Flat Earthers fail to factor how HUGE the Universe is ...
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Flat Earthers claim Earth can't be moving through space as the stars that we see each night should change ... time to debunk it
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Latitude, how is 1 degree measured in physical reality angle 📐
@@Dj1deck what does that have to do with Atlas VPN?
@@hartmutholzgraefe don’t worry yourself just keep trying to prove the globe while I debunk you
@@Dj1deck debunk what specifically? You just asked a weird question so far, as a sub-comment reply to a totally unrelated top level comment.
There are actually many different methods to measure latitude, so which one are you referring to? It can for example be measured using a Foucaults Pendulum, although using a Sextand and an artificial horizon is going to give you a more precise result in a much shorter time.
@@hartmutholzgraefe good lad so you’ll be measuring elevation angles from earth using the horizon, not the artificial horizon, that’s not real, tell us again why aren’t you using your earth curve to measure latitude?
To (roughly) quote Professor Dave: "I'm sorry that astronomical phenomena don't conform to your lifespan".
this is guile, there is objective evidence of a century ago about the presence of all the stars in exactly the same places.
@@rebornbrain yeah a century isn't that long lol
@@rebornbrain It's like a mayfly noticing that none of the trees have moved.
@@rebornbrain Your comment is the perfect example of you still not understanding how big our galaxy is.
@@rebornbrain yes because 1 as said in the video the distances are stupidly vast and 2 all the starts are moving in the same general direction we are so no surprise that there is little to no change
To be honest even when you do know the size of the observable Universe it is still difficult to get your head around the huge numbers involved.
It's true it's hard to comprehend, but that's why it's meaningful to be able to use math to get a better sense of how things would behave in our sky based on their distances from us.
@@GlobeKrusha Got even the slightest scrap of evidence for your continuing derp? 🤡 #GottaLieToFlerf ©2023 MCToon ID ,ten ,T
@@GlobeKrusha lol. Classic dirt pizza believer commentary.
@@GlobeKrusha So is your channel name deliberate irony? The idea of you "crushing" anything is too ridiculous to contemplate.
And "heresy"? So you are a Bible literalist? Yeah, makes sense, they are the most deluded flerfs of the lot! Ignore facts, ignore reality and base your beliefs about science on an old book written by people who didn't know any science.
@@GlobeKrusha
Put effort into actual education.
I used to be amazed about how big space truly is, that is until I saw how much space there was between the ears of flerfs.
Burn!
That's the most EMPTY joke I've ever read on TH-cam wow, props man 👏
Very good comparison, but also imagine the lonely single brain cell bouncing around in all that space 😢
I was a flat earther for 3 years then I turned 4
Legendary comment
@@cuckholdsimulator1176 everyone says this on flat earth videos.
You are still watching (and believing)cartoons though? How's the tooth faerie?
😂and that's when the brainwashing began. No judgement, it happened to me as well. Finally after researching and doing my own experiments I am waking up to the truth. Oceans don't curve around a ball anywhere...I do know that 😮
@@justone234 FR?
I'm going to generalize a statement you made: "when flat Earthers say X, they probably aren't taking into account Y". It's a universal truth.
Yes but that goes for *most* people who are not experts or at least thoroughly educated in X =)
And when fairytale disney paedo glow baall fanbois and gulls factor either x or y, they don't realise their z is co- dependant also.
@@ponypapa6785 Good point. I guess the difference is, most people who aren't educated in X admit their lack of knowledge instead of doubling down :)
@@robadams1645 true
I'm going to have to review MC Toon's 10 laws of Flerfing to see if that's in there. Cuz if it isn't, it should be!
To be fair, most people have trouble comprehending how mind bending massively huge the universe is.
When I learned this, it absolutely floored me.
Most people understand that they can't comprehend massive distances of the universe.
Frattards can't understan bigger numbers than 3.
True, but most people comprehend that its large enough that stars wouldn't constantly change in the night sky
@@XtreeM_FaiL You're giving the flerther way too many credit by saying that they can count more numbers than Valve.
_“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.”_
(Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy)
The scale of the known Universe is staggering and we are privledged to live at a time of that man's understanding of this size is just coming into focus. But still lets not loose sight of that fact that there is one object known to be larger. Your Mom.
Hmm flerfs and scale reminded me of this quote from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
“the mighty ships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the first planet they came across - which happened to be the Earth - where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog.”
Well... let's just face it. Small dogs are infamous for causing trouble... like swallowing entire battle fleets, for example.
Dave’s springer spaniel, no doubt
One thing to blow their minds:
Considering the dimensions of the whole universe, light speed is extremly slow.
Sunlight takes more than 8 minutes to reach Earth, while considering the whole universe, our entire galaxy is occupying just a little spec of space.
If you could see all universe at the same time, everything wouldn't look moving at all.
