The issue was never the shape. It was merely the surfacing. Pontiac dropped the ball one the hideous lights, cladding, split rear window that hurt visibility, and those wheels.
I feel like any EV review should include these points: 1) Does it have a heat pump? That makes a massive difference for range in winter months. 2) How is the charging on road trips? Will the GPS calculate charger visits like in a Tesla, and does it actually work well? 3) How are the crash safety ratings?
I have eliminated two EV’s based on the heat pump as in my climate it will make a big difference. The Mach e and well to be honest I have lots of reasons to eliminate the ID4. So many bad decisions. But it also annoys me that they put the heat pump in the European model but not the US Model.
They are not experienced EV people, so you have to excuse them. For none tesla there is an app (ABRP) that can calculate the route with charging stops and preference and even connect to ODB2 and read out battery state and consumption. You can use it over android auto or apple car play.
Nissan was miles ahead of the game with the Leaf. A Model 3 before the Model 3. Its hard to understand how they just let that lead vanish by not innovating.
@@DerEchteBabotoyota never wanted to build pure ev models. Their company ethos is proven durability and they prefer their much refined hybrid drivetrains with old style lead batteries. They're only begrudgingly building EVs now and their CEO changed this year. Guy who stepped down believes EV's are a trend yet to play out and nobody knows what will be the drivetrain of the future yet
I had a 2016 Leaf for 6 years and it was the best little city car ever. Traded it in on my GT-R. 😂 Nissan?...innovation?...wut?...have you seen their lineup over the last 5-10 years? lol
You guys always inject a level of comedy into your commodity product reviews that they are some of my favorites that you do. Thanks for the entertainment!
I know this isn't going to be your most popular video as a lot of people aren't into commodity vehicles unless they are researching a new car purchase but I thank you guys for spending the time and effort to put these videos out
@@davidmccarthy6061 And this BEV is probably one of the cleanest looking without being a minimalist Ikea designed insane asylum cell on the interior and a fat catfish on the exterior like a Tesla does. Not big on the E Four Orse name but hey. I would be all for getting one if I was in the market for a new BEV.
BEV is still less than 10% of new car sales in North America, and less than 15% in Europe. It just doesn't make financially to focus on a small portion of the market.
Really great that Nissan made this so affordable. Juggling a 60k family hauler and a 500k mortgage is well within the reach of the average household, especially if they drop that unnecessary 1500.00 monthly health insurance premium.
It's especially affordable for low-income minorities. I see EVs all the time in the ghetto where I deliver mail, and when I say "all the time", I mean that I have never seen one EV there.
@@jeffw1267 Obviously your need a stronger prescription. If you hadn't cancelled your 1500.00 monthly health insurance perhaps you could get a more appropriate prescription. I'm sure there are multiple EV's along your route that you just can't see.😀
They are giving the price in Canadian dollars. In the US, the Ariya starts just under 45k. I have no idea why Canadian reviewers aren't more specific why their currency, they can tell by analytics where their traffic comes from.
The video quality, editing, and humor are next level. The shoppe segments, audio testing, and honesty are the lagniappes that keep me coming back. Thank you, Savagegeese.
9:19...."..for most people the battery will not be an issue in cold weather..." That statement to me just means that the manufacturer would rather make excuses for the problem rather than solving it. The problem with Nissan and alot of other manufacturers is that they don't do enough to separate themselves from the competition.
After wanting to strangle myself seeing the Brie Larson commercial for the millionth time, I actually came across a chrome copper Ariya on the freeway and it looked GOOD. Really surprised me.
I find the Ariya pretty inside and out, and when the bar is set by a Bz4RX… hitting middle of the pack for the EV mainstream market is pretty good. Its not a car to be super enthusiastic about, but its solid. Its a Nissan
Reminds me of what the Maxima was in the late '80s and early '90s, were there better cars, sure, but none had the character for the price of the Maxima, it rode that line between expensive economy and cheap luxury. In fact, I'm surprised they didn't stretch this chassis a bit to comfortably add a third row and make this the new Maxima. Now that I think about it for the price it should a bit longer in the back and have a fold away third row, the extra cargo space will more than make up for the lack of storage under the hood.
Kudos to the manufacturer representatives knowing full well that your warped sense of humor will do to their earnest contributions. And please keep doing what you do to them every time.
The Ariya starts at a more lower price than mentioned on this video. I just bought one this weekend, I got the base trim it starts at 44k.The car has a lot of freaking options that I was surprised came in a base model. I was chasing a cheap payment for my next car and this hit the sweet spot for a sub $350 a month lease.
You might be ok with the base trim but most people want to add some options. With all wheel drive and the bigger battery pack this thing is crazy expensive.
This was exactly my experience, I got the Engage and it checked 90% of my feature needs. There are a lot of cars that fit the appliance category and that's just OK. I specifically wanted an easy car for the wife to commute with and this was perfect. HUD, and zero gravity seats on my poverty spec trim are my favorite features.
Tha day has arrived. $60.000 for a Nissan is now considered affordable. I don't believe people will buy them. At least not in numbers that will account for much.
The same applies and for the competition, if not that incentives and tax relives, mostly people would not even pay attention and with good reason really.
After watching this and hearing they are covering 3 years of charging, this to me sounded like a great lease deal. Sure enough, just checked leasehackr and the fwd version is going for $237/mo + $2,131 due at signing for 36months with 10k miles a year here in NJ due to credits. That's a price that most can afford to pay versus the $350-$400 rouge if you're okay with an ev.
Never put anything down when leasing. That’s free money to the dealer. It’s not a deposit, you don’t get it back, and if you ever plan to buyout the car it’s not considered. Check the lease price again with no money down
@@traolin5877 Just factor it into the monthly price. $237 + ($2,131 / 36) = $296/month. If you're planning to buyout the car, add it in to the buyout price instead.
I'm starting to see a bunch of these in Northern Virginia, they look FAR better in real life than in pictures. I'd take one of these over a Model Y or ID4 without having to think twice.
Ikr. I saw a rose gold one at the auto show and it was the center of attention I'm the area. Of Nissan continues this it could be as good as the Ioniq 5
I've had a KIA EV and Tesla EV apart from plenty gas and diesel cars before that - Just got the Ariya and its by far the most comfortable car I've driven for quite a while - its quiet, really good enterior, relaxing on long trips and long range - love it!
