There's 3 good Thor movies and he's pretty good in the Avengers movies, especially infinity war. We also got a lot of good depiction of Loki, Odin, Thor's mom, etc. Y'all are so frickin spoiled. We wouldn't have dreamed of getting such movies just a mere 20 years ago.
@@histguy101 Ok? we can still critiize the slop were getting know it doesn't matter if we got good deceptions back than. Were in the now were Thor is a bumbling idiot whos overly emotionally completely betraying his comic counterpart and Loki at this point is not even Loki just a cheap creul imitation. Not even mentioning the other murders of the other Avengers personalities.
All marvel needs right now is just a character that is immortal i do not think there is a character in the comic that is called immortal i hope there is not maybe i don't do research
@@histguy101it would have been one thing if marvel studios paid you off to defend their mediocre movies, but the fact you’re doing it for free is even more shameful
50:26 You also forgot to mention that she was also a slaver who sold countless people to their deaths just so that she could get a drinking money. If Thor wasn’t worthy to be the Asgardian King because he’s drunk and fat, then Valkyrie is wayyyyy less worthy because she’s drunk and killed innocent people. And the worst part is that since the characters (more like Taika and the Russos) considered Valkyrie’s track record of slavery to be in the past, they just forgave her and pretended that her crimes never exist. At least Wanda have someone calling her out (albeit too little). Valkyrie has none.
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It's ironic how much Thor was hurt by Marvel's debilitating need to be constantly cracking jokes, because great comedy comes from contrasting personalities clashing in ways that feel natural, not every single character being the same kind of snarky douchebag who's seemingly always practicing his stand-up routine. A faithful portrayal of Thor would have made for a wonderful contrast to so many other characters, and therefore much funnier interactions.
They ended up having only 1 type of comedy towards the end of phase 1. Each character loses the unique style of humour they need. Tony and Spiderman can be quippy, maybe Hawkeye (but even then different flavours can be done with snarky, dry, deadpan or other). Thor, if he needs to be funny, can provide humour from the oddity of a genuine godlike being being in a normal world.
Literally the ''Shakespeare in the park? Dost mother know you weareth her drapes?'' Scene in The Avengers was so funny because it's a 21st century billionaire playboy showman meeting a 1500 year old Norse ''God'' who's super serious. So yes, it's exactly as you say. The contrast would create the humor. But fanboys only have themselves to blame for this one. People still claim Ragnarok is one of the best MCU films. It's one of the worst. Black Panther, Endgame, Ragnarok.
That's what happened in Avengers EMH, and it was great. Thor would clash with Iron Man over magic vs. technology, and their different personalities and backgrounds made the humor work.
@InevitableOption-ic2vx because it was 2011. We were not at a point when a superhero movie could be genre breaking outside of an action movie. We wouldn’t get that until Joker. Thor as a character was somebody nobody cared about before that time especially since he wasn’t doing shit in the comics. If the audience of 2011 general audiences were going to be shown this fantasy epic on the heels of iron man and hulk they’d have been confused especially if what followed it was another action movie in The First avenger and Avengers. Thor would still be the odd one out but it would have looked more comicbooky which would have turned people away
See my thing with Fat Thor is that could have worked more if it didnt have an air of humor to it. I personally always got the point of it being about grief and depression. But because they made it like "thor is fat, laugh" many people didnt take kindly to it. i always looked at it like damn he's really going through it, trying to cope but everyone can clearly see he is suffering and running away from it and not acknowledging his emotions. His emotional moment with his mom would have been more impactful if Thor was more fantastical. Playing into his Game of Thrones esc world would have made it great rather than it being sci fi but maybe thats just me
Thor should have never gone fat nor he should have ever gone into the comedy route in end game. After lossing his mother, father, brother, his home and half of his people, he should have been a very depressed guy. Thor would have worked if he excommunicated himself from the Avengers and went somewhere else as he is depressed and angry. And it should have been followed up with Hulk and Racoon trying to convince to return back with Thor trying to attack them and leading to the avengers base where rest of the crew tries to stop him. While Tony works on the time machine..it should have ended with Tony saying the can undo the Thanos snap and Thor rejoining Avengers only for the sake of taking revenge on Thanos. It would have meant more if depressed and vengeful Thor met his mother who would have comforted him and Thor finally seeing a bright side to his life.
Fat thor was a good idea the writers didn't commit to. Letting yourself go like that is literally what happens when depression and hopelessness take over, and seeing thor overcome that and return to his past glory would have been a fantastic arc for him.
Another thing is that Thor was also supposed to be the next Protector of the 9 Realms but I guess he only had to take care of New Asgard and maaaybe Midgard, so what the hell happened to the other 7 realms? He even said in Ragnarok that the 9 realms are in "chaos" and that they're "plotting Asgards demise" and yet we see none of that.
The fact that I had to experience the sheer brilliance of the story in Planet Hulk through a disappointed criticism of movies that blew any hopes of the story coming to the screens honestly makes me so sad. Seemed like it could’ve been a guaranteed S tier movie
Here’s a reminder for you all, the mcu got Anthony fucking Hopkins as Odin and did absolutely nothing with him and gave him nothing to work with, they got the greatest living actor for Odin as did nothing with it, they pretty much did nothing with everything else as well, they never explore any of the Norse myths, that could have been really cool, they never explore the 9 realms, we olny get to see a little bit of jutunheim, vanaheim and muspelheim, we never see any of the other Norse gods except for Odin, Thor, loki, heimdall, frigg, sif and hela, we never see Freyr, freya, baldur, magni, modi, jormungandr, tyr, bragi, forseti, njord and mimir, I could name many more but you get my point. And all the gods that we do see are all a huge disappointment from what they could have been, all we see from the valkyries is just pure poop, it’s all just so disappointing, and all in all Thor in the mcu is absolute ass and his world and cast is as much if not bigger disappointment than himself
They Nerf Thor so Captain and Ironman sell more When Thor IS literally the Captain América incorruption Cap have Civil War and made a Mess because IS human also Tony arresting heros
Ironically enough, James Gunn, somebody with talent and a vision, took the guardians, a bunch of literally who z listers, and made them some of the standout characters of the franchise.
@@ValiantJack James Gunn could change and take a lot of creative liberties because at the time no one even knew who they were. The directors can’t do the same with Avengers or X men.
@@justasentientmclarenp1879 That’s true, i suppose the success of the guardians created a ripple effect where they tried to make every character into le quirky goofballs, hence Thor Ragnarok
The biggest problems with marvel and dc is that when they hire people to adapt their characters, they pretty much always hire people that couldn’t give two shits about the source material, unlike lord of the rings, where you can clearly tell that the people behind that cared about the source material they were pulling from, and had respect for Tolkien and his work
the source material wasn't written with the same care and depth tolkien novels are. comics literally come from low quality pulp fiction. no one in real life is going to talk like characters do in the comics. even if there is some concept or idea that Thor was supposed to represent, it likely is something that is irrelevant today (such as how iron man represents american exceptionalism in the cold war). the serialised format is also fundamentally different owing to differing lengths and how impactful each plot beat must be. barring Thor 4, Thor is exactly as he should be in the MCU.
You're so right about Asgard being made more science fiction than fantasy. Thor 2 should have excelled at this considering the director of that movie is a director from GoT.
I bet that was a conscious decision by Marvel. Bet the director wanted a fantasy/period style. But Marvel knew Thor would have to fit with the modern world with Stark etc so made Asgard furturistic which made no sense why he was a fish out of water on earth 😅 Maybe also to look different from Game of Thrones which was popular at the time!
@@personafanatic4597the god of thunder couldn’t even take a little electricity and it was at that moment I knew that Thor 3 was going to be absolute poop
Loki is a great show. I really like his take on a lot of things, but on that show it’s a bad take. It’s well written, sticks within its established character behavior and has a good story. Instead of complaining he should try watching it for what it is instead of what he wants it to be.
@@TheHannukahZombieIt is a terribly written show. You're free to like it but the plot falls apart on every level and Loki is just absolutely a different character in the show than he is in the infinity saga.
It's not even MCU Loki, it's a whole different character who goes by Loki. Neither MCU Loki or comic book Loki would ever act like that, and allow people to treat him like that.
Since we have Thor problem, now I would love to see your video about “The MCU Wanda Problem”. Because with Wanda, the MCU managed to open a pandora box of superhero genre that is the “protagonist-centric morality” aka “it’s okay when we do it” trope. Just look at the amount of superheroes in media who committed evil acts but were being portrayed as good things ever since that quote “They will never know what you sacrificed for them”.
i know someone who loved the second dr strange movie but i can't for the life of me see why. it's complete shit with so many problems that it breaks my brain to think of them all
The MCU Thor problem, much like problem with any project based on an existing IP that doesn't live up to its source material, is they keep hiring ignorant, dispassionate people to handle these movies. Not to point fingers, but you all guessed who I'm talking about. It's not even a question if the filmmakers are preexposed to the source material. They don't have to be gigafans, but at least their sensibilities have to fit in with the source material they're adapting. If you vibe with something, you can become a fan overnight. Chris Nolan wasn't collecting comic-books as a kid, but his sensibilities fit like a glove for a gritty take on Batman. Waititi's problem isn't that he's a comedy guy. Waititi's problem is that it's all he is. There are no layers to him. You could've done, in theory, a comedic take on Thor that still feels like Thor and can fill in MCU's quota for "it has to be fun or it shouldn't be made"; a Thor movie in the style of Pirates of the Caribbean or the first Hobbit movie. Instead, we got a Thor movies that are Thor movies in name only and could've been about any other MCU character, since there is nothing distinctly Norse or mythic about them. Thor doesn't act like Thor, characters from Thor's iconography barely appear or resemble what they're supposed to be, there are no grand adventures across mythic realms, there is no sense of verisimilitude, no earned drama, nothing. It's quite sad now that to the general audience the default image of Thor is a bumbling fool who speaks in plain Modern English and treats inanimate objects better than he does The Warriors Three and Sif.
@@shum8104 no, I was actually thinking mainly about Ragnajoke when pointing out those things, because that movie has all the problems I'm talking and was a stepping stone for a downward spiral that the character fell into. I don't ever consider Dumb and Thunder a movie worthy of sufficient criticism when Ragnajoke was the one to commit all those sins first.
23:20 If Shane Black directed *Superman & Lois* he would make Lex Luthor just an actor called Alan Harper & the REAL villain of the show is FELICITY SMOAK
Fat Thor isn’t even mythologically accurate. The idea a God who eats and drinks like a dumpster, must also be as fat as the mere mortals who also eat and drink like dumpsters completely misses the point of mythology and divine idealization. The concept also completely ignores all primary sources we have on Thor specifically, who’s described as powerfully built, and zero mention of being fat. So Fat Thor pisses me off twofold. For missing the point of the comics, and for bastardizing the mythology said comics are based on.
Before anyone brings up God of War, Thor being fat there was meant to played dramatically. His alcoholism was serious in-universe and him being out of shape was one of the ways he was a damaged man due to his father's abuse of him.
At least of God of War Rangarok, while Thor was indeed fat, his body type moreso resembled that of a powerlifter. Plus, he still looked strong enough to crush your skull. This is a fat Thor I could get behind, whereas the one from Endgame was just a bad joke.
