Flat Earth orbits are hilariously INSANE
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- Analyzing the trackable paths of objects and how they defy physics
*Correction*: I made a small slip up there, @1:45. I said "Newton's 2nd law of thermodynamics" - Newton didn't come up with the laws of thermodynamics, I had Newton on the brain because I was about to reference his laws of motion, I meant to just say "breaks the 2nd law of thermodynamics"
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I remember I had a friend in HS whose parents were flat earthers. (I'm 43 btw). They tried to convince me that the earth was flat. Now admittedly I didn't have a good grasp on physics let alone astrophysics to refute at 15yrs old. But one thing I did understand was how a lightbulb worked. So I asked them if the sun emitted light from all sides as we were taught. They said yes. So I then asked how do we have night time on a flat earth because even if the sun is the furthest from me I should still see light, at least in the sky. Also how are there places that will have light for 6 months at a time, but then dark for 6 months. The model you are showing me doesn't make sense unless there is a barrier that stops the light of the sun. I was asked to leave and was never invited back to their house.
Yup, a perfect way to stop them in their tracks. Even when you were 15 you had it well figured out 🙂
I'm sure you missed nothing.
The universe has simple laws that connot be applied to flat Earth.
How seasons work on Flat Earth
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@@Rasik24 I'm am not wasting 15min of my life watching a video that claims not only is the earth flat, but the sun somehow magically only emits a spot light.
A rule of thumb for Flerfers:
When the Earth is between the Sun and the Moon it's a Lunar eclipse.
When the Moon is between the Sun and the Earth it's a Solar eclipse.
When the Sun is between the Earth and the Moon it's an Apocalypse.
OK, to be fair, I stole that one from a TikTok, or something. But it's still funny.
@Sneaky Fox Glad you did as I don't do TikTok. If it wasn't so long I'd try and get that printed on a t-shirt. 😂
@@limpetcarre1139 Use pics of the three scenarios and just "Lunar eclipse", "Solar eclipse", and "Apocalypse" below each.
@@sneakyfox4651 I like that
@@Redbikemaster Thanks!
I know someone who couldn't grasp the concept of our solar system and believed the earth was flat. I played Outer Wilds with him together for a few hours and then he realized how gravity works on a Planet and how "Up and down" work.
I loved the expression he had when it finally clicked. He's trying his best now to explain this to his former friends, but many of them outright refuse to give it a try.
Did you also explain how axial tilt works?
Fantastic game.
Honestly, even though it’s a clockwork solar system with wildly (ha) scaled physical constraints and dimensions, Outer Wilds is a really great sandbox to mess around with and show these occasionally hard to grasp concepts on a more “human” level.
Grade A game, glad it's also educational.
outer wilds is nice
best part is when you prove a flat earther wrong, they act like there isn't something fundamentally wrong with their analytical skills and they just jump to the next wild argument
because they don't actually care if it's right, the only thing they care about is feeling special
Yep, they are like Christians.
Narcissism.
@@francelaferriere6106found the idiotic reddit tier cringe atheist
You've never done this.
I once played a game of DnD where the setting took place on three discs that orbited each other.
I decided that my barbarian believed the disc they were standing on was a sphere. My DM hated that my character would use the same arguments flat earthers use in the opposite situation.
"What do you mean? You can look up and *see* the other discs are flat!"
"Oh yeah those ones are flat. This one is round though."
PFFF HAHAHAHA I love it
That's hilarious! A grade trolling, no notes
I made my players upset by dropping the idea that the world was flat on them. They specifically heard rumours of a valuable book that was a first edition of a work by aristotle purported to prove the earth was flat and describe both the width of the disc and the height and arc of the boundaries of the firmament
Just what a true Barbarian would do.
so they were on an alderson disc ?
It pisses me off that the flat earthers always ignore the space turtle and the 4 giant elephants on its back that carry the flat earth
all praise the Great A'Tuin, and his 4 elephants buddies, Berilia, Tubul, T'Phon, and Jerakeen
Don't be silly. Everyone knows it's turtles all the way down.
I thought of that too, but you beat me to it
You guys believe in turtles!? I just thought rocks had legs and the ability to breathe out of thier butts😳
@@jeremymoses7401 Turtles exist! I know because a book said so
I once convinced a flat Earther that the earth was a sphere using only a compass. Next time I'll use a cricket bat why wreck a good compass.
🤣
Maybe it's just me but can you explain the joke please? :)
@@Makememesandmore he used the compass to beat up the flerfer
@@alicorn3924 oh, thanks lol, I think I was just over-complicating it in my mind
Ever heard of patent US6506148B2? It would explain why you believe the way that you do. Unless your education comes from outside of hollywood... I don't think that you would take the time to conduct your own experiments.
I noticed that on a flat Earth model, The Australian summer only has 4 hours of daylight. This is because they had to speed up the sun to complete a rotation in 24 hours. Even though there are so many other problems with it, this is one I haven't seen anyone address.
Australia is just CGI.
You think that's a problem... Try getting a sundial working on flattardia
@@TokyoXtreme Wow. I must be CGI as well. Since I'm Australian. But I'm sure you were just being funny. 🤣😂😂.
@@RokShotz The government doesnt want you to know it, but we, australians, dont actually exist.
@@CardZed Bloody hell mate. Why the hell do I sit in a plane for 14 hours to fly to the USA? What are Kangaroos then? I'm just so lost now. but I am glad that I now know. 🤪😜🤔
For the sake of my sanity I believe that flat earthers are just trying to annoy NASA to the point of getting a free ride to space just to see the globe with their own eyes. Can't blame them for wanting to go.
Oh hell i’m a flat earther too now
@@ruphite9521 hahahaha nice. People are so bloody dead set on the shape but really, do you actually give a shit ? It's inconsequential to absolutely no one if it's round or flat and nice to see someone taking it less seriously.
By the way, it's square and a bit lumpy but don't tell. Cheers mate.
@@deanhall6045 so what you’re saying is the Earth is a Minecraft world
@@ruphite9521 sshhhhh... bloody hell mate....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you'll start a riot...
The Earth is a donut, it tastes very delicious.
*“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” - Bill Murray*
More to the point: It's easy to fool someone, it's impossible to make them realize they've been fooled
Here's another one; "Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it has won anyway."
As Sayings go : "Can't argue with dumb people, first the pull you down to their level, then they defeat you with experience " - My Grandma
@@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233 *I've heard that one. That's a Quote from a famous person known as "Chris Rock*, a well-known comedian.*
@@TARINunit9 *That was spoken by a famous adventurist from the past, Mark Twain.*
Remember when a group of flat earthers spent like $10k on some stuff to prove the earth was flat with no curve only to prove that the earth had curve and was not flat.
What curve? Do you know how big the earth is?
You just a microbe on a pizza
We were picking up a drift, a 15 degree per hour drift.
Thanks Bob!
@@GlobehoaxFE’ers generally visualise a few miles circumference.
@Globehoax thats why curved earth looks flat on the naked eye.
@@Globehoaxnah we're microbes on a basketball
Gotta love how they try to use physics to discredit physics
gps to get to their conventions
Specifically: Globe-based physics... To argue Flat Earth physics
despite the fact that they say nonesense, there is nothing wrong in what you said. It's LOGICAL to use someone's logic to show, that this logic doesn't work.
Lol my favorite is when they said the sun is stationary. Like no it orbits something else, Pretty sure its a super massive black hole or something along those lines. Just like everything else in the Milky Way.
You can't see the curve from the ISS
Its in low Earth orbit, look it up
The only thing I'm on the fence about is the amount of flat earthers that are real vs trolling.
I really wonder
agreed.
There are so many people on TH-cam proclaim to be flattards. I reckon you can tell because they are usually the ones that get very abusive to normal people when the going gets tough and they run out of bullshit. Actually, that's pretty much the MO of those whack jobs isn't it?
There are the real flatearthers, who are dumb and uneducated, there are the trolls, who just want to see things on fire, and there are the dishonest ones, the conmen and women who made it their business of milking the dumb ones, monetizing videos and selling stuff like that Dubay guy.
Same. To be smart enough to make some of these models you HAve to be able to see how obviously wrong they are.
"The Truth has no defense against a fool determined to believe a lie" -
Mark Twain
So basically the entire woke and lgbtq won't change
@@Hen_von_Amis yeah totally, that's exactly what he meant. Derp derp. Let's pray 🙏
So whos side are you on? Lol!
@@Hen_von_Amis I'm failing to see what gay, bisexual and lesbian people believe that you find so offensive?
@@Hen_von_Amis The truth is the livelihood of humans, the fool believes they are idiots.
It's crazy how ancient Greeks, who believed that the weather was under the control of the gods, understood that the world was round.
Greek mythology is fantasy and fiction. Just like the globe
@@GlobeisahoaxxWhat’s your evidence for that claim? Because I’ve got mountains of evidence to show that you’re wrong.
@@AM-rd9pu let’s start with simple one. Where is evidence of Australia at the bottom of the ball, with people and buildings upside down
@@AM-rd9pu where is evidence of 66.6 degrees tilt that causing seasons
@@GlobeisahoaxxNone. Because it’s something you invented in your tiny little brain.
I once knew a flat earth guy who said there was a huge circular teleportation field surrounding the disk of the flat earth such that when you walked off the edge of a disk you would be instantly transported to the other side. The teleportation field was held at an angle allowing for orbits of varying size. I told him that, here in the real world where the Earth is spherical, we call your teleportation field a point.