The biggest problem for all traditional car manufacturers is Model 3 only cost around 40k. There are literally no headroom to spread development costs and additional manufacturing costs for EV. All Toyota, GM, Ford, etc will need to write off at least 2 billion dollars to sell proper EVs. And then their first and second generations products will still be slower and have shorter range than Model 3.
1:47 To me, motors for stuff like that is outright decadent. (And slower and more indirect/complicated to access.) 4:07 How does that slant actually feel? Did they presumably consider ergonomics or is it just for style? 5:24 Brie Larson? I thought Nissan are trying not to go bankrupt. (Ask @TheCriticalDrinker how whollygood she is for the world.)
It would help in your EV reviews if you could comment on mi/kWh. A formal range test isn’t needed to get a sense of typical efficiency (or inefficiency) over whatever miles you put on the car and with whatever amount of hooning or balloon footing you do with it.
You end up with small numbers that don't appear to be very different between one another when calculating mi/KwH. Let's crunch some numbers to demonstrate. If one car is 2.91 mi/KwH while another is 3.33 mi/KwH, that is the rated difference between a car estimated to get 250 miles of range on an 86 KwH battery versus a car rated to get 200 miles of range on a 60 KwH battery, respectively. At face value, those numbers don't appear to be much different, but they don't tell the full story as the higher mi/KwH option is still a lower range. I suppose it's useful for comparison's sake, but you have to admit, it is starting to get into the realm of "baseball statistics" factoids and calculations
@@KillaninjaFCJust multiply by 8. The current values for efficiency align remarkably close to gasoline mileage-- not miles per gallon, but miles per _pints._ An ICE vehicle getting 24 mpg is getting 3.0 miles per pint of gas. One getting 32 mpg is getting 4.0 miles per pint. The kw/h all of a sudden resembles a pint of gas, so an 80 kw/h battery looks a bit like a 10 gallon fuel tank. Plug in your previous examples: 2.91 miles per kw/h times 8 becomes 23.28 miles per "gallon" of electrons. The 3.33 figure is 26.64 miles.
I'm really confused by the current auto market. With an ever shrinking middle class and the fed outright lying about how bad inflation is... who the hell is spending 40-60k on a disposable appliance? Can I afford it? yes... is it financially responsible? no. EVs, and trucks/SUVs are a baffling market. People are still buying them I guess, or they wouldn't continue to exist like this.
Great Job Mark and Jack, not a fan of EV's, but always neat to learn what is going on in the EV market, at least this is not ugly and they do have a battery heater. Will always support you on Patreon
I got my brand new Engage base for 20% off MSRP! $4400 off from dealer and $4750 from Nissan rebates.. $44,700 MSRP (includes destination) down to $35,500! 😃 Engage base has so many nice options.. pretty much everything you need and more minus power liftgate. it's plenty fast.. and 220 mile range is all I need for my daily needs . Looks best in the gun metallic color imo (charcoal). I have a gas ram truck for my long trips with the family. We are saving so much money in gas with our local commuting. Drive super smooth and quiet. Very big feeling for our family of 4. Sits higher higher than rest of this ev segment which we like alot. We love our Ariya!
The Leaf is still a good vehicle. Between my E55 and S2k, If I have to get groceries, run errands, or even bumper to bumper traffic, I rather be in my Leaf than either of the other two.
When will the EV manufacturers stop jamming 0-60 and horsepower numbers down our throats… the typical EV purchaser doesn’t GAF about those numbers, unless they are bragging down at the local Pub… manufactures should spend their marketing budgets on eliminating all the question marks about EVs..such as real world ACTUAL RANGE, with the a/c, heat or other accessories on… or better yet , what to do when a hurricane hits Florida and there is no power…. Generator in the trunk ??? Or better yet the replacement cost of a battery pack when it’s goes south in 5 years… increased insurance costs, special tires. let’s just face it boys and girls, EVs are disposable cars after 5- 7 years…. Says my 1999 Honda Accord after 338k miles… runs like a champ, a/c works , can fix it in my driveway and it’s paid for… I can think of infinitely better ways to spend $50k on a car….
We REALLY enjoyed the Ariya when we had it. There’s so much to like about it yet it’s held back by a few irritating deficiencies (and the price). Loved seeing your take on it. Great video (with WAY more pesky facts than ours 😂).
The Nissan Urethra has 192 Prismatic Lithium-ion batteries - the same as my wife's Mr. Stabby XL Double Sided Bilbo Baggins. Hopefully this won't impact the availability of replacement batteries - its the only thing that keeps my wife happy due to my remedial salary as a fluffer for Gapin' Grandpas Adult website :(
They get a lot of hate from you guys on styling, but this Nissan does at least show that Hyundai is willing to do different things with their EVs. No one's mistaking an Ioniq 5 for this or a Model Y, or a 6 for a Model 3.
I test drove this car recently and I loved it though it seemed too expensive for what it was. While the outside design really didn't mesh with me I love the interior design.
I seen one in all black knowing what it was and not seeing them that often yet I was like damn it looks good in all black other than that it’s just meh.
I feel like, at least right now, these big EVs don't make a lot of sense. Battery technology needs to improve first. The leaf in comparison had a much bigger impact in the market. The main benefit I see from cars like these is the developing of way better platforms
These BEVs are heavy. I'd like to see more BEVs go the route of the BMW i3, with composite frames and bodies. Couple that with next generation battery technology and then maybe I'd consider ownership.
You have to start from somewhere, though. You can't do nothing until a technology is perfect, and until then it's a great step forward for people who want electric as it is.
The fact that none of these new EV's have a frunk except a tesla or lucid...I won't even consider them. WHY DO ALL OF THIS, if all I get is a generic car that has no advantages over its gas counter part. Charging is now the same price as gas. This has been proven through data.
Would be nice if you guys would fire a back a bit more on everything going "upmarket". It's becoming increasingly more clear that they are pricing a good section of the population out of the market. And I would truely like to hear why they are doing this.
I rented an EV on vacation and it was terrible. Not because of the car itself but the availability of a super charger was limited in this city that i was in. I always had to charge the thing and worry about the charge. I spent alot of time waiting on the car to charge. Not a great time. The car was nice other then the charging problem.
