Warlord Games Epic Push of Pike infantry sprue. My thoughts on it and basing.?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มี.ค. 2023
- I was very kindly sent a sprue of the new pike and shotte from Warlord Games.
Thank you Paul Sawyer.
So here’s my thoughts on it and a box to base review.
Thanks to my channel sponsors as always.
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"All I will probably ever need" - A wargamers famous last words!!
Hahaha yep, who am I trying to kid. It never ends does it mate hahaha
Solid work all around, Leon. The basing is a clever idea and it worked out really well with the final reveal. They’ll look great when the banners are on and the army is fleshed out.
Thanks James. I kinda wish I’d made the flag poles a bit longer, so they’d stand out more. Might do that with future regiments
Great Review. Wicked work m8. Love the bases.
Thanks Nik. Less broken pikes this way lol
Thank you for your help and advice as always, Leon, brilliant!
Thanks buddy
That basing idea is an excellent one. It addresses one of the concerns I had about these minis. Nice one.
Thanks buddy. Yep them pikes hanging over the bases just didn’t feel or look right to me. Plus this lets you have a bit more fun with basing materials
fantastic job. Love how they look based and painted. Like your suggestions for basing
Thanks mate. Hopefully it’ll cut down on broken pikes.
Nice little sculpts those ECW I would be very pleased with the basing you have done ,great tip with the highlights good vid Leon
Thanks buddy. They are lovely minis.
Great work, love the basing idea!
Thanks buddy. Hopefully using these bases for will save hours of trying to glue pikes back on lol. Not to mention the cursing hahaha
Great work!
Thanks mate
Looks good! I've recently embarked on a 10mm pike and shot era project and am also going for the big base approach (but in my case, both pike and shot on the same base). Really like your mixture of foam and grass to add texture to the bases!
Thanks Will.
I was tempted to put them all on one base too.
Really Impressive work Leon
Cheers mate
Looking Great Buddy all well here hope this year be best ever for us all.
Thanks mate. Glad to hear it
Very nice, look great. Bases look good too!
Thanks buddy
Love the way you based them. If fact your whole method of painting with the limited highlighting and all is great.
Thanks buddy. In the past I would of wasted hours painting and highlighting all that hidden stuff.
Excellent job!👏
Thanks buddy 😊
Leon mate, you've nailed it with the bases. I'm going to have to rethink my plan for basing now!!!! 👍👍
Thanks mate. Always happy to help scupper someone’s plans 😆🤣
You've painted them wonderful, iam really looking forward to get my hands on mine
Thanks buddy. Have you got WI.? Free sprue on there
@@leont66wargaming31 yes, I've got one! :D
Excellent 👍🏻
Nicely done Leon, some good tips.
Thanks Ken
Very cool mate. Basing looks great!
Thanks buddy.
Yes,, definitely going with a variant of this basing, looks so much better!
Probably just three bases for pikes and push the musketeers back a peg on their double-basing so i can stand them back-to-side against the pikemen when in hedgehog (hopefully this will look more cohesent/squarish) :)
Amazing work, looking forward to everyones converted and mixed-up companies with warlord, peter pig & steel fist miniatures!
Yes I was very tempted to just use 3 bases for the pike. I might do a couple like that just for variation.
Excellent job on those figures Leon and the basing idea is genius mate! Are you planning to do a painting tutorial at some point?
Can’t wait to get started on my stuff as soon as it’s delivered.
All the best.
Keith
Thanks mate. I was thinking about doing a tutorial, but there’s that many different colours… I’m not sure which one to do lol.
Look fantastic Leon, well done. Ordered the battlefield collection starter set and can’t wait. Where’s my war games illustrated - want it a month early 🤣🤣🥴
Thanks mate. I do like all the buildings, great for lots of periods with all the ones I have already.