@@kristofgriffin384 The GoW Thor was strongman fat, which is a body type that would've made sense for a scandivanian deity, even if that Thor is a depressed drunkard (which GoW handles a lot better than Marvel). Marvel's fat Thor clearly has a beer belly, which doesn't even make sense in lore because the first movie established that Thor was a hell of a party animal, getting black out drunk after pretty much every battle, and it had no effect on his physique.
It took years but I finally found someone else who saw all the problems with Ragnarok. I can never enjoy that movie, and that was the beginning of the end of my MCU interest.
the wannabe science fantasy nature of the first 2 movies makes them repulsive. there is 0 depth in Thor or Asgard, ver little is is lost in this reinvention. 3 is much better.
Not to mention… Chris Hemsworth did nothing but PRAISE Waititi when Ragnorak came out. He was touting him around like a best friend. Everything was well in the workd- Waititi released Jojo Rabit too and was introduced to more commercial as well as critical success. The thing about Waititi though is he is a man of morals. He knows what he believes in and he isnt afraid to say that. Cut to Love and Thunder. Hemsworth was sooo into promoting the movie and talking it up- until the movie came out and the backlash came out. Hemswroth immediately backtracked and began throwing Waititi under the bus blaming him for the “messages” etc. Hemsworth killed his only relationship with a powerful/demanded/critically acclaimed director for the sake of not having a spine and sticking up for the film he made (he couldve just said “you know some people dont like it but i enjoyed myself and i like it regardless”). Hemsworth has killed any future for critical success as well. No serious director is going to hire him after seeing him throw a “good friend” director under the bus. Because of Love and Thunder and how Hemsworth handled it, I predict that he will be relegated to brain-rot netflix movies for the rest of his career.
While that's a stupid move on his end, I can't say I'd mind it all that much. He falls into the category of actors like Chris Pratt and The Rock, who pretty much only ever portray themselves on screen, and most scripts they're given work around that, instead of actually *acting* as someone else.
HBO are not the ones to blame for the failure of Game of Thrones’ final two seasons. That blame goes to D&D for not accepting their offer to make more seasons after Season 6 was complete and just deciding to rush the rest of the show just to fill their own egotistical resumes as the creators of that show.
I mean season 5 was when the ship started to crack, season 6 it started to really show and well then the final 2 seasons, don't even need to say anything. Unfortunately I don't think that even with more time and seasons, Dumb And Dumber could've written a good ending to the Ice and Fire story. Hell George is 76, I don't think we'll even get Winds of Winter at this rate, let alone a good unrushed ending IF we get one.
As much as I agree with everything else , I feel you were very unfair with the scene of Thor and his Mother reuniting .It was not merely him being a crybaby and getting his spirits lifted .It was kind of a poignant bit of Thor having fallen to Depression after such profound loss after loss and being reminded by said someone he lost long ago that his suffering does not make him lesser and that within him still remains the Strength and worthiness to fight .All the things around it were awfully made but it was still a nice bit .
I like the scene too but it's as if you found a piece of chocolate covered in poop, you can still eat it but ultimately the poop is being eaten too and the chocolate isn't as good as it could've been.
The issue is that everything leading up to that moment was treated as a joke about Thor being a fat schlub now rather than as the story of a broken man going through a serious bout of depression brought on by a recent string of back to back to back life shattering events.
And it would've been great if Thor's depression wasn't mocked, or if it lead anywhere and Thor didn't still act the same and be treated the same way before the scene as after it.
I really did like the 2nd Loki series which was in a multiverse - a different Loki, and they state right off it is a multiverse and a different "variant" Loki. So I can divide it, and in fact, it reminded me more of Dr Who, which is gone now, so I guess I have to take my Dr Who where I can find it. If you watch the 1st Loki series, one of the Lokis says he DOES get away from Thanos by using illusion. He teaches the protagonist Loki how to more fully explore his power and how many more illusion powers he has. In other words, the Loki that comes to that series does not have a full understanding of his power yet and is taught them - time control, mind enchantment, etc, by the many versions of himself he runs into. The Loki he runs into says, We are far more powerful than we realize. A fun concept. I think the female Loki is meant to be a concept of the Enchantress - not a very good casting choice - while a good fighter and excellent enchanter, she is a complete failure as a person and is the one responsible for destroying everything through her insatiable and selfish desire for revenge. So she is broken and Loki has to fix the mess she makes. Now, according to ancient Norse myths, Loki was NOT the god of evil. He was a trickster, and he did some nasty things, but he was a helpful god who understood things didn't need to be done forthrightly all the time. People would pray for help in financial deals and such. The other gods would turn to him for help when they needed some streetwise help. He got the other gods out of many problems, which is why he was considered Odin's friend. He only became "evil" in the Christian era when he gathered the identity of the devil.
I can’t thank you enough for ripping into Thor Ragnarok. I want justice for my boy Thor and your right, as much as I love him the mcu didn’t push his character far enough.
The most ridiculous thing was how many times Thor is electrocuted. First by Darcy’s taser. I understand that he had lost this powers then, but in reality, a man the size of Hemsworth can shake off even a cop’s taser. Certainly not be knocked unconscious for hours while he is strapped down in a hospital bed, wearing a hospital gown. He didn’t wake up through all that from one zapped from a consumer grade taser to the god of thunder? Then Valkyrie shocked him a zillion times and knocked his ass out. Not really a god of thunder? Before the fan boys repeat Taika’s retcon excuse that it was a neurotoxin, not electricity, that’s a lie. That was only after it was pointed out how stupid and wrong it is for a man who channels lightning bolts, which are more powerful than an atomic bomb, can be electrocuted by a tiny disk on his neck, like a dog’s shock collar. It was not intended to be a neurotoxin. If so, then Taika didn’t do his homework because everyone thought it was electricity until he gave his bad excuse and fan boys lapped it up. He should have known that no neurotoxin makes static and crackling noises. Neurotoxin don’t make human nervous system sudden shake the same way a body would with electricity. Take a large dose of oxycodone and you will just go to sleep. Take the same dose of fentanyl and you will go to sleep and never wake up. That’s how most nerve agents work. I know of none that make someone shake like that and neither does anyone else because everyone thought it was electricity after seeing the movie. When you use electric noises and have the actor shake like being electrocuted, that’s what the audience will think and will laugh that the demigod of thunder and lightning can be electrocuted. Taika should just admit he made a mistake and wasn’t thinking or reading the comics at all, that’s because Taika has no respect for the character or comic and made the movie he wanted. Even a seizure is not as violent as electrocution. Seizures have larger muscle jolting, where an electrocution makes every small muscle jerk very quickly, like the way Hemsworth did in Ragnarok. The MCU hates Thor. I don’t know why they even decided to use him as an Avenger if he was going to only be the butt end of everyone’s jokes? I only got a bit excited during Infinity War during the second half of the movie. Thor’s scene with a CGI raccoon happened to be one of the best scenes they ever gave Hemsworth to give Thor some depth. His reveal on the Wakanda battlefield was the pinnacle of Thor in the MCU. It made me excited for Endgame, actually wanting to believe that they would take Thor into a dark place, but not the fat surrender ass we got, it someone on a path more like Ronan. Why’s is it that Hawkeye gets a better depression actions more interesting than Thor. Imagine Thor going that dark and the damage he could do, but only if they gave him the real Thor power like in the comics? Thor would not give up and get fat. Thor should have wanted retribution, so when he got a chance to finally face a Thanos, he should have been a much greater foe for Thanos than Captain America. Fat Thor was funny for about a minute. Thor’s powers are magical, he shouldn’t have to work out to get strong. Does Superman have to do reps at the local gym to stay buff? It would make more sense for Hawkeye to get fat. He’s just a human and lost his entire family. Thor isn’t human, he shouldn’t get fat. When I saw that first scene, I thought that once they told him they could get another shot at Thanos, he’d call down lightning and Boom! He’d be chiseled Hemsworth once again. Nope, we were stuck with fat Thor for the entire movie. That sucked for Thor fans. Yours right, he was just a menace on the battlefield. When Captain America has to save your ass, you’re not much of a superhero. Thor should have been able to at least hurt Thanos, even with his bare hands. They destroyed Thor in Endgame. Tony said it right calling him the big Labowski, because that’s what Thor became. He’d have been more at home in movie The Big Lebowski. I was so disappointed when I came out of the theater after Endgame and hearing everyone else excited about how good it was. Endgame sucked. I thought for sure they would let Thor do the snap? Why not? He was the one who felt responsible for allowing Thanos to snap everyone away. His redemption arc would be snapping everyone back, even if he died doing it. I would have rather had Thor go out a boss, like Tony did, rather than continue on with this pitiful Thor character the MCU has created. They couldn’t even give us that, instead, Banner gets the snap? It may make sense because he’s the strongest, but there is no through-line between Hulk and Thanos. That’s bad storytelling, like Arya killing the a Night King, it made no sense. She had no run-in with the villain until five minutes before she easily killed him. Everyone knows it was supposed to be Jon Snow. What? The Hulk lost one fight with Thanos? Thanos killed Thor’s brother and best friend and Thor had a chance to kill Thanos, but instead decided it torture him for the pain he has caused Thor. Like Thor told Rocket, “what else can I lose”. He was in the depths of despair then and that was before the snap. They didn’t pay off Thor’s best scene in the saga. Big deal, he got to kill weak Thanos, with help from Captain Marvel, of course, in a seen so short that if you stopped to get popcorn you would have missed it. Thor deserved more for everything he had been through. They could have paid off all those crappy Thor movies that came before by letting him do the snap or at least really injure Thanos in the battle, rather than just having his ass handed to him time after time. I’m done with the MCU. They also destroyed Captain America when they turned him into a coward version of Joe Biden. “Screw this world, I’m dancing with Peggy and will use my super soldier endurance to win dance marathons”. Twinkle Toes Ragers was his new name and he and Peggy danced in the police state that Red Skull had created after Hydra took over with their airships that could target any enemies from hundreds of miles. Great job Marvel. At least you didn’t ruin Ironman. Tony got a boss ending, but poor T’Challa got to die offscreen from a virus? That makes no sense, any virus that can take down anyone who drank the purple juice would wipe out their entire nation. He had advanced healing, how can he die for the flu? It wasn’t even some weaponized virus made by an evil madman. That would be too much story for them to deal with, they need to get it over quick and milk whatever tears they could for poor Chadwick. They couldn’t even celebrate the character’s death by making it a sacrifice. What a slap int ej face of Boseman, he deserves better.at least give him a memorable death and go out a hero. Since his uniform covers his entire body, he could have easily been taken out while saving the world, or at least saving Wakanda. The MCU loves giving the characters embarrassing deaths and endings. They have lost it and now it’s going to only be female heroes from now on. If Captain Marvel, with Brie Larson, is the best the MCU can do for a good female superhero, I’m out!
Thor should of snapped everyone back, hell let him snap Asgard back and have him lose his arm to have segue into Thor 4 where Jane takes up the hammer like the lady Thor comics. I was okay with the idea of Thor falling into depression after everything that happened but making it a big joke (+ with him being fat) just came across as shitty all around.
Yup, just as Stupid as when in Iron Man 3 IRON MAN IS USING A CAR BATTERY TO CHARGE A NUCLEAR REACTOR, that's basically like trying to fill an desertic ocean with 1 single Waterglass
I totally agree with everything you said! I call upon all of us Marvel Fans! Let us unite together and write our own Marvel Cinematic Universe with great and consistent characters! Let us show them what it is that makes those characters great!
