Nissan Ariya range revealed by EPA: Is this why they aren't selling?
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- Nissan Ariya range revealed by EPA: Is this why they aren't selling?
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Way better car to drive, seating comfort and well equipped compare to Tesla Y & Id4, ionic5 , ev6. I have tested all of them and defiantly going for Ariya (I am sure will find a good deal in price).
Ive had my Ariya since beginning of March 2923. IN the UK the EPA range is quoted as 329 miles - 87KWH usable battery, 2 wheel drive, 19 inch wheels. for the past 4 months the actual range has always exceeded this figure. This has also been found with many others the UK Ariya page. I drive in Standard mode with e-step turned on. Now done over 4000 miles and very happy with my purchase.
SO happy for you. Obviously the US tax incentive don't apply to you and it must have more cost parity with a Y?
So you seriously paid for this piece of junk more than a Tesla Y LR ? Mercedes category?
@@panathaninfgiven you cant actually get a left hand drive Y... It's not selling a lot in the UK.
@benholden5998 stop driving on the wrong side of the road then I suppose :P
It’s a great looking car. I’m glad to hear that the range is as advertised.
I’m driving one now as a loaner. I Love it. If you drive in eco mode, it goes 340 miles. 2 wheel dive bigger battery version. If you drive it hard, it’s still not bad for range. 310.
No it does not at highway speeds. Reputable reviewers have range tested the Ariya, and its range at 70 mph is just ~240 miles vs the 290 miles of the less expensive Model Y LR under almost identical conditions.
Yes it's a nice car, but be honest. It's expensive, kind of small, and has below average efficiency and range.
Yea but you shouldn't have to drive in eco to save on the miles. Its all about the driving experience.
I’ve had the Ariya advance uk base model for a month, commute 120 mile round trip and average between 220-240 miles
The price is this car’s biggest issue. If it was $10k-$15k cheaper people would buy it. It is as simple as that.
I wouldn't but yeah some suckers would. 😄
That's the issue with ALL ev's. The difference in price over their ICE versions would buy 10 years of gasoline and get twice the range per fill up.
This was exactly my recent decision. I opted out of my current qashqai into an Atto3 because of the unrealistic price
@@papasquat355EVs aren’t expensive compared to new ICE cars, a Volvo xc60 is $100,00 + its the same class as a model Y for 70k . A Volkswagen Tiguan R line ICE car is 68k . 2k difference in price . Maybe do some research .
@@papasquat355 price diff in Australia between atto3 and qashqai is $1k or $20 fuel for a year at au$2 per litre. Good luck with your ICE sales suckers
it’s ludicrously expensive, I live in Iceland and the Ariya is around $15000 more than a Tesla Model Y LR
I agree. It's too expensive.
Recently someone told me: listen to people with experience rather then to people with an opinion.
We have our Nissan Ariay Evolve (87kwh) - frontwheel drive - since beginning of April 2023, and our consumption is to date 15,7kwh/100km which gives us a range of +- 554km, which is even more then announced in the ad's: 530km wltp.
This is our first EV and we're very happy with it. We drove Volkwagens and Audi before, and they were the first brands we considered when going electric.
At that time I rarely saw positive comments from VW ID4 or ID3 drivers, also VW did not offer the same standard options as Nissan (for instance, heat pump was - is it still? - a 1500€ option in ID3 and ID4). With all the options to match an Ariya Evolve, the ID4 was much more expensive.
As for the Τesla Model Y, also much more expensive at the time, and btw I don't need a car to drag race with a Porsche at the traffic lights, I can perfectly live with a "from 0 to 100km in 7sec".
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Model Y is the largest selling car in the world. Nissan can't sell any of these. Sales have been a catastrophe that threatens the very existence of the company, going forward. Nissan is guilty, along with the other Japanese companies, of ignoring the development of EVs, and in particular, batteries.
If your consumption is below wltp you are clearly travelling pretty slow with a Lot of country Road. Thats Not the typical Environment for a car with a large battery Like this.
It is even much more expensive in comparision to model y. Ariya Starts as 87 kWh in Germany at 60k and an model y lr 55k.
Liar Nissan wrote this or what I’m not settling for less mileage with a bigger battery smfh
@bigdaddy1279 funny enough it's selling well in Norway, lime top 5 sales. Maybe they do have a decent price tag there.
Arya circa 20% more than Model Y Standard Range in this market. Right!
In US it does not sell because of a price tag, spot on! Driving it for last 3 months, average consumption in D mode is 4 miles per kWh and in B mode 4.5, so for 63 kWh battery I have 252 or 283 miles range. Mix of motorway (65-75 mph) and city drive. As it is company car I charge it to 100% and discharge to 0 or even below. Good car overall but bumpy ride on rough roads. You have to adapt for EV driving to get a good range. If you floor it all the time you will get 200 miles range.