Yes can’t wait for my WI too 😆🤣. Will probably get to the newsagent and buy a couple extra to keep me going 😆
@@leont66wargaming31 thanks Leon for quick reply. Painting looks awesome and already subscribe to your wonderful channel. All the best Stevie
Thanks for taking the time to watch and subscribe mate.
they look great!
Thanks buddy
Nice review old bean
Thanks buddy
Great work Leon figures they would release this after I started 10mm ECW lol
Thanks Chris. Hahaha yep typical. I must admit I was expecting this set too come out at some point knowing that this is one of John Stallard’s favourite periods of history. I think we’ll also see Romans sometime this year.
Nice review Leon. Distracted again from those Austrians. I have lots of 15mm ECW so I don't think I will be doing these. Very nice to see that these will open the hobby up for another period. The ECW period should be well done with John Stallards interest in the war.
Excellent idea with the bases Leon, don't play with the button counters.
Thanks Leslie, lol I’ve got some more Austrians on the bench, these did interrupt the painting order a bit lol. Yes I reckon John will have been all over these Push of pike minis to make sure they were spot on before release
Nice review mate, am still on the fence as currently fallen down the epic waterloo rabbit hole
Cheers John. Yes mate I’ll definitely be trying to get my Napoleonics painted up before I paint many more of these
Bsaes looks really good and that is an inspiration as others have commented!
Thanks Andy mate.
Basing is excellent as the front rank is always going to be vulnerable.
Thanks buddy
They look brilliant mate. You have started me thinking, especially with Salute next month 🤦♂️
Thanks mate. Forgot Salute was coming up. Not sure I’ll make it this year
@@leont66wargaming31 oh that’s a shame, you’re going to miss out on the beers at the pub.
I think that’s probably what I’ll miss the most about not going this year
I'm an avid watcher of both your and Stuart's channels for the Epic stuff and, in addition to the great painting, you have some really good ideas here. I too have seen the elongated base approach used with 28s but I'm on the fence about it TBH. It's sole purpose is to accommodate the ported pikes and I can’t decide whether I want the ported pikes for the look (and thus probably need to use this basing) or whether to bin the ported pikes altogether and just go with an extra strip of upright pikes. This would avoid needing to use elongated bases and would allow you to base the command strip in the front rank of one strip, moving that to the rear when engaging, as would have happened. Much easier for me on the gaming front, albeit losing a bit on the visual side. If going that route I would possibly even add an extra strip of muskets to the unit on each side in order to get the correct ratio of 2:1, that would definitely look good using the firing muskets IMO. Of course the down side is you'd need extra figures for the upright pikes and that would take 7 of the 9 in a battalia box plus of course there'd be 140 ported pikes wasted from the starter :(
My main problem at the moment (still ploughing my way through a gazillion Napolenics which, like you I have split the infantry strips in half) is whether I actually need this given it will merely give a slight variation to the Napoleonic BP game. Difference with Naps is that I have a few rule sets I want to use, with ECW, there's no other rules I'd be using. Decisions, decisions LOL.
My other concern with the Epic ranges is to what extent Warlord plans to complete or even pad out the ranges as opposed to a fleeting interest, starter set, a few expansions, next. Wash, rinse, repeat. That they decided to go with their own scale makes this even more important IMO. As an example, Napoleonics, no limbers or caissons, certainly not an obscure unit type in Naps. Yes they released that (overpriced IMO) cobbled together pack of horses and an ACW limber but that's not enough IMO. Also, unlike the ACW sets, they have not released any separate command sprues for Naps either, needed just as much IMO. Luckily I can plug the gaps from elsewhere for the Naps (albeit expensively) but I'll be very cautious about buying into anymore Warlord Epic 'fire and forget' releases in all honesty. My plan now will be to wait for a year or two after any release before buying into it to see if it's still incomplete.
Very good points raised there.
The main thing I like about the elongated bases is that I can have a bit more fun making them and have them look a bit more like a diorama.