I think casual audiences like myself just liked Ragnarok because we enjoyed it for what it was, blissfully unaware of what it could have been. I think that's okay, as long as audiences like those remain open-minded to the source material, and understand the perspectives of long-time audiences. I liked many films on first watch, but knowing what I do now, I can feel a good deal of disappointment that more wasn't done.
I still think Ragnarok is awful. There is one scene that is memorable and the rest is terrible. It needed to slow down and take itself seriously. Its the marvel equivalent of a prank video made for ten year old.
It also pulled the same stunt as the last jedi with Odin fading to nothing instead of facing fenrir. (It's like when luke faded to nothing in tlj)@@esdeathsenpai5128
I wish they would've got Malaketh more true to his comic version! I would LOVE to see a Live Action Movie based on the several issue Thor storyline that's called "WAR of the REALMS"! If you haven't read ut yet, I highly suggest that everyone should check it out! Bc it also involves a LOT of Marvel Superheroes on Thor's side & a lot of Villians on the other side! The Battles Break out throughout ALL of the 9 REALMS with a lot of Casualties on both sides by the time the WAR is over. If Disney/MCU would get the RIGHT Director that would stay TRUE to the Source Story, then Disney/MCU should let the people make the movie that EVERY FAN will LOVE!
Honestly, they got rid of Asgard too quickly. Ragnarok should have been a much later movie. MCU should’ve stuck with the comics stuff. They should have had Hela be Loki’s daughter like she is in both Comics and Mythology. Let Hela rule the land of the dead, where she’s at her most powerful at. They should’ve replaced Hela with Angela. Like Angela is Odin’s first born; so why not have the movie about her and the realm she grew up in. Which brings me to the topic of how the MCU forgot to add many other asgardian characters such as Amora the Enchantress and Balder.
I’m only now realizing Thor 4 should’ve been Thor settling the power vacuum left by the destruction of asguard and the snap. You could even include the guardians seeing as they’d be after the same goal. It could also easily tie into a Thor 5 (which if they HAD TO they could’ve used gorr)
If you want to give any humor to Thor, it’s better to have him not understanding Earth culture. But to do that you have to make him seem like a mythical legend, not your coworker who thinks he’s funny when he isn’t.
Thor used to be self conscious and died his deye brows.. it’s like a personal journey in the background.. apparently he did for over 1000 years only to finally stop before Thor 2 : the dark squirreled.
I thought I was the only one who didn't really like Ragnarok...I never liked Taika Waititi as a director or person. And this movie didn't help his case. He RUINED Thor and Hulk AND the World War Hulk storyline, who up to that point could have been redeemed... Now they're beyond help. Also Love and Thunder was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Inexcusable. And I hate Smart Hulk.
Imo Ragnarok absolutely killed Thor and thats the REAL Downfall Although the first 2 movies were a bit bland at least Thors character himself was written decently to pretty good. Ragnarok is just... Man i hate him in it Hes just so goofy and theres so serious serious moments in that movie that are seriously undercut with jokes. I blame taika for killing thor
I came up with my own idea of what the first Thor film could have been: Overall, this version would be a lot more colourful. The film opens with the scene of the frost giants war with the Asgardians, replacing the scene where Thor lands on earth. We saw a more saturated Asgard, with flora interwoven with the architecture and an actual rainbow bridge. Thor (who wears his helmet a lot more in this film) is seen hanging out in the kingdom with Lady Sif and the Warriors Three. Loki, the god of mischief and Thor’s (step) brother, has grown ambitious and jealous of his brother and his (step) father Odin. Wanting to be rid of his brother, Loki casts an illusion depicting a sudden infiltration by the Frost Giants into Asgard (which we don’t find out about until later). Whilst the All-Father calls for no immediate action, an arrogant and impatient Thor and pals travel by Bifrost to the realm of Jotunheim, launching a unwarranted attack against Laufey and his people, just as Loki wanted. When Odin arrives, Thor heralds the arrival of Asgardian might, however, Odin calls out his son’s foolish actions. Weighing his options, the All-Father decides to banish Thor to Midgard, stripping him of the power of Mjölner. The sudden and unexpected trip from the Bifrost causes Thor to gain amnesia. After walking up on Midgard, the god of thunder, now reduced to a mere mortal, is unable to remember his name, eventually adopting the alias Donald Blake. Thor, or Donald Blake, ends up living in the state of New Mexico for the next few weeks. Meanwhile in Asgard, Loki discovers he was actually a Frost Giant, taken away by Odin during the war between Jotunheim and Asgard. Realising this, Loki now has a new goal to take over Asgard. The All-Father goes into his Odin Sleep shortly there after, leaving the throne open. Back on Midgard, or Earth, Donald Blake has started making a quiet, peaceful life for himself in a small New Mexico town. It was here where he met a nurse name Jane Foster, and the two soon began dating. Around this time, after floating around Space for a while after being thrown into the Bifrost by Odin, Mjölnir lands on Earth. As Loki is making preparations to at last seize the throne, he discovers that Mjölner has ended up on Midgard, also learning that Thor is there as well. Wanting to eliminate a threat to his plans, he sends an enchanted set of sentient armour known as the Destroyer to kill his brother. When the armour arrives in his small town, Donald Blake sees the Destroyer and runs away in terror, thinking only of himself. When he looks back, he sees Jane terrified on the floor, the Destroyer standing over her. Blake’s humility over comes him and he quickly rushes over to help his girlfriend, briefly fending off the Destroyer with a large branch. The two leave the town as the Destroyer continues to ravage it. As Jane and Donald drive out of town, the hammer begins calling to Donald. They drove up to a cliff overlooking the crater in which Mjölnir sits, surrounded by S.H.I.E.L.D soldiers. Fighting his way through, Donald grasps the hammer and managed to lift it, causing lighting to envelop him. Jane watches as Thor regains his mirrors, his armour and helmet forming around him Thor quickly takes Jane back to town, flying through the air, ready to face the Destroyer. After defeating the Destoyer, Thor calls upon the Bifrost, leaving Jane behind as he returns to Asgard. When he returns, he comes back to see his kingdom being ravaged by the Frost Giants, all part of Loki’s scheme to achieve power. Fighting through the hoard, Thor challenges Laufey, who kindly accepts. Fighting across the Kingdom and onto the Rainbow Bridge, Thor defeats Laufey. This fight however is soon followed by Loki attacking, using his magic to duplicate and fight his brother. The fight ends with Loki falling off the bridge into the void, presumably to his death.
Dude, they wrote Moon Knight's T.I.D. as Schizophrenia (when those 2 things are totally different) & treat him as a Joke *Do you expect more from Disney, really?*
Love & Thunder should’ve been Infinity War & Ragnorak Thor, a few jokes tossed around every now & then but an overall more mysterious, darker, violent & powerful. Gorr In L & T was legit kinda scary sometimes. Imagine that against a serious & traumatized Thor
34:14 That's Actually Pretty Accurate & One of the Biggest Examples was the animated Show FANTASTIC 4 WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES where: -Originally Moonscoop wanted to gave Sue Pink Anime Hair -They wanted to make Doom 100% Tech based & with No Magic Powers(he would even had Iron Man Blank-Light Eyes) But Marvel Pushed Back those ideas in favor to respect the Escence of the Characters, & Thx to that WE GOT THE BEST DEPICTION OF THE F4 ON ANIMATION
I'll never get over how they gave Thor his eye back it honestly irritates me so much that eyepatch and the gnarly scar he got with it represented years of character growth and maturity over the years. It showed all of the hardships he went through and was a reminder to the man he became and to not be like how Odin was. The fact that it was the SAME eye as his father further showed this but for some reason they gave his eye back.. not even halfway through the next movie? We'll atleast he still has that scar right? NOPE they forgot about it and not you cannot tell at all that he had lost his eye its honestly insulting
I wish in Endgame, Thor wouldve been angry instead of miserable, like he just becomes this warrior king who’s bloodthirsty and would jump at the chance to finish Thanos off properly, and show him actually holding his own against Thanos one on one
You're generally spot on but dishonest regarding Superman. Superman is far from always good and never changes, that is the crux of Superman II - also you suggest that Superman never faces temptation but that also is the core message of Superman vs The Elite, he literally makes a speech about it, and mentions it as frustrating when he goes all out on Darkseid in the finale episode of JLU. For someone so detailed I am honest baffled by your simplistic and immature assertions about Superman.
12:20 Thor the Dark World is the first thing to explicitly stated but the first movie also implied that for and the asgardians are not literal gods. " your ancestors called it magic you call it technology I come from a world where they are one in the same." This line and that whole scene imply that Thor is not a literal God
Thor comic was the Captain America of MCU, incorruptible with speeches and unique quotes Yet he is a pet for comedy just like Hulk They can't adapt one story without being nerf Thor and FUNNY JOKES Literally Butcher of Gods and Ragnarok are really good, dark with fantasy and a message Now is just trash from Corpo disney
30:31 Spiderverse called the MCU earth 99999 I think? And since Mysterio is lying and Christine was just making up the classifications, but Miguel actively travels the multiverse, I'ma go with the Spiderverse version. That the MCU is earth 99999
Braeden you are one of the best new commentators here. Great video after great video. Love to hear your perspective. Please make more content! I can't get enough of what Marvel should've done.
While it might’ve been unpleasant for Hemsworth to play this style of character, Thor should’ve been 70-80% straight man to the comedians he’s around. Everyone should have a balance of both but he should be the most, with Steve in close behind at say 60-70%.
I never thought I'd say this, but I strongly hated Natalie Portman in a role. The last Thor movie with her was that point for me. Totally agree with you about Thor turning into what Tyka wanted: to make him a dumb white bro. Lastly, Loki went from twisted and brilliant to cartoonish and single minded. High point of all the Thor movies I've seen was Hela. One of the best villains of the MCU IMHO
You brought up Adam West vs Christian Bale batman. I personally DO prefer Adam West nowadays. (There are so many serious batman portrayals nowadays that I just prefer to laugh with one every now and again.) But that doesn't mean I'd want someone to jump the shark and make Christian Bale into Adam West.
Here's my take on how Thor should have been handled all together: For starters, Thor's origin movie would follow what you mentioned (young Thor earning the worthiness to wield Mjollnir) along side developing the Asgardians (including Enchantress and Loki as possible inner threats to Asgard). Reserving Thor's arrival for The Avengers, along side introducing Jane Foster as a paramedic during the New York battle. In Thor 2, the story would follow Loki's evil scheme to rule Asgard by inciting a war against the dark elves, leading Malekith and Kurse The Aether on Earth, forcing Thor to chase after them along side his Asgardian friends to fend off the attack. This would, in turn, leave the Enchantress open to attack asgard from inside, allowing Loki to pull his mischievous plan to betray the dark elves, "sacrificing" his life to sneak on to the throne and rule asgard while Thor is away dealing with conflicts on Earth (or across the nine realms). I would scrap Ragnarok, in favor of a battle for Asgard, introducing Baldr for the first time, and making him the one to signal Thor and company back to Asgard, this would develop Thor and Baldr's bond and trust, while giving Loki and Enchantress development as they attempt to retain their rule of asgard. In a stunning turn of events, Loki would make his attempt to escape, but not before revealing the big bad Thanos on fast approach for the space stone. The sudden use of the stone, along side the clash between Loki and Thor would open a worm hole that teleports them both to a remote location. In Infinity War, Thanos makes his majestic arrival, as the brothers try to make sense of where they landed. Thanos arriving will mirror Thor's arrival on Earth, signifying his presence and power out the gate. While the brothers make a temporary truce to fight together, Loki betrays Thor and puts him in the line of fire, ultimately weakening him and placing him at the mercy of the mad titan. But it turns into a double ruse, where Loki attempts to take advantage of the situation and the power of the tesseract to overcome Thanos, but ultimately fails as he sees through his deception, and rips the space stone from Lokis hands. With the space stone in hand, Thor (having his bearings in order) attempts to attack the mad titan, but is rendered powerless and is knocked unconscious, diverting his full attention to the god of mischief. After another botched attempt from Loki, though proving effective at first, Thanos uses the space stone and pulls the god into his open palm, strangling the last breath of the wicked deity and leaving the thunderer where he lays, as his plan is bigger and more important than any being within the cosmos. This would set up Thor's encounter with the Guardians, and send him on his revenge quest, though some more details will be needed.