Lol, he was literally describing a video game mechanic as if it's something possible in the real world.
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So...teleportation fields are more plausible than a spherical earth? 😅 I've seen more spheres than teleportation fields/devices!
@@christophervandusen9405 ikr just imagine wasting fricking teleportation on such a ridiculous thing. Can't comprehend the sort of mental gymnastics some flat earthers go to. It's commendable, fantastic, amazing even. This stupidity should be studied. I'm sure we could learn a lot by studying their brains in a lab.
@@keepinmahprivacy9754at one point the flat earthers used to call this either the Pac Man Effect or the Pac Man Theory
One of the most compelling bits about disapproving flat earth that I had ever heard was " how can they get every single pilot, astronaut, or person who deals in space/ aerospace to maintain this lie so perfectly."
When I heard this i knew there was no further argument needed
wanna get another one even simpler?
why?
yeah, just that, why?
both flat earthers and "sheeps believing the lies" pay taxes, obey the police, buy from the same corporations and kinda do the same. What does the power win from "us" that they don't win from "them"? Of course, the answer is nothing
@@NuwandaLunaDragon Indeed. But most flat Earthers believe that the "powers that be" are not just the government, police, etc, but a shadowy force bent on world domination, usually allied with Satan, who thus wins the souls of the "sheep".
The USSR alone would be a good counter, they were in space first and they’d have no reason to keep this lie up since they’d benefit more by revealing it to everyone
they believe the government is tricking all of them.
proof?
yeah dont expect any
This reasoning is Cringe. No argument needed
The funniest thing about flat earthers is that normal people constantly ask flat earthers for their theories and models, to compare and deconstruct, but flat earthers ask people to prove the earth is a globe and when people prove it, they simply ignore.
normal people* not globe earthers
@@elpozomierda5106 true
Congrats, you have arrived at the first rule of logic. Now apply it to your opposition and see if it holds up.
It is difficult to win an argument with an intelligent person. It's impossible to win an argument against an idiot - Bill Murray
Don't play chess with a monkey, he'll overturn the board and leave thinking he won
you seem to be the monkey there ;) @@JM-yq9gd
"We have members all around the globe."
-A real quote that was really said by a a speaker at a flat earth convention
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YALLL PARADING EARTH IS FLAT THE SUN IS SMALL AND LOCAL OPTICAL ILLUSION YET BRO SAID "AROUND" AND "GLOBE" IN THE SAME SENTENCE
IM DYING OF 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think you need to get a life of some description 😂
@mrmale9985 Says the guy wasting their own time to read random comments in random videos so he can make fun of people. Such a life you must have.
@@KaysNewGroove stop replying to me! 😄
@@mrmale9985 Nah, I always have a few minutes to spare to annoy people like you.
Dave: *absolutely destroying arguments using way more facts and logic than should be necessary*
Dog: *getting the best nap of his life*
The dog does the only appropriate thing: Doesn’t even bother with Flerf arguments
@@dinoscheidt flerfs won't change their beliefs because that's their *identity*
There isnt such a thing as using more facts and logic than necessary you should be using facts and logic as much as possible.
@@thomgizziz And in fact, arguing with dumber people is supposed to make you smarter, since you need to find a way to explain something to them that they don't understand
@@Auvas_Damask This is true, I regularly argue with Holocaust denier's and, I have not only gotten so good at arguing with them but also, I feel much more capable to argue with more advanced historical lies..
Also, if the sun was 3000 miles away from earth or whatever they said, then we would be able to see it visually getting larger and smaller throughout the day, because of how close it is.
how come I can see too far for curvature to exist? how come 1 day Chicago skyline is 30% hidden then the very next day its 50% then the next week its completely visible from 60 miles away I shouldn't see the tops of any buildings at any given time.
8:25 in ur video the fish eye lense makes the earth contort from a massive curve to almost flat? the flat earth map is wrong clearly. why would anyone show u the correct map when it's been hidden for all these years. since the ancients. btw all the ancients depict a flat earth. Egyptian myan Inca Hebrew and many many more.
what about the emergency landing flights that dont agree with the globe? they had to land in spots where they shouldn't be able to land like LA. lady was pregnant? how can the coriolis affect bullets but not an f16?
how come all satellites in space are cgi composite just like nasa admits all planet images are composite. ever watch time lapse of container ships or air flights? the horizon is always at eye height and always flat. even if it may looked curved sometimes u gotta remember ur vision is a circle so if u can see 500 miles out in all directions. making a circle or curve.
how come theres no 360° shots from nasa ever in history. how come they didnt pan the camera towards the earth when they landed on the moon 6 Times how come I can't see the flag or the lander sites on he moon. how come the lunar lander's look like a homeless tweakers shelter with duct tape tinfoil and cardboard. how me light houses can be seen for hundreds of miles when clear when they should be under the curve. how can skylines be a perfect mirror reflection for many many miles.
the Bolivian salt flats make a perfect mirror during monsoon season.. how can Kansas be flatter than a pancake. how can the bottom of the oceans be vast 1000s of square miles of perfectly flat land
how come each star is unique to the next with cymatic patterns. they should all be relatively the same. not one is the same like snowflakes and fingerprints.
why arent big corporations making commercials in space or paying football or basketball or golf on the moon it would make trillion and trillions.
how can people see stars through the moon. hell that's on nations flags????????? the fe map is clearly wrong but the globe is laughable. water rocket ball hurtling In 4 directions. how come rainbows are dome shaped. better yet try to make a rainbow indoors without a prism of some sort. where the prism outside? on the globe. th-cam.com/video/AOMMsa4rnmo/w-d-xo.html
@@Boogerboys1990 You don't understand where the curvature kicks in.
@@Boogerboys1990 you keep going to different comments and copy pasting this response as if it even makes a modicum of sense.
Just because you don’t understand the questions you’re asking doesn’t mean that others also don’t.
Comments like this just further prove that flerfers can’t distinguish between knowing something and thinking you know something.
@@Boogerboys1990 “All the ancients depict the earth as flat.” Did the ancients have airplanes? Modern science is the result of centuries and millennia of trial and error; the scientific tools of today are vastly more effective and accurate than anything the “ancients” had. It’s such a nonsense argument that’s it’s actually hilarious.
Those same “ancients” also believed if they built a tower high enough they could break through to heaven or figure out if heaven was made of clay or stone. 😂
@@JudasMaccabeus1 It's also not true. Most knew the world was round. It was the only way to make any kind of horizon-relevant phenomenon make sense. It is, however, surprisingly hard to draw a sphere on a flat surface. Mild sarcasm on that last line.
I have a flat earther friend. One night after church, I took out my phone and booted up an ISS tracker app. We went outside in the parking lot and looked up, and he saw the ISS drift right across the sky like the lights off of an airplane, following the same exact path shown on the app in AR mode. He didn't have anything to say, but he stopped arguing flat earth with me after that.
God built this wonderful thing for us. why do so many alleged Christians feel the need to deny reality?
@@victorfinberg8595 That is up for debate, but I don't know.
@@olivercharles2930 it was a rhetorical question. see the word "alleged" ?
proves NOTHING
@DrZook notwithstanding the fact that you did not read my previous posts carefully enough to understand my point, your entire argument fails, quite trivially.
Your "default position" is nothing more than your opinion, not a universal truth. Many people (including myself) may share your opinion, but it remains no more than an opinion.
Furthermore, insisting that a thing does not exist because you see no evidence for it is almost as fallacious as insisting that the thing exists without having any evidence for it.
All you are entitled to do is say I DON'T KNOW, and "I don't believe unsupported allegations"
I love how they put in so much time into mapping the sun’s movement, but completely forgot to explain why it sets.
Set is an optical illusion due to perspective. In reality sun simply moves away from your location
@@Globehoax if it is "perspective" you should be able to see it with a telescope. Spoiler you cant.
@@martinpp95 you probably could. But it doesn’t matter, we know sun is small and local
@@Globehoax oh, a probably is enough for you ? Thought you wanted the truth
@@Globehoax if that were the case, then the sun should look smaller as it goes away. it doesn't
I'm glad to have flat-earthers around. They make me feel less dumb.
Same for buyden and cumala
These two are clowns in a circus
Flat earthers when you want to have them around instead of aflat: 🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡😡😡😡
They make me feel stronger. I mean, I can lift heavy shit up *while* gravity is pushing it down
Can they say the same?
@@vampire_catgirl Muscles aren't real. You're just being manipulated by Big Muscle. Wake up, sheeple.
My favorite flerf argument is that one about gravity vs relative density. "Things don't float or sink because of 'gravity' but because some things are less or more dense than others!"
Like, yes, that is actually the property which, under gravity, causes things to float or sink. Relative density is not an alternative explanation to gravity. All they've done is imagine away what makes density do this, and pretend "it just happens", entirely missing that the point of forces is to model the mechanism of action.
I like the part where objects in free fall become magically zero density such as their favorite density column 3rd grade science project gets mixed up when dropped.
I'm partial to the fact that every other planet and celestial body is a sphere..as one can see with their own eyes/a telescope but the earth is not....birds aren't real the stars are drones Kanye/Taylor swift 2024 yaaalllll
It is Aristoteles theory of common places. The same as Aristoteles' logic, stood for two millennia.
