I'd love to see this version of Older Luke or Ack-To older luke as a legendary skin in Battlefront 2. Maybe even have a couple emotes like "See ya around Kid" and so on so forth. Me wanting a game skin aside, I genuinely do love this development for Ben. Like you said it's an awesome touch that he is frustrated that hes named after legends or associated with legends he can either never live up to or has never even met. Its interesting and just reinforces that Ben is indeed the best character out of the new trilogy
@Stephen Jenkins I dont think that Snoke became a joke, I really liked him, he wasn't so powerful but this dont make the character necessarily bad, he was really arrogant, and let his own apprentice kill him, he was coll and mysterious
It would help if he wasnt killed off in the second movie of the trilogy. JJ Abrams obviously set up big things for him in tfa, with "completing Kylo Rens training" and he obviously wanted Rey for some purpose, but in tlj he just wanted to interrogate and kill Rey and he never did anything to complete Kylo Ren's training.
You know I’m curious if palpatene was controlling Snoke and that’s why he didn’t care if Snoke died i mean Snoke said he felt what Kylo was doing and he didn’t stop him maybe it was on propuse since killing ones master is what sith do
@Stephen Jenkins I know, i know, but I really like him to be a mysterious guy because everyone can think anything, some people thought that he could be Ezra, or Palpatine first apprentice, I think that this makes the character more interesting, and then we got TROS....... : (
@Stephen Jenkins exactly, I liked his death, I dont think is stupid, just makes Kilo Ren even more interesting and powerfull, and I like the idea of a mysterious character, and I dont think that we have to know his true origin, but if they are going to show us, show something cool, something that makes sense, and something that dont make the character absolutely idiot. But that was what we got.
I wonder if Snoke telling Ben he “wasn’t always Snoke” is a hint that he was originally one of the Sith worshippers on Exogol that was used by Palpatine to create all those clones. Maybe twisted him with the Dark Side?
@@jonathaneilbeck2263 I like that too! Either way I hope Snoke was a person with a history before all the clones and not just a creation of Palpatine's
Perhaps the Snoke bodies age and degrade over time when they’re being possessed by Palpatine and have to be periodically replaced, which is why Snoke appeared older in TFA? If Snoke is just Palpatine the entire time that doesn’t really bother me because I love Sheev, and it’s interesting to see the sort of deception he wraps around himself in order to operate in the galaxy without alerting Luke to his return. Especially here where we see him in an entirely new environment. The man is like the ultimate manipulator, he really is the devil in the Star Wars universe, and I like how TROS gave him that feeling of an inescapable evil force. That said, if Snoke has his own personality and is semi-autonomous, almost like a Dooku character, then I would love to see what the dynamic between him and Sheev is, and why and how he was made the way he was. Perhaps his similarities to the Emperor were meant to endear the imperial remnant to him, that way they could coalesce around a shadow of the emperor they were loyal to, without all of them having to know about the Sith Eternal and the Final Order.
When I saw "The Last Jedi" I was struck by the realization that Luke, a man RAISED by his uncle never once is shown to relate to Ben as an uncle. He talks about failing Ben as a master, not as an uncle doing a pretty shit thing to his sister's kid. Now we see why. Ben drops "master" nearly as much as Obi-Wan did to Qui-Gon. That frequency indicates he's been told to do so, probably repeatedly. That's cold, almost distant. But that is not the real nature of their relationship. They are supposed to be a family. To a boy who already felt repeatedly abandoned by parents who put most of their focus on their jobs and squabbling with each other, this distance would have felt cold, left any child feeling unloved and as bit unwanted. The terms objectify and formalize what should be a familiar relationship Sheesh. The Sktwalker clan should writ a book on how NOT to raise a kid.
High Republic also sound like a camping and climbing supplier. "Mount Everest requires the best. So make sure you tackle it with The Best. Climbing Gear from High Republic."
I wish there was likevise a three year skip between VIII and IX. Giving enough time to the writers to tell awesome stories with the Sequel Era characters.
Yeah, I can´t imagine why they didn´t at least used people like Rose and Poe, to give them a better development, or Kylo Ren, even Phasma as a somehow compelling villain, show some other factions in the way TCW did, but neh, they had to go for stupid silly Kaz on the lead hehe
Does anyone else find it just extremely unsatisfying when trying to tie all of this awesome stuff to the information we learned in TROS. I mean Snoke just being Palpatine makes him seem pointless and the fact the Knights do nothing but die in the movie makes them seem pointless. I kinda just try to ignore all of that myself, this stuff is just too damn good to not love it on its own. EDIT: Eh, so Alex feels the same way. Now i don't feel like i'm the only one. I completely agree that if Ben maybe lived this would have so much more weight to it.
Rocko Steel I blame JJ on that he harp too much on nostalgia and never focus on its substance or it’s meaning Disney should never let have that much control on the ending
@@superthorc6894 supposedly he did not want any interference from the story group either which explains all of the massive inconsistencies from previous material. He's someone that focuses solely on emotion weither it makes sense or not, the ending of the movie is a perfect example of that. I do think that mindset can work though, i like most things JJ does but he needs good writers which he is not one and Chris Terrio is definitely not either. Lawerence Kasdan steered the ship that was TFA, this movie proved that.
@Stephen Jenkins i am reading this a lot so please tell me what plot threads he destroyed. snoke, thats the one i understand but the rest? he followed everything. luke, poe, finn, rey. its not his fault that jj decided to just do reys parents again.
Preach it! You bring the Bible and I'll bring the tambourine. I think killing Ben will go down as the forgetting Chewie's medal moment of this trilogy.
