I mean you can't have the big bad defeated by Ant-Man in Kang's debut film. Doesn't feel like conquering to me. Imo, I liked him. He was likeable and when he switches over and is revealed to be evil it's unsettling how easily he switches demeanors. He's a good villian to me. He has depth, charm, and doesn't feel like cut and paste bad.
Came here to say that. Kang lost all respect after that. If they wanted to hype him up he should’ve wrecked antman and everyone else in that movie like they were nothing. Definitely one of the strangest writing choives
@@mattsell2361 Marvel had zero planning and no communication. All they knew was that Kang was gonna be the main villain, but they had no clue on how to get there.
Well said. There was an ominous buildup for Thanos. Kang was defeated in both his appearances. The 1st time we saw Thanos in action, he took out the 2 strongest avengers in minutes.
That's easy to recover from. All you need to do is show the He Who Remains made Him Lose on Purpose because it needed to happen to become He Who Remains.
This was a good video but I disagree about Kang and the He Who Remains angle. The fact HWR wasn’t worried about the Avengers was because he was more scared of his variants was the entire point. The idea of him being barely concerned about an Avengers who already beat Thanos was the point. And sure while AntMan was a bad look for Kang, that would have been easily remedied by having him reappear in a post credit somewhere to reinforce the idea that this character is basically a Ex Machina with his ability to time travel and always come back, which would have set the stage for okay, like how do you possibly beat a Ex Machine. That is what Kang was supposed to be. And I really think the trial only made Majors star power even bigger. But with all that said, RDJ as Doom is clearly a bigger Box Office draw but more importantly it also means the Russos are back. Thanos was amazing because of the Russos. They made sure he never lost a single fight, even in Endgame he was winning and it took the entire Infinity Gauntlet the same power that wiped out half the universe to beat him.
Agreed, I also think the best part about Kang would have been the introduction of a stronger variant. The whole concept of Kang was amazing like we don't know what we'll get he's just a warrior afraid of his variants and just trying so hard to go home (a&w: quantumania) or an all powerful but disinterested time keeper (Loki s1).. he was an amazing character and they could have introduced a version of him with Thanos level determination and charisma at any time in the multiverse saga and I swear as a fan I would have been mind blown seeing that on screen. Like we've already seen him multiple times already and we thought we knew him well enough but this new version would be a surprising twist so powerful antman would be nothing to him
You hit it on the nail, 5 minutes into infinity war I was like OH thanos is a steppa, a HOUR into antman 3 I was like ok where’s Kang and can we see him do something crazy. Kang was in a hand to hand match with SCOTT LANG and didn’t utterly dominate him. Like what are we doing here
I really didn't like how they never said HIS name like it was some big reveal & they finally revealed his name to be Kang who was utterly killed in the movie as they introduced him like Quicksilver. I felt he had the temper & range but he fell hard. Also doesn't that mean with how the Multiverse works he isn't even a threat anymore? He now has to kill every single person in every single second they exist in to be a threat.
If they wanted another easy remedy to fix Kang would have been to do what they may very were possibly do with Doom, and have him seize Loki throne at the end of time, grab the branches of time, and collide them together wiping out thousands and thousands of universe in one swoop causing incursions and having the final few universes fight for their survival to be the only one remaining.
I have to defend the Loki season 1 kang because he wasn't there to be the villin he was there to show us how much of a threat the actual villin was that an entire timeline was h idden from him.
He who remains is a great kang. He’s nerdy and cares about keeping everyone from dying. I feel that they should explain that the kang from quantumania was the weakest and most inexperienced kang from the multiverse and that the people he boasts about murdering was him flaunting the kills of other kangs and that he really was all bark no bite.
@@snowpaladin4yt35 no it's not right for kangs character to lie about that i think it would be better if they say that he was thrown out not because he was too powerful or anything but because he believed his own hype to much the feats he claimed although great were insignificant in the grand scheme of things and he being as weak as he is though that he could take over the kangs but was ultimately defeated easily and thrown.
For me, I was just never excited about Kang. NOTHING about him made me afraid of his upcoming villain arch, whereas the threat of Thanos was IMMINENT. Kang kept telling me that I should be afraid, but like you said, the guy just talked WAY too much. And the eccentric variant we saw in the season 1 finale of _Loki_ certainly didn't help matters. I was more afraid of Loki _himself_ in that first _Avengers_ film than the thought of Kang. I didn't even watch the 3rd _Antman_ film because.... I just didn't care. And from what I hear I didn't miss much.
im not sure if you watch loki the tv show but for me personally after loki season 1 ending, he who remains (kang) poses much bigger threat than thanos. the first scene where the tva just kept a bunch of infinity stones for paperweight tells me how powerful he who remains, the one who founded the tva itself. but yea marvel fails to do the same in antman 3 like man it just flops.
I get where you're coming from, but Kang’s threat is more psychological and cerebral compared to Thanos. While Thanos was an immediate physical danger, Kang’s menace lies in his manipulation of time and reality. His "talking too much" isn't just filler - it's part of his strategy to mentally overpower his enemies. Jonathan Majors brings depth to the role, showing how unpredictable and multi-layered Kang can be. Plus, Kang’s arc is still building. Thanos took years to become truly terrifying; we’re just starting to see Kang’s full potential unfold. Different villains, different kinds of fear.
Its not simple ants, its a Type II civilization of ants, its level of technological advancement far surpasses thanos technology and maybe is matched with kang's
Yeah i agree. Losing to Ant-man is wild. I watched the movie thinking Kang was going to win and i rooted for him, mostly because i just watched Majors in Creed 3. But damn losing to a B-tier hero like Ant-man is crazy.
Let's give credit to Kang and Jonathan Majors because I blame the writers for this. If they had portrayed his character in a way similar to the cartoons, he could have become the next major villain. They should bring him back and introduce a more recurring villain. Kang in the comics shouldn't been put to live action unless they were going to place him in a Netflix series. Kang is cool because he has advanced knowledge beyond imagined.
Kang reminds me of the kid in elementary school that claimed he was a black belt, but got beat up by the small nerdy kid when he tried to pick on him 🤣
I pretty much assume that the reason Thanos did not double the resources or any other option is that he is simply narcissistic. His suggestion wasn't taken in Titan, and it died which made Thanos think highly of himself and his idea as the right one.
