I agree with you about Islam and thank you for your podcasts which I enjoy. As an Iranian, I can say most people in Iran are very different from the picture many people have in mind about them. I agree that 40 years ago they were more brain-washed, but nowadays, the number of jihadists and extremists is very few among Iranians, most of them are peaceful and they resent Hamas and their barbaric acts. Just wanted to mention that the Iranian government is different from the people. It has been many years that Iranian people have been fighting against the government that has taken them hostage for these years. Most of us actually feel deep sympathy towards Israelians who now have hostages in Hamas's hands and stand with them.
Judaism is where Islam gets its violence from. The torah and talmud also command the believers to murder and rape, and as we see both abrahamic zealots currently follow those orders- except harris only has concern for one of these groups of zealots
Do you think it's unpreventable that our countries will clash ? 😢. I have many Iranian friends from previous student exchanges, and am aware of the sentiment of the people vs the government. I love them very much. Some of them even tole me straight up Iran must eventually be dealt with. I can't imagine how painful it must to speak of your own country in such terms. Is there no hope of a peaceful change of regime in your opinion?
I wish I could say the same about Pakistan too. It has been state propaganda since 1980 in Pakistan it is default position of everyone. Our government and people are pretty much on same page. Just condemning H*m*s once and then focusing all attention on Is*ael alone is not enough. Why don't they call back Pakistanis who work in Qatar or any country that funds H*m*s? Why don't they boycott all Arab countries that support them? Why only boycotting Is*ael? Why was there criminal silence for first 3 to 4 days when attack began even though videos were circulating all over the internet? And millions of them only took to the street as soon as Israel began its action? Edit: I just wanna say Sam Harris is one of the few intellectuals who sees how much religion has to do with all of it. I have ordered his book End of Faith which is supposed to arrive this week.
“…he does not mention Israeli settlements on the West..” How can Israel be a “colonizer” of its own land? Under international law the principle of _Uti Possidetis Juris_ all of the land within Mandatory Palestine which was agreed to by the League of Nations in 1922 belongs to Israel. Don’t understand that legal concept? There’s another way to view ownership. When the 1948 war concluded with an armistice the Jordanian army controlled the West Bank, and two days later Jordan annexed the land. In 1967 Jordan attacked Israel, lost, and Israel took control of the land. While it is a violation of international law to acquire land as the aggressor in a war, it is not illegal to do so as a victim of aggression.
Only one thing I would disagree with you on. The real "leaders" of Hamas or Hezbollah do not live in Gaza or Syria, nor are they willing to sacrifice themselves for the cause of jihad. They live in Qatar or London, or Iran, a dozen places far, far from the fighting, where they can "call the shots" but suffer none of the consequences. They call for martyrdom of their followers, while living lives of luxury in their adopted homes. If those counties that hide these monsters were to seize their wealth and send them to Gaza to be part of the mass slaughter of its citizens, I wonder how long these calls for martyrdom would last.
it doesn't matter - they playing you. doesn't matter if the political leadership is there and the militant leadership is there. they all think the same and work toward the same evil goal
Very tidy indeed, easy because Sam fails to mention anything about the origins of Isreal, please watch 1948: Creation and Catastrophe, free on TH-cam. And this is the way we all have been brainwashed into thinking Isreal is just defending itself. They have been the aggressor from the start and it was a bad deal that is finally falling apart completely. Learn the actual history, not the propaganda, and certainly not Sam's smart but myopic anti-jihadist line. As Sam himself here says, there are many contributing factors that make up a conflict, but he is not even allowing the basis for this conflict which begins with a Zionist campaign that was exactly terrorism from the get go, look up the 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in which 91 people were killed, it was organized by Menachem Begin as Israel’s prime minister. Begin was only the first of the continuous right wing Zionists who are frank exponents of Jewish supremacism and who continue to rule Israel right this minute. I have used Sam's waking up ap for 3 years now, and I will not be renewing it again. I love all the guests he has on, but I can find them elsewhere. I find his guided meditations to be as strident as his thinking on this very critical moment of crisis. He has a lot to offer in criticizing Jihadism and nothing to offer in criticizing this other "lunatic ideology" which the US government backs.
Sam mentions the fact that a Jewish doctor saved the life of the leader of Hamas what he doesn't mention is that doctors nephew was murdered by Hamas on October 7th and whats left of his body taken into Gaza. RIP Tamir Adar ❤
or that that he would've seen thousands of palestinian civlians, many having never gone through due process, tortured and mutilated in isreali prisons. Harris is out of his mind. This conflict goes back way before jihadism, and Israel is commiting actual genocide live on tv
Shouldn't this be an example of the intentionality of extreme Islam? I'm struggling with understanding if a majority of the world - which includes non-Muslim supporters - is just plain bad or stupid. It's as if they cannot be reasoned with for the sake of a better world.
I am an Ex-Muslim from the Middle East and I agree with every word Sam Harris said. I want to ask your followers from all over the world: Do you really realize the danger of Islam? Or is there a state of ignorance that makes people not know what Islam is and consider it just one of the religions... and that extremism is just a few dozen fanatics... I live in the Middle East and I know that the 2 billion Muslims have a cancerous belief in dealing with the world. ..I do not know if the world is aware of the danger of this, whether politicians or people
I think so much of it is the West's evolution into religious tolerance which makes them believe they are being politically correct though they are truly being intimidated.
@liberalegypt, I am an atheist, also from the Levant. You are absolutely correct, and I wish more people were aware of the agenda of world domination that Islam has always propagated. If one is a true believer of Islam, one has to embrace Jihad, and it's all downhill from there. I wish there were 2 billion non-religionists who understood that. There are a lot of westerners who are dealing with white guilt, who divide the world into oppressor and oppressed, just by color of skin or place of birth. There is so much ignorance, it is depressing. The extremists of Judaism mirror Hamas, but there are fewer of them - as yet. Let's hope their numbers remain small. Thank you for speaking truth.
It is the double-edged sword of preventing hate speech. It is valuable when trying to prevent the demonizing of people who do no harm to others, but it also prevents demonizing actual demons.
So BEAUTIFUL. I cried as the antisemitism and the disinformation about Israel's motives to rid Gaza of Hamas is so full on in the UK where I live that hearing Sam Harris is like a reassuring hand on my arm.
" The first time the phrase “human animal” was recorded in history was by himmaliar, in The Posen speech to SS officers (6 October 1943) - On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians. Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1 According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1 When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1 From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations. A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower. The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest. The reported ages of the victims are as follows: 0-4: 2 civilians 5-12: 8 civilians 13-17: 14 civilians 18-25: 132 civilians 26-40: 119 civilians 41-60: 55 civilians 61+: 40 civilians Active duty military personnel: 18-25: 258 active duty military personnel 26-40: 60 active duty military personnel 41-60: 17 active duty military personnel 61+: 1 active duty military personnel haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%" -Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well' -Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband' Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023: 2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440. 2012 - 3,992 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 255. 2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492. 2018 - 31,259 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 300. 2019 - 15,491 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 138. 2020 - 2,581 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 30. 2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349. 2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191. 2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227. civilian deaths on the other side - 2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9 2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26 Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel. Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc The "Costs of War" study by brown in 2021 has these figures for the past 20 years of engagement of US policy: indirect deaths 4.5-4.7 million, direct 905-940,000 ; in other words 6 Million Deaths and 38 million displaced. This is relevant because of the Yinon Plan.
Holocaust denial doesn’t prove that the Holocaust didn’t happen, it only shows that you deny facts with your fake news. Denying the barbaric nature of the crimes of the Muslims of Gaza is the same.
@@BassByTheBay at this point, if you dont know the truth about the middle east, you must be avoiding it. so, accusing somebody of not having a substantive argument is disingenuous right at the start. when you start off with that, we all know what you are.
I worked at the UN for several years in the peacekeeping and security area. The UN is system of Agencies and organisations, some of which do great work to foster cooperation between countries on issues as diverse as international post to nuclear safety. However, large parts of it that are concerned with peacekeeping, promoting security and the delivery of services to refuges, displaced people and those in fear of starvation of endemic illness have become highly politicised and deeply cynical and corrupt organisations. Anyone who has worked at the UN for any length of time knows that UNRWA is by far the most compromised Agency. I have no idea how many UNRWA staff in Gaza are active Hamas operatives - that is those who will fire a rocket or use a rifle or RPG. However, that huge numbers of the UNRWA staff in Gaza actively support Hamas's campaign of violence against Israel is well known.
Again, thank you Sam Harris. For the clarity and comprehensiveness. I will be sharing this with decent people I know who have been very confused about the reality of this war.
Sam, you truly are the most coherent, concise, knowledgeable voice in the world. If only 2 billion Muslims could hear and absorb your message the future would look a lot brighter than it does today
I agree. Israel is dealing with a fanatic group of Islamist Jihadists that believe in death than life as it guarantees them internal life in paradise is a dangerous cult. The free world must forget about their Muslim voters and stand with Isreal to defeat this evil 😈!
As Israeli Druze (ex arab - i dont consider myself arab anymore, because this term was forced upon us minoorities in the middle east by arab colonizers from the arabian peninsula) thank you for sharing this video. This is well understood by us Israelis, Druze, Christians, Muslims, Beduins and Jewish Israelis but we are not great at explaining this. My family had lived in modern day North Israel for over 1000 years, as druze our ancestors teach us that they always lived along jews and until the ottoman empire where a muslim majority rule, there was fairly peaceful times and collaboration among jews, Christians, Druze.. it's islam subjection of all minorities to live us second class citizens that brought much of the suffering. Arab colonization is not well thought in the west and not at all in muslim countries.
@tamhiker1 let me tell you something, 1. I won't let anyone tell me how to self identify. Our druze community won't let overlord muslim arabs control how we see ourself. The title arabs was bestow on us a subjection/colonization. There is a term for Arab colonization.. it's called Arabization! I say no more! If the middle eastern jews managed to decolonize themselves from being looked as arabs! So will we the druze people. 2. As an israeli Druze, jewish Israelis are not our enemy, our villages often are as close as 1-2 km from jewish villages and towns and they never attack us, they never force anything upon us, they live among us in peace and don't ask us to convert or be subjected to their way of lives the way muslims always trying to convert everyone to islam or arabization. The jews let us be, as they let the Christians and Muslims villages within 5 KM to us alone. This is why jews all over the world is 15 million, no history of oppressing and force converting others. How do you think islam expanded? Do you know basic islam history? Let alone arabazing native indigenous groups like druze by arabs. Zero respect to others, yet tell themselves their a religion of peace. Only peaceful Muslims I know live in israel and are good people with no desire to convert the rest of us to islam. The same cannot be said about fundamental islamist in Iran, Lebanon, Gaza, etc. 3. I live in a town in North israel, where my ancestors have lived for over 1200 years, we live on a mountain overlooking Lebanon, when Islamist Hezballah shoot rockets into Israel that fly to our village, they don't consider that these rockets fall on Druze, chirstain, jewish or Muslim towns. And often the only thing between our homes and ancient towns built thousands of years ago being destoried by islamist rockets is israeli technology and israeli soliders risking their life to protect all of us. So weather israeli jews fully see me as an Arab or not, I can guarantee you they will 1. Not treat me differently to how they treat themselves. 2. Risk their own life to protect my home, my small children and my elderly parents. You need to understand that 99% of the media you are seeing online is either Qatari propaganda or American propaganda. On the ground, day to day, the reality is very different. 99% of minorities including Muslim beduins in israel, support Israel. And are as much part of israeli society as jewish.
@@tamhiker1 I misunderstood your last response. Those in the west bank are living horrifically. If you want to blame Israel for that then there really isn't much to discuss. I'll just point out that I don't know what Israel could do in light of the fact that the only goal of the "Palestinians" since 48 (and really, even before that) has been to rid the entire region of Jews. They have been pretty clear about that in words and in action. So what can Isreal possibly do? And by the way, my original comment was to yours about Israelis seeing the OP as an Arab and the implication that he was somehow subordinate. Its still a croc.
@@tamhiker1 I don't mean this to be condescending but is awareness of this conflict fairly new to you? The Pals have rejected two state solutions over and over again. As mentioned before, their goal is to rid the region of the Jews. Even when given the ability to govern themselves (there hasn't been a Jew in Gaza since 2006)....well, you saw the results in Gaza. They took the billions they received in foreign aid and instead of growing their economy and building infrastructure, they built terror tunnels and terrorists. The reason they live the way they do is twofold. 1. They are a certain security risk for Israel. If you can't see that then you are willfully ignoring reality. 2. Their ability to get responsible leadership in place has never come to fruition; beginning with Arafat and down through the years. "There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us" - Golda Meir. Hasn't happened yet.