@@adrianpanaite6161 well he didn't know what we know
@@adrianpanaite6161 Aristotle's ideas of composition, force, and relative position stood until the time of Newton, where several things were clarified and specified.
Very few physical ideas or "facts" that Aristotle purported stands unaltered or unfalsified today. Least of all the "Theory of Common Places", whatever that is.
I've taken the flight from Sydney to Johannesburg, and on my flight the winds actually caused us to go over the edge of Antartica (there were beautiful views of the ice sheets out the window). This path is impossibly long on a flat earth, and yet my flight was still the expected 15 hours.
Although, I am from Australia which means I am a paid actor from NASA and everything I just said is fake.
You must admit, kangaroos do look pretty fake.
@therealzilch
Until you meet them and feed them. You realize they're just another amazing thought in the mind of God, made real by Him, part of the system He created on this wonderful planet.
That's very cool.
I remember flying from Johannesburg to Sydney and the plane's flight route went towards Antarctica, as one would expect on a globe, but it was a cold turbulent night flight. Because the air above Antarctica was extra cold (-80° C), the aircon had trouble compensating, so everyone had blankets on them through that flight. Something you don't often see, as there's always a hero in shorts in the middle of winter.
Definitely not the nonsense you would expect from a flight that skirted Africa, the Middle East, India, South East Asia and Indonesia then Australia as would occur if the earth was flat.
The entire flight was across an ocean, with no lights of civilization anywhere.
The same thing occurred when I flew from Sydney to Santiago. Absolutely no land gets crossed and no lights of civilization through the night.
@@lovesandservesjesuschrist6752 I must admit, I've never fed a kangaroo. But I did have an orangutan clean my nails for me once.
@@therealzilch can I visit that salon too? 😀
This is what you get when someone comes up with their conclusion first and works backwards. The moment they hit a snag in their theory, they have two choices: admit they were wrong or come up with an increasingly convoluted explanation for why the refutation doesn't work. Flat Earthers are just the most obvious (and entertaining) example of this.
so true bestie
kinda like gravity and dark energy
@@yupok318
Gravity was observed first, then theories were developed around those observations and refined based on how those theories interact with other theories.
Dark Energy is actually a physics _problem_, not a theory or law. We don't know what's actually causing the universe to expand, so Dark Energy basically gets used as a stopgap until we figure out what's actually going on.
@@VestedUTuber Well, we have figured out that gravity does not exist as an actual force because mass does not, has not, will not, and can not attract mass.
There is OBVIOUSLY a force, that is not well understood but is CLEARLY related to, or is a field effect of magnetism and it is called gravity but that's just semantics at this point.
I will not accept any BS about gravity being proven by the motion of heavenly bodies
BECAUSE:
No one has a clue about the composition, mass, volume, and density of ANY heavenly body.
Furthermore, no distances to them or between them can ever be known.
It IS however a simple matter to manufacture all that data to fit whatever findings some asstronomer pulls out of his azz.
Therefore it's just a shell game whose rules change as needed in order to keep a dead theory in the ICU without a death pronouncement long enough for its purpose to be fulfilled.
It's ALL smoke and mirrors and math...
a lie told with numbers,
kinda like lies,
damn lies,
and statistics.
@@yupok318
I'm not even going to bother to try to argue with you since you're fundamentally convinced that everyone's trying to lie to you. If you're demanding to see things for yourself, go buy a decent telescope and take the time to record some observations of your own. You can get Meade Lightbridge Dobsonians for under a grand.
And don't bitch to me if you think that's unreasonable. You're the one claiming that astronomers' observations are bullshit, you should go through the effort to prove your claim. There's NOTHING preventing you from doing your own observations except your own willingness to do so.
NASA: Here’s an article on all of our space endeavors.
Flat Earthers: Too complicated! It’s brainwashing lies!
NASA: Fine, here’s a simplified version. It doesn’t explain everything in detail, but it gets the point across.
Flat Earthers: Uhm, why is there a lack of information about some details? You must be lying!
Nasa: …ok frick you
And by space do you mean Bermuda Triangle restricted waters? Coz that’s where rockets fall after take off
@@Globeisahoaxx oh yeah, the place famous for PLANES and BOATS? Yeah let’s turn THAT into the rocket graveyard.
…also, it’s not restricted waters. Ever been to, oh I dunno, the Bahamas? Or Miami?
No argument or proof is enough for the one who decided to believe in lies…
@@SacsachCCABP Bermuda Triangle is huge. They do have a restricted area, that nobody can go
Aero engineer here. I tried describing the lunacy of orbital paths, especially polar orbits, to flerfers. They simply don't care.
I bet "they" paid you to say that. :)
@@therealzilch argh. Busted.
@@therealzilch that's kind of the fear I have with any flat earther we can prove to. Basically even if we can prove and convince a flat earther, the others will just think "they got to him" by getting paid to lie or something.
Which is sad, because for people who claim to care so much about truth.... they sure don't like to hear anything that does't fit their ideology. It shows it's a faith... blind faith.
Hehe, flerfers, lol!
I love the term flerfers
Fun fact: The reason the moon is still moving is because one of the elephants holding up the disc regularly lifts it's leg to let it past and cross between it and the shell of the Great A'Tuin!
Nah man, even discworld is too advanced for them, they never even try to explain night by "the sun just goes under the earth" because it just might make sense
@@XanderKuro The problem with this explanation would mean, that it would be night everywhere at the same time, and even flat earthers can't go out and claim that this is the case.
well to be honest if they're serious about a glass dome with projections the sun and moon could be projections too, but they can't say that either cause that's leaning into the matrix theory.
The sad thing is some flat earthed will come and read this comment and take it as fact and not realize it is part of a story by a great author as he built the world that his stories took place in…. And even if they do educate themselves by reading said books they will just use them as fact on how their world works….
@@huntsmanlazeralis4539 I mean a lot of them already base their world view on books of fiction...
I have respect for the Flat Earthers for actually doing experiments, constantly proving themselves wrong, and persevering in their convictions.
They also proving globe is a lie
@@Globehoax "They also proving globe is a lie"
So, which experiment demonstrated the width of flat earth? Which experiment demonstrated the width of the sun? Which experiment determined the distance to the sun?
@@Globehoax case in point. Thanks hoaxie!
@@maxfan1591we know globe is a lie because nasa is faking it
@@GlobehoaxNASA isn't the one source everyone uses. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Eratosthenes beat NASA to determining the circumference of the earth by over two millennia. You may want to actually do research on this and conduct similar experiments in observation to come to your own conclusions.
What am I saying, of course you won't. You'll just say "horizon looks flat to me therefore Earth flat" as if that's a brilliant observation that hasn't been challenged and debunked even before the Roman Empire formed.
Or you'll duck out because you actually have no counterargument and want to avoid being proven wrong
It’s kind of crazy how flat earthers tell people to use their eyes just to clam certain things are projections.
Also use their eyes to observe a local sun and moon above
@@Globeisahoaxx I would observe if there was a local sun. But there isn't, so it's impossible to see something like that.
@@GlobeisahoaxxSo how can you observe it? ive started many conversations with you in various videos and once you dont have an answer just just abandon the conversation. So go on, explain to me
@@AstronomicaIPhotosyou can use your eyes. Try it
@@Globeisahoaxx Yea, the sun and moon dont look local, i know since ive been an astrophotographer for +2 years and if you can tell i study what i observe. So how can i observe that they are local?
A sun moving at this speed inside the atmosphere would also create massive shockwave when it passes over your head every day.
Yes. The shock waves from the Sun and Moon would turn the tropical regions into wrecked fields of destruction. Nobody could live between the tropics.
They claim these aren't physical objects, and are kind of ethereal "luminaries" and such. Whenever you try to apply actual reasoning to it all, they just dismiss it unless it supports what they believe.
@@Leongon If not physical then why do we get physical heat from it will be my answer :-)
Some flat earthers even claims that sun "swims in clouds".
Imagine the boom!
@@olafbaeyens8955 they just say the luminaries project the heat. Well, luminary. They say the moon projects cold. 😂
I think the Mario Kart speed boost ramp in space truly explains flerf understanding of orbits. I think they've got you on this one, Dave.
I love the name flerf. Thats all ill call them from now on.
@@davekash1 You could also call them Idiots. Means the same thing.
It’s not about being on the fence; these sorts of videos and discussions are great, simply because people can learn things from them. Disproving flat-earthers is just a reason to get that teaching and learning up and running. Even us “globers” can watch things like this and learn fascinating new things.
And when you realize nasa is faking everything, you become a globe denier
Yeah Flerfs claim they are so smart without ever doing anything scientific. Fn retards that don't do anything for science, just flap their lips pretending to be smarter than the scientist that created every technology they use. Daf
@@Globehoax reality does not care about government agencies or anyone's beliefs. Only our own perceptions do.
So any argument based on "it can't be true because those guys say it, and we all know those guys are liars" is lacking in any logic, whether the opinion has any bearing on reality or not.
As an analogy. Let's say your schoolyard bully one days says it's raining outside. You yourself haven't checked whether it is or isn't. Is he right? Is he wrong? Is he lying? Maybe... but you can't assert one way or another. All you can say is, you don't like that guy, and you don't trust what he says.
What you can't affirm is that it's sunny because you hear some person say it's raining.
@@krupert8355 flat earth is not an argument. We don’t need to prove anything to anybody. We simply inform masses about nasa fakery and deception
@@Globehoax you seem to have ignored my points.
