The Ariya Is The Cushy, Quiet EV Shoppers Have Been Asking For | 2023 Ariya First Drive
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- Nissan's new EV maybe late, but if you're looking for a roomy EV with a strong value proposition and a comfortable suspension tune, the Ariya is the EV for you.
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I appreciate Nissan's approach with the Ariya. Definitely more so than the Toyota bZ4x.
Agreed. This absolutely beats the laughing stock bz4x
Agreed, although the BusyForest isn't very difficult to be better than.
@@MDKN22 everything is better than BZ4X, bz4x is not even reliable with wheels falling off.
Other than for the feature set you’re going to pay $10k+ more than the bZ4X
Well… I mean… the wheels stayed on, so 🤷🏾♂️
Alex, Your noble defense of comfortable cars has been duly noted 😁
Agreed, I test drove an EV6 a couple of days ago, nice car, shame the seats (while supportive) are as hard as a rock, i'm an old fart, give me comfort every time in my daily driver.
This Ariya looks pretty good so far! The styling is really breath-taking and I love it.
The interior of the Ariya is really nice too. Reminds me of the bmw iX in some ways
I pretty much like everything about it except for those double shark fins. What in the world is the purpose for that? That looks strange!
To me it looks like chocolate cake but it's a great car. 👍
@@eleanormassaro5195 radio and internet probably
@@eleanormassaro5195 The extra shark fin is for special satellite signals needed for ProPilot 2.0 to work, if you spec the car with the lower ProPilot 1.5 it wouldn't have the extra shark fin.
Still prefer a PHEV RAV4 Prime (or upcoming Rogue PHEV)
- 15,000 miles all-electric annually of cheap, clean home charging.
- Never hostage to public charging that's often occupied, ICED, broken, vandalized or in an unsafe area (personal experience)
- Never any range / charge anxiety
- Never need another vehicle dedicated for road trips.
Exactly why I got a used Honda Clarity instead of a Model 3/Bolt/Kona. It’s basically a sedan version of the Rav4 Prime but unfortunately without the 5sec 0-60 and the AWD.
Had a RAV4 Prime. Meh. Engineering marvel and insanely efficient but low NVH scores in my book. Wind noise, road noise, buzzy engine. If you are paying $50K for a SUV I'd rather spend it on something vastly more pleasant to drive with better features. i.e Telluride.
The Telluride made my old Prime feel like a cheap budgety $30K SUV... which the R4P is but with a fancy EV drivetrain slapped on.
I love one pedal. Its the only way I've been driving my Bolt, and that car also has blended braking. Would be nice if Nissan offered a software update to add true one pedal in the Ariya
"Everyone knows that the answer is more shark fins." Genius. Love the Ariya. Great review!
Looks much better interior and exterior wise compared to other EV’s on the market.
This is my dream Nissan All-electric vehicle.
Terrific job with your content as always Alex.
Bravo for Nissan for having a panoramic roof that OPENS!
👏🏾 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Interesting pricing: range vs feature. Actually makes sense to me. Old people need more features, and young people are going places.
Overall, not a bad package. However, I think the ID4 will outsell it by a wide margin once production starts in TN and it gets the US tax credit. On the performance side, the Mach-E/Y will be chosen. The Hyundai/Kia EVs also aren't getting the tax credit, but they are cheaper. The Ariya is stuck in a non-enviable position: fairly high cost and not having the tax credit does not bode well for sales volume. I'm saying this as a Model 3 and Murano owner.
I think Nissan made a good decision regarding the high creature content vs. range in the base package, and here is why. I think this’d car is well suited to a typical commuter, whose daily average range requirements are a little lower, but whom values creature comforts for that daily drive highly.
:14 Alex finally gets his hands on an Ariya EV and a 15mpg Armada drives by, leaving both with a taste of its dust. LOL That had to have been planned.
I appreciate the info on the moonroof! Thanks Alex!
Nissan certainly appears to have gotten its mojo back the last year or two.