@@LeoDeBrowne He might of lost all credibility and audience in the eyes of all conspiracy theorists who believe facebook posts and not medical professionals. It's only good thing they have their tin foil hat gatherings elsewhere.
It’s really creepy how what Sam says at the end makes me think of The Terminator. Here’s Kyle Reese describing the motivation of the Terminator to Sarah Connor: “It can’t be bargained with, it can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop - EVER - until you are dead.” Replace “you are” with “Israel is” and voilà, we have a perfect analogy. Is Hamas a Terminator? Is the Terminator Hamas? Either way, Reese’s description of the four key factors of the Terminator’s motivation - (1) it can’t be bargained with, (2) it can’t be reasoned with, (3) it has neither pity, remorse, nor fear, and (4) it won’t stop until [Israel] is dead - are as true for Hamas as they are for a fictional remorseless killing machine. Remember: Factors don’t care about your feelings.
@@paulbuschman8318 20% of Israeli citizens are non-Jewish, mostly Arabs. They serve in government and all other parts of society. 0% of Gaza residents are Jewish. Now explain, how does your version fix it?
"Solo Sam Harris podcasts are always the best." Not on this topic. The only people we've heard from so far on Making Sense are those who share his views. It just makes me wonder why Sam can't find an expert with a different perspective to debate with on this topic.
I know what you say about jihadists is not propaganda. How? Because I once was a religious fundamentalist. Fortunately my religion was anti war. But i longed to be a martyr as my one sure way of making it to paradise. I know how dangerous fundamentalist reigion is, let alone a violent one.
Fundamentalism is a Christian concept. There's a similar concept in islam but it is called Salafist Forgive me but ... If you were a to fundamentalist Christian, I am struggling to think of which denomination is anti-war. That's not a common feature in Christianity. Exception: Quakers. I know no other religion that has any equivalent to fundamentalism.
@@RobespierreThePoof Islam and Christianity are not the only two religions in the world. Also, fundamentalism (small f) is not necessarily a Christian concept.
So if there is a known terrorist in a football stadium, do Israel bomb it? What about a busy cafe, apartment block, or a hospital, or a bus... Israel is not open about how it determines each situation. There's a line somewhere, and the equation does include body count...
Anything to feel better about the 28,000 dead and 2,000,000 starving am I right? What about the IDF blowing up unoccupied UN built schools? The IDF destroying all Universities in Gaza. Completely leveling the North (literally every structure). What about the IDF shooting tank rounds at press in Lebanon killing 1 (caught on camera btw). The Numerous counts of IDF shooting innocent Palestinians simply trying to walk to the safe zones while holding white flags? Sam is a well spoken cleric who sits in his Ivory tower to speak sweet truths of nothingness in your ear. Nothing more.
“In general, we are not talking about people who are part of the reality-based community.” One day, I hope to be capable of half such diplomatic fluency when pointing out backward, iron-age religious zealotry.
Sam is so far from reality it's crazy. But he's right that it's a clash of civilizations. The west is sinking fast as the east rises. That's reality. And it's a reality that beginning to steamroll due to the total incompetence of western leadership...
Thank you Sam. An excellent program as always. I'm so glad you're speaking out on this problem again, the world needs as may sane voices as possible to make these points clear.
As an ex muslim from Iraq, I also stand with israel too, most people don't understand how islamists and jihadists think because they haven't talked to them, as someone who lived in the Middle East, it amazes me how sam knows exactly how jihadists think accurately, as if he lives in a Muslim majority country
As a Persian American, thank you for mentioning Iranian women. I feel sad and helpless for the people of Iran, and also the world really. Freedom and peace and compassion. Too much to ask?
Thank you, Sam Harris. I understand JIHAD like never before. I never made the fanatical relationship to death before this sharing. You are a true voice of reason
Gosh dang. I have been writing a sort of sloppy, disorganized dissertation for “fun” (for myself) since Oct. 7th. I’ve combed obsessively through articles and all manner of resources. It’s like 15 pages long and this absolute treasure of a podcast says everything I’ve written but in a succinct, articulate way. Thank you for putting this out there. The misinformation that has been spread and that is spreading about this topic isn’t just unfortunate, but potentially deadly. What’s gone on on U.S. campuses is pure lunacy.
@@LindaLoma-v2k I don’t know if ai agree that he’s not inherently biased. He is a Jew after all. I think he does a good job of staying consistent to his intellectual standards despite innate bias.
A shining gem of morality on the left. This is needed. Most pro-Israel sources are unfortunately «right wing» and outright dismissed by so many. This is obviously apolitical and calmly conveyed. Thank you, as allways, for being reasonable and reliable on these issues.
Yeah, I like sam harris’s content but he is so irrational about this topic that it’s laughable. This whole podcast is full of so many logical fallacies omg. It is so surprising for someone like sam harris, who portrays as an “intellectual” hasn’t given this topic a real honest inquiry.
yet he ignores the atrocities comitted by the IDF labelling them "mistakes and poor judgement" and that war crimes will "eventually" happen..they have already happened.
@@inbox0000Can you say one thing that your community did wrong? It is shocking that you people have never own up to anything. Nothing is your fault. The rest of the world is ALWAYS at fault. Any culture that is lacking in self-awareness self-reflection and self-criticism cannot prosper.
@@inbox0000 The key difference is that mistakes and poor judgement are inevitable, even with the best of intention, whereas the systematic and deliberate targeting of non-combatants, or pursuit of jihad/martyrdom are intrinsically detrimental. There will always be isolated rogue actors (when there is sufficient tension as with this situation) and humans always make occasional mistakes and in war, that can have terrible consequences. To see the difference, consider Sam's point at the end about what the world would look like if each group had total power. If Hamas had total power, automatic genocide and/or enslavement of all Israelis.... Israel essentially has total military power, yet less than 1pc of Palestinians are dead in 6 months of war.
It's not obvious at all. Why would you say that. This perspective has been buried by a deluge of disinformation and propaganda coming from the Iran-Hamas axis. And even without that nonsense, some of these details still wouldn't be obvious to people who do not know the history or follow the conduct relatively carefully.
Very well thought out, informed and hard-hitting narrative. The 5 points perfectly illustrate the issues facing not just the mid-east, but the world at large. It's a battle between civilized societies and the death cults.
Dear Sam, Thanks for this clarity. Clarity has to have power, if so, yours is the clearest one of all clarity. I would just hope, you will act with the same clarity. Action by folks like you is needed, it's high time. Thanks again. ❤
Did you listen to the bit about intention? If you intentionally drove your car into a child vs you swerved a child and hit another child are very different acts. You're over simplifying the issue, as if no child is harmed by stopping the war, children will continue to die, intentionally, at the hands of hamas
Deaths are tragic But we don’t always get old fashioned Hollywood endings where the hero talks the bad guy out of dropping the baby off the terrace and then the bad guys slips off and plunges to his death . In reality the bad guy is about to throw 10 babies one at a time but though he is shot and dying he manages to throw one off.
@@HecticGlennthe irony is that analogy completely oversimplifies Israel’s past actions, present actions and, most importantly, indiscriminate killing of anybody in Palestine.
How many data points would it take to make this man change his mind? Ive been listening to him spout the same arguments since this began and it no longer washes. Yes i have a lot of respect for his stance against Jihadiism, but no i dont understand his refusal to reassess how Israel has behaved since their war on Gazans - not Gaza, not Hamas, but Gazans - began
This sounds so convincing to me. I have long noticed that non-fundamentalists (such as I used to be) mostly seem incapable of understanding the danger of fundamentalist mentalities. This is the most worrying aspect of the present situation.
What rights does a home invader have when trespassing. What rights does a thief have to stolen goods. What rights does a colonizer have to defend colonized land. What right does the false state have to self defense. FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸
That's why Israel is destroying Hamas . Jews build Jerusalem and have been living there for the past 3 thousand years. The Muslim caliphate invaded Jerusalem in the 7th century
It’d be interesting for Sam to discuss how, perhaps, many people can’t fully comprehend the threat of Jihad because they can’t allow in the heart of darkness, the base, bloodthirsty, demonic, savage, nihilistic psychological realms inhabited by Jihadists, can’t understand that “death cult” actually means death cult and isn’t some phrase meant to shock or boost a point. As Bob Dylan said, “See life from a fair garden and everything looks cheerful. Climb to a higher plateau and you'll see plunder and murder.” Does some portion of general anti-war sentiment come from an inability to have “negative capability”, to hold war and its horrors as sometimes inevitable, that practicing non-violence or being nice or fair cannot overcome real evils (I once believed like this)? Life has much light and so much beauty, yes. But there’s no doubt a shadow side, which’s mostly been Integrated and expressed by the poet, artist, or mystic, who fully accept angels AND demons without judgement. In order to really understand the reality Sam’s describing, is it necessary, on some level, to personally encounter some of the uncontrollable chaotic violent side, that heart of darkness within us all? Does this account for why people, notoriously afraid to feel things deeply, can’t wrap their mind properly around the phenomena of Jihad, and instead cling to a more superficial and palatable reading of currents events?
IMHO and with a background in child psychology (studies), teaching, professional astrology leading to karmic astrology and then onto Buddhism, my answer to you is "yes," it is necessary to "shine light on" our Shadow side, that is, what we do not want to face about ourselves (we also have in our Shadow good things, but this is not the discussion here). I quote Jung : "When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." This happens on an individual level and a collective level and because we live in the world of duality, there is good and evil and most of us are somewhere on this linear spectrum. I dare not write more here, but psychology, Jung and Jungian thought, art (poetry, writing, painting etc ), astrology (karmic astrology particularly), mysticism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Hermeticism etc... show the way. I wrote about a linear spectrum, but our spiritual evolution is spiral (just to complicate things). Would love to write more and what you have written is absolutely true. @PhenomenalWorld
You just basically described me before 10/7 so I'm inclined to answer all of this with a 'yes.' Naivety. But 10/7 - and the immediate reaction from people whom I thought were just like me - changed me. Big time. Rose-colored glasses are off for me and I've spent the better part of 3 months examining and firming up my moral red lines. I wasn't even aware I had them. But I think there's a lot of people out there who are going through the same process, silently. Sam's courage to speak up here when mostly everyone is afraid to is very admirable.
@@JuliaGooliaOnGoogle There is another expression that might give you comfort : "The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable". I enjoyed reading you because that is exactly what happened to me to and my own transformation because of this is far from over.
In the East, they have a crystal moral clarity albeit the morality they are clear about is twisted, deranged subversive and absurd, but clear nevertheless. The West in the main is morally ambiguous specially on the left and thanks to that new craze of DEI and cultural relativism is getting worse. @sandra_rds
I agree, it seems like he is doing these monologues to avoid getting criticized. I wish he could bring on some balanced experts like Thomas Friedman or Ian Bremmer
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Israel is not intentionally trying to commit genocide but does not really care if their military repeatedly does commit acts that are consistent with it. Does Sam sincerely believe that Israel is taking measured and justifiable military actions in Gaza under a Netanyahu government? That position is pathetically glib
Netanyahu and his messianic fascist friends are the real problem. Many Israelis, especially those who volunteer to protect their people, have high moral standards. That's why measures are taken. That's why Yahya Sinwar was treated by Israeli doctors, who could have just killed him Some say, should have when they had the chance and he was under their scalpel. Israelis were raised on ethical values which the Netanyahu dictatorship has eroded for nearly 20 years. He is the real scourge. And his crazy wife Sarah.
Wow Sam. I leave listening to you not feeling polarised hate against any race, nationality creed or religion but better informed on human frailty. Why we are, and probably always will be, work in progress. Keep this work up my brother.
