@@kaliban4758 "an infinite flat plane" with what "outside" of the space we have available to us Earthlings? They wouldn't be able to answer this, but they are ignorant, and flerfers don't care about logic :D
I think the best they could come up with is that the earth is not flat but actually a dome /semi-sphere. I da not expect any logic from them nor a reevaluation of their stance in the light of new evidence or thrashing of their proofs
If you haven't seen the earth from space how can you confirm the earth is a globe. We are observing it through a concave lens , the eyeball which is also a sphere, this gives the earth a visual illusion of being a sphere.
@@kirkhamandy It is simply another direction of attack. Unless somebody knows how to debate, they can have their backside handed to them even if they know all the science. Toon and Craig are both very familiar with flerf deception tactics and are able to dismantle those in addition to flerf pseudoscience.
My favorite Flat Earther quote is “interesting” right after explaining the test and the results to prove it’s flat. Then getting the results that prove it’s a Big Ball
Here's another fun fact that will blow your mind. If you consider yourself of average intelligence, then by that definition, you are smarter than 4 billion people. So not that far fetch to find within 4 billion people, to find ones that are really really dumb. 😁
@@simonjones7884 -- You like to randomly argue with people for no reason? Where did I state anywhere in my comment about curves or water. Are you part of that lower intelligence group I was referring to?
@@simonjones7884 Well, gravity pulls water to the center of the earth. Since water is a liquid (meaning its atoms are more free to move around than those in solids) it's able to conform to the Earth's curvature, since it's being pulled to the earth.
The fact that even the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, chinese,Indians all knew that the earth wasn't flat and yet we still in our modern world have people that refuse to believe it is astonishing
@John Johnson It's because it's not actually about the shape of the earth for a lot, if not most. It's about seizing the confirmation that there's a reason that the hardship, unhappiness or genuine struggles in the reality of their lives doesn't comport to the expectation perpetuated in modern, more capitalistic leaning societies, that everyone who wants to be happy and successful will be if they work hard enough. They've found a community of people who validate and affirm them. And now they can fight back against the nefarious and nebulous 'they' because there's evidence that exposes the lies 'they' use to keep the rest down. Most Flerf adherents don't care that the arguments they make in the comments have been thoroughly debunked. They use them so that they can point to factual responses and proclaim that that response proves that they're right, people are just sheep repeating what 'they' taught you to believe.
@@allsouls5997 nope. Not one thing he has ever shared has refuted anything concerning the globe. The fact that measurement confirms the globe and globe earth maps work is all it takes to show the earth is a globe. In the meantime you can't even provide a single measurement or functioning fe map to support you. Game. Set. Match.
@@Requiem4aDr3Am If All Souls wonders about it, maybe they should buy a ring-laser gyroscope and try to find an environment where they don't notice "a fifteen degree, per hour, uh, drift." Thanks, Bob.
The frustrating thing is they will simply ignore this argument and then prattle on about something else whilst insulting you. I just wish they would open their minds a teeny bit more sometimes
They are not seeking real world solutions like you and me. They are not evidence driven, only faith driven. They believe that they can make up any shite they like, based on the crap sold to them by their priests, and believe that they have disposed of our objections, or requests for illumination of their claims. Totally different mindset.
Many of them believe that the lie about the sphere (and all of space and the universe) is used to undermine their belief in God and to undermine their belief in their own specialness as the center of Creation. They all have varying beliefs though. Flat Earth is not all one thing, there are many versions. I think most if not all believe the lie is a way to control people, though.
The answer to this biggest question is very simple, the moment you understand the flat earth system, which is that a closed system constituting of the earth and the sky cannot be created by coincidence and cannot explained based on such argument, but only by a creator. The moment you realize that they cannot control you anymore. You know where you are from and where you are going to.
@@maghribiMoorish Why would the Creator create a tiny closed system instead of an expansive, apparently infinite universe? This strikes me as a diminishment of God. What's to stop you from believing that the Earth consists not of a world with many different countries and terrains, but just your house, your town, maybe a few other towns and whichever places you've actually visited yourself? Why be so limiting? And the limits seem arbitrary. You could raise a child in a closet and convince them that nothing existed outside the closet.
I'm always amused by the oceanic horizon pics saying "Where's the curve?". Being in western Canada & the closest ocean being the Pacific, I just want to hand them a telescope (or better yet have them supply their own to minimize any chance of me interfering/ skewing the results w/ gimmicked equipment) & ask them "Show me Japan".
@@Globehoax and any adult that thinks the earth is flat meets the clinical definition of "men tally re tar ded". But bless your little heart for effort!
@@EBDavis111 To flatEarthers, I guess reality is like a video game that cant render everything all at once so it has to hide stuff off in the distance by restricting the draw distance lol Fact of the matter is, if we can see fucking Venus along the horizon; if the Earth was flat, then we should be able to see Japan from North America. Or even South America. If we look out on a clear night, we should be able to see the lights of Tokyo fairly easily. With a decent telescope, that is. Though, during the summer time, it would still be light out during the evening over there. Which raises an interesting thought...seeing dusk in Japan through a telescope during the middle of the night in Canada lol
You need a flat straight lines to read an angle from the sextant..... So thank you. Earth is flat. Something thats hard for you satanic puppits to understand. 🥴
Back in college, one of my professors was lecturing us on the curvature of planets. The example he used was Earth and once he’d explained how scientists measure the Earths curve, one of the students asked how much of the Earths curve you could see from the surface. My professor answered “easily less than 1%.”
@@williamjoseph4996 You do realize flat earth society repeated this exact experiment to prove the earth was flat... only to come to the same results, proving the earth is a globe, right? Oh you didn't know? I thought you all did research on the internet?
@@quizzy1234 Flat Earthism is an ahistorical, make-it-up-as-you-go, deny all evidence to the contrary pile of self deluding shite. Conduct a lit review? Seek peer review for their conclusions? Provide evidence for their claims, including the supposed math? Hahahahahahahahahaha... The only support these morons seek or accept comes from internet posts by the similarly afflicted.
@@williamjoseph4996 How confidently ignorant do you have to be to ridicule a repeatable an verifiable experiment, when your version of reality isn't even consistent.
@@scottd7222 I wonder how it works on a flat earth, considering that a) it is called and b)relies on GPS satellites, ensuring that you can maintain constant coverage no matter where you are.
Not sure you need a GPS device to upload stuff to the internet, but I'm sure a flat earth believer would just claim that the GPS companies are part of the conspiracy, which is why they insist on using the term GPS.
@@williamjoseph4996*”Globetards Believe Nixon called the moon”* - Setting aside the specific hardware, data encoding and transmission strategies, and EM wavelengths used, the principle is absolutely no different to calling a cell phone from a landline. What are you even trying to suggest with that remark?
My favorite one is that we've all been unknowingly covered by a large glass dome, there's no way the earth could be a sphere but humans somehow being covered by a glass dome is entirely feasible
So, is rain just condensation? It's be pretty steamy, hey!!? So, I wonder where snow comes from, as ive never seen snow in a greenhouse!! Man, the ridiculous theories of flat earthers are getting into the desperation zone!! 🤣🤣
@@samanthafairweather9186 I'm sure they'll say something along the lines of "rain and snow doesn't exist, it's all a 4D projector and invisible fans in the sky" or something lmao
@@samanthafairweather9186 The dome is very big and it touches space, where it's very cold. So water vapour condensing on the inside of the dome freezes to become ice. When the build-up of ice becomes more dense than the air under it it falls down. Depending on how big those pieces of ice are (which determines how fast they melt) they're either hail, snow or rain once they reach the ground. The greenhouse you're talking about isn't so big that it touches space so water vapour condensing on it never gets cold enough to freeze enough to become ice which is why you've never seen it snow in a greenhouse. There! No, I'm not a F.E. but I can see how they'd come up with something like that. Hell, I've just seen a man pointing a laser thermometer at the sun to measure how hot it is. "There you go guys, do your own research...the sun is only 200C". For real.
@@silverknight4886 99.99% of all 'flat-earthers' are all trolls, though and they laugh more at people believing them, so where's the humour exactly. It's actually quite bewildering that I have so much trouble getting people to believe I have a masters degree in geology but when I say I'm a flat-earther suddenly everyone, not only believes me but starts to convince me the earth is round. Trolling used to be an art form, this is just ridiculous.
" flat earthers get way more attention than they deserve " Well science apparently doesn't identify women as women and men as men according to women who think they are men and men that think they are women. Same for round earth flat earth apparently. The science is settled, or is it? Apparently it isn't.
I have even seen some videos where they have used a single frame. When you find the video and run it the earth is all over the place, convex, flat, concave........
@@brucethen " some videos where they have used a single frame. When you find the video and run it the earth is all very the place, convex, flat, concave........" , could you rephrase, please? For I do not understand whaat nyou're saying. "..used a single frame. " ---- Did you mean unedited, uncut videos? " When you find the video and run it the earth is all very the place, convex, flat, concave........" I do not understand this sentence. Please rephrase, to clarify whatt you are saying.
@macmanmanny3983 a flat earther will post a picture taken by a camera attached to a ballon. This picture will show a flat edge, if you use Google search and it provides the original youtube video that this single picture was taken from, and you then watch the video you will see the edge of the earth bend sharply down at the edges then a bit later it will be flat then a bit later it will bend up at the edges. This indicates that a fish eye lens was used to film the video, and what the flat earther has done is watch the video, and as soon as they see the edge looking flat they pause the video and take a screen shot then post it as proof of flatness. Which is clearly a lie,yet if we post a picture of curvature they scream "Fish-eye lens".
@@macmanmanny3983a single frame as in what you see when you pause the video at a specific moment. They just took a screenshot of that and used it for the video . The other sentence means that when you look at the video where they took the screenshot from, you can see that it is unstable. This means that the earth’s horizon would look flat, curved, and convex (the opposite of curved as in curved in the other direction). They just took a single screenshot of one frame where the earth looked flat instead of the other two as in the original video.
@@Theoneandonlyjeremyrenner oh ok,, THanks for elaborating.. I understand... Surely than they are just pulling a prank on the feeble-minded. For they know the earth isn't flat. What a bunch of losers.
Having been born in a seaside town, I grew up watching ships come over the horizon. First one sees the masts, funnels etc...then gradually the rest of the ship. Looking through binoculars the effect is quite obvious: the ship is traveling over a curved horizon. Also, there are highpoints at the seaside that are up to about 100 feet. Someone standing at a highpoint will see the ship before the person at the shoreline... again demonstrating the curvature of the Earth.
Visual compression is why ships disappear from the bottom first. Raising your elevation 100 feet as you said allows less compression than 6 ft therefore the effect takes longer. Not trying to upset you. Just want you to understand how the human eye works. You would like a thought experiment imagine yourself standing next to a block wall 5 miles long and your shoulder is up against it. 500 ft away there is a similar wall. You would only be able to count a certain number of blocks on the wall your shoulder is against before they all compressed into an indistinguishable blur. But on the wall 500 ft away you would be able to count blocks much further down the line. This is compression. My point being the reason ships disappear bottom first is because you're six feet off the ground with thousands of feet above you causing more compression below your eye line then above it. In the wall example the same Works side to side. Hope this helps
@@twindragon64ify That's all fine and good, but your thought experiment lacks something travelling up the walls to simulate the ship. If we compare the two situations, by describing the wall you've only described the sea, and not how compression would affect a bigger object clearly protruding from the wall. Still, I see how compression could be a legitimate concern, especially as my own eyesight isn't doing that great at a distance, but it's nothing you can't mitigate with a pair of binoculars or other similar equipment. Regardless, there's actually a really good clip made by the TH-camr Folding Ideas, in a video essay called "In search of a flat earth". There's another video of his called "The Minnewanka curve experiment" that I personally haven't watched, but that I presume goes in more detail on his setup and the experiment himself. In the clips he shot, you can clearly see that by moving the camera up and down a few feet, an entire vehicle (and generally, the trees on the shoreline) on the other side of the lake appear and disappear behind the curve. That's not what compression looks like, because the base vehicle isn't slowly becoming indistinguishable from the water because it's too small and too close to it, it's instead being covered by a clear edge. I really recommend taking a look at it, it's some beautiful footage.
@@azuriiru I don't think you understood the point I was making. Compression on a convex lens is in all directions. So yes lifting a camera up does does allow you to see farther but not because of curvature. It's because my lifting the camera you are decreasing the compression beneath the camera which in turn allows the viewer to see a little farther. And to the point of a protrusion on our wall mind thought As you move the protrusion farther and farther away yes it would disappear given enough distance. The wall thought was simply to show how compression works left and right. If I had my left shoulder up against one wall and there was another wall 100 yd to my right I would be able to count brakes much much farther on the right wall and I would the left due to compression. Turn 90 degrees and you're standing on one wall and the other wall is a ceiling 100 yards above my head and I will be able to count the bricks much farther above me than the ones I'm standing on. Now take that and make it a man standing on the ocean. His eyes are 6ft above the water and he has thousands of feet above. Same effect. 6 ft of compression below the line of sight and at the same time thousands of feet above the line of sight is compressing at the same rate but it's 6 ft compared to thousands so the bottom disappears first. Not a hard concept to grasp once you understand. And I am not being demeaning. At one point I didn't understand this. Before you spend any more time with me research visual compression and how the eye works. My point is ships disappearing Over the Horizon is not a good argument for a globe. There is a counter argument which also explains shifts disappearing over Horizon. I've heard the joke that if the Earth is flat there would be nothing on it because cats would have knocked everything over the edge. Thank God cats don't like water. Or we wouldn't be having this argument. There would be nothing LOL
@@twindragon64ify We're talking about the phenomenon of objects that are far away and close to each other becoming so small that our eyes/a camera can't really tell where one object ends and the other begins because at that distance they kind of just blend together, right? Is that what you mean by visual compression?
@@azuriiru yes or cause and effect of viewing out of a convex lens. I'm not making this up I'm simply sharing what I learned. So my main point is watching a ship go over the horizon should not be used as proof of a globe. It's been done over and over again, watch your ship go over the horizon, then view through binoculars the ship reappears, watch it go Over the Horizon through the binoculars, bring out a telescope oh, there's the ship again. And please don't say what my mother used to say that she can see around corners. LOL
@@allsouls5997 nope. Not one thing he has ever shared has refuted anything concerning the globe. The fact that measurement confirms the globe and globe earth maps work is all it takes to show the earth is a globe. In the meantime you can't even provide a single measurement or functioning fe map to support you. Game. Set. Match.
