Hummers are not going first, there is more to it than that. The sites open are only in Michigan and Arizona, as far as we can tell. I am in Arizona and have been successful at three different sites. Another Hummer charged in Michigan, but that same person could not charge in Ohio or Pennsylvania. The key here is that Michigan and Arizona have GM proving grounds, so those areas seem to be open for GM testing purposes. I have the official Tesla adapter, not a third party one, since I also own a Ford EV.
Thank you so much! I'm going to pin this comment. It was my understanding from initial forum reports and the GMC web site leak that Hummer EVs were able to charge at all the same location as Rivian & Fords. Thx for providing clarifying information. Pls let us know if you find out anything new.
I finally gave up and decided to go to the dark side and just get a Tesla. Will be taking delivery of it at the end of the week. I wish all those waiting on GM the best of luck and hope that the network is opened enough to help with the major travel corridors at the very least. In what appears to be typical GM style they really make a mess of things. Hats off to Ford and Rivian for being up on the wheel and getting things done.
I am thinking of replacing one of ny CCS cars for a TM3 LR probably AWD for road tripping or evacuation if bad weather approaches. With the overcrowding of CCS chargers these days I can imagine the problem trying to evacuate in the event of impending storm forcast.
At this point, Supercharger access is largely just a redundant support network. There's still value in that, but Supercharger access is no longer the deal breaker it once would have been. As far as the hold up goes, it definitely appears to be on the Tesla side, both in providing an adapter and in updating their app. The reason GMC HUMMER EV owners are having to "spoof" Rivians is because the Tesla app still hasn't been updated despite GMC EVs being officially supported.
On an 8 hr vacation drive. Stayed overnight in Fredricksburg VA which is an EV desert Radley Chevrolet screwed me with an out of service charger then EA screwed me the same ended up having to drive 40 minutes to a slow ass EVGO 50KW but luckily there was a Wegmans and Starbucks near it to kill the 1.5hr charge time. If I did this with my wife & daughter they would be livid. On the good side I got over 350 miles of range in normal driving 80/20 highway/ city with various speed averaging 65 ish and 3.1 mpkw, can't get supercharger access fast enough!!!!! BLAZER EV RWD also own MYLR and previously MMEGT and Bolt EUV
As a Blazer owner, I am guessing you are new to EV? If so, I always make a plan of where I am going to stop and then assume it will be broken to have a backup plan and then sometimes a backup to the backup plan. When the TesSC opens to GM, it will be a really good primary or backup option. They are everywhere as you will see and always work. In all my years of driving EV, I have never shown up to a TesSC and had it off. Sometimes busy, but never broken. Stay safe. Enjoy your trip and new car. Sweet ride.
If Cadillac doesn’t go first I’m going to be seriously PO’d. It’s bad enough OTA Updates still don’t work and the 504 error is still there 6 months later.
I got word yesterday the Hummer EVs using Superchargers were on GM testing stations in NM & MI, so it looks like the GMC website mistake & that info was only foggy. We may still be on track for all at once. See pinned comment for specifics
Thanks for the update. I think I heard you misspeak there at the end? You said Rivian would be next when you just mentioned that Rivian was already on the system. Curious who you meant to say?
GM/Cadillac app for iOS at least won't update until a Friday... It never updates any other day of the week. Let's hope it is set for 7/19/24 and maybe it will have this update?
one can hope, but if that were our date, I would of suspected to be able to use the Ford/Rivian trick already. That was the pattern followed b4 and what is currently occurring with the Hummers.
People have already been looking at the code. Support is in the current app - just turned off. So they don't need a new app release per-say, just need to flip a bit in the GM backend on the server. Same deal if you want to use the Tesla app instead.
For me, the TesSC network will be a secondary choice. I am still EVgo centric both for our LYRIQ and Volvo XC40 Recharge. It is great to have options though.
I suspected these delays and hiccups would occur as soon as we crossed Summer Solstice. Over a week later, "Spring 2024" was redacted to read "coming soon" on the Tesla NACS page. Maybe it will happen before the month is out, but… forgive me if I don't hold my breath. The odd thing is that ANY EV can use the Magic Docks, so in reality the "software" is ready for practically all v3 Superchargers, but… Tesla has yet to grant access to anyone except Ford and Rivian.