I say this as 13-year long fan of Sam. I can't say I follow his logic 10 minutes in. Sensible critics of the Israeli government's actions wouldn't argue that Israel should be pacifist, nor would they support Hamas views. Just like we can acknowledge that Israel needs a strong military spine to stabilise it against very real aggressors in the region (not just Hamas), we can also acknowledge that Hamas was not born in a vacuum, despite islamic texts which can be interpreted to encourage aggression - they are as bad as they are in large part due to the systemic encroachment and curtailing of rights over many years. No I am not victim-blaming. Yes Hamas are terrorists, yes they have taken hostages, and killed and tortured innocents. Historical causes aside, is what Israel is doing really the way? Collateral damage is one thing, but the scale of the damage being inflicted here is orders of magnitude disproportionate. We want to see the barbarians of Oct 7th brought to justice, but can we really say that Israel's govt has no choice but to do this for reasons of self-defence? Given the scale of the deaths, and destruction - can we really say what the Israeli govt has done, is truly better than if they had made the 'pacifist' decision and used it's forces only for defence? Some will see this comment as a personal attack on Sam (whom I consider a hero) or on Israelis or Jews. I understand why Israel has done what they've done - but that doesn't mean we should agree or support their decision - and let's not get into extremist ideologies, as there's plenty of footage online of IDF soldiers relishing in the killing and torture of Palestinian people, as well as quotes from Israeli government staff with highly dangerous rhetoric. This is a mess - and wholesale carnage is not the appropriate response and Israel could have taken a more humane patch, even in the face of Hamas' savagery.
@@mathish1477 The only thing Harris is good at is making religion look ridiculous. But, somewhere along the way, he developed a vendetta against Islam and Muslims, in particular. He's extremely biased.
Sam seems to be the ONLY sane outspoken public figure, a courageous voice of reason in the middle of a complete world madness. I wish there were more like him but we are stuck with corrupt idiotic weak people in the positions of power.
Thank you for articulating a critically important perspective that many in the west or so called global south fail or refuse to acknowledge. As someone who lives in Israel, yours is an important voice that we often fail to effectively express. We too have a small minority of crazies who tend to be loud, beyond the pale and are often seen, incorrectly as representing the majority of Israelis.
@@SteveTaylor-x9w according to the wording of the ICJ, I would be impossible for Israel to comply with the rulling WITHOUT a ceasefire. NIce try. Anything else?......
@@fightforthemic9081 Did you read the ruling? The court ordered Israel to take actions to prevent acts of gen0cide. It did not rule that gen0cide was happening, and again, it did not call for a ceasefire or suggest that Israel must stop the war to prevent gen0cide. Anything else? Yeah, the court called for H'mas to release the hostages.
@@SteveTaylor-x9w haha! I love the fact that you took the time to ctrl-c ctrl-p from the ICJ ruling, but still felt the need to change the "O" in genocide to a Zero.
It's sad to see Sam argue a straw man. The idea that any scrutiny of Israel against the civilian population of Palestine is saying don't go after hamas is to stupid for him to actually believe.
Some people ARE saying that for one thing. Or blaming Israel for the conflict. Or constantly clutching pearls over civilian casualties. They seem to forget what war is. And also forget that Israel already does more to limit civilian casualties than any other military on earth.
Moral clarity? Good god! Sam has become so blinkered on this issue I barely recognise the man who I have grown to respect so much over the years. His(well placed) hatred of Islam has blinded him so much that he's arguing from such a one sided and morally dubious stand point
8:52 - 𝗚𝗲𝗻𝗼𝗰𝗶𝗱𝗲: ‘the deliberate 𝗸𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗴 of a 𝗹𝗮𝗿𝗴𝗲 𝗻𝘂𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿 of people from a particular 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗻𝗶𝗰 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗽 with the aim of 𝗱𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴 that nation or group.’ 𝟮𝟱,𝟬𝟬𝟬 Palestinians killed in 4 months, mass displacement, perceived collective punishment that has made the return of Gazans to their homeland 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗹𝗲. Meanwhile, Israeli settlements persist in the West Bank. The designation of a '𝗚𝗲𝗻𝗼𝗰𝗶𝗱𝗲' label is suggested to only occur when 𝗮𝗹𝗹 disputed land is under Israeli ownership. Those currently asserting claims of genocide foresee this as the most likely outcome. Is it really fair to hold them accountable for harbouring such concerns? Also, the 250K-2M growth was due not just to births, but by 𝗿𝗲𝗳𝘂𝗴𝗲𝗲𝘀 also.
“And they teach their children that the highest thing they can aspire to is to kill themselves by killing Jews. And these are the people the Israelis are supposed to negotiate with?” - Pat Condell, _Peace In The Middle East_ [03:14] [ th-cam.com/video/sNNhG0zDtA8/w-d-xo.htmlm14s ]
Most of the fresh water in Gaza and all of the water in the West Bank is supplied by Israel. If Israel reduced the flow of water to a trickle, life by millions of Palestinians would become unbearable. Israel doesn't even do that, let alone genocide.
While I’ve always enjoyed listening to Sam on a number of topics, I find that, despite his claims of objectivity, he’s focused on Hamas rather than the deeper causes of conflict initiated by Israel’s continuing annexation of Palestinian land and the displacement of its people.
It would be instrumental to see a debate between Sam Harris and someone with authority on the subject matter such as Israeli historian, Ilan Pape speak on the issue.
Still doesn’t justify the psychopathic behaviour we see from Hamas and the Palestinian civilians who support and often take part in atrocities with Hamas. He addressed this with the comparison of societies like Tibet. They have been displaced and mistreated by China for decades. They have never committed mass murder or rape against the Chinese like the Palestinians have.
_ have been displaced and mistreated by China for decades. They have never committed mass murder or rape against the Chinese like the Palestinians have._ Should they? Why haven't they? Has pacifism 'fixed' their situation?
@sandra_rdsThanks for your post. It serves as the perfect illustration of what it looks like when ignorant or deceitful people start and end the history of the entire conflict on 10/07/23.
27:15 “jihadists are very clever”. You’re right and that’s true, it’s just so hard to not laugh at calling someone who’s willing to destroy themself clever. 🤣
The jihadists have already demonstrated that they are more intelligent than the comfortable Westerners who swallowed the slogan with the religion of peace, swallowed the hatred for the Jews and ended up executing what the jihadists dictate to them.
If you believe that the IDF is trying to eradicate Hamas while minimizing civilian loss, you are delusional. Sam refuses to acknowledge that the hatred in the middle east goes both ways and keeps portraying Israel as a completely rational, peace-seeking actor. Extremely lobsided take, as always the case with Sam on Israel.
Delusional? The only obstacle in the way of the IDF achieving its goal of destroying H'mas is pressure from the international community to make peace due to outrage over civilian casualties.
A few questions: 1. Does the Iranian population in general support israel? I see a lot of support from Persians outside of Iran but I'm not sure if that represents Iranians within Iran. 2. It seems like there's a people's uprising against the Islamic regime. Do you think they will succeed in overturning the government and putting another system in place? 3. Are you allowed unfiltered internet access there?
@@yehudagreenfield Hey, all the big questions. HAHA - I'd say there is a huge support from inside Iran as well. However, you can't find people publicly expressing it for many reasons. The biggest one is the oppressive regime in Iran which bans all of that. I'm one of the supporters BTW, hope the war ends soon in favour of innocent people on both sides. If you read the history of relationships before the Islamic revolution, you will find out why there is a huge tie between Persians and Jews. and how the revolution ruined everything... - True, there have been movements inside Iran against the autocracy for decades. I'm certain that big change will happen one day, the new generations are far more informed, educated and smarter. They give me the hope of a better future for Iran and the region. - The internet is heavily filtered, I'm using a VPN system providing me with an Australian IP so I can access social media etc. Hope that info helps
Israel is a criminal state imposed by the British and later aided by USA. It does does not have legitimacy just because they have a holy book that says God gave the land to the jews. Sam is embarrassing and has become a Jewish apologetic. Utterly disgusting.
I really hope your not serious? Giving them what they want is the worst thing we or anyone could do. It does not satiate it only encourages far worse behavior. I can give you plenty of examples. The biggest one is that Palestinians have been offered a state of their own at least five times and not only did they reject those offers but every single attempt at negotiations resulted in an attack on Israel. This makes complete sense when you understand the Islamist/Jihadist Mindset. They believe if you can be forced to the bargaining table that you can be defeated and they use things like cease fires and negotiation only to get respite and get back on their feet so they can attack again and also to judge what type of effect said attacks are having. Neither Hamas, Islamic Jihard, PLO or any other group give a damn about Palestinian civillians a bit they only care about how they can be used to attack Israel and so far the majority of those Palestinians see just fine with that.( Though there are also many who want Israel to get rid of Hamas for them they are simply to afraid to actually say so publlically.
Compare and contrast - The word עוֹלֵל, ʿôlēl which means 'Babe, infant, little one, a suckling' occurs 21 King James Bible Verses Of these verses: “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” -Psalm 137:9 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” -1 Samuel 15:3 “Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.” -Jeremiah 6:11 “Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.” -Hosea 13:16 The other verses are not much different. Infact it is always in association with violence. Indeed these verses are the reason why in the Crusades the sense of pious rejoicing at massacre does not appear to be the product of later theologizing; it is also found, in the account of the eye-witness Raymond of Aguilers: “in the Temple and porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies.” In fact, Raymond continues, “This day, I say, will be famous in all future ages, for it turned our labours and sorrows into joy and exultation; this day, I say, marks the justification of all Christianity, the humiliation of paganism, and the renewal of our faith.” This is the polar opposite in the Quran in Surah Al-Tanwir, literally "The Englightenining" Surah, Aya 8-9, we have the death of a newborn is mentioned amongst the penultimate signs of the end of times, emphasizing the gravity of such an action. That child, now resurrected, is asked for what wrong doing was she murdered. This is to emphasize that she had done nothing wrong, for she had done nothing wrong and this is the day of retribution where those who omitted the evil are to be punished. This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190, which exhorts to fight unbelievers and not be "Aggressors", in the commentary of what it means to be aggressors, this was stated Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah): It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, "The Prophet forbade killing women and children." بابتداء القتال أو بقتال من نهيتم عن قتاله من النساء والشيوخ والصبيان والذين بينكم وبينهم عهد أو بالمثلة أو بالمفاجأة من غير دع "To kill those whom you were forbidden to from women, elderly, children and those whom betwixt you is a treaty or custom or by surprise or without cause" -Tafsir Al-Zamakshari of the meaning of Aggressors in the Aya The modifiable testaments testament genocide on the other hand.Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190 limits war to those who fight against Muslims, prohibits transgression, and implies respect for human dignity and life Indeed it is what precedes the famous "sword verse", always cited out of context. God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.
I was very confused when I first began reading about the pro-Palestine movement along with the Israel perpetrator narrative, and ultimately what settled it for me was the historical polling statistics of Gazans. This is the clearest, most logically coherent commentary on the Israel-Hamas war that I've heard to date. Thank you Sam Harris.
OMG such a Sam W! Sam Harris is so objective and clear minded. Such a unique voice. This whole video does by no means serve the singular purpose of delegitimizing the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza and legitimize the actions of the Israeli military. Israel is just misunderstood and mistreated by the rest of the word! Very unfair! Sam is so objective and unbiased.
Your assertion of being "objective and clear-minded" is somewhat amusing to me. Instead of truly embodying objectivity, this viewpoint falls short in capturing the subtleties essential for a comprehensive understanding. It appears to oversimplify the conflict into a stark black-and-white portrayal, overlooking the crucial exploration of diverse angles and perspectives.
Just once I’d like to hear Sam steelman the opposing arguments of this issue. I totally agree regarding jihadism and Hamas, but the common Palestinian citizen is not ‘solely concerned with paradise’, rather with the life they are living today. There is no doubt they have been oppressed, disenfranchised and demoralized for generations, and the impotence to change that status quo must drive a hopeless frustration that I don’t think I can even imagine. What would be an appropriate response, and how could they possibly achieve it when the international community is seemingly on the side of their oppressors? I’ll wager that most people there, as everywhere, desire to work and live and raise their families in peace, but find themselves trapped between the emasculating dominance of Israel and the jihadists who would manipulate their grievances to serve their own ends. Hamas and Israel both have culpability in the turmoil and in the deaths of so many ordinary people.
Sam, the issue that some of us here in the U.K. have with the conflict in Gaza, is the disproportionate loss of life. Personally, I think that Israel missed a global opportunity to retain the moral high ground. There has to be an alternative to the violence that we’re seeing now. Violence only begets more violence.
@@AgtsmirnoffViolence only begets more violence. The only thing that Israel’s achieved with this reaction, is the certainty of a perpetual war with Palestine. As the adults in the room, as the so-called decent society, why doesn’t Israel see this? Or maybe they do and they just want retribution for what happened on 7th October?