Yes that’s the thing. I don’t understand why people don’t get it. If you floor ICE car you would not be near the consumption figures or range. Have people become so stupid?
The reason it's not selling in US, as mentioned, is that it does not qualify for $7,500 tax rebate. And Nissan is not giving a $7,500 reduction to capitalized cost if you lease, as Hyundai and others are. Sam, in another video, you compared advertised range to actual range of a number of EV's you said the Ariya beat most other cars even the Tesla model Y. So it's not the range. The model with the 304 miles of range is good for $47k but why buy that when you can get a Tesla model y for $40k after rebate. I own a 2019 Leaf SV and Tesla M3 RWD. The Leaf is a very reliable car. I have 63k miles and with its air cooled battery I still get 130-140 miles of range. Two tires is the only expense so far. EPA range when new was 149 miles. I use it for local trips and trips into the city. For someone wanting to enter the EV world without having to spend $30 to $50k, a used Leaf 40kwh battery SV model with low miles and with the $4000 used federal tax credit can be got for $12k to $16k. Great car for 99% of driving or as a second car. Of course you are not going to take it on a 2000 mile road trip.
If this is true is it selling well in Canada? It would qualify for up to 10K off, depending on province, there.
Yea, it comes down to not qualifying for the tax rebate. One problem with leases is that buyers of Japanese cars aren't accustomed to leasing. Leasing is very common with German cars but those sell to people who are in upper income brackets and they also like to trade in every few years.
Even with rebate money, the price is in parity with a Model Y base model and why would you buy an Ariya over a model Y with the advantage of the supercharger network. So it probably it is not selling well in Canada.@@Snerdles
Nah. It has nothing to do with the tax credit. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 is selling quite well in the US and it also doesn't get the credit. It's just an old technology car. Charging speed is SO slow. It's too expensive and heavy for what it is.
As you said, the Ariya has a weight problem. The lowest trim level weighs in at 4300+, the highest trim level is 5,000+ This = lower mpge (20% less efficient than a Model Y).
I had a reservation in early 2020 already but Nissan instead of keeping potential company customers informed they only sent once a more esoteric video. Than the Kia EV6 and the Ioniq 5 came in sight. Since May 2022 I am a very happy owner. The complete mix of technology, drivetrain, battery, design, usability and outstanding performance tops all in the same price class. By the way with the also perfect recuperation I lately made a trip over the Swiss alps to Italy and without charging back home and a total range of 585 km on normal Swiss highway and alpine roads up to nearly 2‘000 meters altitude. With the Ariya and even the biggest battery, AWD and similar performance I never could do this. For 238 km I had 2 h 25 min with just normal heavy traffic and I don’t drive behind trucks to save energy. The cabin is always at 21°C and it was between 23 to 32°C outside. With 240 kWh also HPC charging for the 800 Volts System would be no problem. Fact is that even Mercedes is now copying certain elements used by Hyundai-Kia-Genesis group to stay competitive and get back credibility for asking double to three times as much for a less performant car in any aspect that is essential. So poor Nissan and Renault just are too late and too expensive. Same for VAG group with Volkswagen ID, Seat and Audi and were funny enough only Skoda offers a good pack but still far from Tesla, Koreans or BYD.
@Lifecoach7Ra My son had the same experience with Ford (Lightning). They took the $100 deposit and they do not keep people informed. I had the same experience with Audi.
@@ronin4580 have you read anywhere where anyone waiting on a Cybertruck knows more than what gets leaked online? I sweat the CT is a myth and only exists as a meme to prop up Tesla interest.
And BMW
Well, i’d be hella happy to pay more for the Ariya than the ID4 lol. Not that I’d choose either.. but the Ariya is way nicer than an ID
Agreed. I test drove the ID4 and couldn't wait to get out of the car!!!
I love my ID4. Very comfortable, and a great value.
@@dansanger5340 My son likes his ID4 and I like my Tesla YLR, the Tesla is slightly better.
Bought a 2023 id4. Love it. Have you driven it?
@@tedmoss You can't go wrong with a Model Y. But, it was outside my price range, and I gotta have my Android Auto.
As long as prices and vehicle size are similar, I think Tesla will continue to have an advantage because of their superior FSD software and charging network.
FSD doesn't count for anything. That is just garbage. If you want fsd go take a train or a bus.
Tesla has the superior EV tech. More power, more efficient vehicle. Is the leader of EV.
NIssan on the other hand is garbage in the EV tech tree. From the start nissan had problem with EV tech with the leaf I and leaf II, and now this thing.