Can you prove anythig you said.... no. You are just another sheeple repeating fairytales
Wow. This blew my mind too, and I am not even a flat earther
I've always loved the romantic view of astronomy. The distances are so vast that the light takes an incredible amount of time to reach us. What we see from stars is not what is happening, but actually what happened many years ago and is only becoming visible to us now. When you look up at the night sky, you are quite literally seeing the past.
@@aden538 You have unwittingly admitted to holding a religious view of astronomy and are enamored with the 'ROMANCE " of the thing.
You have declared yourself to be a religious fanatic and have accepted all of the doctrines of SCUENTISM without evidence much less prof. You are an antiscience toadie and it will cost you your soul
glad you remember kindergarden so well...how is the tooth faerie?
As Douglas Adams put it in the HHGTTG: "Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space."
aww you beat me to it. I've just quoted it myself then I saw this
Yeah, me too :)
Tbh I was scrolling the comments to look for this
Currently rereading this series, love it
@@hesiyyn4880 Yeah, same here.
I've always thought that was an excellent way to put it. the Hitch-hikers series books are brilliant.
I mean we know from archaeological and historical records (if for some reason you don't agree with math) that Polaris wasn't always the North star, so kinda hard to argue that it doesn't move.
Right, and even that is caused by earth's precession, not the distance or the speed with which we move through the universe.
It still needs many lifespans to visibly move. The magnetic north pole moves faster … 😁
@@lenonkitchens7727 Exactly. And after Polaris has made one revolution it'll come back to the (almost) same place again
If you look at Astrolabes (typically from the 15th century and earlier) you can see that the star positions marked don't correspond to current positions by a LOT.
In fact, the signs of the Zodiac are about a whole month off from where they were when they were first settled. The corresponding constellations are no longer in their 'star sign'.
He said we won't notice in our lifetimes, he also didn't talk about the wobble creating the 18° to 23° axial tilt changes. Polaris isn't what moved, where the actual pole points that creates the center of the spin, is what changes more.
I like your videos much more than other similar channels because yours is not just stupid bickering reaction videos. You take a question or misunderstanding and you correct it through education. Keep up the good work. Don't debate, don't react, don't call names, just educate. This is high quality content.
Even though I'm on the opposite ball park, I had to pass you a like just because you didn't even drop a breadcrumb, for us FE truthers to react. But I think I might haul this crusade for this feed for now.
@@GlobeKrusha can't tell if ur a flerther or not
@@GlobeKrusha you haven't fell for flat earth have you?
lol, a starwars fan thanking dave for helping him pretend "space" exists.
@@maxlevel1489 how can space NOT exist? its space. What is filling the space for it to not be space?🤦♂️
Go buy a good telescope you inbred dunce
"Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space."
Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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I see this everywhere
They can't comprehend scale in any context, even their own "models" that don't follow their own rules.
like heavenly drunken/wasted guy figuring how does shoe laces work
@@GlobeKrusha lol
This reply is CGI
@@GlobeKrusha *_"FER'S work from what's the most closest and attainable, rather than the establishment reconfiguring stats to maintain the suited narrative (li€) from beyond abroad."_*
Flat earthers need to learn about metrology and error tolerance. You claim that "reconfiguring" is used to maintain a narrative, but unless flat earth puts forth something that is more accurate than the globe model, it is less than useless. All of our knowledge has progressed from having ideas about how things might be and comparing those ideas to how well they fit reality. So...if you wait to claim that the globe is "wrong" the *very least* you need to do is put up a flat earth model that is _more accurate_ than the current knowledge shows in _more situations_ than current is explained.
Commercial flights, like QANTAS Flight 28 (Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia so against jet stream and prevailing winds) when taken in aggregate can show the Earth's shape. Commerce only cares about the shape of the earth insofar as they can reduce their time and expenses to move things around. So it isn't just science that shows flat earth is less accurate, it's commerce as well.
Do what other flat earthers have refused to do for years now....put forward a flat earth model. Flat earther's before then tried, but their models were shown to be less accurate that the globe and that's what happened throughout history. If you aren't willing to do that, then all you are doing is wasting other people's time.
@@AaronCook83 Ye and there is wires everywhere😂
I love how even Dr stone tackled the northern start and in the show it threw him off going true north because he forgot its been nearly 4k years and the star has shifted! Even anime gets this right guys....
Was about to Post this lol.
@@snekdude6677 i mean, it was litterally a educational Anime, and the bible is Just an old book.
@@snekdude6677 also, thats Not how Evolution works
@@snekdude6677
1/ Nobody ever said we came from rocks. Organic has always been organic, inorganic has always been inorganic. Only dumdums like you keep coming up with these silly shortcuts.
2/ You should not criticize any anime (or anything else, really) when you base your entire world view on a book that glorifies p&dophilia, slavery and genocides.
Get a life.
@@alexgrimm354 honestly,i've found more scientific misinformation in the bible,dr stone has better explanations of things
We have a scale model of the solar system in my city. The sun is about the size of a basketball, and the inner planets are little pin points on plaques on top of pedestals. The first 3 planets are fairly close to the “sun”
The cool thing is that everything is to scale so the orb representing the sun looks to be about the same size as the real sun when you stand at the earth plaque.