I'm not a comic book nerd but I used to watch Super Hero Squad as a kid and knew Thanos. So was really hyped to see a character whom I knew. Also he was introduced in a movie whereas Kang was introduced in a TV show about which I had no knowledge of. If Kang was introduced like Thanos was I was bound to be interested in him rather than suddenly seeing him in an Antman movie where he LOOSES!!!!
Loki's kang motivation kinda makes sense, I mean the universe falls apart if he doesn't prune other timelines and it make sense that kang wanna keep his other variant away to avoid war.
With Thanos he was kept in the background until the post credit Scene from Age of Ultron and finally revealed his plan which started in the first Avengers movie.
Homelander has the same motivation kang has he wanted to took revenge on those who hurt him in the past and he wanted to conquer America... Yet he is infinitely better than kang
The reason Kang failed and Thanos didn't was because Thanos was not the main villain until Infinity War and wasn't defeated until Endgame. Not only was Kang the main villain in Ant-Man 3 but he was defeated in that movie. The fact that he was defeated by Scott Lang and a bunch of ants didn't help. Imagine if Thanos was the villain in No Way Home and Peter Parker defeated him with actual spiders.
Kang is no less or more defensless than Tony Stark without his armor. And yet he is dangerous for the same reason (his genius mind) and for more reasosn (his knowledge of what you will do nect always and how to change it if he wants to.
I remember there was a comic panel where Kang dusted Thanos away, that could have been a better introduction but if they did that and still went with how they handled him in the movies, it's better of not to. Also I hope they don't off screen Kang's ending the Loki ending is good but I hope we solve the Kang dynasty problem that's been hinting previously, maybe RDJ's Doom commit Genocide on the Kang variants, now that's a villain introduction and would be a Doom thing to do
Kang the conqueror is a very interesting and ruthless villain to read about in the comics, and he is one of my favorites, its not Jonathan majors fault he was great actor, he was given shit writing and put in a terrible movie, where he should and deserved to win, i mean let be honest everyone was cheering for him, and the MCU never gave him the opportunity to battle more superheros other than Ant man, or to conquer more worlds, which is one of the reasons why the MCU multiverse is failing and why Deadpool was right, and the MCU fired him and threw Kang out like trash.
How I think Kang would have worked: 1. Give him purpose. As you said, he had no mission aside from conquering, and no motivation was given. Villains work because they a) present a view antithetical to the hero, and b) can reach those views logically. Thanos and his odyssey were flawed, but everyone understood why he did what he did. Doc Ock in SM2 was obsessed, but we all understood why. Nobody understands Kang or why his mission exists. At this point it’s evil for the sake of evil. I think his mission should have been to stop incursions or other multiversal wars by complete annihilation of every other universe. (I know it’s implied, but it was very forgettable) His motivation could be that he tried to save his own, but failed because of external threats. Now his only solution is conquering through brute force to ensure nobody else rises to that power, and destroy every other universe that could be a threat to him. A similar beat to Thanos, but a mark of a good villain is them trying to succeed, failing, and resorting to evil to accomplish it (ie. Darth Vader, Magneto, the Punisher, etc) 2. Again, like you said, he wasn’t a threat since he was killed off several times. It’s accurate to the comics, but the terror of seeing him come back over and over again doesn’t translate that easily to the big screen - there are literal years between some movies, and with scheduling conflicts, the hype dies out between one Kang dying and another arriving. I think to really up the ante, he should have died in Quantumania, but show back up 10 seconds later without a scratch on him - declaring that he is a different version, but on the same mission - and kill off either Scott or the Wasp. Here, we’ve established that he’s a) not invulnerable, b) he’s lethal, and c) his true power lies in the heroes (or audience) dreading his inevitable return.
Thanos was great but would’ve been a lot better if he was manipulating the events of films. He caused Avengers 1 and showed up at the end ragnarok and that’s it. It would’ve been cool if he played a bigger role in some phase 3 movies. I saw that they were trying to do that a bit with Kang but current mcu writers can’t write for shit and made kang an extremely generic villain of the week. What made thanos interesting is that he wasn’t completely evil and was trying to create a more peaceful world by paying with the high price of people’s lives but ditched the violent option of murdering people and opted to using the stones to give people a painless death. He’s psychotic but you can see where he’s coming from. The one who remains was kind of interesting too cuz he offered a hard choice to Loki, dangerous free will or peace at the cost of suppression. Kang should’ve offered a similar choice, he protects the universe from his other variants in exchange for control and the ability to protect the main universe however he wants to, even if it means destroying other timelines. He could’ve used the snap and claim it was consequences of his lack of protection to pressure the avengers into accepting his offer. Instead the moronic writers wrote him as Saturday cartoon villain screaming “I’m kang” and saying lines like “I’m going to win.” He wants to destroy the multiverse simply because he can. It also doesn’t help that in his first appearance as the main villain, he gets beaten by ants and ant-man because good guys always have to win.
In my opinion, although Kang was abit floppy and wasted just like Gorr in Thor, he was more than great in Loki. There was something mystique and power about him in the series. Truly intimidating
The ultimate mistake is having the Big Bad bad way too much exposure at such an early stage let alone the supposed Avengers film is already having him.
That's why i was 100% fine with them replacing him with Doctor Doom. Kang just came off as an entertaining 1 off villain not the next threat after Thanos.
Comics and Avengers EMH Kang was a big threat, there is reason he is among the top Marvel villains. Kang isn't really an Ant-Man villain, he fights the Avengers and Fantastic Four and ties into the Mutants like Apocalypse. Making him the Ant-Man 3 villain wasn't really needed. Unfortunately his rogues gallery is small, no pun intended many Ant-Man villains were one offs or were used in different MCU projects or were too obscure. Living Laser, Egghead (if he hadn't been taken out in Ant-Man 2), Atlas, Crimson Cowl who was the daughter of Justin Hammer in the comics. In fact that would be an interesting twist Justin Hammers daughter was the benefactor working under her father to get that tech for something evil. Sounds generic but it would tie nicely into Armor Wars.