I find the globe earth and flat earthers can't come to terms with a earth larger than we are told. They keep basing the curve on the belief that earth is only so big. Then by tracking the Antarctica coast line being far longer than believed to be and that General Byrd (I may be wrong of that rank) has scouted deep into Antarctica only to find extra land. And extra land is literally extraterrestrial simplified. So the mote and more I hear globe and flat I'm continually becoming more believing of a earth far larger than we are told and that both parties are correct in the idea as our relm looks flat but our globe is still true and our borders are not as they should seem
Flat earthers do not claim that earth is a disk. So that doesn't debunk anything. None of you have ever attempted to even listen to a flat earthers claim. You can't debunk something that you can't even explain.
@@justinkirschenman2232 Some still do. They like to change it all the time between disc or endless flat earth or sometimes its a disc with a dome. They are flerfs they can't make their mind up on anything. I've listened to plenty of flerf claims. They are all bs based on incredulity. I've been asking flat earthers for 9 years now to provide a single measurement and functioning fe map based on that measurement. Do you want to venture how many measurements and functioning maps I have been sent? Spoiler 0.
When you took out the flat tray and show it as a curvature when you look at some altitude above it, I was rolling over the floor and laughing. And especially after you showed the square and a corner of that as well. Brilliant. Keep it up.
@@thomasvanderzande5846 anything that occurs within the heliocentric model and the spherical earth both prove themselves using any known mathematical concept, whereas any flat earth or earth-centric model is yet to do that consistently and often is missing very important details. I wouldn’t call it indoctrination, the earth is just widely known as a globe because it is observable and measurable as one, whereas flat and earth-centric models simply don’t make sense without conflicting details or magic paracausal forces. If there was an earth-centric or flat model that is consistent with all natural occurring phenomena (plus other things like human travel methods) on earth then it might be taken seriously, but such a thing hasn’t been made.
@@OwenGebhard There is no flat earth model (and also not a heliocentric model BTW), and that is not really relevant anyway, since we do not live on a model (turning a model into your reality would be a reification fallacy, a logical fallacy). Furthermore, I have never observed a globe, have you? That statement of yours is simply not true. As for measurements, I have not seen them either, and how can one measure a (pre-assumed) radius anyway. But if you have measurements, please tell me , I will take a look (warning I know all the claims out there already). Also, I didn't claim to have a flat earth model, so it's bit of a strawman logical fallacy as well. BTW, Owen, thanks for your reaction, because it is polite and civil. Something that cannot be said of some/ most other reactions here.
@@thomasvanderzande5846 nobody said we were turning a model into reality wtf. The globe model came about from people observing and measuring the earth (and stars, planets, moons) over thousands of years, proving or disproving previous knowledge/theories as our ability to observe more precisely increases with technology. Our understanding of the globe earth changes over time because the scientific community have open minds to new findings. And by “model” I don’t just mean a little toy globe, I mean an accurate scalable simulation of what is observed and measured in reality. You are fundamentally misunderstanding both the meaning of the word model here. What I am saying is that flat earthers have never produced a model (a mathematically consistent visualization) of a flat earth that isn’t vastly oversimplified, untested, and contradictory to both itself and our observable reality. This is because flat earth logic comes from a lack of understanding and a lack of care for the scientific method. Nothing is measured, and each detail is made up to conform to your beliefs and biases. The globe earth model was created by literally measuring the earth, mapping and calculating the trajectories of the stars, calculating observable forces, and then trying to figure out how it all fits spatially. The flat earth community is not taken seriously because they already have a conclusion that they are stuck to before it is tested, that they then are trying to fit everything from the real world into. It’s completely unscientific. On top of that I often see flat earthers completely disregard solid evidence of globe earth simply because they can’t understand it, instead they choose to call it ridiculous so that they don’t feel dumb. Meanwhile they are making up magic answers to suit their untested beliefs that would make far less sense if they cared to go into any detail. And yes I have seen evidence of both a globe earth with my own eyes. I’m lucky enough to have been on a plane where I could see the curvature of the earth. Hell, I can even see it from the beach. Also I can see that during a lunar eclipse the shadow the earth casts on the moon always has circular curve. Flat earthers are too attached to their preconceived conclusions that they forget to simply just look at the natural world around them and draw conclusions from that, not the other way around.
@@thomasvanderzande5846 You saying “how can one measure a radius anyway” is a classic example of the flat earth mindset of “i don’t understand it therefore it can’t be true.” The circumference and other measurements of the earth were never “pre-assumed” it has actually been fairly closely estimated since ancient Greece. A man named Eratosthenes measured the angle of the shadows of two rods, at noon on the summer solstice, at set locations a known distance apart. One cast no shadow as the sun was directly above it, and the other did as it was at an angle of about 7.2 degrees. Using the measurement of the angle which is approximately 1/50th of a circle, the distance between the two points multiplied by 50 gave him an estimate that is actually pretty close. This is sort of a simplifed version of the story but I can also provide more detailed sources that have visualizations. Flat earthers however, say that this difference in shadows is caused by the sun being much closer than what has been measured, making the sun cast rays on earth at different angles rather than being near-parallel. Though this causes a lot of inconsistencies and contradictions when considering many other natural occurrences. The distance of celestial bodies was also estimated way back in ancient greece as well using parallax, how closer objects will appear to shift more than farther objects when viewed at two different angles. Like when you hold a finger in front of your face and alternate closing one eye and the other, your finger will appear to shift back and forth much more drastically than something farther away in the background. They knew that the sun was far enough away to cast near parallel rays on the earth because they calculated it. They were super smart back then but they still didn’t have a clear and complete vision/understanding of the whole earth. We have a more complete understanding now not because anything was pre-assumed, but because with better technology and more knowledge we have supported many of their theories and also disproven many. The nature of the scientific process is not to look only for evidence to support your theories/conclusions. It’s about letting your findings show you if what was previously thought is correct, kinda close, or way off.
I live on the coast of North Carolina, home to several of the tallest lighthouses in the US. I love to come at flerfers with the simple question: why are lighthouses tall? If there is no curve then you gain no advantage by making them taller. And it would certainly be easier and cheaper to build lighthouses 2 stories tall instead of 20 stories tall. And the lighthouse keepers who had to climb them multiple times a day would certainly demand a shorter lighthouse if a tall one wasn't needed.
It's astounding that people survive as long as they do without being able to understand such basic observable phenomena, denying the reality right in front of them. Incredible.
there's literally cases of people who have lost the ability to see firmly believing they still have their vision. the human mind doesn't care, it does whatever it wants.
Agree totally... one would have thought that seeing as everyone has only seen that the earth they are standing on is flat... how long before they stop believing the lies.
@@PelletJamie this statement only holds true if you deny that people can see the curvature from an aircraft window at say 30,000 ft (standard commercial altitude is between 30,000 & 42,000 ft). You must also deny the fact that astronauts have been in space. So yeah, the big conspiracy must also include "EVERY SINGLE AIRLINE PASSENGER WHO DARED LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOW" (assuming the view not being obscured by clouds that you are flying over)
@@kalanivernon7273 Airplane cabin windows are fish-eyed. But even still it looks very much flat. I flew just last week... looked flat to me. "They" say that even at 30k feet you shouldn't be able to see the curvature... even Neil Degrasse Tyson said that Felix Baumgartner shouldn't have been able to see the curvature so...... in this "conspiracy" only a handful of astronauts have to "be in on it".
@@PelletJamie They're not fish-eyed, no. Straight lines on the ground appear as straight lines. It's funny watch you make up ridiculous things like that.
i've always been confused by the whole "you can't see the curve" argument... because you absolutely can. If you were to stand on a boat in the middle of the ocean so that the horizon is unobstructed by land masses you would see that the horizon is an unbroken line that goes all the way around you, forming a circle. So, yes, you can easily see the curve of the horizon, you just need to know what to look for.
It's actually really cool seeing the curve. I remember flying from LA to Japan being the first time I'd seen it personally. It was slight, but it was most certainly there along with a very cool gradient from sky blue to a nice deep blue.
That's not the Earth's curve because the curve is not visible from the ground. What you are refering to is the circle of our limited line of sight. To see the actual curve we would have to be up at the edge of space.
@@gab31282 Funny thing is that I can *MEASURE* curvature from sea level. I can *OBSERVE* curvature from sea level by lust observing a light house from some distance.
@@twindragon64ify Nope. The existence of the observable horizon proves that the Earth isn't flat. Feel free to keep digging yourself deeper though: explain how a distinct horizon, which is not the edge of the Earth, is possible on a flat Earth.
To people who see this after me, this was Dave McKeegan's first video disproving Flat Earth. He disproved the moon landings being fake before, but most of his videos before this were photography ones.
@@shadowfury200 the bible doesn't promote flat earth at all and he used a quote that showed his faith in his creator. If you can refute all round earth arguments then why can't you even provide something like a functioning map or a measurement? The globe earth measurements and maps work just fine and are used daily to travel accurately all around the globe. Welcome to the globe.
The best part is that there actually IS visible curvature, just not horizontally. The fact that there even is a horizon and you can’t just see straight to the next landmass over proves that there’s curvature there
Can you see all of the elements on the periodic table? Can you see in the dark as well as a primitive lifeform? And maybe the bending of light that you see is because of gravity, not because there is an actual bend. And since science doesn't know what gravity is, how can they say any of this is wrong? And any pictures of Earth from space are all flat. Pictures are 2 dimensional, which means flat. So how can any 2 dimensional pictures prove something is 3 dimensional? Your eyes work like cameras and capture images in 2D. A process of the brain converts them to 3D. If we are in a simulation, which no astrophysicists can disprove, the brain converting images to 3D is part of the design...
@@Fifasher2K give me a break the Sun appears as it's rising yes it's going in a circuit you can even TH-cam the video on the North Pole the Sun goes in a circuit continually at a certain time of the year and you can see a circle the entire time
The famous Concorde photo was taken in April 1985 from an RAF Tornado fighter. The Concorde slowed down from it's usual cruising speed of Mach 2, at 60,000 feet, so the stripped-down Tornado could keep up with it for 4 minutes, as it was running out of fuel.
Just why would the governments of every nation on earth, perpetuate the spherical earth lie? What can be gained from saying the earth is a sphere if it is actually flat?
They have this intricate and insanely paranoid theory about it all being to keep us from knowing how special we are, or something to that effect. In their warped little heads, somehow a cake dish floating in nothingness, essentially God's human ant farm, makes us more special than being on a globe in an infinte universe. Personally, I find the infinite universe a lot more interesting and exciting than being pets under a cake dish, lol. But yeah, they're nuts. I mean deeply disturbed.
Globe liars don't have a problem living on this flat motionless earth created by Jesus, but they are triggered when they hear "flat earth". 😆😁😁😆 Globe earthers are jokers, they have no idea on anything in this world, they simply become slave and believe, because globe liars don't want to get into any trouble from authorities. They are scared, so they keep lying that they are whooshing at 600,000 kmph dragged by sun, what a bunch of nonsense! . Your dummy god einstein was humiliated by the result of Michaelson-Morley experiment. he said "it's embarrassing" , so you have not proven the globe earth yet, please try to prove globe earth. Earth is flat indeed, no matter how hard you try to fool us by whining gravity , inertial frame of reference, relativity, the earth can not turn into a sphere nonsense. Get the h out of here.
If earth is flying at 100,000 kmph, think about the planes, birds, clouds, satellites(?) and balloons hovering on the side of the same direction in which earth is traveling, which means, these objects are literally blocking the way of the earth, these are in the earth's elliptical path. _ My question is, how earth is pushing away those objects if it has gravity? gravity is supposed to pull, not push. How rain is falling to the ground against the 100,000 kmph stupid ball's direction? Why earth is not colliding upwards with the rainy clouds? _ People are afraid of authorities, they buy whatever nonsense they see and hear, they never question the information that they receive. People are dumb.
Flatearthers: Trust what you see with your own eyes Everyone: Showing them literally the curvature Flatearthers: Don't trust what you see with your eyes
The discord server debate was McToon or FTFE. Mr. Sensible did MAGE, a high altitude balloon with a rectilinear lens camera. Curve confirmed. Great video, you've got another sub.
Come on you got to say it like a flerf Mick Toon lol. Ya I was listening to those people on my headphones at work, the worst of course is Witzit and his rapid wordsalad. I tossed a superchat on Modern day debate with Catz and Mr Sensible about explaining the Belt of Venus. And Witzit didn't disappoint with his wordsalad and I know Bob the Science guy did a whole thing about a year ago when Witzit asked why don't we see the Earth's shadow if the sun is going below the horizon.
Its not confirmed as the lens of the camera has dostirted the concave light refractions and given the illusion of the curvature. If you went right into space then looked at the earth you will see the flatness .
If earth is flying at 100,000 kmph, think about the planes, birds, clouds, satellites(?) and balloons hovering on the side of the same direction in which earth is traveling, which means, these objects are literally blocking the way of the earth, these are in the earth's elliptical path. _ My question is, how earth is pushing away those objects if it has gravity? gravity is supposed to pull, not push. How rain is falling to the ground against the 100,000 kmph stupid ball's direction? Why earth is not colliding upwards with the rainy clouds? _ People are afraid of authorities, they buy whatever nonsense they see and hear, they never question the information that they receive. People are dumb.
Globe liars don't have a problem living on this flat motionless earth created by Jesus, but they are triggered when they hear "flat earth". 😆😁😁😆 Globe earthers are jokers, they have no idea on anything in this world, they simply become slave and believe, because globe liars don't want to get into any trouble from authorities. They are scared, so they keep lying that they are whooshing at 600,000 kmph dragged by sun, what a bunch of nonsense! . Your dummy god einstein was humiliated by the result of Michaelson-Morley experiment. he said "it's embarrassing" , so you have not proven the globe earth yet, please try to prove globe earth. Earth is flat indeed, no matter how hard you try to fool us by whining gravity , inertial frame of reference, relativity, the earth can not turn into a sphere nonsense. Get the h out of here.
I've always thought that the horizon would look the same whether on a globe or a disc. Well done on being the first TH-camr to actually do a video about it (first that I've seen anyway).
Actually no. On a disc there would be no horizon unless you where very near the edge. Elsewhere the sea would just fade into a blue haze in the distance.
@@PabloSanchez-qu6ib Totally agree, I've always thought that too. There would be no 'defined line' like we see. More proof that the Earth is round :-). But I was just commenting on the shape.
On a globe, the horizon dip is the same everywhere you look at. On a flat disk, the horizon would be at eye level when you look toward the north pole but, the closer you'd get to the edge, the more dramatic the horizon dip would be when looking away from the pole.
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
@@allsouls5997 Sorry, where is the political debate? And if you are suggesting that anything that FPV Angel says is "honest" I have have the Eiffel Tower that I could let you have for a knock-down price.