After riding in the Ariya, it reminded me a lot of the ID.4 in terms of ride and comfort, I’m surprised you didn’t compare it more to the ID.4, it feels like the most direct competitor.
dont you know ID.4 is complete failure? sale is so little and no fix to some useable bugs. I will be surprise if this nissan sell a half of Mache or ioniq 5
Yeah they seem really similar. The price is a bit different as the ID.4 starts about 10k lower but still gets up there when you start adding stuff.
Sorry thought it started higher hah, about 5k difference.
I am surprised as well that he did not mention the ID. 4. Maybe Alex is boycotting VW over some contract issue? The entry level ID. 4 is about $5k less expensive than this entry level and save for the power front seats and heated rear seats, appears to have all the bells and whistles this one has.
As to the comment that the ID. 4 is a complete failure and thet sales are negligible, VW just posted record sales for the ID. 4 for the last quarter. People have complained about software issues about VE and I know Alex Guberman just blasted them on his TH-cam channel. I hope that they have fixed the issues in release 3.0
Hope the Nissan has better software that the ID 4 😂
@Alex on Autos Can you discuss whether the vehicle has charging percentage limit that owner can set? This is an important feature for potential EV buyers. I enjoy my 2021 Prius Prime and wish it has this feature.
Great review and nice EV Nissan came up with this time. Small niggle: Those heptic "button" for the HVAC are a terrible idea. In 2 years the touch points will be unevenly shiny from fingers
Well done Nissan. Really well done. Making good cars again. Props to them. This seems like a good car.
The jury is still out. Reliability remains to be seen. Good news is that Carlos Ghosn is GONE. But Renault influence still remains. That’s not a good sign.
@@Mabeylater293 Where is the Ariya made? in Japan?
@@hedgehogthesonic3181 not sure. But it doesn’t matter where it is made if it has horrible reliability BY DESIGN which has been the case with Renault for years
@@Mabeylater293 Well, that is sad
@@hedgehogthesonic3181 It's made in Japan for now, which is why it won't qualify for the $7500 federal tax credit.
I really wish the Ariya was built in the US to qualify for the federal EV tax credit, & I really wish it offered ventilated front seats, bc I'd be considering this & comparing to an EV6 (which currently also doesn't qualify for the federal tax credit)
Vented seats are a platinum feature.
Yes. I'm going to replace my two Murano with this model. It is very similar by everything. By features, by size, by exterior. Thanks for detailed review.
Alex, some questions if you can:
1) Is standard cruise control available? I value adaptive at the right time and place, but other times standard cruise is preferable.
2) What EVSE ships with the unit? Is it 120v and 240V capable as shipped? is it amp configurable (hey, I can dream)?
3) You speak to quite a few more options and configurations than Nissan has committed to for the US market. Care to comment?
Thanks?
I really like this, but... the lack of cargo space make it a no-go for me. My wife wants to be able to fit a bicycle in the back of whatever CUV we buy, and I'm not sure that's practical (without removing the front wheel of the bike.)
Watching out for the Hyundai Ionic 6 next year...
Looks great, have to go AWD as the FWD is a cop out. Should be good getting the milk carton under the brake pedal, open centre console makes no sense. Might as well have a huge bin there to put stuff in. Why no frunk? There just is no way of making a 2 spoke steering wheel look good.
Hi Alex. I have been watching you for years. You haven't aged a bit. I enjoy the way you organized your reviews and often refer to your decibel scores. One question, assuming whether you have the time: Which is quieter: the Cadillac Lyric, which you allude to in this video or this Nissan Ariya?
I think the lyriq, hopefully we will have it in for testing soon
Alex would you rather go with Ariya (87kWh) or with Volvo C40 (Twin Engine)?- so range vs speed/awd
Hi Alex. I have test driven the Ariya.. a comment about the touch buttons.. they look nice but are in a terrible lication, if you want to rest your wrist on the console when operating the screen or adjusting the volume you will invariably wind up messing up the airco settings. And I have to wonder how that "touch" strip will look after a year of use.... ?
Not necessarily, those buttons have to be hard pressed for them to actuate, they're not touch sensitive in the common sense, also the amount of force needed to press for them to active is configurable and can be set very hard. I see no problem.
how long does the battery last, and how much is it to replace the battery pack on the standard package.