Even Lego can make a better Kang than the MCU? Idk if you play LMSH games, but the way they portrayed Kang, that was what the MCU lacked. Kang was a threat in LMSH 2. Meanwhile Kang in the MCU got whipped by his ant masters .👴
Thanos is literally one of the best film villains as well. I’ve seen him in many rankings of top ten best film villains. Kang didn’t work that well because for a threat seemingly bigger than Thanos, he pretty much lost every time. He didn’t even feel like an Avengers-level villain. And Marvel just decided to ditch the character because Majors got in trouble and when they could have at least recast him so that they could stuck with developing their original plan, they decided to become extremely desperate and bring in RDJ as Doom. Don’t get me wrong, RDJ is my favorite actor and Dr Doom is a fantastic, I mean phenomenal villain. But the reason why another part of me feels skeptical about this is because he’s going to be introduced so late and I feel like Marvel has become desperate. I mean, Thanos was introduced in a post credits scene in Avengers 1, then debuted in IW and Endgame. Dr Doom is being introduced in F4: first steps and is debuting in Doomsday and Secret Wars, which the former is one year apart and the latter is two years apart. That concerns me because phase five so far had no indication of Doctor Doom whatsoever. Thanos had over ten years of buildup and had deep emotional impact to the viewer. Dr Doom, I just hope they do the character justice, considering the 2005-2007 Doom and the 2015 Doom portrayals were lackluster.
@@mrheadcannonand he didn’t strangle her either, he tried to push her back in the car so he could get distance, then ran away from her for multiple blocks, through traffic. If we’re being real, that’s not abuse/assault and is actually self defense in this context
Plus in this kinda scenario, personally I’ve never rly cared too much about the actors characters as far as a movie goes. If they do good work that’s what I care about. For me is about the art.
Yeah, because with Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk faced villains and had to overcome people stronger than them. And in the first Captain Marvel, she was basically like, I’m 1,000,000,000 times stronger than you, but no one believes in me, I weak 😢, wait I strong, punch, fight over.
In retrospect it seems like an overexaggeration for that Chitauri to say “to challenge the Avengers is to challenge death” when the team just formed and there’s plenty of strong teams out there
Keep in mind Thor is literally the son of the king of ASGARD, and clearly cares about earth. Going for the avengers means threatening the wrath of ASGARD, which overtook the 9 realms and at the time Odin is still alive and powerful.
@@thunderspark1536 Keep in mind Thanos made a deal with Loki who was also raised by Odin If Odin isn’t stepping up to Loki doing his mess on earth then Thanos wouldn’t have nothing to fear. After all he can snap him out of existence
@@Sjono Uh, Odin did do something. He sent Thor to capture him and bring him home. It's not like Thor was in much danger from Loki himself, but if Thanos rolled up with his ship and Thor was, say, killed, he'd get VERY angry, as we see in what if with Loki. Second, no, he couldn't just snap his fingers. He needed the stones for that, and after the first Avengers the space stone was on Asgard. So he'd have to attack Asgard directly to get it, which he obviously didn't do
Seeing Thanos in that post credit scene and the fact that he actually looked like Thanos from the comics except his eyes aren't jet black it had me hype ngl. I wish they would've focused some time on his intelligence showing just how dangerous he is. Like Reed Richards is far behind Thanos in intelligence. He's more on par with Galactus then say Bruce Banner.
i feel like thanos doesnt do all those other things becuse thats not how we was raised remember in the scene where he says somthing about fighting on titan for food and thats where and how he grew up, he wanted to take away the fighting but remember he is still a product of his environment violence makes violence,to get peace there must be violence its his trauma response or way of thinking, the old!!!! dad beats mom,so to stop dad from hitting mom i hit dad trick
When Thanos talks about his plan- it’s given in snippets- first with Gamora it’s the flawed logic behind the madness, which leads to his reasoning behind the logic-
a lot of people have the question of "why thanos don't just do X with the stones", I think there's a simple answer, he suffered through his planet's over population and deem the rest of the universe not worthy of just getting free resources, they have to suffer as he did, in his mind if there's no suffering they won't learn, before he got the stones he did the killing manually, so why do the others deserve free resources when some have to die
I don't understand why so many people were disappointed at Kang getting scrapped. He was such a lame uninteresting villain the audience couldn't take serious and his introduction was Ant-Man Quintamania of all movies. He would've been such a huge downgrade from thanos if he did end up being the new big bad. But I think dr doom will Def live up to thanos
The variants excuse was also lame. It would have been so much better that Kang the Conqueror won in the film and still imply that the other variants are stronger and still fears them. That would have left a better mark than saying ohhh it's ok for this Kang to get defeated because there other stonger kangs out there. Lame
What they should have done was connect Immortus to Endgame. Since the Avengers basically reset their timeline...they could have gotten Immortus' attention to their timeline. Leading him to engineering attacks in their universe by various Kangs.
I actually forgot that Kang was in Loki and Antman. I was in my head like “I’m excited to see his entrance.” And then I remembered that he was already a part of the MCU and Im just thinking about how disappointing it was.
Kang losing would have been easy for a character like him to recover from. All you need to do is show that He Who Remains made Kang Lose on Purpose because it needed to happen for Kang to become He Who Remains. And then He wins when He needs to win for the same reasons.
You made a good point with what thanos could do, but thanos duplicating the worlds resources means water currents expanding and flooding entire planets
It’s because Marvel didn’t do a good enough job MARKETING LOKI. They literally got me into it through Wolverine/Deadpool because Deadpool himself makes a 4th wall reference to the fans about Loki and so I checked it out and WOW was it worth it. Wish I would’ve watched it long ago. But I now see the tie ins between all the multiverse events. It’s actually aging well and has made me revisit a lot of the older movies now. I wasn’t really into the anything Thor - PRE RAGNAROK. But this just opened it up.
I agree, but I think they were going to introduce his variants who were going to be more powerful. It looked like Immortus was going to be renditioned to have some sort of cosmic ability?
Yeah that was in the comics, do you realize we’re talking about the MCU live action adaptation 😂 laughable if you actually thought you were saying something with this him being powerful in the comics doesn’t justify him being weak and being presented poorly in the MCU version
Kang is certainly not a bad character, just look at Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes for example They handled Kang so well as someone who prepares for the future, an antagonist to Tony. Kang was also an antagonist to Cap since Cap was not supposed to be in this time period And Kang wasn't even evil. He wanted to conquer Earth so he could protect it with his futuristic weaponry, but he did it all to save his wife Also, AEMH had Kang not only be the main antagonist of an arc but also give hints to the Skrull invasion
What also is an issue with Kang is that the surrounding media has been received poorly. The main stories of the infinity saga were very well received. But with Kang you have to watch okay movie after okay movie. With that also a ton of shows. An interesting villain. The Kang movie might have made up for the lacklustre story but we will never know.