@@shaunmcgee4204 What a load of nonsense. Violence does not only beget more violence. There are so many examples of violence begetting good things like peace and justice. If a man comes into your home, beats you to within an inch of your life and says he's going to come back to finish the job, are you going to "take the moral high ground" and eschew violence. Of course not: you're going to get the police to use the state's monopoly on violence to have this guy locked up so he doesn't kill you.
@@hpesoj00Well Cupcake, in this particular instance, I can guarantee you that Israel’s current retribution policy isn’t going to bring about a lasting peace in the region.
Me too! So many people are questioning Israels defense and yet not questioning why Hamas hasn't agreed to stop attacking Israel and give back the hostages to end this war. It's insane what is going on here. Hamas has not only brainwashed their own people but they have also brainwashed people all over the world.
@@fadidabban no, Israel is not legally an occupying power. All territory west of the Jordan River is lawfully part of Israel. Israel is the lawful sovereign inheritor of the British Mandate from 1948. Aka sovereign succession. Israel has graciously allowed the creation of a Palestinian Self-governing autonomous region on its own territory. Gaza on the other hand has been fully independent and sovereign since 2005, and under the rule of Hamas since 2007.
. Can you explain who lived in israel before Palestines (muslims arabs) immigrated there from the middle east. You dont need to auctuly. jews lived there. So if jews lived there and the plaestines came and took that lands jews have every right to take it back
It is existential for Israel, it existential for women and all those who genuinely love them. Thank you. It is time we wake up and evolve beyond ideology of death as legit. If religion is not making your life more beautiful and prosperous I say it has to be let go, because the whole purpose of spirituality is to make life more beautiful not vice versa
The trouble with most wannabe religious people no matter what confession is that they are self-righteous and sanctimonious hypocrites. They honor their God with their lips, but inside their hearts they are ugly, hatedriven and sanctimonious beasts. A breed of vipers.
For years, I have listened to reports of Israeli soldiers shooting Palestinian People at the border. I have listened to reports of Israeli families moving into Palestinian homes while the owners were at work and/or at school. While Jeresulum was intended to remain neutral and the borders of Israel were clearly delineated and agreed upon, as per the NATO plan, it appears Israel had differing plans. Seemingly, since 1943-45 Israel has consistently sought to expand its border as well as move Israeli people into Jerusalem.and across borderlines. i can think of no better way to awaken a death cult.
You really need to read a history book. Or look for Benny Morris interviews. Moving into Pals homes while the owners were at work or school? You are insane if you believed that. Also, Yerushalayim - Hebrew name, Hebrew city. Whoever said it was supposed to be neutral? And when did ANY Pally leader agree to a partition? Never. Because they always wanted everything, while Israel was willing to make concessions again and again and again. But Islam has a hunger nothing will feed, other than death and more death and more death. And oh yeah, marrying 6 year olds and consummating said marriage when they're 9. Disgusting Profit Mohammed.
@@WorldifySanitynah you just don’t like him because he’s educated on the oppression of the Palestinians. There’s a reason why 1.1 billion people are protesting in 2024 pro Palestine. If you can’t see it, you’re a joke
I used to think that Muslims never demonstrated signs of happiness. For example, you don't typically see Muslims smile or laugh. That led me to wonder about their religion. The perception was it was more based on anger and fear than love. On October 7th I saw what truly make Muslims laugh and smile. I guess it boils down to motivation. That attitude is scary. Thank you Sam for a good summary.
Sam, you dealt an equivocation at 8:50 & I'm disappointed. "The term genocide has a clear meaning. It's the destruction or attempted destruction of a whole people." Followed by; "according to the 1948 Genocide Convention, genocide constitutes acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic or racial or religious group." The difference between those two definitions is important.
He goes on to argue population increases counteract killing people. It's literally a tiktok meme. He seems to be saying "As long as the population increases over time, you can kill as many people as you want". Forget that for a moment. He argues the population has increased since '48 and that people have leveled these accusations at Israel before. Except we aren't talking about '48, we're talking about '2023-24. A span of about 4 months. South Africa is concerned with the present. Not only was his definition disingenuous, his argument is nothing more than a strawman. Is this intentional or does he really not understand what he's talking about? To me it appears to be deliberate obfuscation.
I agree with you about Islam and thank you for your podcasts which I enjoy. As an Iranian, I can say most people in Iran are very different from the picture many people have in mind about them. I agree that 40 years ago they were more brain-washed, but nowadays, the number of jihadists and extremists is very few among Iranians, most of them are peaceful and they resent Hamas and their barbaric acts. Just wanted to mention that the Iranian government is different from the people. It has been many years that Iranian people have been fighting against the government that has taken them hostage for these years. Most of us actually feel deep sympathy towards Israelians who now have hostages in Hamas's hands and stand with them.
Most Muslims are not the problem and peaceful! But if 25% that are not, are a BIG problem. They do need to be addressed ASAP
Judaism is where Islam gets its violence from. The torah and talmud also command the believers to murder and rape, and as we see both abrahamic zealots currently follow those orders- except harris only has concern for one of these groups of zealots
Do you think it's unpreventable that our countries will clash ? 😢. I have many Iranian friends from previous student exchanges, and am aware of the sentiment of the people vs the government. I love them very much. Some of them even tole me straight up Iran must eventually be dealt with. I can't imagine how painful it must to speak of your own country in such terms. Is there no hope of a peaceful change of regime in your opinion?
I wish I could say the same about Pakistan too. It has been state propaganda since 1980 in Pakistan it is default position of everyone. Our government and people are pretty much on same page. Just condemning H*m*s once and then focusing all attention on Is*ael alone is not enough. Why don't they call back Pakistanis who work in Qatar or any country that funds H*m*s? Why don't they boycott all Arab countries that support them? Why only boycotting Is*ael? Why was there criminal silence for first 3 to 4 days when attack began even though videos were circulating all over the internet? And millions of them only took to the street as soon as Israel began its action?
Edit: I just wanna say Sam Harris is one of the few intellectuals who sees how much religion has to do with all of it. I have ordered his book End of Faith which is supposed to arrive this week.
“…he does not mention Israeli settlements on the West..” How can Israel be a “colonizer” of its own land?
Under international law the principle of _Uti Possidetis Juris_ all of the land within Mandatory Palestine which was agreed to by the League of Nations in 1922 belongs to Israel.
Don’t understand that legal concept? There’s another way to view ownership.
When the 1948 war concluded with an armistice the Jordanian army controlled the West Bank, and two days later Jordan annexed the land. In 1967 Jordan attacked Israel, lost, and Israel took control of the land. While it is a violation of international law to acquire land as the aggressor in a war, it is not illegal to do so as a victim of aggression.
Only one thing I would disagree with you on. The real "leaders" of Hamas or Hezbollah do not live in Gaza or Syria, nor are they willing to sacrifice themselves for the cause of jihad. They live in Qatar or London, or Iran, a dozen places far, far from the fighting, where they can "call the shots" but suffer none of the consequences. They call for martyrdom of their followers, while living lives of luxury in their adopted homes. If those counties that hide these monsters were to seize their wealth and send them to Gaza to be part of the mass slaughter of its citizens, I wonder how long these calls for martyrdom would last.
Let them fund UNRWA. The Egyptian Yasser Arafat amassed $1Billion from his grift, pretending to fight for liberation.
it doesn't matter - they playing you. doesn't matter if the political leadership is there and the militant leadership is there. they all think the same and work toward the same evil goal
I'm sorry, but are you talking about Israel or the Palestinians?@@explore-n
clearly the palastinians. their corruption is known around the world. on the same level of curruption in iran and russia@@dougmorrow746
It's not like the prophet Muhammad volunteered to martyr himself for his cause.
He got suckers to do that for him.
Could someone pls do a 45 sec version of this for Tiktok preferably with a dancing half dressed influencer so it reaches the smart kids in Harvard?
That's a great business idea! 😅
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sadly, even woke harvard people are more level headed about this topic than sam harris is
This is the most concise, well spoken and accurate description of the conflict, leaving very little to be debated. I literally agree with every word.
Very tidy indeed, easy because Sam fails to mention anything about the origins of Isreal, please watch 1948: Creation and Catastrophe, free on TH-cam. And this is the way we all have been brainwashed into thinking Isreal is just defending itself. They have been the aggressor from the start and it was a bad deal that is finally falling apart completely. Learn the actual history, not the propaganda, and certainly not Sam's smart but myopic anti-jihadist line. As Sam himself here says, there are many contributing factors that make up a conflict, but he is not even allowing the basis for this conflict which begins with a Zionist campaign that was exactly terrorism from the get go, look up the 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in which 91 people were killed, it was organized by Menachem Begin as Israel’s prime minister. Begin was only the first of the continuous right wing Zionists who are frank exponents of Jewish supremacism and who continue to rule Israel right this minute. I have used Sam's waking up ap for 3 years now, and I will not be renewing it again. I love all the guests he has on, but I can find them elsewhere. I find his guided meditations to be as strident as his thinking on this very critical moment of crisis. He has a lot to offer in criticizing Jihadism and nothing to offer in criticizing this other "lunatic ideology" which the US government backs.
Thank you for being rational. Not sarcasm my friend. ✌🏻
Sam mentions the fact that a Jewish doctor saved the life of the leader of Hamas what he doesn't mention is that doctors nephew was murdered by Hamas on October 7th and whats left of his body taken into Gaza. RIP Tamir Adar ❤
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or that that he would've seen thousands of palestinian civlians, many having never gone through due process, tortured and mutilated in isreali prisons. Harris is out of his mind. This conflict goes back way before jihadism, and Israel is commiting actual genocide live on tv
Shouldn't this be an example of the intentionality of extreme Islam? I'm struggling with understanding if a majority of the world - which includes non-Muslim supporters - is just plain bad or stupid. It's as if they cannot be reasoned with for the sake of a better world.
I am an Ex-Muslim from the Middle East and I agree with every word Sam Harris said. I want to ask your followers from all over the world: Do you really realize the danger of Islam? Or is there a state of ignorance that makes people not know what Islam is and consider it just one of the religions... and that extremism is just a few dozen fanatics... I live in the Middle East and I know that the 2 billion Muslims have a cancerous belief in dealing with the world. ..I do not know if the world is aware of the danger of this, whether politicians or people
We only realised when your mother's womb got full of dirt 😎
I think so much of it is the West's evolution into religious tolerance which makes them believe they are being politically correct though they are truly being intimidated.
@liberalegypt, I am an atheist, also from the Levant. You are absolutely correct, and I wish more people were aware of the agenda of world domination that Islam has always propagated. If one is a true believer of Islam, one has to embrace Jihad, and it's all downhill from there. I wish there were 2 billion non-religionists who understood that. There are a lot of westerners who are dealing with white guilt, who divide the world into oppressor and oppressed, just by color of skin or place of birth. There is so much ignorance, it is depressing. The extremists of Judaism mirror Hamas, but there are fewer of them - as yet. Let's hope their numbers remain small. Thank you for speaking truth.
@@NothingButGoodStuff "There is so much ignorance, it is depressing."
I bitch about this all the damn time!
It is the double-edged sword of preventing hate speech. It is valuable when trying to prevent the demonizing of people who do no harm to others, but it also prevents demonizing actual demons.
I feel embarrassing grateful when I hear informed & intelligent people outside of Israel who give any support at all to sane analysis. THANK YOU.
There's more of us than the propaganda war run by Iran and Qatar might make it seem
So BEAUTIFUL. I cried as the antisemitism and the disinformation about Israel's motives to rid Gaza of Hamas is so full on in the UK where I live that hearing Sam Harris is like a reassuring hand on my arm.
Would it be antisemitic to blame Jews for this?
He is not alone speaking out about it
There are more
This entire episode is gold. Thank you. As someone whose family was kidnapped by Hamas, you bring common sense to a complex problem.
" The first time the phrase “human animal” was recorded in history was by himmaliar, in The Posen speech to SS officers (6 October 1943) - On the 7th, it is crucial to understand that there were no direct attacks on civilians, only collateral damage. Out of the 1148 total names on haaret dataset, 473 military and 675 were civilians.