Anything non tesla should be sold at least 15-20% lower price than tesla for similar size and performance. If they are smaller, even cheaper.
FSD barely sells ~10%. That's not it. The vehicles themselves are really good, and that's the reason they're selling well.
@@TecnamTwin Tesla for some reason are seen as cool. I don't get it, they are really plain and the designs are aged now. Ariya is a much nicer looking SUV than an X or Y in my opinion. But that is subjective. The real reason I believe is that you can be more confident there will be a Tesla supercharger nearby should you find yourself low on battery and far from home. Once those become available to non Tesla EV's you will see more non Tesla EV's on the road.
The Ariya is fantastic
I own the FWD 90Kwh around USD 38,000 (free of tax EV in China) premium equipment and range in standard drive mode 490km (304 miles). If use eco drive probably would be much higher but I prefer more responsive driving. Great car.
Nissan should have continued to upgrade the Leaf giving it a liquid cooled battery with longer range to compete in the European market where small cars are preferred. In the US unless you can build a car to compete with Tesla's model 3 you are never going to succeed unless it is considerably cheaper. or has some other advantages.
Nissan' big mistake was getting rid of Carlos Ghosn -the company just continued to go down hill after his departure
Tbh, without Ghosn, Nissan wouldn't have had any history with BEVs. To be clear, they probably wouldn't have existed after about 2001. He saved them and now they're dying.
Nissan didn't get rid of Ghosn, he stepped down from his position as CEO, was later arrested for misuse of Nissan company funds and then dismissed as Chairman of Nissan. Renault also found questionable use of millions in funds by Ghosn.
While out on bail, he escaped Japan hiding in a musical instrument box loaded onto a private plane to Lebanon.
@@dvader3263and strangely he was good for Nissan
I have leased three Leafs and bought out the lease on the 2019 which I am still driving. People don't realize they came out in 2010-2011while the model 3 came out in 2017. The Leaf evolved into bullitproof cars. Extremely reliable. I could not afford a Tesla in 2012 when I leased the first one. A leaf with a thermally managed battery, a NACS charging port and a charging speed of say 150 kwh would be an awesome EV. But alas, these changes must be so difficult for Nissan to pull off. Therefore we have to wait for the Tesla model 2. The EV the Nissan Leaf should have become.
Agreed. They have massive name recognition in the Leaf, but by not updating it, they made it the EV you don't want.
I drive 87kwh Ariya evolve FWD, on a long run at 21Deg C I get 329 miles, made up of: Outward journey 138.3 miles, Return leg 145.4 miles, with 46 miles 14% charge left at the end. that totals 329.7 miles . Done that run 3 times recently with similar results each time.
At what speed? Trusted reviewers only got 240 miles at 70 mph.
@TecnamTwin and what was the average speed over that distance? 70mph average is not legally achievable here in the uk.
In Europe the situation is different. There’s no tax cut for locally manufactured cars and the Tesla is pretty expensive here, waiting for the Highland upgrade there’s not much to a Tesla concerning luxury. I think the Tesla is a class of its own looking at the minimalistic design, you have to like looming left all the time to get data.
But still the Ariya isn’t all that popular here as well (Netherlands). Ours is a country where cars are pretty expensive because of added tax, but this is not the case on EV’s.
Looking at “comparable” EV’s like the Mercedes EQB 250 AMG line and the BMW iXdrive M20, you could get a loaded edition of those for basically the same price. Now then they still don’t have ventilated seats and the acceleration that Ariya offers, but similar range and it’s still a Mercedes or BMW.
I’m torn between the Ariya, which I really like, and the other two.
Looking at operational lease. Why buy something that’s not known on the long term yet?
Too expensive 😢
I find it to be one of the better looking EVs available but I am not ready to give up my 2018 TM3 yet, I am holding out for NACS on other brands and if lucky a new battery tech to slip in
It’s a shame it’s not selling, I think it offers a lot for the money, looks fab too!
It's $20,000 too expensive
@@TecnamTwin based on what? What are you comparing it to? An ICE Chevy Blazer can cost just as much.
@@joecoolioness6399 *Can and that would also be severely overpriced. It starts at $43,500 but the base version's 200 mile range coupled with the slow charging speed of just 130kW is a no-go for most. My" $20K too much" quip was for the fully loaded version, and I'm of the opinion that cars in general have gotten WAY too expensive and all of these below should be $5-10,000 less to make them actually affordable.
2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 - $42,985, 220 miles, 350 kW
2024 Kia EV6 - $42,600 232 miles, 350 kW
2024 Tesla Model Y - $43,990, 260 miles, 170 kW
2024 Mustang Mach E - $42,990, 250 miles, 110kW
i like the Ariya, those ranges are useful for most people, problem is too expensive plus i already have a EV a 2012 leaf. with a 40 mile range. it be nice to get those 230 mile ranges i would never have to use any public chargers .
