a “fetish” for. I just know they never had one for The Hulk
That’s not even true. They wrapped up Ironman, the Shield assassins, Falcon, War Machine, Black Panther, Thor, the Guardians, Fury, Doc Strange in 2 movies.
The only one they truly nerfed was Hulk and that’s the only criticism I have. The Russos did the majority of the characters better than any other director in the MCU so far. I’d say James Gunn but he only gets the Guardians.
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Abomination although a nemsis of Hulk fell into the tropes of Phase 1. Every hero fought an evil version of himself. Ironman had Stane in his own suit, Thor had Loki, and Cap had Red Skull (who is kinda the same…a nazi super fighter). So no Abomination was not so awesome.
By far the best Hulk was in Avengers 1. Was very cool in Thor 3 too. Hulk in the comics at the time could be childlike which was fairly accurate and the fight scenes here and Avengers 1 was his best.
He was also nerfed because of Universal’s rights. Why make a character the ultimate bad-ass if you don’t have complete control over him.
That trope did get repetitive, but I think they just wanted to be comic accurate with a lot of the characters back then. But yeah Avengers 1 Hulk is 10/10.
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19:58 okay also you're wrong on She-Hulk it's one of like 3 good Marvel D+ shows you can't be mad that it's not something it's not trying to be. You can be mad they didn't make Hulk 2 but it's not fair to hold that against a different show with different intentions.
I’m just not happy with how they utilized Hulk in the series. I’m not saying they should’ve made it all about him, I would’ve preferred they kept him out. And it’s sad that we have to say “it’s one of the good shitty shows that they’ve made”. We deserve so much more
Hulk died at the start of infinity war and was replaced by Green Mark Ruffalo
Yeah I really didn't like that plot line, cause they never pay it off by showing us how he works it out with Hulk. Until we just see him in Endgame. The deleted scene would have been amazing in the film.
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18:28 While I agree with just avout everything you say about the assassination of the Hulk, you're wrong that Hulk doesn't get his revenge. Undoing The Snap is the best revenge on IW Thanos he could have. It just sucks that at the end if the day it's really Banner getting revenge for The Hulk who he murdered between films.
You’re right, you could say he gets his revenge with the snap, but it’s not fully what I wanted. Hulk was beaten within mere seconds against Thanos, I just wanted to see Hulk get some hits on him at the end.
The Hulk is so weak in the current mcu. It really ruined the live-action experience for me. 2003 Hulk and 2008 Hulk were the best in my opinion. Hulk also keeps getting smaller and smaller instead of getting bigger the angier he gets. 2003 was 9ft, 12ft, and 15 ft at his angriest. 2008 Hulk was a decent 9ft tall so he still had a scary presence but lacked abilities from the previous Hulk movie. Mcu savage Hulk is 8ft 5in and smart Hulk is barely a Hulk at 7ft 5in. He is about the size of a very large wrestler like giant gonzalez.
Man, you need to be honest with yourself. Disney Marvel will never be able to make a good Hulk film. Their whole PC wet noodle world view is antithetical to the very essence of the Hulk. He's not allowed to be angry because angry = bad, violence = bad, ergo Hulk = bad. Hulk shines best when he ferrociously triumphs, and Disney Marvel hasn't the balls to make the Hulk triumph fuelled by anger.
State of Ruffalo is a joke
The 2008 hulk was far superior but the mcu hulk died for me after Thor 3
21:47 the issues
Okay I have a lot of things to say about this topic. Because I read Hulk's comics on a monthly basis. And have been for the past 8 years.
The criticisms I hear from fans is understandable but sometimes I stumble across critiques on Mark Ruffalo's Hulk that makes no sense and come off as like someone's never read a Hulk comic in their life.
I have a lot positives and negatives for how Bruce and Hulk have been portrayed by Norton and Ruffalo. Personally, I think Ruffalo plays a much better Bruce Banner than Norton. Norton's Bruce Banner came off as a very smart guy that was desperate to get rid of something inside of him. While Ruffalo's Bruce Banner came off as not only a genius in his craft, but also a man trying his best to hide something from everyone. Ruffalo nails the introverted awkwardness of Bruce Banner, but also looks like a guy that could snap at any moment. Especially if you look back at The Avengers 2012 film. The way he acts as Bruce is more inline with the comics.
As for the Hulk himself, Ruffalo's Hulk is much better as well. Ruffalo's design of Hulk is more accurate to the comics as well, except for the green eyes. It irritates me that Ruffalo's Hulk still has brown eyes, instead of green. But everything else about his design is comic accurate. The height, the physique, the oger-like face and even his posture is all comic accurate.
While I adore Norton's Hulk design, for it being a scarier design. But Ruffalo's Hulk just looks and feels like the Hulk has been ripped out of a comic, and the VFX make his Hulk more realistic than Norton's.