I’ll be putting a video out in a couple of days where I’ve found some alternative minis that match the scale pretty well. (Peter Pig) and they’re not too expensive either. I’ll explain more in the video but in essence you could have units with all the pikes upright and other units with pikes at port and advancing so you wouldn’t waste any minis. Also I think you only get 6 of the firing guys on the cavalry sprue so if you wanted front rank firing you’d need to get more. Using the Peter Pig minis for this would also allow you to have 3 ranks of muskets too.
I agree with you about the half finished ranges. I have used Kallistra for the ACW but haven’t found anything for the Napoleonic range yet apart from some 3D stl’s. They look very nice but I don’t have access to a 3D printer so not much use to me lol.
I must admit I’m still on the fence about buying these ECW, one because I have so many projects on the go already that starting a new one is pure madness lol.
I think waiting it out to see how the range develops is sound idea. I feel because of John Stallard’s love for this period they may well go full on with these but as you said time will tell.
So leaves me on the fence still hahaha. But it’s shiny and the magpie syndrome is strong so I’ll probably end up getting a starter set and adding it to my mountain of lead and plastic. When it’ll get painted…. Who knows lol.
@@leont66wargaming31 Thanks for the reply and explanations. I think my main issue is that if I did Napoleonics with AB I could complete the range with AB. Living outside of the U.K. and just incurring one set of postal charges, especially with rates now, is an important consideration. Thus the partial Epic ranges are less attractive, particularly given partial seems to be a trend.
I put up with it for Naps as it’s my main period, for other periods partial won’t wash. The ECW should be easier to fill out given there’s much less variety in the period, the low Cuirassier count is odd though, even given their rarity, but I suspect that will be another box or blister. What will be telling for this release is how they advance the 30YW as for that period, there’s a lot missing. Time will tell I guess.
For now (like you I have too many projects but I’m getting down them now) I think the idea of ECW is shelved. I’ll look again in a year or 18 months by which time we’ll know if they fleshed out the Nap and / or 30YW any more or whether it’s moved on to the next partial release (Romans I suspect).
Thanks for watching and following my channel mate.
I was very tempted to get AB Napoleonics. I did start getting them but decided in the end they were just a bit out of my price range, so I sold the ones I had. They are really nice minis.
I think in all honesty you’re probably right about things being missed from the range especially for the TYW. The Cuirassiers is a strange one. It’s like the Scots Greys in the British cavalry, not enough of them.
Yes I’d be amazed if we don’t see Romans sometime later this year.
I was tempted to get 28mm Romans as my main project this year but decided to finish the Austrians instead, with the possibility of an Epic range for Romans on the horizon. Yet another Rabbit hole.
@@leont66wargaming31 LOL. I did the same! Started buying my AB before about a year before the Epic release but got distracted by other things. Bought about £250 worth of French. Decided to cut my losses when Epic came out given I’d probably have needed to spend another £6-700 to finish off both sides in AB. Maybe more!! I’ll likely put them up for sale when I get round to it.
Mate of mine is doing WOTR with Perry 28mm as his next project. If I do anything else I think it will be that, but not until my Naps (and a few more other projects) are done!!
Looking forward to your future videos. Just re-watching the Nap ones now, like you I am splitting the bases, 24cm frontages is crazy IMO and defeats the object of buying Epic for me.
Great idea mate. I am still tempted by 6mm ECW at present. But these are cool no doubts. Who knows what i will decide upon in the end?
Thanks buddy. I feel this scale gives all the detail we love as wargamers and is also a good scale for gaming this period. Great eye candy on the tabletop. Might even sell my landsknechts now and stick with this scale. The starter box for these is great value and gives you enough to have variety in your gaming. (Not that I’m trying to help make up your mind lol)
Can’t believe they suckered you in again! 🤦♂️😂 Have to admit though that they do look great when painted and ranked up like that. 👍
In my defence… I’m an idiot 😆🤣😂
@@leont66wargaming31 That’s a perfectly legitimate defence that I’ve used many times myself. Good luck to you. 😂
Thank you my friend 😆
Finished unit looks good. We have tons of 25mm so we won't be going down the tiny figure road :DDD
Thanks buddy. Been thinking about doing these for years, might sell my Landsknechts now and just stick with this scale
They look amazing and done a good job painting and basing them. Your going to have another big project when you get that starter set. Are they quick to paint
Thanks Chris. They’re quite quite to paint. Quicker than it would take to do 28mm.
amazing work!! what earth do u use?