So how Ant Man should’ve went was Scott and Hope escape the Quantum Realm but Hank and Jannette are killed by Kang helping them escape. Cassie is held captive by Kang and Scott & Hope warn the Avengers about Kang.
I think Loki did a nice job setting up just how much of a threat Kang was, and Ant-Man 3 should've ended with nobody winning and the heros just escaping the quantum realm. That way we get to see Kang in action fighting against an Avenger, but not making it look utterly pathetic in the process. I think we did need Kang in action right away. Thanos not doing really anything till Infinity War worked since he kinda just popped in the Avengers and they were setting up the stones and all that, if they did the Multiverse Saga with no Kang until Avengers 5 that'd just be boring. Of course the way they did it didn't work, but it was an attempt I guess.
Man we did a school trip back when i was in Highschool and saw Avengers. at the Post Credit scene I Screamed out Thats Thanos to a the rest of the school. and one girl was Like "Who Called me a Fatass" And i swear to god I had to explain to her who thanos was Because she was getting real Aggro and was about to Slap me. Luckily My Comic book Knowledge saved me from getting slapped.
They been doing Thanos dirty since End Game. Using him as fodder to boost up other villains. Initially he was a force to be reconed with, but now they are Straight disrespecting him. If the trumos are true, I sure hope we get a King Thanos variant who can redeem the mad titan's legacy.
Thanos' motivation is simple to explain, he doesn't care about those other peaceful resolutions. He is a psychopath and only cares about what solution he thinks can work, which was heavily implied on his backstory in Titan, he is way too focused on killing Half rather than rewriting reality for better distribution. And even now a lot of people still jokingly says that Thanos was right whenever some ridiculous people do ridiculous things.
I feel like Kang as a villain had a lot of potential, simply because he is different from the other villains. While villains like thanos, dr doom or magneto, at the foundation think that they are doing whatever it is for the greater good, Kang is more towards pure power struggle, and is evil for the sake of it, and given that, he has no innate super powers like the ones i mentioned, and is just a human with knowledge makes him a way more interesting character to explore. But unfortunately they just made him a joke in the mcu. If they would have focused more on his origin story, and the stories of how he conquered various universes instead of rushing to introduce him the main timeline, i feel the impact would have been better.
Did you watched Loki. Cause all I heard was that he is the not the worst variant, he's had it and he just wanted to find a new solution. Compared to that every version of Thanos we got was enemy.
Before Quantumania came out, I thought Ant-Man would be defeated by Kang. This could raise the reputation of the Kang. But it was disappointing, Kang wasn't even in his plans anymore.
It is true that the final big bad needs to feel powerful to win. I would say that Thanos would still be a scary if he lost one battle before endgame. As long as the heroes barely manged to beat him or it was a pyrrhic victory, then Thanos could take one L.
We were actually expecting Kang to return in avengers 6 but his actor got fired and replaced by doctor doom which I’m certainly not complaining about Robert Downey
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In a nutshell:
Kang is all bark and no bite.
Thanos was no bark but all bite.
I mean you can't have the big bad defeated by Ant-Man in Kang's debut film. Doesn't feel like conquering to me.
Imo, I liked him. He was likeable and when he switches over and is revealed to be evil it's unsettling how easily he switches demeanors.
He's a good villian to me. He has depth, charm, and doesn't feel like cut and paste bad.
@@joungyalen25 That ant man movie is so dumb.
@@joungyalen25 wasn't even the main kang 🤦♂️
Diamond Dane Anderson is a better villain 💀
@@joungyalen25its funny to see you think THAT was Kang Prime lol. We still have yet to see the true Kang erasing timelines etc
Simple answer, one didn’t get beaten by ants
Came here to say that. Kang lost all respect after that. If they wanted to hype him up he should’ve wrecked antman and everyone else in that movie like they were nothing. Definitely one of the strangest writing choives
He was supposed to come back after....not just disappear
@@mattsell2361 Marvel had zero planning and no communication. All they knew was that Kang was gonna be the main villain, but they had no clue on how to get there.
Wasn't even the same kang from Loki
@@mattsell2361 real everyone, literally everyone expected antman to die in the movie. Everyone wanted him dead...But I guess Loveness is too pg13 lol
If thanos was introduced by losing to antman idk if I would still care about him no one can recover from that
Kang was introduced in Loki and he wipes timelines, scripts guys like Thanos, and Solos all
@@toyanthaog5109still lost to Ant-Man
Well said. There was an ominous buildup for Thanos. Kang was defeated in both his appearances. The 1st time we saw Thanos in action, he took out the 2 strongest avengers in minutes.
That's easy to recover from.
All you need to do is show the He Who Remains made Him Lose on Purpose because it needed to happen to become He Who Remains.
@@wilj9976 Kang wrote Thanos
They really fumbled with Kang. They announced him too early
Kang had no plot armour💀
Bro forgot that he's main villain💀
😂 Kang was defeated by ants and one woman 🤣🤣🤣 Jane stalling through out the film was convenient enough for him to have a film.
All he does is talk, bro thinks he’s Naruto who use Talk no Justsu instead of being in a Marvel movie
This was a good video but I disagree about Kang and the He Who Remains angle. The fact HWR wasn’t worried about the Avengers was because he was more scared of his variants was the entire point. The idea of him being barely concerned about an Avengers who already beat Thanos was the point.
And sure while AntMan was a bad look for Kang, that would have been easily remedied by having him reappear in a post credit somewhere to reinforce the idea that this character is basically a Ex Machina with his ability to time travel and always come back, which would have set the stage for okay, like how do you possibly beat a Ex Machine. That is what Kang was supposed to be. And I really think the trial only made Majors star power even bigger. But with all that said, RDJ as Doom is clearly a bigger Box Office draw but more importantly it also means the Russos are back.
Thanos was amazing because of the Russos. They made sure he never lost a single fight, even in Endgame he was winning and it took the entire Infinity Gauntlet the same power that wiped out half the universe to beat him.