I own an EV for 2 years now and the charging and availability issue persisted for maybe 2 weeks to a month until I figured out where everything is, how to find chargers and plan home charging. Renting an EV in an unfamiliar environment is a disaster waiting to happen, especially if you're new to EVs. The only country I would consider renting an EV is Norway.
I rented a Tesla Model Y from Hertz in Portland, OR and drove it for a week, putting 1200 miles on it all over northwestern Oregon. Never an issue charging and the vehicle's navigation system easily directed me to supercharger locations. I only spent $40 in charging fees for the 1200 miles. I'd definitely rent one again.
@@bartwaggoner2000 it was a Chevy Bolt. There is a supercharger but even then having to spend and hour or more at this location plus the amount charged didn't really convince me on EV practicality.
@@grocerylist whoever doesn’t want to spend $67K for a vehicle with 200 miles range max. It’s just ridiculous. If the only purpose of own an EV it’s to save money on fuel that’s the smart alternative, I didn’t say its perfect it just cost/benefit. But we are free to choose how to spend our money.
Even on the ICE side, none of the "major brand" mid-sized SUVs really beat one another at any one thing; they are all virtually interchangeable; price is mostly why you grab a Highlander over a Passport or Pathfinder. I don't really see a huge difference here either; the competition mentioned don't really blow this away to a significant degree overall; each has its relative strengths and weaknesses. One thing this does have is a superior interior to all the competitors mentioned. For some, that may be enough to go with it. It is competitive; in this market that is all you need to be to move metal.
I’m surprised you guys didn’t know this, but ALL EVs sold in the US have battery warranties of at least 8 years/100K miles, it’s mandated by federal law.
I genuinely hope there is some type of global conflict soon which destroys the supply chains necessary for modern cars to exist. Only god knows what I would give to get the cars of the Early 90's back.
I wonder if the E-power variants/models would be more appreciated in this case. Asian markets have an e-power variant of the Kicks, and it is quite popular for providing a very affordable EV experience. Without much of the worries of EV maintenance and ownership issues.
@@goncalo33 because it's meant to be a hybrid, not a full EV. The onboard ICE is there purely to charge the battery, while ONLY the electric motor drives the wheels.
That Nissan Rep explanation summed it up: this is a paper-spec car by design, using specs from the top 3 EV SUVs in 1:1 fashion: not gonna be a winner. I hope it's a learning exercise and taking leaf experience create a new EV that's way better. Come on Nissan you gave us the Z, GTR, Frontier and Titan--you can do it.
It come down to timing and price. Before Tesla cut it’s pricing this might have been vey attractive as an alternative. Now Tesla is cheaper and the Ioniq 5 is better as a Tesla alternative.
It will depend on the fit & finish / durability of the Ariya, like the Geese said. I think there are plenty of people who would like a Tesla but with better build quality. This car also seems to be quieter and plusher than the Model Y for example. Time will tell...
@@benjamindoyle668 The Tesla's from Austin and Berlin are at the same level as Hyundia/Kia for fit and finish. It's Fremont's older line that has the panel gaps and squeaks and rattles. I just find the Tesla seats to be below average for their pricepoint. If I could MB GLS seats in my Model X I would be happy. This Ariya with the perforated seats probably feels heavenly compared to a M3/MY seat.
@@Tokamak3.1415 Interesting info. I wonder too about ride quality, wind & road noise, etc. I remember hearing that the early Model Y was atrociously stiff riding and that the later cars were improved, but maybe the cushy Nissan will appeal to an older / more relaxed demographic? I also don't think Teslas look / present expensive enough for their price. You're sort of getting a Toyota / Hyundai wrapper on a very well-engineered EV platform. That's fine for some people but it leaves a lot of other customers feeling short changed.
@@benjamindoyle668 Remember the earliest delivered Ys were the performance oriented ones so they focused on performance over ride quality. A M3/MY is still going to be rougher than a BZ4X or ID.4 but the driving dynamics are much better to compensate. I drove a Y at release and new one from last month - they're noticeably better. Yes the Tesla interiors look cheap and when you figure Tesla has a higher margin than everybody else sans Lambo/MB you think people are buying overpriced junk. I think a large component of Tesla's costs goes into the software, the charging network, OTA, efficiency and safety - nontangible things that you won't notice until you've owned the vehicle. I have an X and want to buy from another company other than Tesla but every other company except maybe Hyundai has too many compromises and I'm looking for a vehicle the size of a minivan so only the Kia EV9 or maybe MB Sprinter (if it comes to the US) are only options. Toyota will not make a BEV Sienna this decade nor will Honda make an Odyssey. If I was going to buy this Ariya and I didn't need the range I would get the Lexus BZ4X variant. The niche for this Ariya seems too small.
Test drove a MY and i5 recently. i5 was definitely my preference. Only thing that held me back was that the MY was a much more mature platform and Tesla has the better software and charging infra. There are some bad problems cropping up in the i5, such as charging over heating triggering a kill switch which Hyundai has acknowledged but says owners will have to live with it, and the 12v battery issue. Plus the Tesla price cuts and tax incentives made it really hard for me to decide. I’m gonna wait for 2024 with the new gen Tesla’s coming out and seeing if Hyundai refreshes their i5 and keep an eye out for more bad issues popping up. I’m really hoping the i5 fixes their big issues, or the Tesla fixes their cabin in the MY so my ears don’t feel weird and that they add Apple CarPlay (highly doubt they will though).
EVs for every manufacturer except Tesla, is currently like what Porsche had to do with the Cayenne. A SUV for the masses to pay for the sports cars for the enthusiasts. The race for which company can reach the first checkpoint of enough interest in their EV SUV to provide for the creation of an EV that actually matches the company's values and brand has started. And then there are some who are brute forcing EVs into their lineup like VW/Audi.
@@brianb5723 What's he gonna do? It's not like he's not telling the truth. As Mark explained, these are the compromises they were forced into based on what they could afford to build. Now, whether you choose to buy those compromises is another matter.
The only way I’m spending 60k on a Nissan is if I get the exact model Brie Larsen did her commercial in and I get assurances that she farted on that seat at least 3 times during the shoot.