@@micheledeetlefs6041... its even worse than Chewie. Ben was the central character of the ST and the last Skywalker ( the Skywalker saga ?). In theater we just couldn't believe that they ended him like this.
The Snoke thing doesn’t bother me too much since we don’t know his whole story yet. Until proven otherwise I imagine he is like the clones sure those other things in the take will look and sound like him but their personality and experience will be different from Snoke, still making him his own character.
@@pietropietro5466 I don't think Snoke is a clone, but rather Palpatine's attempt to create another Anakin, but in this case he was mostly a failure. Thus we have Snoke, who might have power but whose body is degrading at a faster rate than normal. My personal headcanon is that Anakin was created by Plageius and that Palpatine was never able to perfectly replicate what his master had achieved.
@@pietropietro5466 Palpatine probably created Snoke using Sith sorcery (as seen in The Clone Wars and Rebels) with the aid of advanced technology. An army of this clone wouldn't make sense as Palpatine can only control one at a time. If Snoke is a created living being with thoughts of his own, he could possibly rebel against Palpatine and of course the latter would not want that.
Charles Soule has unofficially dubbed it the "T-Wing." And yeah, it's design is heavily influenced by several Rebel ships, although it appears to be too big to actually have just been cobbled together parts. Too much room in the cockpit (three forward-facing seats, when the max we've seen in a Y-Wing is two), plus it apparently has a small medbay behind the cockpit, as seen in Issue #1.
@@infinitesheldon5710 My guess is that one of the Rebel/New Republic shipyards decided to make some sort of long-range or personal transport ship and just based the design off the other ships they made. Still looks really cool in the same way a pug is cute.
Since the knowledge we now have from TROS of “I have been every voice you have ever heard inside your head”, when “Snoke” is talking to Ben in the ship during the flashback, it’s actually Palpatine
I really like that space greenhouse that Snoke is living in. I want to learn more about it. I hope we get more of his story later. I’m loving this mini-series.
I still think that Snoke was maybe instructed by Palpatine, but not fully controlled. It is confirmed that Snoke witnessed the rise and fall of the Empire, so he must have been around at least ever since 19 BBY (in one form or another). I like the thought that Snoke is Palpatines experiment on the teachings of Plagueis, to create life with the help of Midichlorians. He succeeded, but kept some 'backups' just in case. And what still startles me a bit is the fact that both Leia and Han knew him, even though we don't know to what extent. It seemed to me that he played a rather prominent role in this whole New Republic continuity
I wish the sequels had been four movies, with the first including Ben’s fall. The whole sequel portion completely encapsulating his fall by Luke and Snoke then redemption through Rey and Leia. Oh well. Looking forward to the next saga
I don't see why you just don't get it yet. It's okay if Snopes a puppet for Palpatine. Pop Toons the big bad. He always has been. So if you see all 9 movies and you get up to the six where you think Palpatine is killed by getting thrown down a shaft and then you know that 20-30 years later he really wasn't but he's really banged up and he can't do anything for himself he needs help and smokes the puppet for this then it just makes the story even better. Because it's like this guy cannot die and he has so much power he's still pulling the strings. That's what a big bad is.
Am i the only one that thought Ren looks A LOT like Ben? *puts on tinfoil hat* what if Ren is a version of Ben snatched from some point in time via The world between worlds and corrupted fully by Snoke-patiene.
Jacob Chapman So was Ackbar. But everyone lost their crap over him. I’m not “mad” that a meme character died, I’m just sad he died. No joke, he was one of my favorite side characters in the originals. He’s one of those characters that put a smile on my face and I’m just bummed he had to go.
Yeah I agree with you there but at the same time I imagine if this did come out pre-TROS, it would still be a disappointment because it would play up Snoke really as a unique, compelling character that would be utterly tossed aside by the TROS revalations. At least this being released after means we can speculate, and hell maybe the final issue can hint towards or even show Palps.
Sharil Shahed The moral of the story: There will never be a Star Wars product from any medium that’ll 100% satisfy anybody, so those people saying that “________ divided the Star Wars fandom” are mistaken about a great many things.
The "Old Republic" was probably just called "The Republic" during its existence. The High Republic is an era of the Galactic Republic, the government that replaced the Old Republic.
I will say that Palpatine-as-Snoke adds a really interesting dimension to the comic version of the character. Whenever he speaks into Ben's mind, he *oozes* the false-grandfatherly sympathy of Palpatine from the prequels - something I really appreciate, given how offputting it is to see this famous political manipulator decide in TROS that his best bet for re-conquering the galaxy is just a huge invasion fleet. Also, both here and in Snoke's Age of Resistance story, you can just feel how his condescension towards Luke is masking a lot of anger, resentment, and longing. He's *still* frustrated that Luke refused him in Return of the Jedi, and he fluctuates between mocking Skywalker for becoming the same sort of weak-willed Jedi he killed off, and fantasizing about what might have been had he joined him.
Q: How is the mando going to learn about significance of the darksaber? I could see the armorer knowing about it. It could also be a flashback to his time in Darkwatch. Or Moff could do some exposition, possibly including the mando just to reiterate that he is the bad guy who knows all.
In Legends, the outlaw who happens to run into and get hired by the secret son of the Chosen One and Space Hitler, actually turns out to be from the ancient dynasty of Corellian kings who ruled Han's homeworld for 5,000 years. Yeah, pass on that one. Give me made-up Solo any day.
‘High Republic’ is a cool name for the Republic before the time of the Prequel Trilogy. I never liked “Old Republic” as a name, because it was also used in later years to refer to the version which became the Empire.