Reality is not politics, flat or globe.
Keeping this video in my back pocket for any arguments with flat earthers. Well actually my front pocket. Why would anyone put their phone in their back pocket?
Might work for anyone who talks out of their arse 😉
@@DaveMcKeegan I would give you a medal if I could afford one. Well played.
@@FlashStaticbut why would you want to argue with them in a first place.
@@Globeisahoaxx I mean it CAN be entertaining hearing some of the stuff they come up with.
They had the same issue when they assumed the Earth was at the center of the solar system. The orbits of the planets were insane. Some of them would have to stop back up and then reverse again.
It does work, you just get very insane paths.
@@ScorpioneOrzion
The insane paths defy logic. Why does a planet stop back up and then go forward again.
@@neilkurzman4907 magical bullshit, that's how.
Lmao.
@@neilkurzman4907 obviously because gods Angles push them to move that way for our Entertainment/s
I'm at least half convinced that flerfing morons think that when we reference "retrograde motion," we're literally telling them that the planets pop their orbits into reverse for a bit...
Long distance flights are quite funny when flerfs are attempting to explain it. They are still trying regardless of tons of evidence. One pilot (maybe not just him, but I know about him for sure) going by the name Wolfie6020 here on YT even offered to pay for the flight tickets for a flat Earther to experience such flight by themselves and in the end the offer was taken by another TH-camr - Greater Sapiens and he not only flown the flight from Australia to South Africa (Qantas QF63), but he also recorded the whole flight on camera and on GPS tracker, created a video of it and published the tracker data. He even captured the Sun "going backwards" for some time as the plane was south enough for its surface speed be higher than the linear rotation speed of Earth there. Flat Earthers pretend this doesn't exist or it is somehow a trick or "CGI" or whatever other ad-hoc excuse they can pull out of their rear ends. You can hear excuses like: the flights actually never really happen, planes are not possible to track as they disappear from tracking apps, jet streams are so fast, it is possible to compensate for the extra distance. Which only demonstrates they have no clue and or are desperate in their "nu-uhh la-la-la-la Earth is flat" reality denial. But they'll try anyway.
God Moves in Mysterious Ways.
It's the same "Argument"
People who board a plane are teleported to an identical plane at a destination airport and implanted with false memories of the "flight". Which is why flights really take time, they have copy and destroy and then recreate all of the passengers at the new location complete with fake memories of the "flight" plus the memories of the original. So not only do "flights" never happen they are also essentially mass murder. This technology has been kept from the public because there would be mass civil unrest (and rejection of fast and cost effective international travel which the modern world relies on) if people knew how it really works, so they created the phony story about "airlines". And yes this is bulls**t but it's typical of how a flattard thinks.
On topic of the flights, flat earthers will claim that the plane is at an angle the entire flight, so that makes it so that the flight duration and length doesn't change when compared to a round Earth.
At least they're acknowledging that Australia exists again. That's a tiny, but positive, step in the right direction.
Replace "flat earth" with "religion".
As a longtime professional photographer (over 50 years) I use a few app now such as the Photographer’s Ephemeris when I need to predict where a sunrise/sunset, moonrise/moonset will appear in a landscape/cityscape. Recently I wanted to capture a full Moon rising behind Ottawa's Parliament Buildings from a location 3 km NE. The app was 100% accurate, and it is based on the heliocentric model. For a flat Earth model, I presume I would need tea leaves and chicken entrails to figure out where and what time for my photo...
I started in the days were you had primary film as an amateur and do you know how many times they say something about photography and it almost physically hurts. Glad you put your two bits in.
Picture of the Horizon it's so horizontal you can put a straight edge to it
@@tonydiesel3444 Because you're the size of an ant. Shut up
@@DaysofKnight still flat
For a flat earth model you'll need some green herbs and some solid luck of the thumbsuck to get things going, and then still look like a basement dwelling potato. I honestly do believe that they use 100% brain capacity of the little bit that's left though, that's for sure!
I think there's a giant secret society of people who just decided to try and prank everyone by pretending they don't believe the earth is spherical, and are just really committed to the bit
Just like buyden don’t believe in democracy
If so it’s working
This guy is doing it right, learning the flat earth bullet points and pointing out their flaws. Too many people try to prove a round earth by using facts and such, without knowing the craziness inside the heart of a flat Earther
There are no round earth facts. It’s all fantasy and fiction.
Snap out this hypnosis
problem is, he seems to be using reason and logical deduction
these people's thinking isn't built on following the facts to arrive at a conclusion. it's built on distrust. Insanity really is the way to put it.
Except he strawmanned his way through their 'arguments.'
@@Porklion Kindly look up the definition of a straw man, and you'll see that this is not the case.
@@BrianWelch-vc7xy wut
2:12 This is something that constantly flabbergasts me about flatearthers. They constantly argue "water cant stick to a ball, it would flow down!", somehow ignoring that gravity isnt a magical force that exists everywhere in the universe, but rather caused by mass itself.
And mainly ignore that center of the gravity isn´t usualy at the bottom of the object, but in the middle.
I agree with what your getting at 100% but from what I know gravity may as well be magic to us. A side effect of mass is gravity but from what iv learned gravity itself is a result of all the mass creating a bend in space-time and it gets very complicated because the fourth dimension is involved and that's something that's just unknowable to our 3rd dimensional brains. The only reason we know the fourth dimension is a thing is because ridiculously complicated math done by very smart people.
Are you sure gravity _isn't_ a magical force that exists everywhere in the universe? It just doesn't always point in the same direction. Whether or not it's a force is debatable, but it does exist everywhere in the universe, and magic is just a term that describes that which is poorly understood, which gravity happens to be a good example of.
As for 4-dimensional stuff, we regularly make 4-dimensional measurements. "The corner of 4th street and 23rd avenue, 7th floor at 4pm tomorrow" is a complete, if imprecise, 4-dimensional coordinate. What we know from Einstein's General Relativity and experimental evidence is that gravity has an interaction with all 4 of those components in some way.
@@angeldude101 We have made progress in studies of the fourth dimension but even taking all that into considerations we still haven't even scratched the surface. We are still taking babies first steps into learning about higher dimensions and the truth is many aspect of the fourth dimension may be impossible for us to figure out. On top of that there may be more then four dimensions.
@@billfred9411 I already gave what should be a completely mundane and understandable example of using 4 dimensions. As for there being potentially a 5th, General Relativity uses something called the "metric tensor" which describes how distances and angles distort in different places, kind of like what you'd need to use to accurately use a flat-earth model. The alternative is to add a new dimension (3rd in the case of Earth, 5th in the case of relativity) to curve into or out of yielding what appeared to be strange distortions in the lower dimensions.
Yes, I just compared the current 4D understanding of gravity to the 2D flat-earth model.
I’d dated a guy that believed in flat earth, and I didn’t care much but he’d always bring it up and tell me I was wrong for thinking the earth is round. I broke up with him when he said it’s okay that I don’t understand him because I’m a just a stupid woman who believes everything I’m told and don’t know how to do my own research. Okay bud 😂
Congratulations.
Always funny how they say we "believe everything were told" but then believe everything their dumbass FaceBook group says
Trash takes itself out
there are some red flags about a person that mean way more than them seem at face value. being a flat earther tells a lot more about a person than just their belief about the shape of the planet.
@@GraveUypo that isnt a red flag thats the entire USSR at that point.
Can we just appreciate the cartoon at 0:53.
It really shows the perspective of a flat earther, and how much their argument just boils down to, "I don't understand things, so the earth is flat"
Dave, I'm sorry I forgot to say this in my previous comments, but good for you for actually doing the mapping on this and figuring out what the Moon would be doing on the Gleason model. My experience is that flat earthers don't believe in their ideas intellectually; they believe in them emotionally. As such, they don't actually want to look too closely at their model for fear that it won't hold up. It's like a set of parents raising a kid, and Dad knows Mom had an affair before the kid was born. Dad wants the kid to be his and is 70% sure it is, but he won't actually get a DNA test because he'd rather be 70% certain he's right than 100% certain he's wrong.
As one person wisely said: They are just people who want to feel special
You cant fix stupid.
Like the the housefly, flerfs are annoying AF, but ultimately harmless. Ignore these morons and eventually they will find a corner to die in…😐🤦🏾♂️👎🏿🗑
@@kuckoo9036 Yeah you can demonstrate it by spinning something on a string.
Sounds like you're talking about religious people
One issue with the planes you didn't mention is the range they would have to cover on a flat earth. Those things only have so much fuel after all. On a flat earth you'd have to somehow explain how the same amount of fuel will take a plane several times further in the southern hemisphere than in the northern hemisphere.
Because planes fuel range are obviusly faked by big airport.
Oh wait I know this one!
The flights aren't real. They simply don't exist. There are no flights from Chile to Australia.
The pac man effect.
Ummmm... he specifically covered the range. In fact he did the math to demonstrate the speed of aircraft to maintain the flight time and showed a picture of the Concorde.
@@charlescarmichael1124 And yet somehow you completely missed the part that said it was impossible to currently fly that fast (Concorde has not flown since 2003!) and even if there was, when you fly that fast you burn even more fuel than you would at normal airliner speed and it's impossible to fly that far with the fuel tanks airliners have today?
In other words it is impossible if the earth was flat. People do it every single day, ergo: the earth cannot be flat. Got it now?