Technically the purpose of Thor’s helmet was used for a ceremony it was not designed for battle. Also, Chris Hemsworth hated the helmet that’s why he didn’t use it in the first Thor movie. Also, what are your thoughts on Ultimate Avengers 2 ? The Ultimates Volume 2 wasn’t even finished yet and they had to come up with an original story for the sequel of the first movie.
That isn’t in the movie tho, they never state that’s it’s only for ceremonies, and am I supposed to believe a multi billion dollar company couldn’t make a more wearable helmet, and I don’t care that hemsworth didn’t like the helmet, he’s getting paid millions, he has no right to complain about the hamlet being uncomfortable, when hiddelston wore the horned helmet
There is also something else I would like to add and that is that, modern actors are a bunch of pussies, they are so comfortable and refuse to go thru any hardship, if you look at behind the scenes stuff on lord of the rings, there are stories of actors breaking bones and still pushing through, there is blood and sweat that went into that trilogy, hemsworth being a lazy fuck when it comes to wearing the helmet is a perfect representation of modern actors, they refuse to go thru anything at all, they are way to comfortable and can’t go anywhere without their assistants, it’s no wonder why so many modern movies suck absolute balls, the people that make them refuse to go thru any hardship or struggle
Thor should have snapped instead of Hulk and lost his arm. Thor felt like a failure because he did not stop the Snap when he could have. Hulk should have fought Thanos and become professor hulk. Hulk lost his friends and couldn't protect them because he wouldn't let Banner help him. Thor, now depowered legitimately, could join the fight against Thanos, but can't keep up, queue Banner watching Thanos almost kill Thor which brings out the Hulk finally. However Hulk still struggles against Thanos, and you have a nice quick scene where Banner is yelling at Hulk internally on how to beat Thanos. Hulk makes a deal with Banner, the deal is Hulk wants to WIN this fight, BAM Professor Hulk. Thor then could "retire" as an Avenger and take over as King of Asgard, and Hulk gets the much deserved rematch AND end his arc nicely as well. Lay down some hints that Thor and Hulk could return later down the line. I am one man and I did the work of an entire writing department.
"What kind of coke were you drinking" is a joke that I am absolutely stealing. Also, for the love of god I am so beyond down for a Halo show critique in a similar fashion. Few things in this world I despise more than that god awful show. You know its bad when that weird "Haloid" Animation where Chief is a woman who fights alongside and inside Samus from Metroid, is still more lore accurate and fitting than that show.
@@ArcTrooper269It was?...Well you know what? My point still stands gawt dammit. A parody of Halo with a Spartan other than the chief was still more accurate.
@@DetectiveJones Snake Eyes 2021 🤝🏾 Halo 2022 *Insulted me For Being a Fan of Gi Joe & Halo, hiring an Unlikeable prick who hates the the character to play him(Henry Goldwin & Pablo Schreibeir) & Wasting 10 years of Productions into a Garbage Project*
The origin story aspect of the first Thor movie makes less and less sense the more you think about it. You can't have a story where Loki finds out he's a Frost Giant for the first time and Thor considers Loki to be a loyal friend, while also making it canon that humans know about Norse myth. How did humans find out Loki was an evil Frost Giant villain hundreds of years ago but the actual Asgardians didn't?
31:28 *Just as stupid as when Paramount Made a Snake Eyes Movie where Snake Eyes(the Bad Ass, Stoic & Mute Ninja with an unbrekable spirit & NEVER takes off his Mask) TALKS, HAS A REMOVABLE MASK THAT HE NEVER WEARS & MAKES QUIPPY ONE LINERS EVERY 2 SECONDS, & The main actor, Henry Goldwin Said they did that because the OG Snake Eyes was "Boring & Generic"*
I can't believe I'm going to say this but the mask two did a better job At Portraying Loki's powers than the MCU there he's just knife guy an maybe making clones of himself we had a little a there but not much
I remeber one guy, i forget who but this isnt my idea, but a completely different route with New Asguard and post killing Thanos Thor. That he becomes very protective of Asguard and essentially turns New Asguard into a fortress. Every Asgardian has turned into a warrior to protect New Asguard from anything. Thor has seen Asguard destroyed with a number of its people killed, only to be cut in half by Thanos so he becomes very overprotective and isolated from the Avengers. Sif even comes back to help (i forget what point he made with this but where the hell did she go between movies) And the final end point of this is he doesnt abandon New Asguard to give to not valkyrie to make her the new king, but so he can find them a better home instead of essentially conquering a part of earth for Asguard. He's still a king, he is just temporally going somewhere else.
Braeden, great video!! Again!! It would be really interesting/exciting to hear your version/plot for a new Hulk movie. Personally I argue the Hulk is the most demolished character in the MCU. But with the prospect of having some of the most exciting and also dark stories. Imagine a ”grounded” (horror) and character driven Hulk movie which focus on the hell it must be to live in a Jekyll/Hyde relationship with oneself where CGI is there to support (not drive) the story and show what destruktionen can come from his powers.
Today is the *1* year anniversary of when "The MCU Thor Problem - Full Series" was uploaded! It's a shame how the MCU fumbled the bag when it comes to Thor. Even if Marvel were to clean up Thor like the fans and Chris Hemsworth himself *probably* want, it would still be too late! The damage is already done. 🤓➡️😓
I agree with everything. I will say tho you should watch Loki. The first season isn’t like super good. But season 2 is much better. Loki starts actually using his real powers and the ending is a banger
@@mr.moviemafiaI not agree. Loki S1 was good, but the second season was a SJW trash. Made only to kill off the main character again and replace with Enchantress. So sad 😢
I remember before Infinity War thinking that Thor was a B tier hero with B tier powers because of how terribly he was portrayed. Then, when he went crazy in Infinity War, I was in genuine shock at how powerful he was. Just goes to show you how terribly they adapted Thor and it is such a shame because of how cool he is.
Omg I've always hated that like from Odin "we are not gods". Uhh yeah tf you are? Y'all even say as much in future movies like in Ragnarok when Thor calls himself the god of thunder, and Loki calls himself the god of mischief in infinity war. I'm sure there's more instances of them saying these things but I can't remember them at the moment, anyway it's just stupid to say they aren't gods when they definitely are
The writers don't know if they want to write them as serious gods or jokes. I mean what type of god gets knocked out by a taser especially when he's supposed to be the god of thunder.
It still astounds me to this day that they not only found a way to completely fumble Thor, but then doubled down on that fumble over and over.
All because "teehee ragnarok funny, Let's go hard on that!!!"
There's 3 good Thor movies and he's pretty good in the Avengers movies, especially infinity war. We also got a lot of good depiction of Loki, Odin, Thor's mom, etc.
Y'all are so frickin spoiled. We wouldn't have dreamed of getting such movies just a mere 20 years ago.
@@histguy101 Ok? we can still critiize the slop were getting know it doesn't matter if we got good deceptions back than. Were in the now were Thor is a bumbling idiot whos overly emotionally completely betraying his comic counterpart and Loki at this point is not even Loki just a cheap creul imitation. Not even mentioning the other murders of the other Avengers personalities.
All marvel needs right now is just a character that is immortal i do not think there is a character in the comic that is called immortal i hope there is not maybe i don't do research
@@histguy101it would have been one thing if marvel studios paid you off to defend their mediocre movies, but the fact you’re doing it for free is even more shameful
50:26 You also forgot to mention that she was also a slaver who sold countless people to their deaths just so that she could get a drinking money. If Thor wasn’t worthy to be the Asgardian King because he’s drunk and fat, then Valkyrie is wayyyyy less worthy because she’s drunk and killed innocent people.
And the worst part is that since the characters (more like Taika and the Russos) considered Valkyrie’s track record of slavery to be in the past, they just forgave her and pretended that her crimes never exist. At least Wanda have someone calling her out (albeit too little). Valkyrie has none.
MCU ALWAYS FORGIVES AWFUL CHARACTERS, LET'S NOT FORGET YELENA, _"THE GOOD GUY"_ KILLED HUNDREDS OF INNOCENT WARDENS WHILE MAKING JOKES ABOUT IT 🤢
B-but…she’s a strong female character!!
It’s because the actress that portrays Valkyrie makes up one member of Taika’s threesome.
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wow..i honestly never thought about that but you're completely right. she was in no way worthy to be 'king'
It's ironic how much Thor was hurt by Marvel's debilitating need to be constantly cracking jokes, because great comedy comes from contrasting personalities clashing in ways that feel natural, not every single character being the same kind of snarky douchebag who's seemingly always practicing his stand-up routine. A faithful portrayal of Thor would have made for a wonderful contrast to so many other characters, and therefore much funnier interactions.
They ended up having only 1 type of comedy towards the end of phase 1. Each character loses the unique style of humour they need. Tony and Spiderman can be quippy, maybe Hawkeye (but even then different flavours can be done with snarky, dry, deadpan or other).
Thor, if he needs to be funny, can provide humour from the oddity of a genuine godlike being being in a normal world.
Literally the ''Shakespeare in the park? Dost mother know you weareth her drapes?'' Scene in The Avengers was so funny because it's a 21st century billionaire playboy showman meeting a 1500 year old Norse ''God'' who's super serious. So yes, it's exactly as you say. The contrast would create the humor.
But fanboys only have themselves to blame for this one. People still claim Ragnarok is one of the best MCU films. It's one of the worst. Black Panther, Endgame, Ragnarok.
Blame the audience. The first Thor movies were seen as "boring" while everyone loved funny Thor.
That's what happened in Avengers EMH, and it was great. Thor would clash with Iron Man over magic vs. technology, and their different personalities and backgrounds made the humor work.
Thor is supposed to be campy and hammy, but in the same way that a character in a shakespearean play is.
To me the Thor movies should have been Lord of the Rings meets the original Star Wars, high fantasy cosmic epics.
def agree. and actually, in the first Thor movie, it kinda did seem (at least a little bit) like they'd be going in that sort of direction.
Those films would have died with the first movie if they went that route
Thor should be LOTR
Guardians is Star Wars
@InevitableOption-ic2vx because it was 2011. We were not at a point when a superhero movie could be genre breaking outside of an action movie. We wouldn’t get that until Joker. Thor as a character was somebody nobody cared about before that time especially since he wasn’t doing shit in the comics. If the audience of 2011 general audiences were going to be shown this fantasy epic on the heels of iron man and hulk they’d have been confused especially if what followed it was another action movie in The First avenger and Avengers. Thor would still be the odd one out but it would have looked more comicbooky which would have turned people away
Thor should be Vikings.