Agreed, I also think the best part about Kang would have been the introduction of a stronger variant. The whole concept of Kang was amazing like we don't know what we'll get he's just a warrior afraid of his variants and just trying so hard to go home (a&w: quantumania) or an all powerful but disinterested time keeper (Loki s1).. he was an amazing character and they could have introduced a version of him with Thanos level determination and charisma at any time in the multiverse saga and I swear as a fan I would have been mind blown seeing that on screen. Like we've already seen him multiple times already and we thought we knew him well enough but this new version would be a surprising twist so powerful antman would be nothing to him
They finna write an essay😂😂😂😂
It's a joke ❤❤❤
You hit it on the nail, 5 minutes into infinity war I was like OH thanos is a steppa, a HOUR into antman 3 I was like ok where’s Kang and can we see him do something crazy. Kang was in a hand to hand match with SCOTT LANG and didn’t utterly dominate him. Like what are we doing here
Conquerer of worlds couldnt even defeat antman, that too in hand to hand combat
Its like watching chengez khan getting beaten by fisherman 😂
Antman has the potential to be one of the most powerful avanger
@@Mark_8gains agreed, but he was not good in hand to hand combat
I really didn't like how they never said HIS name like it was some big reveal & they finally revealed his name to be Kang who was utterly killed in the movie as they introduced him like Quicksilver. I felt he had the temper & range but he fell hard. Also doesn't that mean with how the Multiverse works he isn't even a threat anymore? He now has to kill every single person in every single second they exist in to be a threat.
@ClassyNugget yea they fumbled him so hard man. Both in the movie and how he's handled in the future
If they wanted another easy remedy to fix Kang would have been to do what they may very were possibly do with Doom, and have him seize Loki throne at the end of time, grab the branches of time, and collide them together wiping out thousands and thousands of universe in one swoop causing incursions and having the final few universes fight for their survival to be the only one remaining.
Bro wtf this would’ve been literally perfect
I have to defend the Loki season 1 kang because he wasn't there to be the villin he was there to show us how much of a threat the actual villin was that an entire timeline was h idden from him.
He who remains is a great kang. He’s nerdy and cares about keeping everyone from dying. I feel that they should explain that the kang from quantumania was the weakest and most inexperienced kang from the multiverse and that the people he boasts about murdering was him flaunting the kills of other kangs and that he really was all bark no bite.
@@snowpaladin4yt35 no it's not right for kangs character to lie about that i think it would be better if they say that he was thrown out not because he was too powerful or anything but because he believed his own hype to much the feats he claimed although great were insignificant in the grand scheme of things and he being as weak as he is though that he could take over the kangs but was ultimately defeated easily and thrown.
I support you bro, I love Kang from Loki, antman Kang was trash. And wish to see Loki Kang again@@snowpaladin4yt35
For me, I was just never excited about Kang. NOTHING about him made me afraid of his upcoming villain arch, whereas the threat of Thanos was IMMINENT. Kang kept telling me that I should be afraid, but like you said, the guy just talked WAY too much. And the eccentric variant we saw in the season 1 finale of _Loki_ certainly didn't help matters. I was more afraid of Loki _himself_ in that first _Avengers_ film than the thought of Kang.
I didn't even watch the 3rd _Antman_ film because.... I just didn't care. And from what I hear I didn't miss much.
I mostly agree with you. I thought He-Who-Remains worked as an individual villain for the Loki series. But beyond that… no. Just no.
im not sure if you watch loki the tv show but for me personally after loki season 1 ending, he who remains (kang) poses much bigger threat than thanos. the first scene where the tva just kept a bunch of infinity stones for paperweight tells me how powerful he who remains, the one who founded the tva itself. but yea marvel fails to do the same in antman 3 like man it just flops.
I get where you're coming from, but Kang’s threat is more psychological and cerebral compared to Thanos. While Thanos was an immediate physical danger, Kang’s menace lies in his manipulation of time and reality. His "talking too much" isn't just filler - it's part of his strategy to mentally overpower his enemies. Jonathan Majors brings depth to the role, showing how unpredictable and multi-layered Kang can be. Plus, Kang’s arc is still building. Thanos took years to become truly terrifying; we’re just starting to see Kang’s full potential unfold. Different villains, different kinds of fear.
thanos just looks like an inter galactic emperor
kang is just some black dude with a purple suit
This is the most accurate description, lol. Couldn't have said it better.
Reason 1 why Kang sucks: Literal ants kicked his ass. Idk what more information is needed.
Also gets pushed back by weak ass blasts by wasp
Its not simple ants, its a Type II civilization of ants, its level of technological advancement far surpasses thanos technology and maybe is matched with kang's
Yeah, Jonathan was not even convincing when he said I am Kang ! But Mr. That is the Other that was talking to Thanos !
Yeah i agree. Losing to Ant-man is wild. I watched the movie thinking Kang was going to win and i rooted for him, mostly because i just watched Majors in Creed 3. But damn losing to a B-tier hero like Ant-man is crazy.
the way they built up Thanos for IW was so good and how they made IW more of a Thanos film than a Avengers film
Let's give credit to Kang and Jonathan Majors because I blame the writers for this. If they had portrayed his character in a way similar to the cartoons, he could have become the next major villain. They should bring him back and introduce a more recurring villain. Kang in the comics shouldn't been put to live action unless they were going to place him in a Netflix series. Kang is cool because he has advanced knowledge beyond imagined.
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Kang reminds me of the kid in elementary school that claimed he was a black belt, but got beat up by the small nerdy kid when he tried to pick on him 🤣
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I pretty much assume that the reason Thanos did not double the resources or any other option is that he is simply narcissistic.
His suggestion wasn't taken in Titan, and it died which made Thanos think highly of himself and his idea as the right one.
I'm not a comic book nerd but I used to watch Super Hero Squad as a kid and knew Thanos. So was really hyped to see a character whom I knew. Also he was introduced in a movie whereas Kang was introduced in a TV show about which I had no knowledge of. If Kang was introduced like Thanos was I was bound to be interested in him rather than suddenly seeing him in an Antman movie where he LOOSES!!!!