Great test. Looks to be a great EV.
The great thing with awd Ariya, is that in normal mode the front wheels do most of the work. But in sport mode, the back wheels does most of work.
Would like to see the charging door on the left side of the car or the front. Very hard to access the door in a garage if it is on the right side.
I really am curious if bench seats come back thanks to EVs and they way you can shape the interior. Nobody would use it but it would be interesting.
Nice review Alex! Looking at the available range on the odometer, it makes me think you were driving the 63KW rather than the 87KW battery vehicle?
It was the weather and lead foot…
AoA is my goto review place for cars…
I've got the Venture+ on order and expecting delivery by the end of the year (I hope!).
Was there any mention of the range? I may have missed that…..
We definitely need more softly-tuned EVs. I like the Model Y very much, but I would absolutely give up most of its handling ability for some relief from road imperfections.
Completely agree, everything feels too harsh
I have heard that the newest Model Y is a bit softer, especially with the base wheels.
Ryan Shaw has a great TH-cam channel about EV news. He owned a 2020 or 21 Model Y and now has a 22 and he says the ride is MUCH better now.
I agree though I would take comfort over handling.
@@kens97sto171 I believe that is the case. My neighbor has a 2021 Model Y with the base wheels. The ride was firm but not harsh at all. And the seats were some of the most comfortable I've ever sat in. Perhaps the bigger performance wheels bring that harsh ride.
@@joemcdonough7509
I would think so.. I really don't understand why they put giant 22's on there.. they are heavy and ride like crap and it's easy to damage the wheels.
Ive driven performance cars that had 14's on them.. you don't need 1 inch sidewall to have good performance.
@@kens97sto171 Yep, I agree. I used to hate Toyota Prius because they are hideous looking. However, I rented one for a month and now I understand why people love them. I believe it had 16 inch wheels with thick sidewalls. Wow did it have such a soft floating ride around town. Felt literally like an old Cadillac. Now many people would be turned off by that kind of ride, but I absolutely love it.
15:02 that’s an interesting point about FWD vs RWD EVs. I thought the winter benefits that FWD offers would disappear in EVs, but I guess that’s not the case then.
Modern stability control systems have substantially reduced the difference. Historically, RWD cars behaved worse if they lost traction on snow or ice. FWD cars, with a lot of weight in front, didn't lose traction as easily, and behaved more benignly if they did.
I feel like we've heard about this vehicle coming for so many years now. Delays after delays, it's finally releasing but now has significant competition in this space.
doesn't matter. The demand is high enough that they had to shut down reservations.
It is still getting delays after delays, people get their year old pre-orders pushed to the end of the year already
@@PastelitoBombon I'd rather have a product designed right than have something that will have issues even if I have to wait. As far as I can see it one of the better looking ev out there so hopefully it does arrive sometimes next year for me.
Leather seats without ventilation. Bold move.
@@mattspeer01 Ventilated seats are not standard in the base model but are available on mid and higher trim levels
They're ventilated if you want depending on trim.
Thank you for these first impressions. Nissan has a great product indeed with the Ariya. Too bad it's an SUV...sorry, crossover (tomato, tomato). But even for a person who can't stand SUVs, the Ariya has a lot of appeal seen in person. But I mostly liked your line : "This reminds me of the EVs we're gonna see from Lexus". We can now safely say that this line should realistically be : "This reminds me of the EVs we were gonna see from Lexus". #RIPLexusBEV
51k minimum for awd is bit rough given the size. But for those who are good with fwd and less range I think it’s a good value.
I like my Model Y, except for the stiff ride. looking for a more comfortable ride compact EV, I hope Ariya comes with a good remote APP like Tesla (one of my favorite)
Looks good
Finally in America it is here❤
Another excellent review , per usual! To me, the Ariya's exterior looks like an ID4!! (that's a compliment). This appears to be another nice, but pricey EV. (Need cheaper batteries!!)
Regarding the EV tax credit in the US, remember that to qualify, an EV must 1) be assembled in North America and 2) have battery chemicals sourced there (or something like that). This battery requirement is a big issue, I hear. For example, though the Chevrolet Bolt and Equinox will satisfy the assembling requirement, they may not qualify on the battery chemicals requirement.