Guardians is Star Wars.
I just wanted to say your video essays have been killing my boredom at my job. You changed my life for a while
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Same.
See my thing with Fat Thor is that could have worked more if it didnt have an air of humor to it. I personally always got the point of it being about grief and depression. But because they made it like "thor is fat, laugh" many people didnt take kindly to it. i always looked at it like damn he's really going through it, trying to cope but everyone can clearly see he is suffering and running away from it and not acknowledging his emotions. His emotional moment with his mom would have been more impactful if Thor was more fantastical. Playing into his Game of Thrones esc world would have made it great rather than it being sci fi but maybe thats just me
I think the best way to do it is to have thor become very anti social to everyone and feeling guilt to what happend
Thor should have never gone fat nor he should have ever gone into the comedy route in end game.
After lossing his mother, father, brother, his home and half of his people, he should have been a very depressed guy.
Thor would have worked if he excommunicated himself from the Avengers and went somewhere else as he is depressed and angry. And it should have been followed up with Hulk and Racoon trying to convince to return back with Thor trying to attack them and leading to the avengers base where rest of the crew tries to stop him. While Tony works on the time machine..it should have ended with Tony saying the can undo the Thanos snap and Thor rejoining Avengers only for the sake of taking revenge on Thanos. It would have meant more if depressed and vengeful Thor met his mother who would have comforted him and Thor finally seeing a bright side to his life.
@@ChrisJericho22 he was a very depressed guy . Hints the wait gain and life going to shit
Fat thor was a good idea the writers didn't commit to. Letting yourself go like that is literally what happens when depression and hopelessness take over, and seeing thor overcome that and return to his past glory would have been a fantastic arc for him.
Another thing is that Thor was also supposed to be the next Protector of the 9 Realms but I guess he only had to take care of New Asgard and maaaybe Midgard, so what the hell happened to the other 7 realms? He even said in Ragnarok that the 9 realms are in "chaos" and that they're "plotting Asgards demise" and yet we see none of that.
“The other realms I’m in charge of are in chaos!… but let’s party on earth 😎”
What would there be to see? Asgard got destroyed. Anyone who was plotting its demise would suddenly have a lot more free time.
The fact that I had to experience the sheer brilliance of the story in Planet Hulk through a disappointed criticism of movies that blew any hopes of the story coming to the screens honestly makes me so sad.
Seemed like it could’ve been a guaranteed S tier movie
Here’s a reminder for you all, the mcu got Anthony fucking Hopkins as Odin and did absolutely nothing with him and gave him nothing to work with, they got the greatest living actor for Odin as did nothing with it, they pretty much did nothing with everything else as well, they never explore any of the Norse myths, that could have been really cool, they never explore the 9 realms, we olny get to see a little bit of jutunheim, vanaheim and muspelheim, we never see any of the other Norse gods except for Odin, Thor, loki, heimdall, frigg, sif and hela, we never see Freyr, freya, baldur, magni, modi, jormungandr, tyr, bragi, forseti, njord and mimir, I could name many more but you get my point. And all the gods that we do see are all a huge disappointment from what they could have been, all we see from the valkyries is just pure poop, it’s all just so disappointing, and all in all Thor in the mcu is absolute ass and his world and cast is as much if not bigger disappointment than himself
The MCU took some of the best comic book characters in history and somehow messed them up.
Tried making all of them comedians.
They Nerf Thor so Captain and Ironman sell more
When Thor IS literally the Captain América incorruption
Cap have Civil War and made a Mess because IS human also Tony arresting heros
Ironically enough, James Gunn, somebody with talent and a vision, took the guardians, a bunch of literally who z listers, and made them some of the standout characters of the franchise.
@@ValiantJack James Gunn could change and take a lot of creative liberties because at the time no one even knew who they were. The directors can’t do the same with Avengers or X men.
@@justasentientmclarenp1879 That’s true, i suppose the success of the guardians created a ripple effect where they tried to make every character into le quirky goofballs, hence Thor Ragnarok
The biggest problems with marvel and dc is that when they hire people to adapt their characters, they pretty much always hire people that couldn’t give two shits about the source material, unlike lord of the rings, where you can clearly tell that the people behind that cared about the source material they were pulling from, and had respect for Tolkien and his work
the source material wasn't written with the same care and depth tolkien novels are. comics literally come from low quality pulp fiction.
no one in real life is going to talk like characters do in the comics. even if there is some concept or idea that Thor was supposed to represent, it likely is something that is irrelevant today (such as how iron man represents american exceptionalism in the cold war). the serialised format is also fundamentally different owing to differing lengths and how impactful each plot beat must be.
barring Thor 4, Thor is exactly as he should be in the MCU.
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@ccshumshum8104 you are delusional and the fact you go around in this comment section to "disprove" people is proof of that.
@@shum8104You're stupid
You're so right about Asgard being made more science fiction than fantasy. Thor 2 should have excelled at this considering the director of that movie is a director from GoT.
They doubled down on the whole ‘they are aliens not gods’ thing. That’s why it’s got sci fi elements blended into the fantasy aspects
I bet that was a conscious decision by Marvel. Bet the director wanted a fantasy/period style. But Marvel knew Thor would have to fit with the modern world with Stark etc so made Asgard furturistic which made no sense why he was a fish out of water on earth 😅 Maybe also to look different from Game of Thrones which was popular at the time!
That's not the God of Thunder, that's the Deity of Voltage
Thor The God Of Hammers.
who was able to be zapped by a neck patch 😑
@@personafanatic4597the god of thunder couldn’t even take a little electricity and it was at that moment I knew that Thor 3 was going to be absolute poop
Me when Mikoto Misaka out feats Thor #RailgunSupremacy.
@@LJCG777Bruh...To Aru x Marvel crossover would go so hard
The inability to use Thor properly in the realm of words is, in retrospect, an early warning of the writing issues to come.
I agree, I like Tom's Loki but it is not comic Loki for sure.
True. Thank you for having a mind we need more pple like you
Loki is a great show. I really like his take on a lot of things, but on that show it’s a bad take. It’s well written, sticks within its established character behavior and has a good story. Instead of complaining he should try watching it for what it is instead of what he wants it to be.
@@TheHannukahZombie it really isn't, but nice try, bozo 🤡
@@TheHannukahZombieIt is a terribly written show. You're free to like it but the plot falls apart on every level and Loki is just absolutely a different character in the show than he is in the infinity saga.
It's not even MCU Loki, it's a whole different character who goes by Loki. Neither MCU Loki or comic book Loki would ever act like that, and allow people to treat him like that.
Since we have Thor problem, now I would love to see your video about “The MCU Wanda Problem”.
Because with Wanda, the MCU managed to open a pandora box of superhero genre that is the “protagonist-centric morality” aka “it’s okay when we do it” trope. Just look at the amount of superheroes in media who committed evil acts but were being portrayed as good things ever since that quote “They will never know what you sacrificed for them”.
wanda fans are so damn annoying, and it would be nice for braeden to discuss that.
I've lost respect for wanda ever since House of M.
They made Wanda such a terrible character
i know someone who loved the second dr strange movie but i can't for the life of me see why. it's complete shit with so many problems that it breaks my brain to think of them all
@@ema4020 & let's not forget C.U.M. Wanda is one fo the most r*cistly White-Washed Characters in the C.U.M.
Thor’s character assassination isn’t talked about enough. Thanks for calling this clownery out.
The MCU Thor problem, much like problem with any project based on an existing IP that doesn't live up to its source material, is they keep hiring ignorant, dispassionate people to handle these movies. Not to point fingers, but you all guessed who I'm talking about. It's not even a question if the filmmakers are preexposed to the source material. They don't have to be gigafans, but at least their sensibilities have to fit in with the source material they're adapting. If you vibe with something, you can become a fan overnight. Chris Nolan wasn't collecting comic-books as a kid, but his sensibilities fit like a glove for a gritty take on Batman. Waititi's problem isn't that he's a comedy guy. Waititi's problem is that it's all he is. There are no layers to him. You could've done, in theory, a comedic take on Thor that still feels like Thor and can fill in MCU's quota for "it has to be fun or it shouldn't be made"; a Thor movie in the style of Pirates of the Caribbean or the first Hobbit movie. Instead, we got a Thor movies that are Thor movies in name only and could've been about any other MCU character, since there is nothing distinctly Norse or mythic about them. Thor doesn't act like Thor, characters from Thor's iconography barely appear or resemble what they're supposed to be, there are no grand adventures across mythic realms, there is no sense of verisimilitude, no earned drama, nothing. It's quite sad now that to the general audience the default image of Thor is a bumbling fool who speaks in plain Modern English and treats inanimate objects better than he does The Warriors Three and Sif.
More of a critique of Thor 4 than anything. Thor 3 had none of these problems.
@@shum8104 no, I was actually thinking mainly about Ragnajoke when pointing out those things, because that movie has all the problems I'm talking and was a stepping stone for a downward spiral that the character fell into. I don't ever consider Dumb and Thunder a movie worthy of sufficient criticism when Ragnajoke was the one to commit all those sins first.
@@antona.8659 none of those criticisms hold up against Ragnarok sadly
@@shum8104 sure they do.
@@antona.8659 nope
Here is something to think about, we never get to see or even have a line about how all the other 7 realms reacted to Asgard being destroyed
23:20 If Shane Black directed *Superman & Lois* he would make Lex Luthor just an actor called Alan Harper & the REAL villain of the show is FELICITY SMOAK
You mean Jon Cryer?
hahahah felicity smoak as the villain 😆
And what if Zack Snyder directed Superman & Lois?
Fat Thor isn’t even mythologically accurate. The idea a God who eats and drinks like a dumpster, must also be as fat as the mere mortals who also eat and drink like dumpsters completely misses the point of mythology and divine idealization. The concept also completely ignores all primary sources we have on Thor specifically, who’s described as powerfully built, and zero mention of being fat. So Fat Thor pisses me off twofold. For missing the point of the comics, and for bastardizing the mythology said comics are based on.
Before anyone brings up God of War, Thor being fat there was meant to played dramatically. His alcoholism was serious in-universe and him being out of shape was one of the ways he was a damaged man due to his father's abuse of him.
@@redjirachi1and you know his physique in that game didn’t look silly, he looked like a human Gorilla
At least of God of War Rangarok, while Thor was indeed fat, his body type moreso resembled that of a powerlifter. Plus, he still looked strong enough to crush your skull. This is a fat Thor I could get behind, whereas the one from Endgame was just a bad joke.
@@kristofgriffin384 The GoW Thor was strongman fat, which is a body type that would've made sense for a scandivanian deity, even if that Thor is a depressed drunkard (which GoW handles a lot better than Marvel). Marvel's fat Thor clearly has a beer belly, which doesn't even make sense in lore because the first movie established that Thor was a hell of a party animal, getting black out drunk after pretty much every battle, and it had no effect on his physique.
It took years but I finally found someone else who saw all the problems with Ragnarok. I can never enjoy that movie, and that was the beginning of the end of my MCU interest.
I was silent about it because of the praise in that movie, I hated it.
But it still the best thor movie tho atleast they presented thor good unlike love and thunder & thor 2
I was 11 years old when I saw Ragnarok, I see it as nothing more than terrible reinvention/deconstruction of the character of Thor.
the wannabe science fantasy nature of the first 2 movies makes them repulsive. there is 0 depth in Thor or Asgard, ver little is is lost in this reinvention. 3 is much better.