@grocerylist I've lived in an apartment in NY and VA. Roughly a quarter of all American live in apartments or condos and won't have any way to charge their evs at home. Additionally, that number will probably increase as homes are becoming more unaffordable. The fact that automakers and politicians aren't thinking about the difficulties of charging an ev shows how disconnected they are.
@@iphone3guru A quarter of Americans living in apartments is nowhere near "most people" live in apartments. Regardless, the charging infrastructure will be built up as EVs become more common. Apartments/condos will get built out with chargers or have chargers added.
I think we can all agree that with next gen batteries coming out in a couple of years, financing any EV right now is just about the worst financial decision you can make. Mind you with current interest rates.
The explaining on the ptc heater was why I don’t trust these. “Basically anytime it goes under 0.” Not to mention that constantly heating and freezing a battery is EVEN WORSE FOR IT FFS.
So this car in Canada is $75,000 CD$ their financing is 8.24% APR over 84 months with a monthly payment of $1236 per month. With Taxes 5% where i live = a grand total payed of $104,000 CD$ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Just think of paying a $104K for this POS.....I would rather plug myself into the high voltage connector....
We definitely don't, but Nissan is smart to pull this move. Bad comparison as a drivers car, but look at how much the CX-5 saved Mazda - Nissan needs to pad their bottom line with a vehicle in the segment that's "hot" right now to rebuild their financials, for better or for worse. I'm just glad that they still build a Z and GT-R.
@@devn3813 no disagreement from me on that point - I'd be happy to see the CUV/SUV trend die. I put my money where my mouth is and bought an NA V6 sport sedan recently.
Your abuse of stock footage is *chef’s kiss*
A masterclass in how to succeed in production value by not taking it too seriously. Love it.
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The Aztec was so ahead of its time, look how many vehicles continue to have the same shape
Toyota FJ was as well.
Yeah I owned a beautiful black fully loaded Aztek I loved it. However it ate transmissions for breakfast.
@@themoviebaywow they ate trans with 185hp 😂 👏 GM
@@papa_ptikr my dad's Yukon was a great car except we had to replace the transmission twice. How does GM never fail to screw up on transmissions 😂
The issue was never the shape. It was merely the surfacing.
Pontiac dropped the ball one the hideous lights, cladding, split rear window that hurt visibility, and those wheels.
I feel like any EV review should include these points:
1) Does it have a heat pump? That makes a massive difference for range in winter months.
2) How is the charging on road trips? Will the GPS calculate charger visits like in a Tesla, and does it actually work well?
3) How are the crash safety ratings?
I have eliminated two EV’s based on the heat pump as in my climate it will make a big difference. The Mach e and well to be honest I have lots of reasons to eliminate the ID4. So many bad decisions. But it also annoys me that they put the heat pump in the European model but not the US Model.
they are ICE-centric so it's interesting to hear reviews from legacy drivers.
They are not experienced EV people, so you have to excuse them. For none tesla there is an app (ABRP) that can calculate the route with charging stops and preference and even connect to ODB2 and read out battery state and consumption. You can use it over android auto or apple car play.
I agree. Specs matter on a EV but its different ones from a ice car like your pointed out
1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Excellent
Nissan was miles ahead of the game with the Leaf. A Model 3 before the Model 3. Its hard to understand how they just let that lead vanish by not innovating.
Same for BMW or Toyota. I guess the head start doesn't really matter
They had a lot of internal strife. There is a rumor they were so fed up with their CEO that they framed him to get him out.
You need money, Nissan isn't swimming in cash for R&D
@@DerEchteBabotoyota never wanted to build pure ev models. Their company ethos is proven durability and they prefer their much refined hybrid drivetrains with old style lead batteries. They're only begrudgingly building EVs now and their CEO changed this year. Guy who stepped down believes EV's are a trend yet to play out and nobody knows what will be the drivetrain of the future yet
I had a 2016 Leaf for 6 years and it was the best little city car ever. Traded it in on my GT-R. 😂
Nissan?...innovation?...wut?...have you seen their lineup over the last 5-10 years? lol
You guys always inject a level of comedy into your commodity product reviews that they are some of my favorites that you do. Thanks for the entertainment!
You have to watch out for the little details in the B-roll, I love it.
This is a commodity product?
Mark is just mad they didn't make a CrossCabriolet version.... yet.
I’d buy that
@@carlosandleon you and Mark are men of culture
I know this isn't going to be your most popular video as a lot of people aren't into commodity vehicles unless they are researching a new car purchase but I thank you guys for spending the time and effort to put these videos out
A big issue with this thing is they took 150 years to release it during a period where timing was so important competitively
What's with the past tense? It isn't like there are 200 other EVs on the market to choose from.
@@davidmccarthy6061 And this BEV is probably one of the cleanest looking without being a minimalist Ikea designed insane asylum cell on the interior and a fat catfish on the exterior like a Tesla does. Not big on the E Four Orse name but hey. I would be all for getting one if I was in the market for a new BEV.
"is they took 150 years to release" you mean like every single SG vidya?
teslasdo look like an insane asylum bottom feeder@@anydaynow01
BEV is still less than 10% of new car sales in North America, and less than 15% in Europe. It just doesn't make financially to focus on a small portion of the market.
I think this could be a future altima when current altima owners figure out how to steal electricity
Unrelated but my dad stole my neighbors cable in 1998
@@xxyvng6831 I bet he had an altima, or a jaaaaaaaaag
@@Suction_ We are american so he drove an 1992 F150 and my mom drove a 1990 oldsmobile cutlass supreme
I have a Ariya and has been charging free on my college campus😅
The stock footage of the people watching the engineer is why I watch this channel 😂
Really great that Nissan made this so affordable. Juggling a 60k family hauler and a 500k mortgage is well within the reach of the average household, especially if they drop that unnecessary 1500.00 monthly health insurance premium.
It's especially affordable for low-income minorities. I see EVs all the time in the ghetto where I deliver mail, and when I say "all the time", I mean that I have never seen one EV there.
@@jeffw1267 Obviously your need a stronger prescription. If you hadn't cancelled your 1500.00 monthly health insurance perhaps you could get a more appropriate prescription.