The outer planets are barely within walking distance from the sun, and you have to drive to the Pluto plaque which is a couple miles away
That's actually awesome, what city is that mate?
Crystal Lake, Il
Added this to my bucket list I definitely wanna go visit this
My country is a scale model of the solar system
@@jayebuss5562 There are a number of such around the world. Wikipedia has a list under article "Solar System Model". I have visited the one in my city (Helsinki/Espoo, Finland) a number of times. It is a lengthy bike ride to visit all the planets, but fun. The Sun is 1.4 m in diameter, putting the furthest planet about 6-7 kilometers away, but because the planets aren't in a single line, it is something more like 15 km to visit all, 30 km total to-from my home.
If you ever think that flerfers are not "that dumb" consider that they genuinely CANNOT GRASP THIS SIMPLE CONCEPT- even when they can easily observe that when travelling on the road at a particular speed with other vehicles doing the same speed, that they do not appear to move in relation to them- even at a few feet away. Even when they can drive past a mountain 20 miles away and easily observe that it takes quite a while for it to appear to move in relation to them.
Flerfers lol
Flattards
Good comment. Good points.
Similarly, I dismiss flat earthers when I consider that a flat earth model can not even explain what a sunset is.
@@UTU49 "angular resolution"
I think a big part of the problem is that while you or I would be looking out the window observing those things, they were staring at their phones and have never seen any of it.
Things to note. The constellations (including Polaris) have changed over time, and this is a known phenomenon. I do believe we've even got records showing some of these shifts by how the constellations have been drawn over the ages.
The procession of the equinoxes have been observed over many thousands of years, but shifts in the constellations takes much much longer, I'm not sure it has been observed before the telescope was invented.
Yeah, differences in drawings of constellations are more likely down to humans not being great at drawing things perfectly.
If every depiction of the same constellation shifted over every depiction in the same way over time, then you might have a point.
A more likely thing is if a star either was born and its light started to reach us at some point in an existing constellation, or one dying and the last of its light reaching us. Both of those are rare, though some nova events have been historically recorded.
Yes. Ancient Chinese astronomical charts shows the constellations slightly different than today.
Yeah its true ,my grandgrandfather has told me that our monkey ancestors have seen other stars about 1 million years ago and everything they have write in stones and this stones have my uncle. Facts are Globe .🌍
@@eros.1989 Your ancestors are monkeys? First of all - congratulations on actually posting on YT. Second - explains a lot about your explanation.
I'm sure that your dog is saying "why are you try to educate the unteachable... just pet me instead..."
I didn't know his dog is an Asian breed. Hence why his name is only a 3 digit alphanumeric word.
@@GlobeKrusha What does that have to do with anything?
@@GlobeKrusha Showing your true colours!
@@RazgrizXMG0079 That coincidences are all binding, even when they're considerably clashing.
Another interesting topic is to realize just how EMPTY our solar system truly is. Scale comparisons always show the planets aligned, but that is a very rare occurrence. When we realize that the planets are not only tiny specks spaced apart by the vast distances within our solar system, we must also take into consideration that those distances are further exaggerated by their scattered positions along their orbits. There is a WHOLE LOT OF NOTHING among the few lonely objects circling the Sun.
Yes, every time I see a scifi movie where two or more asteroids are within visible range of a space ship at the same time I actually cringe a little bit inside. (Yes, Star Wars, I'm especially looking at you here!)
@@hartmutholzgraefe IIRC, I read that even if you combined all of the objects in the asteroid belt, it would only be 4% the mass of the moon.
@@hartmutholzgraefe you don't need to cringe, star wars isn't an accurate representation of our universe, it's fantasy with it's roots on science, it would be pretty boring if it was to scale
Ponder this. The empty space witching the electron orbits of an atom and then the empty space between the atoms themselves means that the vast majority of that solid wood table in your dining room (and every thing else in the physical realm) is empty space.
I recently learned that in Czech Republic there is a place (a park or something like that) with a route "inside" the solar system - it's kind of model where throughout the park are scattered planet models. This is all to scale (both planet sizes and their distances) and the largest ones seems to be the size of a football, maybe basketball. The tour along all the planets is over 6 kilometers long. That is for nice demonstration of the distances.
Such "Plant paths" became quite common in recent years / decades, I have two of them within 50km by now :)
@@hartmutholzgraefe Yeah I didn't expect it to be unique. I just remembered roughly the dimensions as recently we were thinking about visiting it to show our kids and realizing that the path is too long for them :D
There is one in Helsinki too
You think that’s nuts? If you scaled the sun down to the size of a large spec of dust, the earth would be 1 centimeter, or ~0.4 inches, away from it. The farthest edge of the Oort Cloud, which surrounds our star, would be a kilometer away, or ~0.6 miles. And that edge? About one fourth of the distance between our sun and the nearest star. It’s so far away, you can basically start measuring in light years. If anything makes you feel small, it’s scale models like that. Still difficult to wrap your brain around, but it gives you a good idea.