Ratio of civilians to military personnel killed on the 7th was 1 . 4 : 1 - lower than any of the iTf "mowing" operations, which has a ratio of 7 : 1
According to UN OCHA data from 2008 to 2022; The collateral damage on the 7th was significantly lower than any of the ITf "mowing" operations, which had a ratio of 7:1 with 1,023 military personnel out of 6,541 total. On the 7th, with 473 military (418 were iTf military personnel, 55 belonged to the police) out of 1148 total, the ratio of civilians to military personnel was a mere 1.4:1
When including all casualties, not just deaths, the collateral damage ratio of the "mowing" operations is a staggering 162:1
From the 161,233 accumulated civilian casualties over only 14 years of "mowing" operations.
A 162 :1 ratio means that for every 162 civillians, 1 military personnel is a casualty. The 7th had a ratio of 1.4:1, more than a hundred times lower.
The 473 are - 55 soldiers, 13 privates, 59 corporals, 200 sergeants (45 of whom were sergeant majors), 48 commanders, 32 lieutenants, 5 lieutenant colonels, 6 colonels, 37 officers, 10 inspectors, 6 intendents, and 2 Lance Corp. This was a military defeat, and they are taking it out on the rest.
The reported ages of the victims are as follows:
0-4: 2 civilians
5-12: 8 civilians
13-17: 14 civilians
18-25: 132 civilians
26-40: 119 civilians
41-60: 55 civilians
61+: 40 civilians
Active duty military personnel:
18-25: 258 active duty military personnel
26-40: 60 active duty military personnel
41-60: 17 active duty military personnel
61+: 1 active duty military personnel
haaretz datasheet titled title: xsraxl's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hxmxs Attacks, Mxssxcres and the xsrxel-Hxmxs Wxr
There is a more detailed report of of oct 7th titled "I scrapped the information about 1096 of the 1460 killed on 7th of October Attack. Children Less than 1%"
-Yocheved Lifshitz account - 'they treated us well'
-Yasmin Porat account - 'i.T.f kxilled my husband'
Civilians were taken to have swaps for the civilians rotting in prisons without charge on the other side. An excess of ten thousands, all before the seventh
UN Human Rights Office (UN OCHA) PA Civilians 2008-2023:
2008 - 2,325 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,440.
2012 - 3,992 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 255.
2014 - 17,533 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 1,492.
2018 - 31,259 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 300.
2019 - 15,491 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 138.
2020 - 2,581 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 30.
2021 - 19,183 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 349.
2022 - 10,345 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 191.
2023 up to September - 8,508 Wounded Civilians, Deaths 227.
civilian deaths on the other side -
2008: 3 , 2012: 6 , 2014: 73 , 2018: 9
2019: 10 , 2020: 0 , 2021: 9 , 2022: 26
Total; 2008 up to September 2023 - 161,233 PA Civilian Casualties, 1,023 military personnel.
Wounded includes: amputees from the deliberate targeting of knees by snipers, white phosphorous third degree body burns, etc
The "Costs of War" study by brown in 2021 has these figures for the past 20 years of engagement of US policy: indirect deaths 4.5-4.7 million, direct 905-940,000 ; in other words 6 Million Deaths and 38 million displaced. This is relevant because of the Yinon Plan.
Holocaust denial doesn’t prove that the Holocaust didn’t happen, it only shows that you deny facts with your fake news. Denying the barbaric nature of the crimes of the Muslims of Gaza is the same.
🙏 for your family, I can’t imagine. I agree, 100%. People need to educate themselves because they won’t get it from the MSM.
@@mznxbcv12345you must be an accountant, you can do anything with statistics and get your information from any source. Propaganda!
@@mznxbcv12345 Hamas are classified as terrorists, how can anyone defend them?
Thank you for being a voice of truth and reason.
All people of the free world should hear this episode
What, so they can fooled by this clown Sam Harris?
Can you point out what was wrong of what Sam said?
@@jacksonrauch9429The only thing an ad hominem convinces people of is that you don't have a substantive argument.
@@BassByTheBay at this point, if you dont know the truth about the middle east, you must be avoiding it. so, accusing somebody of not having a substantive argument is disingenuous right at the start. when you start off with that, we all know what you are.
@@TheMadmacs If you were trying to exemplify my point, you've succeeded.
How do you reason with a group that sees paradise down the barrel of a gun? You don’t. You can’t.
Right? Israel does not relent in it's violence.
I want to watch a debate between a Rabbi and Imam that would allow for mockery of the other's theology
@@Dare.Bear.X Cute! But false and if you don’t understand that then that’s on you. Dare you to actually read history.
How do you reason with a groups that it's leadership resides in Qatar which is the main US ally in the region ? 😅
You mean like Zionist settlers?
A thing of great beauty. Thanks for pulling all this together for everyone.
This podcast says everything that has been rattling around in my heart since Oct. 7. Thank you Sam Harris!
I worked at the UN for several years in the peacekeeping and security area. The UN is system of Agencies and organisations, some of which do great work to foster cooperation between countries on issues as diverse as international post to nuclear safety. However, large parts of it that are concerned with peacekeeping, promoting security and the delivery of services to refuges, displaced people and those in fear of starvation of endemic illness have become highly politicised and deeply cynical and corrupt organisations. Anyone who has worked at the UN for any length of time knows that UNRWA is by far the most compromised Agency. I have no idea how many UNRWA staff in Gaza are active Hamas operatives - that is those who will fire a rocket or use a rifle or RPG. However, that huge numbers of the UNRWA staff in Gaza actively support Hamas's campaign of violence against Israel is well known.
Thank you
Again, thank you Sam Harris. For the clarity and comprehensiveness. I will be sharing this with decent people I know who have been very confused about the reality of this war.
Sam, you truly are the most coherent, concise, knowledgeable voice in the world. If only 2 billion Muslims could hear and absorb your message the future would look a lot brighter than it does today
Categorising 2 billion people as a homogenous unit? Sounds a little discriminatory if I'm being honest
@@HaggardPillockHD No, he is not doing that.
@@Fomites who do you mean by "he"?
The free world should support evry country who's threatened by the jihadists and the radical islam.. I stand with Israel 🇮🇱
Ok let's play
Which world is free ? ICJ verdict debunked your nonsense
I agree. Israel is dealing with a fanatic group of Islamist Jihadists that believe in death than life as it guarantees them internal life in paradise is a dangerous cult. The free world must forget about their Muslim voters and stand with Isreal to
defeat this evil 😈!
@Redwood-sz9td provide proof . Waiting
If u stand with Israel . Kindly show yourself to be treated how Israel treats others .
Brilliantly , clearly , simply stated .. i wish this podcast would be listened to by millions
As Israeli Druze (ex arab - i dont consider myself arab anymore, because this term was forced upon us minoorities in the middle east by arab colonizers from the arabian peninsula) thank you for sharing this video. This is well understood by us Israelis, Druze, Christians, Muslims, Beduins and Jewish Israelis but we are not great at explaining this. My family had lived in modern day North Israel for over 1000 years, as druze our ancestors teach us that they always lived along jews and until the ottoman empire where a muslim majority rule, there was fairly peaceful times and collaboration among jews, Christians, Druze.. it's islam subjection of all minorities to live us second class citizens that brought much of the suffering. Arab colonization is not well thought in the west and not at all in muslim countries.
@@tamhiker1 what a croc. Over 2m arabs living well in Israel.
@@tamhiker1 As I wrote, they are living well.
@tamhiker1 let me tell you something, 1. I won't let anyone tell me how to self identify. Our druze community won't let overlord muslim arabs control how we see ourself. The title arabs was bestow on us a subjection/colonization. There is a term for Arab colonization.. it's called Arabization! I say no more! If the middle eastern jews managed to decolonize themselves from being looked as arabs! So will we the druze people.
2. As an israeli Druze, jewish Israelis are not our enemy, our villages often are as close as 1-2 km from jewish villages and towns and they never attack us, they never force anything upon us, they live among us in peace and don't ask us to convert or be subjected to their way of lives the way muslims always trying to convert everyone to islam or arabization. The jews let us be, as they let the Christians and Muslims villages within 5 KM to us alone. This is why jews all over the world is 15 million, no history of oppressing and force converting others. How do you think islam expanded? Do you know basic islam history? Let alone arabazing native indigenous groups like druze by arabs. Zero respect to others, yet tell themselves their a religion of peace. Only peaceful Muslims I know live in israel and are good people with no desire to convert the rest of us to islam. The same cannot be said about fundamental islamist in Iran, Lebanon, Gaza, etc.
3. I live in a town in North israel, where my ancestors have lived for over 1200 years, we live on a mountain overlooking Lebanon, when Islamist Hezballah shoot rockets into Israel that fly to our village, they don't consider that these rockets fall on Druze, chirstain, jewish or Muslim towns. And often the only thing between our homes and ancient towns built thousands of years ago being destoried by islamist rockets is israeli technology and israeli soliders risking their life to protect all of us. So weather israeli jews fully see me as an Arab or not, I can guarantee you they will 1. Not treat me differently to how they treat themselves. 2. Risk their own life to protect my home, my small children and my elderly parents. You need to understand that 99% of the media you are seeing online is either Qatari propaganda or American propaganda. On the ground, day to day, the reality is very different. 99% of minorities including Muslim beduins in israel, support Israel. And are as much part of israeli society as jewish.
@@tamhiker1 I misunderstood your last response. Those in the west bank are living horrifically. If you want to blame Israel for that then there really isn't much to discuss. I'll just point out that I don't know what Israel could do in light of the fact that the only goal of the "Palestinians" since 48 (and really, even before that) has been to rid the entire region of Jews. They have been pretty clear about that in words and in action. So what can Isreal possibly do? And by the way, my original comment was to yours about Israelis seeing the OP as an Arab and the implication that he was somehow subordinate. Its still a croc.
@@tamhiker1 I don't mean this to be condescending but is awareness of this conflict fairly new to you? The Pals have rejected two state solutions over and over again. As mentioned before, their goal is to rid the region of the Jews. Even when given the ability to govern themselves (there hasn't been a Jew in Gaza since 2006)....well, you saw the results in Gaza. They took the billions they received in foreign aid and instead of growing their economy and building infrastructure, they built terror tunnels and terrorists. The reason they live the way they do is twofold. 1. They are a certain security risk for Israel. If you can't see that then you are willfully ignoring reality. 2. Their ability to get responsible leadership in place has never come to fruition; beginning with Arafat and down through the years. "There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us" - Golda Meir. Hasn't happened yet.
Sam, you don’t have nearly enough exposure. Your words need to be heard by hundreds of millions, not tens of thousands.
Not sure if this is a sarcastic slight but is funny if it is
@@andrewm4767it's not
@andrewm4767 what's sarcastic here? I can only see your comment with undertone.
@@peterhel1077 I’m sure every Zionist on earth is aware of Sam Harris- let’s not try and add anymore followers
@@LeoDeBrowne He might of lost all credibility and audience in the eyes of all conspiracy theorists who believe facebook posts and not medical professionals. It's only good thing they have their tin foil hat gatherings elsewhere.
thank you for not shying away from this
Come on now. He's never gonna miss an opportunity to air his Islamaphobia
It’s really creepy how what Sam says at the end makes me think of The Terminator. Here’s Kyle Reese describing the motivation of the Terminator to Sarah Connor: “It can’t be bargained with, it can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop - EVER - until you are dead.”
Replace “you are” with “Israel is” and voilà, we have a perfect analogy. Is Hamas a Terminator? Is the Terminator Hamas? Either way, Reese’s description of the four key factors of the Terminator’s motivation - (1) it can’t be bargained with, (2) it can’t be reasoned with, (3) it has neither pity, remorse, nor fear, and (4) it won’t stop until [Israel] is dead - are as true for Hamas as they are for a fictional remorseless killing machine.
Remember: Factors don’t care about your feelings.
Replace "It" with "Israel", and "you are" with "all Palestinians". There, fixed it for ya.
@@paulbuschman8318Bulldust
@@paulbuschman8318 20% of Israeli citizens are non-Jewish, mostly Arabs. They serve in government and all other parts of society. 0% of Gaza residents are Jewish. Now explain, how does your version fix it?
Solo Sam Harris podcasts are always the best. Keep up the amazing work Sam 🔥.
@@KnowledgeSeeker-wi9sw Not at all the reason why. It’s because I can hear his whole thought process in as much detail as possible.