One thing I'm surprised you didn't touch on was Snoke's perspective on names, encouraging Ben to take on a different name that he chooses for himself (which I'm guessing is what will ultimately lead to the name "Kylo"). During the speech, Snoke mentions that he wasn't always Snoke, and that he "became" Snoke. Could be a reference to the fact that he's actually Sidious, controlling a puppet body? At least, that was my take
What if snoke was actually palpatines attempts at making a force sensetive Clone body for himself as up till that point his physical body was still undead. I'd also like to mention that palpatines return though iffy isn't the first time a sith has been able to live beyond his physical bodies death in his undead physical body as in legends andedu was stated by darth warylock to have managed to survive in his deceased physical body for many years and even returned to his dead physical body by draining the life force of a disciple.
His frustration stems from his family treating him as if he were some kind of problematic conflict diamond so very valuable but hard to sell. No other students or academy at this time yet he has to be so formal following the strict Jedi code. Leia sent the boy off to the great Jedi Luke Skywalker. Ben is upset his family, the family has abandoned him. He’s a child still when he gets to Luke yet Luke who trained with Yoda on the weekends basically is running a tight ship. These stories were always meant to fill in the characters backgrounds, to say they feel flat post Episode IX seems like hollow complaint.
Is it me or they tried to make Ren look like Ben and Han ? Maybe there is a reason why Leia left Han and Ben seemed to still love his mother but not his father in episode VII
Why are so many people let down by Ben Solos death in Ep.9. It was either death or life long exile. Its not like he could have just hang out with rey and the others again. he is still a mass murderer and a war criminal.
But he could learn from his mistakes, save the galaxy in the future multiple times and make a better place for the next generations. He could help kids who have the same problems as himself when he was young so they don't go the same path as he did. He could save more lives in the future than he had killed in the past. A dead man can't learn from his mistakes and change the galaxy. All the change he could have made, all the people he could have saved died with him. A real redemption arc is when he has the chance to make changes.
@@bluebirdfly9748 yeah and he could have startet a charity and teached pre schoolers. he was in controll of a facist gouvernment for over a year. it was death or exile for him.
@@TheEnecca Star wars is about hope. Not about punishment. His dead can't bring the dead people back but if he lives he could save people who would have died without his help. So the question is, what will the galaxy gain from his dead? Only revenge. I would write TROS and Ben's redemption arc completely different than JJ and Chris did. Rather correct your mistakes and that at the beginning of the movie than sacrifice your life for one woman. And we shouldn't ignore that he is a victim of abuse and manipulation. So another important question would be, is he completely responsible for his action or is it Palpatine's doings? But one thing I know for sure, I want a Star Wars movie with hope where we can see with our own eyes that a man who done bad things can do good things. And someday the good things will change everything.
@@TheEnecca And what is with the kids who have troubles with their dark side, with depression and anxiety just like himself and his grandfather. He knows how it feels to lose everything on the dark side. He could prevent the next Kylo Ren or the next Darth Vader. Only he can because the lightsiders have failed to protect their pupil from the dark side. The galaxy would gain nothing from his dead or an exile where he is doing nothing. They only would lose.
Because JJ Abrams is a hack. However, with Palpatine you can always say "he knew what would happen and didn't really want what he said he wanted/told his goons to do" with relative accuracy.
I was just thinking about the whole Snoke story line. If there were extra Snokes and there was so many years between Last Jedi & Rise Of Skywalker, couldn't the Emperor just have inserted a new Snoke into the Picture ( or would a new one be a blank slate with no knowledge of what the former Snoke knew ). Why let Ben become the Supreme leader if the Emperor was running things by way of Snoke. It just seems all to confusing to think about. Maybe I am way off on my thinking. I don't know.
Sounds good to me. I just was curious. For some reason I thought there was more time between the last two movies. Maybe I was wrong in thinking that. Anyways, thanks for the reply to my comment.
I agree that seeing Ben being manipulated into becoming Kylo Ren is very disheartening after we know where his story is going to be going, but I think that's the point. That Ben Solo is supposed to be a tragic character who is ultimately the victim of manipulation. I feel like if you read this comic then watch the sequels you will get this sense that Ben is a tragic character. This is what I love about the new canon, all these little tie-in stories go a long way to making the films that much more enjoyable, especially if you read them in chronological order.
Exactly with Alex here. I'm trying not to think too hard about Snoke and Palpatine and all that stupid shit that TROS brought up. BUT knowing Ben dies at the end of all this is down right cruel. He deserved to live with Rey, the Last Jedi, atone for his sins(which were also due to strong manipulation from a young age), and live out his life helping new force users. His death stings so much and reading this doesn't help.
This comic is great. It further shows how much Ben has suffered and been manipulated growing up. In my opinion, Ben deserved a happier ending in TROS. After all these films, the death of the last Skywalker feels like a win for Palpatine in the end.
Why does the original leader of The Knights of Ren in this look like an older version of Ben Solo, when he’s not Ben Solo? He was the leader before Ben became Kylo Ren.
Given what we learned about Palpatine in Rise of Skywalker, do you think that Palpatine only viewed the Empire as means to an end to eventually achieve a form of total galactic dominance like Joruus C'baoth was seeking? Was the Empire only a stepping stone to the Final Order and then the greater Imperial military and bureaucracy would have been eliminated once it served it purpose?
If Ben would have have lived in the ROS, and turned out to be the true hero after coming back into the light and defeating Palpatine, instead of Rey, I think it would have made a world a of difference in the end, especially considering he is actually apart of the Skywalker bloodline. The title of the movie would have made more sense and it would have made for a good twist in the end.
It’s not supposed to be easy to watch Ben fall! That was one of the problems with Aniken to me was there was too much foreshadowing. By the first five minutes of attack of the clones you could tell he was kind of a screwball already. People like that are easy to sway and manipulate.