I think one of the craziest things that flat earthers overlook are gps navigation systems. Imagine trying to map out the orbits of all the gps satellites on a flat earth model. XD
Satellite is a hoax. Google it and all you get is cartoons and CGI.
They use satelloons. Fixed helium-filled balloons
@@Globehoax So why do I see satellites flying all over the sky in the night?
@@Globehoax Screw you
@@Globehoax Screw you flat earther
Most flerfers do not believe that satalites exist. The ones I know (unfortunately) insist that it is all done with cell towers. Funny, I haven't ever found a cell tower out over the ocean hundreds of miles from land.
And what about before there were cell towers? GPS has been around since the '60's, at least for the military.
I love that his dog is just napping on him the whole time
Same it is really adorable.
I have taken that flight from Sydney to Johannesburg myself (in daylight) and can confirm it was mostly over water. I even saw ice floes as we skirted Antarctica. I've never seen a flerf trying to address this, they simply ignore it, along with the other excellent points you cover in the video
where is your proof of that trip ret@rd, it would have been better if that plane crashed to increase humanties IQ. you bringing it down pretty low 🐒
They ignore everything because it's easier to make their claims when doing so. Gravity, doesn't exist. Space images, CGI. Southern hemisphere flights, don't exist. Earth's curvature, there is none. Yada yada yada.
So since you saw some ice near Antarctica, did you see the penguin army protecting the ice wall surrounding the flat earth we live on? But yes this guy did cover some super great points against flerfanizm imo, especially when he plotted the routes the sun and moon should take, especially also seeing the ISS path, which wouldn't have made any sense on a space pizza
You forget, flerfers don't believe Australia is real 🙃
@@myscreen2urs you forget you exploded on a big bang from a 🐒 butt, so your knowlege ain't up to australian flerf par
Worked in a bar with a flat earther a few years ago. He got fired after we found out he'd been making friends with customers and telling them sob stories to grift them out of money. Also stole tips from the jar to avoid splitting them, which was how he got caught and everything unravelled.
He was a very charismatic and friendly guy.
Seems like it's a short step from thinking everyone's a liar to lying to everyone
@@tsm688 Flat earthers literally are lying to everyone.
More like a manipulative sort of person.
You should have mentioned their theory about how gravity doesn't exist and it's just denser objects sinking in the air, which still works in a vacuum chamber somehow 🤔 The best part is that this doesn't happen without gravity in the first place.
yeah I don't get how these guys can seriously go "it's not gravity, it's weight" like wtf
What makes the heavier thing try to go down harder than the lighter thing!? It's almost like it's being pulled down by a mysterious force or something!
@@comet.x Meaning according to their beliefs, most objects should actually float away from the surface as air pressure (and hence density) decreases the further away an object is positioned from the center of -gravity- density. If all objects really followed the path of least resistance according to their density, with gravity completely absent, we would be in constant peril because every substance in our body less dense than its surrounding tissue would at all times be forced away from it. Not to mention we would constantly feel a tug and pull away from the ground. Just thinking about this nonsense gives me a headache, however.
And that they make fun of people being "upside down" on a globe and it being "magic" when its pure science
The other great explenation is that the earh is constantly "flying upwards". So everything is pulled down by that. So assuming this happens at a constant speed, everyone aborad air planes which travel about 400-500 km/h would smash against their seats or the back of the plane because of the speed. Since this doesn't obviously happen and you can walk freely on plane, it must mean that the appearance of the downward pulling force would have to come from the earth being in a constantly accelerating motion of about 9.81 m/s^2 which is the gravity acceleration, aka the acceleration thag things falling gain. On 6000 year old flat earth this would mean that the earth is currently travelling at about 9.81*6000*360*24*60*60 = 1.85 billion kilometers per second.
@Joku Vaan man and they have the audacity to make images where people have their face distorted from the air resistance in a fast roller-coaster to put it next to an image of a family happily eating, writing 70kmh vs (honestly i dont really know earths speed at the top of my head)
When their own model far exceeds the speed of light
The problem is that a lot of flat earthers dont think Australia exists. They think we're all actors. It's absolutely mental.
Nobody think that. You tripping
You probably mistaken for another premise, where we asking for a proof of Australia at the bottom of the ball, with people and buildings upside down
@@GlobehoaxYou still haven’t said what magnification & resolution are needed for such a shot. When are you finally going to tell us?
@@GlobehoaxPlenty of you say that.
@@Globehoaxbro doesn’t know what gravity is 🤡
Loved the way you slipped in the "thanks Bob". It's a classic. It's tough to measure distance on the Gleason map as it has no scale of miles that can be applied everywhere on the map, which the flatties conveniently ignore
There is no scale to measure because your a ret@rd that don't know how the Gleasons Scale Works. Go back to school 🐒 Gleasons Map is studied in Grade 9 and 10
@@mynamemylastname7179 Brilliant response. Bravo! Can you explain to retarded little me what the scale is?
@@tonydagostino6158 nope to hard to explain to a box of rocks that can't read the 60 nautical mile per degree scale, That is written and drawn to scale on the map itself.
you need to have an IQ above 🐒 or 🥔 before I start to explain it. You haven't reached that level yet.
@@mynamemylastname7179 That's for degrees of latitude. The miles per degree of longitude changes the farther south one goes. That's why all the land masses are more distorted the farther south one goes. So in an east/west direction there is no consistent scale that can be applied
just proves this dude is an absolute clown, a shill referencing a shill.
I love how the wiki page linked says “scientifically disproven” that made my day
It does? You are the bearer of good news. you made my day.
I remember talking to a flat earther, I asked him how the sun and moon stay afloat, which he replies “electromagnetism”, which I then asked him “if nature really works like that then why aren’t people being effected by it?” He just tells me to “go away.”
Last week I had one explain to me than gravity was because of the 100v/m electric field of earth (which, ok, exists), so I took two metal plate, an old PC power supply and created an upward field of around 300v/m and thew thing in it to see if they would float up...
And he just started insulting me and yelling that I was stuck in a religious belief.
Yeah, very constructive arguments overall 🤣
Next u should ask him why we only see 1 side of the moon, when clearly, ppl at the "outer rings" would see the dark side of the moon...
"Gravity isnt real", "Its bouyancy"... (which requires gravity... )
i appreciate your replies and concerns but it is really not as bad as i made it sound. I wrote it in a fit of anger and overexaggerated things. I am feeling great, working out and making my own money.
im wiping this comment until I decide to put it back, or not.
NASA's Laughable Apollo Lunar Lander
th-cam.com/video/jDbUgd3MWSI/w-d-xo.html
you're the one that has legit critical thinking, unlike the rest of your family. I can say with confidence that you're intelligent bud. You're woke, not your mom
Wich is the core of the issue sadly. Flatearth is common in social circles where people have feelt ostricised then found other such people to bond with. They cant change because it means getting ostrisiced from the group that they are currently part off. Its an identity and a belief in the rightiusness of a group that accepted them where the previous wronged them.
Wait your whole family?
Sorry to hear that, hope you can spend your next Christmas surrounded by people who love you enough to accept that you won't always agree on everything 💛
Fun fact: Flat earthers hold a global conference every year.
"The flat earth society has members all around the globe."
That's not...FUNNY!!!
@@Imperial_Lizardgirl 👈😂
@@monstrosity598 This is still, not, FUNNY! *Echo starts*
@@Imperial_Lizardgirl 👈🤣
There's a 747 pilot who has a channel called 74gear. He works for a charter company and has invited flat earthers to get together and charter a 747 and he'll fly them from the US to Santiago, then to Sydney, passing over the edge of Antartica on a great circle route. He invites them to time each leg of the flight, and to station observers at the airports to see which direction he departs and arrives in. IIRC, the plane can take about 400 passengers. Nobody has approached him yet, AFAIK.
Huh, i wonder why???
There is a simple way to prove the globe. Get a video of Australia upside down at the bottom of the ball
@@Globehoax Balls continue to have no bottoms, as you've been told many times, troll.
@@Globehoax Two videos that show exactly what you want. th-cam.com/video/zoMRwyNhqJ4/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/xPM2kITNtTs/w-d-xo.html
@@GlobehoaxAustralia wouldn't be upside-down because gravity exists. And gravity works as a spherical field from the middle of a dense enough mass. For example Earth which itself is spherical.
12:32 Professional jumbo-jet pilot here. I can confirm that whenever I fly around the southern hemisphere of a flat world I simply blast Free Bird (Eurobeat Remix) over the PA to give my aircraft the speed boost required.
/j
But flat world is not a sphere. So what hemisphere are you talking about?
You tripping
@@GlobeisahoaxxStill waiting on your evidence. Several years asking with no answer yet…
@@Globeisahoaxxstill waiting for you to explain how a magnet is pulling us down...
What's your rating "proffesional pilot" ?
👇
@@Globeisahoaxxhmmm let’s talk about Scale, young one.
my dad believed in flat earth, as a kid videos like these kept me from being radicalized how he was trying. it's a relief.
Flat earth is not a belief. It simply means globe is a lie. Too bad you don’t get it
@@Globehoax lol im not who you wanna go for bucko, you'd call me multiple slurs
@@AleisterRemus wanna go? WDF?
@@Globehoax no lol this is embarrassing for you
@@AleisterRemus what?
Came for the flat Earf refutation; stayed for the sleepy doge.
True, I want to get one now. Do you know what breed it is?