I think Kang was better in LEGO Marvel superheroes 2 than he was in the mcu
Frl bru… lego is better at their adaptations than the MCU these days 😂
@@noobmaster69426Fr He Has Time manipulation and He Brought us Manhattan noir but Not the Show Adaptation
True even that baby kang of lego was more menacing
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Loki's kang motivation kinda makes sense, I mean the universe falls apart if he doesn't prune other timelines and it make sense that kang wanna keep his other variant away to avoid war.
That’s why I liked He-Who-Remains as the villain of Loki. It was the actual Kang the conqueror who fell short.
4:50 Yep, and we got him. (And thankfully Kang isn’t the big bad in the multiverse saga)
Kang DESERVED to be the big bad of the multiverse saga. He had so much potential.
With Thanos he was kept in the background until the post credit Scene from Age of Ultron and finally revealed his plan which started in the first Avengers movie.
The real reason we don’t get kang anymore is that he is in prison
Homelander has the same motivation kang has he wanted to took revenge on those who hurt him in the past and he wanted to conquer America...
Yet he is infinitely better than kang
The reason Kang failed and Thanos didn't was because Thanos was not the main villain until Infinity War and wasn't defeated until Endgame. Not only was Kang the main villain in Ant-Man 3 but he was defeated in that movie. The fact that he was defeated by Scott Lang and a bunch of ants didn't help.
Imagine if Thanos was the villain in No Way Home and Peter Parker defeated him with actual spiders.
now lets pray they do doom justice
Good analysis. You explained the why’s.
Now the question is, who in Marvel are responsible for doing such a bad job in writing the MCU Kang?
I don't think there's a one single writer responsible for this. The whole idea was very difficult to pull off from the beginning.
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Thanos first cameo: defeats the Hulk and kills half of Asgard
Kang first cameo: loses to Antman and a bunch of bugs
Buddy got packed out by ants.
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Kang is no less or more defensless than Tony Stark without his armor. And yet he is dangerous for the same reason (his genius mind) and for more reasosn (his knowledge of what you will do nect always and how to change it if he wants to.
I remember there was a comic panel where Kang dusted Thanos away, that could have been a better introduction but if they did that and still went with how they handled him in the movies, it's better of not to. Also I hope they don't off screen Kang's ending the Loki ending is good but I hope we solve the Kang dynasty problem that's been hinting previously, maybe RDJ's Doom commit Genocide on the Kang variants, now that's a villain introduction and would be a Doom thing to do
kang got humbled by a gang of ants despite killing thousands of avengers yet thanos defeated hulk, thor, loki and heimdall without any infinity stones
Kang the conqueror is a very interesting and ruthless villain to read about in the comics, and he is one of my favorites, its not Jonathan majors fault he was great actor, he was given shit writing and put in a terrible movie, where he should and deserved to win, i mean let be honest everyone was cheering for him, and the MCU never gave him the opportunity to battle more superheros other than Ant man, or to conquer more worlds, which is one of the reasons why the MCU multiverse is failing and why Deadpool was right, and the MCU fired him and threw Kang out like trash.
Don’t forget, Jane was having a great time while “trapped” in the Quantum Realm. IYKYK 😅
You mean Janet? Yeah, she spent most her life living in a Kangsters Paradise.
what make Kang fail: his lack of (more) traditional Superpowers
How I think Kang would have worked:
1. Give him purpose. As you said, he had no mission aside from conquering, and no motivation was given. Villains work because they a) present a view antithetical to the hero, and b) can reach those views logically. Thanos and his odyssey were flawed, but everyone understood why he did what he did. Doc Ock in SM2 was obsessed, but we all understood why. Nobody understands Kang or why his mission exists. At this point it’s evil for the sake of evil.
I think his mission should have been to stop incursions or other multiversal wars by complete annihilation of every other universe. (I know it’s implied, but it was very forgettable) His motivation could be that he tried to save his own, but failed because of external threats. Now his only solution is conquering through brute force to ensure nobody else rises to that power, and destroy every other universe that could be a threat to him. A similar beat to Thanos, but a mark of a good villain is them trying to succeed, failing, and resorting to evil to accomplish it (ie. Darth Vader, Magneto, the Punisher, etc)
2. Again, like you said, he wasn’t a threat since he was killed off several times. It’s accurate to the comics, but the terror of seeing him come back over and over again doesn’t translate that easily to the big screen - there are literal years between some movies, and with scheduling conflicts, the hype dies out between one Kang dying and another arriving.
I think to really up the ante, he should have died in Quantumania, but show back up 10 seconds later without a scratch on him - declaring that he is a different version, but on the same mission - and kill off either Scott or the Wasp. Here, we’ve established that he’s a) not invulnerable, b) he’s lethal, and c) his true power lies in the heroes (or audience) dreading his inevitable return.
Thanos was great but would’ve been a lot better if he was manipulating the events of films. He caused Avengers 1 and showed up at the end ragnarok and that’s it. It would’ve been cool if he played a bigger role in some phase 3 movies.
I saw that they were trying to do that a bit with Kang but current mcu writers can’t write for shit and made kang an extremely generic villain of the week. What made thanos interesting is that he wasn’t completely evil and was trying to create a more peaceful world by paying with the high price of people’s lives but ditched the violent option of murdering people and opted to using the stones to give people a painless death. He’s psychotic but you can see where he’s coming from. The one who remains was kind of interesting too cuz he offered a hard choice to Loki, dangerous free will or peace at the cost of suppression. Kang should’ve offered a similar choice, he protects the universe from his other variants in exchange for control and the ability to protect the main universe however he wants to, even if it means destroying other timelines. He could’ve used the snap and claim it was consequences of his lack of protection to pressure the avengers into accepting his offer. Instead the moronic writers wrote him as Saturday cartoon villain screaming “I’m kang” and saying lines like “I’m going to win.” He wants to destroy the multiverse simply because he can. It also doesn’t help that in his first appearance as the main villain, he gets beaten by ants and ant-man because good guys always have to win.
Reason 5 is the same reason why Nemesis from the original RE3 is loved and Nemesis from the RE3 remake isn't
Modak should’ve been the villan quantamania
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In my opinion, although Kang was abit floppy and wasted just like Gorr in Thor, he was more than great in Loki. There was something mystique and power about him in the series. Truly intimidating
Yep, loved he who remains...he was fun, and Victor too
The ultimate mistake is having the Big Bad bad way too much exposure at such an early stage let alone the supposed Avengers film is already having him.