The next thing I want to mention is something extremely dumb from the fanbase. A lot of people honestly believe that Norton's Hulk is stronger than Ruffalo's😂. Norton's Hulk struggled massively against the US Military and was dominated throughout most of his fight with Abomination. Meanwhile Ruffalo's Hulk literally killed a Chitauri Leviathan with one punch, speed blitzed through the Chitauri army, ragdolled Thor and Loki, destroyed half a city while ripping the Hulkbuster to shreds, no-diffed Ultron, undefeated as the Grand Master's Champion on Sakaar, mid-diffed Fenris, stunned Surtur in his final form, resurrected half of the universe while only suffering a burnt arm, and can yeet gigantic boulders into the stratosphere faster than the speed of sound.
My negatives I have with Ruffalo's portrayal of Bruce and Hulk is mainly the writing. His version of the Hulk does not get enough screentime and is overshadowed by other characters. If Marvel Studios still can't make a Hulk film, then at least have Mark Ruffalo be the star of the next Avengers movie and have Bruce Banner and Hulk as the main characters in the movie.
I’m not reading that too long stop being a critic and write a short summary of your dislike of the hulk movies and iterations etc
You make a lot of good points. I guess what I like most about Norton’s portrayal is that he seems a lot more ruthless, and that may be because of the movie being centered towards him. But at the same time, you’re right, Ruffalo’s Hulk puts in work once he takes over. You also might be right about the writing. It’s a lot of the time lackluster and with his little screen time it doesn’t help his case. All I know is, this character deserves a lot better.
@@AttentionHorror_ Another thing I'd like to mention is everyone's obsession about a World War Hulk movie. As a life long Hulk fan it sucks that a lot of fanbase think that World War Hulk is the Hulk's only great story for the MCU to adapt. While I don't mind a movie heavily inspired by World War Hulk (cus it's also one of my favorite stories), I still believe that Bruce and Hulk's characterizations can be done much better if Marvel Studios takes inspiration from Hulk's recent runs. The Immortal Hulk (Al Ewing & Joe Bennett), Smashtronaut (Donny Cates & Ryan Ottley), and The Age Of Monsters (Philip K. Johnson & Nick Klein). These three runs have been back to back to back bangers. And these are runs which would massively improve the characterizations of Bruce and Hulk. Also these runs would allow Mark Ruffalo to really flex his acting skills to show different sides of Bruce Banner. Whenever he's scared, angry, depressed, happy or even acting like a complete asshole to other supporting characters or even to the Hulk himself. These three runs perfectly shows the different sides of Bruce. As for the Hulk, these three runs showcases his character very well while also displaying his godlike power. Ryan Ottley does an AMAZING job at drawing Hulk's fights in the Smashtronaut run. Nick Klein and Joe Bennett both do an amazing job at showcasing body horror and monster designs. In my opinion, Ryan Ottley is now recently my favorite Hulk artist ever
One of the reasons I personally like Nortons banner was that he was a survivor learned multiple languages knew martial art skills enough to defend himself and he's ability to run from the ops, the lesson he takes to calm himself. I don't read the comics but that to me felt real seeing the pain he goes through, you understood why he wanted to get rid of the hulk and was afraid of the power being used as a weapon. Both of the actors I think are great but got a different take Ruffalo's is a lot more nervous on edge and leans a lot more in the scientist while I think Norton's is more confident while smart but most of the hate from Ruffalo's part I imagine is his hulk becoming more of a joke after the first avenger while Norton didn't have a chance to become that we know the reason he was booted is because he a wanted a more dark serious tone emphasizing the hulk struggle more and with he's passion I find it hard to believe we'd get what we have now which is why many respect him. As far as the hulk is concerned again, he was scarier in a way but i don't see people saying he's the strongest but like the fact the angrier he gets the stronger he becomes makes up intensity and the OfCourse the iconic thunderclap. Another mention is at the end of incredible hulk you see him willingly turn he's eyes to green as he stopped trying to get rid and push away the hulk
@@philipshenton6677What was the point of replying with this? If you're not interested in what they have to say, just ignore the comment and move on lmao.
My favorite Hulk was the first Avengers. Then they went woke and ruined the Hulk.
It’s because he’s the embodiment of masculine energy. They had to neuter him. Make him gentle & submissive to avoid toxic masculinity
Where the fuck did you pull this from? The most masculine and respectable dude is Captain America. Hulk isn’t an embodiment of masculinity, if he was that sounds like something no reasonable man should be - Hulk is rage, pure violence and also really fucking dumb at times.
The point of Hulk isn’t anything to do with masculinity, it’s Banner trying to reconcile 2 completely different people holding his body.
They used to have such a great formula for these movies until endgame..they just did what they needed to,to make the best marvel movie they could,then it all just changed..its heartbreaking..i had such high hopes for where this was going and now its just a mess...its also incredibly disrespectful to all the people that put all the time and effort to make marvel what it was,just to let it become somebodies political vanity nonsenses..its gonna be funny in five or ten years when people are looking forward to dc's movies and avoiding marvel..and nobody helped dc do it more than marvel themselves
I’ve been saying for the past year or few that DC is gonna take over. I’m confident in James Gunn. The guy made some of my favorite MCU movies not to mention The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, etc. He knows what he’s doing. DC is in good hands.