So fire! lol
"Solo Sam Harris podcasts are always the best." Not on this topic. The only people we've heard from so far on Making Sense are those who share his views. It just makes me wonder why Sam can't find an expert with a different perspective to debate with on this topic.
@@KnowledgeSeeker-wi9sw what specifically did he say you disagree with?
Cragjones, you'll never get a cogent answer, let alone a specific, from bankrupt trolls like "KnowledgeSeeker."
Always refreshing to listen to Sam, we live in a world that we have made so much progress and many people still missing critical thinking.
Thank you.
Sam is a World Champion Pseudo intellectual.
Sammy The Pseudo Harris.
@@CP-nl2zbyou have 100+ comments on this channel, I assume they are all of the same character, you cannot be a real person.
Right. So hearing someone try to justify offing younglings as not evil in the first 10 mins of his video is refreshing to you?
@@CP-nl2zbpersonal attack with no actual commentary on the content. Is that really what you want to go with?
@@donnmckee4973is that what you heard? Because that's not really what he said.
Im in love with your brain. So grateful for this Podcast..... Thank you Sam Harris. A BRILLIANT honest, genuine Mentch
I know what you say about jihadists is not propaganda. How? Because I once was a religious fundamentalist. Fortunately my religion was anti war. But i longed to be a martyr as my one sure way of making it to paradise. I know how dangerous fundamentalist reigion is, let alone a violent one.
Fundamentalism is a Christian concept. There's a similar concept in islam but it is called Salafist Forgive me but ... If you were a to fundamentalist Christian, I am struggling to think of which denomination is anti-war. That's not a common feature in Christianity. Exception: Quakers.
I know no other religion that has any equivalent to fundamentalism.
@@RobespierreThePoof Islam and Christianity are not the only two religions in the world. Also, fundamentalism (small f) is not necessarily a Christian concept.
Thank you for clarifying the definition of proportionality in war. Most people don’t seem to understand this
So if there is a known terrorist in a football stadium, do Israel bomb it? What about a busy cafe, apartment block, or a hospital, or a bus... Israel is not open about how it determines each situation. There's a line somewhere, and the equation does include body count...
Sam Harris doesn't understand it either after more than 10000 children killed and wounded by israel.
Anything to feel better about the 28,000 dead and 2,000,000 starving am I right? What about the IDF blowing up unoccupied UN built schools? The IDF destroying all Universities in Gaza. Completely leveling the North (literally every structure). What about the IDF shooting tank rounds at press in Lebanon killing 1 (caught on camera btw). The Numerous counts of IDF shooting innocent Palestinians simply trying to walk to the safe zones while holding white flags? Sam is a well spoken cleric who sits in his Ivory tower to speak sweet truths of nothingness in your ear. Nothing more.
Yeah it’s pretty good!
Clarification is when you get new information.
Yet this seems to be your position all along and Harris didn't change a thing
Never seen such complete, fact-based, dispassionate and crystal-clear comments on the subject. Thank you.
“In general, we are not talking about people who are part of the reality-based community.”
One day, I hope to be capable of half such diplomatic fluency when pointing out backward, iron-age religious zealotry.
Although I agree, note that "the reality-based community" is a term from Jonathan Rauch's book which Sam discussed with him in the last podcast.
that would be the 3 man made religions in that area.
Sam is so far from reality it's crazy. But he's right that it's a clash of civilizations. The west is sinking fast as the east rises. That's reality. And it's a reality that beginning to steamroll due to the total incompetence of western leadership...
Sam is so far from reality it's crazy. But he's correct in calling the situation a clash of civilizations.
The west Is sinking fast as the east rises. It's beginning to steamroll due to the incompetence of western leadership
This needs to be a Netflix special
Thank you Sam. An excellent program as always. I'm so glad you're speaking out on this problem again, the world needs as may sane voices as possible to make these points clear.
A very disappointing perspective. He has swallowed Israeli propaganda whole. So sad.
He ain't that sane if he's using iraq as a comparisson.
Does he knows bosnia was a thing?
@@geralyned9530nah, did you even watch the video?
As an Ex muslim atheist from iraq, I stand with Israel.
@Alexx481 I applaud people like you. What makes you different from the majority of Moslems?
As an ex muslim from Iraq, I also stand with israel too, most people don't understand how islamists and jihadists think because they haven't talked to them, as someone who lived in the Middle East, it amazes me how sam knows exactly how jihadists think accurately, as if he lives in a Muslim majority country
Thank you Sam for being a voice of reason!
As a Persian American, thank you for mentioning Iranian women. I feel sad and helpless for the people of Iran, and also the world really. Freedom and peace and compassion. Too much to ask?
Thank you, Sam Harris. I understand JIHAD like never before. I never made the fanatical relationship to death before this sharing. You are a true voice of reason
Thank god for people like Sam who is the voice of reason in this age of sea of lies...
thank you for being you Sam Harris.
Gosh dang. I have been writing a sort of sloppy, disorganized dissertation for “fun” (for myself) since Oct. 7th. I’ve combed obsessively through articles and all manner of resources. It’s like 15 pages long and this absolute treasure of a podcast says everything I’ve written but in a succinct, articulate way. Thank you for putting this out there. The misinformation that has been spread and that is spreading about this topic isn’t just unfortunate, but potentially deadly. What’s gone on on U.S. campuses is pure lunacy.
I had to send this to a few people. Man, what a bizarre world we live in now.
And Sam isn't inherently biased. He presents facts in an attempt to educate those willing to listen.
Strange times!
@@LindaLoma-v2k Unfortunately, his perspective is censored by the media. He hasn't gone to Palestine to find out for himself the truth.
@@LindaLoma-v2k And you have no arguments against him
@@LindaLoma-v2k I don’t know if ai agree that he’s not inherently biased. He is a Jew after all. I think he does a good job of staying consistent to his intellectual standards despite innate bias.
A shining gem of morality on the left. This is needed. Most pro-Israel sources are unfortunately «right wing» and outright dismissed by so many. This is obviously apolitical and calmly conveyed. Thank you, as allways, for being reasonable and reliable on these issues.
Jewish supremacists from left and right, regardless of where they were born, are always ready to defend the diaspora.
😂
Nah. He's not left. More of a centrist. Check out Chris Hedges for a real left take
Thank you once again Sam Harris
For what being an apologist tool to justify Israeli atrocities?
@@jacksonrauch9429stay morally confused.
Equating Palestinian rights with Islamism is idiotic. I expected better.
Well put!
Yeah, I like sam harris’s content but he is so irrational about this topic that it’s laughable. This whole podcast is full of so many logical fallacies omg. It is so surprising for someone like sam harris, who portrays as an “intellectual” hasn’t given this topic a real honest inquiry.
I had this pop up in my feed and I’m really glad I clicked on it.
It's an understatement to say that Sam is saying the obvious. But don't tell this to Al Jazeera or Hamas
Or the majority of the international community condemning Israeli actions?
yet he ignores the atrocities comitted by the IDF labelling them "mistakes and poor judgement" and that war crimes will "eventually" happen..they have already happened.
@@inbox0000Can you say one thing that your community did wrong? It is shocking that you people have never own up to anything. Nothing is your fault. The rest of the world is ALWAYS at fault.
Any culture that is lacking in self-awareness self-reflection and self-criticism cannot prosper.
@@inbox0000 The key difference is that mistakes and poor judgement are inevitable, even with the best of intention, whereas the systematic and deliberate targeting of non-combatants, or pursuit of jihad/martyrdom are intrinsically detrimental.
There will always be isolated rogue actors (when there is sufficient tension as with this situation) and humans always make occasional mistakes and in war, that can have terrible consequences. To see the difference, consider Sam's point at the end about what the world would look like if each group had total power. If Hamas had total power, automatic genocide and/or enslavement of all Israelis.... Israel essentially has total military power, yet less than 1pc of Palestinians are dead in 6 months of war.
It's not obvious at all. Why would you say that. This perspective has been buried by a deluge of disinformation and propaganda coming from the Iran-Hamas axis.
And even without that nonsense, some of these details still wouldn't be obvious to people who do not know the history or follow the conduct relatively carefully.
A drink of ice water in the desert.
Very well thought out, informed and hard-hitting narrative. The 5 points perfectly illustrate the issues facing not just the mid-east, but the world at large. It's a battle between civilized societies and the death cults.
Dear Sam, Thanks for this clarity. Clarity has to have power, if so, yours is the clearest one of all clarity. I would just hope, you will act with the same clarity. Action by folks like you is needed, it's high time. Thanks again. ❤
Killing innocent children should never be ok, on either side.
Did you listen to the bit about intention? If you intentionally drove your car into a child vs you swerved a child and hit another child are very different acts. You're over simplifying the issue, as if no child is harmed by stopping the war, children will continue to die, intentionally, at the hands of hamas
clearly, this podcast went over your head.
Thats right the difference is that in israel we dont think its ok while the other side believe its a sacrifice for just cause
Deaths are tragic
But we don’t always get old fashioned Hollywood endings
where the hero talks the bad guy out of dropping the baby
off the terrace and then the bad guys slips off and plunges
to his death .
In reality the bad guy is about to throw 10 babies one at a time but though he is shot and dying he manages to throw one off.
@@HecticGlennthe irony is that analogy completely oversimplifies Israel’s past actions, present actions and, most importantly, indiscriminate killing of anybody in Palestine.
Thanks for being a voice of logic and reason.
Best explanation yet. Keep up the good work.
How many data points would it take to make this man change his mind?
Ive been listening to him spout the same arguments since this began and it no longer washes. Yes i have a lot of respect for his stance against Jihadiism, but no i dont understand his refusal to reassess how Israel has behaved since their war on Gazans - not Gaza, not Hamas, but Gazans - began
Israel has a department of justice. in it there's an international law department. every army opperation has to be approved. IDF will defend Israel
This sounds so convincing to me. I have long noticed that non-fundamentalists (such as I used to be) mostly seem incapable of understanding the danger of fundamentalist mentalities. This is the most worrying aspect of the present situation.
What rights does a home invader have when trespassing.
What rights does a thief have to stolen goods.
What rights does a colonizer have to defend colonized land.
What right does the false state have to self defense.
FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸
You are ignoring reality. But that's part of being a Jihadist
That's why Israel is destroying Hamas . Jews build Jerusalem and have been living there for the past 3 thousand years. The Muslim caliphate invaded Jerusalem in the 7th century
@@jackna9185 try being honest with yourself and attempt to answer the question. (If only in your own mind)
@@SandNigah Israel is not colonized land.
@@bobterry99 I’d love to agree with you, but it’s already designated as a “settler-colonial” state by The UN 🇺🇳
I don’t always agree with Sam Harris, but this is brilliant. Verbal and moral clarity.
It’d be interesting for Sam to discuss how, perhaps, many people can’t fully comprehend the threat of Jihad because they can’t allow in the heart of darkness, the base, bloodthirsty, demonic, savage, nihilistic psychological realms inhabited by Jihadists, can’t understand that “death cult” actually means death cult and isn’t some phrase meant to shock or boost a point. As Bob Dylan said, “See life from a fair garden and everything looks cheerful. Climb to a higher plateau and you'll see plunder and murder.” Does some portion of general anti-war sentiment come from an inability to have “negative capability”, to hold war and its horrors as sometimes inevitable, that practicing non-violence or being nice or fair cannot overcome real evils (I once believed like this)? Life has much light and so much beauty, yes. But there’s no doubt a shadow side, which’s mostly been Integrated and expressed by the poet, artist, or mystic, who fully accept angels AND demons without judgement. In order to really understand the reality Sam’s describing, is it necessary, on some level, to personally encounter some of the uncontrollable chaotic violent side, that heart of darkness within us all? Does this account for why people, notoriously afraid to feel things deeply, can’t wrap their mind properly around the phenomena of Jihad, and instead cling to a more superficial and palatable reading of currents events?
IMHO and with a background in child psychology (studies), teaching, professional astrology leading to karmic astrology and then onto Buddhism, my answer to you is "yes," it is necessary to "shine light on" our Shadow side, that is, what we do not want to face about ourselves (we also have in our Shadow good things, but this is not the discussion here). I quote Jung : "When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." This happens on an individual level and a collective level and because we live in the world of duality, there is good and evil and most of us are somewhere on this linear spectrum. I dare not write more here, but psychology, Jung and Jungian thought, art (poetry, writing, painting etc ), astrology (karmic astrology particularly), mysticism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Hermeticism etc... show the way. I wrote about a linear spectrum, but our spiritual evolution is spiral (just to complicate things). Would love to write more and what you have written is absolutely true. @PhenomenalWorld
You just basically described me before 10/7 so I'm inclined to answer all of this with a 'yes.' Naivety. But 10/7 - and the immediate reaction from people whom I thought were just like me - changed me. Big time. Rose-colored glasses are off for me and I've spent the better part of 3 months examining and firming up my moral red lines. I wasn't even aware I had them. But I think there's a lot of people out there who are going through the same process, silently. Sam's courage to speak up here when mostly everyone is afraid to is very admirable.