That's why i was 100% fine with them replacing him with Doctor Doom. Kang just came off as an entertaining 1 off villain not the next threat after Thanos.
Comics and Avengers EMH Kang was a big threat, there is reason he is among the top Marvel villains. Kang isn't really an Ant-Man villain, he fights the Avengers and Fantastic Four and ties into the Mutants like Apocalypse. Making him the Ant-Man 3 villain wasn't really needed. Unfortunately his rogues gallery is small, no pun intended many Ant-Man villains were one offs or were used in different MCU projects or were too obscure. Living Laser, Egghead (if he hadn't been taken out in Ant-Man 2), Atlas, Crimson Cowl who was the daughter of Justin Hammer in the comics. In fact that would be an interesting twist Justin Hammers daughter was the benefactor working under her father to get that tech for something evil. Sounds generic but it would tie nicely into Armor Wars.
Even Lego can make a better Kang than the MCU? Idk if you play LMSH games, but the way they portrayed Kang, that was what the MCU lacked. Kang was a threat in LMSH 2. Meanwhile Kang in the MCU got whipped by his ant masters .👴
Kang:read the entire bible and does nothing
Thanos:does a short paragraph and beats then up
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This aged well!
Thanos is literally one of the best film villains as well. I’ve seen him in many rankings of top ten best film villains.
Kang didn’t work that well because for a threat seemingly bigger than Thanos, he pretty much lost every time. He didn’t even feel like an Avengers-level villain. And Marvel just decided to ditch the character because Majors got in trouble and when they could have at least recast him so that they could stuck with developing their original plan, they decided to become extremely desperate and bring in RDJ as Doom. Don’t get me wrong, RDJ is my favorite actor and Dr Doom is a fantastic, I mean phenomenal villain. But the reason why another part of me feels skeptical about this is because he’s going to be introduced so late and I feel like Marvel has become desperate. I mean, Thanos was introduced in a post credits scene in Avengers 1, then debuted in IW and Endgame. Dr Doom is being introduced in F4: first steps and is debuting in Doomsday and Secret Wars, which the former is one year apart and the latter is two years apart. That concerns me because phase five so far had no indication of Doctor Doom whatsoever. Thanos had over ten years of buildup and had deep emotional impact to the viewer. Dr Doom, I just hope they do the character justice, considering the 2005-2007 Doom and the 2015 Doom portrayals were lackluster.
I mean it's obvious why it didn't work, Jonathan Majors was a woman strangler and they refused to recast him. Job done.
They fired him as soon as the news came out. It's not like the guy had a bad record before that 🤔
@@mrheadcannonand he didn’t strangle her either, he tried to push her back in the car so he could get distance, then ran away from her for multiple blocks, through traffic. If we’re being real, that’s not abuse/assault and is actually self defense in this context
Plus in this kinda scenario, personally I’ve never rly cared too much about the actors characters as far as a movie goes. If they do good work that’s what I care about.
For me is about the art.
@@quiteslayer4067if that’s how it worked would you accept your kid having a teacher as a Pdfile?
@@Hysteriikk well that’s different cause they interact with the teacher. I don’t interact with the actor.
Ok. Recast Kang and have him kill Capt Marvel in the opening. That establishes him as a huge threat with how powerful she is
Yeah, because with Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk faced villains and had to overcome people stronger than them. And in the first Captain Marvel, she was basically like, I’m 1,000,000,000 times stronger than you, but no one believes in me, I weak 😢, wait I strong, punch, fight over.
In retrospect it seems like an overexaggeration for that Chitauri to say “to challenge the Avengers is to challenge death” when the team just formed and there’s plenty of strong teams out there
Keep in mind Thor is literally the son of the king of ASGARD, and clearly cares about earth. Going for the avengers means threatening the wrath of ASGARD, which overtook the 9 realms and at the time Odin is still alive and powerful.
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Keep in mind Thanos made a deal with Loki who was also raised by Odin
If Odin isn’t stepping up to Loki doing his mess on earth then Thanos wouldn’t have nothing to fear. After all he can snap him out of existence
@@Sjono Uh, Odin did do something. He sent Thor to capture him and bring him home. It's not like Thor was in much danger from Loki himself, but if Thanos rolled up with his ship and Thor was, say, killed, he'd get VERY angry, as we see in what if with Loki.
Second, no, he couldn't just snap his fingers. He needed the stones for that, and after the first Avengers the space stone was on Asgard. So he'd have to attack Asgard directly to get it, which he obviously didn't do
Seeing Thanos in that post credit scene and the fact that he actually looked like Thanos from the comics except his eyes aren't jet black it had me hype ngl. I wish they would've focused some time on his intelligence showing just how dangerous he is. Like Reed Richards is far behind Thanos in intelligence. He's more on par with Galactus then say Bruce Banner.
I dunno anything abt Kang n first time I see him, he's defeated by ants. Hard to see him as a threat
Man Kang got beaten by Ants that Marvel had to switch to Dr. Doom 💀
Kang FCKD up in real life.
i feel like thanos doesnt do all those other things becuse thats not how we was raised remember in the scene where he says somthing about fighting on titan for food and thats where and how he grew up, he wanted to take away the fighting but remember he is still a product of his environment violence makes violence,to get peace there must be violence its his trauma response or way of thinking, the old!!!! dad beats mom,so to stop dad from hitting mom i hit dad trick
Kang is all bark no bite
When Thanos talks about his plan- it’s given in snippets- first with Gamora it’s the flawed logic behind the madness, which leads to his reasoning behind the logic-
I’m so glad he’s being replaced by doom
a lot of people have the question of "why thanos don't just do X with the stones", I think there's a simple answer, he suffered through his planet's over population and deem the rest of the universe not worthy of just getting free resources, they have to suffer as he did, in his mind if there's no suffering they won't learn, before he got the stones he did the killing manually, so why do the others deserve free resources when some have to die
I don't understand why so many people were disappointed at Kang getting scrapped. He was such a lame uninteresting villain the audience couldn't take serious and his introduction was Ant-Man Quintamania of all movies. He would've been such a huge downgrade from thanos if he did end up being the new big bad. But I think dr doom will Def live up to thanos
I think it also comes with all the controversy around Jonathan Majors around this time
The variants excuse was also lame. It would have been so much better that Kang the Conqueror won in the film and still imply that the other variants are stronger and still fears them.