I ride frequently along one.
It's 17km long and it even has microplanets like Eris and Sedna and a few moons of each planet.
On a bike a trip from Sun to Pluto takes only 20 minutes or less.
I honestly still can’t really wrap my head around the vast distances that are at play in the universe
I cant wrap my head people think the world is flat in 2023.
That’s because it’s fantasy land. 😊
Yeah, you can guess the distances are huge, but the exact scale is basically impossible... An example of this is, the moon is also very far away, how far away? Enough so you can fit every planet of the solar systems between the two and there'll still be some space left, every single one... And we perceive it as "close" hahaha
Don't worry about the unattainable so called big matters of mass, worry about the subatomic bio warfare substances deployed onto the vast general mass. Noticed how many of your Hollywood celebrities are either purportingly dying off in mass waves, OR being arrested for being on the flight list to where nuclear scaled white rabbits are being consumed😔.
Don't worry about the unattainable so called big matters of mass, worry about the subatomic bio warfare substances deployed onto the vast general mass. Noticed how many of your Hollywood celebrities are either purportingly dying off in mass waves, OR being arrested for being on the flight list to where nuclear scaled white rabbits are being consumed😔.
"And it is hard to wrap your head around such big numbers..."
Flerfers have a hard time wrapping their heads around tying their shoelaces.
You would too, if you actually owned a few adidas sneakers with its thick corded laces.
@@GlobeKrusha Point proven!
I wonder whether flerfs also struggle with the incomprehensible complexity of velcro. They all must have very patient, understanding, compassionate mothers... and comfortable basements.
Good thing Velcro has one or 2 laces.
Ba-doom tsh
I think the dog was bored because it already knew all this stuff.
It may be already hard enough to wrap your head around the mind-boggling scale of the universe but it's even harder to wrap your head around why flat earthers actually think they're correct
There are two things human brains can't comprehend:
Scale of the universe
Flat earthers
For the first time in my life I've been watching a lot of flat earthers' videos. They are simply stupid people who want to believe they are independent and courageous thinkers. I think most of them have some sort of pre-frontal cortex lesions.
If you are travelling 70mph, and everyone around you is travelling at 70mph, you are not on the M25.
nice
Flat earthers be like “the universe is 4 light years wide and earth is in the center of it”
Which is hilarious, because Flat Earth and Geocentrism are nominally different things. But, when the conspiracy theory is the point, all conspiracies eventually become the same conspiracy.
When people say “I’m a flat earther” they really mean “I can’t comprehend anything beyond my own life experience and if I don’t understand something it must be fake”
POV: looking for comments by flat earthers
The lack of stars movement was one of the arguments against the heliocentric model back in the day. It was one of Brahe's objections to the Copernican system, because he claimed that for astronomers not being able to detect stellar parallax, distances outside the solar system should be so mind boggling they didn't believe it was possible. For reference, the parallax of Alpha Centauri, one of the closest stars, is less than an arcsecond. More information on this Wikipedia article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax#History_of_measurement
Wiki is inaccurate
@@Mastsabuy source. the wiki ahs a source, you dont.
@@Mastsabuy, what is “inaccurate” about that wiki article.
Be specific.
Show your work.
Cite your evidence.
(The wiki article does, surely if you contend it is “inaccurate”, you can do so as well.)
@@Vessekx a lot of people just drop that in, because they heard it somewhere else. To be fair, there is some bad info, on the platform. Not everything, though.
That's actually really interesting. Brahe was not an intellectual pushover, but facing the immensity of the universe, he couldn't help but argue from incredulity. It's fascinating how science has pushed our minds to accommodate scales in time and space that transcend us by so much.
When I was a child I used to wonder why the moon was following me around while I was in a moving car.
same. i remember asking my parents that question as a small child.
That used to drive me crazy.
I asked the same question. It felt magical to me
Flat earthers seems to actually believe that there is a real debate about the shape of the earth.
They don't seem to understand that flat earthers are just entertainment for smarter people.
yes, except "smarter than flat earthers" is achieved by any random monkey
@@victorfinberg8595 Comparing flat earthers to monkeys is incredible offensive - to the monkeys.
@@James_Randis_Spirit It's better to compare the psyche of flat earthers to those of rocks.
me going through the comments to see any flat earthers trying to argue
Same 😂
Same
Same
Lol
It's fake. You can see the strings.
Amateur astronomer here. I've actually presented flat earth types with the documented facts about stellar proper motion. They'll still claim I'm lying.
flattards simply deny anything that disproves their moronic horseshit.
Flat earthers here exhibiting classic human trait of being completely unable to comprehend massive numbers and distances so choosing not to think about them. They're there whether you're willing to accept how small you are in the universe or not.
Slick baloney. Explain how and why the skyline of Chicago is visible from the opposite shore of Lake Michigan. That should be completely impossible if the Earth is curved the way you claim it is.