Following on with the basketball video. I love the one where they dump a bucket of water on a ball and show that water does not cling to a curved surface. Well, about the 3rd time I saw that I said to myself...well the ball is wet right? And so, I did the math using an NBA Basketball. It turns out that if the water on the basketball was about the same depth as a human hair, then it would be covered with water that is about the average depth of the oceans on Earth. Which I found hilarious. I know the mechanism holding the water on the Basketball is different. I also know that if I had chosen a different ball to model then the result would be different. I just thought it was funny that it works pretty closely for a basketball.
The water tending to run off the ball might also have something to do with the gravitational field of the basketball being somewhat dwarfed by that of the planet right beneath it, which is also something that flat-earthers seem to overlook.
@@Naptosis LARGE BODIES OF WATER NEVER CURVE AT A REST. Large bodies🤦♂️we need you NPC’s. U guys believe in gravity and that’s how y think you walk on a ball in the first place. Once you wake up, no one laughs at you. It’s not even that funny after seeing smart people not let go of what they were “told to know” and that’s it. Never once questioning, “could these people just be lying and fooling the rest of us. But then again, people got 3 shots and bribed to do so for the deadliest virus in the world recently…. PEOPLE ARE FOOLS. And more fool to those who can’t learn anything . Just what schools(Rockefeller textbooks) tell them to memorize or fail and u get no degree. Hahahaha WAKE UP MY FELLOW HUMANS
How do flat earthers explain the fact that ham radio operators lose contact with each other on an apparently flat surface? We can talk to the ISS via ham radio as it passes overhead, but we can't talk to someone ten miles away unless one or both of us are elevated. I don't know any hams who are flat earthers because they understand antennas and the effects of curvature of the Earth.
Uhhhh. Yup Amateur Extra, licensing instructor, and Volunteer Examiner. I have gone VHF 103 miles into a repeater…. Sitting at well over 5,000 feet and I was at about 300 feet. I couldn’t go 20 miles with the same power on the plains of the Midwest.
Wow, another ignorant comment that doesn't align with reality. Go look in your math textbooks from school. What is a line? I'll save you the trouble... it's not curved. It's in the definition of the word. So you're telling me that means we are on a spinning ball? You are ignorant and I'd say you're being paid to say these stupid things that are clearly bs.
Grow up and define the word "LINE"! Uh oh.... a line isn't curved... hmm I wonder if you bothered to look before you tell us what's true. Dunce cap award from me to you....
Seriously, flat earth is sooooooo 2015. Honestly at this point, if there weren't all these channels devoted to debunking it, I think it would tend to die out. But now we've got this weird situation where these content creators feed off of each other and keep each other going.
@@savagelevel714 Says the guy from a community known for banning people from their facebooks and discords so they can preserve their echo chamber... rofl.
Everyone is getting stuck when explaining the water on a globe...they always takes the gravity when trying to explain this...but gravity is not practically proven yet..they just say something they were told by someone..so i think now its time to research by ourselves without accepting all we were told by someone elses..coz what if they were wrong...?? Will Let our minds solve this..
@@knightmpw have you ever tried half filling a bucket of water and then spin it around ? The wet stuff stays stuck in the bucket eithen tho it has been upside down , spinning said bucket makes central fungal force which i guess is another term for the word gravity , the earth is supposed to be turning at 1000mph that should make a fair bit of central fungal force stuff
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
So they just believe if they kept walking in a straight line you would end up in a different dimension? Or is there some magical barrier that once you cross it you get teleported back to the other side of the world?
They constantly move the goal post. If it is an infinite/continuous plane, then obviously it's a sphere. A flat plane is finite no matter how big. I swear they just make up stuff as they go.
Fiiinally someone used a round plare or tray to prove a curve even on a flat earth! I've tried so long to point that out everywhere. That's one is my favorite arguments in fact. Thank you so much, awesome video. :)
@Lamppost 🦕 his example is as flawed as the flerfers.....he assumes a disk so small it makes no more sense than a smaller globe with visible curve. If yoh can't see to the edge of the pizza (deflection, refraction, obstruction) then this example is moot...it only works if you assume the edge is within your visual range, it is not in their examples...same reason we don't have an ice wall picture (besides it doesnt exist) they don't believe we can get that close to the edge. The point to be made here though, his argument in this case is AS BAD as theirs, and as small minded and literally short sighted.
I love the simple, reproducible example with the horizontal bars in front of the horizon. When squishing the image to magnify the curvature effect, you can still see the horizontal bars and cross-out lens effects from the camera.
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
FAKE GLOBE = The Earth has no curvature, check out the videos on TH-cam: CONVEX EARTH THE DOCUMENTARY / CONVEX EARTH TECHNICAL DATA / Convex Earth youtube channel Whithout curvature, globe is impossible, it is enough. But GLOBELOIDS take a long time to understand this ..
Globers always vaguely claim to have "very good counterarguments" but when it comes down to specifics (and it isn't just a video of a glober zealot monologueing without the opportunity for counterarguments from the opposing side like this video) it soon becomes clear the globe side of this debate doesn't have a single non-fallacious argument for their side. There literally aren't ANY examples of independently verifiable observations / experimentation verifying the globe side of the debate over the flat side.
Vaccination is a completely different topic. Corona has shown how the federal ministry of health just kept lying to us about the vaccine. "The vaccine prevents the spread of corona." (6 months later the truth came out that in fact it didn't. Even when vaccinated people can get the virus into their system and then spread it around) Then: "The vaccine prevents infection." (Few months later again truth came out that in fact it didn't. Vaccinated people still showed symptoms) But in my experience arguing with globers about vaccines is equally as stupid as arguing with flattards about their idiotic model. After all Americans give their babies, before they turn 1 year old, around 60 doses of vaccines, and claim these have no side effects whatsoever. And don't get me started on Measles! Morons everywhere...
I got drunk on the beach next to a major port and while watching a massive cruise ship leave I noticed that the bottom part of the ship disappeared while I could still clearly see the upper decks. Even in a drunken state I was in it occurred to me that this happens at all major ports and the clowns arguing the earth is flat just need a case of beer and a sunny clear day and they can see it with they're own eyes
Please don't call it a "debate". Call it a discussion, a disagreement, a takedown, a debunking, anything except a debate. A debate implies that there are oppsing opinions and that we are being asked to pick one which we prefer.
@@chrisantoniou4366 a great point. Sometimes I put “debate” in quotes. But, there has never once been a true debate on the topic. You cannot debate facts.
The picture of the horizon with flat bars above and below is brilliant. First time I've seen it. Simple and cheap. I'll have to try it one day but I don't live on a coast.
@ena-leone I’ve confirmed it myself that we live on a globe in many different ways, which I’m not going to argue here, so keep on dreaming that you’re right and smarter than every scientist in the world…
The thing is, the curvature of the Earth isn't a mystery. Eratosthenes proved the Earth is a globe with two sticks. Now with almost instantaneous communications and timepieces you can synchronize, it would be easy to replicate what he did across an entire continent.
I've been to the "Bodensee" in southern Germany just a few weeks ago, to me it was the first time I could visibly see the earth "curve away" over the water as the land beyond it was clearly under the very calm surface. Being able to see that with my own eyes was a quite nice experience.
And, as you can tell by now, that rabbit hole was filled in with concrete and not as deep as you though.. Their whole arguments are just based on conjecture/speculation. Have you noticed they wouldn't do any of these experiments to prove their claims? They'll just keep moving the goalpost on you. Glad you are back, bro. I keep telling people the whole flat earth stuff is a hoax movement.
Finally, someone has used the same argument I have often used about seeing a curve or a corner at a high altitude even if the earth is flat. I can't conceive what must be going through the minds of flat earthers, except maybe the wind.
I also question that if FE people are "free thinkers", why do they get so violently angry when you yourself simply ask questions pondering your own experiences. They seem to have some weird agenda I don't get. Now I heard they are saying there is no 02 in the air? Like that seems too much, to me at least. Aggressive denial of things most of us felt made sense b4 ever learning "brainwashed" about them. When I crashed my bike as a kid, gravity made sense, not EM fields or whatever. My point, believe the moon is made of cheese. I don't care. But to aggressively attack centuries of human logic & thought just seems in bad faith. I lost my point sorry. Peace
@@Iluvantir I know I'm gonna det hate for this statement. The flat earthers aren't a threat, to science, anyone who understands basic physics. They are a threat to Durr people, but the "Durr's" will always get caught up in jingling keys-hey I like that too, mentality. I really, really, don't want to go political, but I moved from America to Austria after 27 years & the biggest "Durr", knuckle dragger out there is about to destroy the American experiment, leaving Europe to, now as we speak, up their military power. Yes I live in a neutral country who happens to make some of the best hand held fire arms in the world, but till now our Army was mainly to rescue hikers, act like they're doing something at the wide open borders. Now, as the the Existential terror grips all European countries, keep messing with the lil idiots, but remember nothing short of the future of the West is at hand. Germany, who after paying crippling reparations after WWII & later swore to never have nuclear weapons & went as far as to say no more nuclear power bc it could be used, I don't need to explain this. Germany; Austria, Switzerland (the last 2 neutral) are making military plans to deal with Orange T if he is elected. Why? 1) Tr*mp gives Ukraine to Russia, either passively or actively. 2)Russia, now having to make up for 1 of History's biggest blunders, will take Latvia, Estonia all the countries that are now only safe bc America Gave It's WORD to protect them if they stay Democracies. If Poland falls, Putin has Europe tied up in a mess that will make us all wish of the days where Global Warming or Earthquakes or School Shootings were barely an afterthought. That means who is left for America to trade with? I'll let Y'all do your own research. Please don't take this as an attack on you, I agree with everything you said, flat earthers-dumb, Period. I'm having panic attacks as I'm 1 Country away from Ukraine. Peace, I promise this was not an attack, more an actually panic attack caught on type. Peace, love Science & respect. If you feel slighted respond bc many have had to to make me able to make this my calm comment. Again not this comment, just in general lately. I'm sorry, too long, went too dark, I'm really sorry
@@Iluvantir I'm so sorry you had to take that blow. I'm an Assh*le for putting it on your comment. I just read a comment that to me, in 3 succinct sentences screamed critical thinker & I dumped my purse all over your reply section. I've been at this all evening with some real knuckle draggers who told me Ukraine is Russia. I humbly ask for your forgiveness, friendly fire, full stop. Peace
I never understood the "but you can't see the curvature" argument, YES! YES I CAN SEE IT! I feel like I'm going insane everytime I see people from both sides acknoledging that you can't see the curvature on the horizon when I can clearly see it
It’s an intuitive assumption that arises from the spheres we handle routinely; we’ve played with balls since we were kids and associate visible curvature with spheres.
I just watch and read they comment as a joke because every theory flat earther think it doesn't make any sense at all. I just watch them as entertainment When you think about I could make a light novel and make every theory they make become exist in that novel or make a light novel where everyone believe earth is flat but it globe and the main character try to proof them wrong
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
The horizon itself is proof the Earth is a sphere. If the Earth was flat, there wouldn't be a horizon. The Earth would look as if it continued to rise in the distance. It's been said that airplanes have to keep adjusting altitude down, which technically is true. If an airplane flew in an aboslutely straight and flat line, it would follow a tangent line into space. However, on a flat Earth model, for a plane to go East, the plane would have to constantly adjust to the left which is extremely ironic.
They think earth is so small that they should see a curve. They dont perceive size well, which is why they think the sun and moon are small. I mean, they probably have a lot of experience with small balls
Very good point about a disk would have a curved horizon as well. I created a disk in Blender just to check because this is the best argument ever, I need to see this. And yup exactly like you said. Thanks!
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
It usually goes: FE: "Looks flat to me, so it must be flat." Normal Person: "But I can see a very slight curve..." FE: "Fisheye lens!" Normal Person: "... with my eyes when compared to that straight line." FE: "It looks curved because our eyes are round." 🤷♀
My conversations usually go like this, can you show me one real picture of what we live on? They then proceed to grab a CGI picture off of the net. Then I say, that's CGI, and they then proceed to say it has to be CGI it's impossiBAAL to show you an actual real time picture.
the fact we even HAVE a horizon disproves flat earth. On a flat earth, you'd easily be able to see south america from africa. you'd easily be able to see australia from africa. No such thing has ever been possible.
Ah, but you see, flat earthers take your puny "evidence that literally everyone on Earth can see with their own two eyes" and reject it. They reject it by...literally just making shit up, and also by completely misrepresenting/misunderstanding basic facts.
Thank you so much for this! This is exactly what I have been looking for! I love how you stick to the facts and do no further extrapolations. Thank you so much for this!
@@digberttumbleweed6413 I have looked at his stuff sometimes. I do like his explanations. Sadly he works for me but I can’t share him with anyone I would like to because he finds them so ridiculous and laughable. Fun to watch, but not exactly helpful for debating.
My favorite flat earth theory came from my son's friend. According to him planes flying around the world "space jump" from one side to the other. I never laughed so hard.
So, if you're inside the plane, looking out of the window, what you can see, it's like warping through a Stargate/Teleporter!? I honestly did not know that... 😅
God said it's fact so unless you don't believe in God and you also believe we came from monkeys then good job cuz I didn't come from a monkey I came from God
Dave McKeegan, you've earned yourself a subscription from me! Your refreshing back-to-the-roots look at the Flat Earth phenomenon is what most FE debunkers are missing these days, including FTFE and SciManDan. This single video of yours totally ANNIHILATES the whole FE movement in one fell swoop!
@Witsit Gets It one thing I do know ..your well educated very articulate and obviously know every philosophical fallacy in the book , but what I know for an absolute fact listening to you is that you do NOT believe the earth is flat . So keep on sponging of TH-cam for a cheap buck
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
@@Witsit all you have to do to prove a flat earth is provide a single measurement and a functioning map. If you can't do that then the earth is not flat. In the meantime the globe earth measurements and maps all work which only happens if we live on a globe. Game. Set. Match.
After trying to discuss with flat earthers and other conspiracy thinkers I have ended on the conclusion that the quote is not only very precise, it is extremely fitting: "Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
We flat earthers feel the same about globers, mostly because they keep trying to squeeze the two theories into one which is utterly ridiculous. Both theories work well but cannot be combined as they are based on completely different observations.