He knows. Remember, that temple is actually in Jordan, yet in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, it is supposedly in Egypt. Alex says that the Temple is in Jordan, from Indiana Jones, meaning that most people will recognize it from Last Crusade.
Yeah, I was interested in all this until Rise of Skywalker. Now I don't really care about any other stories from Sequal Trilogy characters. Time for a new era.
This trilogy should of been around this era. I would of loved to see Luke in his prime, and how the jedi fell a second time. I still think it's B.S. that they think that Kylo is more stronger then Luke in the force
@@Stringer13ell according to the Tales of the Jedi, the Republic highly expanded after the Sith Wars with Exar Kun. That was just an idea, but they may tell the story of the fall of the Sith Empire(the SWTOR faction) and the rise of Darth Ruin, a Jedi who created a New Sith Brotherhood.
Wow...that fight was pretty lame. I mean it makes sense for luke to properly kick all the knights of rens behind but its still a very underwhelming first encounter. I also imagined all the knights besides ren were around the same age as him, seems really weird he’s the youngest one and also the leader. Still interested to see where it goes but I hardly get why ben wanted to join a group of losers.
Once again, Disney puts the most interesting and most important parts of a storyline into the comics rather than in the films. Obviously, you can put more into the outside material (comics, books, etc) than you can in the films. But a flashback or two of Luke training Ben like this in TLJ, instead of Canto Bight, would have solved several issues I had with the film, and it would have whetted our appetites for these comics and books. Instead, it seems that Disney is almost 'forcing' people to purchase the comics and books in order to understand the story they were trying to tell in the sequel trilogy.
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I'd love to see this version of Older Luke or Ack-To older luke as a legendary skin in Battlefront 2. Maybe even have a couple emotes like "See ya around Kid" and so on so forth.
Me wanting a game skin aside, I genuinely do love this development for Ben. Like you said it's an awesome touch that he is frustrated that hes named after legends or associated with legends he can either never live up to or has never even met. Its interesting and just reinforces that Ben is indeed the best character out of the new trilogy
Old Luke doesn’t make sense as a skin though, he wouldn’t move at all like ROtJ Luke.
@@luckysix1015 Eh, it would work well enough. You could even just use the version he made himself look like when he fought Kylo on Crait.
Very exciting news of the High Republic.
Knight of Ren: Hello there!
*same Knight of Ren gets choked and dies*
Ben Solo: What just happened Uncle?
Luke Skywalker: Ghosts!
man, I really wish Snoke wasn't some weird pals clone evil minion but his own evil character. I just think he's too cool to not be his own thing
@Stephen Jenkins I dont think that Snoke became a joke, I really liked him, he wasn't so powerful but this dont make the character necessarily bad, he was really arrogant, and let his own apprentice kill him, he was coll and mysterious
It would help if he wasnt killed off in the second movie of the trilogy. JJ Abrams obviously set up big things for him in tfa, with "completing Kylo Rens training" and he obviously wanted Rey for some purpose, but in tlj he just wanted to interrogate and kill Rey and he never did anything to complete Kylo Ren's training.
You know I’m curious if palpatene was controlling Snoke and that’s why he didn’t care if Snoke died i mean Snoke said he felt what Kylo was doing and he didn’t stop him maybe it was on propuse since killing ones master is what sith do
@Stephen Jenkins I know, i know, but I really like him to be a mysterious guy because everyone can think anything, some people thought that he could be Ezra, or Palpatine first apprentice, I think that this makes the character more interesting, and then we got TROS....... : (
@Stephen Jenkins exactly, I liked his death, I dont think is stupid, just makes Kilo Ren even more interesting and powerfull, and I like the idea of a mysterious character, and I dont think that we have to know his true origin, but if they are going to show us, show something cool, something that makes sense, and something that dont make the character absolutely idiot.
But that was what we got.
I wonder if Snoke telling Ben he “wasn’t always Snoke” is a hint that he was originally one of the Sith worshippers on Exogol that was used by Palpatine to create all those clones. Maybe twisted him with the Dark Side?
My theory Snoke was a Sith Lord that cloned him many, many years before the Skywalker Saga and Palpatine decided to use the clones.
@@jonathaneilbeck2263 I like that too! Either way I hope Snoke was a person with a history before all the clones and not just a creation of Palpatine's
i like to think he is a clone of plaguies
@@caelinnis plagueis is different
I think snoke is a failed palpatine clone that palpatine decided to use as a puppet until he can fully return
Perhaps the Snoke bodies age and degrade over time when they’re being possessed by Palpatine and have to be periodically replaced, which is why Snoke appeared older in TFA?
If Snoke is just Palpatine the entire time that doesn’t really bother me because I love Sheev, and it’s interesting to see the sort of deception he wraps around himself in order to operate in the galaxy without alerting Luke to his return. Especially here where we see him in an entirely new environment. The man is like the ultimate manipulator, he really is the devil in the Star Wars universe, and I like how TROS gave him that feeling of an inescapable evil force.
That said, if Snoke has his own personality and is semi-autonomous, almost like a Dooku character, then I would love to see what the dynamic between him and Sheev is, and why and how he was made the way he was.
Perhaps his similarities to the Emperor were meant to endear the imperial remnant to him, that way they could coalesce around a shadow of the emperor they were loyal to, without all of them having to know about the Sith Eternal and the Final Order.
When I saw "The Last Jedi" I was struck by the realization that Luke, a man RAISED by his uncle never once is shown to relate to Ben as an uncle. He talks about failing Ben as a master, not as an uncle doing a pretty shit thing to his sister's kid. Now we see why.