@@thomasn3882 Love how you pose a question with no specifics so I'm left to assume from which point you're referring to here, especially when the most direct shore opposite of Chicago is only an hours drive away. So I'm left to assume I have to explain why a distance of 60 miles doesn't completely make 1500 feet skyscrapers completely disappear on a 8,000 mile diameter planet. Because apparently basic concepts of angles and elevation are hard.
How about I ask you to look at the evidence presented in the here instead of derailing the conversation with your own? You can ask questions, yet you posit a flat Earth and cannot provide answers or rebuttals for it. Endless questions it appears from your comment history on this channel, often which have nothing to do with the specific topic of the video because you understand the strength of the argument.
@@thomasn3882tell me why chicago appears to be sinking into the ocean
I think David made a very good point about some flat earth believers. I suspect their ego gets in the way; they just can't grasp, in the terms of space and the universe, how infinitesimally small and insignificant they are.
Flat earthers cant comprehend distancing further than 3 miles .
I had a discussion with one the other day. I asked why we cant see Australia from London with a strong telescope if we hoverd above a flat plain at a great enough elevation. He told me that we can't see further than 3 miles and that Australia was trillions of miles away.
O i did have fun with this guy.
Naughty me.
You've met Nathan Oakley then?
Wait Trillions of Miles?? That's Trillions of times greater than the aize of the Earth, does he think the Earth is the size of the bloody Solar System?? And what does he think when people go overseas to fly to other countries like Australia?? Do they just fly at Relativistic speeds or what?? Even though we can see them moving through the sky at a relatively slow pace. (Which is still very fast)
Pro tip: go to comments and sort by "new" to see a bunch of idiots
One thing that helped me to understand my own misconceptions about the size of the solar system was when I found out that all the other planets can easily fit in the space between the earth and the moon. Seriously. I had assumed that Jupiter alone would never fit, but not only can Jupiter fit, but Saturn and it’s rings and the other gas giants as well as mars and Venus and Mercury and there’s even room to spare. When I found that out, my mind was blown.
Another crazy fact about Earth and Moon. The Moon doesn't circle Earth while Earth circles the Sun. Technically, both bodies orbit the sun. Earth and Moon lob each other back-and-forth relative to the sun over 29.5 days. Moon yanks Earth back-and-forth by 3,400 km while Earth throws Moon back-and-forth by about 768,000 km.
Saturn's ring diameter is very close to the Earth-moon Distance.
So when we say that all the planets fit within the space between the earth and the moon it is without their rings.
Which make me realize that all the planets fit within the rings of Saturn's diameter.
I absolutely love how concisely Dave explains things. No condescension whatsoever from him. He just clearly and accurately explains how their beliefs are inaccurate and usually fail to grasp the grand scale of our universe.
tell us who measured any "interstellar" distances? This entire asstronomy show is a fraud
@@yupok318 you do know there are ways to measure distance without physically putting a tape measure on things, right? The only fraud here is your lack of intelligence.
The biggest issue flerfs have is unrealistic expectations. It will always be a stumbling block for them.
I have an example of how badly flat earthers misunderstand scale. I met one in Canada recently who tried to convince me of their views. I mentioned how Polaris (being the North Star) is always visible in the Northern Hemisphere but never visible in the Southern Hemisphere, to which they responded that they have seen it there. I asked where they saw it from and they said the United States and Mexico (which are of course still north).
They couldn’t comprehend that the time it takes to get from Canada to Mexico is not yet the other half of the world.
That is pathetic. Truly.
They will never have any chance of learning anything if they are not even capable of learning what is in each hemisphere.
Flat earthers! Go to Australia, Argentina, or South Africa, and find the northern constellations in the sky. When you can't find them, maybe you'll have the sense to accept that there are things about the world that you don't understand.
Hahah on behalf of sane Canadians, I apologize for that person’s ignorance!! It’s funny tho!
It’s not a misunderstanding of scale, we use the numbers given to us by your lords of science and the numbers don’t work.
One thing I love about space is that it's quite literally incomprehensible how huge it is. You can hear those numbers and see the diagrams, and can understand the scale, but our brains quite literally cannot comprehend the sheer vastness of everything, which is why a lot of people can't accept it as it's literally beyond their capacity of understanding
...And for others it's simply beyond the capacity of their ego to accept how mind-bogglingly inconsequential they are. Or "flerfs" as we like to call them.
@@cargy930 that's not just a flerf issue though. Plenty of flerf adjacents such as geocentrism and young earth creationism also suffer from this condition.
@@mwperk02 Agreed. I merely picked them here because they are the primary target of the video
I also love sometimes when it is explained just right, I get a brief feeling where it seems like I might be close to grasping the sheer scale of it in relation to little old me. Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot" monologue is one of them. Those little moments always fill me with such awe and humility.
This video is so good, thank you for your amazing work !
Fascinating fact : for the solar system to make one revolution around the Milky Way, it takes 230 million years. Since its inception, it has done just under 20 laps.
Only one revolution ago, Pangea and the dinosaurs dominated the world. Three revolutions ago, the Earth was a complete snowball during the Cryogenian period.