@@lagomorphia9 I have never and will never try to fit a flat earth hypothesis into a spherical globe theory. Have you ever wondered why the earth is the only flat object in the universe according to your believes? Clearly you can see Mars, Jupiter and Saturn with a pair of binoculars....they are all round. You don't need to believe me saying this...go out and look for yourself. Venus you can simply see with the bare eyes....it is round. Why should the earth be flat? And a very intriguing question is what is on the OTHER side of the earth if it is flat? Like on a coin, there is a reverse side...what is there? It doesn't take much to understand that the flat earth hypothesis (because it is NOT a theory) is wrong. I have been working within natural science and cartography for over 30 years and there is nothing in the flat earth hypothesis that adds up. It is basically lots of different suiting evidence, but put together it doesn't hold water. Even the old Egyptians calculated the circumference of a spherical globe down to a few miles error. We have known that the earth is a sphere for more that 4000 years. It is however correct that earth is not a PERFECT sphere....circumference measured around the equator is slightly longer then measured across the poles and this is due to the centrifugal force that arises from the rotation of the earth. This does not mean that the earth is flat, it is just not a perfect sphere. I have heard that within the flat earth society some people denies that we have satellites in orbit around the earth. If that was thru why can I calculate the delay time on a phone call between US an Europe. And how does a satellite telephone work at all out in the wilderness miles and miles away from the nearest antenna station, where you clearly have no reception on you mobile....how is the satellite telephone working....and how is GPS, Galileo and other positioning system working. Sorry, but you need to read some books, acquire some knowledge and get out of the echo chamber on internet.
@@lagomorphia9Okay i’ll show you why flat earth is absolute garbage. "You think the sky is blue? No it isnt sky isnt blue you think sky is blue because anime characters are actually reptiloids and they make you think that sky is blue for no reason. In reality sky is red and nothing other exist on earth. There’s no arguments you can use. I said sky isnt blue, its red and my theory is better than yours. Youre dumb if you think sky is blue"
@@lagomorphia9 The hallmark of a good scientific theory is that it is consistent with other well established theories. Also, flerfers don't seem to understand what it means for something to be called a theory in a scientific context. A theory is the highest level, theories do not get 'proven' into facts, hypothesis get proven into theories. All the 'laws' of physics and thermodynamics are theories.
One of my favourite videos is of Prof Brian Cox taking a flight in an RAF jet and flying towards the setting sun at a location where the Earths rotational speed is just around 600Mph (yes flat Earthers the Earth has different rotational speeds) and he watched the setting sun rising back up over the horizon, he was flying faster than the Earths rotation at that point. It was beautiful. Oh and why Earth is a ball, - Gravity. :)
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
I was sitting on a verandah of a house on the east coast of Tasmania. The verandah had a horizontal balustrade. Sitting with my eye at the level of the horizontal balustrade, I could easily see the horizon was curved,
the horizon can never have curve, the simple reason, each direction you look in will be the same distance away from you....that's why it appears, and is, perfectly flat. fact.
@@chrisantoniou4366 And here I was sitting on a veranda chair in the non-existing Tasmania, watching the sun apparently going the wrong way, according to my northern hemisphere-influenced expectations.. easily explained by the earth being a sphere, and instead usually denied by flat earthers. Strange people.. 🙂
This is an illusion of the eye as your eyeball is also a curved lens. The eye itself is a ball , aka eyeball, therefore anything being viewed through the lens of a spherical view will appear spherical.
When I see bluebottles bumping into glass window panes, I think, 'don't these flat earthers ever give up?!' So I open the window, and let them discover that there's a whole frigging flat universe out there.
A flat earther who is open to a normal conversation won't be a flat earther for long. They can only hold on to their arguments if they ignore or shout over every of your explanations and jump to their next faulty flat earth "proof".
Apparently some believe in a "pac man effect" where tou blip back to the other side. It astounds me the bullshit flat earthers will believe instead of just acknowledging a concept that has been common knowledge for centuries.
@@samanthafairweather9186 It would also be hilarious if you ask them to apply for a job in Antarctica since "the government" have literal websites for it
@@nickdentoom1173 No they definitely can. They don't know how to do it until you ask them, but they can definitely answer that. Flat earth people always have some ad hoc response to whatever evidence you may present to them.
We went to the gdamn moon we know what the earth looks like. Thankfully flatearth has a expiration date with space and moon tourism coming in the next decades
That's actually two very good points. Yes, you would see a straight horizon in a disc only when you are at sea level, not from every altitude and place on Earth. And the only way you can get the same distance to horizon wherever you are is, with a sphere. The disc as per definition, has an edge
@@allsouls5997 nope. Not one thing he has ever shared has refuted anything concerning the globe. The fact that measurement confirms the globe and globe earth maps work is all it takes to show the earth is a globe. In the meantime you can't even provide a single measurement or functioning fe map to support you. Game. Set. Match.
@@l-l hehe yeah it's fun when they do that. It's even more fun though when they have done that and you find them in another thread trying to say the same thing and then they leave the entire video when you catch them again.
A theory doesn’t prove anything, just like all the heliocentric big bang cosmology has is theories, there’s nothing in the way of a practical demonstration to prove any of the claims involved in any of it, go see if you can make a large body of water curve on its surface, if the earth was a globe then all bodies of water on it would have curvature on its surface, yet not one person has demonstrated this, in fact it’s been the opposite, water finds level, a straight line, horizontal like why the horizon is called the horizon
I'll be honest, I know this isn't remotely the point of the video, but when I first opened it up, I thought you were playing with your girlfriends hair, who was inexplicably sitting on the floor just off camera. In a millisecond I thought "What a strange dynamic, are they in a dom/sub relationship and this is just how his videos play out, but he focuses on debunking... oh, it's his dog. That makes sense."
it looks like the only way to convince flerfers is to actually take them on one of those space travels. So they can see for themselves. Wait, maybe that was always their goal, a free trip to outer space lol
To be honest if it gave me a free trip into space I may well consider trying to pretend I am a Flat Earther.... Not sure how long I could keep the pretence up, but I would at least try!!!
Even if they were convinced, every other flat earther would immediately declare them compromised and say that they were being paid by NASA, or that the gumm'int placed false memories in their head or somesuch.. there's no way to reaason someone out of an viewpoint that they didn't reason themselves into.
I am a merchant marine half of my life, in my 22 years of sailing, Pacific, Atlantic Indian Ocean, sailed from east to west direction and vice versa, north to south, south to north and every direction there is, but never I reach a wall just as what they believe.
I had that exact same thought during a shower, in my head i used a whole pizza instead of a pizza tray. Thanks for the Video and explaining it so even Flat Earthers could understand (even though they will probably not listen)
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I actually never thought that from space you'd still have a curve in a flat earth being it a disc. I'd love to see their reaction to that argument...
they would sya that space is fake and that there is a dome or it is an infinite flat plane
@@kaliban4758 "an infinite flat plane" with what "outside" of the space we have available to us Earthlings?
They wouldn't be able to answer this, but they are ignorant, and flerfers don't care about logic :D
@@MistedMind too true
I think the best they could come up with is that the earth is not flat but actually a dome /semi-sphere.
I da not expect any logic from them nor a reevaluation of their stance in the light of new evidence or thrashing of their proofs
If you haven't seen the earth from space how can you confirm the earth is a globe. We are observing it through a concave lens , the eyeball which is also a sphere, this gives the earth a visual illusion of being a sphere.
The debate was Craig on the FTFE channel. He debates the subject weekly, as opposed to the flerfs who debate the subject weakly.
lol I see what u done there ;)
mctoon also do this
Craig and McToon are fools, why do they still debate the idiots? FE is a dead horse.
@@kirkhamandy It is simply another direction of attack. Unless somebody knows how to debate, they can have their backside handed to them even if they know all the science.
Toon and Craig are both very familiar with flerf deception tactics and are able to dismantle those in addition to flerf pseudoscience.
@@ma9x795 I'm fully aware of that, I recall getting my own arse handed to me just like that back around 2016 or so, I wised up pretty quickly.
My favorite Flat Earther quote is “interesting” right after explaining the test and the results to prove it’s flat. Then getting the results that prove it’s a Big Ball
Thanks Bob.
The earth is just like the moon, flat. . .
Welcome to the future where we have self-driving cars, self-replicating robots and self-debunking flearthers
We don't really have the first 2 things....not really.
The fact that we're even talking about this, is insane to me.
Here's another fun fact that will blow your mind. If you consider yourself of average intelligence, then by that definition, you are smarter than 4 billion people.
So not that far fetch to find within 4 billion people, to find ones that are really really dumb. 😁
@@Supremax67 EXPLAIN CURVED WATER TO ME THEN
@@simonjones7884 -- You like to randomly argue with people for no reason? Where did I state anywhere in my comment about curves or water.
Are you part of that lower intelligence group I was referring to?
@@simonjones7884 Well, gravity pulls water to the center of the earth. Since water is a liquid (meaning its atoms are more free to move around than those in solids) it's able to conform to the Earth's curvature, since it's being pulled to the earth.
@@iloveplasticbottles i say again...the force of gravity is so powerfull that a gnat can defeat it ???????
The fact that even the ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, chinese,Indians all knew that the earth wasn't flat and yet we still in our modern world have people that refuse to believe it is astonishing
The internet in action. Stupid people are able to find other stupid people much faster.
@John Johnson
It's because it's not actually about the shape of the earth for a lot, if not most.
It's about seizing the confirmation that there's a reason that the hardship, unhappiness or genuine struggles in the reality of their lives doesn't comport to the expectation perpetuated in modern, more capitalistic leaning societies, that everyone who wants to be happy and successful will be if they work hard enough.
They've found a community of people who validate and affirm them. And now they can fight back against the nefarious and nebulous 'they' because there's evidence that exposes the lies 'they' use to keep the rest down.
Most Flerf adherents don't care that the arguments they make in the comments have been thoroughly debunked. They use them so that they can point to factual responses and proclaim that that response proves that they're right, people are just sheep repeating what 'they' taught you to believe.
See FVP Angel for how the Ancients taught about the realm. It wasn't a spinning ball
@@allsouls5997 nope. Not one thing he has ever shared has refuted anything concerning the globe. The fact that measurement confirms the globe and globe earth maps work is all it takes to show the earth is a globe. In the meantime you can't even provide a single measurement or functioning fe map to support you. Game. Set. Match.
@@Requiem4aDr3Am If All Souls wonders about it, maybe they should buy a ring-laser gyroscope and try to find an environment where they don't notice "a fifteen degree, per hour, uh, drift." Thanks, Bob.
The frustrating thing is they will simply ignore this argument and then prattle on about something else whilst insulting you. I just wish they would open their minds a teeny bit more sometimes
They are not seeking real world solutions like you and me. They are not evidence driven, only faith driven. They believe that they can make up any shite they like, based on the crap sold to them by their priests, and believe that they have disposed of our objections, or requests for illumination of their claims. Totally different mindset.
ignore arguments & proofs until they've forgotten the arguments & proofs then say the same crap 🤣🤣🤣
At some point in the past, their minds were so open that their brains fell out.
@@phildavenport4150 Scratch a flat earther and you'll find a right-wing, conservative, evangelical Christian underneath.
@@elroyfudbucker6806 And maybe also a 9/11 denier, a Moon landing denier, an antivaxxer and other conspiracy driven crap.
My biggest question is why? Why would they lie about the earth being a sphere? I still don't get that
Nobody does
Many of them believe that the lie about the sphere (and all of space and the universe) is used to undermine their belief in God and to undermine their belief in their own specialness as the center of Creation. They all have varying beliefs though. Flat Earth is not all one thing, there are many versions. I think most if not all believe the lie is a way to control people, though.
control. also, to set up the lie of an "alien invasion"
The answer to this biggest question is very simple, the moment you understand the flat earth system, which is that a closed system constituting of the earth and the sky cannot be created by coincidence and cannot explained based on such argument, but only by a creator. The moment you realize that they cannot control you anymore. You know where you are from and where you are going to.
@@maghribiMoorish Why would the Creator create a tiny closed system instead of an expansive, apparently infinite universe? This strikes me as a diminishment of God. What's to stop you from believing that the Earth consists not of a world with many different countries and terrains, but just your house, your town, maybe a few other towns and whichever places you've actually visited yourself? Why be so limiting? And the limits seem arbitrary. You could raise a child in a closet and convince them that nothing existed outside the closet.
I'm always amused by the oceanic horizon pics saying "Where's the curve?". Being in western Canada & the closest ocean being the Pacific, I just want to hand them a telescope (or better yet have them supply their own to minimize any chance of me interfering/ skewing the results w/ gimmicked equipment) & ask them "Show me Japan".
Earth is huge. The ground vision is restricted
@@Globehoax and any adult that thinks the earth is flat meets the clinical definition of "men tally re tar ded".
But bless your little heart for effort!
@@Globehoax "The ground vision is restricted'
Yes. By curvature. If it were flat it wouldn't be restricted.
@@EBDavis111 the registered liar Eco
@@EBDavis111
To flatEarthers, I guess reality is like a video game that cant render everything all at once so it has to hide stuff off in the distance by restricting the draw distance lol
Fact of the matter is, if we can see fucking Venus along the horizon; if the Earth was flat, then we should be able to see Japan from North America. Or even South America. If we look out on a clear night, we should be able to see the lights of Tokyo fairly easily. With a decent telescope, that is. Though, during the summer time, it would still be light out during the evening over there. Which raises an interesting thought...seeing dusk in Japan through a telescope during the middle of the night in Canada lol
I thought the most common argument of flat earthers is, "That's just stupid" or "That's clearly fake".
That's their only argument - denial of the bleedin' obvious, and empty claims. Zip evidence for anything they do believe to exist.
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Which in reality means, ‘I’m stupid’ and ‘I don’t understand it’.
Er, don't forget....'things don't add up here'!
...and... 'this doesn't make sense to me!........!!
You need a flat straight lines to read an angle from the sextant.....
So thank you. Earth is flat.
Something thats hard for you satanic puppits to understand. 🥴
Back in college, one of my professors was lecturing us on the curvature of planets.
The example he used was Earth and once he’d explained how scientists measure the Earths curve, one of the students asked how much of the Earths curve you could see from the surface.
My professor answered “easily less than 1%.”
They guessed. Two sticks stuck in the ground 400 miles from one another back before the great fire of Alexandria. They still use that as their proof 😂
@@williamjoseph4996 You do realize flat earth society repeated this exact experiment to prove the earth was flat... only to come to the same results, proving the earth is a globe, right? Oh you didn't know? I thought you all did research on the internet?
@@quizzy1234 Flat Earthism is an ahistorical, make-it-up-as-you-go, deny all evidence to the contrary pile of self deluding shite. Conduct a lit review? Seek peer review for their conclusions? Provide evidence for their claims, including the supposed math? Hahahahahahahahahaha... The only support these morons seek or accept comes from internet posts by the similarly afflicted.
@@williamjoseph4996the sun dial works BECAUSE THE EARTH IS A SPHERE.
@@williamjoseph4996 How confidently ignorant do you have to be to ridicule a repeatable an verifiable experiment, when your version of reality isn't even consistent.
This is what im wondering...how can they say the earth is flat, then upload their stupidity through a GPS device?
GPS isn't exclusive to a globe
@@scottd7222 I wonder how it works on a flat earth, considering that a) it is called and b)relies on GPS satellites, ensuring that you can maintain constant coverage no matter where you are.
GPS is ground base has been ever since World War II
@@scottd7222Global Positioning System, isn't exclusive to a globe?