Ben drops "master" nearly as much as Obi-Wan did to Qui-Gon. That frequency indicates he's been told to do so, probably repeatedly. That's cold, almost distant. But that is not the real nature of their relationship. They are supposed to be a family. To a boy who already felt repeatedly abandoned by parents who put most of their focus on their jobs and squabbling with each other, this distance would have felt cold, left any child feeling unloved and as bit unwanted. The terms objectify and formalize what should be a familiar relationship
Sheesh. The Sktwalker clan should writ a book on how NOT to raise a kid.
Such an awesome detail! I never thought of that... and I wish it was explored more in the latest film at least.
@@TheArtkaw We both do. I'd love to see Adam Driver acting his butt off with it, giving voice to all the insecurities he's tamped down inside.
Yeah really.
High Republic sounds like a death stick epidemic.
"Our Top Story here at the Republic News Network, are your children safe from the new death stick trend, High Republic? More At 11"
You don't want to sell me your death stick
This is the reason why the New Republic did'nt help the Resistance, because they too much busy smoking death sticks and snorting spices.
High Republic also sound like a camping and climbing supplier. "Mount Everest requires the best. So make sure you tackle it with The Best. Climbing Gear from High Republic."
@@hyde6859 I don't want to sell you death sticks
Edgy naked guy in the mask: "No... I am your father!"
Ben Swolo: "NOOOOOOO!!!"
Ben: "Oh, wait, I hate my dad. COOOOOOOL!!!!!!"
I wish Star Wars Resistance was like Clone Wars and we got to see all of this in animated form
Exactly
That would have been impossible given animation lead time. Unless, you know, they actually had planned out the story beforehand.
I wish there was likevise a three year skip between VIII and IX. Giving enough time to the writers to tell awesome stories with the Sequel Era characters.
Yeah, I can´t imagine why they didn´t at least used people like Rose and Poe, to give them a better development, or Kylo Ren, even Phasma as a somehow compelling villain, show some other factions in the way TCW did, but neh, they had to go for stupid silly Kaz on the lead hehe
@@sampines5494 yeah that is a good point
Does anyone else find it just extremely unsatisfying when trying to tie all of this awesome stuff to the information we learned in TROS. I mean Snoke just being Palpatine makes him seem pointless and the fact the Knights do nothing but die in the movie makes them seem pointless. I kinda just try to ignore all of that myself, this stuff is just too damn good to not love it on its own.
EDIT: Eh, so Alex feels the same way. Now i don't feel like i'm the only one. I completely agree that if Ben maybe lived this would have so much more weight to it.
Rocko Steel I blame JJ on that he harp too much on nostalgia and never focus on its substance or it’s meaning
Disney should never let have that much control on the ending
Stephen Jenkins looking at JJ track record on ending I say I’m not far off on that
Remember guys Palpatine never said that Snoke is his clone just said he made him. He could be made from someone else DNA or something like that.
@@superthorc6894 supposedly he did not want any interference from the story group either which explains all of the massive inconsistencies from previous material. He's someone that focuses solely on emotion weither it makes sense or not, the ending of the movie is a perfect example of that.
I do think that mindset can work though, i like most things JJ does but he needs good writers which he is not one and Chris Terrio is definitely not either. Lawerence Kasdan steered the ship that was TFA, this movie proved that.
@Stephen Jenkins i am reading this a lot so please tell me what plot threads he destroyed. snoke, thats the one i understand but the rest? he followed everything. luke, poe, finn, rey. its not his fault that jj decided to just do reys parents again.
I wonder if Ren's face-reveal would become significant, aside from him dropping the helmet thing.
"Not quiet over Ben's death" - same here. Killing him was the biggest mistake in TROS.
Preach it! You bring the Bible and I'll bring the tambourine. I think killing Ben will go down as the forgetting Chewie's medal moment of this trilogy.
@@micheledeetlefs6041... its even worse than Chewie. Ben was the central character of the ST and the last Skywalker ( the Skywalker saga ?). In theater we just couldn't believe that they ended him like this.
The Snoke thing doesn’t bother me too much since we don’t know his whole story yet. Until proven otherwise I imagine he is like the clones sure those other things in the take will look and sound like him but their personality and experience will be different from Snoke, still making him his own character.
My question is how did Palpatine create a force sensitive clone? And why didn't he create an army of those clones?
@@pietropietro5466 I don't think Snoke is a clone, but rather Palpatine's attempt to create another Anakin, but in this case he was mostly a failure. Thus we have Snoke, who might have power but whose body is degrading at a faster rate than normal. My personal headcanon is that Anakin was created by Plageius and that Palpatine was never able to perfectly replicate what his master had achieved.
@@pietropietro5466 Palpatine probably created Snoke using Sith sorcery (as seen in The Clone Wars and Rebels) with the aid of advanced technology. An army of this clone wouldn't make sense as Palpatine can only control one at a time. If Snoke is a created living being with thoughts of his own, he could possibly rebel against Palpatine and of course the latter would not want that.
@@goodnesswhy I could see this. Maybe the dark side is the reason why Snoke degrades so quickly and Palpatine has other Snokes in store to use...
0:17 The hell is that? A BXY-Wing?
"What sort of ship do you want to pilot?"
"Yes"
The real ending to Rise of Skywalker is just that thing showing up to save the day instead of all the other ships.
@@Sleeper800 behold, the ultimate weapon: the Alphabet Soup-Wing!