@@JuliaGooliaOnGoogle There is another expression that might give you comfort : "The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable". I enjoyed reading you because that is exactly what happened to me to and my own transformation because of this is far from over.
Jihad happens, I gross behavior, but it happens when European jews invade Arab land.
@@C.E.Thomas1952 you wrote more than enough
Moral clarity is the scarcest of all virtues in the West.
In the East, they have a crystal moral clarity albeit the morality they are clear about is twisted, deranged subversive and absurd, but clear nevertheless. The West in the main is morally ambiguous specially on the left and thanks to that new craze of DEI and cultural relativism is getting worse. @sandra_rds
He's lacking a bit if he's comparing iraq and afghanistan to gaza. Specially iraq.
Thank you as always. Making sense and staying consistent and strong in the face of these horrible claims.
Voice of Sam is very comforting. ❤
Sam is an intellectually honest genius!
Sam, get out there and debate someone about these ‘myths'. I think you'll find that you've been talking to yourself too much.
I agree, it seems like he is doing these monologues to avoid getting criticized. I wish he could bring on some balanced experts like Thomas Friedman or Ian Bremmer
Much agree
Or you're talking your self too much
Thank you being a leader in logic who's not afraid to talk about actual truth no matter the topic.
You sound like a groupie. What's his greatest hit for you?
Absolutely! Not sure about his greatest hit, perhaps his book on free will.
Sam Harris is a tool. Do you really fall for his faulty arguments? I would crush him in a debate, wouldn’t you?
You sneer at Daniel, JMC5335, while offering nothing of substance yourself.
@mikescott5624 Daniel agreed with my point.
I am not in control of your perception
I am willing to engage with any points made by Harris in the video.
I have read several of your books and always found them, not only making sense but also essential to forming a balanced opinion on the topics addressed by the books. I would love to join and be able to follow all your content, but as an Age Pensioner unfortunately cannot afford the monthly subscription fee.
Israel is not intentionally trying to commit genocide but does not really care if their military repeatedly does commit acts that are consistent with it. Does Sam sincerely believe that Israel is taking measured and justifiable military actions in Gaza under a Netanyahu government? That position is pathetically glib
Nope.
Why does intent even matter if the act occurs?
@@MelbourneMeMe is that a serious question?
@@crodo123 Sure...
Netanyahu and his messianic fascist friends are the real problem. Many Israelis, especially those who volunteer to protect their people, have high moral standards. That's why measures are taken. That's why Yahya Sinwar was treated by Israeli doctors, who could have just killed him Some say, should have when they had the chance and he was under their scalpel. Israelis were raised on ethical values which the Netanyahu dictatorship has eroded for nearly 20 years. He is the real scourge. And his crazy wife Sarah.
" reciprocal savagery"....such a great phrase to illustrate the inanity of the term "proportional response"..
Wow Sam. I leave listening to you not feeling polarised hate against any race, nationality creed or religion but better informed on human frailty. Why we are, and probably always will be, work in progress. Keep this work up my brother.
Are you kidding me? This is the most hateful rant I have heard for years.
@@rasmussonderriis Accurately describing the consequences of radical jihadism will always sound hateful for sure.
I say this as 13-year long fan of Sam. I can't say I follow his logic 10 minutes in. Sensible critics of the Israeli government's actions wouldn't argue that Israel should be pacifist, nor would they support Hamas views. Just like we can acknowledge that Israel needs a strong military spine to stabilise it against very real aggressors in the region (not just Hamas), we can also acknowledge that Hamas was not born in a vacuum, despite islamic texts which can be interpreted to encourage aggression - they are as bad as they are in large part due to the systemic encroachment and curtailing of rights over many years. No I am not victim-blaming. Yes Hamas are terrorists, yes they have taken hostages, and killed and tortured innocents.
Historical causes aside, is what Israel is doing really the way? Collateral damage is one thing, but the scale of the damage being inflicted here is orders of magnitude disproportionate. We want to see the barbarians of Oct 7th brought to justice, but can we really say that Israel's govt has no choice but to do this for reasons of self-defence?
Given the scale of the deaths, and destruction - can we really say what the Israeli govt has done, is truly better than if they had made the 'pacifist' decision and used it's forces only for defence?
Some will see this comment as a personal attack on Sam (whom I consider a hero) or on Israelis or Jews. I understand why Israel has done what they've done - but that doesn't mean we should agree or support their decision - and let's not get into extremist ideologies, as there's plenty of footage online of IDF soldiers relishing in the killing and torture of Palestinian people, as well as quotes from Israeli government staff with highly dangerous rhetoric. This is a mess - and wholesale carnage is not the appropriate response and Israel could have taken a more humane patch, even in the face of Hamas' savagery.
Why doesnt Sam debate Norman Finkelstein?
Because he would be destroyed by Finkelstein
Ahh, no, Finkelstein is a bargain rate thinkerr @@BroodallyHonest
@@mathish1477 The only thing Harris is good at is making religion look ridiculous. But, somewhere along the way, he developed a vendetta against Islam and Muslims, in particular. He's extremely biased.
@@BroodallyHonest or, he's just right and you don't like it.
@@mathish1477 No, he's a Jew who's got a soft spot for his heritage. He's blind to the atrocities of his own people
Such clarity!
Sam seems to be the ONLY sane outspoken public figure, a courageous voice of reason in the middle of a complete world madness. I wish there were more like him but we are stuck with corrupt idiotic weak people in the positions of power.
Look up Douglas Murray.
@@VesnaVK He is good too but he is more biased and less rational in my opinion
Thank you for articulating a critically important perspective that many in the west or so called global south fail or refuse to acknowledge. As someone who lives in Israel, yours is an important voice that we often fail to effectively express. We too have a small minority of crazies who tend to be loud, beyond the pale and are often seen, incorrectly as representing the majority of Israelis.
He simply ignores the ICJ ruling.
A ruling that denied South Africa's request to call a cease fire on account of an alleged gen0cide...
@@SteveTaylor-x9w according to the wording of the ICJ, I would be impossible for Israel to comply with the rulling WITHOUT a ceasefire. NIce try. Anything else?......
@@fightforthemic9081 Did you read the ruling?
The court ordered Israel to take actions to prevent acts of gen0cide. It did not rule that gen0cide was happening, and again, it did not call for a ceasefire or suggest that Israel must stop the war to prevent gen0cide.
Anything else? Yeah, the court called for H'mas to release the hostages.
@@SteveTaylor-x9w haha! I love the fact that you took the time to ctrl-c ctrl-p from the ICJ ruling, but still felt the need to change the "O" in genocide to a Zero.
@@fightforthemic9081 It's my experience with some of _my_ comments that if I don't substitute the "0" the comment gets deleted.
It's sad to see Sam argue a straw man. The idea that any scrutiny of Israel against the civilian population of Palestine is saying don't go after hamas is to stupid for him to actually believe.
Some people ARE saying that for one thing. Or blaming Israel for the conflict. Or constantly clutching pearls over civilian casualties.
They seem to forget what war is. And also forget that Israel already does more to limit civilian casualties than any other military on earth.
Some much needed sanity and moral clarity. Thanks!
Moral clarity? Good god! Sam has become so blinkered on this issue I barely recognise the man who I have grown to respect so much over the years.
His(well placed) hatred of Islam has blinded him so much that he's arguing from such a one sided and morally dubious stand point
8:52 - 𝗚𝗲𝗻𝗼𝗰𝗶𝗱𝗲: ‘the deliberate 𝗸𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗴 of a 𝗹𝗮𝗿𝗴𝗲 𝗻𝘂𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿 of people from a particular 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗻𝗶𝗰 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗽 with the aim of 𝗱𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴 that nation or group.’
𝟮𝟱,𝟬𝟬𝟬 Palestinians killed in 4 months, mass displacement, perceived collective punishment that has made the return of Gazans to their homeland 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗯𝗹𝗲.
Meanwhile, Israeli settlements persist in the West Bank.
The designation of a '𝗚𝗲𝗻𝗼𝗰𝗶𝗱𝗲' label is suggested to only occur when 𝗮𝗹𝗹 disputed land is under Israeli ownership.
Those currently asserting claims of genocide foresee this as the most likely outcome. Is it really fair to hold them accountable for harbouring such concerns?
Also, the 250K-2M growth was due not just to births, but by 𝗿𝗲𝗳𝘂𝗴𝗲𝗲𝘀 also.
“And they teach their children that the highest thing they can aspire to is to kill themselves by killing Jews. And these are the people the Israelis are supposed to negotiate with?” - Pat Condell, _Peace In The Middle East_ [03:14]
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We get it - you want to erode the meaning of the word ‘genocide’ because the Jews really did suffer one
Most of the fresh water in Gaza and all of the water in the West Bank is supplied by Israel. If Israel reduced the flow of water to a trickle, life by millions of Palestinians would become unbearable. Israel doesn't even do that, let alone genocide.
I find it kind of funny when a guy who likes to talk about moral all day legitimises the murder of children
While I’ve always enjoyed listening to Sam on a number of topics, I find that, despite his claims of objectivity, he’s focused on Hamas rather than the deeper causes of conflict initiated by Israel’s continuing annexation of Palestinian land and the displacement of its people.
He’s not even doing the bare minimum to steel man opposing arguments, instead releasing monologues on the topic to speak uninterrupted
It would be instrumental to see a debate between Sam Harris and someone with authority on the subject matter such as Israeli historian, Ilan Pape speak on the issue.
Still doesn’t justify the psychopathic behaviour we see from Hamas and the Palestinian civilians who support and often take part in atrocities with Hamas. He addressed this with the comparison of societies like Tibet. They have been displaced and mistreated by China for decades. They have never committed mass murder or rape against the Chinese like the Palestinians have.
_ have been displaced and mistreated by China for decades. They have never committed mass murder or rape against the Chinese like the Palestinians have._
Should they? Why haven't they? Has pacifism 'fixed' their situation?
You can be pro Palestinian people and anti Hamas
You shouldn't be.
But you can.
The most candid, clear discussion of this nightmarish situation.
enjoying this one. thanks for putting things into perspective
@sandra_rdsThanks for your post. It serves as the perfect illustration of what it looks like when ignorant or deceitful people start and end the history of the entire conflict on 10/07/23.
@sandra_rds that leaves you with at least 75 more years worth of history to catch up on.
27:15 “jihadists are very clever”. You’re right and that’s true, it’s just so hard to not laugh at calling someone who’s willing to destroy themself clever. 🤣
But that's the whole point, the weakness of democracies and the west, the weakness of reasonable people when faced with a true death cult.
The jihadists have already demonstrated that they are more intelligent than the comfortable Westerners who swallowed the slogan with the religion of peace, swallowed the hatred for the Jews and ended up executing what the jihadists dictate to them.
If you believe that the IDF is trying to eradicate Hamas while minimizing civilian loss, you are delusional. Sam refuses to acknowledge that the hatred in the middle east goes both ways and keeps portraying Israel as a completely rational, peace-seeking actor. Extremely lobsided take, as always the case with Sam on Israel.
Delusional? The only obstacle in the way of the IDF achieving its goal of destroying H'mas is pressure from the international community to make peace due to outrage over civilian casualties.
IDF does much more than Hamas to avoid civilian casualties. Hamas wants civilian casualties, while Israel does not.
@@jedwards1792 is that why they were singing that they would commit genocide against all Palestinians?
Go to Israel. Speak to Israelis. You are delusional.
If the IDF was not trying to minimise civilian losses, the death toll would be much higher by now.
Sam is a true genius- best line was that pacifism wouldn't have worked against Nazi Germany- or in Gaza today..
Unfortunately Sam has failed to realize it is Israel that has acted, and continues to act, like Nazis.
hey, I'm commenting from inside Iran, ask me anything ... ?!!!