GM expects them to qualify
Beautiful EV. I saw it the other day at the dealership when buying my Rogue. Only complaint about this EV is the new car smell that makes you think of dead rotting fish. It could be the leather and plastics with new carpet and glue resins. If you have even a mild dislike of VOCs then steer clear. Wait to buy a used one when the off gassing has passed. It was the worst I've come across in any vehicle that I saw or test drove.
Great Alex, how is the tech, trip route and charger planning and battery precondioning?
I’m sure he’ll have to get one for a week or so to really test those things out.
No battery preconditioning just for charging, it’s not needed supposedly at these charge rates but the battery will start heating when the car is started or pre-heated if plugged in
Love this and your review. But I'm waiting for Chevy to see what they do. Thanks
Was really interested but given tech, I’m not enthused beyond a test drive given what I saw on the VW electric bus but if this was a gas hybrid like a hair slower RAV4 prime then I could see it over another rogue then it could work given I have no way to charge at home. At least I can find a nearby charger for things like this. Found them by accident. No spare? Yeah that’s a problem for me considering all my tire problems happened late at night. I have learned to change a tire in less time than a tow service like AAA finding me.
As a contracted reservation holder I can answer some of Alex and posters comments.
1) It's sold out for the year, and most of us have binding contracts in place. This delivers the $7,500 tax credit. As for the next model year, one assume Nissan will, as soon as possible, migrate production of US destined product to NA plants.
2) Value: Have you looked into Mach E pricing recently? Now THAT's expensive.
3) Content decisions/dollar. Pretty well done. I only disagree with the absence of ventilated seats and the limitation of the BOSE to the high-end only unit.
4) Range Choices: Folks get this wrong often. Total advertised range isn't used regularly, but the capacity is. Now will this trend chance in fact, in the coming years V2H power will become the norm (think duck curve). Meanwhile those in cold areas realize we're taking a pretty big hit. If, in the dead of winter, I see 60% of available range I'll be floored. Tack on a 40 mile daily commute, plus whatever else I need to do @ EOBD and yea, available range matters. I'd rather not be re-charging every night (more on that) as well.
5) Would I buy this? Obviously I believe this fits us best. Why?
A. My greedy area H/L dealer was adding $5k in ADM. Nope.
B. I wanted a larger compact that rode well and was quiet, and with 2nd row legroom (child seats) than the ID4.
C. I expect Nissan's experience in EV's to help in quality and residual value.
D. This thing looks darn good.
E. The Mach-E is now stupid expensive, as is the EV Blazer.
F. FWD as the base configuration is THE smart move. Alex explains it well. Nicely done Nissan.
6) Yes, there is a faster level 2 OBC option. Tempting, but usually not worth the extra cost. 7.2KWH is going to be in the 22+ miles per hour of charge range. Most of us are going to recharge at 40-60 miles of range to perhaps 240 miles of range (in the 80-ish % range), so perhaps 200 miles useable in d2d use. For many that's a once a week overnight charge, for others, and or winter use, twice a week. (We'll get better battery longevity this way)
7) What choice is there at a better price/feature price point? A marked up Ioniq 5 I'd have to buy in AWD (winter use for wife)? I expect the Nissan to hold resale value much better, and again, I get the tax credit. The tight 2nd row ID4?
Flaws:
1) Charging port side should follow the driver side
2) Again, no ventilated seats.
3) I, like 80% of us, don't use the moon-roof after the first week. I don't want the cost, headroom loss, or leakage issues. It should be an option ONLY.
4) I don't like subscription services and Nissan (Ach, my goodness.. dat soon?) is heading that way.
5) No spare? At least make it an option.
6) It looks like the OBC configuration jumps from 1.4 to 7.2 KWA. That's a poor decision. A 5.7KWH sub-rate would be used by a lot of folks. Pretty common (30 amp) circuit size. Gonna make a lot of folks either re-wire or buy another EVSE.
7) Center console is cute but not too functional. That needs a redo.
I saw one camouflaged 6 months ago.