Not sure you need a GPS device to upload stuff to the internet, but I'm sure a flat earth believer would just claim that the GPS companies are part of the conspiracy, which is why they insist on using the term GPS.
It is difficult to discuss facts with someone who doesn't believe reality.
Globetards Believe Nixon called the moon 😂
or, in other words, can't argue with stupid
The entirety of the argument boils down to "I don't understand physics, therefore it must be false".
@@williamjoseph4996*”Globetards Believe Nixon called the moon”*
- Setting aside the specific hardware, data encoding and transmission strategies, and EM wavelengths used, the principle is absolutely no different to calling a cell phone from a landline. What are you even trying to suggest with that remark?
@@williamjoseph4996 what does that mean? he called what a moon?
My favorite one is that we've all been unknowingly covered by a large glass dome, there's no way the earth could be a sphere but humans somehow being covered by a glass dome is entirely feasible
Plus, it's gotta be a double dome in case one springs a leak. :)
@@soopergoof232 Oh they must've just added that to the lore, I never heard that part lmfao
So, is rain just condensation? It's be pretty steamy, hey!!? So, I wonder where snow comes from, as ive never seen snow in a greenhouse!! Man, the ridiculous theories of flat earthers are getting into the desperation zone!! 🤣🤣
@@samanthafairweather9186 I'm sure they'll say something along the lines of "rain and snow doesn't exist, it's all a 4D projector and invisible fans in the sky" or something lmao
@@samanthafairweather9186 The dome is very big and it touches space, where it's very cold. So water vapour condensing on the inside of the dome freezes to become ice. When the build-up of ice becomes more dense than the air under it it falls down. Depending on how big those pieces of ice are (which determines how fast they melt) they're either hail, snow or rain once they reach the ground. The greenhouse you're talking about isn't so big that it touches space so water vapour condensing on it never gets cold enough to freeze enough to become ice which is why you've never seen it snow in a greenhouse. There!
No, I'm not a F.E. but I can see how they'd come up with something like that. Hell, I've just seen a man pointing a laser thermometer at the sun to measure how hot it is. "There you go guys, do your own research...the sun is only 200C". For real.
Flat Earthers get way more attention than they deserve.
Photo-Me-Ike: Is that because we all like a laugh?
@@silverknight4886 99.99% of all 'flat-earthers' are all trolls, though and they laugh more at people believing them, so where's the humour exactly. It's actually quite bewildering that I have so much trouble getting people to believe I have a masters degree in geology but when I say I'm a flat-earther suddenly everyone, not only believes me but starts to convince me the earth is round. Trolling used to be an art form, this is just ridiculous.
" flat earthers get way more attention than they deserve "
Well science apparently doesn't identify women as women and men as men according to women who think they are men and men that think they are women. Same for round earth flat earth apparently.
The science is settled, or is it? Apparently it isn't.
@@ruledbysaturn Your inability to understand isn't an argument.
It's free entertainment
I love the fact that in the go pro video's you can litteraly see it curving when the curve isn't on the bottom of the screen
I have even seen some videos where they have used a single frame. When you find the video and run it the earth is all over the place, convex, flat, concave........
@@brucethen " some videos where they have used a single frame. When you find the video and run it the earth is all very the place, convex, flat, concave........" , could you rephrase, please? For I do not understand whaat nyou're saying.
"..used a single frame. " ---- Did you mean unedited, uncut videos?
" When you find the video and run it the earth is all very the place, convex, flat, concave........" I do not understand this sentence. Please rephrase, to clarify whatt you are saying.
@macmanmanny3983 a flat earther will post a picture taken by a camera attached to a ballon. This picture will show a flat edge, if you use Google search and it provides the original youtube video that this single picture was taken from, and you then watch the video you will see the edge of the earth bend sharply down at the edges then a bit later it will be flat then a bit later it will bend up at the edges. This indicates that a fish eye lens was used to film the video, and what the flat earther has done is watch the video, and as soon as they see the edge looking flat they pause the video and take a screen shot then post it as proof of flatness. Which is clearly a lie,yet if we post a picture of curvature they scream "Fish-eye lens".
@@macmanmanny3983a single frame as in what you see when you pause the video at a specific moment. They just took a screenshot of that and used it for the video . The other sentence means that when you look at the video where they took the screenshot from, you can see that it is unstable. This means that the earth’s horizon would look flat, curved, and convex (the opposite of curved as in curved in the other direction). They just took a single screenshot of one frame where the earth looked flat instead of the other two as in the original video.
@@Theoneandonlyjeremyrenner oh ok,, THanks for elaborating.. I understand...
Surely than they are just pulling a prank on the feeble-minded.
For they know the earth isn't flat. What a bunch of losers.
Having been born in a seaside town, I grew up watching ships come over the horizon. First one sees the masts, funnels etc...then gradually the rest of the ship. Looking through binoculars the effect is quite obvious: the ship is traveling over a curved horizon.
Also, there are highpoints at the seaside that are up to about 100 feet. Someone standing at a highpoint will see the ship before the person at the shoreline... again demonstrating the curvature of the Earth.
Visual compression is why ships disappear from the bottom first. Raising your elevation 100 feet as you said allows less compression than 6 ft therefore the effect takes longer. Not trying to upset you. Just want you to understand how the human eye works. You would like a thought experiment imagine yourself standing next to a block wall 5 miles long and your shoulder is up against it. 500 ft away there is a similar wall. You would only be able to count a certain number of blocks on the wall your shoulder is against before they all compressed into an indistinguishable blur. But on the wall 500 ft away you would be able to count blocks much further down the line. This is compression. My point being the reason ships disappear bottom first is because you're six feet off the ground with thousands of feet above you causing more compression below your eye line then above it. In the wall example the same Works side to side. Hope this helps
@@twindragon64ify That's all fine and good, but your thought experiment lacks something travelling up the walls to simulate the ship. If we compare the two situations, by describing the wall you've only described the sea, and not how compression would affect a bigger object clearly protruding from the wall.
Still, I see how compression could be a legitimate concern, especially as my own eyesight isn't doing that great at a distance, but it's nothing you can't mitigate with a pair of binoculars or other similar equipment.
Regardless, there's actually a really good clip made by the TH-camr Folding Ideas, in a video essay called "In search of a flat earth". There's another video of his called "The Minnewanka curve experiment" that I personally haven't watched, but that I presume goes in more detail on his setup and the experiment himself.
In the clips he shot, you can clearly see that by moving the camera up and down a few feet, an entire vehicle (and generally, the trees on the shoreline) on the other side of the lake appear and disappear behind the curve. That's not what compression looks like, because the base vehicle isn't slowly becoming indistinguishable from the water because it's too small and too close to it, it's instead being covered by a clear edge.
I really recommend taking a look at it, it's some beautiful footage.
@@azuriiru I don't think you understood the point I was making. Compression on a convex lens is in all directions. So yes lifting a camera up does does allow you to see farther but not because of curvature. It's because my lifting the camera you are decreasing the compression beneath the camera which in turn allows the viewer to see a little farther. And to the point of a protrusion on our wall mind thought As you move the protrusion farther and farther away yes it would disappear given enough distance. The wall thought was simply to show how compression works left and right. If I had my left shoulder up against one wall and there was another wall 100 yd to my right I would be able to count brakes much much farther on the right wall and I would the left due to compression. Turn 90 degrees and you're standing on one wall and the other wall is a ceiling 100 yards above my head and I will be able to count the bricks much farther above me than the ones I'm standing on. Now take that and make it a man standing on the ocean. His eyes are 6ft above the water and he has thousands of feet above. Same effect. 6 ft of compression below the line of sight and at the same time thousands of feet above the line of sight is compressing at the same rate but it's 6 ft compared to thousands so the bottom disappears first. Not a hard concept to grasp once you understand. And I am not being demeaning. At one point I didn't understand this. Before you spend any more time with me research visual compression and how the eye works. My point is ships disappearing Over the Horizon is not a good argument for a globe. There is a counter argument which also explains shifts disappearing over Horizon. I've heard the joke that if the Earth is flat there would be nothing on it because cats would have knocked everything over the edge. Thank God cats don't like water. Or we wouldn't be having this argument. There would be nothing LOL
@@twindragon64ify We're talking about the phenomenon of objects that are far away and close to each other becoming so small that our eyes/a camera can't really tell where one object ends and the other begins because at that distance they kind of just blend together, right? Is that what you mean by visual compression?
@@azuriiru yes or cause and effect of viewing out of a convex lens. I'm not making this up I'm simply sharing what I learned. So my main point is watching a ship go over the horizon should not be used as proof of a globe. It's been done over and over again, watch your ship go over the horizon, then view through binoculars the ship reappears, watch it go Over the Horizon through the binoculars, bring out a telescope oh, there's the ship again. And please don't say what my mother used to say that she can see around corners. LOL
This is the best debunking I've witnessed in awhile. The pizza tray example was especially devastating 😂. I can't wait to see the rebuttal to this.
Correction: attempted rebuttal.
I doubt the flerfs will be successful lol
@@allsouls5997 nope. Not one thing he has ever shared has refuted anything concerning the globe. The fact that measurement confirms the globe and globe earth maps work is all it takes to show the earth is a globe. In the meantime you can't even provide a single measurement or functioning fe map to support you. Game. Set. Match.
I find the globe earth and flat earthers can't come to terms with a earth larger than we are told. They keep basing the curve on the belief that earth is only so big. Then by tracking the Antarctica coast line being far longer than believed to be and that General Byrd (I may be wrong of that rank) has scouted deep into Antarctica only to find extra land. And extra land is literally extraterrestrial simplified. So the mote and more I hear globe and flat I'm continually becoming more believing of a earth far larger than we are told and that both parties are correct in the idea as our relm looks flat but our globe is still true and our borders are not as they should seem
Flat earthers do not claim that earth is a disk.
So that doesn't debunk anything.
None of you have ever attempted to even listen to a flat earthers claim.
You can't debunk something that you can't even explain.
@@justinkirschenman2232 Some still do. They like to change it all the time between disc or endless flat earth or sometimes its a disc with a dome. They are flerfs they can't make their mind up on anything. I've listened to plenty of flerf claims. They are all bs based on incredulity. I've been asking flat earthers for 9 years now to provide a single measurement and functioning fe map based on that measurement. Do you want to venture how many measurements and functioning maps I have been sent? Spoiler 0.
When you took out the flat tray and show it as a curvature when you look at some altitude above it, I was rolling over the floor and laughing. And especially after you showed the square and a corner of that as well. Brilliant. Keep it up.
@@thomasvanderzande5846 Did you even watch the video
or maby you did, but just said it was Strawmanning your arguments when it clearly wasnt?
@@thomasvanderzande5846 anything that occurs within the heliocentric model and the spherical earth both prove themselves using any known mathematical concept, whereas any flat earth or earth-centric model is yet to do that consistently and often is missing very important details. I wouldn’t call it indoctrination, the earth is just widely known as a globe because it is observable and measurable as one, whereas flat and earth-centric models simply don’t make sense without conflicting details or magic paracausal forces. If there was an earth-centric or flat model that is consistent with all natural occurring phenomena (plus other things like human travel methods) on earth then it might be taken seriously, but such a thing hasn’t been made.
@@OwenGebhard There is no flat earth model (and also not a heliocentric model BTW), and that is not really relevant anyway, since we do not live on a model (turning a model into your reality would be a reification fallacy, a logical fallacy). Furthermore, I have never observed a globe, have you? That statement of yours is simply not true. As for measurements, I have not seen them either, and how can one measure a (pre-assumed) radius anyway. But if you have measurements, please tell me , I will take a look (warning I know all the claims out there already). Also, I didn't claim to have a flat earth model, so it's bit of a strawman logical fallacy as well. BTW, Owen, thanks for your reaction, because it is polite and civil. Something that cannot be said of some/ most other reactions here.
@@thomasvanderzande5846 nobody said we were turning a model into reality wtf. The globe model came about from people observing and measuring the earth (and stars, planets, moons) over thousands of years, proving or disproving previous knowledge/theories as our ability to observe more precisely increases with technology. Our understanding of the globe earth changes over time because the scientific community have open minds to new findings. And by “model” I don’t just mean a little toy globe, I mean an accurate scalable simulation of what is observed and measured in reality. You are fundamentally misunderstanding both the meaning of the word model here.
What I am saying is that flat earthers have never produced a model (a mathematically consistent visualization) of a flat earth that isn’t vastly oversimplified, untested, and contradictory to both itself and our observable reality. This is because flat earth logic comes from a lack of understanding and a lack of care for the scientific method. Nothing is measured, and each detail is made up to conform to your beliefs and biases. The globe earth model was created by literally measuring the earth, mapping and calculating the trajectories of the stars, calculating observable forces, and then trying to figure out how it all fits spatially. The flat earth community is not taken seriously because they already have a conclusion that they are stuck to before it is tested, that they then are trying to fit everything from the real world into. It’s completely unscientific.
On top of that I often see flat earthers completely disregard solid evidence of globe earth simply because they can’t understand it, instead they choose to call it ridiculous so that they don’t feel dumb. Meanwhile they are making up magic answers to suit their untested beliefs that would make far less sense if they cared to go into any detail.
And yes I have seen evidence of both a globe earth with my own eyes. I’m lucky enough to have been on a plane where I could see the curvature of the earth. Hell, I can even see it from the beach. Also I can see that during a lunar eclipse the shadow the earth casts on the moon always has circular curve. Flat earthers are too attached to their preconceived conclusions that they forget to simply just look at the natural world around them and draw conclusions from that, not the other way around.
@@thomasvanderzande5846 You saying “how can one measure a radius anyway” is a classic example of the flat earth mindset of “i don’t understand it therefore it can’t be true.” The circumference and other measurements of the earth were never “pre-assumed” it has actually been fairly closely estimated since ancient Greece.
A man named Eratosthenes measured the angle of the shadows of two rods, at noon on the summer solstice, at set locations a known distance apart. One cast no shadow as the sun was directly above it, and the other did as it was at an angle of about 7.2 degrees. Using the measurement of the angle which is approximately 1/50th of a circle, the distance between the two points multiplied by 50 gave him an estimate that is actually pretty close.
This is sort of a simplifed version of the story but I can also provide more detailed sources that have visualizations.
Flat earthers however, say that this difference in shadows is caused by the sun being much closer than what has been measured, making the sun cast rays on earth at different angles rather than being near-parallel. Though this causes a lot of inconsistencies and contradictions when considering many other natural occurrences. The distance of celestial bodies was also estimated way back in ancient greece as well using parallax, how closer objects will appear to shift more than farther objects when viewed at two different angles. Like when you hold a finger in front of your face and alternate closing one eye and the other, your finger will appear to shift back and forth much more drastically than something farther away in the background. They knew that the sun was far enough away to cast near parallel rays on the earth because they calculated it. They were super smart back then but they still didn’t have a clear and complete vision/understanding of the whole earth. We have a more complete understanding now not because anything was pre-assumed, but because with better technology and more knowledge we have supported many of their theories and also disproven many. The nature of the scientific process is not to look only for evidence to support your theories/conclusions. It’s about letting your findings show you if what was previously thought is correct, kinda close, or way off.