A few questions:
1. Does the Iranian population in general support israel? I see a lot of support from Persians outside of Iran but I'm not sure if that represents Iranians within Iran.
2. It seems like there's a people's uprising against the Islamic regime. Do you think they will succeed in overturning the government and putting another system in place?
3. Are you allowed unfiltered internet access there?
@@yehudagreenfield Hey, all the big questions. HAHA
- I'd say there is a huge support from inside Iran as well. However, you can't find people publicly expressing it for many reasons. The biggest one is the oppressive regime in Iran which bans all of that. I'm one of the supporters BTW, hope the war ends soon in favour of innocent people on both sides. If you read the history of relationships before the Islamic revolution, you will find out why there is a huge tie between Persians and Jews. and how the revolution ruined everything...
- True, there have been movements inside Iran against the autocracy for decades. I'm certain that big change will happen one day, the new generations are far more informed, educated and smarter. They give me the hope of a better future for Iran and the region. - The internet is heavily filtered, I'm using a VPN system providing me with an Australian IP so I can access social media etc.
Hope that info helps
Stay safe
@@majidjamili2157stay safe. Hope
You‘ll get rid of your oppressors.
@@domsnow6418 thanks mate, we are pushing ... :) !
perfectly said Sam. this is a must listen
Really? Nothing in this podcast you aren’t sure about or disagree with? How brainwashed are you?
Israel is a criminal state imposed by the British and later aided by USA. It does does not have legitimacy just because they have a holy book that says God gave the land to the jews. Sam is embarrassing and has become a Jewish apologetic. Utterly disgusting.
well, when it comes to death cults, giving them what they want sounds like a win win. "Imagine there's no heaven, and no religion too"
Unfortunately they all want to take as many infidels as possible with them to their non existing heavens
all man made religions are death cults for people afraid to die
I really hope your not serious? Giving them what they want is the worst thing we or anyone could do. It does not satiate it only encourages far worse behavior. I can give you plenty of examples. The biggest one is that Palestinians have been offered a state of their own at least five times and not only did they reject those offers but every single attempt at negotiations resulted in an attack on Israel. This makes complete sense when you understand the Islamist/Jihadist Mindset. They believe if you can be forced to the bargaining table that you can be defeated and they use things like cease fires and negotiation only to get respite and get back on their feet so they can attack again and also to judge what type of effect said attacks are having. Neither Hamas, Islamic Jihard, PLO or any other group give a damn about Palestinian civillians a bit they only care about how they can be used to attack Israel and so far the majority of those Palestinians see just fine with that.( Though there are also many who want Israel to get rid of Hamas for them they are simply to afraid to actually say so publlically.
Compare and contrast - The word עוֹלֵל, ʿôlēl which means 'Babe, infant, little one, a suckling' occurs 21 King James Bible Verses Of these verses:
“Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”
-Psalm 137:9
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
-1 Samuel 15:3
“Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.”
-Jeremiah 6:11
“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”
-Hosea 13:16
The other verses are not much different. Infact it is always in association with violence. Indeed these verses are the reason why in the Crusades the sense of pious rejoicing at massacre does not appear to be the product of later theologizing; it is also found, in the account of the eye-witness Raymond of Aguilers:
“in the Temple and porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies.” In fact, Raymond continues, “This day, I say, will be famous in all future ages, for it turned our labours and sorrows into joy and exultation; this day, I say, marks the justification of all Christianity, the humiliation of paganism, and the renewal of our faith.”
This is the polar opposite in the Quran in Surah Al-Tanwir, literally "The Englightenining" Surah, Aya 8-9, we have the death of a newborn is mentioned amongst the penultimate signs of the end of times, emphasizing the gravity of such an action. That child, now resurrected, is asked for what wrong doing was she murdered. This is to emphasize that she had done nothing wrong, for she had done nothing wrong and this is the day of retribution where those who omitted the evil are to be punished.
This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190, which exhorts to fight unbelievers and not be "Aggressors", in the commentary of what it means to be aggressors, this was stated Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah):
It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, "The Prophet forbade killing women and children."
بابتداء القتال أو بقتال من نهيتم عن قتاله من النساء والشيوخ والصبيان والذين بينكم وبينهم عهد أو بالمثلة أو بالمفاجأة من غير دع
"To kill those whom you were forbidden to from women, elderly, children and those whom betwixt you is a treaty or custom or by surprise or without cause"
-Tafsir Al-Zamakshari of the meaning of Aggressors in the Aya
The modifiable testaments testament genocide on the other hand.Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190 limits war to those who fight against Muslims, prohibits transgression, and implies respect for human dignity and life Indeed it is what precedes the famous "sword verse", always cited out of context.
God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.
No heaven and no religion is called Soviet Union. Wasn't exactly an utopia.
I was very confused when I first began reading about the pro-Palestine movement along with the Israel perpetrator narrative, and ultimately what settled it for me was the historical polling statistics of Gazans. This is the clearest, most logically coherent commentary on the Israel-Hamas war that I've heard to date. Thank you Sam Harris.
OMG such a Sam W! Sam Harris is so objective and clear minded. Such a unique voice.
This whole video does by no means serve the singular purpose of delegitimizing the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza and legitimize the actions of the Israeli military.
Israel is just misunderstood and mistreated by the rest of the word! Very unfair!
Sam is so objective and unbiased.
Your assertion of being "objective and clear-minded" is somewhat amusing to me. Instead of truly embodying objectivity, this viewpoint falls short in capturing the subtleties essential for a comprehensive understanding. It appears to oversimplify the conflict into a stark black-and-white portrayal, overlooking the crucial exploration of diverse angles and perspectives.
Just once I’d like to hear Sam steelman the opposing arguments of this issue.
I totally agree regarding jihadism and Hamas, but the common Palestinian citizen is not ‘solely concerned with paradise’, rather with the life they are living today. There is no doubt they have been oppressed, disenfranchised and demoralized for generations, and the impotence to change that status quo must drive a hopeless frustration that I don’t think I can even imagine.
What would be an appropriate response, and how could they possibly achieve it when the international community is seemingly on the side of their oppressors?
I’ll wager that most people there, as everywhere, desire to work and live and raise their families in peace, but find themselves trapped between the emasculating dominance of Israel and the jihadists who would manipulate their grievances to serve their own ends.
Hamas and Israel both have culpability in the turmoil and in the deaths of so many ordinary people.
As Israeli - i agree :
Palestinians are also victims of the hamas and are afraid of their barbaric acts
Sam, the issue that some of us here in the U.K. have with the conflict in Gaza, is the disproportionate loss of life. Personally, I think that Israel missed a global opportunity to retain the moral high ground. There has to be an alternative to the violence that we’re seeing now. Violence only begets more violence.
Sam literally explains this. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO VIOLENCE AGAINST THE VILE BEINGS THAT MAKE UP HAMAS. Why is that so hard to understand?
@@AgtsmirnoffViolence only begets more violence. The only thing that Israel’s achieved with this reaction, is the certainty of a perpetual war with Palestine. As the adults in the room, as the so-called decent society, why doesn’t Israel see this? Or maybe they do and they just want retribution for what happened on 7th October?
@@shaunmcgee4204 What a load of nonsense. Violence does not only beget more violence. There are so many examples of violence begetting good things like peace and justice. If a man comes into your home, beats you to within an inch of your life and says he's going to come back to finish the job, are you going to "take the moral high ground" and eschew violence. Of course not: you're going to get the police to use the state's monopoly on violence to have this guy locked up so he doesn't kill you.
@@hpesoj00Well Cupcake, in this particular instance, I can guarantee you that Israel’s current retribution policy isn’t going to bring about a lasting peace in the region.
@@shaunmcgee4204 Then make that argument without reasoning that violence is never the best response. Cupcake.
4:50 Pacifism didn't work in India. Subhash Chandra Bose play major role in India's independence
Excellent; I have forwarded this on to those who question Israel's defense of her people.
Me too! So many people are questioning Israels defense and yet not questioning why Hamas hasn't agreed to stop attacking Israel and give back the hostages to end this war. It's insane what is going on here. Hamas has not only brainwashed their own people but they have also brainwashed people all over the world.
The sheer number of lunatics demonstrating in London is so scary.
Pacifism didn't work for the Palestinians either.
Maybe they should try? Which government have they NOT tried to overthrow?
@@WorshipinIdolsgood response, doesn’t neglect or nullify the original problem though, that Israel is and will always be an occupation.
@@fadidabban no, Israel is not legally an occupying power. All territory west of the Jordan River is lawfully part of Israel. Israel is the lawful sovereign inheritor of the British Mandate from 1948. Aka sovereign succession. Israel has graciously allowed the creation of a Palestinian Self-governing autonomous region on its own territory. Gaza on the other hand has been fully independent and sovereign since 2005, and under the rule of Hamas since 2007.
Bullshit israel offered peace and two state solutions multiple times
. Can you explain who lived in israel before Palestines (muslims arabs) immigrated there from the middle east. You dont need to auctuly. jews lived there. So if jews lived there and the plaestines came and took that lands jews have every right to take it back
God Bless Sam Harris! :)
It is existential for Israel, it existential for women and all those who genuinely love them. Thank you. It is time we wake up and evolve beyond ideology of death as legit. If religion is not making your life more beautiful and prosperous I say it has to be let go, because the whole purpose of spirituality is to make life more beautiful not vice versa
The trouble with most wannabe religious people no matter what confession is that they are self-righteous and sanctimonious hypocrites. They honor their God with their lips, but inside their hearts they are ugly, hatedriven and sanctimonious beasts. A breed of vipers.
For years, I have listened to reports of Israeli soldiers shooting Palestinian People at the border. I have listened to reports of Israeli families moving into Palestinian homes while the owners were at work and/or at school. While Jeresulum was intended to remain neutral and the borders of Israel were clearly delineated and agreed upon, as per the NATO plan, it appears Israel had differing plans. Seemingly, since 1943-45 Israel has consistently sought to expand its border as well as move Israeli people into Jerusalem.and across borderlines. i can think of no better way to awaken a death cult.
They were sleeping?
It was never asleep
You really need to read a history book. Or look for Benny Morris interviews. Moving into Pals homes while the owners were at work or school? You are insane if you believed that. Also, Yerushalayim - Hebrew name, Hebrew city. Whoever said it was supposed to be neutral? And when did ANY Pally leader agree to a partition? Never. Because they always wanted everything, while Israel was willing to make concessions again and again and again. But Islam has a hunger nothing will feed, other than death and more death and more death. And oh yeah, marrying 6 year olds and consummating said marriage when they're 9. Disgusting Profit Mohammed.
Israel will defend itself
Sam speaks the truth everyone else is afraid to admit
This is just Sam’s opinion so don’t take it as facts. Bring on Norman Finkelstein that would be interesting
Norman Finkelstein is a joke.
@@WorldifySanitynah you just don’t like him because he’s educated on the oppression of the Palestinians. There’s a reason why 1.1 billion people are protesting in 2024 pro Palestine. If you can’t see it, you’re a joke
Mostly factual and easily checked though.
I used to think that Muslims never demonstrated signs of happiness. For example, you don't typically see Muslims smile or laugh. That led me to wonder about their religion. The perception was it was more based on anger and fear than love. On October 7th I saw what truly make Muslims laugh and smile. I guess it boils down to motivation. That attitude is scary. Thank you Sam for a good summary.
Sam, you dealt an equivocation at 8:50 & I'm disappointed. "The term genocide has a clear meaning. It's the destruction or attempted destruction of a whole people." Followed by; "according to the 1948 Genocide Convention, genocide constitutes acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic or racial or religious group." The difference between those two definitions is important.
Not really... it only raises the question of whether Israel intends to commit a "partial" genocide. No, they do not.
@@akeustis it means he doesn’t understand the definition
He goes on to argue population increases counteract killing people. It's literally a tiktok meme. He seems to be saying "As long as the population increases over time, you can kill as many people as you want". Forget that for a moment. He argues the population has increased since '48 and that people have leveled these accusations at Israel before. Except we aren't talking about '48, we're talking about '2023-24. A span of about 4 months. South Africa is concerned with the present. Not only was his definition disingenuous, his argument is nothing more than a strawman. Is this intentional or does he really not understand what he's talking about? To me it appears to be deliberate obfuscation.
@@tripe2237 that’s the truth
Agreed, @@tripe2237, although I personally wouldn't go so far as to attribute intent.