Thanks buddy.
Here’s a link to my basing video
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Top job on Northamptons mate and the basing looks great.
Thanks mate
They look excellent with this paint job and basing. I'd probably just use some ply or mdf bases and save the bother of gluing the plastic together. I just got a Prussian box set though, so I think I will sit the ECW out in Epic.
I think it's about time for Warlord to move into some Hail Caesar Epic, likely Romans vs Britons or Gauls, depending on if they go with Imperial or Caesarian. I would be all about some 7YW in Epic though.
Thanks mate. Yep ply or mdf would be equally as good.
If I was a gambling man, my money would be on Romans next but as you said, which Romans…
@@leont66wargaming31 Maybe they will surprise us and go Punic Wars?
I think that could be an option for sure.
I reckon they’ll eventually expand the Epic range over time to cover all sorts of historical periods. AWI, HYW, I think Zulus would work well in this scale. The possibilities are endless lol.
@@leont66wargaming31 I started doing Zulus a few years back and it stalled out after three boxes of married warriors. They are a real chore to force your way through in 28mm. Then again so is a horde of Celts.
I think the Sudan likely has more unit variety and river naval models would be great in Epic scale.
Ooo yes. The Sudan would be another great one.
Ha!😂 got yourself into another project?
I decided to leave it alone at the moment. I’ve got too much stuff unpainted. It’s tempting though.
They look really good.
😆 another rabbit hole to dive into 😆.
I haven’t pulled the trigger on these yet though. I’ve got too many projects on the go as well. Still going backwards and forwards with the idea of getting them.
@@leont66wargaming31 found it humorous because I want to get these but realise I’ve got too many projects on going myself.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This hobby should come with warning ⚠️ labels. Highly addictive 😆
@@leont66wargaming31 by the way. What tufts did you use on the bases?
On these I used 6mm gamers grass tufts and some clump foliage
What color primer do you use for these?
I used a grey primer.
@@leont66wargaming31 thanks!
No worries mate
Thanks. What size (mm) is the standard base?
How do they fit with current Pike & Shotte rule?
The original bases are 60x20.
How I’ve done them and the original bases both work fine with the current rules.
definitely copying your basing brilliant idea will use MDF though to save buying warlord plastic ones how will you base your cavalry
Yep mdf was my other option. Only really used the warlord ones as I’ve got loads of spares. I’m still not sure about the Cavalry bases yet. I’ve been talking with James from millers miniatures about this and we’re both undecided. I’ll have a better idea when I get a sprue, hopefully with the WI magazine. I’ll drop a video when I’ve got it and got them painted
Nice job Leon, you got the figures painted and based fast, :) are you going to buy into the epic ECW, im not sure as i've just got 28mm ECW
Thanks Martin. I’m very very tempted to buy these but still undecided, tooo many projects already lol. I like the look of 28’s over all other scales but practicality wise I think this smaller scale suits this period much better. I might just get a starter box and put it in the pile of shame until I get some other projects finished first.
@@leont66wargaming31 you can never have to many projects, i look round my hoppy space and then think actually maybe you can, lol
Hahaha yep, you DEFINITELY can, or can you.? Not that that’ll stop me buying these
I thought mine was small, but your's is tiny!
That’s what she said lol
Uneven Basing Looks Wrong
Agreed won’t be too everyone’s taste, however I don’t mind it as they’re separate they can always push forward a bit. They’ll still be behind the pikes that way