I live on the coast of North Carolina, home to several of the tallest lighthouses in the US. I love to come at flerfers with the simple question: why are lighthouses tall? If there is no curve then you gain no advantage by making them taller. And it would certainly be easier and cheaper to build lighthouses 2 stories tall instead of 20 stories tall. And the lighthouse keepers who had to climb them multiple times a day would certainly demand a shorter lighthouse if a tall one wasn't needed.
@Jason wow you cant think real hard it seems
@@jrcather5196 so you don't have an answer then?
@@jasonjennette7389 you dont have a leg to stand on
@@jrcather5196 And yet I am right and you are wrong.. You still haven't answered my question. Is it because you are ignorant or because you're dumb?
Think about it... a storm, a ship at sea, waves higher than the boat... how would the sailors see the light if it werent tall...
It's astounding that people survive as long as they do without being able to understand such basic observable phenomena, denying the reality right in front of them. Incredible.
there's literally cases of people who have lost the ability to see firmly believing they still have their vision. the human mind doesn't care, it does whatever it wants.
Agree totally... one would have thought that seeing as everyone has only seen that the earth they are standing on is flat... how long before they stop believing the lies.
@@PelletJamie this statement only holds true if you deny that people can see the curvature from an aircraft window at say 30,000 ft (standard commercial altitude is between 30,000 & 42,000 ft).
You must also deny the fact that astronauts have been in space.
So yeah, the big conspiracy must also include "EVERY SINGLE AIRLINE PASSENGER WHO DARED LOOK OUT THEIR WINDOW" (assuming the view not being obscured by clouds that you are flying over)
@@kalanivernon7273 Airplane cabin windows are fish-eyed. But even still it looks very much flat. I flew just last week... looked flat to me.
"They" say that even at 30k feet you shouldn't be able to see the curvature... even Neil Degrasse Tyson said that Felix Baumgartner shouldn't have been able to see the curvature so...... in this "conspiracy" only a handful of astronauts have to "be in on it".
@@PelletJamie They're not fish-eyed, no. Straight lines on the ground appear as straight lines. It's funny watch you make up ridiculous things like that.
i've always been confused by the whole "you can't see the curve" argument... because you absolutely can. If you were to stand on a boat in the middle of the ocean so that the horizon is unobstructed by land masses you would see that the horizon is an unbroken line that goes all the way around you, forming a circle. So, yes, you can easily see the curve of the horizon, you just need to know what to look for.
Yep. The horizon is 360 degrees around you and the observer is on the apex of the globe.
All mariners know this.
It's actually really cool seeing the curve. I remember flying from LA to Japan being the first time I'd seen it personally. It was slight, but it was most certainly there along with a very cool gradient from sky blue to a nice deep blue.
That's not the Earth's curve because the curve is not visible from the ground. What you are refering to is the circle of our limited line of sight. To see the actual curve we would have to be up at the edge of space.
@@gab31282 "that's not earth's curve, that's the circle of limited sight" interesting... I never knew the edge of a circle was a straight line...
@@gab31282 Funny thing is that I can *MEASURE* curvature from sea level.
I can *OBSERVE* curvature from sea level by lust observing a light house from some distance.
One additional detail: on a flat Earth there would not even _be_ a distinct horizon, unless you were close enough to the edge to see it.
The Horizon appear the same on a large ball or a flat plane. Because the eye is the eye and it asks how it acts plane or large ball
@@twindragon64ify Not true. As I already said, if the Earth was flat the only 'horizon' would be the edge.
@@twindragon64ify if depth didn't exist maybe. But we don't live and perceive in 2d.
@@Grim_Beard wrong
@@twindragon64ify Nope. The existence of the observable horizon proves that the Earth isn't flat. Feel free to keep digging yourself deeper though: explain how a distinct horizon, which is not the edge of the Earth, is possible on a flat Earth.
To people who see this after me, this was Dave McKeegan's first video disproving Flat Earth. He disproved the moon landings being fake before, but most of his videos before this were photography ones.
Wow! I never thought how easy it was to disprove their argument, it's downright laughable 🤣🤣 love this
Actually, the fact you thought it would be hard to disprove their logic is the laughable part.
Kinda flipped the script on ya. Sorry bout that 😂
@@creationlabsinc.189 laugh away🤣🤣
I can refute all of round earther arguements why would the founder take a Flat Earth bible quote to his deathbed
@@shadowfury200 the bible doesn't promote flat earth at all and he used a quote that showed his faith in his creator. If you can refute all round earth arguments then why can't you even provide something like a functioning map or a measurement? The globe earth measurements and maps work just fine and are used daily to travel accurately all around the globe. Welcome to the globe.
The best part is that there actually IS visible curvature, just not horizontally. The fact that there even is a horizon and you can’t just see straight to the next landmass over proves that there’s curvature there
Sorry, but that's too difficult for flattards to manage. Try banging rocks together.
I think they say something like "The light curve itself because of the electro-magnetic force" but it still doesn't make any sense.
Can you see all of the elements on the periodic table? Can you see in the dark as well as a primitive lifeform? And maybe the bending of light that you see is because of gravity, not because there is an actual bend. And since science doesn't know what gravity is, how can they say any of this is wrong?
And any pictures of Earth from space are all flat. Pictures are 2 dimensional, which means flat. So how can any 2 dimensional pictures prove something is 3 dimensional? Your eyes work like cameras and capture images in 2D. A process of the brain converts them to 3D. If we are in a simulation, which no astrophysicists can disprove, the brain converting images to 3D is part of the design...
they will say: but what about the water mountain that forms behind ships???
cursed Luz picture
You can watch the sunset, get in an elevator to the top of the Burj Khalifa and watch it again.
The observation of a sunset simply and utterly demolishes the flat earth hypothesis.
"b-b-but a FiSh LeNsE!!!1!1!"
no it doesnt
@@ryanmozert Have you never seen a sunset with your bare eyes?
@@Fifasher2K give me a break the Sun appears as it's rising yes it's going in a circuit you can even TH-cam the video on the North Pole the Sun goes in a circuit continually at a certain time of the year and you can see a circle the entire time
No it doesnt
The famous Concorde photo was taken in April 1985 from an RAF Tornado fighter. The Concorde slowed down from it's usual cruising speed of Mach 2, at 60,000 feet, so the stripped-down Tornado could keep up with it for 4 minutes, as it was running out of fuel.
And here I always thought that it was taken by a Blackbird as it flew past the Concorde. 😁
Just why would the governments of every nation on earth, perpetuate the spherical earth lie?
What can be gained from saying the earth is a sphere if it is actually flat?
They follow the orders from globe propaganda machine
The machine is run by banking cartel
@@Globehoax And who's in this fictitious cartel?
They have this intricate and insanely paranoid
theory about it all being to keep us from knowing how special we are, or something to that effect. In their warped little heads, somehow a cake dish floating in nothingness, essentially God's human ant farm, makes us more special than being on a globe in an infinte universe. Personally, I find the infinite universe a lot more interesting and exciting than being pets under a cake dish, lol. But yeah, they're nuts. I mean deeply disturbed.
@@Globehoax you still haven't answered the question.
I've had the exact same arguments with a flerther at work.He still denies the science or maths, and calls them "tenuous at best". Exhausting!
Point at laugh at him whenever he talks.
I presume his 'work' doesn't require crtical thinking ?
@@tma2001
Yeah presumption, that's the problem .
Globe liars don't have a problem living on this flat motionless earth created by Jesus, but they are triggered when they hear "flat earth". 😆😁😁😆 Globe earthers are jokers, they have no idea on anything in this world, they simply become slave and believe, because globe liars don't want to get into any trouble from authorities. They are scared, so they keep lying that they are whooshing at 600,000 kmph dragged by sun, what a bunch of nonsense!
. Your dummy god einstein was humiliated by the result of Michaelson-Morley experiment. he said "it's embarrassing" , so you have not proven the globe earth yet, please try to prove globe earth.
Earth is flat indeed, no matter how hard you try to fool us by whining gravity , inertial frame of reference, relativity, the earth can not turn into a sphere nonsense. Get the h out of here.
If earth is flying at 100,000 kmph, think about the planes, birds, clouds, satellites(?) and balloons hovering on the side of the same direction in which earth is traveling, which means, these objects are literally blocking the way of the earth, these are in the earth's elliptical path.
_ My question is, how earth is pushing away those objects if it has gravity? gravity is supposed to pull, not push. How rain is falling to the ground against the 100,000 kmph stupid ball's direction? Why earth is not colliding upwards with the rainy clouds?
_ People are afraid of authorities, they buy whatever nonsense they see and hear, they never question the information that they receive. People are dumb.
Flatearthers: Trust what you see with your own eyes
Everyone: Showing them literally the curvature
Flatearthers: Don't trust what you see with your eyes
The discord server debate was McToon or FTFE.
Mr. Sensible did MAGE, a high altitude balloon with a rectilinear lens camera. Curve confirmed.
Great video, you've got another sub.
Come on you got to say it like a flerf Mick Toon lol. Ya I was listening to those people on my headphones at work, the worst of course is Witzit and his rapid wordsalad. I tossed a superchat on Modern day debate with Catz and Mr Sensible about explaining the Belt of Venus. And Witzit didn't disappoint with his wordsalad and I know Bob the Science guy did a whole thing about a year ago when Witzit asked why don't we see the Earth's shadow if the sun is going below the horizon.
Its not confirmed as the lens of the camera has dostirted the concave light refractions and given the illusion of the curvature. If you went right into space then looked at the earth you will see the flatness .
@@AwakenedAvocado A rectilinear lens has very little distortion, especially across the centre where there is none. His video clearly shows curvature.
If earth is flying at 100,000 kmph, think about the planes, birds, clouds, satellites(?) and balloons hovering on the side of the same direction in which earth is traveling, which means, these objects are literally blocking the way of the earth, these are in the earth's elliptical path.
_ My question is, how earth is pushing away those objects if it has gravity? gravity is supposed to pull, not push. How rain is falling to the ground against the 100,000 kmph stupid ball's direction? Why earth is not colliding upwards with the rainy clouds?
_ People are afraid of authorities, they buy whatever nonsense they see and hear, they never question the information that they receive. People are dumb.
Globe liars don't have a problem living on this flat motionless earth created by Jesus, but they are triggered when they hear "flat earth". 😆😁😁😆 Globe earthers are jokers, they have no idea on anything in this world, they simply become slave and believe, because globe liars don't want to get into any trouble from authorities. They are scared, so they keep lying that they are whooshing at 600,000 kmph dragged by sun, what a bunch of nonsense!
. Your dummy god einstein was humiliated by the result of Michaelson-Morley experiment. he said "it's embarrassing" , so you have not proven the globe earth yet, please try to prove globe earth.
Earth is flat indeed, no matter how hard you try to fool us by whining gravity , inertial frame of reference, relativity, the earth can not turn into a sphere nonsense. Get the h out of here.
I've always thought that the horizon would look the same whether on a globe or a disc. Well done on being the first TH-camr to actually do a video about it (first that I've seen anyway).
Actually no. On a disc there would be no horizon unless you where very near the edge. Elsewhere the sea would just fade into a blue haze in the distance.
@@PabloSanchez-qu6ib Totally agree, I've always thought that too. There would be no 'defined line' like we see. More proof that the Earth is round :-). But I was just commenting on the shape.
On a globe, the horizon dip is the same everywhere you look at. On a flat disk, the horizon would be at eye level when you look toward the north pole but, the closer you'd get to the edge, the more dramatic the horizon dip would be when looking away from the pole.
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
@@allsouls5997 Sorry, where is the political debate? And if you are suggesting that anything that FPV Angel says is "honest" I have have the Eiffel Tower that I could let you have for a knock-down price.
Just the fact that you can see a horizon at 70,000 ft instead of seeing the whole Earth and the ice wall disproves the flat Earth.
Following on with the basketball video. I love the one where they dump a bucket of water on a ball and show that water does not cling to a curved surface. Well, about the 3rd time I saw that I said to myself...well the ball is wet right? And so, I did the math using an NBA Basketball. It turns out that if the water on the basketball was about the same depth as a human hair, then it would be covered with water that is about the average depth of the oceans on Earth. Which I found hilarious. I know the mechanism holding the water on the Basketball is different. I also know that if I had chosen a different ball to model then the result would be different. I just thought it was funny that it works pretty closely for a basketball.
The water tending to run off the ball might also have something to do with the gravitational field of the basketball being somewhat dwarfed by that of the planet right beneath it, which is also something that flat-earthers seem to overlook.
Yep, I have also calculated the depth of the oceans compared to the water on a wet basket ball, and you are correct.
Yep, that 'demonstration' always makes me 🤦. Then they say "water always finds its level" whilst spherical and pear-shaped droplets fall off the ball!
Yep, scaled to a typical beach ball, the oceans would be shallower than grooves in your fingerprints.
@@Naptosis LARGE BODIES OF WATER NEVER CURVE AT A REST. Large bodies🤦♂️we need you NPC’s. U guys believe in gravity and that’s how y think you walk on a ball in the first place. Once you wake up, no one laughs at you. It’s not even that funny after seeing smart people not let go of what they were “told to know” and that’s it. Never once questioning, “could these people just be lying and fooling the rest of us.
But then again, people got 3 shots and bribed to do so for the deadliest virus in the world recently…. PEOPLE ARE FOOLS. And more fool to those who can’t learn anything . Just what schools(Rockefeller textbooks) tell them to memorize or fail and u get no degree. Hahahaha WAKE UP MY FELLOW HUMANS
How do flat earthers explain the fact that ham radio operators lose contact with each other on an apparently flat surface? We can talk to the ISS via ham radio as it passes overhead, but we can't talk to someone ten miles away unless one or both of us are elevated. I don't know any hams who are flat earthers because they understand antennas and the effects of curvature of the Earth.
Uhhhh. Yup
Amateur Extra, licensing instructor, and Volunteer Examiner.
I have gone VHF 103 miles into a repeater…. Sitting at well over 5,000 feet and I was at about 300 feet. I couldn’t go 20 miles with the same power on the plains of the Midwest.
Wow, another ignorant comment that doesn't align with reality.
Go look in your math textbooks from school. What is a line?
I'll save you the trouble... it's not curved. It's in the definition of the word. So you're telling me that means we are on a spinning ball? You are ignorant and I'd say you're being paid to say these stupid things that are clearly bs.