I bought my 2023 Ariya, and I had 1 option, sadly. But compared to a Tesla Y, I was looking at the Ariya, which has more options and is 17k less. The new Leaf is impressive! My Ariya range real world says 216 miles, but it can read 220 in the summer, lol! This past winter, my range only went down 12% compared to many others, which dropped from 20% to 35%. least efficiency is 2.9kWh; the most is 5.9kWh. On average, I stay around 3.2 - 4.2kWh. Tesla Y is 187 inches long, and the Ariya is 182, so 5 inches is not much to argue about, but the Ariay is taller, giving more headroom. My top-of-the-line Tesla Y = 75k, The Ariya with everything (10 trim levels, FYI) 61k. With 14k sold, Nissan's loyalty is high, and 61% of Ford Mach --E buyers traded out of Ford within 12 months. The Ariya is a long-wheeled SUV, so you get more in a smaller body and have a nice ride. Many Uber riders I have picked up, including 2 Russin Engineers, were shocked when they discovered it was a Nissan because of the smoothness and quietness. So you need to consider concepts the Tesla Y is about range. Ariya is about the daily commute and offering comfort. So, for 80% of America, the Ariya is perfect. While it is possible to put a 200kWh battery in the Ariya body (with modification), it is just not practical. Nissan is efficient and practical. Keep in mind that as soon as the Ariya came out, there was a Y "refresh." Oh, and while you wait 3 months or 3 weeks for repairs. I can go to Nissan locally and get everything I need. Which was my big selling point as a new EV buyer.
All I can say is I get around 280 in the winter and around 340 in the summer out of my Ariya e-4orce 87kWh with mixed driving.
My Evolve+ FWD gets 310-340 miles of range. I love it so much.
Will consider getting the Ariya Nismo if it comes to the US.
I bought one and I Love it! My friends are stunned by it.
Where I live the car market is small, but the Ariya it outsell outsell all Tesla's 10 to 1. The reason is that range different is no a big issue for people and it looks far better than any Tesla inside and outside. And Cheaper than model Y. Lol
Where do you live? I know that the Ariya is actually selling well, but not outselling the Tesla MY.
@@DanRyzESPUK Tiny Island of Barbados in Caribbean. Top sellers are MG4, MG5, MG ZS, Nissan Leaf and in Premium Nissan Ariya, Jaguar iPace, and a few Tesla MY and M3 . Lots of Hybrid Toyotas, Nissans, Suzukis, Hondas
@@allancorbin5608 Barbados??? On that tiny island you're right that mileage doesn't matter. Even 100 mile or less range would be more than okay there.
@@twostate7822 Most people charge from home as there are very few charging points. Leaf is a very good seller despite lower range because if the same point you made.
@@allancorbin5608Barbados home to legendary late Neville Goddard? 😮😮
High MSRP. No tax rebate. Low range. Poor tech. Company unlikely to survive. Why would I buy one again?
Huh? Poor tech? Compared to what, a non existent autopilot like what has been selling Tesla's for the last 5 years, yet is no closer to being real than when they started? Vaporware.
Cost, range, charging curve.
There are too many misinformation about Ariya as if all the internet reviewers hate Nissan for some reason. I live in New York and on winter months I get around 3.2 miles/kwh and during mild weather days greater than 4miles/kwh is easy. I usually drive @ 65mph. I have a platinum e-force edition. Based on my observations of drive efficiency, Ariya's EESM motor is more suited for highway trips than local stop and go trips while Leaf permanent magnet motor is more suited for local trips (I have a Leaf as well).
EPA ratings are not a consistent measure. Several automakers complained that it did not take into account their special tech, so they were allowed to modify how range is calculated. That is why the Porsche Taycan (which used the standard EPA formula to calculate range) often beats the Model S (using a clearly inflated modified range calculation) in third party range testing, despite Tesla claiming over a 120 mile advantage. As it is not a consistent measure, you can't read too much into EPA ratings. We simply don't know how Nissan calculated range. Is it an inflated manufacturer-developed calculation for this car or the standard formula? We really need to get to one range calculation for everyone so that we can make a valid comparison.
Sam, 4,400 lbs isn’t heavy. The Model Y actually weighs more than that. The issue isn’t weight. Weight is almost irrelevant for efficiency at constant highway speeds on level ground. The cause of this car’s lack of efficiency is actually Aerodynamics.
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I bought it in March 2023 and I was getting 304 miles. I got that at least 2 times when I charge but now I am getting less than 200. I decided to do early termination and looking seriously at the Tesla Mode 3 and Model Y. I am disgusted with the Ariya.