Charles Soule has unofficially dubbed it the "T-Wing." And yeah, it's design is heavily influenced by several Rebel ships, although it appears to be too big to actually have just been cobbled together parts. Too much room in the cockpit (three forward-facing seats, when the max we've seen in a Y-Wing is two), plus it apparently has a small medbay behind the cockpit, as seen in Issue #1.
@@infinitesheldon5710 My guess is that one of the Rebel/New Republic shipyards decided to make some sort of long-range or personal transport ship and just based the design off the other ships they made. Still looks really cool in the same way a pug is cute.
Since the knowledge we now have from TROS of “I have been every voice you have ever heard inside your head”, when “Snoke” is talking to Ben in the ship during the flashback, it’s actually Palpatine
So, what kind of ship is Luke flying? It's like a Y-wing and an X-Wing had a baby.
I really like that space greenhouse that Snoke is living in. I want to learn more about it. I hope we get more of his story later. I’m loving this mini-series.
Yeah that thing is soooo sick
I still think that Snoke was maybe instructed by Palpatine, but not fully controlled. It is confirmed that Snoke witnessed the rise and fall of the Empire, so he must have been around at least ever since 19 BBY (in one form or another). I like the thought that Snoke is Palpatines experiment on the teachings of Plagueis, to create life with the help of Midichlorians. He succeeded, but kept some 'backups' just in case.
And what still startles me a bit is the fact that both Leia and Han knew him, even though we don't know to what extent. It seemed to me that he played a rather prominent role in this whole New Republic continuity
Seeing the more skilled and powerful Luke fight for the first time (not as an illusion) makes this comic worth it!
I wish the sequels had been four movies, with the first including Ben’s fall. The whole sequel portion completely encapsulating his fall by Luke and Snoke then redemption through Rey and Leia. Oh well. Looking forward to the next saga
I was not born snoke, I became snoke was the best line here
why? because it sounds like a portmanteau of smoke and snookie?
commander bean Ha that hilarious but I was going more into that line has more meaning then it should with what we know now
@@mcpics4448 he's a snookster
I don't see why you just don't get it yet. It's okay if Snopes a puppet for Palpatine. Pop Toons the big bad. He always has been. So if you see all 9 movies and you get up to the six where you think Palpatine is killed by getting thrown down a shaft and then you know that 20-30 years later he really wasn't but he's really banged up and he can't do anything for himself he needs help and smokes the puppet for this then it just makes the story even better. Because it's like this guy cannot die and he has so much power he's still pulling the strings. That's what a big bad is.
Am i the only one that thought Ren looks A LOT like Ben? *puts on tinfoil hat* what if Ren is a version of Ben snatched from some point in time via The world between worlds and corrupted fully by Snoke-patiene.
So is the high republic the golden age?
THIS IS THE OUTPOST IN JEDI LIGHT OF THE REPUBLIC OMG
I just found out Nien Numb has been confirm killed aboard the Tantive IV which also crashed at Exegol. Alex please do a video on this!
@@Wizard_Pikachu he is more important than you think
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So was Ackbar. But everyone lost their crap over him. I’m not “mad” that a meme character died, I’m just sad he died. No joke, he was one of my favorite side characters in the originals. He’s one of those characters that put a smile on my face and I’m just bummed he had to go.
@@joeiorio9654 He died as he lived, on the bridge of a mon cala cruiser fighting oppression
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And he was piloting the freaking Tantive IV!That ship was legendary
Yeah I agree with you there but at
the same time I imagine if this did come out pre-TROS, it would still be a disappointment because it would play up Snoke really as a unique, compelling character that would be utterly tossed aside by the TROS revalations. At least this being released after means we can speculate, and hell maybe the final issue can hint towards or even show Palps.
The disappointment was there either way, I'm too glad this was released after TROS .
Sharil Shahed The moral of the story: There will never be a Star Wars product from any medium that’ll 100% satisfy anybody, so those people saying that “________ divided the Star Wars fandom” are mistaken about a great many things.
Gotta say I was disappointed that the knights of ren weren’t the “dozen students.” Very curious where they wound up.
What happened to the Old Republic? Why is it high now? Is this the alternate timeline where Elan Sleazebaggano didn't go home and rethink his life?
yes
The "Old Republic" was probably just called "The Republic" during its existence. The High Republic is an era of the Galactic Republic, the government that replaced the Old Republic.
@@strongsterrence I am joking.
I will say that Palpatine-as-Snoke adds a really interesting dimension to the comic version of the character. Whenever he speaks into Ben's mind, he *oozes* the false-grandfatherly sympathy of Palpatine from the prequels - something I really appreciate, given how offputting it is to see this famous political manipulator decide in TROS that his best bet for re-conquering the galaxy is just a huge invasion fleet. Also, both here and in Snoke's Age of Resistance story, you can just feel how his condescension towards Luke is masking a lot of anger, resentment, and longing. He's *still* frustrated that Luke refused him in Return of the Jedi, and he fluctuates between mocking Skywalker for becoming the same sort of weak-willed Jedi he killed off, and fantasizing about what might have been had he joined him.
Q: How is the mando going to learn about significance of the darksaber? I could see the armorer knowing about it. It could also be a flashback to his time in Darkwatch. Or Moff could do some exposition, possibly including the mando just to reiterate that he is the bad guy who knows all.
I still hope we eventually get this as a Disney Plus series.
This is really Interesting and great thank you StarWars EXPLAINED and love your videos&Channel.
Nice review. I just read this one, was pretty good. I don't think you ever did a review of issue 1 though.
Great video and review. Cool comic
Great video Alex 🙂
In Legends, the Solo family name is real because Han's father in Legends is called Jonash Solo
In Legends, the outlaw who happens to run into and get hired by the secret son of the Chosen One and Space Hitler, actually turns out to be from the ancient dynasty of Corellian kings who ruled Han's homeworld for 5,000 years. Yeah, pass on that one. Give me made-up Solo any day.