@@westfieldcom3839 thor 1 has a better message, acting, ost, fights, character arcs, set design, and story
Not to mention… Chris Hemsworth did nothing but PRAISE Waititi when Ragnorak came out. He was touting him around like a best friend. Everything was well in the workd- Waititi released Jojo Rabit too and was introduced to more commercial as well as critical success.
The thing about Waititi though is he is a man of morals. He knows what he believes in and he isnt afraid to say that.
Cut to Love and Thunder. Hemsworth was sooo into promoting the movie and talking it up- until the movie came out and the backlash came out. Hemswroth immediately backtracked and began throwing Waititi under the bus blaming him for the “messages” etc.
Hemsworth killed his only relationship with a powerful/demanded/critically acclaimed director for the sake of not having a spine and sticking up for the film he made (he couldve just said “you know some people dont like it but i enjoyed myself and i like it regardless”). Hemsworth has killed any future for critical success as well. No serious director is going to hire him after seeing him throw a “good friend” director under the bus.
Because of Love and Thunder and how Hemsworth handled it, I predict that he will be relegated to brain-rot netflix movies for the rest of his career.
That's actually a fair point
While that's a stupid move on his end, I can't say I'd mind it all that much. He falls into the category of actors like Chris Pratt and The Rock, who pretty much only ever portray themselves on screen, and most scripts they're given work around that, instead of actually *acting* as someone else.
The fall of the MCU has been more spectacular than its rise and dominance over a decade.
How did they F it up so badly so quickly.
HBO are not the ones to blame for the failure of Game of Thrones’ final two seasons. That blame goes to D&D for not accepting their offer to make more seasons after Season 6 was complete and just deciding to rush the rest of the show just to fill their own egotistical resumes as the creators of that show.
I mean season 5 was when the ship started to crack, season 6 it started to really show and well then the final 2 seasons, don't even need to say anything. Unfortunately I don't think that even with more time and seasons, Dumb And Dumber could've written a good ending to the Ice and Fire story. Hell George is 76, I don't think we'll even get Winds of Winter at this rate, let alone a good unrushed ending IF we get one.
As much as I agree with everything else , I feel you were very unfair with the scene of Thor and his Mother reuniting .It was not merely him being a crybaby and getting his spirits lifted .It was kind of a poignant bit of Thor having fallen to Depression after such profound loss after loss and being reminded by said someone he lost long ago that his suffering does not make him lesser and that within him still remains the Strength and worthiness to fight .All the things around it were awfully made but it was still a nice bit .
I like the scene too but it's as if you found a piece of chocolate covered in poop, you can still eat it but ultimately the poop is being eaten too and the chocolate isn't as good as it could've been.
The issue is that everything leading up to that moment was treated as a joke about Thor being a fat schlub now rather than as the story of a broken man going through a serious bout of depression brought on by a recent string of back to back to back life shattering events.
And it would've been great if Thor's depression wasn't mocked, or if it lead anywhere and Thor didn't still act the same and be treated the same way before the scene as after it.
I really did like the 2nd Loki series which was in a multiverse - a different Loki, and they state right off it is a multiverse and a different "variant" Loki. So I can divide it, and in fact, it reminded me more of Dr Who, which is gone now, so I guess I have to take my Dr Who where I can find it. If you watch the 1st Loki series, one of the Lokis says he DOES get away from Thanos by using illusion. He teaches the protagonist Loki how to more fully explore his power and how many more illusion powers he has. In other words, the Loki that comes to that series does not have a full understanding of his power yet and is taught them - time control, mind enchantment, etc, by the many versions of himself he runs into. The Loki he runs into says, We are far more powerful than we realize. A fun concept.
I think the female Loki is meant to be a concept of the Enchantress - not a very good casting choice - while a good fighter and excellent enchanter, she is a complete failure as a person and is the one responsible for destroying everything through her insatiable and selfish desire for revenge. So she is broken and Loki has to fix the mess she makes. Now, according to ancient Norse myths, Loki was NOT the god of evil. He was a trickster, and he did some nasty things, but he was a helpful god who understood things didn't need to be done forthrightly all the time. People would pray for help in financial deals and such. The other gods would turn to him for help when they needed some streetwise help. He got the other gods out of many problems, which is why he was considered Odin's friend. He only became "evil" in the Christian era when he gathered the identity of the devil.
I can’t thank you enough for ripping into Thor Ragnarok. I want justice for my boy Thor and your right, as much as I love him the mcu didn’t push his character far enough.
The way I’d totally watch a Thor Ragnarok style version of The Dark Knight unironically
The most ridiculous thing was how many times Thor is electrocuted. First by Darcy’s taser. I understand that he had lost this powers then, but in reality, a man the size of Hemsworth can shake off even a cop’s taser. Certainly not be knocked unconscious for hours while he is strapped down in a hospital bed, wearing a hospital gown. He didn’t wake up through all that from one zapped from a consumer grade taser to the god of thunder?
Then Valkyrie shocked him a zillion times and knocked his ass out. Not really a god of thunder? Before the fan boys repeat Taika’s retcon excuse that it was a neurotoxin, not electricity, that’s a lie. That was only after it was pointed out how stupid and wrong it is for a man who channels lightning bolts, which are more powerful than an atomic bomb, can be electrocuted by a tiny disk on his neck, like a dog’s shock collar.
It was not intended to be a neurotoxin. If so, then Taika didn’t do his homework because everyone thought it was electricity until he gave his bad excuse and fan boys lapped it up. He should have known that no neurotoxin makes static and crackling noises. Neurotoxin don’t make human nervous system sudden shake the same way a body would with electricity. Take a large dose of oxycodone and you will just go to sleep. Take the same dose of fentanyl and you will go to sleep and never wake up.
That’s how most nerve agents work. I know of none that make someone shake like that and neither does anyone else because everyone thought it was electricity after seeing the movie. When you use electric noises and have the actor shake like being electrocuted, that’s what the audience will think and will laugh that the demigod of thunder and lightning can be electrocuted.
Taika should just admit he made a mistake and wasn’t thinking or reading the comics at all, that’s because Taika has no respect for the character or comic and made the movie he wanted. Even a seizure is not as violent as electrocution. Seizures have larger muscle jolting, where an electrocution makes every small muscle jerk very quickly, like the way Hemsworth did in Ragnarok.
The MCU hates Thor. I don’t know why they even decided to use him as an Avenger if he was going to only be the butt end of everyone’s jokes? I only got a bit excited during Infinity War during the second half of the movie. Thor’s scene with a CGI raccoon happened to be one of the best scenes they ever gave Hemsworth to give Thor some depth.
His reveal on the Wakanda battlefield was the pinnacle of Thor in the MCU. It made me excited for Endgame, actually wanting to believe that they would take Thor into a dark place, but not the fat surrender ass we got, it someone on a path more like Ronan. Why’s is it that Hawkeye gets a better depression actions more interesting than Thor. Imagine Thor going that dark and the damage he could do, but only if they gave him the real Thor power like in the comics?
Thor would not give up and get fat. Thor should have wanted retribution, so when he got a chance to finally face a Thanos, he should have been a much greater foe for Thanos than Captain America. Fat Thor was funny for about a minute. Thor’s powers are magical, he shouldn’t have to work out to get strong. Does Superman have to do reps at the local gym to stay buff?
It would make more sense for Hawkeye to get fat. He’s just a human and lost his entire family. Thor isn’t human, he shouldn’t get fat. When I saw that first scene, I thought that once they told him they could get another shot at Thanos, he’d call down lightning and Boom! He’d be chiseled Hemsworth once again.
Nope, we were stuck with fat Thor for the entire movie. That sucked for Thor fans. Yours right, he was just a menace on the battlefield. When Captain America has to save your ass, you’re not much of a superhero. Thor should have been able to at least hurt Thanos, even with his bare hands.
They destroyed Thor in Endgame. Tony said it right calling him the big Labowski, because that’s what Thor became. He’d have been more at home in movie The Big Lebowski. I was so disappointed when I came out of the theater after Endgame and hearing everyone else excited about how good it was. Endgame sucked.
I thought for sure they would let Thor do the snap? Why not? He was the one who felt responsible for allowing Thanos to snap everyone away. His redemption arc would be snapping everyone back, even if he died doing it. I would have rather had Thor go out a boss, like Tony did, rather than continue on with this pitiful Thor character the MCU has created.
They couldn’t even give us that, instead, Banner gets the snap? It may make sense because he’s the strongest, but there is no through-line between Hulk and Thanos. That’s bad storytelling, like Arya killing the a Night King, it made no sense. She had no run-in with the villain until five minutes before she easily killed him. Everyone knows it was supposed to be Jon Snow. What? The Hulk lost one fight with Thanos?
Thanos killed Thor’s brother and best friend and Thor had a chance to kill Thanos, but instead decided it torture him for the pain he has caused Thor. Like Thor told Rocket, “what else can I lose”. He was in the depths of despair then and that was before the snap. They didn’t pay off Thor’s best scene in the saga. Big deal, he got to kill weak Thanos, with help from Captain Marvel, of course, in a seen so short that if you stopped to get popcorn you would have missed it.
Thor deserved more for everything he had been through. They could have paid off all those crappy Thor movies that came before by letting him do the snap or at least really injure Thanos in the battle, rather than just having his ass handed to him time after time. I’m done with the MCU.
They also destroyed Captain America when they turned him into a coward version of Joe Biden. “Screw this world, I’m dancing with Peggy and will use my super soldier endurance to win dance marathons”. Twinkle Toes Ragers was his new name and he and Peggy danced in the police state that Red Skull had created after Hydra took over with their airships that could target any enemies from hundreds of miles.
Great job Marvel. At least you didn’t ruin Ironman. Tony got a boss ending, but poor T’Challa got to die offscreen from a virus? That makes no sense, any virus that can take down anyone who drank the purple juice would wipe out their entire nation. He had advanced healing, how can he die for the flu? It wasn’t even some weaponized virus made by an evil madman. That would be too much story for them to deal with, they need to get it over quick and milk whatever tears they could for poor Chadwick. They couldn’t even celebrate the character’s death by making it a sacrifice. What a slap int ej face of Boseman, he deserves better.at least give him a memorable death and go out a hero.
Since his uniform covers his entire body, he could have easily been taken out while saving the world, or at least saving Wakanda. The MCU loves giving the characters embarrassing deaths and endings. They have lost it and now it’s going to only be female heroes from now on. If Captain Marvel, with Brie Larson, is the best the MCU can do for a good female superhero, I’m out!
Thor should of snapped everyone back, hell let him snap Asgard back and have him lose his arm to have segue into Thor 4 where Jane takes up the hammer like the lady Thor comics. I was okay with the idea of Thor falling into depression after everything that happened but making it a big joke (+ with him being fat) just came across as shitty all around.
Yup, just as Stupid as when in Iron Man 3 IRON MAN IS USING A CAR BATTERY TO CHARGE A NUCLEAR REACTOR, that's basically like trying to fill an desertic ocean with 1 single Waterglass
I totally agree with everything you said!
I call upon all of us Marvel Fans! Let us unite together and write our own Marvel Cinematic Universe with great and consistent characters!
Let us show them what it is that makes those characters great!
I think casual audiences like myself just liked Ragnarok because we enjoyed it for what it was, blissfully unaware of what it could have been. I think that's okay, as long as audiences like those remain open-minded to the source material, and understand the perspectives of long-time audiences. I liked many films on first watch, but knowing what I do now, I can feel a good deal of disappointment that more wasn't done.