@@generalitsme a type of spaniel. thats all i gots
“This is a doge.” - Poppy
‘Atmosphere can’t exist next to a vacuum’
Yeah so funny thing about that, space is not a vacuum, sure there is extremely little matter in space but it isn’t a perfect vacuum and it is denser in certain areas, like for example near celestial objects like planets
True, but it’s functionally a vacuum in the situation it’s being presented in here
You know what he means though, silly.
They also don't know what vacuum means in this context
Technically, a true vacuum will never exist, just as absolute zero will never exist. They are the theoretical limits of a principle--what happens when you remove literally all matter or energy? But we also use "vacuum" in a more colloquial sense simply to refer to a negative pressure differential.
also, gravity is holding in the atmosphere similar to how a bowling ball in a trampoline would pull in sand.
"So, the sun is round.."
"Yes."
"And the moon?"
"Round"
"And Mars?"
"Also round."
"Jupiter? Saturn?"
"Rounder than a melon"
"Alpha Centauri?"
"Round. All of them."
"But the Earth is flat."
"Flatter than a pancake."
bruh.
Just lights in the sky.
@@Globehoax yup just lights that I can see with my telescope as solid objects with rotation and movement . When will you buy a telescope by the way ?
@@cthrekgoru local lights. That means solar system doesn’t exist
@@Globehoax Dude find yourself a real job . Solar system is observable . you can calculate which object will appear in which point . Instead of wasting your time with writing comments, go learn astronomy and Trigonometry . If it interests you go learn Spectroscopy . All of them are valid scientific areas and debunks your fantasies everyday...
@@cthrekgoru all pseudoscience run by criminal enterprise. The lights you see in the sky revolve around Polaris. Solar system is just your imagination, doesn’t exist
Still waiting for a picture of the ice wall at the edge of the earth. Should be easy to do, but can't find one.
Oh you cant go to the ice wall there is a fleet of patrol boats guarding it (That's what flat earthers say anyway) Amundsen and Scott found The South Pole instead or was that a NASA conspiracy ? (from 1911 /12? 🤣)
so cant they just fly to it@@Mackeson3
I want a picture of the underside of flat earth, fly a plane underneath and take some pictures!
@@Mackeson3 interesting. A person landed a plane on the whitehouse lawn, and two flew jets into buildings in the biggest city in the US, but a whole mess of Flat Earthers can't fly a plane with the only target as "south" and manage to hit the biggest wall on earth because of boats?
Sus
The amount of time we spend on dealing with reality deniers makes me realize they are basically like added weights making things harder when exercising.
And therefore stronger.
@@ashwhiteforest9078 perhaps, but sometimes it too much and you reach failure.
@@scottrhodes5234 Also true. But if they break you in the end, nothing you could ever say or do will stop them, and they will be the victor. So don't break.
@@ashwhiteforest9078 there's always options, but you have to take action before it's too late.
Trouble is they're only adding grams to the bar with every assertion they make.
The worst thing that I hate about Flath Earth theory is how much attention it is getting. Positive or negative, there are literally tens of millions of people even putting time and effort into talking about this.
It's fun as fiction though. There are worse things getting attention for sure.
Flat Earth isn't a theory, not even close.
It's a fake conspiracy theory being pushed by the CIA to make the real theories look stupid by association.
If you follow Facebook accounts or groups that post space photos, the comments are completely dominated by flat-earthers and NASA conspiracists insisting it's all fake and people arguing with them. You quickly get the impression that a *majority* of people don't believe the Earth is round. Of course it's just Facebook effectively magnifying their voices.
What they really have is the conspiracy ideology--they have a deep emotional need to believe that they're in the select group of people who know about the conspiracy that's running the world and that everything normal people know is wrong. It doesn't really matter much what the conspiracy is about, but if it's about fundamental facts of our existence like the shape of the Earth, that does make it more exciting.
Even CNN did an article on one of the Flat Earth conferences, therefore lending their "movement" much more credence than it deserves.
I believe flat earthers have flat brains. Would explane a lot...
Smooth, no wrinkles
I haven't seen their brain, so it doesn't exist.
A lot of astronomy software is actually open source. So it is openly published how the results are achieved and on what model the calculations are based. Admittedly, understanding these codes is a non-trivial task, but there is by no means a secret around these methods.
I doubt you can find a flat earther that can understand code and math.
@@noxlupi1 That's because understanding code/math makes it plainly obvious how correct a spherical earth is, I can confirm.
@@areadenial2343 yeah... You have to be rather smart to understand code and math, and rather stupid to think the earth is flat. ;)
After watching Behind The Curve for the first time, I actually had to pause and rewind to listen again when they said that “there are no direct flights between destinations in the north and south hemisphere”.
A few weeks previous to that we had hopped on a jumbo in Sydney, Australia, and got off it again as hours later in San Francisco. 😂
You trying to tell me you did more research than the experts?
Sure, but as Australia doesn’t exist I guess you don’t exist either.
Useful trait to have, if you wanted to hang out at a Flat-Earther get-together. ‘I don’t exist. You aren’t hearing anyone right now.’
@@boggisthecat
Reminds me of the time someone tried to tell me that Asheville, NC didn't exist. And the funniest thing about that is that we were in Asheville, NC when they tried it.
This comment doesn't exist.
It is a known, and strange, characteristic of flat earthers that they are able to pull carp out of their backside, but without the most basic testing (thinking or googling) that it makes sense.
For example, they listen to papa flerf going on about Antarctica and suddenly nobody is allowed to travel there and you will be shot etc.
Five minutes googling and you can easily find many tourist companies with trips to the South Pole. And photos of the Roone ice-shelf, which the flerfers somehow think is their mythical ice-wall.
"...our Glober Opponents..."
I like that Flat Earthers are turning this into a battle, one which only they are participating.
No really Flat Earthers don't fight ret@ded handicap Baal 🌍worshipers.
Not so sure about.. I mean it's not like we've experienced 7 years with 1000s of monetised Bigfoot debunking videos, is it really?
I like how they think they even have an argument to make. much less battle it out with real scientists that have done real research. It's people with opinions and inflated egos vs people who actually know what they're talking about.
@@brianressler569 Socrates has a lot to answer for.. hmm or is that nothing to answer with?
@@vthomas375 Explain how the flat earth works.
A Greek mathematician, Eratosthenes, proved the earth was round in addition to the circumstance of the earth using sticks and his brain, which flat earthers don't seem to possess.
He didn't prove it, it was already known. What he did was measure it with high accuracy.
Same Greek that believed in multiple gods? Where are they now?
@@Globeisahoaxx that is not the point.
@@calonarang7378it is a point. Solar system is a myth
@@GlobehoaxNot a valid point and we are still waiting on any evidence from you.
A correction which others may have caught: The position of the Sun compared to latitude does not change because the tilt of the Earth changes (it doesn't over any relevant time scale) but because of the changing orientation of that tilted axis to the Sun as the Earth goes along its orbit.
It does change relative to the frame of reference he was speaking of (noon every 4 weeks at a particular point). Yes, compared to pole stars it doesn't perceptively change over the course of a year. We knew exactly what he meant...
We knew exactly what he meant, yes, but someone who doesn't already know this would be liable to get the wrong idea from the wording and illustration at 5:37.
Even though I'm sure 99% of us knew what he meant, some fool is probably going to look at that and conclude that he's saying the earth literally changes its own tilt.
These people are the example they should use when talking about the Dunning Kruger effect. Basically, people have a tendency to be extremely confident about a subject after learning very little about it. Then, if they learn more, their confidence actually plummets when they discover how much they don't know about a subject. Eventually they can reach that same confidence on the subject again, but only after much learning and understanding. These people are stuck in the first confidence phase.
Dunning-Kruger, TH-cam and conspiracy theories is a good idea, the same way small kids, an can of petrol and a box of matches is a good idea.
Not sure whether Dunning Kruger even applies here. They didn't just learn nothing about physics, they also learned all the wrong things.
Or dropping out of school in the 3rd grade. Although, the 3rd grade was the best 5 years of their life.
I thought so too, until I met a flat earth engineer, a pilot, military etc.. I'm honestly not smart enough to know the shape of the earth but spherical trig isn't my strong suit.
@@Chronz The important thing to remember, is that it's possible to be intelligent and ignorant at the same time. Dunning-Kruger is not about stupidity, it's about over confidence mixed with ignorance.
As a child I flew from Germany to Brazil for the holidays. And even as a child I could see that the "smiling face" of the moon that I normally saw in Germany was all of a sudden upside down. So even as a child I realized that there is literally a "down under"!😄
It's funny until you discover the *"down over"*
So true about a global earth but as an Australian I can attest to the fact that all south of the equator are the top side of the earth and germany is "down under"!
@@mutualbeard I politely disagree. But let's say it simply depents on your standpoint of view.😂😉
So have a nice day there - on (in your opinion) top of the world.☺️
Unfortunately there is no mirror effect when you change hemispheres. I don't know what you saw but I presume you were young and mistaken.
@@speedfreak8138 Mirror effect? What are you talking about? With a little imagination you can see a smiling face in the dark patches of the moon here in Germany. Well, this "face" suddenly turned upside down when I was in Brazil. What does this have to do with any mirror effect?
Ever since I knew that, I've seen it over and over again. Even as an adult - so please don't tell me I made a mistake as a child. If you can't see the "face" of the moon here in the northern hemisphere, I would say you have only little visual imagination.🤷🏻♀️
But even if you can't see the face. Just look for the crater Tycho the next time you cross the equator. Suddenly it is no longer below, but above.