This doesn't add up. This comic sounds great. Charles Soule knows what he is doing and communicates with the Story Group. J.J. and Chris ignored them.
Makes sense the Temple looks like the Petra site if its High Republic era and thats when the new trilogy is rumored go be set
‘High Republic’ is a cool name for the Republic before the time of the Prequel Trilogy. I never liked “Old Republic” as a name, because it was also used in later years to refer to the version which became the Empire.
The High Republic and The Old Republic are two different time periods.
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Do we know that for sure? I certainly wouldn’t mind it as a retcon, given that there’s not much Old Republic lore in Canon so far.
Yeah, Old Republic is pre Ruusan Reformation and High Republic is after the Ruusan Reformation and before the Invasion of Naboo
One thing I'm surprised you didn't touch on was Snoke's perspective on names, encouraging Ben to take on a different name that he chooses for himself (which I'm guessing is what will ultimately lead to the name "Kylo"). During the speech, Snoke mentions that he wasn't always Snoke, and that he "became" Snoke. Could be a reference to the fact that he's actually Sidious, controlling a puppet body? At least, that was my take
Wow, I love this story!
This comic seems so awesome! Does anyone know when it will be available in a trade paperback form? Would love to add this to shelf
The full TPB volume comes out in May, I believe.
@@ultratankie thank you 👊
Whoa! I had no idea this was even out yet. I thought it wasn’t coming out until the 15th.
What if snoke was actually palpatines attempts at making a force sensetive Clone body for himself as up till that point his physical body was still undead. I'd also like to mention that palpatines return though iffy isn't the first time a sith has been able to live beyond his physical bodies death in his undead physical body as in legends andedu was stated by darth warylock to have managed to survive in his deceased physical body for many years and even returned to his dead physical body by draining the life force of a disciple.
14:43 General Kenobi!
1:45 "GeNerAL kEnOBi"
His frustration stems from his family treating him as if he were some kind of problematic conflict diamond so very valuable but hard to sell. No other students or academy at this time yet he has to be so formal following the strict Jedi code. Leia sent the boy off to the great Jedi Luke Skywalker. Ben is upset his family, the family has abandoned him. He’s a child still when he gets to Luke yet Luke who trained with Yoda on the weekends basically is running a tight ship. These stories were always meant to fill in the characters backgrounds, to say they feel flat post Episode IX seems like hollow complaint.
Ren looks like future Ben
Is it me or they tried to make Ren look like Ben and Han ? Maybe there is a reason why Leia left Han and Ben seemed to still love his mother but not his father in episode VII
Thanks, Alex! 🌋
Why are so many people let down by Ben Solos death in Ep.9. It was either death or life long exile. Its not like he could have just hang out with rey and the others again. he is still a mass murderer and a war criminal.
Most galaxy didn't knew that Ben solo was Kylo ren.
But he could learn from his mistakes, save the galaxy in the future multiple times and make a better place for the next generations. He could help kids who have the same problems as himself when he was young so they don't go the same path as he did. He could save more lives in the future than he had killed in the past. A dead man can't learn from his mistakes and change the galaxy. All the change he could have made, all the people he could have saved died with him. A real redemption arc is when he has the chance to make changes.
@@bluebirdfly9748 yeah and he could have startet a charity and teached pre schoolers. he was in controll of a facist gouvernment for over a year. it was death or exile for him.
@@TheEnecca Star wars is about hope. Not about punishment. His dead can't bring the dead people back but if he lives he could save people who would have died without his help. So the question is, what will the galaxy gain from his dead? Only revenge. I would write TROS and Ben's redemption arc completely different than JJ and Chris did. Rather correct your mistakes and that at the beginning of the movie than sacrifice your life for one woman. And we shouldn't ignore that he is a victim of abuse and manipulation. So another important question would be, is he completely responsible for his action or is it Palpatine's doings? But one thing I know for sure, I want a Star Wars movie with hope where we can see with our own eyes that a man who done bad things can do good things. And someday the good things will change everything.
@@TheEnecca And what is with the kids who have troubles with their dark side, with depression and anxiety just like himself and his grandfather. He knows how it feels to lose everything on the dark side. He could prevent the next Kylo Ren or the next Darth Vader. Only he can because the lightsiders have failed to protect their pupil from the dark side.
The galaxy would gain nothing from his dead or an exile where he is doing nothing. They only would lose.
1:42 That's obviously a reference.
Hi!, I have a question, why snoke wanted to kill Rey so bad in EP 8 if he was palpatine all along and wanted ehr alive in ep 9?
Because JJ Abrams is a hack.
However, with Palpatine you can always say "he knew what would happen and didn't really want what he said he wanted/told his goons to do" with relative accuracy.
I'm pretty sure the TROS Visual Dictionary confirms that it was Ben who burned down the Jedi Temple.
Q: Do we need Magneto style helmets or masks now to keep force users out of your head?
I was just thinking about the whole Snoke story line. If there were extra Snokes and there was so many years between Last Jedi & Rise Of Skywalker, couldn't the Emperor just have inserted a new Snoke into the Picture ( or would a new one be a blank slate with no knowledge of what the former Snoke knew ). Why let Ben become the Supreme leader if the Emperor was running things by way of Snoke. It just seems all to confusing to think about. Maybe I am way off on my thinking. I don't know.
Sounds good to me. I just was curious. For some reason I thought there was more time between the last two movies. Maybe I was wrong in thinking that. Anyways, thanks for the reply to my comment.