I still think Ragnarok is awful. There is one scene that is memorable and the rest is terrible. It needed to slow down and take itself seriously. Its the marvel equivalent of a prank video made for ten year old.
I'm still surprised that disliking Ragnarok is a hot take. I don't see what people see in it
It also pulled the same stunt as the last jedi with Odin fading to nothing instead of facing fenrir. (It's like when luke faded to nothing in tlj)@@esdeathsenpai5128
@@esdeathsenpai5128I totally agree
You 3 DC stans need to have a sense of humour
It’s like saw GOTG and said hey let’s do the same thing 🤪
While mcu tries to call themselves earth-616, spiderverse and others call them earth-19999.
The MCU has never been a part of the comics multiverse.
Also, the Asgardians are a lot taller than humans. Simple camera tricks like in LOTR would be enough to show the difference in height
Hela, Goddess of Death
Her powers? Making pointy sticks
Kevin Feige: "Cause' pointy stick kills, haha, I'm genius 😋🥴"
I wish they would've got Malaketh more true to his comic version! I would LOVE to see a Live Action Movie based on the several issue Thor storyline that's called "WAR of the REALMS"! If you haven't read ut yet, I highly suggest that everyone should check it out! Bc it also involves a LOT of Marvel Superheroes on Thor's side & a lot of Villians on the other side! The Battles Break out throughout ALL of the 9 REALMS with a lot of Casualties on both sides by the time the WAR is over. If Disney/MCU would get the RIGHT Director that would stay TRUE to the Source Story, then Disney/MCU should let the people make the movie that EVERY FAN will LOVE!
The version of Hulk in the Edward Norton movie actually looked like he could beat Thanos. They should've kept that version.
Honestly, they got rid of Asgard too quickly. Ragnarok should have been a much later movie. MCU should’ve stuck with the comics stuff. They should have had Hela be Loki’s daughter like she is in both Comics and Mythology. Let Hela rule the land of the dead, where she’s at her most powerful at. They should’ve replaced Hela with Angela. Like Angela is Odin’s first born; so why not have the movie about her and the realm she grew up in. Which brings me to the topic of how the MCU forgot to add many other asgardian characters such as Amora the Enchantress and Balder.
I’m only now realizing Thor 4 should’ve been Thor settling the power vacuum left by the destruction of asguard and the snap. You could even include the guardians seeing as they’d be after the same goal. It could also easily tie into a Thor 5 (which if they HAD TO they could’ve used gorr)
If you want to give any humor to Thor, it’s better to have him not understanding Earth culture. But to do that you have to make him seem like a mythical legend, not your coworker who thinks he’s funny when he isn’t.
So like the 1st movie where he acts like a stereotypical viking ?
Thor used to be self conscious and died his deye brows.. it’s like a personal journey in the background.. apparently he did for over 1000 years only to finally stop before Thor 2 : the dark squirreled.
I would LOVED to see a Thor movie of Thor being a teenager on a epic fantasy adventure.
I thought I was the only one who didn't really like Ragnarok...I never liked Taika Waititi as a director or person. And this movie didn't help his case. He RUINED Thor and Hulk AND the World War Hulk storyline, who up to that point could have been redeemed... Now they're beyond help.
Also Love and Thunder was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Inexcusable.
And I hate Smart Hulk.
Imo Ragnarok absolutely killed Thor and thats the REAL Downfall
Although the first 2 movies were a bit bland at least Thors character himself was written decently to pretty good. Ragnarok is just... Man i hate him in it
Hes just so goofy and theres so serious serious moments in that movie that are seriously undercut with jokes. I blame taika for killing thor
I came up with my own idea of what the first Thor film could have been:
Overall, this version would be a lot more colourful. The film opens with the scene of the frost giants war with the Asgardians, replacing the scene where Thor lands on earth. We saw a more saturated Asgard, with flora interwoven with the architecture and an actual rainbow bridge. Thor (who wears his helmet a lot more in this film) is seen hanging out in the kingdom with Lady Sif and the Warriors Three. Loki, the god of mischief and Thor’s (step) brother, has grown ambitious and jealous of his brother and his (step) father Odin.
Wanting to be rid of his brother, Loki casts an illusion depicting a sudden infiltration by the Frost Giants into Asgard (which we don’t find out about until later). Whilst the All-Father calls for no immediate action, an arrogant and impatient Thor and pals travel by Bifrost to the realm of Jotunheim, launching a unwarranted attack against Laufey and his people, just as Loki wanted. When Odin arrives, Thor heralds the arrival of Asgardian might, however, Odin calls out his son’s foolish actions.
Weighing his options, the All-Father decides to banish Thor to Midgard, stripping him of the power of Mjölner. The sudden and unexpected trip from the Bifrost causes Thor to gain amnesia. After walking up on Midgard, the god of thunder, now reduced to a mere mortal, is unable to remember his name, eventually adopting the alias Donald Blake.
Thor, or Donald Blake, ends up living in the state of New Mexico for the next few weeks. Meanwhile in Asgard, Loki discovers he was actually a Frost Giant, taken away by Odin during the war between Jotunheim and Asgard. Realising this, Loki now has a new goal to take over Asgard. The All-Father goes into his Odin Sleep shortly there after, leaving the throne open.
Back on Midgard, or Earth, Donald Blake has started making a quiet, peaceful life for himself in a small New Mexico town. It was here where he met a nurse name Jane Foster, and the two soon began dating. Around this time, after floating around Space for a while after being thrown into the Bifrost by Odin, Mjölnir lands on Earth.
As Loki is making preparations to at last seize the throne, he discovers that Mjölner has ended up on Midgard, also learning that Thor is there as well. Wanting to eliminate a threat to his plans, he sends an enchanted set of sentient armour known as the Destroyer to kill his brother. When the armour arrives in his small town, Donald Blake sees the Destroyer and runs away in terror, thinking only of himself.
When he looks back, he sees Jane terrified on the floor, the Destroyer standing over her. Blake’s humility over comes him and he quickly rushes over to help his girlfriend, briefly fending off the Destroyer with a large branch. The two leave the town as the Destroyer continues to ravage it. As Jane and Donald drive out of town, the hammer begins calling to Donald.
They drove up to a cliff overlooking the crater in which Mjölnir sits, surrounded by S.H.I.E.L.D soldiers. Fighting his way through, Donald grasps the hammer and managed to lift it, causing lighting to envelop him. Jane watches as Thor regains his mirrors, his armour and helmet forming around him
Thor quickly takes Jane back to town, flying through the air, ready to face the Destroyer. After defeating the Destoyer, Thor calls upon the Bifrost, leaving Jane behind as he returns to Asgard. When he returns, he comes back to see his kingdom being ravaged by the Frost Giants, all part of Loki’s scheme to achieve power. Fighting through the hoard, Thor challenges Laufey, who kindly accepts. Fighting across the Kingdom and onto the Rainbow Bridge, Thor defeats Laufey. This fight however is soon followed by Loki attacking, using his magic to duplicate and fight his brother. The fight ends with Loki falling off the bridge into the void, presumably to his death.
Thank you for making this video! I go off about this a lot and this video makes me feel like I’m not losing my mind.
The worst part of Ragnarok is how they fucked over the Hulks character at the same time as Thor
"Batman discovers Joker has been posing as Alfred for a long time"
Honestly surprised this hasn't happened yet
4:44 THE GOAT VERSION
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Fat Thor upsets me because this depressed man is treated like a joke. He's depressed! Its just...ugh...
Dude, they wrote Moon Knight's T.I.D. as Schizophrenia (when those 2 things are totally different) & treat him as a Joke
*Do you expect more from Disney, really?*
My guy had ptsd, great moment for characterization but they wanted the funny
I adore these videos and hearing that we're getting a talk about the Halo TV series is great. I honestly can't wait to see it from you.
Love & Thunder should’ve been Infinity War & Ragnorak Thor, a few jokes tossed around every now & then but an overall more mysterious, darker, violent & powerful. Gorr In L & T was legit kinda scary sometimes. Imagine that against a serious & traumatized Thor
34:14 That's Actually Pretty Accurate & One of the Biggest Examples was the animated Show FANTASTIC 4 WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES where:
-Originally Moonscoop wanted to gave Sue Pink Anime Hair
-They wanted to make Doom 100% Tech based & with No Magic Powers(he would even had Iron Man Blank-Light Eyes)
But Marvel Pushed Back those ideas in favor to respect the Escence of the Characters, & Thx to that WE GOT THE BEST DEPICTION OF THE F4 ON ANIMATION
What do you think of the 90s Fantastic Four series mostly season 2 ?
I'll never get over how they gave Thor his eye back it honestly irritates me so much that eyepatch and the gnarly scar he got with it represented years of character growth and maturity over the years. It showed all of the hardships he went through and was a reminder to the man he became and to not be like how Odin was. The fact that it was the SAME eye as his father further showed this but for some reason they gave his eye back.. not even halfway through the next movie? We'll atleast he still has that scar right? NOPE they forgot about it and not you cannot tell at all that he had lost his eye its honestly insulting
37:21 I think having Shao Kahn say it to Shang Tsung would’ve made the punch line more funny.
These vids are exceptionally well done dude. Your humour is on point.
just found this channel. you're funny as hell. good stuff
100 fuckn percent agreed. Ive been preaching this. Thor shouldn’t be a joke he should be a deep well arced presence amongst the mcu
Infinity War Thor is the best live action Itteration.
MCU done fucked up when they failed to make the motif running through the first film Thor’s official theme to rival Superman’s. Unforgivable
I admire your goal. In a way, I share it. However, my method is different.
I work instead on rewriting the MCU. I call my project ACU.
Based
I wish in Endgame, Thor wouldve been angry instead of miserable, like he just becomes this warrior king who’s bloodthirsty and would jump at the chance to finish Thanos off properly, and show him actually holding his own against Thanos one on one
You're generally spot on but dishonest regarding Superman. Superman is far from always good and never changes, that is the crux of Superman II - also you suggest that Superman never faces temptation but that also is the core message of Superman vs The Elite, he literally makes a speech about it, and mentions it as frustrating when he goes all out on Darkseid in the finale episode of JLU. For someone so detailed I am honest baffled by your simplistic and immature assertions about Superman.
Finally watched Love & Thunder last night. It felt like I went back to listening to an AM radio station after a lifetime of listening to FM.
Aaaaaand now Downey Jr. Is back as Dr.Doom!!! Yay!!! Cannot wait for that genius writting!!
12:20 Thor the Dark World is the first thing to explicitly stated but the first movie also implied that for and the asgardians are not literal gods.
" your ancestors called it magic you call it technology I come from a world where they are one in the same."
This line and that whole scene imply that Thor is not a literal God
They should have just used EMH Thor.
MAN, RICK WASSERMAN NAILED THE ROLW SO WELL
The MCU also DESTROYED Korg..& totally EMASCULATED Thor..& ESPECIALLY my FAVORITE Marvel Comics character The Hulk! 😖😖
God Of War Ragnarok shows how to do a “fat” Thor correctly I feel. They take his struggles seriously and not at the expense of humor
12:43 A new system patch came out and Piccolo is a demon again
Was just about to comment about that lmao
Thor comic was the Captain America of MCU, incorruptible with speeches and unique quotes
Yet he is a pet for comedy just like Hulk
They can't adapt one story without being nerf Thor and FUNNY JOKES
Literally Butcher of Gods and Ragnarok are really good, dark with fantasy and a message
Now is just trash from Corpo disney
30:31 Spiderverse called the MCU earth 99999 I think?