That would have left a better mark than saying ohhh it's ok for this Kang to get defeated because there other stonger kangs out there. Lame
What they should have done was connect Immortus to Endgame. Since the Avengers basically reset their timeline...they could have gotten Immortus' attention to their timeline. Leading him to engineering attacks in their universe by various Kangs.
I actually forgot that Kang was in Loki and Antman. I was in my head like “I’m excited to see his entrance.” And then I remembered that he was already a part of the MCU and Im just thinking about how disappointing it was.
Kang losing would have been easy for a character like him to recover from.
All you need to do is show that He Who Remains made Kang Lose on Purpose because it needed to happen for Kang to become He Who Remains.
And then He wins when He needs to win for the same reasons.
You made a good point with what thanos could do, but thanos duplicating the worlds resources means water currents expanding and flooding entire planets
It’s because Marvel didn’t do a good enough job MARKETING LOKI. They literally got me into it through Wolverine/Deadpool because Deadpool himself makes a 4th wall reference to the fans about Loki and so I checked it out and WOW was it worth it. Wish I would’ve watched it long ago. But I now see the tie ins between all the multiverse events. It’s actually aging well and has made me revisit a lot of the older movies now. I wasn’t really into the anything Thor - PRE RAGNAROK. But this just opened it up.
I agree, but I think they were going to introduce his variants who were going to be more powerful. It looked like Immortus was going to be renditioned to have some sort of cosmic ability?
The concept of variants is already a mess
Death means nothing
Y’all do realize kang was literally shitting on Thanos in the comics. 😂😂 Thanos feared Kang
Yeah that was in the comics, do you realize we’re talking about the MCU live action adaptation 😂 laughable if you actually thought you were saying something with this him being powerful in the comics doesn’t justify him being weak and being presented poorly in the MCU version
The mcu and comics are separate but interesting to see Thanos feared kang .
MCU Thanos is just a better character tho. MCU Kang is a loser.😂
Kang can still work tho. All it takes is one version of Kang that feels way different then the rest.
Kang is certainly not a bad character, just look at Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes for example
They handled Kang so well as someone who prepares for the future, an antagonist to Tony. Kang was also an antagonist to Cap since Cap was not supposed to be in this time period
And Kang wasn't even evil. He wanted to conquer Earth so he could protect it with his futuristic weaponry, but he did it all to save his wife
Also, AEMH had Kang not only be the main antagonist of an arc but also give hints to the Skrull invasion
You can’t have your next big bad get destroyed by ants
When you get ass whipped by third tier heroes there is no way any movie goer could take him seriously as a threat.
I would still watch kang with majors , given the circumstances
What also is an issue with Kang is that the surrounding media has been received poorly. The main stories of the infinity saga were very well received. But with Kang you have to watch okay movie after okay movie. With that also a ton of shows. An interesting villain. The Kang movie might have made up for the lacklustre story but we will never know.
Motivation: the actor got paid
So how Ant Man should’ve went was Scott and Hope escape the Quantum Realm but Hank and Jannette are killed by Kang helping them escape. Cassie is held captive by Kang and Scott & Hope warn the Avengers about Kang.
I dont understand anything but i still watch bc the transition is funni
I think Loki did a nice job setting up just how much of a threat Kang was, and Ant-Man 3 should've ended with nobody winning and the heros just escaping the quantum realm. That way we get to see Kang in action fighting against an Avenger, but not making it look utterly pathetic in the process. I think we did need Kang in action right away. Thanos not doing really anything till Infinity War worked since he kinda just popped in the Avengers and they were setting up the stones and all that, if they did the Multiverse Saga with no Kang until Avengers 5 that'd just be boring. Of course the way they did it didn't work, but it was an attempt I guess.
Man we did a school trip back when i was in Highschool and saw Avengers. at the Post Credit scene I Screamed out Thats Thanos to a the rest of the school. and one girl was Like "Who Called me a Fatass" And i swear to god I had to explain to her who thanos was Because she was getting real Aggro and was about to Slap me. Luckily My Comic book Knowledge saved me from getting slapped.
They been doing Thanos dirty since End Game. Using him as fodder to boost up other villains. Initially he was a force to be reconed with, but now they are Straight disrespecting him. If the trumos are true, I sure hope we get a King Thanos variant who can redeem the mad titan's legacy.
I'm really glad they replaced him with Doctor Doom. I was totally not interested in the whole Kang crap since day one.
Same
Thanos actually felt like the Main character/protagonist of Infinity War... That's how good Thanos was done
Thanos' motivation is simple to explain, he doesn't care about those other peaceful resolutions.
He is a psychopath and only cares about what solution he thinks can work, which was heavily implied on his backstory in Titan, he is way too focused on killing Half rather than rewriting reality for better distribution.
And even now a lot of people still jokingly says that Thanos was right whenever some ridiculous people do ridiculous things.
Kang failed because nobody takes a pouting man seriously. Honestly one look at Kang & you know he sucks
You could apply every single argument you are making now to Doctor Doom.
I feel like Kang as a villain had a lot of potential, simply because he is different from the other villains. While villains like thanos, dr doom or magneto, at the foundation think that they are doing whatever it is for the greater good, Kang is more towards pure power struggle, and is evil for the sake of it, and given that, he has no innate super powers like the ones i mentioned, and is just a human with knowledge makes him a way more interesting character to explore. But unfortunately they just made him a joke in the mcu. If they would have focused more on his origin story, and the stories of how he conquered various universes instead of rushing to introduce him the main timeline, i feel the impact would have been better.
Did you watched Loki. Cause all I heard was that he is the not the worst variant, he's had it and he just wanted to find a new solution. Compared to that every version of Thanos we got was enemy.
Before Quantumania came out, I thought Ant-Man would be defeated by Kang. This could raise the reputation of the Kang. But it was disappointing, Kang wasn't even in his plans anymore.
It is true that the final big bad needs to feel powerful to win. I would say that Thanos would still be a scary if he lost one battle before endgame. As long as the heroes barely manged to beat him or it was a pyrrhic victory, then Thanos could take one L.
We were actually expecting Kang to return in avengers 6 but his actor got fired and replaced by doctor doom which I’m certainly not complaining about Robert Downey
I already knew this was gonna be a problem when they introduced him in antman 3 there was no coming back from that