Grow up and define the word "LINE"!
Uh oh.... a line isn't curved... hmm I wonder if you bothered to look before you tell us what's true.
Dunce cap award from me to you....
Same reasons the signal can bounce off the firmament
"It's a government conspiracy, man." Answer to everything.
I can debunk flat earthers with 1 word.... cats.
They would have knocked everything off by now.
You obviously did no research
The fact that we're even discussingthis in 2023, this makes my brain want to hemorrhage!
Yes, because the most People believe NASA Lies and lost their Brain.
Indeed. 🤦♂️
Mines already a couple times
Seriously, flat earth is sooooooo 2015. Honestly at this point, if there weren't all these channels devoted to debunking it, I think it would tend to die out. But now we've got this weird situation where these content creators feed off of each other and keep each other going.
This is more damning even than professor dave's destruction of the globebusters. Well done.
Prof. Dave is ruthless, I love it!
Prof. Dave totally tore DITRH apart recently. It was a joy to watch
Checks out. Birds of the same feather flock together. Nothing more be said here. 😂
@@savagelevel714 Says the guy from a community known for banning people from their facebooks and discords so they can preserve their echo chamber... rofl.
@@savagelevel714 Flerfs, space is fake, and MAGA are the biggest babies next to elephants being born.
as a sailor one of my favorite parts of being a look out is watching the lights of shoreline appear over the horizon.
Yeah my answer to "how do you know the earth is round" is "I have sailed out of sight of land."
As a marine, I was always excited to go aboard ships because of this and many other awesome experiences. Crossing hemispheres being another.
Everyone is getting stuck when explaining the water on a globe...they always takes the gravity when trying to explain this...but gravity is not practically proven yet..they just say something they were told by someone..so i think now its time to research by ourselves without accepting all we were told by someone elses..coz what if they were wrong...?? Will Let our minds solve this..
@@knightmpw have you ever tried half filling a bucket of water and then spin it around ? The wet stuff stays stuck in the bucket eithen tho it has been upside down , spinning said bucket makes central fungal force which i guess is another term for the word gravity , the earth is supposed to be turning at 1000mph that should make a fair bit of central fungal force stuff
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
"flat earth theory that disproves itself"
do you have any idea how little that narrows it down lol
Now they're saying we're on an infinite plain lmao. Just jumping from one thing to the next...
So they just believe if they kept walking in a straight line you would end up in a different dimension? Or is there some magical barrier that once you cross it you get teleported back to the other side of the world?
They constantly move the goal post. If it is an infinite/continuous plane, then obviously it's a sphere. A flat plane is finite no matter how big. I swear they just make up stuff as they go.
Fiiinally someone used a round plare or tray to prove a curve even on a flat earth!
I've tried so long to point that out everywhere. That's one is my favorite arguments in fact.
Thank you so much, awesome video. :)
soon we're going to have flat square earthers
@@prezzelboy_1117 can't wait to hear where the corners are
@@Gloomdrake flatards: I thought y'all said it was pear shaped.
Or they'll say:
Dunning Krueger effect
@Lamppost 🦕 his example is as flawed as the flerfers.....he assumes a disk so small it makes no more sense than a smaller globe with visible curve. If yoh can't see to the edge of the pizza (deflection, refraction, obstruction) then this example is moot...it only works if you assume the edge is within your visual range, it is not in their examples...same reason we don't have an ice wall picture (besides it doesnt exist) they don't believe we can get that close to the edge. The point to be made here though, his argument in this case is AS BAD as theirs, and as small minded and literally short sighted.
I love the simple, reproducible example with the horizontal bars in front of the horizon. When squishing the image to magnify the curvature effect, you can still see the horizontal bars and cross-out lens effects from the camera.
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
It called horizon because it is horizontal, sea level because it’s level, air plane because it’s flying over a plane
@@williejesse726 Then flat Earthers must be called flat Earthers because their brain activity has flat-lined and their stupidity is out of this world.
@@williejesse726 this just states flat earth terms rather than explaining anything let along addressing what was said in the vid.
A scientist explaining why the earth is round is like a Harvard professor explaining why grey and blue aren’t the same color
they hate God
@@jrcather5196Why?
@@Salikino take three guesses
@@jrcather5196 I can’t possibly guess why people who know the earth is round hate god.
The people that hate God convinced you to worship the globe religion. Globe is not biblical earth.
Flat Earther logic: Every picture that shows the curve are photoshopped, only the ones that show the earth is flat are unedited.
FAKE GLOBE = The Earth has no curvature, check out the videos on TH-cam: CONVEX EARTH THE DOCUMENTARY / CONVEX EARTH TECHNICAL DATA / Convex Earth youtube channel
Whithout curvature, globe is impossible, it is enough. But GLOBELOIDS take a long time to understand this ..
Flat earthers: "Earth is flat"
Others: *Come up with very good counter argument*
Flat earthers: "Anyway. If you are vaccinated, you are evil"
Exactly.
Yeah, cult-like mindsets do jump to evil pretty quick. Foolish, perhaps, depending on the jab being mentioned, but hardly evil.
Globers always vaguely claim to have "very good counterarguments" but when it comes down to specifics (and it isn't just a video of a glober zealot monologueing without the opportunity for counterarguments from the opposing side like this video) it soon becomes clear the globe side of this debate doesn't have a single non-fallacious argument for their side. There literally aren't ANY examples of independently verifiable observations / experimentation verifying the globe side of the debate over the flat side.
@@lightbeforethetunnel lol ok whatever you say
Vaccination is a completely different topic.
Corona has shown how the federal ministry of health just kept lying to us about the vaccine.
"The vaccine prevents the spread of corona." (6 months later the truth came out that in fact it didn't. Even when vaccinated people can get the virus into their system and then spread it around)
Then: "The vaccine prevents infection." (Few months later again truth came out that in fact it didn't. Vaccinated people still showed symptoms)
But in my experience arguing with globers about vaccines is equally as stupid as arguing with flattards about their idiotic model. After all Americans give their babies, before they turn 1 year old, around 60 doses of vaccines, and claim these have no side effects whatsoever.
And don't get me started on Measles! Morons everywhere...
I am now convinced that the Earth is flat.... I overheard my pet Unicorn, discussing it with my neighbors pet Kraken. They are never wrong.
Never lose your sense of humor Dallas! 😂❤
That's bullshit. Everyone knows krakens lie all the time!
I don't need a Unicorn or a Kraken. I have a Leprechaun... When I asked him if the earth was flat, he said, "To be sure, to be sure!"
@I.M.SofaKingdom Kraken can open a jar.
Flat Esther's can't.
Jars are round.
They prefer pizza.
I asked the loch ness monster one time and he just kinda dissapeared. Never got that awnser from him.
I got drunk on the beach next to a major port and while watching a massive cruise ship leave I noticed that the bottom part of the ship disappeared while I could still clearly see the upper decks. Even in a drunken state I was in it occurred to me that this happens at all major ports and the clowns arguing the earth is flat just need a case of beer and a sunny clear day and they can see it with they're own eyes
Get a pair of binos or a telescope you'll see it again.....
@@fununderthesun3209 have u done it?
@@fununderthesun3209 I've been to the coast, I've tried just that, you will in fact not magically see it again, because there's a planet in the way
@@shadowx3benz117 well get stronger magnification and it will come back to view.
@@fununderthesun3209 no, it won't. Try it yourself, I have, now it's your turn. No amount of magnification will once it's really past the horizon.
We live in a social media world where reality, evidence and reason can, apparently, be overcome by the laughter emoticon.
"My opinion is set, don't confuse me with facts!" :P
May the farce be with them.
Thanks for the video. It might have been FTFE or myself. We both debated the same Discord server a few days apart.
Hi toon
I was going to say just this.
Happy Thanksgiving.🦃
Please don't call it a "debate". Call it a discussion, a disagreement, a takedown, a debunking, anything except a debate. A debate implies that there are oppsing opinions and that we are being asked to pick one which we prefer.
@@chrisantoniou4366 a great point. Sometimes I put “debate” in quotes. But, there has never once been a true debate on the topic. You cannot debate facts.
The picture of the horizon with flat bars above and below is brilliant. First time I've seen it. Simple and cheap. I'll have to try it one day but I don't live on a coast.
I don't know what's scarier,
A.) People are still claiming the earth is flat.
OR
B.) People forgot how to define gender.
😂😂😂
Gender is determined through a combination of biological, psychological & so iological factors. Sex is determined solely by biology.
Saying the straight line horizon theory would have to mean the earth is square not a disc is the best thing I've heard in my entire life.
Nice one, but I would be surprised if a flat earther can ever be convinced.
being a Flerf is not about the truth or facts.
it's a mental issue.
At least 2 have been convinced.
@@catauandrei8842 I must admit that I knew of 1 youtuber. Winning the lottery probably has the same odds as convincing.
It would have to have a round ball head
Same to you people. You accept cgi
I can already hear the flerfs going “la la la la” while covering their ears, and ending with “the earth is flat”! 😂
@ena-leone I’ve confirmed it myself that we live on a globe in many different ways, which I’m not going to argue here, so keep on dreaming that you’re right and smarter than every scientist in the world…
The thing is, the curvature of the Earth isn't a mystery. Eratosthenes proved the Earth is a globe with two sticks. Now with almost instantaneous communications and timepieces you can synchronize, it would be easy to replicate what he did across an entire continent.
I've been to the "Bodensee" in southern Germany just a few weeks ago, to me it was the first time I could visibly see the earth "curve away" over the water as the land beyond it was clearly under the very calm surface. Being able to see that with my own eyes was a quite nice experience.
As a person who once REALLY went down the rabbit hole this is hilarious 😂
Glad your talking in past tense. Good for you 👍💪
@@James-lw3gi yeah i was an idiot 😂
@@cantcatchzoom19 Refreshingly candid
And, as you can tell by now, that rabbit hole was filled in with concrete and not as deep as you though.. Their whole arguments are just based on conjecture/speculation. Have you noticed they wouldn't do any of these experiments to prove their claims? They'll just keep moving the goalpost on you. Glad you are back, bro. I keep telling people the whole flat earth stuff is a hoax movement.
What was down there? 🤔
Finally, someone has used the same argument I have often used about seeing a curve or a corner at a high altitude even if the earth is flat. I can't conceive what must be going through the minds of flat earthers, except maybe the wind.
I also question that if FE people are "free thinkers", why do they get so violently angry when you yourself simply ask questions pondering your own experiences. They seem to have some weird agenda I don't get. Now I heard they are saying there is no 02 in the air? Like that seems too much, to me at least. Aggressive denial of things most of us felt made sense b4 ever learning "brainwashed" about them. When I crashed my bike as a kid, gravity made sense, not EM fields or whatever. My point, believe the moon is made of cheese. I don't care. But to aggressively attack centuries of human logic & thought just seems in bad faith. I lost my point sorry. Peace
Minds?
They have minds?
News to me!
@@Iluvantir I know I'm gonna det hate for this statement. The flat earthers aren't a threat, to science, anyone who understands basic physics. They are a threat to Durr people, but the "Durr's" will always get caught up in jingling keys-hey I like that too, mentality. I really, really, don't want to go political, but I moved from America to Austria after 27 years & the biggest "Durr", knuckle dragger out there is about to destroy the American experiment, leaving Europe to, now as we speak, up their military power. Yes I live in a neutral country who happens to make some of the best hand held fire arms in the world, but till now our Army was mainly to rescue hikers, act like they're doing something at the wide open borders. Now, as the the Existential terror grips all European countries, keep messing with the lil idiots, but remember nothing short of the future of the West is at hand. Germany, who after paying crippling reparations after WWII & later swore to never have nuclear weapons & went as far as to say no more nuclear power bc it could be used, I don't need to explain this. Germany; Austria, Switzerland (the last 2 neutral) are making military plans to deal with Orange T if he is elected. Why? 1) Tr*mp gives Ukraine to Russia, either passively or actively. 2)Russia, now having to make up for 1 of History's biggest blunders, will take Latvia, Estonia all the countries that are now only safe bc America Gave It's WORD to protect them if they stay Democracies. If Poland falls, Putin has Europe tied up in a mess that will make us all wish of the days where Global Warming or Earthquakes or School Shootings were barely an afterthought. That means who is left for America to trade with? I'll let Y'all do your own research. Please don't take this as an attack on you, I agree with everything you said, flat earthers-dumb, Period. I'm having panic attacks as I'm 1 Country away from Ukraine. Peace, I promise this was not an attack, more an actually panic attack caught on type. Peace, love Science & respect. If you feel slighted respond bc many have had to to make me able to make this my calm comment. Again not this comment, just in general lately. I'm sorry, too long, went too dark, I'm really sorry
@@Iluvantir I'm so sorry you had to take that blow. I'm an Assh*le for putting it on your comment. I just read a comment that to me, in 3 succinct sentences screamed critical thinker & I dumped my purse all over your reply section. I've been at this all evening with some real knuckle draggers who told me Ukraine is Russia. I humbly ask for your forgiveness, friendly fire, full stop. Peace
They can't feel the wind with their heads so far up their asses.
I'm afraid, my friend, what's in their minds is something much browner.
I never understood the "but you can't see the curvature" argument, YES! YES I CAN SEE IT! I feel like I'm going insane everytime I see people from both sides acknoledging that you can't see the curvature on the horizon when I can clearly see it
It’s an intuitive assumption that arises from the spheres we handle routinely; we’ve played with balls since we were kids and associate visible curvature with spheres.
th-cam.com/video/J7RwAcL4Iq0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=i_CwdIBHzfrPsifv
Neil says you can't. 🤷🏽♂️
I just watch and read they comment as a joke because every theory flat earther think it doesn't make any sense at all. I just watch them as entertainment
When you think about I could make a light novel and make every theory they make become exist in that novel or make a light novel where everyone believe earth is flat but it globe and the main character try to proof them wrong
It's easy to see the curvature at the beach if you put something that you know is straight and level, like a balcony rail, in front.
I always ask them, “ many people “around” the world believe your theory”🤣
Eh, you can go around a dinner plate.
that isn't a question
Great job to come up with new arguments after so many debunking videos!!!
Epic! I love when they disprove their own hypocrisy
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
The horizon itself is proof the Earth is a sphere. If the Earth was flat, there wouldn't be a horizon. The Earth would look as if it continued to rise in the distance.
It's been said that airplanes have to keep adjusting altitude down, which technically is true. If an airplane flew in an aboslutely straight and flat line, it would follow a tangent line into space.
However, on a flat Earth model, for a plane to go East, the plane would have to constantly adjust to the left which is extremely ironic.
If the Earth were actually flat, cats would have knocked everything off by now.
Smartest family in texas
That's what I always face my belief of the Earth being round on.