So, this looks like this is the only non-pickup truck EV you will be able to buy that has space to store a spare tire.
I like it better than the ID.4. Regarding tax credits, I thought there's no guarantee yet that tax credits will be available for North American EVs in 2023. At least until manufacturers prove they can meet the battery requirements.
Sold, I want the heated seats and steering wheel and comfy like my leaf but more range.
slow charging rate is a deal breaker for me. Korean cars are ahead of the game when it comes to nicer full featured EVs that is in mid affordability.
The korean EVs except for the GV60 have fewer features than the Ariya. Let's not talk about the base Ioniq 5 SE RWD that has cloth seats, no front sensor, ear-bleeding audio, and acceleration that would lose to an ICE SUV. We are trying to compare apples to apples.
Top trim Ariya Platinum+ has HUD, digital rear view mirror, hands free adaptive cruise, premium audio (not the mediocre audio in the EV6 and Ioniq 5 - so closer to GV60), nicer interior, 87 kWh battery which should have up to 30 miles more of real world range compared to the 77 kWh sized E-GMP cars.
Poor interior, poor audio, and no hands-free adaptive cruise are the dealbreakers for me for the EV6 and Ioniq 5. GV60 is my backup choice if I can't get an Ariya or Lyriq.
At least for now, it doesn't matter the DC fast charge time because they will all charge at the same rate because of the capacity of the commercial fast charger. Most EV buyers have houses so they don't really care about charge times since they'll have a full charge overnight every night. 10%-80% is 40 mins is not bad either. That's less than a single episode of your favorite Netflix series
Do you when Vinfast will be sending test vehicles out for you to review?
would love to see more reviewers going over whether the adaptive cruise control systems is able to handle stop and go traffic and a review of it.
this is audi q4 etron price range.. lol
Adaptive cruise control in my 2022 LEAF will bring the car to a complete stop, if necessary, and automatically resume at whatever speed it can, up to the set speed. I'd guess the Ariya would have no problem doing so.
I like the color matches aero covers
At this point, I am looking forward to eventually buying at aria. Some prices are down at this point in play 2023. My priorities are comfortable and quiet and all-wheel drive and ground clearance. I live in a state that gets a fair amount of snow. When I am ready to buy, I will be looking for a low mileage used model most likely. I bought my 2019 leaf with 4000 Mi on it , and got a good deal.
It's a really nice color in person. Very pleasant. -Travis
But we all want to be able to use these for all driving needs weekend get aways and vacation road trips
That Armada keeps coming by lol
Interesting, looking forward to the market maturing for electric vehicles.
When will be arrive in the usa
That is the widest angle front facing camera behind the windshield I've ever seen in a car.
Waiting for the Blazer or equinox RS.
Range over options 😊
The front-end looks really good: modern, smart, sleek, space-age-y, without looking overdone or that it's trying too hard to stand out. The vast, featureless expanse at the rear doesn't look too good. Not a fan of severely sloping hatches in CUVs, but this one doesn't look too bad. The interior is good-looking and interesting, though I noticed that the panel gaps were bad. Both the glove box lid & the trick centre drawer's (?) lid showed a noticeable gap of 3-4 mm. I hope this model succeeds so that 1) we can get to see some good-looking EVs and 2) Nissan survives.
Can you do the canoo?
I like it but the price is just too steep if you want AWD. I was unaware of a small battery AWD option but the range will be crappy. It's best to wait as Nissan will have solid-state battery in a few years.
I am getting an Ariya
what is the range of the base model? and what is the battery warranty?
Base is $44k with 216 miles range. What a joke of a EV. 😂
Can it take a class 3 hitch?
Ordered an Ariya, fully loaded AWD Platinum before the tax change and have been told it WILL be eligible as we committed to ordering and putting down a $500 deposit before the tax change. Plus there was a price increase that will NOT affect early orders. Now my dilemma is should I get it and flip it for a profit?