I'm sure there are multiple EV's along your route that you just can't see.😀
@@ForeverDownByLawthey should just cancel their health insurance, who needs meds, when you can drive an Ariya🤩
They are giving the price in Canadian dollars. In the US, the Ariya starts just under 45k. I have no idea why Canadian reviewers aren't more specific why their currency, they can tell by analytics where their traffic comes from.
@@vulpixelful
Blame Canada
After spending the last year being bombarded by ads for this thing it’s nice to see a proper review for it. I appreciate all the work you guys do!
The video quality, editing, and humor are next level. The shoppe segments, audio testing, and honesty are the lagniappes that keep me coming back. Thank you, Savagegeese.
9:19...."..for most people the battery will not be an issue in cold weather..."
That statement to me just means that the manufacturer would rather make excuses for the problem rather than solving it.
The problem with Nissan and alot of other manufacturers is that they don't do enough to separate themselves from the competition.
It's a valid statement. Most customers live in warmer climate. The amount of us in extreme cold is low
Yeah, their logic is backwards. "People charge at home, so we don't worry about fast charging." I wonder what causes people to charge at home.... 🤔
Also, as an apartment dweller, charging at home is simply not an option.
@nomenclature9607 Luckily most apartments are already wired with block heaters in northern climates. These could be utilized for charging.
Don’t worry, the ice vehicles will warm the planet, so that shouldn’t be an issue much longer
I'm sad to see you're no longer filming in HDR. I'm sure it was a significant amount of extra work, but it was greatly appreciated.
It will be back. Just depends on video and time.
@@savagegeese Glad to hear brother
"...all-electric SUV car thing" sums this thing up SO perfectly.
Back shaped like a Lexus NX
@@hh6913 Yea. Kinda. And a front shaped like the offspring of a pug and a toaster.
The fact Jim doesn’t know the difference between KW and KWh is not filling me with confidence.
Same
After wanting to strangle myself seeing the Brie Larson commercial for the millionth time, I actually came across a chrome copper Ariya on the freeway and it looked GOOD. Really surprised me.
I find the Ariya pretty inside and out, and when the bar is set by a Bz4RX… hitting middle of the pack for the EV mainstream market is pretty good. Its not a car to be super enthusiastic about, but its solid. Its a Nissan
Reminds me of what the Maxima was in the late '80s and early '90s, were there better cars, sure, but none had the character for the price of the Maxima, it rode that line between expensive economy and cheap luxury. In fact, I'm surprised they didn't stretch this chassis a bit to comfortably add a third row and make this the new Maxima. Now that I think about it for the price it should a bit longer in the back and have a fold away third row, the extra cargo space will more than make up for the lack of storage under the hood.
R☠️?
Bar was set high by sx350. New Nissan nicer but less solider than b58. Unclear result with Sx38 as b59 sub models.
Kudos to the manufacturer representatives knowing full well that your warped sense of humor will do to their earnest contributions. And please keep doing what you do to them every time.
It's surprisingly not bad as for current era Nissan, except for horrible marketing and ads...
P.S. my Scottish Fold approves this review!
The Ariya starts at a more lower price than mentioned on this video. I just bought one this weekend, I got the base trim it starts at 44k.The car has a lot of freaking options that I was surprised came in a base model. I was chasing a cheap payment for my next car and this hit the sweet spot for a sub $350 a month lease.
A car made to be leases, that is for sure!
You might be ok with the base trim but most people want to add some options. With all wheel drive and the bigger battery pack this thing is crazy expensive.
They give the price in Canadian. Kind of annoying they don't make the distinction
This was exactly my experience, I got the Engage and it checked 90% of my feature needs. There are a lot of cars that fit the appliance category and that's just OK. I specifically wanted an easy car for the wife to commute with and this was perfect. HUD, and zero gravity seats on my poverty spec trim are my favorite features.
yeah but can I get the same 144-month financing they offer on Altima?
SavageGeese's review of the Ariya makes me want to get a driver's license! and, a big screen TV.
Well Done.
Would of been cool with an ICE I guess 😅
The "engineer" referenced charge speed in kWh. Did I miss something here?
Tha day has arrived. $60.000 for a Nissan is now considered affordable.
I don't believe people will buy them. At least not in numbers that will account for much.
The same applies and for the competition, if not that incentives and tax relives, mostly people would not even pay attention and with good reason really.
@@vedranbozicevic1111even with tht u looking at mid to low 50s
@@andersonrodriguez8258 Way too much for that can.
@@andersonrodriguez8258Except the dealers will jack up the MSRP so the vehicle is over $60K again. Wait and see.
Wow, it’s “way way better than I thought it would be” - damning with faint praise indeed! I think that is a fair review.
I think this is supposed to be the replacement for the Murano. The design and size matches it. It's just twice as expensive 🤦♂️
Spot on
After watching this and hearing they are covering 3 years of charging, this to me sounded like a great lease deal. Sure enough, just checked leasehackr and the fwd version is going for $237/mo + $2,131 due at signing for 36months with 10k miles a year here in NJ due to credits. That's a price that most can afford to pay versus the $350-$400 rouge if you're okay with an ev.
Never put anything down when leasing. That’s free money to the dealer. It’s not a deposit, you don’t get it back, and if you ever plan to buyout the car it’s not considered. Check the lease price again with no money down
@traolin5877 it's tax/doc fees/1st month. They can be rolled in. I never see the point of paying interest on taxes. Not actually leasing this car.
@@traolin5877 Just factor it into the monthly price. $237 + ($2,131 / 36) = $296/month. If you're planning to buyout the car, add it in to the buyout price instead.
I just wish I never had to see another Nissan commercial again in my life.
the only times Jack doesn't wear his sunglasses are when he is lapping in B58 engines
All the HDR training is paying off; Mark's clipart insertion has really elevated.
5:49 Released the strategic geese reserve.
I'm starting to see a bunch of these in Northern Virginia, they look FAR better in real life than in pictures. I'd take one of these over a Model Y or ID4 without having to think twice.
I agree. They are stunning to see irl honestly. Good looking car IMO. For such a thing atleast.
Ikr. I saw a rose gold one at the auto show and it was the center of attention I'm the area. Of Nissan continues this it could be as good as the Ioniq 5
Yeah, but if you get this over a Model Y then you're missing out on your car lying to you about remaining mileage.