Nice facts
Today I wrote a script to simulate the precession of earth in Stellarium. It took more than 20,000 years to bring Polaris back to the celestial north pole, which passed the Swan and Vega in the meantime. But then I wondered ... many constellations looked different compared to today: the Northern Crown had a notch, the Little Dipper got squished, the Big Dipper's tow bar was broken, and Cassiopeia looked no more like a 'W'. Stellarium simulates even that.
Alright, who stepped on the Little Dipper?
@@NoodlesUniverse - _This Corrosion_ (Sisters of Mercy)
I had a cool DOS program that showed you how stellar positions seemed to change if you took in the view from Alpha Centauri, Vega, Sirius, and so on.
If the flat earth earthers paid attention as much as your dog they might learn something…
The retrograde motion of Mars does exactly what they're suggesting we should see as a result of the Earth 'hurtling' through space. (Orbiting the Sun)
Ask them to explain it and you'll get silence.
Or "just a projection"; "just a luminary in the sky"; .... :o
@@hartmutholzgraefe Which still leaves the motion itself unexplained.
@@peterloohunt you know and I know, but for some reason "they" still think they have sort of a point there.
Thinking again I should have put "think" in quotes in the sentence above, too.
@@peterloohuntLook up Ptolomy's model.
Note - The Neo-Tychonian model is the best non-heliocentric model and defended by gsocdntriats such as Dr. Robert Sungenis
@@Truth_Apologetics I know Ptolomy's discredited theory. Sungenis is a liar.
Probably difficult to understand why planets are round if you have a flat brain.
I actually love this channel not just for its flat earth debunking, but more for your way of explaining stuff like this in a way I can wrap my head around. Cheers! (Love the dog, too. Reminds me of a buddy I had many years ago. RIP, Jake.)
If you can "wrap your head around " anything you need an undertaker.
@@yupok318 Your wording is confounding. Is it poor grammar, poor understanding of metaphors, poor ESL training, or poor intelligence? Good luck with that.
@@merkinert3773 grammar corrected.
If you don't believe in gravity climb to the top of the Empire State Building and jump off. You will immediately believe in gravity.
Only if you are a credulous moron.
There is clearly a force that holds us down
but its not caused by mass attracting mass
and NO ONE can demonstrate otherwise.
By your logic eggs come from grocery stores
and since you have only had that experience you are satisfied that your opinion is the last word.
And you call flat earther stupid.
The dog is looking at him and thinking “Why are you trying? You can’t change the mind of idiots”
An average intelligence dog is infinitely smarter than a flerfer. If we could fully communicate to dogs, they'd want to learn, and would listen.
Unga bunga why star no move, it mean earth flat
My favourite kind of debunking video is the kind that teaches you as much as it entertains you.
Classic flat earther problem: Finding an apparent issue but not bothering to crunch the numbers and find out the cold facts. Too much hard work for them.
And the few times that they do try to find the facts they end up proving themselves wrong, all while still denying it. Lol.
(This did happen at some point, it was really funny)
Flerfs don't understand how big the earth is let alone space...
All flat earthers: “Nuh uh!”
I used to be a flat earther...but then I went to pre-school. 😂
Pre-school told us about the 1960s “moon landing” where the astronauts played golf and bounced around like kangaroos!
Flat earthers just don’t get scale. The cow scene in Father Ted still confuses them.
Your avatar is cringeworthy. You look like your on call for the 🚀🍕Lolita 🛩. Correct me if I ' m wrong.
@@GlobeKrusha you’re wrong
@@neilthorpe7650 Sorry that was a tad harsh of me. Though it should rather make you think how lackey-ish, it makes you appear to be, by my opinion. The orange background makes look like a cheap 80's porn film cover, in the bi-arrows section. Just a tad🤏 . 😁
@@GlobeKrusha you spend a lot of time in the bi section?
It's the same concept of driving down the highway past a major city. The dashes on the highway blaze by faster than you can see them, the trees on the side of the road move a tad slower, the electric tower past the trees moves noticeably slower, and the major city line miles away takes minutes to pass by. Now take that city, place it hundreds of thousands of light years away...it takes a LOOOOOOOONG time to notice any movement.
What should also be noted is that the shapes of the constellations actually would change throughout the night if the stars were just lights stuck to a dome. When you view objects close to you at different angles they change shape and this is how the stars would work in their model. Still have yet to hear any explanation for what mechanism is making the stars move in unison every night for that matter.
Oh I’ve got it! Magic!
These fools have literally proposed that everyone has their own "personal dome" of stars that somehow follows them around so that everyone always sees the same the same stars in the same orientation, regardless of where on earth they are. There is no end to their stupidity.
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We were settled on this land 200-250 years ago, only architecture remains from the previous advanced civilization. The invaders would like, but can't destroy, but can't all at once. They tried to write the ruins into history, but in fact it's all a piece of fat shit. The main property of a GMO person who inhabited this dimension ( in the understanding of Poincare - Perelman ) is gullibility, a natural sucker. That's why they used to send rockets by radio and everyone believed. But here's the problem, the existence of a natural sucker is not the creator's plan, but there is a plan for the "civilization of neighbors".