I saw one Flat Earth channel try to 'prove' it, and very smugly showed an animated model of how day/night cycle would work. Then a few minutes later, just as smugly, showed that model of how the seasons work. Two things that could not occur at the same time. They didn't seem to get that they can't just come up with an explanation for each question in a vacuum, all the answers actually have to work with the others
What are you talking about, fool? Sun rotates above in circular and spiral motions, giving us timezones and seasons. Take off your tin foil hat.
@@Globehoax then explain sunsets
@@GlobehoaxYou still haven’t explained how any of that could work or how Southern hemisphere has longer days in summer instead of shorter. Why is the man with the answers taking so long to answer?
@@Globehoax🌍🌎🌏 the site you use has sphere earth emojis.
@@Globehoax It’s a joke, right ? The tin foil hat thing can’t be something someone, even stupid, could use in a serious sentence, but, I want to be sure, after all, flat earther exists…
Dave: I admire your acceptance and resignation that the information you presented will probably fall on flat earther blind eyes and deaf ears, but you still persist in doing so (probably to educate the rest of us to a higher level of understanding). Good job (and secondary thanks to Bob).
You so gullible. He is a globe shill, getting paid to post debunks no matter how absurd they are.
Globetardia is in panic mode
It was either VSauce or Isaac Arthur who had a video years ago with an animation showing how, as you approached the edge of a flat planet, your standing angle would have to get increasingly off-90-degrees vs. the surface, till near the very edge you were nearly kissing the ground just to keep from falling the other way. It was hilarious to see.
It was Vsauce
And that is only valid when you believe in gravity. Flerfs do not.
Both. Vsauce actually had the animation but Isaac Arthur also talked about this on an episode on the idea of building giant flat planets as space megastructures.
@@helmuttrzoska4572 it was still a really nice demonstration that basically forced the entire flerf community to overcomplicate their catalogue of models that is larger than the half life of a proton
Vsauce has nothing but a two-bit animation, he can't prove shit. He is schilling for the fake-science-fake-currency-neoliberal-atheist-communist-elite-admiralty law-Industrial complex!!! Flat-Hollow-Young-Earth for ever!!!!! Crypto Rulez! Free SBF! Ye/Shapiro2024 for saving the family, Christians, real America and the whole West!!!!
Ah Bob. I love how he says "our globe opponents." That's like an eight year old on the sidelines of an Arsenal game shouting at the team, "Why won't you play me? Huh? Scared?! Yeah, my opponents are too scared to take me on!" Thanks Bob
Because that's all they have, is stupidity, anger, and insults. Lol
im glad people like them exist because at least i know I'm not the dumbest person on earth
What about buyden
@@Globeisahoaxx buy them!
@@sniper7303 Chinese did
I still can’t believe this has become a “movement”. It’s one of the dumbest ideas ever and makes no sense. I almost feel bad for flerfs because they are so deluded, but their arrogance and refusal to learn makes me get over that real quick.
@@UnicornGuru it’s the dumbest thing ever and, unfortunately, none of them are smart enough to figure that out. The globe model works over and over again, while not one flat earth model has ever been able to explain tides, eclipses and GPS. It’s a movement that never has any answers, just refusals to accept them.
It is probably propagated by scam artist for money. There are always people who fall for it.
I got the impression from somewhere - probably something about Aristarchus' measurement of the distance to the sun - that educated Romans and Greeks knew that the earth is round, but that their correct knowledge was overrun by flat-earth Christian beliefs in the late Roman Empire. So this wouldn't be the first time that this has become a movement.
I used to be offended by flat earthers because, as a sailor of 50 years-odd, I know that the earth is an oblate spheroid otherwise I couldn't have navigated at sea, because celestial navigation would never work on a "flat" earth. And that was before the introduction of accurate GPS (Global Positioning System) chart-plotters which take seconds to perform calculations which used to take me a good hour to make and confirm (three times) using only sextants, calculators and Sight Reduction Tables.
Now I don't care. They can believe their childish nonsense as long as they like. Doesn't matter a damn to me. They're just a rich source of comic videos to brighten the dark winter nights.
@@clawsoon christians were never flat-earthers though? Wtf
Every time I've heard a flat earther claim I couldn't book a direct flight from one place to another, I managed to do it within about 2-3 mins. Obviously I stopped short of actually paying for the flight, but I could've lol.
yes, flat earthers lie routinely, and they use the stupidest lies
Flat earthers don't have passports, and don't have money to travel (since being an uneducated simpleton rarely pays well).
Main trick they try to do with that is that they pick two random ass cities that planes don’t really fly to. If you ever can’t find a flight between the two, look at a map and pick the biggest city nearby on one side or the other. If they try to be like, “ohhhh, but you couldn’t do what I said so you’re WRONG” you can politely ask them how the flat earth “model” disproves both the flight you could not book and the one you just did when they’re so close to each other.
Their next "ah hah!" would be "yes but if you'd actually booked it the flight would have been canceled!"
@@Driahva Of course lol, brilliant..
Man I truly respect your effort to debunk such absurd theories. I tried it myself to bring some sanity against photography based moon conspiracies theories in my italian channel and I got A LOT of insults and threats in exchange. Keep it up! I love this series.
All "photography" produced by nasa are images. Look up the definition of photo, image and picture.
Not theories flerfs only have guesses
@@nigerbear2642 theory does not mean guess in science
@@nigerbear2642
So does this "photo" from 1972 count? Or is it somehow a computer generated image decades ahead of it's time in terms of quality?
"The iconic photo, known as 'Blue Marble,' was taken by NASA astronauts Eugene 'Gene' Cernan, Ronald Evans and Harrison Schmitt on December 7 using a Hasselblad camera and a Zeiss lens, about 45,000 kilometers (28,000 miles) away from home, as the Apollo 17 crew made its way to the moon."
@@RORY1230 the one that was photoshopped? This is main stream knowledge.
If the Earth was flat , cats would have pushed everything off of it by now ..... nuff said 😸
What about dogs
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True true!
I have a much simpler test, which is right up your street.
Go to Glasgow [ approx 56 deg N ], set up a camera [ video, or long exposure still ] on a tripod at about 55 deg to the horizon, & point it roughly in the direction indicated by the north point on a compass needle. Leave it to run for an hour or so after nightfall.
Everyone will agree that you will see a series of concentric part circles, centred very close to a single point of light [ Polaris ]. The stars are seen to rotate counter-clockwise. Even flat earthers will not deny that. It proves the stars rotating in 'the Firmament'.
Now, take exactly the same apparatus down to Cape Horn Island [ or the tip of Tierra Del Fuego, to save a little cost]. The latitudes are 56 deg S & 55S. Point the tripod in the direction of the southern needle of the compass. ( Flat earthers will baulk at this, because there IS no 'South Pole' on their map, it is smeared out to a circle by their use of a north polar centric gnomonic projection ). Simply use the direction of the balancing counterweight opposite the north point on their compass.
Now, can you see 'Polaris'? Oh dear. Start the filming process exactly as before.
The result will be VERY similar to before, except that there is no Polaris star near the centre, although the stars of the 'Southern Cross' surround it.
And, what's more, this time the stars rotate CLOCKWISE.
Try explaining that on a flat earth, & then on a globe.
To really push the boat out, have two observers, making the observations simultaneously, so that flat earthers will have to explain not just stars rotating about a non-existent point in space, but stars 'rotating in The Firmament' in two different directions, depending upon where viewed from the surface of the plane.
Great idea. But flat earthers start coming up with nonsense about “personal domes” or something such nonsense.
@@TheWombat2012 I wouldn't put it past them certainly. That would 'work' for the two people making simultaneous measurements, if one of them has a personal dome that rotates clockwise, & the other has a dome that rotates counter. I would go along with the notion that what you perceive, and what I perceive can be labelled the same, by convention; just as I don't know what you perceive as 'red', it might be what I perceive as 'green', but we both agree to call it 'red'. That's a bit of philosophy that might keep Descartes awake at night. We could both agree to call one perceived direction of rotation 'clockwise' & the other 'counter clockwise', even if what we actually perceived was opposites; but there is an independent arbiter, in the form of a mechanical clock, and I'm sure my clock rotates the same way as yours ( Unless you've got one of those deliberately 'backwards' clocks ).
So, back to one person making both measurements a couple of weeks apart.
Why should my 'personal dome' rotate one way when I'm standing in Scotland, and the other way when I'm standing in Tierra Del Fuego? And, what are those southern stars rotating around, and where has Polaris gone?
By extension, if my 'personal dome' rotates counter-clockwise in Scotland, and clockwise in TDF, there must be some point where it becomes stationary, before starting to spin the other way. The Equator would be a good bet So if I set up my apparatus on the equator, I should see my personal dome stationary. I've not seen the pictures, but I would guess that far from seeing a stationary star field, I would see straight star trails going from horizon to horizon, with sets of very slightly curved tracks either side, curving in opposite directions. Flat earthers will dismiss that as an 'artefact of the lens'.
But anyway, ALL of my observations can be predicted, simultaneously, by one simple model of a rotating spherical Earth. The 'Discworld' [ no offence to Sir Terry Pratchett RIP ] requires 'personal domes' that people drag around with themselves, and which start, stop, & start again in opposite direction, depending where I stand.