I agree that it would require not thinking twice to buy one of these over a Tesla.
Altima is definitely a red flag
I've had a KIA EV and Tesla EV apart from plenty gas and diesel cars before that - Just got the Ariya and its by far the most comfortable car I've driven for quite a while - its quiet, really good enterior, relaxing on long trips and long range - love it!
The biggest problem for all traditional car manufacturers is Model 3 only cost around 40k. There are literally no headroom to spread development costs and additional manufacturing costs for EV. All Toyota, GM, Ford, etc will need to write off at least 2 billion dollars to sell proper EVs. And then their first and second generations products will still be slower and have shorter range than Model 3.
1:47 To me, motors for stuff like that is outright decadent. (And slower and more indirect/complicated to access.)
4:07 How does that slant actually feel? Did they presumably consider ergonomics or is it just for style?
5:24 Brie Larson? I thought Nissan are trying not to go bankrupt. (Ask @TheCriticalDrinker how whollygood she is for the world.)
The evoque convertible was ahead of it’s time, now they’re super desirable
*Murano CrossCab
Gary had a pretty good run before his rear cross-traffic incident
It would help in your EV reviews if you could comment on mi/kWh. A formal range test isn’t needed to get a sense of typical efficiency (or inefficiency) over whatever miles you put on the car and with whatever amount of hooning or balloon footing you do with it.
You end up with small numbers that don't appear to be very different between one another when calculating mi/KwH. Let's crunch some numbers to demonstrate. If one car is 2.91 mi/KwH while another is 3.33 mi/KwH, that is the rated difference between a car estimated to get 250 miles of range on an 86 KwH battery versus a car rated to get 200 miles of range on a 60 KwH battery, respectively. At face value, those numbers don't appear to be much different, but they don't tell the full story as the higher mi/KwH option is still a lower range. I suppose it's useful for comparison's sake, but you have to admit, it is starting to get into the realm of "baseball statistics" factoids and calculations
@@KillaninjaFCJust multiply by 8. The current values for efficiency align remarkably close to gasoline mileage-- not miles per gallon, but miles per _pints._
An ICE vehicle getting 24 mpg is getting 3.0 miles per pint of gas. One getting 32 mpg is getting 4.0 miles per pint.
The kw/h all of a sudden resembles a pint of gas, so an 80 kw/h battery looks a bit like a 10 gallon fuel tank.
Plug in your previous examples: 2.91 miles per kw/h times 8 becomes 23.28 miles per "gallon" of electrons. The 3.33 figure is 26.64 miles.
@@BogeyTheBear huh, how did you figure that? well it beats the useless MPGe numbers
I'm really confused by the current auto market. With an ever shrinking middle class and the fed outright lying about how bad inflation is... who the hell is spending 40-60k on a disposable appliance? Can I afford it? yes... is it financially responsible? no. EVs, and trucks/SUVs are a baffling market. People are still buying them I guess, or they wouldn't continue to exist like this.
Great Job Mark and Jack, not a fan of EV's, but always neat to learn what is going on in the EV market, at least this is not ugly and they do have a battery heater. Will always support you on Patreon
I got my brand new Engage base for 20% off MSRP! $4400 off from dealer and $4750 from Nissan rebates.. $44,700 MSRP (includes destination) down to $35,500! 😃 Engage base has so many nice options.. pretty much everything you need and more minus power liftgate. it's plenty fast.. and 220 mile range is all I need for my daily needs . Looks best in the gun metallic color imo (charcoal). I have a gas ram truck for my long trips with the family. We are saving so much money in gas with our local commuting. Drive super smooth and quiet. Very big feeling for our family of 4. Sits higher higher than rest of this ev segment which we like alot. We love our Ariya!
Lies
The Leaf is still a good vehicle. Between my E55 and S2k, If I have to get groceries, run errands, or even bumper to bumper traffic, I rather be in my Leaf than either of the other two.
When will the EV manufacturers stop jamming 0-60 and horsepower numbers down our throats… the typical EV purchaser doesn’t GAF about those numbers, unless they are bragging down at the local Pub… manufactures should spend their marketing budgets on eliminating all the question marks about EVs..such as real world ACTUAL RANGE, with the a/c, heat or other accessories on… or better yet , what to do when a hurricane hits Florida and there is no power…. Generator in the trunk ??? Or better yet the replacement cost of a battery pack when it’s goes south in 5 years… increased insurance costs, special tires. let’s just face it boys and girls, EVs are disposable cars after 5- 7 years…. Says my 1999 Honda Accord after 338k miles… runs like a champ, a/c works , can fix it in my driveway and it’s paid for… I can think of infinitely better ways to spend $50k on a car….
We REALLY enjoyed the Ariya when we had it. There’s so much to like about it yet it’s held back by a few irritating deficiencies (and the price). Loved seeing your take on it. Great video (with WAY more pesky facts than ours 😂).
The Nissan Urethra has 192 Prismatic Lithium-ion batteries - the same as my wife's Mr. Stabby XL Double Sided Bilbo Baggins. Hopefully this won't impact the availability of replacement batteries - its the only thing that keeps my wife happy due to my remedial salary as a fluffer for Gapin' Grandpas Adult website :(
Well, it's a living.
This really is the new malaise era
Indeed. Nothing but SUVs and trucks, and EVs that are SUVs and trucks
The interior is so clean😮
I love how they are flaunting PTC heaters lol. Welcome to the year 2000.
So much $$$!
Why didn’t Nissan make a next gen LEAF, instead??
Where’s the affordable EV for the everyday middle class household??
Well that's intentional. You will own nothing and be happy. Etc etc.
$60K?????... I thought this was $40K MAX before you said the price. These will not sell, way too expensive.
They get a lot of hate from you guys on styling, but this Nissan does at least show that Hyundai is willing to do different things with their EVs. No one's mistaking an Ioniq 5 for this or a Model Y, or a 6 for a Model 3.
I test drove this car recently and I loved it though it seemed too expensive for what it was. While the outside design really didn't mesh with me I love the interior design.
It's dumb but I really like that fake wood grain
Seemed too expensive is an understatement…all these EVs are far too much money for what you get.