Sam The volume is too low.. Have to turn volume all the way up...
Price vs value in your current market is a factor many manufacturers are overlooking. Nissan, Stellantis, Ford and almost all Chinese manufacturers in Europe.
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I actually saw an Ariya on the road today and got a pretty good look at it. It was much better looking than I thought it would be from photos and videos. I think the jet black paint job helps.
Is the front motor disconnecting when not required?
We’ve got an Ariya. We are generally happy with it, but yeah, we were ripped off, too much money.
Heard the Ariya gets only 2.9 miles/kwh. My old Leaf routinely gets 5.0 miles/kwh. That, and old (NMC) battery tech, means I don’t find it interesting.
I like the Ariya, but I'm holding on to my 2016 Nissan Leaf until 2024-2025 when my Tesla stock will buy me a new Model 2
This car's price is a gigantic problem. Something most manufacturers don't understand. Early adoption is over. Main stream price parity is in.
The problem is that it doesn't qualify for the $7500 tax credit. The LEAF is not only cheaper but also qualifies for the $7500 tax credit.
It's price and interest rates. They waited too long to bring this to production and by the time it finally hit interest rates went up, tax breaks disappeared. I reserved and was able to sneak in on the old tax break. I've had it since May and love this car more every day. Platinum AWD, this summer on full charge it would get 280-300. Now that temps have dropped it's more like 220-250. Either way I'm good and never had an issue. Only once got it down to 25 miles remaining.
Completely agree with what you’re saying and the points you raise..: BUT, one thing the Ariya has that the other cars don’t (especially in the UK) is the ability to use vehicle to grid.
We’ve had 3 trials in the UK and they’ve all been completed with the chademo standard. I nearly considered a leaf because of this as yes the range may me lacking, yes they don’t have manually cool and managed batteries, yes it’s a nissian, but if you could fill it with cheap electric, saving the need to buy a battery storage system for the house such as a Tesla power wall or the new Givenergy all in one system, it does balance the cost.
It depends not only on what car you want, but you’re entire house eco system. I have 9kWp of solar, 5kWh battery storage, 6kW inverter, a solar divert hot water tank and a solar divert car charger.
Being able to pull the power back in the property would be very interesting to me.
Two things to consider:
1. The average efficiency of an EV electric motor is 80%. The efficiency of the motors in a Tesla Model Y is 97%.
2. The Drag Coefficient of the Arita is 0.30 compared to 0.23 for a Tesla Model Y. Aerodynamic drag is a major factor in range.
Taken together, the assumed lower efficiency motor and significantly higher drag of the Ariya, these can explain the lower range compared to the Tesla Model Y.
The 62 Kwh Ariya FWD is rated at 216 miles range. Which is not much less than the Leaf with the same battery. I'm not sure the efficiency is as bad as you think.
@@joecoolioness6399 - the efficiencies I mentioned are "average" and I need to dig into more specifics about motors from each vendor. It's like they used to say: Your mileage may vary.
Lately, another concern of mine when looking at cars is how well the air conditioner works. My sister's model x can't be driven through the middle of the day because the air conditioner can't possibly keep up with the 107° heat. I can't see payng over $40,000 for a run around town car, but if I were in that market I would forgive a range penalty for a comfort bonus.
Today in Houston I went to a dealership. $39.6K MSRP for a new 2024. Non negotiable. And there was a $5859 list of non negotiable add ons. The InterWeb said the car has been there 6 months. I laughed out loud in the sales managers face and left dancing while holding up my check book over my head.
Let the car rust one the lot.
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so the ariya would cost $45k?
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I love the Ariya great mile range and smooth drive. VW is crap less mile range all the people i spoke who drive VW wants to return it.
I called January 2021 the Nissan dealer near Salzburg. I wanted a better EV 200 van with minimum 70 kWh battery and the in EU usual CCS.
The salesman only talked only about this SUV.
I explained him several times, when I want a SUV, I take the Tesla Y,
but when I want a van, I would choose a much improved EV 200, but sure not with 42 kWh battery and Chademo.
Sam, do the math. At 34 kwh/100 mi you would require a pack of about 98 kwh to achieve 289 mi of range (for the 4th/last model in the EPA sticker list). The pack size given for this model is 87 kwh. EPA range numbers are BS. Use the efficiency number, 34 kwh/100 mi in this case.
W our 2020 Tesla MY LR we have averaged 279 wh/mi over 45k mi. The EPA consumption rating for this vehicle is 280 wh/mi. BUT. We do not get 316 mi range on the highway since we can only use about 65 kwh of the 74 kwh pack (about -4 kwh degradation over 3 years). To get 316 mi at 28 kwh/100 mi the pack would need to be rated at 88.5 kwh.