I suppose it’s time to check our GM vehicles at least once per week to see if the update which contains the TSC update is there to be installed. Once we have officially gained access then we can place our orders for the adapter. My adapter order was canceled as well back when Musk fired his people. I’m patiently waiting though.
If the GM adapter release is anything like Ford's, GM BEV owners will have a long time to wait. Ordered our Tesla adapter from Ford in late February; still waiting. I will buy a third-party foreign adapter when those companies establish a $1,000,000 bond in the US to satisfy damage claims including loss of vehicle mfg warranty coverage. Who owns the patents? We are in for interesting times. 2 of our BEVs had charge ports damaged by public chargers WITHOUT adapters!
GM is gaining access to 15,000 Supercharger sites. Is this a typo, do they really mean 15,000 “sites” or do they actually mean 15,000 “units”? Does Tesla even have 15,000 Supercharger sites in the US? Here up and down the middle of the country, every state has just a couple or very few Supercharger sites, here in Oklahoma for example there are only 6 Supercharger sites. Sites and units are a whole different matter from each other.
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel I was wrong in my numbers here in Oklahoma. There are 7 Supercharger SITES in the state, all but 2 are in the northeast quarter of the state, with only one in the entire western half and panhandle. So one could say that there are 6 Superchargers in the western half of Oklahoma, but that would be misleading since all of those 6 UNITS are located at the ONE Tesla Supercharger SITE. So it’s important to make the distinction between sites and units. You do a very good job with your reporting and I really enjoy watching the progress. Thanks for adding Francis to your listings, but I notice they have not made any progress with the NEVI funding yet.
I think this is wishful thinking. I can't imagine we're gong to see a big change in the charge curve. Not to worry. The GM charge curve is fine. In fact the number of kWh\unit time I get with my Tesla is about what people report getting with their Lyriqs.
@@doncooper2344 I believe the Lyriq curve has been updated once or twice since deliveries began, maybe even since the Supercharger announcement. Walter would be able to confirm.
The big issue with most CCS cars is the cables on a typical V3 SuC dispenser will not reach the cars charging receptical without the car parked sideways, or in the wrong stall. At stations where there are 20 dispensers CCS cars may get away with parking sideways, however, at smaller stations this type of parking will not be tolerated. Frankly, Tesla's handling of this program is rather frustrating to owners of other makes not knowing when they will be authorized to use the TSuC Network. Its a good thing that CCS charging stations are poping up on major driving routes.
The GMC HUMMER EV specifically has the same charging port location as the Cybertruck, so other than needing to pull deep into the stall (like the Cybertruck), the HUMMER EV should have far fewer issues accessing the Superchargers than other non-Tesla EVs. The same is true of the Chevrolet Silverado EV, though the longer bed is likely to make the cord stretch even farther.
Soon Tesla owners will have to deal with Bolt owners plugged into Superchargers charging to full. 😂 Wish Tesla would make those 15k SC open to all manufacturers like the magicdock stations.
Tesla is happy to quickly adjust charging prices. I’m sure if they find that Bolt EVs are camping on busy chargers for more than 30 mins, they’ll be delighted to implement a parking fee or something similar.
Not sure. I do think the GM crew has some work to do on their Ultium charging curves. Hopefully it will improve for us all as time goes on. Thx for watching.
Yes, Walter, isn’t there a new part number for the GM approved adapter, although not yet available? We have a Chevy dealer nearby that has installed 2 of the GM Incharge DC dispensers. These are complete, have a power light lit, but blank screens 2 days ago. Digging into information behind this on the web, it appears that GM has a website going, which I’m thinking is still under construction. Things are definitely in progress on the GM front. Hopefully all of the holes will be filled and we’ll see some progress by the end of the year.
Sometimes, you don't have a choice. There isn't always a slower DC charger available. And, no, it is not reasonable to expect Bolt drivers to sit for several hours on level 2 to avoid using a 350 kW charger.
I respectfully disagree. Any EV that needs a charge should be able to use high powered stalls. If there are lower powered ones avail, it is common courtesy to use those if your EV can not utilize the higher ones, but to say never I do not agree with.