I seen one in all black knowing what it was and not seeing them that often yet I was like damn it looks good in all black other than that it’s just meh.
My favorite part was when bri Larson fell into the Grand Canyon
Everyone saying the Integra type S is overpriced right now yet this exists.
Big Ariya Energy
BAE. I like it!
I feel like, at least right now, these big EVs don't make a lot of sense. Battery technology needs to improve first.
The leaf in comparison had a much bigger impact in the market.
The main benefit I see from cars like these is the developing of way better platforms
These BEVs are heavy. I'd like to see more BEVs go the route of the BMW i3, with composite frames and bodies. Couple that with next generation battery technology and then maybe I'd consider ownership.
You have to start from somewhere, though. You can't do nothing until a technology is perfect, and until then it's a great step forward for people who want electric as it is.
@@scott8919 "Electric as it is" is being biased by two things; Fed Tax Credits and the 'Merica Need for things big.
Great vids. Don't Let it End.
@ 7:42 you can see only the right side robot was welding and the other robot had an arc fault
Well done!👍
It’s okay - that’ll buff out 😅
The fact that none of these new EV's have a frunk except a tesla or lucid...I won't even consider them.
WHY DO ALL OF THIS, if all I get is a generic car that has no advantages over its gas counter part.
Charging is now the same price as gas. This has been proven through data.
I wish EVs would give us an optional bench seat in the front with a fold down console/arm rest so we can seat 6 people in a pinch.
I'm glad Nissan paid attention to interior quality. Unlike Tesla that charges BMW money for plastic glued cardboad Mercury topaz interior
Whynot mention all the things Nissan didn't pay attention to?
interested to see what they do with this powertrain in future vehicles
Piano black plastics live! Only now its on the exterior instead of the interior.
Would be nice if you guys would fire a back a bit more on everything going "upmarket".
It's becoming increasingly more clear that they are pricing a good section of the population out of the market.
And I would truely like to hear why they are doing this.
I rented an EV on vacation and it was terrible. Not because of the car itself but the availability of a super charger was limited in this city that i was in. I always had to charge the thing and worry about the charge. I spent alot of time waiting on the car to charge. Not a great time. The car was nice other then the charging problem.
I own an EV for 2 years now and the charging and availability issue persisted for maybe 2 weeks to a month until I figured out where everything is, how to find chargers and plan home charging. Renting an EV in an unfamiliar environment is a disaster waiting to happen, especially if you're new to EVs. The only country I would consider renting an EV is Norway.
This is going to be a problem in a world where everything is (almost) instant.
“An EV”? What brand? If not Tesla then that is your problem as there are Super Chargers in most places where would drive a rental car.
I rented a Tesla Model Y from Hertz in Portland, OR and drove it for a week, putting 1200 miles on it all over northwestern Oregon. Never an issue charging and the vehicle's navigation system easily directed me to supercharger locations. I only spent $40 in charging fees for the 1200 miles. I'd definitely rent one again.
@@bartwaggoner2000 it was a Chevy Bolt. There is a supercharger but even then having to spend and hour or more at this location plus the amount charged didn't really convince me on EV practicality.
The interior looks like an EV6 or Ioniq 5. I like how the screens are built into the dash.
$60 grand? WTH! You can get a Corolla hybrid and fuel for the next 10 years
I agree $60k is ridiculous but suggesting a Corolla as an alternative is ridiculous. Who willingly buys a Corolla?
@@grocerylist whoever doesn’t want to spend $67K for a vehicle with 200 miles range max. It’s just ridiculous. If the only purpose of own an EV it’s to save money on fuel that’s the smart alternative, I didn’t say its perfect it just cost/benefit. But we are free to choose how to spend our money.
5:10 through 6:15 is why we watch every Savagegeese video, even the ones about dull commodity vehicles.
#Ariya 😎👌with #e4ORCE🏆
those capacative buttons , when they break 😮😮. wtf are they thinking???
Even on the ICE side, none of the "major brand" mid-sized SUVs really beat one another at any one thing; they are all virtually interchangeable; price is mostly why you grab a Highlander over a Passport or Pathfinder. I don't really see a huge difference here either; the competition mentioned don't really blow this away to a significant degree overall; each has its relative strengths and weaknesses. One thing this does have is a superior interior to all the competitors mentioned. For some, that may be enough to go with it. It is competitive; in this market that is all you need to be to move metal.
lol Nissan touting battery temperature control as an innovation that has been on every car except Leaf for many years
I’m surprised you guys didn’t know this, but ALL EVs sold in the US have battery warranties of at least 8 years/100K miles, it’s mandated by federal law.
Callahan Rd! I used to take that road all the time on my motorcycles. Might be the only fun piece of road around.
Do the climate control 'buttons' work with gloves on?
I genuinely hope there is some type of global conflict soon which destroys the supply chains necessary for modern cars to exist. Only god knows what I would give to get the cars of the Early 90's back.
I wonder if the E-power variants/models would be more appreciated in this case. Asian markets have an e-power variant of the Kicks, and it is quite popular for providing a very affordable EV experience. Without much of the worries of EV maintenance and ownership issues.
It's a far worse version of a Chevrolet Volt. Only 7 miles of range with the engine fully off.
@@goncalo33 because it's meant to be a hybrid, not a full EV. The onboard ICE is there purely to charge the battery, while ONLY the electric motor drives the wheels.
That Nissan Rep explanation summed it up: this is a paper-spec car by design, using specs from the top 3 EV SUVs in 1:1 fashion: not gonna be a winner.
I hope it's a learning exercise and taking leaf experience create a new EV that's way better. Come on Nissan you gave us the Z, GTR, Frontier and Titan--you can do it.
Stock footage game on point.
I’m glad the Big Altima Energy joke Carries through here lol
It come down to timing and price. Before Tesla cut it’s pricing this might have been vey attractive as an alternative. Now Tesla is cheaper and the Ioniq 5 is better as a Tesla alternative.
It will depend on the fit & finish / durability of the Ariya, like the Geese said. I think there are plenty of people who would like a Tesla but with better build quality. This car also seems to be quieter and plusher than the Model Y for example. Time will tell...