Here's a good model. And a little more.
There are two interesting concepts of secret and mystery. The secret is closed , but can be revealed, transmitted, explained, if desired, but access to the mystery(open) is conditioned by the willingness to perceive it. It is obvious that the transformation of GMO suckers, who are herded by GMO cannibals, has not yet been fully completed, some are simply not ready.
Premise: the dome is real and made of some fantastic material that can span 20,000 miles.
Given such engineering it is trivial to lìne the inside of the dome with an animated hologram.
Such a hologram would be optically indistinguishable from the real thing.
The heliocentric astronomic observation argument is not so robust.
Another flat earth theory kills flat earth theory.
I am literally starting to lose faith in humanity At this point.
A really clear explanation once again. The universe's size is truly mind-boggling. Your dog is really cute!
What they should say (admit) is: "I am incapable of measuring the changing positions of the stars. Has anyone else done it?" But deniers of any scientific fact never admit that others may know know things that they don't.
I think a good analogy for the size of the universe, to a Human an Ant is tiny, and to an Ant a Bacteria would be tiny. But if you take all 3 in relation to the size of the Universe their size differences would suddenly be insignificant.
To the universe the earth and an atom might as well be the same
Thuban was the pole star, not Polaris when the Egyptians started building pyramids. A big change during recorded human history.
Polaris hasn't even been the north star for all of human recorded history
Polaris isn't even 'on' the North Celestial Pole today!
As a point, it will take another 300 years and some change for the first radio signals from Earth to reach Polaris.
Because the stars are so unfathomably far away, and the earth isn't the only thing in the universe that moves.
The only thing more amazing than the scale of the universe, is the love in doggo's eyes when he looks at Dave.
I live in the Southern Hemisphere.. Ive never seen Polaris.. Therefore it doesnt exist.. BAAAHAAA
Kidding, we aim our telescopes true South down here..
You must also reverse the direction of the telescope's drive used to counter the earth's rotation.
The fact that stars _don't_ change during the night means they are sufficiently far away for their relative position to appear fixed, no matter the angle they are viewed from.
Constellations painted on the fish bowl dome would have a different shape depending on the observer's position, and change throughout the night as the dome rotates.
This is a good point. Not only would the sun and moon be changing shape and size if they are close and moving around us, but the constellations would also stretch and contract in the same manner.
I'm sure some flat earther would tell me that the stars are in one of the firmaments, and the sun and the moon occupy separate firmaments though. I've seen some who believe in multiple "heavens" or firmaments.
@@GlobeKrusha would you like some vinaigrette with that word salad?
@@bob_the_bomb4508 I'm provided for. But thanks for your endearing generosity anyway.
@@MrOttopants I've heard flat Earthers say each person gets their own individual firmament that conveniently matches observations made by heliocentrism.
Stars do change and constellations do move, but they’re so slow that it looks stationary.
I’m not vouching for flat Earthers nor backing them up. I just wanted to say that, going back over a million years, the stars are in different positions. It’s just cool to know that everything is so slow that the stars looked different eons ago *and* due to the distance we are literally looking at the past.
Just fascinating scales!
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Dog thoughts:- “Dave, there’s no one here, who are you talking to, I’m worried about you. Stop Dave. Stop Dave………
"GET back in here now!"
"I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that."
Your dog has more understanding of the universe than any Flerfs.
No. His dog can sense that Dave's lying through his teeth. This is why Dave needs to take at least 20 takes, as his dog is ropable and restless for this matter of manner alone.
@@GlobeKrusha Yeah ofcause he is, just like the 99.9 % of the rest uf us non flerfers. We are all lying and you are right. It must be awesome to be that clever, why dont you write a paper about the amazing proof you have. I look forward to see the Nobel prize in your hand. That would really Krusha the Globe "theory".
@@jesperjonsrensen3882 99.9%? 😄😁😆 Just like with your beloved government announcing that 95% of people took the clot shot. A very reliable source of opinionations.
@@GlobeKrusha Dude. You are making your self look stupid. Better stay in your strange alternative world and keep quiet about it. Its a bit cringe. Wish you all the best.
@@GlobeKrushaNice deflection, get some thicker skin and don't let words hurt your little feelings
Always fascinating to see the distances to scale. The polar alignment reticle on SkyWatrcher Equatorial mounts shows the changing position of Polaris in coming decades.
Astronomy software also has proper motion which accounts for the constant changes in the star positions.
It depresses me that there is still a large number of plebs who believe some obscur magic rather then facts and physics
Flat earthers misunderstand scales and distances the way creationists misunderstand the scale of time involved in evolution.
Flat earthers have zero comprehension of speed, scale or time.
Once again it comes down to "I don't understand it there fore it's not real"
It's astonishing to me that we're having to seriously discuss flat earth in 2023.