I agree that is a conclusive proof. The problem is how to explain to a FE why that is a proof.
For even more fun, if you go to the equator and set up a camera, you can see both rotating domes at the same time.
@@kylie_h1978 That was my general thought in my comment about 'personal domes', but I hadn't found any actual photos of equatorial star trails at the time.
on the topic of orbits, it would be hilarious to map polar orbits, which would necessarily need to be mapped over the entire "circumference" of the south pole and magically coalesce into a single point again
iirc they show such orbits as reversing direction after coming to a complete stop lol
@@wolf2403 Ah, the classic "windshield wiper" orbit.
@@Lemon_Inspector Exactly, always a flat favourite.
I asked Gleem to Map the Orbit of the Sun on the Flat Eart Model for the Southern Hemisphere during Summer showing how the Sun Rises upto 120° SE & Sets upto 120° SW like it is shown on Current Date & Time website & as I have seen with my own eyes from Southern Victoria, Gleem & every other Flerf I have asked since have still completely failed to do this.
Well some might argue that's why they don't go exactly over the pole but miss it by a few degrees, or a fraction of a degree. They wouldn't want all the satellites at the same altitude coming to that point at the same time and colliding if it was exact. As for the South Pole being a very long circumference and not a point, that should mean there's room for thousands of South Pole science bases from all the countries who want one, not just one at a point.
Whats the flat earthers fascination with NASA? They do know there are more space agencies in the world right?
i asked one the exact same question and he stated that they are all under the controll of nasa...
@@peaveyst7ah yes, the EU, my favorite Russian puppet state
Earth is a ball
Nasa owns all space companies
technically, no, no flat earther has ever been observed to actually "know" anything. they just make a lot of noise.
@@peaveyst7 They always come up with those stupid excuses :D
I saw the ISS in the sky this week
I see a local sun every day
@@GlobeisahoaxxNo you don’t.
@@Globeisahoaxx That's not true, it's just the strength of your beliefs, because realistically no one, not even a flat-earther, has seen the sun locally 🤗
@@Globeisahoaxx You see a Sun, and you think it's local, because you're not very smart. In reality, you are incapable of determining how far away it is.
That is if you did see the Sun every day to begin with. Obviously you don't, because you're a troll in a basement copying and pasting the same comments all day for reasons that I can only hope are good for you and people around you.
@@Globeisahoaxx Ratio
All these years all I ever wanted was a debate between flat earthers and hollow earthers...
Just light the blue touch paper and run 😁
Hollow Earth is an absolute masterpiece. Even trying my best to suspend my disbelief I can only go "... Eh?!"
I have never heard of hollow Earth...
There's probably overlap there.
They are very good at ignoring inconsistencies when it fits their sense of tribal allegance.
Actually, I've seen enough cons for my entire life. They usually believe anything that is against "normal" worldview, and never try to turn all their fakes into one stable system.
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Russia is conservative(that allows to shorten all science budgets and build more temples) and your USA guys are just old liberals
Came for the flat earth debunking, stayed for the sleepy dog!
sleeepyyy dogooo :D
If the earth was flat cats would push everything off it.
I didn't even see that dog until I read this comment. 😌
I love that while you explain all this, your precious dog just sits there happily. good stuff.
could only pay attention to half the video, dog was too cute
that dog is cute and important for the video
You know many ordinary people assume the moon can't be out during the daytime?
Yes, I don't know how they have come to this conclusion, but I've had workmates who have said this, and I have heard people call in to radio stations expressing shock and surprise when they finally see it during the day. "But how's it possible for the Moon to be out during the day??"
It's like somehow they think that the Moon causes the night...
Refraction of the atmosphere aside, the Sun and Moon are above the horizon half the time as seen from every place on Earth, averaged over a year. The Moon is up while the Sun is up half the time, and the Moon is down while the Sun is down half the time.
I half knew this until recently. The earth rotates once every day, and the moon orbits once every twelve days.
@@TheWatermelonSquad1000 you mean once every 27.3 days... Roughly two fortnights.
I think this is the first flat earth debunking video that didn't use so much math, geometry, physics, etc that no one could really be convinced anyway. Well done. These are figures and math that normal people can look at, understand and verify.
Imagine not believing in math, in basic maths
Professor dave has a series all about proving earth isnt flat without math
@@prosperitystarflat eathers aren’t know to be the smartest people, many flat earthers only believe so because they aren’t smart enough to grasp how the solar system works, so this is a great video to show them for that exact reason.
We need a big budget Flat Earth movie. It would be awesome
Or, you can just take them outside on a clear night and point out that celestial objects go over our heads in a circular path, up, then over, then down, always at the same speed across the celestial sphere, as opposed to the flat, planar (disc-shaped) and much straighter path, with highly varied apparent speed, that they would take across the sky under any and all flat-Earth models. Problem solved. Even a special-ed first-grader can grasp it.
So if the flat-Earther continues to assert that the Earth is very obviously flat even with these observations, you may be assured they are knowingly lying, and tell them so to their face. No fuss, no videos, no complex arguments, no calculations, and no theory about remote objects or events that must be envisioned mentally, are needed. Really no mental effort at all on their part. Just honesty about their own beliefs and degree of comprehension.
"And then deleted the video"
That's how you know they don't want to "find the truth", they just want to be right.
Well you see, the thing the real flat earthers wont tell you is that the actual reason for the day night cycle and eclipses and all that is the sun and moon are actually extremely large flashlight bulbs that god has made and just wiggles around over earth like a parent jiggling keys at their newborn.
This is one of the best debunks out there because anybody with some extra time can work out the math and it’s irrefutable.
Nothing is truly “irrefutable” if you ignore facts that don’t support your claim… so by ignoring basically everything we can demonstrably prove about the Earth’s orbit and space, and then also not bothering to prove their claims at all, they can still manage to believe whatever they want, also calling it “irrefutable”. 🙄
Yes, rhetorically or with an exceptionally high degree of certainty, it's irrefutable. Technically and granularly, there can always be something to refute anything.@@unspezifische5924
Flat Earther: "It's Refuseable"
fire burns. irrefutable
Math is fake news. So is science and logic.
One thing you didn't mention is the path the fixed stars take on the night sky. If the Earth is a disc centered on the North Pole, the entire night sky should rotate around the North Pole, with the southernmost stars appearing to move the fastest. What we see instead is that the stars rotate around both poles, with the stars above the Equator appearing to move the fastest and the stars above the South Pole appearing to stand still. This is irreconcilable with the usual model of the flat Earth.
Flerfers seem to be quite capable of believing two contradictory things, maybe they would say that the south pole is also in the middle, i.e. that there are two middles. No, not on the other side or in the same place, just two middles. Don't think about it too hard.
@@bramvanduijn8086 two middles? Hmmmm.... What kind of rotating euclidean surface would fit into this model? Hmmmm....
Though many have pointed out details that refute the concept of a flat earth, I think this is the simplest, most obvious refutation! You didn't mention that the stars rotate around the sky counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere sky, and clockwise in the southern hemisphere sky. This is impossible if the earth is flat!
@@steveerickson938 Arguably there's something even more obvious, which is that if the Sun moves in a circle above the flat plane of the Earth, it should be impossible for it to set below the horizon. Even with the bullshit flat earthers say about the Sun somehow shining down on just a portion of the Earth (a larger one on the Southern Hemisphere, too!), it should never be able to touch the horizon, because that would mean the Sun is in direct contact with the Earth. Ancient people could get away with this by believing in a finite flat disc and by not knowing about time zones.
I actually have a legitimate question about this. How far off from the equator do you need to be to make this visible? If I’m 100 feet on one side or the other, does that change the direction?
I’ve actually taken the Sydney-Johannesburg flight. It didn’t take twice as long as a Los Angeles-Sydney flight, as it would based on the FE map. In fact, both flights were quite similar in length (within an hour or two, if I’m remembering correctly). Given the fuel range of long-haul aircraft and the speed at which they travel, it would not be possible to fly from Australia to South Africa without stopping to refuel, plus make the journey as quickly as the L.A.-Sydney flight.
I’ve pointed this out to flerfers - as well as pointing out the Souther Star’s stationary position as the other stars in the Southern Hemisphere rotate in a circle around it. Things I’ve done or seen myself. Things anyone can do or see if they are able to travel. I get told that I’m lying. One person told me that they fill the airplane with some knock-out gas to put everyone to sleep so we’re not aware how long we’re in the air and we miss the landing for refueling. That’s a great hypothesis except for the fact that clocks when we arrive say we’ve only been in the air for 16 hours or whatever it was. Did the rest of the world stop their clocks just to fool us?
Nothing is more hilarious to me than watching a flerfer test these things and discover that the results match the globe model. Seeing them attempt to reason their way out of the easily replicated results is the best part.
Is southern hemisphere located at the bottom of the ball?
@@Globehoax "Is southern hemisphere located at the bottom of the ball?"
No. Because sphere's don't have a top and a bottom. Australia is known as the Land Down Under purely to mess with your head.
@@Globehoax nope. There’s no "bottom." But feel free to disprove the Southern Star or my experience with flights between Australia and South Africa.
@@maxfan1591 so where southern hemisphere is located?
@@DaveTexas so where is south pole then
"Bla bla gravity isnt real yadda yadda"
Okay but tell me wtf kinda yoyo physics you got to suspend a gaint fire ball and boulder above a flat plane, twirling about its center??