Nearly 20% dearer than a Model Y Standard Range in this market. Some dealers offering small discounts by calling new cars Used (under 1000km). Will Nissan be around in 5 years?
What battery pack does it use? I mean, who supplies it?
Weight should not be an issue. Tesla Model Y is almost just as heavy. Difference is very small. Problem is that Tesla Model Y is more streamlined and has better efficiency. The Ariya is an SUV that is high on the wheels with lots of wind resistance. That impacts the range. But why it is not selling is not about the range. Price in the Netherlands is the same as a Tesla Model Y so that is also not it. Websites testing cards are quite positive about the Ariya but always, when comparing to the Tesla , the Tesla wins. That also happens for other brands in those comparisons. When I asked the Nissan dealer end of last year about a test drive, I was told that ordering an Ariya had a waiting list of more than a year and he could not promise me anything. The price was also increased. So I gave up. I think it is more about the availability, at least that was it a few months ago.
One of the main reasons is that they dont qualify for the $7500 + sometimes another $7500 in CA, and other subsidies, if they had a plant in the USA, then the $47,000- 304 mi 87KWH model would be a steal at $32,000 and if you only received the $7500 would be a good deal at $40,000
The Ariya is a decent car, however it is $43k base price, and because it is so much more than the Tesla, which gets the tax credits, it has no chance, and even though it is arguably a prettier car inside, the pricing is off and thus it only sells under 1k/month. The tax credits are driving the business; that is a huge finger on the scale forcing companies to build their cars here.
Other countries like Brasil and Japan punish imports severely, so this tax credit thing is a taste of what is to come in the USA.
The $43k base price is less than the Model Y, not more. If you're factoring in the $7500 tax credit, that's fine, but you have to remember that not everyone qualifies. If you are single and earn more than $150k/yr, you don't qualify, so you can throw that out the window when car shopping.
Starting at EUR 56000 on the webpage. Too expensive.
I didn't look at how expensive front seat heaters and parking beepers front and rear would cost.
Japan was never one to "play fair" in the import business. Televisions had a $100 tarriff, the Japanese didn't pay and the US gave up trying at $100 million. Then they had a $400 tax on small trucks, they imported trucks without beds to avoid that one. The 1982 Chevrolet Camaro was $5k in the US, but when imported to Japan it cost $25k due to "regulations". Don't feel too badly for them. It's not even a little bit of games they play.
It is too heavy, too thirsty, has not enough trunk space. And the charge port position ist an absolute no-go.
It all down to price and lack of incentives in the US hurts it.
Why buy a aryia when you can get a model y for cheaper, for me the higher price doesnt justify buying it.
Also the standard range should have had a lfp battery.
In EUROPE start the price from 62 600 USD
You buy the ariya for the looks basically? Maybe the interior design? Idk
That's too bad. I love the styling. Nissan is/was a good car company.
Also called Nissan UREA.
Nissan had all of these years to come up with a good EV. They couldn't. Survival of the fittest. This company will be one of the first legacy companies to go belly up. They will not sell any of these, especially in the US. It is a poor value even at $10,000 less than it sells for now. Nissan, thank you for the Leaf. God bless you and good night.
Have you driven one and what the hell are you comparing it to? It's a fantastic car and for an EV is priced very competitively at least here in Michigan where I live.
I saw an Ariya in New York a TLC. He must be out his mind doing that.
I was at a Nissan dealer last week in Canada and was told if I wanted an Ariya I had to put my name down and wait 18 months
But Sam's reporting that the Ariya has got enormous inventory because it doesn't sell. How's that?
Dealers in Canada will not sell EVs. Those dealers are putting themselves out of business...
They could have made it in the same US factory that makes the Leaf. FWD for the non AWD model didn't help either.
or just add liquid cooling to leaf
I considered it when ordering a lease car recently but for me the value proposition is all wrong. Its too expensive for not enough range. Ended up ordering the Renault Megane e-tech which is built on the same platform.
In the uk the Ariya is like rocking horse s*hit, the dealers are screaming for them! I waited 10 months for one and have seen no more than a handful on the roads and I’ve been looking!! I’ve test driven ev’s from Mercedes, Jaguar, BMW, the Ionic 5 and ID4 and there are a multitude of decision points to work through in order to make a choice. Price has to be the big factor, but range, drive ability and styling play their part. In my humble opinion the styling and drive ability are far superior to most others I’ve tried and if you want to be in the vanilla camp of the Tesla then so be it…. each to their own, I didn’t so chose the car that suited me best. I don’t think there is anything underlyingly wrong with the Ariya and the implication that there might be is just conspiracy….. if their not selling in the USA it’s because they don’t get the subsidy…. And as such are priced out of the market…. Perhaps Nissan should send some to the UK and alleviate the backlogs!!