They can't even comprehend how big the Earth is. Or, for that matter, what shape it is.
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yeah, that's just fuckingstupid.
Flat earthers can't even explain eclipses, let alone the universe.
I doubt that any mind can really comprehend size of space. Problem with flerf's mind is it gets scared from space size and how insignificant we are in that space, and it just flat out refuses to accept it.
If we were on a flat Earth and the stars are moving in a circle above us, they would make a strange path through the night sky.
You guys have little concept to how your model is shown to work. If any of you guys had spatial awareness, you would figure how rhythmically astray you'd be. But keep researching your model more thoroughly, than hearing hit pieces on Flat Earth. We haven't come to an official consensus of our Flat Earth model. The only reason the Ball has is because it has been incentivised to help out the crooked banking industry. I can promise you not one FEr would of pushed that poison crap that many advocated for whom died suddenly 🤔😒🙄
As an avid amateur astronomer and astrophotographer, I'd like to point out that there actually are many stars and other phenomena that can be observed to move against the sky over period of months and years! Its very exciting to see the work of other amateur astronomers over years and even decades recording these very interesting objects. Not that this is in support of or proves a flat earth (because that isn't possible!), but just to point out that we can actually see positional changes at light-year + distances under the right circumstances. :)
Thanks Bob. _Pours one out for Bob_
It's very difficult to imagine distances in this scale. When speed of light is circa 300 000 km/s, it still takes 8,3 minutes to get from Sun to Earth and 4 hours to Neptun. Distances just among our Solar system are enormous.
One fact about the vast distances I like is this - You could fit all the planets in the solar system into the gap between Earth & the Moon.
Polaris IS moving easily at measurable speeds thanks to the Earth's axial precession. Any flat earther can measure its position with tools like sextants. Its past positions are also recorded on the nautical almanacs which are accessible online. For example Polaris' positions for some years:
1850: 88° 30′ 35.28″ --- 1.4902 degree from the north pole
1900: 88° 46′ 26.72′ --- 1.225911 degree from the north pole
2000: 89° 16′ --- 0.733 degree from the north pole
2017: 89° 20.3′ --- 0.66167 degree from the north pole
2018: 89° 20.6′ --- 0.6567 degree from the north pole
2020: 89° 21.1′ --- 0.64833 degree from the north pole
2022: 89° 21.6′ --- 0.64 degree from the north pole
"A marine sextant can measure angles with a precision of less than 0.5' better than 1/100th of a degree" so those are measurable movements even by amateur astronomers.
The problem here being that even amateur astronomers have leagues more skill and knowledge than your average flerf
Twinkle twinkle little star, why would they lie about santa, and not about the stars?
@@GlobeKrusha *_"why would they lie about santa, and not about the stars?"_*
Celestial navigation (used by mariners for hundreds of years) *depends heavily* on having accurate star positions in order to make sure the ships can get from where they started to where they need to go. Last time I checked, no one uses Santa for navigation.
@@GlobeKrusha Because those are two entirely unrelated things?
@@GlobeKrusha You can check the position yourself.
I saw a TikTok about this Flat Earth Theory. Part of me died inside.
I will no longer be opening TikTok.
Given that these flat earthers are not expert on any of this "science" stuff, why do they have any opinion on it at all? That is the ridiculous part.
flerf: why don't the stars change?
intelligent people: they do.
To a logical person, everything you said makes perfect sense. I'm assuming the people you are addressing are not "logical?"
The flat earth society does have members all around the globe
The moment you mentioned numbers higher than 10! You completely LOST flerfs attention! It all went over their dense heads!! 😩😩😩
Flerf: _n._ A person who multiplies with two sig figs and then exhaustively states his answers to 14 decimal places because he is afraid of being called out for sloppy math.
10! is actually a pretty large number ;)
And back in the days 69! would be the largest pocket calculators could handle ...
Not true. Flatties are learning - now they accept numbers up to 20. I am not sure caused this jump, but they have now started complaining about cold feet.
Stars nearby change their position compared to the fixed stars in the background caused by the moving of the earth througout the year. It is interesting how flatearthers explain that.
They refer to Startrek Enterprise, where you can see stars flying by as you can see through the windows. Butt (insert picture like Creaky Blinder does) that is only a visual effect to show that the vessel is moving with immens velocity.
Isn’t the heliocentric model, a model of the solar system and not a model of the universe?
"Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space." -Douglas Adams
The dog knows what is important...... headscratches! 🐶
Maintaining flerf beliefs relies on refusing to understand basic mathematics, geometry, and even literal numbers.
I was talking about this with someone a few days ago. The demo I devised was with a ball on the goal line and a camera on the other goal line 100m away. Moving the camera 1mm towards the ball is the equivalent of the Milky Way moving closer to Andromeda over a period of 20,000 years, so 10mm would be 200,000 years. This is based on Andromeda & the Milky Way moving/closing their separation at 1,000,000km/h.
i love seeing the dog just being a dog