Disagree, Bolts are not dcfc capable or long distance capable due to super slow dcfc, gm should upgrade to 120kwh onboard capabilities and subsidize it. The worst is a bolt on 350kwh charging at 12kwh trying to go 80% to 100% because of short range to make it to next charger.....annoying to say the least and I owned a bolt EUV, was great as long as you got back home to charge overnight but horrible dcfc
As a matter of fact, A Bolt at 50kW charges from 20% to 80% about as fast as a Mach-e or other similar big battery EV due to the 64kWh battery being approximately 30 % smaller. Plus if you want to hate, hate on ID4 and ride share drivers camped out charging to 100 % !
Hummers are not going first, there is more to it than that. The sites open are only in Michigan and Arizona, as far as we can tell. I am in Arizona and have been successful at three different sites. Another Hummer charged in Michigan, but that same person could not charge in Ohio or Pennsylvania. The key here is that Michigan and Arizona have GM proving grounds, so those areas seem to be open for GM testing purposes. I have the official Tesla adapter, not a third party one, since I also own a Ford EV.
Thank you so much! I'm going to pin this comment. It was my understanding from initial forum reports and the GMC web site leak that Hummer EVs were able to charge at all the same location as Rivian & Fords. Thx for providing clarifying information. Pls let us know if you find out anything new.
Being that Bolts charge so slowly, I'll only use a supercharger if a really need to; I look for slower chargers.
Yes, it will be nice to have options though. There are many bolts out there for sure. It was in 2nd place for several yrs.
Corporate GM is really good at keeping a tight lid on product information.
I have been finding that out through this process. Amazing such a large organization can do that
I finally gave up and decided to go to the dark side and just get a Tesla. Will be taking delivery of it at the end of the week. I wish all those waiting on GM the best of luck and hope that the network is opened enough to help with the major travel corridors at the very least. In what appears to be typical GM style they really make a mess of things. Hats off to Ford and Rivian for being up on the wheel and getting things done.
I am thinking of replacing one of ny CCS cars for a TM3 LR probably AWD for road tripping or evacuation if bad weather approaches. With the overcrowding of CCS chargers these days I can imagine the problem trying to evacuate in the event of impending storm forcast.
Yeah it's all GMs fault I'm sure. Nothing to do with Tesla. Ford can't even get all the adapters they want.
At this point, Supercharger access is largely just a redundant support network. There's still value in that, but Supercharger access is no longer the deal breaker it once would have been. As far as the hold up goes, it definitely appears to be on the Tesla side, both in providing an adapter and in updating their app. The reason GMC HUMMER EV owners are having to "spoof" Rivians is because the Tesla app still hasn't been updated despite GMC EVs being officially supported.
Not dark side at all. Tesla makes great products. I was a satisfied customer using a TesM3LR as my daily driver for a few years. Enjoy!
@@shethjones4494since you have no facts you shouldn’t be blaming gm
On an 8 hr vacation drive. Stayed overnight in Fredricksburg VA which is an EV desert Radley Chevrolet screwed me with an out of service charger then EA screwed me the same ended up having to drive 40 minutes to a slow ass EVGO 50KW but luckily there was a Wegmans and Starbucks near it to kill the 1.5hr charge time. If I did this with my wife & daughter they would be livid. On the good side I got over 350 miles of range in normal driving 80/20 highway/ city with various speed averaging 65 ish and 3.1 mpkw, can't get supercharger access fast enough!!!!! BLAZER EV RWD
also own MYLR and previously MMEGT and Bolt EUV
As a Blazer owner, I am guessing you are new to EV? If so, I always make a plan of where I am going to stop and then assume it will be broken to have a backup plan and then sometimes a backup to the backup plan. When the TesSC opens to GM, it will be a really good primary or backup option. They are everywhere as you will see and always work. In all my years of driving EV, I have never shown up to a TesSC and had it off. Sometimes busy, but never broken. Stay safe. Enjoy your trip and new car. Sweet ride.
Thank you, Walter! Definitely an odd access/roll out.
It will be interesting to see how it transpires. I am hopeful by the end of the month, the three brands will be added. Thx 4 watching.
If Cadillac doesn’t go first I’m going to be seriously PO’d. It’s bad enough OTA Updates still don’t work and the 504 error is still there 6 months later.
I got word yesterday the Hummer EVs using Superchargers were on GM testing stations in NM & MI, so it looks like the GMC website mistake & that info was only foggy. We may still be on track for all at once. See pinned comment for specifics
Thanks for the update. I think I heard you misspeak there at the end? You said Rivian would be next when you just mentioned that Rivian was already on the system. Curious who you meant to say?