The lack of tax incentives has to be the primary reason but I wonder if there's more. There is a large installed base of Leaf owners and the Ariya is a big upgrade over the Leaf even if it's not compelling when compared to a Tesla. It would be natural for a fair number of Leaf owners to trade in on an Ariya assuming that they are happy owners, are most Leaf owners unhappy with the car or with Nissan.
I agree with what you said about Leaf owners moving up to this, as I have. But I disagree about Tesla. Take away FSD (which is not a real thing yet anyway and probably never will be) and I put the Ariya up against a Y or X any day.
Could the surprisingly low range be caused by a conservative approach by Nissan, by using a smaller amount of the nominal battery capacity than the competition?
Over priced in the USA + no federal tax credit. Charging speeds are mediocre. Lacks true one pedal driving, Strange ergonomics where door side arm rests are lower than center console. Too many trim options, and the features most people want are on the higher trims. Non-competitive / low year term warranties.
With the higher battery packs, the range is decent/not great, could be the weight, but also keep in mind that Nissan has a buffer of a non-usable amount built in.
Which is all really too bad. As a life long Datsun/Nissan owner, I’m disappointed in this vehicle.
I have yet to look at an Nissan Aria. I plan to go look at them soon. If I can find them in stock locally. But Nissan now has a reputation of being short legged (range) and having unreliable batteries that rapidly lose capacity. Plus it’s battery charging CHDMO connection is on the way out of favor rapidly. It needs to adopt the NACS like yesterday and address it’s battery reputation issues. Plus it’s now kinda the uncool minivan status of electric cars currently. As in you purchased a Nissan EV? Why? Nissan needs to price this car as an affordable EV and figure out how to polish up its brand luster and bring customers back into the fold. And it does not have a lot of time left to do that.
There's a Harry's Garage video where Harry gets to ride in the funky looking Mercedes EQXX, the one that does +1000km on a single charge. It all comes down to weight, aero and efficiency. There's a huge difference between the Ariya and Model Y's weight and Cd value. The same happened with the Polestar 2 facelift where Polestar gave it more range ... by fitting a bigger battery. It's like running a memory hungry operating system on your computer and fixing the problem by fitting more memory. It's the wrong thing to do.
You can say about Tesla what you want but they're the only ones who just optimise the crap out of everything. And they're proud of it too. I don't think any of the Ariya's engineers feels a sense of pride.
Is it possible to also speak about Tesla problems, because there is a lot also ! Even if model Y it is my #1 choice there is 4 major problems , can you find it ?
Most people will not buy an ev not made by Tesla. Unless it’s cheaper and has much better range.
Ariya is not selling because its name sounds too close to urea. LOL Joking aside, the Ariya came out a few years too late and now it's not competitive.
Yeah, that name is a pisser.
Are you taking the p1ss? 😊
@@connclissmann6514Yes, in the Ariya. LOL
Or has Nissan just quietly decided to keep the battery in the 10%-85% depth of discharge, trading off range for longevity?
EPA is not revieling range tests, it is done by the EV maker. And there are different EPA testing variants, the manufacture can chose which one they want to use.
WLTP range is done the opposite way
Went to my local Nissan dealer in May to see the Ariya. The only car they had was in the showroom and was told they could not sell it. An order they said would take several months. I saw that the Ariya had no frunk and was about the size of the Chevy Bolt. My interest was in an all wheel drive Primere but found less range than a Tesla and a higher cost without a tax incentive. Nissan, once a leader with the Leaf, is now way behind the competition.
I parked next to a Bolt yesterday while charging. You must be thinking of another car because my Ariya dwarfed the Bolt. I have as much rear seat room and head room as my 2014 Honda Odyssey.
There is way more to comparing a car than only size / range/ cost. Build quality, style, ergonomics of the dash and controls make all the difference. The Ariya is absolutely similar to Y and EV5 and id4 for interior room and range.
Ariya is not selling because it was delayed over a year and the e4orce AWD is only now available...
It is not selling because it costs $15,000 too much.
Ariya at 59.7 cubic feet of cargo is not close or similar to Model Y at 72 cubic feet plus a 4 cubic ft trunk, so 76 total cargo volume for Model Y.
The Ariya is close to Chevy Bolt which has 57 cubic feet. An EV6 is even smaller at only 50 cubic feet of cargo space.
@@bigdaddy1279 They'd sell 8 times as many if they dropped the price $15k. Probably can't make that many at a profit.
I think it is the best looking EV currently available. I love it. I understand that is an opinion but man this thing is gorgeous in pearlescent white and the piano black trim/wheels.