Very smart! How old are you? I cant even smile...
167 flat earthers didn't liked this video. Great job Dave :)
I think that's all of them!! 🤣🤣🤣🌍🌎🌏
I have a theory.
Flat earthers have flat brains.
I have a Theory too, you lost your Brain.
The outback town of Cook, South Australia. In the middle of nowhere. You can look without interference at a curved horizon.
They think earth is so small that they should see a curve. They dont perceive size well, which is why they think the sun and moon are small. I mean, they probably have a lot of experience with small balls
Flatties all seem to have a problem comprehending the scale of reality.
Showing something obvious to flerfs. Well done.
@ena-leone is that why you are to chicken to have any answers to them?
Very good point about a disk would have a curved horizon as well. I created a disk in Blender just to check because this is the best argument ever, I need to see this. And yup exactly like you said. Thanks!
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
You're arguing for the truth.
They're arguing for their preference.
It usually goes:
FE: "Looks flat to me, so it must be flat."
Normal Person: "But I can see a very slight curve..."
FE: "Fisheye lens!"
Normal Person: "... with my eyes when compared to that straight line."
FE: "It looks curved because our eyes are round."
🤷♀
Where do you see a slight curve?
Curved water too? Where?
Cavemen 200,000 years ago: Earth look flat, therefore flat.
Flat-Earthers in 2022: Earth look flat , therefore flat.
My conversations usually go like this, can you show me one real picture of what we live on? They then proceed to grab a CGI picture off of the net. Then I say, that's CGI, and they then proceed to say it has to be CGI it's impossiBAAL to show you an actual real time picture.
@@faithismespeaks6848 So when I say "1972 Blue Marble" are you gonna tell me its CGI?
@@JSSTyger , Yes, the blue marble was shown to be fake a long time ago, and you're going with that crap? Pretty weak.
the fact we even HAVE a horizon disproves flat earth.
On a flat earth, you'd easily be able to see south america from africa. you'd easily be able to see australia from africa. No such thing has ever been possible.
Ah, but you see, flat earthers take your puny "evidence that literally everyone on Earth can see with their own two eyes" and reject it. They reject it by...literally just making shit up, and also by completely misrepresenting/misunderstanding basic facts.
well fog exist so thechnicly you still couldn't see it
@@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT Ah, the fog hypothesis. How about you test that belief?
Thank you so much for this! This is exactly what I have been looking for! I love how you stick to the facts and do no further extrapolations. Thank you so much for this!
Here's a really good channel that picks apart just about every flat earth claim and does it with great humour. www.youtube.com/@CoolHardLogic
@@digberttumbleweed6413 I have looked at his stuff sometimes. I do like his explanations. Sadly he works for me but I can’t share him with anyone I would like to because he finds them so ridiculous and laughable. Fun to watch, but not exactly helpful for debating.
So you're saying that the earth is indeed a flat surface
@ena-leone Explaining science in an easy to understand way
@There is zero pictures of earth from space.
Only in your dreams. Lol
If earth is flat, cats would have pushed all off it. 🙀😽
That is effen hilarious! 😂😂oh, I'm dying here🤣🤣🤣I think I just peed myself😮
@@I.M.SofaKingdom first sign of bot
I swear you globers are dumb. Why do you think cats go missing? They fell off the edge, duh! NASA doesn't want you to know that!
My favorite flat earth theory came from my son's friend. According to him planes flying around the world "space jump" from one side to the other. I never laughed so hard.
Lol what 😂
So, if you're inside the plane, looking out of the window, what you can see, it's like warping through a Stargate/Teleporter!?
I honestly did not know that... 😅
Ngl it's faster
God said it's fact so unless you don't believe in God and you also believe we came from monkeys then good job cuz I didn't come from a monkey I came from God
@@harbingersofjesuschrist473 Where did God say that ? Also what is God actually ?
The weather balloon analogy took the W over flat earthers lol I've been thinking that for so long
What
Dave McKeegan, you've earned yourself a subscription from me! Your refreshing back-to-the-roots look at the Flat Earth phenomenon is what most FE debunkers are missing these days, including FTFE and SciManDan. This single video of yours totally ANNIHILATES the whole FE movement in one fell swoop!
Do you really believe that?
@Witsit Gets It one thing I do know ..your well educated very articulate and obviously know every philosophical fallacy in the book , but what I know for an absolute fact listening to you is that you do NOT believe the earth is flat . So keep on sponging of TH-cam for a cheap buck
@@Witsit it's not a question of belief. That's what this video does.
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
@@Witsit all you have to do to prove a flat earth is provide a single measurement and a functioning map. If you can't do that then the earth is not flat. In the meantime the globe earth measurements and maps all work which only happens if we live on a globe. Game. Set. Match.
After trying to discuss with flat earthers and other conspiracy thinkers I have ended on the conclusion that the quote is not only very precise, it is extremely fitting:
"Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience" - Mark Twain
We flat earthers feel the same about globers, mostly because they keep trying to squeeze the two theories into one which is utterly ridiculous. Both theories work well but cannot be combined as they are based on completely different observations.
@@lagomorphia9
I have never and will never try to fit a flat earth hypothesis into a spherical globe theory.
Have you ever wondered why the earth is the only flat object in the universe according to your believes?
Clearly you can see Mars, Jupiter and Saturn with a pair of binoculars....they are all round. You don't need to believe me saying this...go out and look for yourself.
Venus you can simply see with the bare eyes....it is round.
Why should the earth be flat?
And a very intriguing question is what is on the OTHER side of the earth if it is flat?
Like on a coin, there is a reverse side...what is there?
It doesn't take much to understand that the flat earth hypothesis (because it is NOT a theory) is wrong.
I have been working within natural science and cartography for over 30 years and there is nothing in the flat earth hypothesis that adds up. It is basically lots of different suiting evidence, but put together it doesn't hold water.
Even the old Egyptians calculated the circumference of a spherical globe down to a few miles error.
We have known that the earth is a sphere for more that 4000 years.
It is however correct that earth is not a PERFECT sphere....circumference measured around the equator is slightly longer then measured across the poles and this is due to the centrifugal force that arises from the rotation of the earth. This does not mean that the earth is flat, it is just not a perfect sphere.
I have heard that within the flat earth society some people denies that we have satellites in orbit around the earth.
If that was thru why can I calculate the delay time on a phone call between US an Europe. And how does a satellite telephone work at all out in the wilderness miles and miles away from the nearest antenna station, where you clearly have no reception on you mobile....how is the satellite telephone working....and how is GPS, Galileo and other positioning system working.
Sorry, but you need to read some books, acquire some knowledge and get out of the echo chamber on internet.
@@lagomorphia9 😂😂😂
@@lagomorphia9Okay i’ll show you why flat earth is absolute garbage. "You think the sky is blue? No it isnt sky isnt blue you think sky is blue because anime characters are actually reptiloids and they make you think that sky is blue for no reason. In reality sky is red and nothing other exist on earth. There’s no arguments you can use. I said sky isnt blue, its red and my theory is better than yours. Youre dumb if you think sky is blue"
@@lagomorphia9 The hallmark of a good scientific theory is that it is consistent with other well established theories.
Also, flerfers don't seem to understand what it means for something to be called a theory in a scientific context. A theory is the highest level, theories do not get 'proven' into facts, hypothesis get proven into theories. All the 'laws' of physics and thermodynamics are theories.
One of my favourite videos is of Prof Brian Cox taking a flight in an RAF jet and flying towards the setting sun at a location where the Earths rotational speed is just around 600Mph (yes flat Earthers the Earth has different rotational speeds) and he watched the setting sun rising back up over the horizon, he was flying faster than the Earths rotation at that point. It was beautiful. Oh and why Earth is a ball, - Gravity. :)
@@allsouls5997 Not one thing that channel has posted does what you claim. He resorts to censorship while fleeing from the facts of measurement and maps just like you do in every thread here. You have no measurement and no functioning map for a fe thus the earth is not flat. The globe earth measurements and maps all work confirming the globe.
you can try,but you never find any curvature man!
You didnt watch the video its literally in the video numbnuts
Looking at it right now.
Maybe you should tell sailors that since they have been using it to navigate for hundreds of years.
I was sitting on a verandah of a house on the east coast of Tasmania. The verandah had a horizontal balustrade. Sitting with my eye at the level of the horizontal balustrade, I could easily see the horizon was curved,
the horizon can never have curve, the simple reason, each direction you look in will be the same distance away from you....that's why it appears, and is, perfectly flat. fact.
According to flat Earthers, Tasmania doesn't exist.
@@chrisantoniou4366 And here I was sitting on a veranda chair in the non-existing Tasmania, watching the sun apparently going the wrong way, according to my northern hemisphere-influenced expectations.. easily explained by the earth being a sphere, and instead usually denied by flat earthers. Strange people.. 🙂
@@tohaason Strange and sad. Imagine disbelieving all you see, and reducing the entire Universe as just lights on a dome... 🙄
This is an illusion of the eye as your eyeball is also a curved lens. The eye itself is a ball , aka eyeball, therefore anything being viewed through the lens of a spherical view will appear spherical.
When I see bluebottles bumping into glass window panes, I think, 'don't these flat earthers ever give up?!' So I open the window, and let them discover that there's a whole frigging flat universe out there.
I wish there was a way to have a normal conversation with flat earthers
It's impossible they are in a cult and are programmed, Once they escape you can for example STST and Ranty.
A flat earther who is open to a normal conversation won't be a flat earther for long. They can only hold on to their arguments if they ignore or shout over every of your explanations and jump to their next faulty flat earth "proof".
@@HarveyHirdHarmonics exactly that's what happened to STST he stated listening to the debunkers and realised flatopia was impossible.
@@HarveyHirdHarmonics if you put forward the absurd arguments of the global world, anyone who thinks rationally will do it, not just flat earthers
You can start by educating yourself
What’s fun is to ask flat earthers “how can I fly around the earth and back without turning?” And watch them stutter and be confused
And asking where the water goes too!! Also, they love the thought of penguin soldiers, guarding the ice wall that no one has come across yet!!
Apparently some believe in a "pac man effect" where tou blip back to the other side. It astounds me the bullshit flat earthers will believe instead of just acknowledging a concept that has been common knowledge for centuries.
Also fun to ask is them explaining the equator and timezones on a flat earth. Funny thing is they can't, since both aren't a think on a flat earth.
@@samanthafairweather9186 It would also be hilarious if you ask them to apply for a job in Antarctica since "the government" have literal websites for it
@@nickdentoom1173 No they definitely can. They don't know how to do it until you ask them, but they can definitely answer that. Flat earth people always have some ad hoc response to whatever evidence you may present to them.
We went to the gdamn moon we know what the earth looks like. Thankfully flatearth has a expiration date with space and moon tourism coming in the next decades
Fantasy and science fiction. You’ve been programmed to believe in a globe propaganda
@@Globehoax Cool story bro, then prove it
@@Globehoax Could it be possible that you've been programmed by TH-cam flerf con men?
The fact that the statement "...an entire discord server of flat earthers" is said in the modern age doesn't give me hope for the species.
That's actually two very good points. Yes, you would see a straight horizon in a disc only when you are at sea level, not from every altitude and place on Earth. And the only way you can get the same distance to horizon wherever you are is, with a sphere. The disc as per definition, has an edge
There is no edge, y'all fools. Its a wall of ice.
Guarded by killer imperial penguins.
@@jwwalker688 Can't tell if your joking heavily or just plain stupid since flat earthers say stuff like this unironically
@@NoNNNNN the imperial penguins should be the clue.
@@jwwalker688 that's a good point..... Where is the ice wall in these flerf vids!?
Dave I just found your channel today. I love your videos! Thank you for taking the time to try to end this idiocy! 🙌🏼
@@allsouls5997 nope. Not one thing he has ever shared has refuted anything concerning the globe. The fact that measurement confirms the globe and globe earth maps work is all it takes to show the earth is a globe. In the meantime you can't even provide a single measurement or functioning fe map to support you. Game. Set. Match.
@@Requiem4aDr3AmI love entering a thread and seeing a flerf deleted their comment out of pure shame
@@l-l hehe yeah it's fun when they do that. It's even more fun though when they have done that and you find them in another thread trying to say the same thing and then they leave the entire video when you catch them again.
Best argument bar none. Heard hundreds of elaborate proofs before. Simplicity is most eloquent in a theory!
A theory doesn’t prove anything, just like all the heliocentric big bang cosmology has is theories, there’s nothing in the way of a practical demonstration to prove any of the claims involved in any of it, go see if you can make a large body of water curve on its surface, if the earth was a globe then all bodies of water on it would have curvature on its surface, yet not one person has demonstrated this, in fact it’s been the opposite, water finds level, a straight line, horizontal like why the horizon is called the horizon
I just saw a video that used the original proof illustrated by a piece of cardboard and two sticks. It was nice. This is better.
The best argument, is the earth ain't flat.
... hell, my back yard isn't even flat 😂
Yeah its flat pretty simple
@@chadwickeli11 no it isn't. We can measure and confirm curvature. You can't even provide a functioning map.
What ?? A basket ball is a sphere??? Surely every one knows a basketball is flat..
yeah i think you need a pump *hands you pump* there you go
I'll be honest, I know this isn't remotely the point of the video, but when I first opened it up, I thought you were playing with your girlfriends hair, who was inexplicably sitting on the floor just off camera. In a millisecond I thought "What a strange dynamic, are they in a dom/sub relationship and this is just how his videos play out, but he focuses on debunking... oh, it's his dog. That makes sense."
Haha, he insists on sitting with me whenever I sit down
🤣🤣🤣......... 🐕
it looks like the only way to convince flerfers is to actually take them on one of those space travels. So they can see for themselves. Wait, maybe that was always their goal, a free trip to outer space lol
Stuff 'em! They would deny the experience. Send me instead!
They'd think of something. Like curved windows or they'd been spiked with drugs.
To be honest if it gave me a free trip into space I may well consider trying to pretend I am a Flat Earther.... Not sure how long I could keep the pretence up, but I would at least try!!!
Even if they were convinced, every other flat earther would immediately declare them compromised and say that they were being paid by NASA, or that the gumm'int placed false memories in their head or somesuch.. there's no way to reaason someone out of an viewpoint that they didn't reason themselves into.
I think when they would ask Baumgartner jumping from 39 km high … I bet he could tell them that there is no flat Earth
How’d he know. He can only see the land below
I am a merchant marine half of my life, in my 22 years of sailing, Pacific, Atlantic Indian Ocean, sailed from east to west direction and vice versa, north to south, south to north and every direction there is, but never I reach a wall just as what they believe.
I had that exact same thought during a shower, in my head i used a whole pizza instead of a pizza tray.
Thanks for the Video and explaining it so even Flat Earthers could understand (even though they will probably not listen)