And since Mysterio is lying and Christine was just making up the classifications, but Miguel actively travels the multiverse, I'ma go with the Spiderverse version. That the MCU is earth 99999
Exaclty, THE MAIN POINT OF NUMBERING THE EARTHS is precisely to avoid confusion
Braeden you are one of the best new commentators here. Great video after great video. Love to hear your perspective. Please make more content! I can't get enough of what Marvel should've done.
25:30 tbh the idea of a cute old grandma and grandpa leading an army and messing up some hardened ruthless villains is kinda funny 😅😂
While it might’ve been unpleasant for Hemsworth to play this style of character, Thor should’ve been 70-80% straight man to the comedians he’s around.
Everyone should have a balance of both but he should be the most, with Steve in close behind at say 60-70%.
I never thought I'd say this, but I strongly hated Natalie Portman in a role. The last Thor movie with her was that point for me.
Totally agree with you about Thor turning into what Tyka wanted: to make him a dumb white bro.
Lastly, Loki went from twisted and brilliant to cartoonish and single minded.
High point of all the Thor movies I've seen was Hela. One of the best villains of the MCU IMHO
You brought up Adam West vs Christian Bale batman. I personally DO prefer Adam West nowadays. (There are so many serious batman portrayals nowadays that I just prefer to laugh with one every now and again.) But that doesn't mean I'd want someone to jump the shark and make Christian Bale into Adam West.
Old Disney = Simba's dad gets murdered.
New Disney = lol she's got cancer
I wish you had more likes man, it was a good video critique 🙌
Here's my take on how Thor should have been handled all together:
For starters, Thor's origin movie would follow what you mentioned (young Thor earning the worthiness to wield Mjollnir) along side developing the Asgardians (including Enchantress and Loki as possible inner threats to Asgard). Reserving Thor's arrival for The Avengers, along side introducing Jane Foster as a paramedic during the New York battle.
In Thor 2, the story would follow Loki's evil scheme to rule Asgard by inciting a war against the dark elves, leading Malekith and Kurse The Aether on Earth, forcing Thor to chase after them along side his Asgardian friends to fend off the attack. This would, in turn, leave the Enchantress open to attack asgard from inside, allowing Loki to pull his mischievous plan to betray the dark elves, "sacrificing" his life to sneak on to the throne and rule asgard while Thor is away dealing with conflicts on Earth (or across the nine realms).
I would scrap Ragnarok, in favor of a battle for Asgard, introducing Baldr for the first time, and making him the one to signal Thor and company back to Asgard, this would develop Thor and Baldr's bond and trust, while giving Loki and Enchantress development as they attempt to retain their rule of asgard. In a stunning turn of events, Loki would make his attempt to escape, but not before revealing the big bad Thanos on fast approach for the space stone. The sudden use of the stone, along side the clash between Loki and Thor would open a worm hole that teleports them both to a remote location.
In Infinity War, Thanos makes his majestic arrival, as the brothers try to make sense of where they landed. Thanos arriving will mirror Thor's arrival on Earth, signifying his presence and power out the gate. While the brothers make a temporary truce to fight together, Loki betrays Thor and puts him in the line of fire, ultimately weakening him and placing him at the mercy of the mad titan. But it turns into a double ruse, where Loki attempts to take advantage of the situation and the power of the tesseract to overcome Thanos, but ultimately fails as he sees through his deception, and rips the space stone from Lokis hands. With the space stone in hand, Thor (having his bearings in order) attempts to attack the mad titan, but is rendered powerless and is knocked unconscious, diverting his full attention to the god of mischief. After another botched attempt from Loki, though proving effective at first, Thanos uses the space stone and pulls the god into his open palm, strangling the last breath of the wicked deity and leaving the thunderer where he lays, as his plan is bigger and more important than any being within the cosmos. This would set up Thor's encounter with the Guardians, and send him on his revenge quest, though some more details will be needed.
Technically the purpose of Thor’s helmet was used for a ceremony it was not designed for battle. Also, Chris Hemsworth hated the helmet that’s why he didn’t use it in the first Thor movie. Also, what are your thoughts on Ultimate Avengers 2 ? The Ultimates Volume 2 wasn’t even finished yet and they had to come up with an original story for the sequel of the first movie.
That isn’t in the movie tho, they never state that’s it’s only for ceremonies, and am I supposed to believe a multi billion dollar company couldn’t make a more wearable helmet, and I don’t care that hemsworth didn’t like the helmet, he’s getting paid millions, he has no right to complain about the hamlet being uncomfortable, when hiddelston wore the horned helmet
@@Game-time-started what did you think of the helmet in Thor Ragnarok ?
@@comicbookking3446 it was meh
There is also something else I would like to add and that is that, modern actors are a bunch of pussies, they are so comfortable and refuse to go thru any hardship, if you look at behind the scenes stuff on lord of the rings, there are stories of actors breaking bones and still pushing through, there is blood and sweat that went into that trilogy, hemsworth being a lazy fuck when it comes to wearing the helmet is a perfect representation of modern actors, they refuse to go thru anything at all, they are way to comfortable and can’t go anywhere without their assistants, it’s no wonder why so many modern movies suck absolute balls, the people that make them refuse to go thru any hardship or struggle
@@Game-time-started at least it’s better than the one Thor Love and Thunder that’s for sure.
Thor should have snapped instead of Hulk and lost his arm. Thor felt like a failure because he did not stop the Snap when he could have. Hulk should have fought Thanos and become professor hulk. Hulk lost his friends and couldn't protect them because he wouldn't let Banner help him. Thor, now depowered legitimately, could join the fight against Thanos, but can't keep up, queue Banner watching Thanos almost kill Thor which brings out the Hulk finally. However Hulk still struggles against Thanos, and you have a nice quick scene where Banner is yelling at Hulk internally on how to beat Thanos. Hulk makes a deal with Banner, the deal is Hulk wants to WIN this fight, BAM Professor Hulk. Thor then could "retire" as an Avenger and take over as King of Asgard, and Hulk gets the much deserved rematch AND end his arc nicely as well. Lay down some hints that Thor and Hulk could return later down the line.
I am one man and I did the work of an entire writing department.
Bruce and the Hulk are COMPLETELY different people. except when it comes to Natasha. And her death had almost zero impact on them.
43:42 note to self
"What kind of coke were you drinking" is a joke that I am absolutely stealing. Also, for the love of god I am so beyond down for a Halo show critique in a similar fashion. Few things in this world I despise more than that god awful show. You know its bad when that weird "Haloid" Animation where Chief is a woman who fights alongside and inside Samus from Metroid, is still more lore accurate and fitting than that show.
That Wasn't Chief, That was Spartan Nicole-458
@@ArcTrooper269It was?...Well you know what? My point still stands gawt dammit. A parody of Halo with a Spartan other than the chief was still more accurate.
@@DetectiveJones Snake Eyes 2021 🤝🏾 Halo 2022
*Insulted me For Being a Fan of Gi Joe & Halo, hiring an Unlikeable prick who hates the the character to play him(Henry Goldwin & Pablo Schreibeir) & Wasting 10 years of Productions into a Garbage Project*
The origin story aspect of the first Thor movie makes less and less sense the more you think about it. You can't have a story where Loki finds out he's a Frost Giant for the first time and Thor considers Loki to be a loyal friend, while also making it canon that humans know about Norse myth. How did humans find out Loki was an evil Frost Giant villain hundreds of years ago but the actual Asgardians didn't?
Oh boy I sure am glad you were wring about Loki, although it can be much better.
31:28 *Just as stupid as when Paramount Made a Snake Eyes Movie where Snake Eyes(the Bad Ass, Stoic & Mute Ninja with an unbrekable spirit & NEVER takes off his Mask) TALKS, HAS A REMOVABLE MASK THAT HE NEVER WEARS & MAKES QUIPPY ONE LINERS EVERY 2 SECONDS, & The main actor, Henry Goldwin Said they did that because the OG Snake Eyes was "Boring & Generic"*
Nobody remembers the Frost Giants.
They wasted planet hulk and they pulled l hes son from it and put him in she hulk. that piss me off to no end
I can't believe I'm going to say this but the mask two did a better job At Portraying Loki's powers than the MCU there he's just knife guy an maybe making clones of himself we had a little a there but not much
I remeber one guy, i forget who but this isnt my idea, but a completely different route with New Asguard and post killing Thanos Thor. That he becomes very protective of Asguard and essentially turns New Asguard into a fortress. Every Asgardian has turned into a warrior to protect New Asguard from anything. Thor has seen Asguard destroyed with a number of its people killed, only to be cut in half by Thanos so he becomes very overprotective and isolated from the Avengers. Sif even comes back to help (i forget what point he made with this but where the hell did she go between movies) And the final end point of this is he doesnt abandon New Asguard to give to not valkyrie to make her the new king, but so he can find them a better home instead of essentially conquering a part of earth for Asguard. He's still a king, he is just temporally going somewhere else.
Braeden forgot one major detail when Hollywood is adapting Thor...they don't have any values or morals. 😏
Braeden, great video!! Again!! It would be really interesting/exciting to hear your version/plot for a new Hulk movie. Personally I argue the Hulk is the most demolished character in the MCU. But with the prospect of having some of the most exciting and also dark stories. Imagine a ”grounded” (horror) and character driven Hulk movie which focus on the hell it must be to live in a Jekyll/Hyde relationship with oneself where CGI is there to support (not drive) the story and show what destruktionen can come from his powers.
Today is the *1* year anniversary of when "The MCU Thor Problem - Full Series" was uploaded! It's a shame how the MCU fumbled the bag when it comes to Thor. Even if Marvel were to clean up Thor like the fans and Chris Hemsworth himself *probably* want, it would still be too late! The damage is already done. 🤓➡️😓
Disney has managed to take superhero movies and make them dumb again. Like Warner did with the 80s Swamp Thing movies.
Infinity war actually tried to make thor cool
I agree with everything. I will say tho you should watch Loki. The first season isn’t like super good. But season 2 is much better. Loki starts actually using his real powers and the ending is a banger
Totally agree with this, Loki Season 2 shocked me by not only being way better than season 1, but also by how genuinely brilliant it was
@@mr.moviemafiaI not agree. Loki S1 was good, but the second season was a SJW trash. Made only to kill off the main character again and replace with Enchantress. So sad 😢
I remember before Infinity War thinking that Thor was a B tier hero with B tier powers because of how terribly he was portrayed. Then, when he went crazy in Infinity War, I was in genuine shock at how powerful he was. Just goes to show you how terribly they adapted Thor and it is such a shame because of how cool he is.
The MCU never cared about the Source material. That sin was always going to result in franchise failure.
Omg I've always hated that like from Odin "we are not gods". Uhh yeah tf you are? Y'all even say as much in future movies like in Ragnarok when Thor calls himself the god of thunder, and Loki calls himself the god of mischief in infinity war. I'm sure there's more instances of them saying these things but I can't remember them at the moment, anyway it's just stupid to say they aren't gods when they definitely are
The writers don't know if they want to write them as serious gods or jokes. I mean what type of god gets knocked out by a taser especially when he's supposed to be the god of thunder.
Your argument is Very logical
Is that a Shockwave Reference?