Same situation here, being able to buy at a reduced competitive price will help for resale down the road. Just wish I knew it would come in before tax season was over so I could claim on 2022 taxes. I will keep as long as it makes sense. If it only had faster charging both level 2(I have 19.2kwh) and level 3 (250kwh) it would be perfect. Once were under 20 minutes for a 10%-80% charge the ICE owners will convert even if the EV's are priced 15k-20k higher. Wake up MFG's
I'm sure some people will like the Ariya, but I feel like the Ioniq 5 should outsell it at least 4 to 1.
But not if the Ioniq 5 has a dealer mark up of over $5,000! If Nissan can sell the Ariya at MSRP people will dump the Korean's.
Test drove one, lovely drive,super comfortable, every gadget under the sun, £67k. I’ll stick to my Leaf.
Is it more quiet than the Lyriq?
I love that Copper color.
Alex calls it an electric Murano, but the Murano is about 10" longer with much better cargo capacity.
I'd buy it for that copper color! Nissan knows how to build EV's
Well Nissan’s first EV bombed with the air cooled battery. They had to learn the hard way by putting out a crappy product for too many of their customers in hot climates.
Will be curious about Nissan's battery degradation. Have owned both a 2015 Leaf and a 2015 Model S and there is barely any degradation in the Tesla battery after 7-8 years.
Leaf has no battery cooling. Ariya does.
I think the average person is looking for an e.v. that drives and looks like a typical ice car. Not everyone wants 500 hp in a car.
*What is an ice car?*
@@joeskeptical4762 Internal combustion engine
@@eleanormassaro5195 *Thanks.*
I can’t UNsee those trim panel gaps on the dash above the glove box and center console drawer. Tell me this is just a pre-production issue.
Mehhh its ok i guess .... Great review tho... Alex has the most detailed vids ... 💯
The price is right for it's segment
No sh!t Shirlock! .... Couldn't resist
Wait. What's a liquid cold battery? How does it differ for whatever other battery manufacturer use?
The battery gets warm when the car is driving, so this one uses a liquid cooler to dissipate heat from the battery. He mentions the Leaf (which does not have this system) because it has been known to overheat and really slow the car down
@@Hana2736_ Wow thx dude.
Still a good EV SUV I can afford one today.
We'll see if the wheels stay on.
This has to be the best Japanese ev full stop
The absolute laughing stocks bz4x and rz450e can’t even hold a candle to this in any way.
Well done nissan. You unlike Toyota actually have a chance to climb up
Haha don’t forget that Mazda
@@shappi99 oh right that’s even worse. Although that Mazda interior is quite attractive
FUNNY
Here you are everyone look it’s the troll machine does he have a real job nobody knows
It takes a long time for a brand to change their reputation. In the car enthusiast community, Nissan has the reputation of Daewoo. Other people see them as what they were in the 90s. I don’t think the reputation of Toyota is going to change much in the next 20 years. Even if they make lackluster cars, people will still buy them.
Capacitive touch "buttons" everywhere. Oh, the horror.
Please state how tall you are so we know how we might fit in the car
I think the compromises they’ve made were well chosen. I don’t think the tax credit makes or breaks this deal. I think the charge rate (L2 and DC) is completely reasonable. The range is honestly as high as it needs to be- range anxiety isn’t a problem with the car, but the driver. I drive 50 miles a day, with the occasional 200 mile day - this will be no problem at all - and even the super-rare 500 mile day just means finding a DC charger once during a 7 hour drive, or having a couple hours at somewhere with L2 available - should be easy enough.
Does it have a heat pump???
Yes
The Leaf was released in 2011 and it took 11 years to release another model.
The Ariya was supposed to launch in 2020, but pandemic trashed Nissan's roadmap.
Car makers have to think through the federal tax credits when they have introduce a car - the fact this car does not qualify is a deal killer.
Congress changed the rules after this car was ready for production. Car makers will adapt but it takes time to shift assembly and battery supply chains.
you didn't jave the ending titles with the prices listed.
Looks old…
So why isn’t this on Ev Buyers Guide?
There’s a different video planned for there
The car looks great. Very nice, clean interior. Hopefully this is a pre production model because that electric cubby and glove box, the fit and finish don't look all that great.
Yes, these press cars are actually pre production. Tolerances on production cars are much better.
This feels like a great first EV attempt in 2017
Is it 2017 where you're at?