Probably Volvo
It was a mis-speak. Volvo/Polestar & MB are next. I apologize for the oversite.
Have a roadtrip planned for the fall of 2025...hoping my kia will have the option to charge at TSC...but I ain't betting on it
@@marcberangerNor would I.
This is great news
GM/Cadillac app for iOS at least won't update until a Friday... It never updates any other day of the week. Let's hope it is set for 7/19/24 and maybe it will have this update?
one can hope, but if that were our date, I would of suspected to be able to use the Ford/Rivian trick already. That was the pattern followed b4 and what is currently occurring with the Hummers.
People have already been looking at the code. Support is in the current app - just turned off. So they don't need a new app release per-say, just need to flip a bit in the GM backend on the server. Same deal if you want to use the Tesla app instead.
Until we get actual V4 systems, I feel for the eGMP owners limited to 100KW.
For me, the TesSC network will be a secondary choice. I am still EVgo centric both for our LYRIQ and Volvo XC40 Recharge. It is great to have options though.
Yep, Supercharger access is nothing special for 800V EV owners at the moment but more charging options are always welcome.
@@SteveBirkett Agreed. 100KW > 0
@@SteveBirkettI wonder if Hyundai will make a hardware update for 2025 to improve 400v charging since NACS is planned to go native.
At a minimum it will get other cars using the Tesla locations and should free you the more capable CCS locations
I suspected these delays and hiccups would occur as soon as we crossed Summer Solstice. Over a week later, "Spring 2024" was redacted to read "coming soon" on the Tesla NACS page. Maybe it will happen before the month is out, but… forgive me if I don't hold my breath. The odd thing is that ANY EV can use the Magic Docks, so in reality the "software" is ready for practically all v3 Superchargers, but… Tesla has yet to grant access to anyone except Ford and Rivian.
not holding your breath when in the hands of GM is a wise move, I have found. Stay safe. Hopefully soon.
Thank you for the update. Good information here. Regards, H
I suppose it’s time to check our GM vehicles at least once per week to see if the update which contains the TSC update is there to be installed. Once we have officially gained access then we can place our orders for the adapter. My adapter order was canceled as well back when Musk fired his people. I’m patiently waiting though.
4 sure. Should be soon
Cadillac has said they will be “calling” Lyriq owners in December to get the attachment to charge at Tesla chargers
If the GM adapter release is anything like Ford's, GM BEV owners will have a long time to wait. Ordered our Tesla adapter from Ford in late February; still waiting. I will buy a third-party foreign adapter when those companies establish a $1,000,000 bond in the US to satisfy damage claims including loss of vehicle mfg warranty coverage. Who owns the patents? We are in for interesting times. 2 of our BEVs had charge ports damaged by public chargers WITHOUT adapters!
Eeks! Sounds rough.
Thank you for the update! Do you have any idea if the Honda Prologue will be brought "along with" the GM rollout given the shared Ultium platform?
Does not seem like it. The Honda announcement for NACS implies that access will be in 2025 for their 2024s plus their new EV model with native NACS.
Not that I know of
GM is gaining access to 15,000 Supercharger sites. Is this a typo, do they really mean 15,000 “sites” or do they actually mean 15,000 “units”? Does Tesla even have 15,000 Supercharger sites in the US? Here up and down the middle of the country, every state has just a couple or very few Supercharger sites, here in Oklahoma for example there are only 6 Supercharger sites. Sites and units are a whole different matter from each other.
Good catch!
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel I was wrong in my numbers here in Oklahoma. There are 7 Supercharger SITES in the state, all but 2 are in the northeast quarter of the state, with only one in the entire western half and panhandle. So one could say that there are 6 Superchargers in the western half of Oklahoma, but that would be misleading since all of those 6 UNITS are located at the ONE Tesla Supercharger SITE. So it’s important to make the distinction between sites and units. You do a very good job with your reporting and I really enjoy watching the progress. Thanks for adding Francis to your listings, but I notice they have not made any progress with the NEVI funding yet.
One benefit of the delay is that GM will have had time to dial in their charge curve to optimize using Superchargers.
I think this is wishful thinking. I can't imagine we're gong to see a big change in the charge curve. Not to worry. The GM charge curve is fine. In fact the number of kWh\unit time I get with my Tesla is about what people report getting with their Lyriqs.