I will give some insight as a fire here, and I can only speak for myself, but I might be the exact target market for this car, and it feels like Nissan is marketing towards somebody like me very heavily. I have never in my life gotten a postcard mailing advert in premium glass from a car manufacturer, but Nissan sent me one about the Aryia. For me when I look at the competition, I’m always concerned about durability and engineering, I know that Nissan makes a good car because I’ve driven them for over 25 years, and I know that their electric vehicle technology is not going to explode or catch on fire. Even without the tax incentive - and incentives do matter - I just cannot see another company that offers a car that I like in this arena. I don’t want the ID4, I don’t want Tesla. I basically want the design and styling of my leaf SV with a nicer look and a bit more range. To me the most important thing is the warranty and the Aryia has what I desire. Also, the rims are very cool.
Don’t think anyone saw this coming….the press in the U.K. liked the car when launched. It’s a bit expensive here in the U.K., on list price, but it’s way better looking than the VW competitors. Better prices would help.
Probably one of the safest cars out there. Range isn't great, but it's enough for most people. It's a bit ugly though - it looks too big at the front.
I care less about battery efficiency and more about creature comforts, reliability, and styling. Ariya excels at the things I care about. It has the range I need in a commuter either way, so…
I can’t believe a hood that big doesn’t have a frunk. What a heavy POS
Non market pressures being exerted on manufactures are leading to great malinvestments. When you push companies to adopt technology at a rate of change that exceeds their capacity you push them to the brink of failure and some will fail as a result. All this loss and waste will then be paid for and that cost will lead to an overall slower mass adoption and slower design iterations. Major automotive manufactures failures are going from likely to certain and this will worsen the global economic situation reducing consumer spending and slowing adoption rates.
Even more important than range is the only reliable and available Tesla charging system. With Tesla new or used it is available right now. With Ford and GM it might be available in a few years with a new car purchase. With Hyundai and Toyota it might never be available.
Ariya is beautiful, but it doesn't seem like a good deal based on MSRP. On top of Ariya's ambitious pricing, Nissan dealers further sour the process by forcing add-ons like nitrogen in the tires, paint protection, VIN etching, GPS locator systems, etc. Shopping around for the "least screwy" deal is very old school and exhausting for the consumer.
It isn't only Nissan dealers. But I got mine to throw all the extras in for free because I told them to find me a car without them. So they decided a sale today on a car in stock is better than possibly losing me to another dealer with a car without those extras. I was willing to drive to the dealer who had the car I was willing to pay for.
Munro live did a teardown of an AWD EV drive unit recently, the car had an electromechanical freewheel mechanism to disengage motors from the wheels when not active. Wonder if Nissan skimped on this, resulting in the big range hit on the AWD version
I was also wondering about this, as this is a fantastic way to bump the efficiency, especially on the long trips and you come across different terrains and could use less rolling resistance.
Doesn’t matter,,Nissan uses External Exited Synchronos Motors,,, Not Permanent Magnets !
The car comes up short in every key category except price.
Maybe you should look into the Nissan battery tech, before you trash the car, there are not many EV's in the US under 40,000
this is weird 😮... in EU this car is like a hot pie. It is hard to find one to buy. I waiting for my e-4orce 10 months already. This car is amazing for family trips 🤩
Mostly I think its the model Y factor in the USA. Model Y is the benchmark so why buy a sub-par BEV when a model Y is "cheap". Range, from the reviews I have seen it is efficient around town but at speed with a Cd of a brick it sucks.
Japanese EV are at least 5-6 years behind Tesla
I don't know how dim Nissan's future is but their new Sakura is selling faster than they can make it. I can't see how they can make much profit on a car that starts at $16,000 though.
Cost, Cost, Cost= Price Higher the Comparable EVs, No tax incentives, Dealers Markup. IMO, their target market were leaf buyers, so they should've just improved the leaf for these buyers to upgrade instead of thinking all new EV buyers are willing to pay Tesla prices.
Nor what you'd choose to buy in the US for sure. But Nissan have just won the Japanese award for best car of the year for their kei class, that's very small car class, EV car the Sakura. It's a car designed for getting around in big cities with small streets, and 34% of the Japanese car market. The 2022 Honda N-box is the current best selling model: but it is an ICE car.
Interesting to see how the Sakura goes.
What capacity is usable? Having 87kwh doesn't mean all 87 accessible. Is there a chance they have large reserve to increase lifespan of the battery?
It's 87 usable. Battery is actually 91
Nobody makes vehicles with large battery reserves. The drivers can use smaller charge ranges.
I'd love to pick up the Z.
The tax incentive in the US is distorting the figures on a lot of cars sold there.