@@benjamindoyle668 The Tesla's from Austin and Berlin are at the same level as Hyundia/Kia for fit and finish. It's Fremont's older line that has the panel gaps and squeaks and rattles. I just find the Tesla seats to be below average for their pricepoint. If I could MB GLS seats in my Model X I would be happy. This Ariya with the perforated seats probably feels heavenly compared to a M3/MY seat.
@@Tokamak3.1415 Interesting info. I wonder too about ride quality, wind & road noise, etc. I remember hearing that the early Model Y was atrociously stiff riding and that the later cars were improved, but maybe the cushy Nissan will appeal to an older / more relaxed demographic? I also don't think Teslas look / present expensive enough for their price. You're sort of getting a Toyota / Hyundai wrapper on a very well-engineered EV platform. That's fine for some people but it leaves a lot of other customers feeling short changed.
@@benjamindoyle668 Remember the earliest delivered Ys were the performance oriented ones so they focused on performance over ride quality. A M3/MY is still going to be rougher than a BZ4X or ID.4 but the driving dynamics are much better to compensate. I drove a Y at release and new one from last month - they're noticeably better. Yes the Tesla interiors look cheap and when you figure Tesla has a higher margin than everybody else sans Lambo/MB you think people are buying overpriced junk. I think a large component of Tesla's costs goes into the software, the charging network, OTA, efficiency and safety - nontangible things that you won't notice until you've owned the vehicle. I have an X and want to buy from another company other than Tesla but every other company except maybe Hyundai has too many compromises and I'm looking for a vehicle the size of a minivan so only the Kia EV9 or maybe MB Sprinter (if it comes to the US) are only options. Toyota will not make a BEV Sienna this decade nor will Honda make an Odyssey.
If I was going to buy this Ariya and I didn't need the range I would get the Lexus BZ4X variant. The niche for this Ariya seems too small.
Test drove a MY and i5 recently. i5 was definitely my preference. Only thing that held me back was that the MY was a much more mature platform and Tesla has the better software and charging infra.
There are some bad problems cropping up in the i5, such as charging over heating triggering a kill switch which Hyundai has acknowledged but says owners will have to live with it, and the 12v battery issue. Plus the Tesla price cuts and tax incentives made it really hard for me to decide.
I’m gonna wait for 2024 with the new gen Tesla’s coming out and seeing if Hyundai refreshes their i5 and keep an eye out for more bad issues popping up. I’m really hoping the i5 fixes their big issues, or the Tesla fixes their cabin in the MY so my ears don’t feel weird and that they add Apple CarPlay (highly doubt they will though).
EVs are still waaay unaffordable for the average driver.
EVs for every manufacturer except Tesla, is currently like what Porsche had to do with the Cayenne. A SUV for the masses to pay for the sports cars for the enthusiasts. The race for which company can reach the first checkpoint of enough interest in their EV SUV to provide for the creation of an EV that actually matches the company's values and brand has started. And then there are some who are brute forcing EVs into their lineup like VW/Audi.
Man that explanation by that Nissan spokesman is just excuses after excuses
Agreed
"transitional vehicle" "cold/hot weather decreases range" "plugging in at the office" ... "its a non issue" ... you hit the nail on the head
@@brianb5723 What's he gonna do? It's not like he's not telling the truth. As Mark explained, these are the compromises they were forced into based on what they could afford to build. Now, whether you choose to buy those compromises is another matter.
The only way I’m spending 60k on a Nissan is if I get the exact model Brie Larsen did her commercial in and I get assurances that she farted on that seat at least 3 times during the shoot.
Love the fact that you were listening to Mr. Roboto! Styx baby - ImI
Is anyone going to discuss how most people live in apartments and can't charge an ev?!
Where do you live where that's the case? I don't know anyone that lives in an apartment.
@grocerylist I've lived in an apartment in NY and VA. Roughly a quarter of all American live in apartments or condos and won't have any way to charge their evs at home. Additionally, that number will probably increase as homes are becoming more unaffordable. The fact that automakers and politicians aren't thinking about the difficulties of charging an ev shows how disconnected they are.
@@iphone3guru A quarter of Americans living in apartments is nowhere near "most people" live in apartments.
Regardless, the charging infrastructure will be built up as EVs become more common. Apartments/condos will get built out with chargers or have chargers added.
I think we can all agree that with next gen batteries coming out in a couple of years, financing any EV right now is just about the worst financial decision you can make. Mind you with current interest rates.
Great for all the rich out there but the rest of us can come back in ten years.
These things at dealers are not selling at all, we got 5 of these and they’ve been sitting still for 3-4 months still 😂
No one in their right mind would buy this junk for this price
The explaining on the ptc heater was why I don’t trust these. “Basically anytime it goes under 0.” Not to mention that constantly heating and freezing a battery is EVEN WORSE FOR IT FFS.
Its never too late for a fiery hot nissariya to be sitting on the throne
of EVs
Every single video has Hollywood production quality. Actually, it's better than a lot of movies I've seen.
It’s not copy and paste exterior designs; it’s that that design has been found to be the best.
So this car in Canada is $75,000 CD$ their financing is 8.24% APR over 84 months with a monthly payment of $1236 per month. With Taxes 5% where i live = a grand total payed of $104,000 CD$ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Just think of paying a $104K for this POS.....I would rather plug myself into the high voltage connector....
The styling is so fantastic inside and out, and the colors avaliable are great. Falls apart on range and value sadly. Almost got me out of a 3.
Range is fine with 300 miles. It has a big battery.
@salipander6570 that's only specced a certain way. Others are mid 200
Crazy you think this looks good. Looks like a bloated pufferfish
Piano black on exterior?!
@bartwaggoner2000 lmao!! Yes please. Piano black seats!
Just what we needed another crossover.
We definitely don't, but Nissan is smart to pull this move. Bad comparison as a drivers car, but look at how much the CX-5 saved Mazda - Nissan needs to pad their bottom line with a vehicle in the segment that's "hot" right now to rebuild their financials, for better or for worse. I'm just glad that they still build a Z and GT-R.
@@aprtur we can’t even have one sedan or wagon from a manufacturer but we can have 15 different crossover options and a new one every week
@@devn3813 no disagreement from me on that point - I'd be happy to see the CUV/SUV trend die. I put my money where my mouth is and bought an NA V6 sport sedan recently.