I agree that seeing Ben being manipulated into becoming Kylo Ren is very disheartening after we know where his story is going to be going, but I think that's the point. That Ben Solo is supposed to be a tragic character who is ultimately the victim of manipulation. I feel like if you read this comic then watch the sequels you will get this sense that Ben is a tragic character. This is what I love about the new canon, all these little tie-in stories go a long way to making the films that much more enjoyable, especially if you read them in chronological order.
Exactly with Alex here. I'm trying not to think too hard about Snoke and Palpatine and all that stupid shit that TROS brought up. BUT knowing Ben dies at the end of all this is down right cruel. He deserved to live with Rey, the Last Jedi, atone for his sins(which were also due to strong manipulation from a young age), and live out his life helping new force users. His death stings so much and reading this doesn't help.
This comic is great. It further shows how much Ben has suffered and been manipulated growing up. In my opinion, Ben deserved a happier ending in TROS. After all these films, the death of the last Skywalker feels like a win for Palpatine in the end.
Why does the original leader of The Knights of Ren in this look like an older version of Ben Solo, when he’s not Ben Solo? He was the leader before Ben became Kylo Ren.
I LOVE Snoke dress.
Given what we learned about Palpatine in Rise of Skywalker, do you think that Palpatine only viewed the Empire as means to an end to eventually achieve a form of total galactic dominance like Joruus C'baoth was seeking? Was the Empire only a stepping stone to the Final Order and then the greater Imperial military and bureaucracy would have been eliminated once it served it purpose?
Here is a good question. Do you belive that there are similar groups like the jedi order in other galaxies?
If Ben would have have lived in the ROS, and turned out to be the true hero after coming back into the light and defeating Palpatine, instead of Rey, I think it would have made a world a of difference in the end, especially considering he is actually apart of the Skywalker bloodline. The title of the movie would have made more sense and it would have made for a good twist in the end.
Ren looks like cobra commander
It’s not supposed to be easy to watch Ben fall! That was one of the problems with Aniken to me was there was too much foreshadowing. By the first five minutes of attack of the clones you could tell he was kind of a screwball already. People like that are easy to sway and manipulate.
The Petra Treasury from Indiana Jones? That's a real place lol
He knows. Remember, that temple is actually in Jordan, yet in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, it is supposedly in Egypt. Alex says that the Temple is in Jordan, from Indiana Jones, meaning that most people will recognize it from Last Crusade.
@@thejediofchicago6580 ah ok, been ages since I saw that movie. Never cared much for them, but I knew of that place before I saw the movie.
What is the star fighter at the start of the comic
Hoping Disney turns some of these comics into animated movies the D.C. comics have.
Where’s issue 1 breakdown? Send a link please.
Yeah, I was interested in all this until Rise of Skywalker. Now I don't really care about any other stories from Sequal Trilogy characters. Time for a new era.
I know it's kinda my fault but I wasn't expecting TROS spoilers in this :/ I was gonna see the film this weekend.
Don't bother save your money. Not really worth it to me
Two videos today? Is it Christmas already?
Nice Video :)
This is where episode VII should have started
Yay
This trilogy should of been around this era. I would of loved to see Luke in his prime, and how the jedi fell a second time. I still think it's B.S. that they think that Kylo is more stronger then Luke in the force
These 2 issues are the best SW comics since Soule's vader lololol
Do you think ren is the first apprentice of snoke as it was confirmed a few years ago kylo wasn’t his first
Welcome to the High Republic, after Exar Kun, before Darth Revan...
@@Stringer13ell according to the Tales of the Jedi, the Republic highly expanded after the Sith Wars with Exar Kun. That was just an idea, but they may tell the story of the fall of the Sith Empire(the SWTOR faction) and the rise of Darth Ruin, a Jedi who created a New Sith Brotherhood.
Isn’t snoke just a clone tho, so shouldn’t it be palpatine that is controlling the strings.
TROS kinda ruined the whole sequel era for me. Anything before Force Awakens feels watered down cause it’s just all ol Palpy’s doing again.
Why was the republic so high back then? No deathstick regulation laws?
palpatine cackle
"Snokes Manipulation" You mean Plapatines Manipulations, right? Cause snoke did nothing as far as TROS is concerned.
Snoke was bad copy paste Emperor anyway
Its far better now
Wow...that fight was pretty lame. I mean it makes sense for luke to properly kick all the knights of rens behind but its still a very underwhelming first encounter. I also imagined all the knights besides ren were around the same age as him, seems really weird he’s the youngest one and also the leader. Still interested to see where it goes but I hardly get why ben wanted to join a group of losers.
Would be cool if the Valley of the Jedi got recanonized
Title might come off as a spoiler (haven't watched the video or read the conic yet)
Imagine they did the sequel trilogy on the turn of ben solo instead of this current bullshit we got... 🤦♂️
hello there
Ren is Obi Wan's son
Dude it was Palpatine who destroyed the temple. So obvious.
Aren’t they the same guys that got ass whooped by Kylo Ren? Lol
Should we even say it’s Snoke at this point?
Snoke in these comics is so trustworthy that anyone can be tricked by him
Once again, Disney puts the most interesting and most important parts of a storyline into the comics rather than in the films. Obviously, you can put more into the outside material (comics, books, etc) than you can in the films. But a flashback or two of Luke training Ben like this in TLJ, instead of Canto Bight, would have solved several issues I had with the film, and it would have whetted our appetites for these comics and books. Instead, it seems that Disney is almost 'forcing' people to purchase the comics and books in order to understand the story they were trying to tell in the sequel trilogy.
Snoke's... hair? makes me extremely uncomfortable lmao
It's a part of his hat, I believe.