@@doncooper2344 I believe the Lyriq curve has been updated once or twice since deliveries began, maybe even since the Supercharger announcement. Walter would be able to confirm.
The big issue with most CCS cars is the cables on a typical V3 SuC dispenser will not reach the cars charging receptical without the car parked sideways, or in the wrong stall. At stations where there are 20 dispensers CCS cars may get away with parking sideways, however, at smaller stations this type of parking will not be tolerated. Frankly, Tesla's handling of this program is rather frustrating to owners of other makes not knowing when they will be authorized to use the TSuC Network. Its a good thing that CCS charging stations are poping up on major driving routes.
Exactly. While Tesla is messing around the non Tesla charging situation is getting better. And Ionna hasn't even gotten started yet.
The GMC HUMMER EV specifically has the same charging port location as the Cybertruck, so other than needing to pull deep into the stall (like the Cybertruck), the HUMMER EV should have far fewer issues accessing the Superchargers than other non-Tesla EVs. The same is true of the Chevrolet Silverado EV, though the longer bed is likely to make the cord stretch even farther.
Yes, with our LYRIQ, I need use the front cams and pull dangerously close to the dispenser.
I too had an adapter on order, only to have it cancel. It has to be getting close.
That's Tesla's fault for not making the cables long enough.
Soon Tesla owners will have to deal with Bolt owners plugged into Superchargers charging to full. 😂 Wish Tesla would make those 15k SC open to all manufacturers like the magicdock stations.
Tesla is happy to quickly adjust charging prices. I’m sure if they find that Bolt EVs are camping on busy chargers for more than 30 mins, they’ll be delighted to implement a parking fee or something similar.
You would think that would make sense. There must be big money involved to get it opened for your company's cars, is my guess
I am optimistic that my Blazer EV RWD will average closer to 150kwph over 1the 10-80% charging at dcfc sties 200kwh and up
Not sure. I do think the GM crew has some work to do on their Ultium charging curves. Hopefully it will improve for us all as time goes on. Thx for watching.
Did you contact the dealer to see if you can reorder the adapter?
Yes, Walter, isn’t there a new part number for the GM approved adapter, although not yet available? We have a Chevy dealer nearby that has installed 2 of the GM Incharge DC dispensers. These are complete, have a power light lit, but blank screens 2 days ago. Digging into information behind this on the web, it appears that GM has a website going, which I’m thinking is still under construction. Things are definitely in progress on the GM front. Hopefully all of the holes will be filled and we’ll see some progress by the end of the year.
I had not heard of a new part number but perhaps. I'll look into it. Thx!
I am waiting to see. I understood since I ordered one at the $25 price, when they release the new one that $25 price will be honored. We'll see...
The Cadillac lyric was made for boring old farts!
like u?
well..........
Right? :-)
😶🍿...So much going on
I know, right? So exciting!
Unless you are just dirt broke desperate why would you EVER go back to work for a company that fired you?
Yeah, their ability to attract top talent was likely permanently damaged in that move
NO BOLT SHOULD USE A 350KW CHARGER...BIG ISSUES
Sometimes, you don't have a choice. There isn't always a slower DC charger available. And, no, it is not reasonable to expect Bolt drivers to sit for several hours on level 2 to avoid using a 350 kW charger.
I respectfully disagree. Any EV that needs a charge should be able to use high powered stalls. If there are lower powered ones avail, it is common courtesy to use those if your EV can not utilize the higher ones, but to say never I do not agree with.
Disagree, Bolts are not dcfc capable or long distance capable due to super slow dcfc, gm should upgrade to 120kwh onboard capabilities and subsidize it. The worst is a bolt on 350kwh charging at 12kwh trying to go 80% to 100% because of short range to make it to next charger.....annoying to say the least and I owned a bolt EUV, was great as long as you got back home to charge overnight but horrible dcfc
As a matter of fact, A Bolt at 50kW charges from 20% to 80% about as fast as a Mach-e or other similar big battery EV due to the 64kWh battery being approximately 30 % smaller.
Plus if you want to hate, hate on ID4 and ride share drivers camped out charging to 100 % !
Duh….Should have bought a Tesla! Hahaha
I did. Owned one for yrs. Traded in for LYRIQ. Way nicer. Thx 4 watching
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel I cid the same. Compared to the lyriq my MYLR was crude and harsh.